MotoGP 2012

[denill]

Something funny going on there , I suspect its spies mother that may have ruffled a few feathers

just a guess Stephen

Not a bad guess............... ;)

[roogazza]

I actually beg to differ. I've been watching old races here at work on our tellys..

Did you know that those old VHS tapes probably came from me ? Around mid eighties your boss Gary would send money at the start of the season. I'd sit up to all hours watching and taping in Adelaide.
Not that keen now, just copy it while I'm in the pit.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Change the record Pete, for the love of Christ. I have never said he didn't know what he was talking about, or that he wasn't a fuckin fantastic rider. I don't like the way he talks about stuff, I don't obsess over it the way you seem to obsess that people might have said the above.

Lighten up Numbnuts. I'm simply having a laff. And not everything is about you.


You have finally come round to my way of thinking!
Shame about all those wasted posts defending him!:scooter:

That's a much better response!:sunny:


Something funny going on there , I suspect its spies mother that may have ruffled a few feathers

just a guess

Stephen

Funny that they've put up with her this long.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Did you know that those old VHS tapes probably came from me ? Around mid eighties your boss Gary would send money at the start of the season. I'd sit up to all hours watching and taping in Adelaide.
Not that keen now, just copy it while I'm in the pit.

Not that fucking old Buddy. We're watching oldies on dvd's!

[GD66]

Now back to current affairs.......................I really wish Ben would tell us where he is going.



Mutterings now of him taking the vacant seat at Pramac...


What the....? :gob:

[Reckless]

Ha my little man is coming good I hope!!

http://www.nzsbk.com/2012/09/pedrosa-fastest-in-latest-test-at-aragon.html?spref=tw

Never backed him before but as said in previous posts :nya:
I'd really like to see him shit on all the early predictions on it being a two horse race Stoner Vs Lorenzo!
Although Stoner's fizz went out a few races ago!

Hopefully Pedro can stay on two wheels :scooter: that pass by Lorenzo last race, last lap was a little exciting but frightening!!:crazy:
I'd like to see him beat Lorenzo fair and square so his win first Moto GP tittle has real credit.
He certainly has different body language in the interviews from previous races :woohoo:

I hope they both stay upright for the season. :sweatdrop

Go you little bugger .....................

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ha my little man is coming good I hope!!

http://www.nzsbk.com/2012/09/pedrosa-fastest-in-latest-test-at-aragon.html?spref=tw

Never backed him before but as said in previous posts :nya:
I'd really like to see him shit on all the early predictions on it being a two horse race Stoner Vs Lorenzo!
Although Stoner's fizz went out a few races ago!

Hopefully Pedro can stay on two wheels :scooter: that pass by Lorenzo last race, last lap was a little exciting but frightening!!:crazy:
I'd like to see him beat Lorenzo fair and square so his win first Moto GP tittle has real credit.
He certainly has different body language in the interviews from previous races :woohoo:

I hope they both stay upright for the season. :sweatdrop

Go you little bugger .....................

Yeah he's having an awesome season...and for sure it's great to see! I'm a huge Lorenzo fan...but I think I'd prefer to see wee Pedro take the title to spice things up!

[BMWST?]

Yeah he's having an awesome season...and for sure it's great to see! I'm a huge Lorenzo fan...but I think I'd prefer to see wee Pedro take the title to spice things up!


Dani has always been a wee bit inconsistent hasnt he,some races he just blows everyone away,others he has incidents,hurts himself etc.Would like to see hi get a champoinship.As far as the championship goes When casey comes back it might make things MORE difficult for Dani.

[Dave-]

To me the sport is fucked up now. Motorcycles and motorcyclists used to be all about getting stuck in, and doing it yourself. We were different from the av retard that drove a car. We'd fix our fucking bike on the side of the road, we'd at least have a go. We'd race bikes and learn ourselves how to make them go faster...tune them ourselves.

I have no issue with the march of modern technology...I just think it belongs in Superbikes (production based racing) not Grand Prix racing.

With the death of the all mighty two stroke the sport is dying with it.

I'm sure when you were mu age the old coggers moaned about the good old days too.

[BMWST?]

I'm sure when you were mu age the old coggers moaned about the good old days too.

no you have it backwards,they moan about today,not the good old days

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm sure when you were mu age the old coggers moaned about the good old days too.

lol. Nothing's changed there mate!

[Bender]

Dani has always been a wee bit inconsistent hasnt he,some races he just blows everyone away,others he has incidents,hurts himself etc.Would like to see hi get a champoinship.As far as the championship goes When casey comes back it might make things MORE difficult for Dani.

Pedrosa was well on track last year until taken out by Simoncelli at LeMans,getting a smashed collarbone that effectively ended his championship. He'd just recovered from a broken left collarbone. I find it hard to warm to the man - he's a bit robotic, so I find it hard to get excited about his good form (feel the same way about Lorenzo). That said, I think he's certainly good enough to win the title.

[tail_end_charlie]

Mutterings now of him taking the vacant seat at Pramac...


What the....? :gob:

Yeah, I saw that too. Shit, right now I wouldn't wish a GP Duc on any rider, much less one I actually like. You have to think though, Ducati in MotoGP has gone downhill since CS won in 2007, at some point they have to reach rock bottom and start to bounce back. Right??? Either that or fold out of MotoGP..........which wouldn't really help anyone.

But then again there is so much scuttlebutt running around during the silly season that I think people make up shit just to see how far it will go. Nigh on impossible to lay down a decent prediction of where Ben is going to go.

[GD66]

I reckon. Dickhead Spanish journos cobbling up any old cow droppings to avoid being added to the 25% Spanish unemployment total...:nya:

[Crasherfromwayback]

You have to think though, Ducati in MotoGP has gone downhill since CS won in 2007, at some point they have to reach rock bottom and start to bounce back. Right???

If one of the greatest ever GP racers of all time can't win or do anything with it...I think they're already there.

[tail_end_charlie]

I reckon. Dickhead Spanish journos cobbling up any old cow droppings to avoid being added to the 25% Spanish unemployment total...:nya:

Ain't that the truth.


If one of the greatest ever GP racers of all time can't win do anything with it...I think they're already there.

So where is the bounce back? There has only been a few glimmers of hope from Rossi and Nicky this season (two if you take out the wet performances). The pendulum has to swing back in their favor at some point. Could it be next season? From what I've read/watched my understanding is that Ducati have a tendancy to make huge leaps every few years and come up with some unique design concepts, but then sorta sit with them and not do much development of it before taking another leap. Where-as the Japanese firms take a more calculated, plotted, engineered approach and make multiple developments of the bike, each progressing on what was learned from previous versions. (Not that I'm making any sweeping generalizations here or anything.)

Ducati has sorta left their normal mentality (by going for a aluminum beam frame and following the Japs) of going outside the status quo. So now they are either faced with trying to catch up with ~30 odd years of Jap expierence with this frame type, or making another one of their big leaps and come up with something radical.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So where is the bounce back? There has only been a few glimmers of hope from Rossi and Nicky this season (two if you take out the wet performances). .

Ain't been one so far. Only a very slight boing.

[merv]

As for Dani, maybe he doesn't sound so dry when he speaks in Spanish. I can imagine it aint easy fronting up to a press conference in a foreign tongue - I'd be buggered trying to do one in his language if ever I'd been famous.

[BMWST?]

Lots of chatter this morning that Ben Spies has signed with Pramac Ducati (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19515060&postcount=4495) (or whatever it will be next year) and will be announced at Misano. The deal reportedly guarantees Spies a "100% Factory" bike, whatever that is.


Spies will reportedly be joined by "Crazy Joe" Ianonne.


Oh, Ben, Ben, Ben... :headshake


seems there is some substance to the spies/pramac thig

[tigertim20]

Ain't that the truth.



So where is the bounce back? There has only been a few glimmers of hope from Rossi and Nicky this season (two if you take out the wet performances). The pendulum has to swing back in their favor at some point. Could it be next season? From what I've read/watched my understanding is that Ducati have a tendancy to make huge leaps every few years and come up with some unique design concepts, but then sorta sit with them and not do much development of it before taking another leap. Where-as the Japanese firms take a more calculated, plotted, engineered approach and make multiple developments of the bike, each progressing on what was learned from previous versions. (Not that I'm making any sweeping generalizations here or anything.)

Ducati has sorta left their normal mentality (by going for a aluminum beam frame and following the Japs) of going outside the status quo. So now they are either faced with trying to catch up with ~30 odd years of Jap expierence with this frame type, or making another one of their big leaps and come up with something radical.

yes, but now they are Audi owned, so expect a shakeup in the way things are done. my suspicion would be that towards the end of next season, they will have a bike capable of harassing some of the front runners, and maybe a podium by halfway through the season after that. Audi I imagine will take a careful approach to fixing the bike

[BMWST?]

yes, but now they are Audi owned, so expect a shakeup in the way things are done. my suspicion would be that towards the end of next season, they will have a bike capable of harassing some of the front runners, and maybe a podium by halfway through the season after that. Audi I imagine will take a careful approach to fixing the bike

not sure about that.even with a good bike i am not sure that Hayden or Dovi will be fast enough to beat two factory Hondas and two factory Yamahas not to mention Bradl,Bautista et al...

[GD66]

seems there is some substance to the spies/pramac thing


If that is the case it makes his whimpering about the politics of the paddock, the lack of fun and enjoyment etc to be also a pile of cow droppings....Personally I'd like to think after what he showed in the US against the iron-willed Mladin and in his impressive WSBK attack that he really can get it together and ride at or near the front, even on one of those things . If he has another shocker, then no doubt the bell will finally toll...

[slowpoke]

Ain't that the truth.



So where is the bounce back? There has only been a few glimmers of hope from Rossi and Nicky this season (two if you take out the wet performances). The pendulum has to swing back in their favor at some point. Could it be next season? From what I've read/watched my understanding is that Ducati have a tendancy to make huge leaps every few years and come up with some unique design concepts, but then sorta sit with them and not do much development of it before taking another leap. Where-as the Japanese firms take a more calculated, plotted, engineered approach and make multiple developments of the bike, each progressing on what was learned from previous versions. (Not that I'm making any sweeping generalizations here or anything.)

Ducati has sorta left their normal mentality (by going for a aluminum beam frame and following the Japs) of going outside the status quo. So now they are either faced with trying to catch up with ~30 odd years of Jap expierence with this frame type, or making another one of their big leaps and come up with something radical.

