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    Michelin versus Metzler

    Ok,

    It's been around five to six weeks since I threw Metzler Z6's on my bike because I couldn't get Michelin Pilot Roads again, as they were not available. The front is just under half worn, the rear is about stuffed after 4300kms.

    From here on, Metzler Roadtec Z6's will be referred to as MR's and Michelin Pilot Roads as PR's.

    Firstly, the PR's were a brilliant set of tyres and both front and rear wore evenly till worn at 7,000kms. The only fault I could find with them, was that when pushed on a hot day and after about 15-20 minutes of fast hard riding, they would start to squirm when laying down the power out of corners. The first time this happened I thought I had developed a slow leak and stopped to check my rear tyre. From there on, when it happened, I ignored it but found it a little unsettling.

    In the wet, they were great with no scares except the time I crossed the left, white shoulder, white line in heavy rain cutting a corner at 160kmh. Both tyres lost grip completely but regripped immediately they hit the seal, putting me into four or five fully crossed up slides before regaining control.

    All in all the PR's are a very good tyre. Handling is excellent considering that they have given me the best mileage over anything else too date. No complaints and very pleased with the k's I got out of them. Dunlops were giving me around 3400kms a rear.

    Now to the MR's.
    It must be said in all fairness, that I have ridden harder and faster in the last 4300kms than I did when I had the PR's as there were a few commutes on the PR's and at times I had the missus on the back, whereas the MR's have been ridden hard virtually everytime I have been on the bike since fitting them.

    In all honesty, as far as handling goes, there is barely any discernible difference.
    In the wet, they seemed a little more skittery, but again, not by much. They were pushed hard. They never squirmed or let me down except one time a couple of weeks back, the rear tried to overtake the front on 140kmh corner where I had to straighten up and brake hard before going off road, as there was no way I was going to regain control.
    I do not believe this incident was the tyre, as I was not pushing as hard through this corner as I had other corners riding 500kms that day out to Kawhia and around Pirongia.

    Going back to examine the road the next day, there was some sand in the area where the back came around and maybe there was a lot more there the day before.
    Tyres generally give a squirm or you can feel the grip starting to break. There was none of that. It was instant let go, like hitting diesel or gravel.


    In summary, taking into consideration that the MR's have been hammered hard in corners and have seen lots of plus high speed runs, I believe the wear would be very similar under the same riding conditions.

    Both tyres do the job admirably on the GSX1400 and I believe 7,000kms would have been achievable with the MR's if I had ridden them the same as the PR's.

    Hope this helps. You will be safe and pleased with either of them depending on availablity. The difference is negligible.

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    Feck! Six weeks and worn out. ! Bloody hell you guys must have heaps of money. I need my tyres to last for years not weeks! No way could I afford a new tyre every 6 weeks. Must be nice to be rich. No wonder I'm a Communist.
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    Did you notice much difference in feedback from the 2?? I've been having a problem with Michelins where I can't tell if my tyres are the right pressure or 10lbs under. It's giving me the shits. So I'm going to try out some Metzelers once this pair are done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mental-Trousers
    Did you notice much difference in feedback from the 2?? I've been having a problem with Michelins where I can't tell if my tyres are the right pressure or 10lbs under. It's giving me the shits. So I'm going to try out some Metzelers once this pair are done.

    Hiya mate, what the 2?? Do you have a good tyre gauge? Pay to get one as the garage ones aren't always accurate. I've never had too many problems with pressures as once set, both Metzlers and Michelins lost a little over a couple of weeks. This is normal for any tyre of course.

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    Yeah I do. But a wee while back I had a puncture in the rear and couldn't even tell the tyre had lost a lot of air. Didn't know until I actually stopped somewhere and kicked it. And I've had the front lose about 10lbs on a ride and couldn't tell. I've never had a Michelin that I could tell when it lost pressure.
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    That's a real bonus don't you think

    Michelin must be run flat tyres.

    Seriously: I have not experienced this at all. Bit of a strange one cos as you say, you normally know when your tyres aren't inflated right. Normall takes a corner or two to realise. Strange alright.

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    Having seen how beyond rides, I'll take this thread as gospel. But I'll still use Z6's. (cheaper)
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    with Lou

    yeah

    agree with Lou re the Z6s, but don,t get a lot of ks out of them you did well with 4300kms.


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    The Z6 rear I had on the rear of the TL didn't last much over 3500km's but that was getting use to the erm.. private track =) .. and the bike shop reckon it may have lost some pressure (couldn't tell..) which why it got shagged quite quickly towards the end. Now on Macadam's (front and rear) diffinately not as crippy, and under very heavy braking (and engine braking) the rear slides slightly.. nothing major. Once warmed up, pretty satisfied with there performance (though haven't riden in very wet conditions). So will know in the next few weeks =)
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    I will stick with my Michelin's.
    There is a reason they are the used all around the world in the top racing events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonWolf
    Now on Macadam's (front and rear) diffinately not as crippy, and under very heavy braking (and engine braking) the rear slides slightly.. nothing major.
    I'm using these now (factory fit), but after 2 slides in the dry I'm a bit less than confident on them. Good price though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Girardin
    I'm using these now (factory fit), but after 2 slides in the dry I'm a bit less than confident on them. Good price though.
    Yeah I use em' as well,and find them pretty good.
    I use them for their intended use,which is as a sport tourer,not full on sport riding.If I was after a go hard tyre I would use something else,,,by Michelin.

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    Beyond, have you thought of trying the Pilot Sports, or even a Sport rear and road front, this may cure the squimming after 15-20min hard rding you were discribing, after all the Pilot road is still a pretty normal road tyre, and the way you ride maybe you'd be better with a sport on the back, maybe even power's, i've heard of guys getting crazy mileage from them, that are still quicker than most riders. I rate power's as the best road tyre IMO.
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    six weeks?

    Damn, my Z4's done 12,000 kms and is good for another 3,000 at least.

    The Z3 did 12,000 before being replaced with a Z6.

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    I've just noticed that we've got a set of Pilot Roads at AMPS. When will you need some beyond?
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