A question to IT KBers, part II

[xwhatsit]

And, of course, you can use vi with Visual Studio. Just write your code using vi, and compile with the command line compiler (eg csc.exe for C#). You did know that you don't have to use the IDE didn't you. csc.exe can also use responsefiles (sort of a poor mans makefile), to automate the process.

(NB the slow compile problem is a recognised bugette. There's a bunch of tips to overcome it on the web. Simplest way is to open two VS sessions. One to work on your forms and code, the other WHICH HAS NO FORMS OR ANYTHING OPEN, is just used to compile)

I do write my C# code in vi actually -- at home, under Linux, and compile using Mono's gmcs. It does it in a blink of an eye -- try compiling the same thing at uni with csc.exe, and it's a factor of 100x slower.

I love vi (vim, actually) and GNU screen and all of that, but I expect once I start out working on horrible convoluted bloated stuff in RL with a decade-old codebase an IDE might be sort of necessary. Or maybe not -- I'm doing CS, not SE

[jim.cox]

AND ruby looks pretty cool :)

Ruby IS cool :)

[jrandom]

Or maybe not -- I'm doing CS, not SE

Do you think that will change the sort of work you'll end up doing?

Personally, I think that the VS 2005 and 2008 IDEs are really nice to work in.

Polished, even.

Eminently usable.

[xwhatsit]

Do you think that will change the sort of work you'll end up doing?

Well, if I wanted to be a day-in day-out code-monkey, I would've done SE. I'm hoping (naïvely, most likely) that doing CS would broaden my options a little. At least that's how it was sold to me

Personally, I think that the VS 2005 and 2008 IDEs are really nice to work in.

Polished, even.

Eminently usable.

It is! Very nice for a GUI IDE.

But if I want to do a :%s/foo/bar/gc I have to reach all the way over to the desk in the corner and pull out that dusty old mouse I haven't used since Word 97...

[yod]

Do you think that will change the sort of work you'll end up doing?

Personally, I think that the VS 2005 and 2008 IDEs are really nice to work in.

Polished, even.

Eminently usable.

suck up the odd resource tho

[jrandom]

Well, if I wanted to be a day-in day-out code-monkey, I would've done SE. I'm hoping (naïvely, most likely) that doing CS would broaden my options a little. At least that's how it was sold to me

Oh dear.

...

Ten years from now, you will stare dully into the glow of a monitor filled with crap, memories of days when you rushed home to work on personal projects fading into the dim past, your mind collapsing under the dead weight of bug tracking reports, revision control server malfunctions, and endless project management meetings, longing only for the clock to tick past 5pm and send you to back to your mortgaged sliver of suburbia and the blessed solace of a bottle of cheap bourbon.

Then, and only then, will you realise that you really wanted to be a lumberjack.

[avgas]

Oh dear.

...

Ten years from now, you will stare dully into the glow of a monitor filled with crap, memories of days when you rushed home to work on personal projects fading into the dim past, your mind collapsing under the dead weight of bug tracking reports, revision control server malfunctions, and endless project management meetings, longing only for the clock to tick past 5pm and send you to back to your mortgaged sliver of suburbia and the blessed solace of a bottle of cheap bourbon.

Then, and only then, will you realise that you really wanted to be a lumberjack.

Holy shit its like you can see me right now.
It doesnt help the fact that i recently saw Wanted and now i think that i should be some kind exciting person like an assassin.
My new theme song is "Everyday is exactly the same" - NIN

[avgas]

Anyone got a pascal builder (you know from the IIC Macs of the 90's) or some sort of emulator that runs in XP,Vista......or an xbox.
I have a cool little game i made like a decade ago that i feel needs compiling.

[yod]

Oh dear.

...

Ten years from now, you will stare dully into the glow of a monitor filled with crap, memories of days when you rushed home to work on personal projects fading into the dim past, your mind collapsing under the dead weight of bug tracking reports, revision control server malfunctions, and endless project management meetings, longing only for the clock to tick past 5pm and send you to back to your mortgaged sliver of suburbia and the blessed solace of a bottle of cheap bourbon.

Then, and only then, will you realise that you really wanted to be a lumberjack.

got it in one

'cep the bourbon aint cheap

[jrandom]

'cep the bourbon aint cheap

Mine is.

I never saw the point of paying particularly good money for bourbon. No matter how they fiddle around with it, it's still just bourbon.

[yod]

Mine is.

I never saw the point of paying particularly good money for bourbon. No matter how they fiddle around with it, it's still just bourbon.

BLASPHEMY!!

[Street Gerbil]

Oh dear.

...

Ten years from now, you will stare dully into the glow of a monitor filled with crap, memories of days when you rushed home to work on personal projects fading into the dim past, your mind collapsing under the dead weight of bug tracking reports, revision control server malfunctions, and endless project management meetings, longing only for the clock to tick past 5pm and send you to back to your mortgaged sliver of suburbia and the blessed solace of a bottle of cheap bourbon.

Then, and only then, will you realise that you really wanted to be a lumberjack.

That's funny. That's exactly where I used to find myself, except that it is whiskey rather than bourbon and fishing charter operator rather than lumberjack...
Of course nothing revitalizes better than realization that there are interviews to be aced, and you are not certain of the order of execution of constructors in multiple inheritance, and cannot code a permutations function on a whiteboard within allotted time.

[Hawkeye]

OK. Here's my 2c worth.

Remember that language that would be dead and buried by the 80's. COBOL.

Well it is still around. There are so many legacy systems out there that rely on said code that the chances of it disappearing is extremely small due to the cost involved to redevelop.

Now everyone wants to code in all of the sexy bleeding edge languages so no one is training in the older languages. The ones that do have the skill set are getting older. All of the COBOL coder's in the place I work are in their mid to late 40's or older.

It is therefore opening up a huge market for the 'younger' developers to command extreme sums of money. Just look at what the market was like for the Y2K projects. Legacy systems had to be maintained and COBOL developers were paid very well because of it.
With the increasing age of the people with that skill set, now is the time to strike. Throw in some CICS and the odd bit of DB2 and you can live very comfortably.

You know I'm right. - Would I lie to you!

[imdying]

You know I'm right. - Would I lie to you!

You would think so, but the reality is, business are moving to enterprise level frameworks like there's no tomorrow.

[jrandom]

enterprise level frameworks

Buzzword alert! Motherfucker's obviously been possessed by a Pointy-Haired Marketing Imp. Exorcism kit, stat!