Go back and check out the article Pritch linked a few days back, it explains a lot. Preziosi/Ducati are being very calculated, analysing and verifying rather than making wholesale changes. I had lost faith in Preziosi but after reading that I'm giving the guy a bit more leeway.

[DidJit]

Next year’s grid (http://motomatters.com/news/2012/09/05/2013_motogp_rider_line_up_the_story_so_f.html?utm_ source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MotoGPMatters+%28MotoMatters% 29) is beginning to fill up...

[tail_end_charlie]

Go back and check out the article Pritch linked a few days back, it explains a lot. Preziosi/Ducati are being very calculated, analysing and verifying rather than making wholesale changes. I had lost faith in Preziosi but after reading that I'm giving the guy a bit more leeway.

Your're talking about the Italian magazine article right? This one:
http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/32890_Desmo-whys

Read that one, and it was quite interesting. Maybe what I was trying to say wasn't coming out too clear though. Ducati, being a small manufacturer (compared to Honda and Yamaha, and Suzuki & Kawasaki for that matter) don't have the money or resources for continuos R&D to the extent that the Japanese manufuactures do. Ducati can't go round for round with the Japs trying to match immediately every improvement that they make. I'm not trying to say they (Preziosi/Ducati) is stupid for not doing that, not at all. They are just operating on a different timeline to the others. The head of HRC, Nakamoto, is working on the belief that it takes three years of development to get a championship winning bike (Preziosi said 2 years). And that is working on the continuous development of said bike. In the last 3 or 4 years Ducati has jumped from a cromoly tube frame, to a CF/stressed engine frame, to a AL/stressed engine frame, to a AL beam frame, and also throwing in a change from 800 to 1000cc. There is not a whole lot of consistancy there with the overall layout. So lots of big leaps recently w/o enough time to sort out the changes needed to go from design concept to working/winning prototype.

Now I don't know about you, but to me those changes would constitute a wholesale change.

Now some of this theory may be skewed by the generalizations that I have about cultures. From my time in uni studing engineering I found that a lot of the asian (mostly Tiwanese and some Japs and Koreans) were very good at crunching numbers and working along in a linear fashion. I'm not real familar with their culture, but I think that this sortof aligns with that. They were, perhaps, not quite as eager as Europeans/Americans to think outside the box, and jump for radical changes. This however is my personal theory and I'm sure it will get some shit slung at me about generalising.

[denill]

Spies: <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Sep/120905b.htm>"Everyone will know something more this week."</A>

[tbs]

Your're talking about the Italian magazine article right? This one:
http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/32890_Desmo-whys

Read that one, and it was quite interesting. Maybe what I was trying to say wasn't coming out too clear though. Ducati, being a small manufacturer (compared to Honda and Yamaha, and Suzuki & Kawasaki for that matter) don't have the money or resources for continuos R&D to the extent that the Japanese manufuactures do. Ducati can't go round for round with the Japs trying to match immediately every improvement that they make. I'm not trying to say they (Preziosi/Ducati) is stupid for not doing that, not at all. They are just operating on a different timeline to the others. The head of HRC, Nakamoto, is working on the belief that it takes three years of development to get a championship winning bike (Preziosi said 2 years). And that is working on the continuous development of said bike. In the last 3 or 4 years Ducati has jumped from a cromoly tube frame, to a CF/stressed engine frame, to a AL/stressed engine frame, to a AL beam frame, and also throwing in a change from 800 to 1000cc. There is not a whole lot of consistancy there with the overall layout. So lots of big leaps recently w/o enough time to sort out the changes needed to go from design concept to working/winning prototype.

Now I don't know about you, but to me those changes would constitute a wholesale change.

Now some of this theory may be skewed by the generalizations that I have about cultures. From my time in uni studing engineering I found that a lot of the asian (mostly Tiwanese and some Japs and Koreans) were very good at crunching numbers and working along in a linear fashion. I'm not real familar with their culture, but I think that this sortof aligns with that. There were, perhaps, not quite as eager as Europeans/Americans to think outside the box, and jump for radical changes. This however is my personal theory and I'm sure it will get some shit slung at me about generalising.

I bought an Australian print magazine last night and it had some interesting commentary on what has gone wrong with Rossi and the Ducati. According to them, Jerry Burgess discounted the L-4 length being the problem as "Bunkem", saying that the Honda V4 was almost 90 degrees anyway. Basically he said the bike is within 1% of the others, but that it was essentially the same bike that they started the season on. If a Honda or Yamaha factory pilot says he wants a tweak on his bike it is there for the next race, whereas Rossi has been waiting and waiting for updates which just haven't come. The bulk of the changes have been radical, with no follow up to refine them. Rossi knows that isn't going to change in time for him to have a go at Agostini's record. He needs six wins a year for three years to achieve it, which he is hoping he will manage with Yamaha.

Wayne Rainey commented that Rossi still has all the talent required to win races, but that after this many years operating in the Japanese culture, where they updated the bike to the way he wanted it, he just couldn't adapt to the totally different Ducati. If he'd got on the Ducati earlier in his career, it may have worked out, but he's refined his style on completely different bikes. The big test according to Rainey will be if Vale still has the desire to push hard enough. His skill is not in doubt.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi knows that isn't going to change in time for him to have a go at Agostini's record. He needs six wins a year for three years to achieve it, which he is hoping he will manage with Yamaha.

.

I don't like his chances. But to me...he's already a better racer than Ago was.

[tbs]

I don't like his chances. But to me...he's already a better racer than Ago was.

Yeah it's a tough ask for sure. They mentioned his 11 wins in a season, which I think he did twice, but it's a different ball-game now. Against Lorenzo and with the way Dani is riding lately, I think 6 is going to be a huge effort.

[tail_end_charlie]

not sure about that.even with a good bike i am not sure that Hayden or Dovi will be fast enough to beat two factory Hondas and two factory Yamahas not to mention Bradl,Bautista et al...

Ummmm, so you're ignoring the fact that one has a MotoGP WC and the other has more podiums than half of the factory bikes on the grid? I mean shit, Dovi has 5 podiums this year so far on a satillite Yamaha, how many do Bautista and Bradle have???? ZERO!

I would say that both Hayden and Dovi are capable of podiums, and maybe even a win or two IF they were on competative bikes. They are maybe a step down from JL, CS, DP, & VR, but not by much.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah it's a tough ask for sure. They mentioned his 11 wins in a season, which I think he did twice, but it's a different ball-game now. Against Lorenzo and with the way Dani is riding lately, I think 6 is going to be a huge effort.

Lorenzo has only got better since.

[BMWST?]

Yeah it's a tough ask for sure. They mentioned his 11 wins in a season, which I think he did twice, but it's a different ball-game now. Against Lorenzo and with the way Dani is riding lately, I think 6 is going to be a huge effort.

not only the aliens either.If he has a bad day he may also get beaten by the tech 3 bikes and the satelite Hondas...so getting the points in for championship wont be as easy as it was either

[BMWST?]

They are maybe a step down from JL, CS, DP, & VR, but not by much.

Thats my point.if the aforementioned ride to their potential there wont be a podium for the duc...Dovi is getting podiums because he is on a very good bike AND the aliens are making mistakes,and i do not take away anything from him in saying that.

[tail_end_charlie]

Yeah it's a tough ask for sure. They mentioned his 11 wins in a season, which I think he did twice, but it's a different ball-game now. Against Lorenzo and with the way Dani is riding lately, I think 6 is going to be a huge effort.

Dani sure is going to make the end of this season interesting. And JL must be a bit worried, considering his engine status.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Aug/120831a.htm

Sounds like there is a very real chance that JL may have to stretch the number of races he gets out of an engine, or else may have to make a start from pit lane. Seems to me like that might just give the advantage to DP at this point of the season, even if he is 13 pts behind right now.

[tail_end_charlie]

Thats my point.if the aforementioned ride to their potential there wont be a podium for the duc...Dovi is getting podiums because he is on a very good bike AND the aliens are making mistakes,and i do not take away anything from him in saying that.


Fair enough. But there will only be 3 aliens next year. JL, DP & VR. I don't really think that Marq M. will be at the top right off the bat next year. So IF ducati are able to get themselves sorted and have a competative bike next year (and that is one almighty big if) the three aliens will have to ride every race of the season perfectly to not allow anyone else to get on the podium. That ain't gonna happen, even they make mistakes every so often. And who will be next snapping at their heels the whole way? Dovi, NH, Bradle, Cal and whoever gets Bautista's ride. Of those 'second tier' riders, I would hazard to say that Dovi and Hayden are the best right now.

Will Dovi/Hayden be competative for the WC? Eh, thats a bit more of a long shot, but then again, it can and has been argued that Hayden wasn't the fastest rider in 2006, but still took the crown when the dust settled.

[BMWST?]

Fair enough. But there will only be 3 aliens next year. JL, DP & VR. I don't really think that Marq M. will be at the top right off the bat next year. So IF ducati are able to get themselves sorted and have a competative bike next year (and that is one almighty big if) the three aliens will have to ride every race of the season perfectly to not allow anyone else to get on the podium. That ain't gonna happen, even they make mistakes every so often. And who will be next snapping at their heels the whole way? Dovi, NH, Bradle, Cal and whoever gets Bautista's ride. Of those 'second tier' riders, I would hazard to say that Dovi and Hayden are the best right now.

Will Dovi/Hayden be competative for the WC? Eh, thats a bit more of a long shot, but then again, it can and has been argued that Hayden wasn't the fastest rider in 2006, but still took the crown when the dust settled.

dont agree.More often than not the ducs have been behind the japanese GP bikes.I dont think that is going to change anytime soon

[tail_end_charlie]

dont agree.More often than not the ducs have been behind the japanese GP bikes.I dont think that is going to change anytime soon

Well yeah, I was saying that if we put all the riders on competative (read equal) machinery, the riders skill level would show you the three aliens as the best, and then Dovi and Hayden would be the best of the rest. But thats neither here nor there, cause it'll never happen. So I guess I was trying to make a bit of a moot point.

And yeah, for the most part the Duc has been behind the Jap bikes, although they did have a couple of years ('06~'08) that they pretty much on par with the Jap bikes. (Having a great rider in CS didn't hurt either.)

[pritch]

Lorenzo has only got better since.

And so it seems has Pedrosa. I didn't rate the dwarf quite as high as the other aliens, sure he was good for a couple of wins each season but... His recent head to head effort against Lorenzo though may have opened up a whole new range of possibilities. Hopefully the two of them can keep the racing interesting until Stoner returns and complicates things further?

