Screw peaceful non-disruptive protest: Let's Cause Mayhem!

**idleidolidyll** · 13th November 2009, 15:27

Yes, I'm prepared to give peace a chance and I'll watch the news and listen to the radio plus read what the hard workers from BRONZ, Ulysseus etc have to say here about progress after the Bikoi. The Bikoi is next week and I reckon a fair period of grace for news of solid progress is about one week. We could even start with riders going to the Burt Munroe rally (like me)

I reckon we should start preparing for maximum disruption within the law right now.
I really don't believe the politicians will play ball bar a small discount off the 300% rise.

So sign up here, post your willingness to participate in legal disruption and we can be ready when it is needed.

I reckon a txt style flash mob would work best; that way the law can't prepare themselves for it. If you want to register in any region as a rider ready to take real action in a disruptive manner, send me a pm and I'll start organising things.

Also needed will be volunteers in areas other than mine. Given the size of Auckland, I'll do the lower half only so we'll need a volunteer to help organise Nth Auck as well as from all other areas of NZ.

Constructive comments and suggestions on the best way to surprise, organise, grab media attention are welcome.

Any off topic or stupid posts using personal attacks will be reported immediately to the mods for action. This is about the next stage if non disruptive action does not make headway not about BRONZ, Ulysseus or any individual so don't post personal attacks.

**Maha** · 13th November 2009, 15:33

From what you said ealier in another thread...

'' I will happily help organise the 'spontaneous' flash mobs riding at say 70kph and blocking roads just like all those tin tops the cops never do anything about; only there will be way more of us''.

I really hope you do, god knows you have the gob for it, put it to good use and maybe someone will listen.

**Trudes** · 13th November 2009, 15:35

So this is for about a week after the 17th if nothing comes of the Bikoi?
If so then, yeah, I'm in, providing I'm not at work and it won't endanger my life, my clean licence or my clean criminal record!

**Ixion** · 13th November 2009, 15:35

The problem with this is that the response from the Nickster is unlikely to be a clear cut "Get fucked, the levies stay" , or "You're absolutely so right, I'm cancelling the increases and heading down to buy a GN250 for myself".

What we'll get is a waffely , evasive , "trust us ", sort of reply. And he doesn't need to release the figures until February.

And he has a very legitimate excuse to delay because of the 2014 to 2019 extension to the tail. So he can promise "Yes, I feel your pain. IF those Labour pricks will agree to the wonderful bill we have before parliament, the huge savings it will make should make it possible to make you happy" (fingers crossed behind back)

And if we get radical in the meantime that gives him an excuse to back out "We were prepared to listen to the bikers, and we did undertake to reduce the hikes, providing Labour did as we told them. But after this latest outrage all right thinking people blah blah"

So making the call of when to switch from rhetoric to physical is not a straight forward matter

**idleidolidyll** · 13th November 2009, 15:37

that's the point, unless they see we are prepared to be disruptive, i don't believe they will really give us respect and the media will forget about us

we will have to make them talk turkey

**Laxi** · 13th November 2009, 15:40

I'm for doing laps of MPs houses starting at say 11 and go until 5, louder the pipes the better

**Trudes** · 13th November 2009, 15:40

Originally Posted by Maha

Yip thats what the man says in the first paragraph, good on III for finally stepping up.

Just clarifying he doesn't mean the 18th, and nowhere does he say I won't be arrested.

**idleidolidyll** · 13th November 2009, 16:12

Originally Posted by Maha

From what you said ealier in another thread...

'' I will happily help organise the 'spontaneous' flash mobs riding at say 70kph and blocking roads just like all those tin tops the cops never do anything about; only there will be way more of us''.

I really hope you do, god knows you have the gob for it, put it to good use and maybe someone will listen.

Maha; you've met me. You must know I'm not afraid to speak my mind in public.
I stood up several times at the BRONZ meeting and succesfully got one of the softer motions altered and also at the Manukau meeting when I asked Goff if Labour would sweep the goddam roads etc.

BRONZ and Ulysseus only represent me as far as we agree, I'm not a member of any club. So given they DON'T represent me or other like minded riders who don't think peaceful non disruptive protest will get us anywhere; this is my way of organising what I belive (and obviously others believe) will get their attention.

If you're not at least PREPARED to play hardball, the softball approach is likely to fail.

**bogan** · 13th November 2009, 16:18

but isnt the ultimate agenda to have fewer bikes on the road, if we piss everyone off, how is that going to help? Illegal acitivties get bikes taken off us.... look at the boy racers in christchurch, they are pissing everyone off, government knows nobody supports them so passes anti-boyracer laws, and now thier cars can be crushed.

How would bikers being disruptive be any different?

serious question btw, I'm open to any suggestions bout how we can oppose this law, but I dont see how this idea can work.

**SARGE** · 13th November 2009, 16:24

Originally Posted by bogan

but isnt the ultimate agenda to have fewer bikes on the road, if we piss everyone off, how is that going to help? Illegal acitivties get bikes taken off us.... look at the boy racers in christchurch, they are pissing everyone off, government knows nobody supports them so passes anti-boyracer laws, and now thier cars can be crushed.

How would bikers being disruptive be any different?

serious question btw, I'm open to any suggestions bout how we can oppose this law, but I dont see how this idea can work.

i prefer the term Winning Hearts and Minds

**bogan** · 13th November 2009, 16:26

Originally Posted by SARGE

i prefer the term Winning Hearts and Minds

i thought you preferd to kick ass and take names, (note, taking names optional), isnt that the KB militia way?

**SARGE** · 13th November 2009, 16:30

Originally Posted by bogan

i thought you preferd to kick ass and take names, (note, taking names optional), isnt that the KB militia way?

"winning Hearts and Minds "

didnt you get the memo.???

said the term Runner has now been changed to Urban/Rural Gymkhana also

**StoneY** · 13th November 2009, 16:40

Originally Posted by Laxi

I'm for doing laps of MPs houses starting at say 11 and go until 5, louder the pipes the better

My very LOUD GSXR1100 is in for these.
I can be disruptive, and I truly appreciate the schedule you have suggested

Yes to 1 week after the BIKEOI, I will be available - and willing to do Laps on National MPs houses

**Stormer** · 13th November 2009, 16:48

The original "Winning of Hearts and Minds" scheme didn`t work too well in some parts of Vietnam.

"Charlie don`t surf!!" is now maybe "Charlie don`t ride!!"

Whatever...we`ll see after 17 / 11.