Fantastic debate with Charles Lamb on National Radio.

**FastBikeGear** · 18th November 2009, 15:39

Someone knight Charles Lamb he just did a fantatic interview/debate on National Radio. He cam outrigh and said that the ACC is just plain lying. Backed it up nicely with some simple numbers and logic.

He rubbished the fully funded model.

He rubbished Nick Smiths numbers

He rubbished the sneaky move away from no-fault liability

He pointed out that we make up less than .3 of a % of ACC levies and asked why the bother with such a small group unless this was part of a larger strategy.

**wingrider** · 18th November 2009, 15:55

Originally Posted by Wobblyas

Someone knight Charles Lamb he just did a fantatic interview/debate on National Radio. He cam outrigh and said that the ACC is just plain lying. Backed it up nicely with some simple numbers and logic.

He rubbished the fully funded model.

He rubbished Nick Smiths numbers

He rubbished the sneaky move away from no-fault liability

He pointed out that we make up less than .3 of a % of ACC levies and asked why the bother with such a small group unless this was part of a larger strategy.

is there a linky??

**madmal64** · 18th November 2009, 16:01

Originally Posted by wingrider

is there a linky??

Will be soon if its just finished. Once its up online as a podcast I will post a link. That is if someone doesnt do it before I get back infront of my computer

**Kennif** · 18th November 2009, 16:27

Originally Posted by Wobblyas

Someone knight Charles Lamb he just did a fantatic interview/debate on National Radio. He cam outrigh and said that the ACC is just plain lying. Backed it up nicely with some simple numbers and logic. ... He pointed out that we make up less than .3 of a % of ACC levies and asked why the bother with such a small group unless this was part of a larger strategy.

That is 0.03% of total levies. Also that ACC has $11 Billion in reserves.

**twotyred** · 18th November 2009, 17:00

here ya go then, it was a great one alright and nice to have the panelist on side as well.

http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/aft/aft...part_1-048.mp3

The relevant discussion for us starts at 17:20 mins in and ends at about 28:00 mins

**martybabe** · 18th November 2009, 17:17

Sweet, thanks for that.

**RavenR44** · 18th November 2009, 17:54

Originally Posted by twotyred

here ya go then, it was a great one alright and nice to have the panelist on side as well.

http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/aft/aft...part_1-048.mp3

The relevant discussion for us starts at 17:20 mins in and ends at about 28:00 mins

Dang, that was good to listen to.

Thanks and have a handful of bling from me.

Cheers,
Andy.

**Naki Rat** · 18th November 2009, 18:00

Listened to it earlier. Yet again the government's basis for this is torn to shreds.

Charles would be a great input to a '60 minutes' or similar expose' of this debacle.

**jam mad** · 18th November 2009, 21:10

you need to listen to this for some excellent information on the current ACC crisis. the programme is 'the panel, with jim mora' and the man interviewed is lincoln university's professor charles lamb. he's not even a biker and he crushes any arguments in favour of the motorcycling ACC levy fiasco.

arm yourselves with information, so next time someone looks over their beer at you and says "yeah, but you all are a drain on the ACC" or something similar.. you'll be able to calmly put them right and get them on our side.

here's the link:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/natio...e_panel_part_1

start listening 17:20secs in.

in a nutshell:

- the no. of motorcyclists treated vs total no. of motorcyclists is very low.

- levies are already disproportionately high for motorcylists

- last year ACC took $4.2bn levies, but only $12.5m from bikers; which is 0.3% from motorcyclists ! even a huge rise to motorcylists would make no difference to ACC's revenues.

- ACC has $11bn cash reserves, it is enormously cash rich

- we have already lost the basis of a compensation scheme to an insurance scheme

- Nick Smith claimed yesterday every motorcyclist owes $3800 per bike. Multiplied by 100,000 you get $380,000,000 which is simply a bare-faced lie!!!!

**StoneY** · 18th November 2009, 21:17

Originally Posted by jam mad

you need to listen to this for some excellent information on the current ACC crisis. the programme is 'the panel, with jim mora' and the man interviewed is lincoln university's professor charles lamb. he's not even a biker and he crushes any arguments in favour of the motorcycling ACC levy fiasco.

arm yourselves with information, so next time someone looks over their beer at you and says "yeah, but you all are a drain on the ACC" or something similar.. you'll be able to calmly put them right and get them on our side.

here's the link:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/natio...e_panel_part_1

start listening 17:20secs in.

in a nutshell:

- the no. of motorcyclists treated vs total no. of motorcyclists is very low.

- levies are already disproportionately high for motorcylists

- last year ACC took $4.2bn levies, but only $12.5m from bikers; which is 0.3% from motorcyclists ! even a huge rise to motorcylists would make no difference to ACC's revenues.

- ACC has $11bn cash reserves, it is enormously cash rich

- we have already lost the basis of a compensation scheme to an insurance scheme

- Nick Smith claimed yesterday every motorcyclist owes $3800 per bike. Multiplied by 100,000 you get $380,000,000 which is simply a bare-faced lie!!!!

He was on stage yesterday with us man at parliament

The guy he spoke with (and notably won the debate YAY!) didn't realize the Prof was 3 feet from me awaiting the right time for the biggest crowd
He rocked at Parliament, journo's were frantically writing down the figures he said, and he said, "ACC are lying" on Parliaments steps!

While he dont ride like we do, hes a biker at heart, no shit!

**Ixion** · 18th November 2009, 23:09

Originally Posted by jam mad

..lincoln university's professor charles lamb. he's not even a biker

...

Originally Posted by StoneY

..

While he dont ride like we do, hes a biker at heart, no shit!

He owns five motorcycles and four vintage mopeds.

**StoneY** · 18th November 2009, 23:14

Originally Posted by Ixion

He owns five motorcycles and four vintage mopeds.

Les , I stand corrected

Prof Lamb said to me on the stage itself, quote verbatim
"Brent, I own a umber of classic scooters, and have ridden motorbikes all my life"

Forgive me for missing his full pedigree, I stated my case as understood in the wonderful gentelmans defense.

Wow 5 motorbikes AND a collection of scooters

Professor Lam ROX!!!!!!!

**Ixion** · 19th November 2009, 00:06

He said motorcycles, but they might be scooters. I would include a scooter as a motorcycle, ceertainly the "non moped" ones.

**Brian d marge** · 19th November 2009, 01:33

Chris trotter ,, Ive quoted him a bit in my dissertation on the new right

He is ...um on our side ,,,to put it mildly

I was stuffing up my computer ,,,so missed it

listening now !

Stephen

**Brian d marge** · 19th November 2009, 03:36

There is one thing though , Yes I agree with what they said , but the assumption of they are making ACC fully funded because they are going to privatize it ,,,yes while it looks and we are pretty sure , it could be that they have been told to , by either investor pressure , or the imf

you cant make statements like that ...we dont actually know

Dont know ,,

either way ,,, good Panel

Stephen