[Drew]

And yeah, for the most part the Duc has been behind the Jap bikes, although they did have a couple of years ('06~'08) that they pretty much on par with the Jap bikes. (Having a great rider in CS didn't hurt either.)Lots more speed on the straights, and a rider with exceptional ability to push with no feel.

[merv]

I don't like his chances. But to me...he's already a better racer than Ago was.

I for one never knock Ago, his record was outstanding, and after all those years on 4 strokes including many races at the Isle of Man he showed how good he was by changing to the 2 strokes and winning 2 more world championships late in his career as well as winning the Daytona 200 on his first attempt. It wasn't just his first attempt at Daytona it was his first race for Yamaha. Many Yanks would envy the fact he'd managed that after years of trying. Is Rossi that good? Maybe, but to say he is better could be a hard one to prove.

Ago won his last GP aged 34, Rossi won his last GP (will it be his last, that is a big question?) at age 31.

The jury has taken a recession on Rossi for now.

Haha can't wait for him to get back on the Yamaha though, but I would have preferred him on a Honda.

[Drew]

but I would have preferred him on a Honda.You do meet the nicest people after all.

[merv]

You do meet the nicest people after all.

Haha like when I saw you out on the ol' Hornet a few times huh?

[Drew]

Haha like when I saw you out on the ol' Hornet a few times huh? I made it not gay by riding on one wheel more than too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lots more speed on the straights, and a rider with exceptional ability to push with no feel.

If you go back and watch the 07 season again mate...think you'll discover a hell of a lot of Stoners perceived 'speed' was simply his super early and hard drive out of corners. I don't recall the other Ducati looking quite that fast.

[merv]

His "perceived speed" was "real speed" then eh Pete!

[Drew]

If you go back and watch the 07 season again mate...think you'll discover a hell of a lot of Stoners perceived 'speed' was simply his super early and hard drive out of corners. I don't recall the other Ducati looking quite that fast.Yeah yeah, no one gives him enough credit untill they've got his cock in their mouth. We get it.

[denill]

Spies: <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Sep/120905b.htm>"Everyone will know something more this week."</A>

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Sep/120906a.htm

[DidJit]

Speaking of Elbowz, his prospective team mate, Crazy Joe (http://motomatters.com/news/2012/09/06/andrea_iannone_laps_mugello_faster_than_.html?utm_ source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter), may be starting to get his head around the Duc...

[denill]

Speaking of Elbowz, his prospective team mate, Crazy Joe (http://motomatters.com/news/2012/09/06/andrea_iannone_laps_mugello_faster_than_.html?utm_ source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter), may be starting to get his head around the Duc...

And the first comment on that article - "That is very impressive. I would love to see this guy in MotoGP. He's fast but crashes quite a lot, but Stoner and Marquez have shown that it's a lot easier to stop crashing than to be made to go faster." is so very, very true..............

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah yeah, no one gives him enough credit untill they've got his cock in their mouth. We get it.

Mate...if I can't simply say something without it being taken as I want to suck his cock...put me on ignore you fucking retard. What a sad cunt.

[Drew]

Mate...if I can't simply say something without it being taken as I want to suck his cock...put me on ignore you fucking retard. What a sad cunt.


C'mon man, do you need a hug?

[Crasherfromwayback]

C'mon man, do you need a hug?

Not at all Drew. But you're starting to sound like more of a stuck record than I am.

[Drew]

Not at all Drew. But you're starting to sound like more of a stuck record than I am.

Different record and artist. I'm finally admitting the dude is great. Poking fun at you is just a perk.

"Sad cunt". Indeed!

Hehehehehehe

[Mental Trousers]

Speaking of Elbowz, his prospective team mate, Crazy Joe (http://motomatters.com/news/2012/09/06/andrea_iannone_laps_mugello_faster_than_.html?utm_ source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter), may be starting to get his head around the Duc...

Seems the only thing that can be confirmed about Ben Spies next year is that he won't be riding a Yamaha or a Suzuki in any series. Other than that, who knows.

[denill]

Seems the only thing that can be confirmed about Ben Spies next year is that he won't be riding a Yamaha or a Suzuki in any series. Other than that, who knows.

<a href=http://motomatters.com/news/2012/09/05/2013_motogp_rider_line_up_the_story_so_f.html> The very professional David Emmett's take on the 2013 line up:</A>

[denill]

<a href=http://motomatters.com/news/2012/09/05/2013_motogp_rider_line_up_the_story_so_f.html> The very professional David Emmett's take on the 2013 line up:</A>

And a comment from that article that I think may possibly hold water:

"It's my belief that the Yamaha/Rossi courting started at the beginning of the year and Spies was told to look for another ride shortly there after. My guess is the run of bad luck has come from a team and rider that no longer had any stake in their results. I think Yamaha burned the bridge to Spies not vice-verse. I sure hope if he does end up with Ducati he can make it dance and not just pile on more disappointment."

[Mental Trousers]

And a comment from that article that I think may possibly hold water:

"It's my belief that the Yamaha/Rossi courting started at the beginning of the year and Spies was told to look for another ride shortly there after. My guess is the run of bad luck has come from a team and rider that no longer had any stake in their results. I think Yamaha burned the bridge to Spies not vice-verse. I sure hope if he does end up with Ducati he can make it dance and not just pile on more disappointment."

I'd believe that. Although Yamaha claimed that Rossi approached them later in the season rather than at the start of the year.

Although he does say in that same article


Yamaha's initial plan for 2013 was to have Jorge Lorenzo and Ben Spies continue their partnership for the next season. Lorenzo was their first priority, and they signed a deal very early with the Spaniard, then waited for Ben Spies to score some results before offering him a deal. But Spies' shocking season led to a shock decision, to leave the Factory Yamaha team - and indeed, Yamaha, and any chance of ever riding for Yamaha again in the future - at the end of the year.

[denill]

I'd believe that. Although Yamaha claimed that Rossi approached them later in the season rather than at the start of the year.

Although he does say in that same article

I have trouble accepting that there was not something rotting in the Yamaha camp when one, yeah, just the one side of the garage encountered so much 'bad luck'.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I have trouble accepting that there was not something rotting in the Yamaha camp when one, yeah, just the one side of the garage encountered so much 'bad luck'.

Think you'll find that's down to Spies's crew being out of their depth. He had a fair amount of 'bad luck' on hi R1 Superbike too no?

[Drew]

I have trouble accepting that there was not something rotting in the Yamaha camp when one, yeah, just the one side of the garage encountered so much 'bad luck'.I seriously doubt there is anything more sinister than as Crasher says below.


Think you'll find that's down to Spies's crew being out of their depth. He had a fair amount of 'bad luck' on hi R1 Superbike too no?On the R1 it was just a running out of gas problem wasn't it? Don't remember anything else going wrong with it, but I have a history of short memory syndrome.

[pritch]

I have trouble accepting that there was not something rotting in the Yamaha camp when one, yeah, just the one side of the garage encountered so much 'bad luck'.

I wondered something similar, just for a moment. Collapsing swing arms and engines turning to shrapnel, however, could result in someone getting seriously hurt. So a "conspiracy" of some sort seems extremely unlikely.

[denill]

I wondered something similar, just for a moment. Collapsing swing arms and engines turning to shrapnel, however, could result in someone getting seriously hurt. So a "conspiracy" of some sort seems extremely unlikely.

Yeah, you're right of course. When I said "rotting" I was probably meaning more like, "Don't spend too much resource on Spies", sort of thing. Hence, lotsa 'bad luck' has happened this year..

I think he has been in the naughty Yamaha corner for awhile now. (Could be due to Mother's meddling?) I remember him saying when he went to the factory team, he would happy to spend the rest of his career with Yamaha. Looks like the honeymoon did not last, for whatever reason. Another book to read one day................

[merv]

Can't that boy Spies get another manager? Declare himself gay or something and demand a bloke for a manager?

[BMWST?]

but arent a good number of Bens crew form previous days?Surely they cant be that bad at there jobs?

[Crasherfromwayback]

but arent a good number of Bens crew form previous days?Surely they cant be that bad at there jobs?

Think he dragged a fair few along from his AMA days via World Superbikes. Hence out of their depth perhaps. Pretty sure he had a rearset/footpeg fall off/come lose on his Superbike etc. At that level...not so good.

[BMWST?]

Think he dragged a fair few along from his AMA days via World Superbikes. Hence out of their depth perhaps. Pretty sure he had a rearset/footpeg fall off/come lose on his Superbike etc. At that level...not so good.
he has some strange ones....i recall the "hoseclamp" thing.He needs to hire Caseys crew

[denill]

but arent a good number of Bens crew form previous days?Surely they cant be that bad at there jobs?

I think he only has Tom Houseman from his AMA days and presently his crew chief. He was having a few glitches on his WSBK and that was Ben's call to help clean up the act.

[tigertim20]

he has some strange ones....i recall the "hoseclamp" thing.He needs to hire Caseys crew

thats a brilliant idea, they clearly have their heads on right, and can do their part of the job well, leaving casey to do his thing. this might just work for him, but, can he afford them?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think he only has Tom Houseman from his AMA days and presently his crew chief. He was having a few glitches on his WSBK and that was Ben's call to help clean up the act.


thats a brilliant idea, they clearly have their heads on right, and can do their part of the job well, leaving casey to do his thing. this might just work for him, but, can he afford them?

Did I hear somewhere that some of them were heading back to Ducati?

[tail_end_charlie]

Did I hear somewhere that some of them were heading back to Ducati?

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Aug/120831f.htm

Yeah, looks like they are headed back to Ducati, but this article lends them to wrenching for Dovi. After fiasco that this season has been for Ben, I think it might be a good idea to clean house a little bit as far as the team goes.

[roogazza]

Something to gaze at until the next GP.

The odd wheelie happening here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7_WAeCe8oE&feature=player_embedded

[denill]

Seems the only thing that can be confirmed about Ben Spies next year is that he won't be riding a Yamaha or a Suzuki in any series. Other than that, who knows.

And he won't be riding a BMW WSBK either.

http://motomatters.com/news/2012/09/09/wsbk_news_chaz_davies_signs_with_bmw_for.html

[tail_end_charlie]

http://www.motomatters.com/interview/2012/09/11/ben_spies_on_doping_in_motorcycle_racing.html

Really interested to see where Ben ends up racing next year and all that Moto Matters can ask about is Doping in MotoGP? Seriously?!?!

