Recomplying a deregistered bike

**rok-the-boat** · 27th February 2008, 17:34

This is the reply I got from LTNZ. I didn't need a brake inspection, though I did get one in the end.
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Good afternoon Rupert

Thank you for your email dated 21 February 2008.

After consultation with the appropriate department they advise the following:

Within the Entry Certification - Vehicle Inspection Requirements Manual (VIRM) the specific reference is under 8-2-1, important note exceptions (a) Vehicles presented for re-registration that were manufactured before 1991 and previously registered in NZ before 1 January 1991.

As we are unaware of the date your vehicle was first registered in New Zealand this specific clause may describe your circumstances. For your vehicle to fall into this clause it is required to be first registered in New Zealand before 1991.

If it does apply to you, you are not required to obtain a brake inspection for your motorcycle as per 8-4-2 alternative method for motorcycle brake inspections.

If you require further clarification please contact your local Land Transport New Zealand Transport Service Delivery (TSD) agent/certifier.

Land Transport New Zealand TSD agents are:

Vehicle Testing New Zealand (VTNZ)
Vehicle Inspection New Zealand (VINZ)
On Road New Zealand
Automobile Association Technical (AA)
Kind Regards

Contact Response Team

**Wired1** · 14th March 2008, 20:14

I was in getting my Pajero Woffed the other day so while I was there I asked the guy about the lighting requirements for a bike, in particular I wanted to know whether I could use a polisport-type aftermarket enduro headlight, and wether or not I needed to add indicators. Upon consulting his LTSA bible he said the headlight had to have high and low beam but any would do, and as for indicators he found a table that listed exempt bikes and surprisingly my TT500 wasn't on it. When I got home I looked it up on the LTSA website and found the section on indicators and discovered that my TT250's are exempt, but not my TT500. It went on to list a TT550 as being exempt which I had never heard of.

So I wrote them an email pointing out that my TT250's were exempt and that my TT500 wasn't mentioned and that I had never heard of a TT550. I went on tos tell them that Yamaha only made the XT550 for about a year and a half and then relaunched it as a XT600 or TT600 (or an XT400) but never made a TT550 so where does my TT500 fit?

Surprisingly, two days later they emailed me the following:

"Good afternoon Simon
Thank you for your email dated 11 March 2008.
After consultation with the appropriate department, they advise the following:
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Please find attached a scan of the gazette exempting the TT500 from needing direction indicators. You will be able to present his vehicle for Warrent of Fitness (WoF) inspection.
Kind Regards
Contact Response Team "

Well bugger me.
I guess I'll have to convince the WOF guys but it's a small victory for common sense.

**El Dopa** · 25th March 2008, 20:34

If you have a de-registered bike that you want to get re-registered/woffed etc, you need to get a frame x-ray. Can someone confirm that is correct?

And presumably, this would involve stripping the bike down to the frame - you couldn't do it with the engine/forks/plastics in place. Is that correct?

**gil** · 25th March 2008, 22:17

hi, no you do not have to 'xray the frame'.
Depending on why it was de-registered, there are checks that need to be made to the chassis, and associated steering and suspension components, but these checks are carried out without great expense. (unless there are major issues with the chassis, ie breaks on welds etc).

Should you wish to know more, feel free to PM me, or phone me on 021 725717.

Gil
LTNZ Appointed Repair Certifier.

**El Dopa** · 26th March 2008, 19:32

Originally Posted by gil

hi, no you do not have to 'xray the frame'.
Depending on why it was de-registered, there are checks that need to be made to the chassis, and associated steering and suspension components, but these checks are carried out without great expense. (unless there are major issues with the chassis, ie breaks on welds etc).

Should you wish to know more, feel free to PM me, or phone me on 021 725717.

Gil
LTNZ Appointed Repair Certifier.

Well, thank you very much - I may give you a call soon depending on how things work out.

The bike I'm looking at crashed - this is why it was written off (by the insurer).

The seller has already indicated it will probably need new forks. I am presuming the steering head would also need checking?

Thanks again.

**Wired1** · 26th March 2008, 19:47

There are crashes and there are crashes and it doesn't take much of a crash to make repairs no longer viable, especially if there is a lot of body damage, so the bike could still be in good structural shape but have sustained damage rendering it too expensive to repair. All that aside, I think common sense would suggest you should get the frame checked for straightness and weld integrity.

