Sorry chaps, there is no room in $11.5 billion for a cut

**paturoa** · 11th October 2006, 13:02

From NZ Harold - > Finance Minister Michael Cullen has announced a record surplus, but says he will not know until the end of the year whether he has enough cash for tax cuts.

WTF 11.5 billion SURPLUS. Its too big for my calculator, thats about 32 million per day!!!!

Whats the bet it get positioned as an election bribe to be given to people who didn't earn it in the first place.

Have you noticed that the more money that gets spent on "social services" the wider the gap between the rich and poor gets?????

**Indiana_Jones** · 11th October 2006, 13:04

That dude is a cunt.

-Indy

**Steam** · 11th October 2006, 13:05

People are dying on hospital waiting lists and there are still selfish scum out there who want a frikkin TAX CUT?

**sAsLEX** · 11th October 2006, 13:08

Originally Posted by Steam

People are dying on hospital waiting lists and there are still selfish scum out there who want a frikkin TAX CUT?

So why was the 11 billion not poured in to the health system then!?

**paturoa** · 11th October 2006, 13:12

Originally Posted by Steam

People are dying on hospital waiting lists and there are still selfish scum out there who want a frikkin TAX CUT?

LOL - I've never thought of myself as "selfish scum". I kinda lean towards considering myself as someone who works my arse off to provide the best I can for my family.

Yeah agree with hospital stuff. So OK, lets put 4 BILLION into that, that should cover a few.

....that still leaves 7.5 BILLION

Now where else would you like to spend some more of the money I earnt?

**Sniper** · 11th October 2006, 13:12

Why isnt the money beeing given back to people who fucken deserve it and not prisons and dole bludgers!!!!!!

**ManDownUnder** · 11th October 2006, 13:17

Originally Posted by Sniper

Why isnt the money beeing given back to people who fucken deserve it and not prisons and dole bludgers!!!!!!

Pollies keep their (very very comfortable) job by being voted in... so the momey clearly needs to buy the votes of/benefit/be seen by the masses who will vote them in again. A little bit of money to a lot of people gets more votes than a lot of money to a few people.

I.e. it's better to boost the dole a bit, than cut hospital waiting lists.

**sAsLEX** · 11th October 2006, 13:23

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Pollies keep their (very very comfortable) job by being voted in...

They will vote themselves another pay rise, I remember my dads profession used to match MPs salaries but funnily enough they have got larger a lot quicker than the rest of NZ's salaries I wonder why?

**ManDownUnder** · 11th October 2006, 13:28

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

They will vote themselves another pay rise, I remember my dads profession used to match MPs salaries but funnily enough they have got larger a lot quicker than the rest of NZ's salaries I wonder why?

Pay wanking. The play with themselves till what they want starts to grow... then keep going till they're gratified for yet another year.

I wonder if the payrise will go through under urgency again?

**Steam** · 11th October 2006, 13:30

Originally Posted by paturoa

LOL - I've never thought of myself as "selfish scum". I kinda lean towards considering myself as someone who works my arse off to provide the best I can for my family.

Sorry, yeah I take your point. Didn't mean to call anyone specific 'selfish scum', it just bugs me sometimes that there's a lot of good things that can be done with surplus money, and the government ususally ends up wasting it on this or that or prisons or whatever, while the important stuff gets ignored.

**The Stranger:Me** · 11th October 2006, 13:33

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Pollies keep their (very very comfortable) job by being voted in... so the momey clearly needs to buy the votes of/benefit/be seen by the masses who will vote them in again. A little bit of money to a lot of people gets more votes than a lot of money to a few people.

I.e. it's better to boost the dole a bit, than cut hospital waiting lists.

It's quite simple really.

The more you tax something the less of it you get.
The more you subsidise something the more of it you get.

So tax the wealthy and subsidise the poor and viola more votes.

**MSTRS:Me** · 11th October 2006, 13:35

Originally Posted by paturoa

Have you noticed that the more money that gets spent on "social services" the wider the gap between the rich and poor gets?????

Oh yeah. Give the lazy fuckers a fish. Cos they'd sell the rod and come back for the fish anyway.

**James Deuce** · 11th October 2006, 13:35

Have you guys seen our balance of payments?

We don't deserve to be a "first world" country. If every investor calls in what NZ owes, that 11.5 Billion isn't enough to prevent us ending up like Nth Korea in about a week.

**ManDownUnder** · 11th October 2006, 13:37

Originally Posted by Jim2

Have you guys seen our balance of payments?

We don't deserve to be a "first world" country. If every investor calls in what NZ owns, that 11.5 Billion isn't enough to prevent us ending up like Nth Korea in about a week.

You're quite right - but that same argument holds true for most countries... strangely... somehow...!

Look at the US... debt?? I'll give you debt!

**ManDownUnder** · 11th October 2006, 13:38

Originally Posted by CaN

It's quite simple really.

The more you tax something the less of it you get.
The more you subsidise something the more of it you get.

So tax the wealthy and subsidise the poor and viola more votes.

I can't fault your logic... and I find that very discomforting