[DidJit]

David Emmett often digs out interviews when there's a bit of a gap between races. Ben's not giving anything up anyway (even though the Italian media have almost taken it as a given that Elbowz and Crazy Joe will be on Ducs in Pramac colours next year).

[slowpoke]

http://www.motomatters.com/interview/2012/09/11/ben_spies_on_doping_in_motorcycle_racing.html

Really interested to see where Ben ends up racing next year and all that Moto Matters can ask about is Doping in MotoGP? Seriously?!?!

I dunno, it's kinda interesting. Look at say WSBK where the top 15 at the last round qualified within 1 second of each other, prior to Superpole. Tiny fractions of a second here and there can be the difference between a satellite and a factory ride, or 3rd row vs front row. People must be exploring their chemical options, surely.

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Sep/120910a.htm

[Ivan]

I dunno, it's kinda interesting. Look at say WSBK where the top 15 at the last round qualified within 1 second of each other, prior to Superpole. Tiny fractions of a second here and there can be the difference between a satellite and a factory ride, or 3rd row vs front row. People must be exploring their chemical options, surely.

I dont think it would benifit to be honest, at the gym an rugby we use super pump or a gym pre workout designed just to help you have the energy to get one more rep out and most guys play rugby with it I have to as you can run quick bursts real easy

id never race with it because i dont think enhancing things are safer for people around me i took my motox bike out to a local track and on my own tested it took super pump and rode and my focus was alot less my muscles pumped up which its designed to do but gave me arm pump etc and overall my riding was really shit

but thats just my own opinion i wont do drugs so cant give you a run down on that

[slowpoke]

I dont think it would benifit to be honest, at the gym an rugby we use super pump or a gym pre workout designed just to help you have the energy to get one more rep out and most guys play rugby with it I have to as you can run quick bursts real easy

id never race with it because i dont think enhancing things are safer for people around me i took my motox bike out to a local track and on my own tested it took super pump and rode and my focus was alot less my muscles pumped up which its designed to do but gave me arm pump etc and overall my riding was really shit

but thats just my own opinion i wont do drugs so cant give you a run down on that

There are alot more chemicals/drugs out there than just the stuff that makes ya big and angry...though I can well understand why that would be your focus in Featherston :Pokey: (joking)

Nah, if golfer's can take beta blockers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_blocker) to control nerves yet not compromise motor functions, then there must be more gear available that will heighten awareness or reduce reaction times without compromising your physical performance. We're only talking fractions of a second that all add up during a lap/race.

No good for me, I need a helluva lot more than fractions of a second....still, if you can by it by the kilo.........

[Trudes]

Ahhh, if only I could find talent and balls in pill form. ;)

[denill]

http://www.motomatters.com/interview/2012/09/11/ben_spies_on_doping_in_motorcycle_racing.html

Really interested to see where Ben ends up racing next year

Done and dusted

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/183878/1/ben_spies_iannone_secure_2013_motogp_seats.html

[roogazza]

Done and dusted

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/183878/1/ben_spies_iannone_secure_2013_motogp_seats.html

Wonder if Ducati are getting 4 for the price of Rossi Bill ?
I suppose getting in with a factory is Spies best chance of a decent pay cheque, where else could he go ?

[tail_end_charlie]

Done and dusted

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/183878/1/ben_spies_iannone_secure_2013_motogp_seats.html

Yep, will be interesting to see if Ducati can pull their finger out of their a$$ and get some results. Course, I guess people have been saying that since Rossi joined in 2011, but eventually it will have to happen............hopefully.

Will be interesting to see how 'Crazy Joe' does on the Duc as well. Ducati should have a pretty good team next year. There is no denying that Ben, Dovi and Nicky are some pretty fast riders, maybe not the top aliens, but definately the best of the rest. Throw in Crazy Joe and things will hopefully be a little more exciting. :yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Throw in Crazy Joe and things will hopefully be a little more exciting. :yes:

Yeah he's a hard charger for sure!

[tbs]

Next year is shaping up to be a very interesting season. Looking forward to it.... but first, the remainder of this season... and the new track season..... hooray.

Happy to see Spies staying on, and Crazy Joe should make things very interesting.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Next year is shaping up to be a very interesting season. Looking forward to it.... but first, the remainder of this season... .

I'm looking forward to the rest of the season for sure! I've missed the action over the last few weeks.

[denill]

Wonder if Ducati are getting 4 for the price of Rossi Bill ?
I suppose getting in with a factory is Spies best chance of a decent pay cheque, where else could he go ?

Yeah Gaz. It must have been a pretty bad atmosphere at Yamaha for Ben to jump (If he did in fact jump?) as he was famous as one who could stare down Matt Miladin. He's no whoose.

Great to see him still in the mix as we have not seen the best of him yet. I won't be surprised if between those four they don't get Ducati at the pointy end, again. :yes:

[tail_end_charlie]

So that just leaves the Gresini seat as the only prototype seat left unconfirmed. I read that they were talking to Redding about riding for them, but that they haven't exactly told Bautista to go find another ride.

Pretty much all the CRT seats are in the wind. Be interesting to see if De Puniet signs on for another year, he and Aleix have been doing pretty good on the ART bikes. Their qualifying times are still about 2 seconds down on the lead prototypes though, wonder if the new CRT control ECU will help or hinder them in comparison to the prototypes? Also haven't heard any more rumblings about the production race bikes from Honda or Suzuki, would be interesting to see if that actually happens and how they mix with the CRTs.

[DidJit]

Hope somebody does something to close the gap. Not as many "satellite spec" bikes will be fielded next year methinks (murmurings and rumours of Cal's, Stefan's and possibly Gresini's 2013 bikes being factory spec, plus Pramac will have factory spec Ducs as well), so the gap between the prototypes and CRTs will be even more obvious if things stay the same in the CRT camp.

C'mon Royal Dutch Shell, Exxon Mobil, Walmart, BP, Toyota Motor, Chevron, ING Group, Total, GM, ConocoPhillips — jump on the MotoGP train and help fund some more prototypes on the grid!

[Trudes]

Yahhh Nicky's back!!:wings:

[rachprice]

What's the bet I can find motogp in a Kenyan town?

[Crasherfromwayback]

What's the bet I can find motogp in a Kenyan town?

Easy as!!!

[roogazza]

Easy as!!!

Rach still away Bud ? You'll become a funny shape with one big muscular arm that has a hulk like grip. :sweatdrop :innocent:

Johnny Rea for the win Sunday ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rach still away Bud ? You'll become a funny shape with one big muscular arm that has a hulk like grip. :sweatdrop :innocent:

Johnny Rea for the win Sunday ?

Don't catch up with Rach till Phillip Island mate!

Think Lorenzo will do the bizz this weekend.

[DidJit]

Bit of a read (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/09/13/2012_misano_thursday_round_up_of_fallen_.html?utm_ source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MotoGPMatters+%28MotoMatters% 29) in anticipation of the weekend...

[denill]

Bit of a read (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/09/13/2012_misano_thursday_round_up_of_fallen_.html?utm_ source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MotoGPMatters+%28MotoMatters% 29) in anticipation of the weekend...

Thanks. Good read.

Rather like: "In some ways, it's easier if you don't know anything else when you come to Ducati" Hayden said." (Re Iannone.)

[DidJit]

I liked Nicky's quip,"I think they'd take another Casey right now!" :lol: Still, there's a bit of excitement in next year's Ducati camp, which is a good thing for them. :yes:

[tail_end_charlie]

Bit of a read (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/09/13/2012_misano_thursday_round_up_of_fallen_.html?utm_ source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MotoGPMatters+%28MotoMatters% 29) in anticipation of the weekend...

A quote from that article:
"Honda threatening to leave MotoGP and go to WSBK because of the lack of technical freedom in MotoGP is like an artist threatening to defect from China because of a lack of artistic freedom, and go and live in North Korea."

Ha ha ha, love it! David Emmett is a damn fine writer and evidently has a pretty damn good view of how things operate in MotoGP. I really like the was he presents the info on his site too. Anyways, on to the important matters......

I like what he said about the rules in World SBK, but I would still wish that they would tighten them up even more. The bikes that are used WSBK are so far removed from the actual production bikes that its hardly fair to compare them. My idea of a fair world of racing:

Superstock - Remove the road going gear and make necessary safety mods, slicks, and race'em. As close to bone stock as possible.

WSBK - At least in the same ball park as the production bikes. Retain the orginal swingarm, frame, engine, fuel tank location, and stock ECU. Allow mods of the shock linkage, forks, brakes, and run with a spec piggyback ECU module that would allow manipulation of the stock ECU, but nothing really elaborate. In other words if the bike comes with a stock ECU traction control system, you can tweak it with the piggyback module; but if it doesn't have a traction control system stock, then you can't add one. Also impliment a engine rule like currently in MotoGP (number of engines = number of rounds/2).

Moto2 - Open to engine development along the same lines as MotoGP but with a sophisticated spec ECU. Engine rule like currently in MotoGP

MotoGP - Open up the rules on engine development to allow people to think and try to come up with different engine layouts to challenge the 4 cylinder dominace.

I would like to see them stay away from a spec ECU in MotoGP, just so that the 'premier class' is where the factories can go all out on prototypes and allow the creative juices flow. If Moto2 were opened up to engine development there would be a opportunity for smaller Tom, Dick and Harry builders to try their hand at making steps forward in motocycle design, while hopefully the factories concentrate on the MotoGP class. May need some rules for Moto2 that restrict the ability of factories to make entries into that series.

[White trash]

Here's an interesting thought. The last time Ben Spies jumped on an under developed, unproven machine and raced it, he won a world championship. Convincingly too.

No secret I'm a big Spies fan and I hope like fuck he can do what Stoner did on the Ducati.

[Kiwi Graham]

Here's an interesting thought. The last time Ben Spies jumped on an under developed, unproven machine and raced it, he won a world championship. Convincingly too.

No secret I'm a big Spies fan and I hope like fuck he can do what Stoner did on the Ducati.

Ducati (with the help of Audi) will have to develop the bike in a slightly different direction though eh!

Ben is all corner speed and lean angle but the Ducati is upright and straight line speed at the moment.

[McWild]

I feel a bit sorry for Ianonne, he's possibly my favourite Moto2 rider. Kind of poetic really, his great rival Marquez jumping straight on what is possibly the best bike in the series, and him jumping on what is possibly (probably) the worst.

I think this is the last we'll see of him. People used to talk up Barbera too. Just another victim to add to Ducati's obituaries.