**Squiggles** · 23rd April 2008, 17:02

This is probably the single most useful guide to the process that i have found on the net

Now, as my DR was manufactured in Feb 1985, its either not in the system, or it was never registered (I have police checked it, they couldnt find the vin in the system)

If never registered, i need the brake cert done.... Now to find a doc with all that info on it

**T bone** · 23rd April 2008, 18:49

I'm going through all this with my bike at the moment. Has been a bit of a learning experiance, but what I expected with ltsa. Hopefully I get it back tomorrow then off for compliance.....fingers crossed

**cloudsurfer** · 9th June 2009, 00:06

Hi, I'm thinking of buying a mid 70's motorcycle which needs to have recompliance. I don't think it's been on the road for a few years, if at all in New Zealand. It is standard but needs some tlc but I don't want to end up being unable to get it legalised for the road. If there is no paperwork for the bike, should I avoid it like the plague or carry on regardless?
"There are no such things as problems, only solutions" John Lennon
Cheers

**p.dath** · 9th June 2009, 00:19

Originally Posted by Wired1

I was in getting my Pajero Woffed the other day so while I was there I asked the guy about the lighting requirements for a bike, in particular I wanted to know whether I could use a polisport-type aftermarket enduro headlight, and wether or not I needed to add indicators. Upon consulting his LTSA bible he said the headlight had to have high and low beam but any would do, and as for indicators he found a table that listed exempt bikes and surprisingly my TT500 wasn't on it. When I got home I looked it up on the LTSA website and found the section on indicators and discovered that my TT250's are exempt, but not my TT500. It went on to list a TT550 as being exempt which I had never heard of.

So I wrote them an email pointing out that my TT250's were exempt and that my TT500 wasn't mentioned and that I had never heard of a TT550. I went on tos tell them that Yamaha only made the XT550 for about a year and a half and then relaunched it as a XT600 or TT600 (or an XT400) but never made a TT550 so where does my TT500 fit?

Surprisingly, two days later they emailed me the following:

"Good afternoon Simon
Thank you for your email dated 11 March 2008.
After consultation with the appropriate department, they advise the following:
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Please find attached a scan of the gazette exempting the TT500 from needing direction indicators. You will be able to present his vehicle for Warrent of Fitness (WoF) inspection.
Kind Regards
Contact Response Team "

Well bugger me.
I guess I'll have to convince the WOF guys but it's a small victory for common sense.

That's from 1977!

**trevsnz** · 13th June 2009, 15:30

does any one know what is meant by 'the vehicle may
be inspected according to current in-service procedures.'

what is Current in-service Procedures?

I have a 1980 Yamaha sr250 that was rego here in NZ from 1980 to 1997 then put on hold till Dec 2003. So basicly its now de-rego. It still have the plates plus a print out (same thing use to print the registratiion sticker) of the vehicle details and owners Name and Address. All I need now is the police report but now just need to know what its meant by Current in service Procedures

**Voltaire** · 13th June 2009, 15:38

Originally Posted by El Dopa

If you have a de-registered bike that you want to get re-registered/woffed etc, you need to get a frame x-ray. Can someone confirm that is correct?

And presumably, this would involve stripping the bike down to the frame - you couldn't do it with the engine/forks/plastics in place. Is that correct?

I took a BMW frame into F1 in hamilton to check alignment and straighten if reqd and their machine has 1500 bikes in its program and does a print out.
Print out??? I asked, for re-vinning bikes that have been de registered by insurance companies for crash damage.
so on the face of it looks like de reg crashed bikes can go back on road.
Could be of interest.
Base cost is around $200.00 for the machine and hourly rate after that.
Obviously depends on type of bike.

**Max Preload** · 13th June 2009, 15:50

Originally Posted by trevsnz

what is Current in-service Procedures?

Warrant of Fitness based on the VIRM (vehicle inspection requirements manual).

**Ixion** · 13th June 2009, 15:51

Originally Posted by trevsnz

does any one know what is meant by 'the vehicle may
be inspected according to current in-service procedures.'

what is Current in-service Procedures?

I have a 1980 Yamaha sr250 that was rego here in NZ from 1980 to 1997 then put on hold till Dec 2003. So basicly its now de-rego. It still have the plates plus a print out (same thing use to print the registratiion sticker) of the vehicle details and owners Name and Address. All I need now is the police report but now just need to know what its meant by Current in service Procedures

"current in service procedures" means, like a WoF. Your vehicle is pre 1991. So the VIN inspection is basically just a (fairly strict) warrant of fitness inspection. Post 1991, it's tougher and they will partially dismantle the vehicle. You also have to provide a lot more evidence that everything complies with various standards. Pre 1991 is much simpler. You don't need a police report if you are either the last registered owner or have a paper trail (eg receipts) from him. Also you don't need a brake certifcation, bear that in mind because some palces tell you you need one regardless of year.

**MrZxp** · 17th June 2009, 20:57

Originally Posted by cloudsurfer

If there is no paperwork for the bike, should I avoid it like the plague or carry on regardless?

I would suggest you contact your local police station and uplift the form you need to fill in detailing the bike and it's frame and engine numbers. When i had to do mine they (the police) requested that I deliver the machine to them so they could verify the frame and engine numbers I had written on the form... fortunately the bike was 99 percent complete at the time and so this was not a problem... when I think about it now, all that time and money I'd put into the bike could have been for naught if it had been deemed to have been stolen at some stage - I would have had to surrender it there and then, and been majorally out of pocket.

Get the cops to check it out BEFORE you spend any money on it.

Only when you get the all clear from them would I continue...