New MNZ 2007 F3 rules

[F5 Dave]

Yes correct but what did the 250 guys do to get over half the rules devoted to them? . . .

know how that feels. Quite some while back they decided to lump F4 & F5 (buckets) fuel regs in with 250 Proddie.

Don't know who decided on this or who they consulted.

The upshot was all the bikes designed to work on Av would no longer be legal as the rule was pump gas 96 with no additives. Sheesh! My poor 2 stroke would have seized without oil.

Fortunately it was changed, but held on for a couple of years. But then it went open -run ELF or whatever. Make up your minds, but do it sensibly please!

Who proof-reads this drivel?

[Maido]

3 things

1, has their ever been a machine check in F3??

2, have you contacted MNZ on this or just going to talk about it in a forum?

3, have a nice day

[F5 Dave]

I take exception to point 3

[James Deuce]

You always were exceptional Dave.

[svs]

Did I read correctly that Vic club won't allow Streetstock 150's in with F3 this Winter series. Yet the rule book says they are allowed.
Appx B, 1-5 page 173

What are the thoughts behind this Phil?

Earlier it was mentioned Vic club F3 may use a qualifying cut off time to keep fields smaller. (and if you don't make the time for inclusion to F3, your out. No running within Clubmans for the F3 spill over). is that still going ahead?

Alex / Racey

Yep. The changes are covered by supplemental regulations. They are currently with MNZ for approval.

Too many scary moments with huge difference in speed in F3 last year, along with large grids, means that we have to try and keep similar speeds together. Remeber that Streetstock is aimed at younger/first year/entry level/junior riders.

[MOTOXXX]

Yep. The changes are covered by supplemental regulations. They are currently with MNZ for approval.

Too many scary moments with huge difference in speed in F3 last year, along with large grids, means that we have to try and keep similar speeds together. Remeber that Streetstock is aimed at younger/first year/entry level/junior riders.

its a fair call. there are some very fast 650s in f3.

i only used it to get more track time

[Paul B]

rules like this are no longer changed at conferences like in the past, the comiisioner changes them with the boards approval normally after consultation with relivant parties, if you have problems with these rules contact the road race comissioner,

conference is 5-6 may, in wellington, and their is a raod race meeting their as well

It's a waste of time - he doesn't reply (not to me or anyone I know that is)

[FROSTY:Me]

now wouldnt that be interesting --IF all clubs actually stuck to the MNZ rulebook and applied the 115% rule to every meeting in every class
For those that dont know thereis a rule saying that if you are more than 15% slower than the fastest qualifier in your class you can be excluded

[Shaun]

now wouldnt that be interesting --IF all clubs actually stuck to the MNZ rulebook and applied the 115% rule to every meeting in every class
For those that dont know thereis a rule saying that if you are more than 15% slower than the fastest qualifier in your class you can be excluded

What where is that rule number mate

[cowpoos]

What where is that rule number mate

its there somewhere...but I think it reffers to national events.....I could be wrong though...

[cowpoos]

its there somewhere...but I think it reffers to national events.....I could be wrong though...

Looking in the rule book and couldn't find it....hmm

[ArcherWC]

now wouldnt that be interesting --IF all clubs actually stuck to the MNZ rulebook and applied the 115% rule to every meeting in every class
For those that dont know thereis a rule saying that if you are more than 15% slower than the fastest qualifier in your class you can be excluded

They apply this rule to National MX events

[Ivan]

Did I read correctly that Vic club won't allow Streetstock 150's in with F3 this Winter series. Yet the rule book says they are allowed.
Appx B, 1-5 page 173

What are the thoughts behind this Phil?

Earlier it was mentioned Vic club F3 may use a qualifying cut off time to keep fields smaller. (and if you don't make the time for inclusion to F3, your out. No running within Clubmans for the F3 spill over). is that still going ahead?

Alex / Racey

You did read correctly

[Ivan]

know how that feels. Quite some while back they decided to lump F4 & F5 (buckets) fuel regs in with 250 Proddie.

Don't know who decided on this or who they consulted.

The upshot was all the bikes designed to work on Av would no longer be legal as the rule was pump gas 96 with no additives. Sheesh! My poor 2 stroke would have seized without oil.

Fortunately it was changed, but held on for a couple of years. But then it went open -run ELF or whatever. Make up your minds, but do it sensibly please!

Who proof-reads this drivel?

And guys like us running aircooleds cant use Methanol to keep our engines cool.

And I like the smell of burning alcohol.

[steveyb]

You did read correctly

Yes, as SVS indicates, only the very fastest of the 150 riders would be able to compete in Superbike Lite. Putting these bikes together makes some very large speed differences which is dangerous.

It is also good management, and a safety issue to have a qualifying standard if the differences between first and last are too great. VMCC must act if they perceive that safety is at risk.

This could mean riders being excluded from the races. But remember that this is club racing and that VMCC will do anything that is possible for those riders to ride in another class or race. This could mean clubman, or not.

Perhaps we can look at that from a positive viewpoint. Is it a good thing that we have so many people turing up that we must have qualifying? Overseas this is normal. I think it is a good thing. It also provides those riders who do not qualify a goal to achieve for next time, rather than simply riding around as if it were a glorified trackday.

Qualifying most certainly can be applied at nationals, but we tend to have so few entries that riders are included regardless. This was clearly the case in Superbike at Manfeild this year where riders were lapped after 4-5 laps of a 20-odd lap race. Tell me if this is a good thing, or that simply filling the grid is more appropriate.