I also think Ben will fail miserably in the Duc Jr team (also known as the "making-up-the-numbers team") and this year will be the last we'll see of him before he disappears into something else, and probably not a GP team either.


The better question is really, who will drop out to WSBK in '14? Who will drop out of racing full stop in '14?

Dark days.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Here's an interesting thought. The last time Ben Spies jumped on an under developed, unproven machine and raced it, he won a world championship. Convincingly too.

No secret I'm a big Spies fan and I hope like fuck he can do what Stoner did on the Ducati.

Be great to see Spies do it...but it would seem his confidence is at an all time low...and I doubt the Ducati will help that. Bet the Italians tell his Momma to go fuck herself before too long as well.

[tail_end_charlie]

Be great to see Spies do it...but it would seem his confidence is at an all time low...and I doubt the Ducati will help that. Bet the Italians tell his Momma to go fuck herself before too long as well.

His confidence may be very low right now, but at least he knows that he is going into a whole new team (how much of his old team is coming with him?) on a whole new bike. Not only that, it really wouldn't take much of a season in 2013 to do better than this year, so he has a lot of room to show improvement. Plus I would wager that most everyone, no matter what they say, don't really expect Ducati to do much better next year, so there is a pretty low expectation for all the riders. To me those all sound like positive points, the only negative being that he's going to be on a Ducati, so ............ yeah ...........................

[White trash]

Ben is all corner speed and lean angle but the Ducati is upright and straight line speed at the moment.

But is he? Spies' comments since day one in MotoGp have been that he finds it difficult to come to terms with the sheer amount of side grip the tyres have and that he finds it easier after 2/3 race distance when everyone's lost a little grip. Hardly words by someone who's big on corner speed and lean angle, you'd think he'd be going "Yahoo, this is me!"

[denill]

Here's an interesting thought. The last time Ben Spies jumped on an under developed, unproven machine and raced it, he won a world championship. Convincingly too.

No secret I'm a big Spies fan and I hope like fuck he can do what Stoner did on the Ducati.

Yeah, I'm not into the hero worshiping thing, but Spies is the guy who I would most like to see succeed in 2013 - now that CS is gone. :yes:

[tail_end_charlie]

Yeah, I'm not into the hero worshiping thing, but Spies is the guy who I would most like to see succeed in 2013 - now that CS is gone. :yes:

^^^ Ain't that the truth.

[Crasherfromwayback]

- now that CS is gone. :yes:

Yeah I'm gonna have to find myself a new BF.

[denill]

Yeah I'm gonna have to find myself a new BF.

In 2013 no one can take the piss outa ya for your CS "relationship", lol :facepalm:

Guess they will find something else OK.

[Crasherfromwayback]

In 2013 no one can take the piss outa ya for your CS "relationship", lol :facepalm:

Guess they will find something else OK.

I'll simply admire whoever is the fastest cat out there at the time! All systems normal.

[Drew]

Goooo pedro!!!

[BMWST?]

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1
9
Danilo PETRUCCI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Danilo+Petrucci)
ITA
Came IodaRacing Project
Ioda-Suter
252.0
1'43.178



2
51
Michele PIRRO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Michele+Pirro)
ITA
San Carlo Honda Gresini
FTR
261.5
1'43.327
0.149 / 0.149


3
77
James ELLISON (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/James+Ellison)
GBR
Paul Bird Motorsport
ART
259.2
1'45.730
2.552 / 2.403


4
44
David SALOM (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/David+Salom)
SPA
Avintia Blusens
BQR
257.4
1'46.886
3.708 / 1.156


5
11
Ben SPIES (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Ben+Spies)
USA
Yamaha Factory Racing
Yamaha
265.6
1'48.298
5.120 / 1.412


6
69
Nicky HAYDEN (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Nicky+Hayden)
USA
Ducati Team
Ducati
263.8
1'48.409
5.231 / 0.111


7
68
Yonny HERNANDEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Yonny+Hernandez)
COL
Avintia Blusens
BQR
254.6
1'48.553
5.375 / 0.144



54
Mattia PASINI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Mattia+Pasini)
ITA
Speed Master
ART
258.7
1'50.482
7.304 / 1.929



5
Colin EDWARDS (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Colin+Edwards)
USA
NGM Mobile Forward Racing
Suter
250.3
1'53.064
9.886 / 2.582

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no one else went out

[BMWST?]

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1
17
Karel ABRAHAM (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Karel+Abraham)
CZE
Cardion AB Motoracing
Ducati
273.6
1'42.030



2
77
James ELLISON (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/James+Ellison)
GBR
Paul Bird Motorsport
ART
258.9
1'43.204
1.174 / 1.174


3
51
Michele PIRRO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Michele+Pirro)
ITA
San Carlo Honda Gresini
FTR
257.5
1'44.299
2.269 / 1.095


4
68
Yonny HERNANDEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Yonny+Hernandez)
COL
Avintia Blusens
BQR
261.6
1'44.565
2.535 / 0.266


5
56
Jonathan REA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jonathan+Rea)
GBR
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
275.6
1'44.999
2.969 / 0.434


6
9
Danilo PETRUCCI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Danilo+Petrucci)
ITA
Came IodaRacing Project
Ioda-Suter
250.6
1'45.048
3.018 / 0.049


7
44
David SALOM (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/David+Salom)
SPA
Avintia Blusens
BQR
259.3
1'46.351
4.321 / 1.303


8
11
Ben SPIES (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Ben+Spies)
USA
Yamaha Factory Racing
Yamaha
266.5
1'46.471
4.441 / 0.120



14
Randy DE PUNIET (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Randy+de+Puniet)
FRA
Power Electronics Aspar
ART
255.5
1'50.103
8.073 / 3.632



54
Mattia PASINI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Mattia+Pasini)
ITA
Speed Master
ART
252.4
1'50.641
8.611 / 0.538



19
Alvaro BAUTISTA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Alvaro+Bautista)
SPA
San Carlo Honda Gresini
Honda
268.7
1'50.977
8.947 / 0.336

</tbody>


no one else went out in FP2must be pretty sketchy conditions

[denill]

Be great to see Spies do it...but it would seem his confidence is at an all time low...

Dennis Noyes writes about Spies' conundrum:<a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-spies-resets-aims-for-no-regrets/> "But in MotoGP I know I haven't got the most out of what I can do. "That is what I had to think a lot about it, and I don't want regrets in five years knowing that I left something out and didn't reach my full potential."</A>

[Crasherfromwayback]

"But in MotoGP I know I haven't got the most out of what I can do. "That is what I had to think a lot about it, and I don't want regrets in five years knowing that I left something out and didn't reach my full potential."</A>

I believe it.

[DidJit]

Also, weather (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/09/14/2012_misano_motogp_friday_round_up_the_w.html) takes centre stage and Preziosi (http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201209148199/Preziosi-ecco-la-verita-sullo-sviluppo.html) speaks.

[denill]

Also, weather (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/09/14/2012_misano_motogp_friday_round_up_the_w.html) takes centre stage and Preziosi (http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201209148199/Preziosi-ecco-la-verita-sullo-sviluppo.html) speaks.

Prezioso was a good read.

Hayden says it like it is: Nicky Hayden, when asked for advice for the riders joining Ducati for next year. "Forget about trying to adapt the bike to suit you", Hayden said, "you have to learn to adapt your style to the bike".

[Mental Trousers]

Seems this is Yamaha's colour scheme for next year.

Ewww


http://blog.motorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/091312-lorenzo-yamaha-race-blu-livery.jpg

[Crasherfromwayback]

Seems this is Yamaha's colour scheme for next year.

Ewww



Yeah not keen. Always prefered the Yamaha Zipper..especially in Euro White and Red. Even on their dirty bikes.270111

[denill]

Yeah not keen. Always prefered the Yamaha Zipper..especially in Euro White and Red. Even on their dirty bikes.270111

Off topic Pete - but is that another in your collection? Cooool.................

[Crasherfromwayback]

Off topic Pete - but is that another in your collection? Cooool.................

Aye. For sale if you want it!

[Kendog]

Seems this is Yamaha's colour scheme for next year.
If that is next year, Lorenzo has the wrong number on his bike.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If that is next year, Lorenzo has the wrong number on his bike.

He's paying $2.00 at the TAB for tomorrow's race too. Would seem like a pretty good bet I reckon.

[ecko_nzed]

bloody weather is going to make things interesting come qualifying:corn:

[BMWST?]

We do continuous development work on the bike, and maybe Jeremy didn't realize that.
Not very complimentary to JB or the communication between factory and race team

[Brian d marge]

Not very complimentary to JB or the communication between factory and race team




or we didnt have any money and I cant say that

Stephen

[Mental Trousers]

Yeah not keen. Always prefered the Yamaha Zipper..especially in Euro White and Red. Even on their dirty bikes.....

The yellow ones have always been the best mate


http://pix.crash.net/motorsport/360/157517.jpg

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/posters/yamahaLarge.jpg

http://p2m.mbike.com/000/003/773/86364905_d.jpg

[slowpoke]

Bloody hell...is the Yamaha design studio on an island or summat? Can they not flash a piccie 'round the pub and get some feedback? That blue/grey is shite, along with the tacky red anodised frame of a coupla years back. I'm not a fan of the porky cross-plane R1 and this really ain't helping!

[Ivan]

best yamaha colour

http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/products/images/motorcycles/2011_YZ450F_DPBSE_1_l.jpg

[Crasherfromwayback]

The yellow ones have always been the best mate



I do like 'em...because as a kid I used to oooh and ahhhhh over King Kenny's bikes. But I still prefer Euro White/Red.

[denill]

Aye. For sale if you want it!

Thanks Pete - but I've owned a few bikes that have tried to kill me and I reckon that one would..................

[Crasherfromwayback]

Thanks Pete - but I've owned a few bikes that have tried to kill me and I reckon that one would..................

Only if you ride it!

[Trudes]

That's it! We need to pay for the streaming MotoGP thing next year if it means we don't have to listen to those 2 commentator muppets yapping on and stating the fucking obvious any more. They sound like Zippy and George from Rainbow. :brick:

[Wingnut]

That's it! We need to pay for the streaming MotoGP thing next year if it means we don't have to listen to those 2 commentator muppets yapping on and stating the fucking obvious any more. They sound like Zippy and George from Rainbow. :brick:

Yep. I watch Eurosport's coverage for all the GP and WSBK stuff now. Julian Ryder and Toby Moody are excellent in the commentary box. Cant stand watching it on Sky. Especially the WSBK's! One of those commentators really gives me the shits!

