Scott Watson links

[NDORFN]

Absolutely - but that simply means policemen are human and capable of mistakes. The pressures on the police to solve high profile cases is immense and officers can come to believe they have identified the offender. Human nature then resists suggestions that they might be mistaken, particularly if the suspect fits the theory of the case.

Having said that, the criminal investigation system isn't one man and his dog doing all of the work. Many officers are involved with this type of case and they have to generally agree on the strength of the evidence they have gathered. Ron Pope for example was simply the lead detective in the Watson presecution.

As well as the police, the Crown solicitor's office of lawyers is involved and they have to be equally convinced of the strength of the case.

So there is a whole cohort of people involved in weighing whether a suspect should be prosecuted, long before it gets to trial.

At trial the defendant has his lawyer and the chance to have his say. He doesn't have to give evidence but frankly you have to wonder why he doesn't in many of these cases. For example, David Bain. He blames his lawyer but if the guy was as innocent as driven snow, that was his chance to get up and say so. He didn't.

Pitty they act like they're superior.

[Laxi]

Haha!

David Tamihere (not his brother John).

some would debate that and say both

[merv]

Shame there are so many liars in the world. If everyone told the truth then there would be no need for jury trials. I just wish Watson would show the cops where he dumped the bodies.

[maxlev]

WATSON - Don't know of any boaties who bleach the entire inside of their boats out... and that is from a boaties viewpoint.

the police expert said between 30% & 50% was cleaned.
This was increased to "all" by those who wanted to show Scott as guilty.
No mention of bleach being used anywhere.

[maxlev]

.Scott watson is another dodgy conviction didnt a off duty cop see the mystery boat whilst out fishing??

Yes, a policeman from New Plymouth, on holiday.
I watched him say what he saw in court, on tv.
He had his head down and spoke quietly, perhaps he knew what he was saying would hinder any future promotion in the force.
Good on him for being honest tho.

[Skyryder]

Shame there are so many liars in the world. If everyone told the truth then there would be no need for jury trials. I just wish Watson would show the cops where he dumped the bodies.

Has it ever occured to you that he can't because he did not kill them.



Skyryder

[JimO]

Has it ever occured to you that he did not kill them.



Skyryder

same goes for david bain

[bane]

How about this summary:

'Watson is as guilty as Bain is innocent'.

[P38]

I also think Scott Watson while being a bloody dodgy bastard in innocent of the crime he has been convicted for.

The big question that has never been asked or proved is

Has a murder been committed?

There are no bodies and in deed no other evidence to support both people have been murdered.

Yes two people are missing under suspicious circumstances.

Maybe even murdered.

Based on all the evidence presented that I have heard and read it has never been proved "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" that a murder has been committed let alone that it was committed By Scott Watson.

If I was on the jury I would vote "Not Guilty" because of this.

[Skyryder]

I also think Scott Watson while being a bloody dodgy bastard in innocent of the crime he has been convicted for.

The big question that has never been asked or proved is

Has a murder been committed?

There are no bodies and in deed no other evidence to support both people have been murdered.

Yes two people are missing under suspicious circumstances.

Maybe even murdered.

Based on all the evidence presented that I have heard and read it has never been proved "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" that a murder has been committed let alone that it was committed By Scott Watson.

If I was on the jury I would vote "Not Guilty" because of this.

This is one of the big ifs.
There is no evidence of murder other than two people are missing. But this in no way offers an opinion than murder has not been committed.

I think there is a greater probability that there has been a murder than there has not. There has been no evidence that Smart of Hope planned to elope so on this basis alone there is a reasonable assumption that they both have been murdered.


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sounds-mur...ectid=10478198


Skyryder

[Maha]

Has it ever occured to you that he can't because he did not kill them.



Skyryder

Watson quickly became the prime suspect, even though police were searching for a ketch that water-taxi driver Guy Wallace said he dropped the pair off at with a "mystery man".
The inquiry focus soon switched to Watson when he was mentioned as a potential suspect.



Maybe you can help me Skyryder....
I was talking to some people today about the Bain thing, and the Thomas thing, they mentioned Watson. They said the police were very interested in him over the Hope/Smart case because he (Watson) was involved with a similar incident on Great Barrier Island some time prior to Ben and Olivia going missing, maybe a couple of years prior?
I had not heard about this until today, do you know anything about it?

[Skyryder]

Watson quickly became the prime suspect, even though police were searching for a ketch that water-taxi driver Guy Wallace said he dropped the pair off at with a "mystery man".
The inquiry focus soon switched to Watson when he was mentioned as a potential suspect.



