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    I can't see the problem with our road toll?

    In the 12 months to 21 December 2007 there were 421 deaths on our roads.

    The registered vehicle fleet as at 30 June 2006 was 2,786,389 motorcycles, cars and vans.

    Using these figures (obviously there will be slightly more vehicles on the roads this year than last) the number of deaths / vehicle in the past twelve months is 0.00015

    If you assume that the average vehicle travels 10,000km / year (can't find the actual figure, would love it if someone has it?) the figure for deaths / km is 0.000000015

    I think it's fairly obvious from these calculations that the death toll in NZ is well within the realms of natural human falability and is already effectively zero.

    I strongly doubt it is possible to eliminate the death toll completely. We must also ask ourselves if we should even be trying. To me, the cost of pushing the driving public with measures that are way beyond anything that can be remotely considered humane and in no way fit the (non) problem is far too high.

    Do we want a population of organic entities that exist only as zombies (for that is what the current concentration on absolute safety will inevitably produce) or a population of sentient beings that can actually think for themselves given the chance to do so?

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    I'm afraid the battle was lost many years ago... we are all effectively drones.

    On another note, there are quite a lot of unregistered vehicles out there. I think that is a bigger problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikkel View Post
    On another note, there are quite a lot of unregistered vehicles out there. I think that is a bigger problem.
    come again?

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    Well, you're representing the figures in a slightly odd way, which my whiskey-addled brain might be misinterpreting, but I think there's better ways of saying those figures. The way you're writing them, if the number was `1', then that would mean there was one death for every registered vehicle. So you will never get large-looking figures like that.

    The more normal way of writing it would be to divide the number of registered vehicles by the number of deaths. Giving ~6619, which means that there was one death for every 6619 vehicles in New Zealand. Out of 2.7 million or so. Which doesn't sound quite so peachy.

    People always say `even one death is enough', but of course you can't eliminate every last death. What's the stats on us vs. the rest of the world w.r.t. road deaths?

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    Post Lethality Comparison: Motorcycling versus Smoking



    Lethality Comparison: Motorcycling versus Smoking




    INTRODUCTION
    Smoking is seen in today's society as a bit of a bad habit, but nothing too serious. Hey, you're not hurting anyone right? Motorcycling on the other hand, well, you're a menace to society and an organ donor. Just a few rides away from certain death, better not ride two days in a row either, that's just asking for trouble. But wait, what is actually more dangerous?

    The focus of this investigation is solely on fatalities. As injuries/sickness are not accounted for in the statistics I have available. It would be moot anyway, what's worse, a broken arm or pneumonia?



    THE FACTS ABOUT MOTORCYCLING
    In 2006 there were 110,684 registered motorcycles and mopeds[1]. In that year there were 42 motorcycle fatalities[2]. Assuming one person owns one motorcycle or moped. I accept that this is not always the case, as some individuals will own many cycles - these figures would need to be included in the calculations once a sensible estimate for multiple cycle ownership is devised.

    This equates to 0.000379. Take a random group of 10,000 bikers and you would lose 3.79 every year.



    HOW THIS COMPARES TO SMOKING

    In 2006, 24 percent of New Zealanders aged 15–64 years were cigarette smokers (est. 1,088,594 people)[3]. "Smoking [causes] an estimated 4,700 deaths each year" [4] Many sources (mostly governmental) place the figure at 4,700. But this figure appears somewhat outdated, circa the late 1990's. The percentage of smokers appears to have dropped 3% since this time. I will use the conservative estimate of 4,000 per year in my calculations. Most fatalities are brought about through respiratory and cardiovascular diseases/cancers which are attributed to smoking[5]. Note: fatalities from passive smoking not included.

    This equates to 0.00367. Take a random group of 10,000 smokers and you would lose 36.7 every year.



    CONCLUSION
    If you partake in either activity for an entire lifetime, then you are roughly 10 times more likely to die prematurely from smoking than you are from motorcycling. Exposures can be debated, but leave that for another time. So why is there such a negative label placed on motorcycling by the greater society? Is it the swift horrific nature of motorcycle accidents versus the quiet, creeping diseases of smoking? The fact that motorcycling fatalities usually happen to younger people, and smoking fatalities happen to those who are older? The Media - when was the last time you saw a news story on someone who had just died from smoking? Or does the influence come partly from offshore, such as America, where the motorcycle fatality statistics are far more grim? I would like to know, because I have friends and family who are smokers, and yet they refuse to accept my decision to enter the world of motorcycling. Clearly any harm that came to me would greatly bereave them, but I feel exactly the same about their smoking. At first I found it hypocritical, but maybe it's ignorance more than anything. Ignorance on my part, aswell as theirs. Because if you take a step back you'll see that the overriding message is that there is risk in everything we do. Risk is what makes life worth living, and managing the risks is what makes life long.

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    Interesting note: More pedestrians were killed in 2006 than motorcyclists, with 45 fatalities[2].

    [1] Land Transport (Page 48)
    [2] Land Transport
    [3] Ministry of Social Development
    [4] Ministry of Health
    [5] Statistics New Zealand


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    Hmmm....I ride a bike....I smoke....and I'm waaayyy overweight so...I'm screwed!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZsarge View Post
    Hmmm....I ride a bike....I smoke....and I'm waaayyy overweight so...I'm screwed!!
    Ride faster then!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo View Post
    Interesting note: More pedestrians were killed in 2006 than motorcyclists, with 45 fatalities[/COLOR][COLOR="Gray"
    No worries, the clampdown on speed will make it safer for pedestrians....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2 View Post
    Ride faster then!
    Deal..............

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    Nice new purchase btw - bet you make that thing look like a clown bike!
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    Interesting note: More pedestrians were killed in 2006 than motorcyclists, with 45 fatalities[2].
    I guess the Labour party have not seen this fact yet - otherwise pedestrians would be registered (costing $$$$$$) and wearing bum-plates. Got to make those people who are dying pay their dues first.

    New for 2008 - a 'walking tax'?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZsarge View Post
    ...I'm screwed!!
    Not quite. You don't walk too, do you?
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikkel View Post
    I'm afraid the battle was lost many years ago... we are all effectively drones.

    On another note, there are quite a lot of unregistered vehicles out there. I think that is a bigger problem.
    i agree with that. ive often thought itd be great to have a cop stationed on every single petrol station forecourt. not only would it make life safer for the staff, but the number on unregistered/warrented vehicles that come in... not to mention the unrestrained kids the dole bludgers keep producing... fines would be being handed out left right and center.
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    Of course if our roads were wider, with adequate capacity for the number of vehicles on them and decent median barriers, the head-on would be a thing of the past.

    Then gradually replace traffic lights with round-abouts to make fail-to-yield accidents non fatal.

    But we can't blame road engineering because... well just because.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo;1353427
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    THE FACTS ABOUT MOTORCYCLING[/B]
    [INDENT]In 2006 there were 110,684 registered motorcycles and mopeds[1]. In that year there were 42 motorcycle fatalities[2]. Assuming one person owns one motorcycle or moped. I accept that this is not always the case, as some individuals will own many cycles - these figures would need to be included in the calculations once a sensible estimate for multiple cycle ownership is devised.
    You raise some good points there.
    Here was a rough attempt at quantifying multi bike ownership
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