[Wingnut]

The yellow ones have always been the best mate


http://pix.crash.net/motorsport/360/157517.jpg

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/posters/yamahaLarge.jpg

http://p2m.mbike.com/000/003/773/86364905_d.jpg

Personally, I preferred the red and white Petronas livery....

[denill]

Only if you ride it!

True..... Ha ha..............

[Crasherfromwayback]

The yellow ones have always been the best mate



I'll see your yellow zipper and raise you a white one.

270175

[Cleve]

Looking like another all race dice between Pedrosa and Lorenzo. With maybe a good battle for 3rd between Spies, Crutchlow, Bautista, Rossi, Bradl and Dovi.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Looking like another all race dice between Pedrosa and Lorenzo. With maybe a good battle for 3rd between Spies, Crutchlow, Bautista, Rossi, Bradl and Dovi.

Who's your pic for third spot? I think Crutchlow.

[BMWST?]

Especially the WSBK's! One of those commentators really gives me the shits!

Screaming Johnny green I suspect.i like the Aussie fella but he speaks too quietly compared to johnny

[BMWST?]

Who's your pic for third spot? I think Crutchlow.

He certainly looks as he has the pace,but if it comes down to tyre management I am going to go with dovi with Bradl as an outside chance, dovi or the doctor if it's wet

[Crasherfromwayback]

dovi or the doctor if it's wet

No way Rossi will win even if it's pissing down.

[pritch]

Screaming Johnny green I suspect.i like the Aussie fella but he speaks too quietly compared to johnny

Green is the commentator, Steve Martin is the comments man. Martin still rides endurance races I think. He was a reigning World Champ last year. Unlike Green he does know that of which he speaks.

I bought the MotoGP coverage and so far have only heard Nik Harris & Gavin Emmett commentating, same as on SKY.

Would I have to use a torrent to get Eurosport?

[lukemillar]

Screaming Johnny green I suspect.i like the Aussie fella but he speaks too quietly compared to johnny

Jonathan Green is such a tool! I wish we could get Eurosport other than a torrent because Sky HD footage is pretty sweet. Jack Burnicle and Jamie Whitham are gold!

[DidJit]

Well, I'm gonna go against the grain and admit that I do like the scheme on Lorenzo & Spies' M1s. :yes: (The R1s not so much though). Yeah yeah yeah, different strokes for different folks. ;)

As you were...

[gammaguy]

Well, I'm gonna go against the grain and admit that I do like the scheme on Lorenzo & Spies' M1s. :yes: (The R1s not so much though). Yeah yeah yeah, different strokes for different folks. ;)

As you were...

Did someone mention strokes?

There's too many of them:oi-grr:

[BMWST?]

No way Rossi will win even if it's pissing down.

pay attention !we were talkin about third place!

[Crasherfromwayback]

pay attention !we were talkin about third place!

lol. Sorry! He won't get third either then.

[tail_end_charlie]

Wow, what can you say about Marc Marquez? I swear I think Pol Espargaro wanted to thump the shit out of the him after that last lap. :bash: Those moves that Marc pulled were just something else. :eek5: And they didn't really look dirty either, just really freakin' good racing. Great to watch, makes Dani and Jorge's last lap battle at Brno look quite tame. :clap:

I can definitely understand why he's moving up into MotoGP next year.

[tbs]

Well that podium was a long long long way down my list of picks.

[tail_end_charlie]

Now that..............was different. Bit of a fiasco at the start (mild understatement) but a good race for 2 - 6. Really interested in two things:

-What on earth happened to Dani Pedrosa's bike on the restart. Looked like they had the front tire warmer get stuck in the brakes or something, cause one of the mechanics was trying to turn the wheel to get the tire warmer off, and it was locked solid. :shit:

-Was Rossi's podium a sign of things to come? Have Ducati actually made some progress? Or was it just that they had a really good baseline setup from the testing two weeks ago, and no one else could get one because of the lack of track time? :scratch:

As of now, Karel Abraham and Hector Barbara don't have MotoGP rides for next year..........................I wonder why...................... :facepalm:

Really disappointed to see Dani more or less out of the title fight though, I was really rooting for him.

[Crasherfromwayback]

-Was Rossi's podium a sign of things to come? Have Ducati actually made some progress? Or was it just that they had a really good baseline setup from the testing two weeks ago, and no one else could get one because of the lack of track time? :scratch:

.

Maybe the home Italian extra 1/2 sec a lap? Either way...makes you wonder how hard he's been trying until now. Awesome effort though regardless.

[roogazza]

That's it! We need to pay for the streaming MotoGP thing next year if it means we don't have to listen to those 2 commentator muppets yapping on and stating the fucking obvious any more. They sound like Zippy and George from Rainbow. :brick:

+1 on that trudes,idiots ! Any language, English would be good.
270206

[DidJit]

Now that..............was different. ...

Agreed! Good to see though. :niceone:


As of now, Karel Abraham and Hector Barbara don't have MotoGP rides for next year..........................I wonder why...................... :facepalm:

Bit unfair on Karel there methinks. His POS Duc is the worst of the POS Ducs. Ducati Corse even supplied Cardion AB an engine that didn't fit (http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2012/09/14/2012_misano_motogp_friday_round_up_the_w.html) their current frame, so it's no wonder he's been having a hard time of it.


... The press release in Czech went into even more detail: before Brno, the team was given a new engine, but it did not fit into the original frame they had been given. They had to modify the frame to make it fit, and even then, this destroyed the weight distribution, forcing Karel Abraham to carry three more kilos to rectify the situation. The bike could not be set up to suit the rider, the rider had to adapt to the bike. ...

[tail_end_charlie]

Bit unfair on Karel there methinks. His POS Duc is the worst of the POS Ducs. Ducati Corse even supplied Cardion AB an engine that didn't fit (http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2012/09/14/2012_misano_motogp_friday_round_up_the_w.html) their current frame, so it's no wonder he's been having a hard time of it.

Yeah, I'm not really trying to blame Karel for the starting fiasco, shit like that happens sometimes. Especially when you have shit equipment and bad support. More what I was refering to was the fact that he lasted like three turns before he crashed out............yet again. He doesn't really show much consistancy and he crashes a lot.

[roogazza]

Was Rossi's podium a sign of things to come? Have Ducati actually made some progress? Or was it just that they had a really good baseline setup from the testing two weeks ago, and no one else could get one because of the lack of track time? :scratch:
Probably the latter, but it made my day.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Probably the latter, but it made my day.

Bet he's now wondering if leaving is still the right thing to do.

[DidJit]

... He doesn't really show much consistency and he crashes a lot.

But how much is down to the bike, and how much is him? ;)


Bet he's now wondering if leaving is still the right thing to do.

Reckon you might see Casey's Cheshire cat grin on Vale's mug at the Valencia test later this year. ;)

[tail_end_charlie]

Who's your pic for third spot? I think Crutchlow.


He certainly looks as he has the pace,but if it comes down to tyre management I am going to go with dovi with Bradl as an outside chance, dovi or the doctor if it's wet


pay attention !we were talkin about third place!


lol. Sorry! He won't get third either then.

Looks like everyone will be eating a bit of crow on that prediction. No one said anything about second.........

[Ivan]

Wow, what can you say about Marc Marquez? I swear I think Pol Espargaro wanted to thump the shit out of the him after that last lap. :bash: Those moves that Marc pulled were just something else. :eek5: And they didn't really look dirty either, just really freakin' good racing. Great to watch, makes Dani and Jorge's last lap battle at Brno look quite tame. :clap:

I can definitely understand why he's moving up into MotoGP next year.

I could see why pol was upset marcquez the knob jockey stuck his foot out so far sideways it blocked off any chance of a pass up the inside he should have just hit the queer cunts leg and broken it in half

[tail_end_charlie]

But how much is down to the bike, and how much is him? ;)



Ok, yeah, a lot of it could be due to the bike. But then again he's crashing more than any other Duc riders in the races. So................

[Crasherfromwayback]

Reckon you might see Casey's Cheshire cat grin on Vale's mug at the Valencia test later this year. ;)

May well do.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Looks like everyone will be eating a bit of crow on that prediction. No one said anything about second.........

See post # 2900

[denill]

Probably the latter, but it made my day.

Even I was pleased to see such a strong ride that showed promise - but Gaz, it should have been up there 18 mths ago. It's a bit fkn late now.

Plus if Stoner and Pedro had been where they shoulda been it would have been a 4th place finish..............

[Crasherfromwayback]

Even I was pleased to see such a strong ride that showed promise - but Gaz, it should have been up there 18 mths ago. It's a bit fkn late now.

Plus if Stoner and Pedro had been where they shoulda been it would have been a 4th place finish..............

I agree it should've been there well before now. But second is second fair and square. Don't matter that Stoner and Pedro were'nt there...because they weren't! Not Rossi's fault they weren't!

[tail_end_charlie]

The 2nd place result definately looks good, especially considering that it is Ducati's home race; but more importantly it looks good because it is the first race with the new frame and swingarm. But is it indicative of actual improvement made by Ducati, or just the combination of circumstances (CS and DP out, others lacking set-up time)?

That question will probaly only be answered after we see how things go at Aragon.

[Oscar]

Plus if Stoner and Pedro had been where they shoulda been it would have been a 4th place finish..............

...and if my Granny had wheels, she'd be a wagon.
It's racing for gawdsake - you gotta stay on the bike, and on track, and to finish first, yada yada...

[denill]

...and if my Granny had wheels, she'd be a wagon.
It's racing for gawdsake - you gotta stay on the bike, and on track, and to finish first, yada yada...

And the gap between Lorenzo and Rossi was a big one and no doubt coulda been bigger. Just putting the 2nd placing in perspective - so youse don't over celebrate.............. ;)

[Brett]

Maybe the home Italian extra 1/2 sec a lap? Either way...makes you wonder how hard he's been trying until now. Awesome effort though regardless.

