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    Uh-oh, this is bad, Andy is watching us, lads.

    From todays Dominion Post

    Biker deaths prompt safety calls
    08 May 2006

    By LANE NICHOLS

    Another two people have been killed in motorcycle crashes, raising fears of a jump in motorcycle deaths and sparking calls for more courses on rider safety.


    Annual motorcycle deaths had been falling steadily since the 1970s and 1980s, Land Transport New Zealand spokesman Andy Knackstedt said. However, that trend had reversed in recent years with a resurgence in motorcycling popularity.

    The statistics are likely to get worse as fuel costs make motorcycles a more attractive option.

    Sione Rex was killed instantly when his motorcycle smashed into a fence in South Auckland on Saturday.

    Another man died yesterday in an accident involving several motorcycles and cars in Helensville, north of Auckland. The only other road death at the weekend was when a car hit a power pole in Auckland.

    Nineteen riders or passengers have already died in crashes this year – three fewer than this time last year but five more than this time in 2004.

    In 1997, 52 motorcyclists died in road crashes. The number fell to 29 in 2002 but has been rising since.
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    In one of the worst biking accidents this year, five Outlaws Motorcycle Club members were critically injured and one killed in a motorcycle rally pile-up near Hastings in February.

    Motorcycle registrations peaked at nearly 30,000 in 1980 but fell to about 2500 in 1992 after a law change allowed cheap, used cars into the country.

    However, they jumped to 7654 last year, with a corresponding rise in motorcycle crashes, Mr Knackstedt said.

    This was partly because of older men getting back on to bikes, which were more powerful than those of their youth.

    "Obviously the trend we want to see is down, not up. But for motorcycles, they are starting to head in the wrong direction."

    Mr Knackstedt said motorcyclists were nine times more likely to be involved in fatal or injury-causing accidents than people in cars.

    He urged riders to ensure they were visible on the road and to sit rider safety training courses.

    But New Zealand Motor Cycle Safety Consultants chief executive Allan Kirk said regulation changes in the 1980s meant New Zealand now had one of the lowest training course uptake rates in the Western world.

    Land Transport should provide more incentives through the licensing system for riders to sit courses, Mr Kirk said.

    He feared that the number of motorcycle deaths would rise sharply as the cost of fuel forced more drivers to switch to motorcycles or scooters, which were cheaper to run but more dangerous.
    The rego figures for 1980 and 1992 are interesting. I knew that bikes almost disappeared in the 90's but this is the first time I've seen the figures. So there are 3 times as many bikes hitting the roads now as 1992 , but only a quarter of what there was in 1980. I'd believe that, in the mid 90s I sometimes thought I was the only motorcyclist left. Explains why all the bike shops disappeared, too. Still a long way to go to make back the ground we lost, eh.

    And who is this Kirk rooster? Is he the Megarider bloke?

    On the one hand Andy Knickerstuffed is saying its old riders coming back that are crashing (not sure I believe that). And on the other this Kirk is calling for tougher licensing rules. Which is contradictory, cos returning old rider will already have bike licences.

    I don't like this. Once these people get started who knows where it leads.

    We (the motorcycling community) should head them off at the pass. Somehow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion
    We (the motorcycling community) should head them off at the pass. Somehow
    We will shortly have a KiwiBiker member (ex-UK) working in a fairly influential position within LTSA. No doubt he will make his opinions known, but I've sent him this thread as a primer. Andy K raises the short hairs of everyone in our household when he appears on TV.

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    So does anyone know if older riders are actually over-represented in the prang stats?
    If so, how does it match the age spread of riders? Down this way the average age of riders is still pretty high.
    And are they largely new or returning riders as the LTSA suggests?
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    Dunno. I'd like to know. Big Dave, is this in your secret files that the mole gave you?

    Incidentally, if "returning" riders ARE over represented, why doesn't the LTSA encourage someone to start a course FOR returning riders?
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    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion
    Dunno. I'd like to know. Big Dave, is this in your secret files that the mole gave you?

    Incidentally, if "returning" riders ARE over represented, why doesn't the LTSA encourage someone to start a course FOR returning riders?
    There is probably an angle - 3 unanswered emails sent to 'deepbike' at the moment.

    Either he's busy or the tunnel has collapsed.

    These headlines add impetus to the BRONZ membership push at least.

    I'll try and get the minister for a KR interview anyway.

    Got 3 motorcycle trader ads to finish first

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    It sounds a bit to me like they might be parrotting a common prejudice.
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    Land Transport should provide more incentives through the licensing system for riders to sit courses,
    That reads to me like there is going to more legal requirements making it even harder to get a lisence. Granted it shouldn't be easier and people should be more skilled before taking to the streets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbird
    Andy K raises the short hairs of everyone in our household when he appears on TV.
    Is that because Mr Knackersack is a SafetyNazi?
    ... and that's what I think.

    Or summat.


    Or maybe not...

    Dunno really....


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    Quote Originally Posted by vifferman
    Is that because Mr Knackersack is a SafetyNazi?
    Hello Ian

    Partially but he's so bloody earnest about everything. I hope Hitcher's not like that on Ag and Forest issues

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    Perhaps we should email this thread to Andy K so he will know what we think of him.
    Time to ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jantar
    Perhaps we should email this thread to Andy K so he will know what we think of him.

    Hi Malcolm

    Don't do that fer Chrissakes or he'll know about the KB mole joining their team!

    Geoff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbird
    Hi Malcolm

    Don't do that fer Chrissakes or he'll know about the KB mole joining their team!

    Geoff
    Yes, you're right. But then again, chances are he wouldn't be logical enough to understand that information can flow in two directions.

    One year ago this week. eh Geoff. And can't wait for the next one.
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    BWAHAHAHAHAHA! This Government doesn't Give A FUCK!!!!

    They've found another opportunity to plant another - Labour Money Tree!!! (New Confectionary Dispensor for L2 Lift Lobby at the Beehive, on it's way!)
    They won't subsidise any kind of safety courses!

    We've got as much chance of a subsidised safety course as we have of the government reducing their subsidised caferteria funding!

    And if they did subsidise a course........ They'd impose twice that figure on a motorcyclists ACC tax raise.

    Wait 3 years and this fast Asian flavouring country will have bikeparks on Queen Street, just like this..........
    Even if the annual rego costs $400PA

    Then, Just like the Asians, All us taxpayers will have slanted eyes from all those evil looks we'll be giving the communist party!
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    Is there anything bad that the labour govenment hasn't caused yet Dafe? It's ok to be bitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jantar
    One year ago this week. eh Geoff. And can't wait for the next one.
    Yep, was just thinking about that myself. Only seems 5 minutes ago. Don't think I'll do the next Southern Cross but will look for a new challenge. Doing another 1000 miles/24 hour Grand Challenge to celebrate my 60th birthday might be a starter!

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