Maybe you can help me Skyryder....
I was talking to some people today about the Bain thing, and the Thomas thing, they mentioned Watson. They said the police were very interested in him over the Hope/Smart case because he (Watson) was involved with a similar incident on Great Barrier Island some time prior to Ben and Olivia going missing, maybe a couple of years prior?
I had not heard about this until today, do you know anything about it?

This??

Monday, 13 September 1999

POLICE INVESTIGATE WATSON LINKS WITH GREAT BARRIER

Auckland police have been investigating possible links between Scott Watson and the mysterious disappearance of a woman on Great Barrier Island. 48-year-old American Nancy Frey went missing from her island home two years ago this month - her body was never found. Police won't confirm they have spoken with the detectives who investigated the murders of Ben Smart and Olivia Hope but admit they have checked out where the man convicted of their killings was at the time. Inspector Dennis Woods says Watson was in Whangarei when Nancy Frey went missing, but the yachtie is likely to have stopped at the nearby island in the following days. Inspector Woods says there will be no further attempts to link Watson to Nancy Frey's disappearance.


I have added a link for the reviews of TRIAL BY TRICKERY. For those diehards on this I draw your attention to the second review by Chris Gallavin, and Keith Hunters Commentary of this review. Hunter raises further quiries in October 3.

http://www.hunterproductions.co.nz/bookreviews.htm

Skyryder

[candor]

The below quote from another site concerns me. This is because I long past warned Watsons team about things I know about the deceased Judge Heron. Very bad things. They never followed up. But the things I know more interestingly now pertained to his conduct (unbecoming a Judge) and his relationship with Kristy McDonald - who did traveling courts with Heron in the late 80s. I have written to the Solicitor General already raising concerns about potential future honors as my alarm was raised by her ascent up the career ladder - they have the letter dated 3 years ago, which speaks of her unusual relationship with Judge Heron - one that I would say compromises her as a fit person for dealing with the Watson case today.

I approached the winebox reporter Jenny McManus about this Heron / McDonald stuff mid 90's. She did an opinion article just saying - what if there were corruption in our judiciary, and got hammered. I said it'll keep.

I have taped evidence from the 1980s from people McDonald spoke to at the Chateau Marlborough, but should not elaborate except by again speaking to the Solicitor General about Ms McDonald - I CAN NOT BELIEVE that she has been given the Watson case, knowing what I know about her and Heron. And knowing that I shared it at high levels due to concerns over her years ago. The NZ Justice system is absolutely rigged - Judge Herons trials are none of them "safe" and high levels in the Justice system confirmed awareness of this to me 1990s. He put 7 year suppressions on transcripts of cases he'd perverted to avoid scrutiny but thats only a start. He went from being the systems dirty secret to Watsons nightmare. Kristy surely knows this - but Heron having taken her innocence and hopefully ability to sleep at night could now, years on, influence her either way from his putrid grave.

Perhaps she'll seek to put right wrongs of Heron that she was intimately and ? ambitiously caught up in. Or else true to lawyer form she may continue obeying the sick loyalty code and do so under yoke of belief the system must never be seen to have erred. Those with things to hide can be leveraged, its worth considering.

Kristy McDonaldQC has been appointed to enquire into Scott Watson's petition to the Governor General. This has to be cynism at its very best.

Keith says, 'Scott Watson's accusations are against the Deputy Commissioner of Police, the three Crown Prosecutors and the late trial judge. The judgment of the Court of Appeal is also being attacked where a blatantly untrue statement falsely legitimises the whole trial as a fair one, provoking questions as to that Court's compettence and/or integrity.' He goes on to say there are many Queen's Counsel appropriately qualified for this appointment but Ms McDonald seems not to be one of them. It seems her principal employer is the Crown, particularly as prosecutor for the Crown Law Office, and as counsel for the police. She began her career as a prosecutor, was appointed Crown Counsel at the Crown Law Office and is a Crown Prosecutor of long standing. Appointments as prosecutor are made by the Crown Law Office through the Deputy Solicitor General (Criminal).

Ms McDonald clearly cannot adjudicate on the conduct of her employer, her colleagues or her competitors.

[dangerous]

Scott Watson is just where he deserves to be..........ive met him and hes a freak...............end of story.

That might be, but did he do it? who knows it was a stich up from start to finish.
Trudy and Tom Watson are good friends Guzzi riders, and Tom being Scotts bother would know beter than anyone.
Scot was a prick, a knowen shit head (lived near my dad) but what evidnce that was given is a crock a shit.