Bet you're glad you said he wouldn't win and wouldn't get 3rd! You can still honestly say that you were correct in you predictions without having to eat humble pie. :lol:
I don't know what to make of his 2nd place finish...without a few more decent races to compare to it's hard to say it was anything but a statistical outlier. I think he's gonna open up a can 'o whip ass on that Yammie though (at least I hope so).
Gutted for Pedrosa, very random bad luck! maybe Lorenzo will stack out next race and bring it back into contention.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Bet you're glad you said he wouldn't win and wouldn't get 3rd! You can still honestly say that you were correct in you predictions without having to eat humble pie. :lol:
I don't know what to make of his 2nd place finish...without a few more decent races to compare to it's hard to say it was anything but a statistical outlier. I think he's gonna open up a can 'o whip ass on that Yammie though (at least I hope so).
Gutted for Pedrosa, very random bad luck! maybe Lorenzo will stack out next race and bring it back into contention.

lol. I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong though. Pleased I was in a lot of ways. Moto GP without a competitive Rossi ain't the same. Same as I'll miss Stoner. I think, as I've said many times...Rossi will win the gloves off races, he's still the best brawler one on one...but I think Lorenzo on the whole will too fast.

[scrivy]

Why did Pedrosa have to start off the back of the grid?
The commentator said because he started it in pit lane. But it was started on the grid on the stand.

[ecko_nzed]

Why did Pedrosa have to start off the back of the grid?
The commentator said because he started it in pit lane. But it was started on the grid on the stand.

Because he got passed by the safety car on the sighting lap.

[Oscar]

Because he got passed by the safety car on the sighting lap.

It happened before that.
You aren't allowed to work on your bike after the 1 min board - as a result he should have started the warm up lap from pit lane (and he certainly shouldn't have been put back on the grid).
Notwithstanding that, it appears that while all that was going on someone bumped his pit lane limiter - he got passed by the safety car when he was figuring that out.

[Oscar]

And the gap between Lorenzo and Rossi was a big one and no doubt coulda been bigger. Just putting the 2nd placing in perspective - so youse don't over celebrate.............. ;)

Did he get less points for it?
Was he like second-and-half or summat?

[guzzitony]

Did he get less points for it?
Was he like second-and-half or summat?

haha, hi oscar. cheers matey, got my red nose,opps top on sat from Gaz. some nice metal on display.

cheers Guz

[denill]

Why did Pedrosa have to start off the back of the grid?
The commentator said because he started it in pit lane. But it was started on the grid on the stand.

<a href=http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/184036/1/dani_pedrosa_it_was_total_chaos.html>Think this sheds some light</A>

[denill]

Did he get less points for it?
Was he like second-and-half or summat?

OK, you celebrate the occasion then. :clap:

[Cleve]

<a href=http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/184036/1/dani_pedrosa_it_was_total_chaos.html>Think this sheds some light</A>

not really. David Emmett sees it a bit different - as a Pedrosa and team cock up... http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2012/09/17/2012_misano_motogp_sunday_round_up_pedro.html

[Drew]

OK, you celebrate the occasion then. :clap:

I understand how annoyed Pete must get with people hating jet for it's own sake.

[roogazza]

Even I was pleased to see such a strong ride that showed promise - but Gaz, it should have been up there 18 mths ago. It's a bit fkn late now.
Plus if Stoner and Pedro had been where they shoulda been it would have been a 4th place finish..............


I agree it should've been there well before now. But second is second fair and square. Don't matter that Stoner and Pedro were'nt there...because they weren't! Not Rossi's fault they weren't!

Morning boys, I think the stars aligned for Vale in this one, but the test is the next one, always is.
I'm saving my :wari: for next year ! lol.

ps love watching that little guy MM in moto2. Great racing.

[denill]

Morning boys, I think the stars aligned for Vale in this one, but the test is the next one, always is.

Giday Gaz. Yeah one of the many factors that provided that result would be the playing field was leveled with the limited amount of set up time available due to weather. (OK, I know there are other factors)

Maybe all MotoGPs should all have one practice session?? ;) ;)

[tail_end_charlie]

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/..._up_pedro.html

In particular:
"The book that this is being run by is the FIM's Grand Prix Road Racing regulations, but it is a book that very few riders ever consult much."
"But some familiarity with the rules would have helped greatly on Sunday"

Looks like Billy isn't the only person who has trouble getting riders to read and be familar with the rule book.

[Oscar]

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/..._up_pedro.html

In particular:
"The book that this is being run by is the FIM's Grand Prix Road Racing regulations, but it is a book that very few riders ever consult much."
"But some familiarity with the rules would have helped greatly on Sunday"

Looks like Billy isn't the only person who has trouble getting riders to read and be familar with the rule book.

Pedrosa has no real complaint - the restart has to be done as soon as possible and it was mainly his team that was holding it up. He was phucked the moment they wheeled his bike off of the grid.

[imdying]

Rossi's podium should be no surprise... Take the Repsol Honda bikes out and even the shitters are fast :killingme

Anybody know what happen to Pedobear's bike? I refuse to believe that lark the commentators were giving us about the brakes having locked up from heat.

[Oscar]

Rossi's podium should be no surprise... Take the Repsol Honda bikes out and even the shitters are fast :killingme

Anybody know what happen to Pedobear's bike? I refuse to believe that lark the commentators were giving us about the brakes having locked up from heat.

Pedrosa said the brakes were locked, but it looked like a jammed tyre warmer on the front wheel.

[tail_end_charlie]

Pedrosa said the brakes were locked, but it looked like a jammed tyre warmer on the front wheel.

When I watched the race, it looked very much like the brakes were locked up. The mechanic removing the tire warmers tried to rotate the front wheel to get the warmer off, but it was locked solid. That is when he started panicking a little and started jerking on the tire warmer. If it was just the tire warmer stuck in the fender or something like that there would have been a little give in it for the wheel to rotate, but it didn't.

Maybe part of the tire warmer got stuck in the brake caliper and caused the problem? Or maybe someone forgot to release the parking brake........ :facepalm:

[Oscar]

When I watched the race, it looked very much like the brakes were locked up. The mechanic removing the tire warmers tried to rotate the front wheel to get the warmer off, but it was locked solid. That is when he started panicking a little and started jerking on the tire warmer. If it was just the tire warmer stuck in the fender or something like that there would have been a little give in it for the wheel to rotate, but it didn't.

Maybe part of the tire warmer got stuck in the brake caliper and caused the problem? Or maybe someone forgot to release the parking brake........ :facepalm:

You could be right - if you look at Pedrosa just before the false start, he's looking over the fairing at his front wheel.

[denill]

The mechanic removing the tire warmers tried to rotate the front wheel to get the warmer off, but it was locked solid. That is when he started panicking a little and started jerking on the tire warmer.

Watching that at the time my impression was the tyre warmer was jammed under the guard. The mechanic was certainly in a, not often seen at the level, panic.

[tail_end_charlie]

Watching that at the time my impression was the tyre warmer was jammed under the guard. The mechanic was certainly in a, not often seen at the level, panic.

That was my initial thought as well. But when he grabbed the front wheel and tried to rotate it, it didn't move at all. Then I believe he tried to rotate it the other way, and still didn't budge. That he couldn't get it to rotate at all is what made me think that it was more then the tire warmer stuck in the fairing. But other then it getting stuck in the caliper somehow, I can't think of any other way for the brakes to lock. And then how did they get it resolved so quickly when it was wheeled into pit lane when they couldn't get it on the grid. Was it just that the first mechanic was panicking? Or did they need a tool to release things, so they had to wheel it into pit lane to follow the rules? I think the latter may have some basis; since it was going into pit lane, someone also thought to switch on the pit lane limiter for Dani to start the warm up lap from pit lane. But then they wheeled the bike back to the grid (looked like Dani was telling them to do so) and it took a little bit for Dani to get it switched off, hence the pace car passing him.

Whatever specifically happened, I think that its a good example of even one the best pit crews royally screwing up. Would have been interesting to listen to their post race AAR.

[imdying]

Yeah, something like that makes more sense. There simply wasn't sufficient energy expelled from stopping at the start to boil fluid, so I didn't buy that spiel.

[DidJit]

You fellas going to Phillip Island this year are in for a treat (http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2012/September/GP_Doohan.htm)...

[Crasherfromwayback]

You fellas going to Phillip Island this year are in for a treat (http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2012/September/GP_Doohan.htm)...

Yeah I'm looking forward to it. The super cross masters is on on Sat night too on the Island behind Lukey Heights. Fuggin awesome!

[tail_end_charlie]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Sep/12091846.htm

Interesting viewpoint on Rossi and Ducati. I'm all for Ducati becoming more competative next year, not really sure they will be but one can wish......

[tail_end_charlie]

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/trackside-tuesday-dani-pedrosa-misano-tire-warmer/#more-35311

And another viewpoint on the Pedrosa incident. Scott Jones makes a good point about the pit crews and how they only get really noticed when they screw up.

[Oscar]

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/trackside-tuesday-dani-pedrosa-misano-tire-warmer/#more-35311

And another viewpoint on the Pedrosa incident. Scott Jones makes a good point about the pit crews and how they only get really noticed when they screw up.

Yup, anyone that's ever worked on a pit crew will emphasise with that. We were at the Castrol Six Hour one year and the TV crew turned up to interview the crew chief. As they were filming, the hose clamp failed on the refuelling hose at the highest point on the tower, dumping 20l of gas from eight feet. Fortunately it wasn’t live, coz all they got was a lot of screaming & swearing.

If yer lucky, you get to work for some good guys (and for me it was Peter Clifford and Mike Webb), who appreaciate the work you do.

[denill]

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/trackside-tuesday-dani-pedrosa-misano-tire-warmer/#more-35311

And another viewpoint on the Pedrosa incident. Scott Jones makes a good point about the pit crews and how they only get really noticed when they screw up.

That's a great link to Scott Jones. Everyone, yes everyone will appreciate his (Facebook) pic of CS - I think....................

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=486129848065940&set=a.374045425941050.96944.186723271339934&type=1&theater

[McWild]

I wish no bad luck on Pedrosa, in fact at this point in time I would be equally happy to see him or Lorenzo take the championship, but...

This kinda evens out the fairness of the championship in a way, doesn't it? No doubt Pedrosa has had an amazing season thus far, but the whole time Lorenzo's has been that little bit better.

In fact the only point in which Lorenzo's championship contention has really suffered was, well, when he was taken out in the early stages by someone without a hope of beating him.

So now, Pedrosa has one DNF due to a less experienced rider, and so does Lorenzo. If everything goes well for the two of them, in terms of finishing, for the rest of the season, wouldn't that be a slightly more "fair" championship than one where Pedrosa had the chance to catch up largely because of a Lorenzo DNF?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I wish no bad luck on Pedrosa, in fact at this point in time I would be equally happy to see him or Lorenzo take the championship, but...

