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Thread: Changing the transport act - (address on vehicle rego)

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    Changing the transport act - (address on vehicle rego)

    I don't think you should be able to find someones home address from their rego. I have requested the reasoning behind from the NZTA (ltsa) who replied:

    Quote Originally Posted by NZTA
    Section 7(1) and 22(1) of the Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986 requires that we hold a current New Zealand residential address for enforcement purposes. I have provided the link below to relevant legislation.
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p.../DLM91431.html

    You can still have the location of where the vehicle is stored as the physical address and provide a different address (in NZ) for mail to be sent to (e.g PO Box).
    I queried what you needed to apply for it to be hidden, I mean, if its for 'Enforcement purposes' then surely it doesnt need to be available to anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by NZTA
    Confidential Status Application

    If any person considers that the supply of their name and address may be likely to jeopardise their or their families personal safety (i.e. threat to life or property), they must put their request in writing to apply for confidential status. Applications must include their full name, address, phone number and the plate numbers of the vehicles involved. Each application is assessed on its own merit.

    The applicant must also supply either:
    • a protection order
    • written confirmation from a Police Officer to the effect that the officer believes that the personal safety of the applicant and the applicants family could be jeopardised by the supply of the applicants name and address
    • evidence of a threat to their safety
    One person I spoke to advised that you could have your address set to a relative or perhaps your work address, and while that might suit some, it seems silly to have to work around the law when it should just work for us, why should I have to lie?

    You are not allowed to use a PO BOX or any other sort of postal address for this record, although you can have a postal address on the record as well as your physical address.


    I wrote to Hon Judith Tizard but haven't heard back about it yet. what do you think? Is there something else I haven't considered here?

    notable reading thread: Obtaining owner details from a plate no.

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    Just do what I do. Bullshit physical address & PO Box as address for service. Anyone who needs my real address (Police etc.) for lawful purposes can get it by checking the registration, getting my name and getting my address from my licence details. Anyone else can ask for it specifically stating their reasons and go get fucked if I don't want to give it to them. There's no reason for my address to be readily available to Joe Public from my vehicle registration plates just because they want it. And I don't give a shit if it's the law.
    If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!

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    I had a wee problem with that kind of thing and was advised by an administrator of the law to use my work address in future.

    She just told me to make sure that I could be contacted by mail with whatever details I provided.

    So, obviously not a law that will be enforced by anybody that matters then.

    Any way, it will all be changing soon, only select groups will be able to access that information.

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    The law was changed about 20 years ago because smart alecs were registering vehicles in the name of their dog. Obviously this casued some difficulties with enforcement of parking fines.

    PO Boxes are not acceptable as addresses for many types of official registration (eg, company directors) because dishonest people deliberately avoid being identified and located.

    If your home address is a problem then your choice is to find a physical address where you can receive mail - work? local Post Shop? ..... and use a PO Box for mailing.

    Sorry but I don't agree with you, having had to trace people occasionally.

    However I would agree for the law was changed to restrict access to the info to government and local authority agencies and anyone with a financial interest in the vehicle. Where does the mechanic who has been stiffed fit in here though??

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    Isn't this going a bit OT...I mean how much of a real issue is it.

    How does the potential buyer of a vehicle check the vendor's credentials if they cannot check the address etc.

    LTSA already have licenced access on line for Insurer's for eg so there are protections in place.

    What they should do is simply record any persons who request information against a registration with Ltsa or just scrap that public route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston001 View Post
    However I would agree for the law was changed to restrict access to the info to government and local authority agencies and anyone with a financial interest in the vehicle. Where does the mechanic who has been stiffed fit in here though??
    The dumb cunt shouldn't have let the car go to somebody he doesn't know without first receiving payment in full then. His problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy View Post
    Isn't this going a bit OT...I mean how much of a real issue is it.
    Quite an issue when there's a bunch of cunts trying to steal your bike in the middle of the night after they got your address for $2.50 from the post office after window shopping on the motorway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy View Post
    How does the potential buyer of a vehicle check the vendor's credentials if they cannot check the address etc.
    Who cares. All of my details are riding around with a simple reference number attached. I don't like that, and if a buyer has a problem with that he can get fucked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy View Post
    LTSA already have licenced access on line for Insurer's for eg so there are protections in place.
    Like fuck there are. Locked doors only keep out honest thieves. Besides, I've seen details posted on this site by people with the very same access. Not very secure if you ask me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy View Post
    What they should do is simply record any persons who request information against a registration with Ltsa.
    They do. But see above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy View Post
    How does the potential buyer of a vehicle check the vendor's credentials if they cannot check the address etc.
    Having the vendors physical address is not going to assist with anything when buying a vehicle. If you want to know if it's stolen, that the seller is the 'registered' owner or that there is no security registered over the vehicle, having a physical address won't assist with those things pre-purchase.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy View Post
    LTSA already have licenced access on line for Insurer's for eg so there are protections in place.

    What they should do is simply record any persons who request information against a registration with Ltsa or just scrap that public route.
    They already do record details of those who make enquiries to the Motorvehicle Registration Database via LTSA agents. But that's of little comfort when your pride and joy is swiped or someone who thinks you've slighted them on the road takes the opportunity to get the details and arrange for a mate of theirs to pop around and give you the bash.
    If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!

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    my plates are private, ie, you cant get my physical address from my rego.
    you have to apply to have it done, and it can only be done if your life is in danger of threats are being made against you and the safety of you or your family is in danger.

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    I voted yes, go for it change the law! - I love seeing people beat their head against a brick wall.
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    Bikes are registered to a work address... easy

    Except now one of the bikes IS currently stored at the work address
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    For me the problem is not that LTSA have my physical address, my beef is that it can be made available to anyone for a small fee payable at the post office. Also it can be gotten online through a lemon check, and also carfax, and who knows where else.

    On the other hand if you are buying a vehicle and want to make sure that the seller is the owner, then maybe fair enough to access this info. But we can't have it both ways.

    You have to wonder how much vehicle theft can be attributed to people gaining owners details by one of these methods. Of course they could just follow them home...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mazz1972 View Post
    my beef is that it can be made available to anyone for a small fee payable at the post office.
    What is the problem with that ? What did you do ? Are you afraid they will find you ?

    Quote Originally Posted by mazz1972 View Post
    You have to wonder how much vehicle theft can be attributed to people gaining owners details by one of these methods. Of course they could just follow them home...
    Entertaining ideas like that will poison your mind.

    I don't mind if people can look up my vehicle details. I have loads of vehicles, and I don't have a bad attitude while I'm in them. Cheeky, yes. Bad, no.

    If someone looked up my details and posted them without my permission in a googlable location - I would have a problem with that. Thats just like posting someones email address in a forum - you don't do it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by carver View Post
    my plates are private, ie, you cant get my physical address from my rego.
    you have to apply to have it done, and it can only be done if your life is in danger of threats are being made against you and the safety of you or your family is in danger.
    Ummmm..riding badly at high speeds does not constitute 'you life is in danger' in this context
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    Quote Originally Posted by mazz1972 View Post
    On the other hand if you are buying a vehicle and want to make sure that the seller is the owner, then maybe fair enough to access this info. But we can't have it both ways.
    Like I said, having the address of the registered 'owner' adds nothing to the buying process. Even having the name of the registered 'owner' adds little - how many people armed with the name insist on ID to verify the identity? Besides, who a vehicle is registered to and who is actually the owner don't have to be the same thing. The only evidence we have for vehicle ownership here in NZ is a receipt for payment - who is the 'registered' owner means nothing from a legal standpoint - it's there for government agencies to use to lawfully bill us for any alleged driving (speed camera) and parking indiscretions. Nothing more.

    Of course, if you want to maintain this illusion of purchase safety with the registered 'owner' being recorded in the Motorvehicle Registration Database, you could make it a simple case of only that person listed as the registered 'owner' being able to request the information pertaining to a particular vehicle to which they are the registered 'owner' and they could do so to show prospective buyers. But it's still only a feelgood measure and in reality means absolutely nothing.
    If it wasn't for a concise set of rules, we might have to resort to common sense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Ummmm..riding badly at high speeds does not constitute 'you life is in danger' in this context
    haha, i wish it was that trivial!
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