This kinda evens out the fairness of the championship in a way, doesn't it? No doubt Pedrosa has had an amazing season thus far, but the whole time Lorenzo's has been that little bit better.

In fact the only point in which Lorenzo's championship contention has really suffered was, well, when he was taken out in the early stages by someone without a hope of beating him.

So now, Pedrosa has one DNF due to a less experienced rider, and so does Lorenzo. If everything goes well for the two of them, in terms of finishing, for the rest of the season, wouldn't that be a slightly more "fair" championship than one where Pedrosa had the chance to catch up largely because of a Lorenzo DNF?

I kinda sort of agree. But that's racing as it were. Just lucky it's worked out that way.

[Reckless]

I wish no bad luck on Pedrosa, in fact at this point in time I would be equally happy to see him or Lorenzo take the championship, but...

This kinda evens out the fairness of the championship in a way, doesn't it? No doubt Pedrosa has had an amazing season thus far, but the whole time Lorenzo's has been that little bit better.

In fact the only point in which Lorenzo's championship contention has really suffered was, well, when he was taken out in the early stages by someone without a hope of beating him.

So now, Pedrosa has one DNF due to a less experienced rider, and so does Lorenzo. If everything goes well for the two of them, in terms of finishing, for the rest of the season, wouldn't that be a slightly more "fair" championship than one where Pedrosa had the chance to catch up largely because of a Lorenzo DNF?

As you all know I've been hoping Pedro would prove everyone's pre season's predictions wrong but gotta agree wtih you also McWild.
Looks like it might be story of the little guys career just not quite got that last 1%. ??
ah well I wont give up on him Racin is racin anything can happen ya never know Lorenzo might bin it on his own on the last lap of the last race :brick:

[tail_end_charlie]

Racin is racin anything can happen ya never know Lorenzo might bin it on his own on the last lap of the last race :brick:

From what Jorge said after the race at Misano, he almost binned it there all on his own. Lap 3 or 4 he had a moment in turn one where he had to pull out the 'ol elbow save just to keep the rubber side down. Wouldn't that have been something? Dani and Jorge crash out, Stoner not there, Rossi wins................oh well, coulda, woulda, shoulda.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Aye. She's sung for Stoner...but not Pedro quite yet!

[Oscar]

Aye. She's sung for Stoner...but not Pedro quite yet!

It ain't over till it's over.
Don't forget that Gorgeous George is short of engines. He's only a couple of pieces of bad luck away from starting from pit row.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It ain't over till it's over.
Don't forget that Gorgeous George is short of engines. He's only a couple of pieces of bad luck away from starting from pit row.

100% agree. Becomming a habbit.

[tail_end_charlie]

It ain't over till it's over.
Don't forget that Gorgeous George is short of engines. He's only a couple of pieces of bad luck away from starting from pit row.


Aye. She's sung for Stoner...but not Pedro quite yet!

Oh yeah, Dani definately still has a shot. Granted, pretty slim when JL has a 38 point lead, but it will look a lot better when JL has to start from pit lane and thread through everyone else. Still five races left........

[Crasherfromwayback]

but it will look a lot better when JL has to start from pit lane and thread through everyone else. Still five races left........

And if anyone can...he can! Like a hot knife through butter!

[Scouse]

lol. Sorry! He won't get third either then.Humble pie much

[Crasherfromwayback]

Humble pie much

Not in the slightest. And he would've even won if Lorenzo crashed. How 'bout that!!?? Just like he would've been a distant fourth had Stoner and Pedro been there. But it doesn't matter. Check my posts remarking how I think it's great he got second. Fair and square. Pity it's taken nearly two years.

[tail_end_charlie]

And if anyone can...he can! Like a hot knife through butter!

Ha ha, yeah, but the guys at the back of the pack don't like it when that happens, just ask Dani....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ha ha, yeah, but the guys at the back of the pack don't like it when that happens, just ask Dani....

Yep. There lies the problem. But Lorenzo goes past people with so much extra pace he'll be gone before they get the chance to fuck him up.

[tail_end_charlie]

Yep. There lies the problem. But Lorenzo goes past people with so much extra pace he'll be gone before they get the chance to fuck him up.

Well, if we see anybody out there with mirrors on their bike, I guess we will know what they are planning on doing........

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well, if we see anybody out there with mirrors on their bike, I guess we will know what they are planning on doing........

The speeds those sick fucks do would just fold ya mirrors back into the fairing!

[tail_end_charlie]

The speeds those sick fucks do would just fold ya mirrors back into the fairing!

They won't get to those speeds in the first couple of corners though, thats the danger zone. JL would be past 80-90% of the paddock in the first lap. Shit, DP made it past all the CRT bikes in like 200 meters!! :shit: (His start was totally awsome to watch, flying past those guys, right up to the point that HB took him out.....)

Course DP started from the back of the grid, where-as in what we're talking about, JL would be starting from pit lane. If it does happen, it'll be totally worth watching him carve through the field.

[Crasherfromwayback]

: (His start was totally awsome to watch, flying past those guys, .

Done a few like that myself. Jumped start be fucked! :-)

[tigertim20]

well anyone who calls moto gp boring certanly didnt watch the misano race!!! very exciting.
what a shambles overall, regardless of who was at fault. I do feel for pedrosa, he is the eternal almost champion, a win there would have made it so fucking close at the end with lorenzo being short on engines and all that it isnt funny. A good point earlier about how this evens things up with both lorenzo and pedrosa having a dnf that wasnt really their fault - but what happens on race day, happens on race day and you got to just eat it and move on. I would have loved it if there were 4-5 points in it with one round to go!


It ain't over till it's over.
Don't forget that Gorgeous George is short of engines. He's only a couple of pieces of bad luck away from starting from pit row.

true. if I were Lorenzo, I would try to make it to phillip island and put a new engine in the bike in aussie. start from pit lane, accept that stoner will win his home GP, and pedrosa will harass him for it, and take the 3rd or 4th place or so, easy points, low risk, and a barely run in engine where he can start front row in the last race.

that way between now and then he can stay consistent, Stoner aint gonna win the championship, and all he has to do between now and auzzie is maintain the current gap, he could come second to pedrosa three times between now and then and still be safe as houses even with a new lump at PI.

of course Id rather see elbow to elbow racing the whole way through, but when a championship is hinged upon tactical decisions due to a lost engine, well, you want the crown on your head at the end really dont you?

[tail_end_charlie]

true. if I were Lorenzo, I would try to make it to phillip island and put a new engine in the bike in aussie. start from pit lane, accept that stoner will win his home GP, and pedrosa will harass him for it, and take the 3rd or 4th place or so, easy points, low risk, and a barely run in engine where he can start front row in the last race.

that way between now and then he can stay consistent, Stoner aint gonna win the championship, and all he has to do between now and auzzie is maintain the current gap, he could come second to pedrosa three times between now and then and still be safe as houses even with a new lump at PI.

of course Id rather see elbow to elbow racing the whole way through, but when a championship is hinged upon tactical decisions due to a lost engine, well, you want the crown on your head at the end really dont you?

If he uses a 7th engine, does he only have to start one race from pit lane? Or all of the remaining races? I would think it would be he later.

[Mental Trousers]

It's a single penalty per engine over the 6 engine limit. So a single race started from pit lane for engine #7. Another pit lane start for engine #8 etc.

[tail_end_charlie]

It's a single penalty per engine over the 6 engine limit. So a single race started from pit lane for engine #7. Another pit lane start for engine #8 etc.

Oh wow, didn't know that it was only one race. Makes it seem like that is a rule without much bite. If they are going to have an engine limit, then they might as well enforce it half decently and make you start from pit lane for every race left in the season once you exceed the 6 engine limit.

[tbs]

And now for some discussion about Moto2 and Scott Redding

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/184085/1/redding_size_more_important_than_skill_in_moto2.ht ml

Bit of debate about this on Crash.net. Not everyone is sympathetic. Lot's of comments along the lines of "lose a couple of kgs and stop whining"... but I feel for the guy. Doing all the hard work passing on the corners and then losing places getting out-dragged on every straight must start to really suck after a while.

[Oscar]

Oh wow, didn't know that it was only one race. Makes it seem like that is a rule without much bite. If they are going to have an engine limit, then they might as well enforce it half decently and make you start from pit lane for every race left in the season once you exceed the 6 engine limit.

Jeez, you're a bit tough!
By it's very nature the rule would only penalise someone at the sharp end of the season where the outcome is critical. A pit row start from Lorenso in any of the remaing races could be potentially critical.

[tbs]

Jeez, you're a bit tough!
By it's very nature the rule would only penalise someone at the sharp end of the season where the outcome is critical. A pit row start from Lorenso in any of the remaing races could be potentially critical.

Yeah, it's only supposed to be a cost saving rule after all. It's not there to totally bugger someone's championship. And especially when you consider that Lorenzo didn't do anything wrong. He was skittled by one Mr Bautista...

[Crasherfromwayback]

So I'll get to see two of my fav racers at the Island after all...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Sep/12091927.htm

[DidJit]

MotoGP needs Casey Stoner more than Dorna leg-breakers ever will admit. It needs his skill. It needs his balls. It needs his vinegar.

Damn straight.

[tail_end_charlie]

And now for some discussion about Moto2 and Scott Redding

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/184085/1/redding_size_more_important_than_skill_in_moto2.ht ml

Bit of debate about this on Crash.net. Not everyone is sympathetic. Lot's of comments along the lines of "lose a couple of kgs and stop whining"... but I feel for the guy. Doing all the hard work passing on the corners and then losing places getting out-dragged on every straight must start to really suck after a while.

Sounds like they originally misquoted his vital stats in the article. They've corrected it now, and the argument for him to lose a couple kilo is pretty ridiculous. He is pretty much the same height and weight as me, and when I was gettin height and weight measures for Army ROTC they were telling me I was just on the min limit. Any lower weight and I would fall into the "counsel for possible anorexia" catagory. Which was pretty ridiculous since I was eating everything in sight at the mess hall......

It makes sense to me that if you are going to have spec engines that produce the same power for everyone, then you should use a combined weight of rider and machine for the min weight. Just like in Moto3. Otherwise your just going to get jockey sized riders on every team.

[tail_end_charlie]

Jeez, you're a bit tough!
By it's very nature the rule would only penalise someone at the sharp end of the season where the outcome is critical. A pit row start from Lorenso in any of the remaing races could be potentially critical.

It would only penalise someone at the sharp end of the season if they didn't really manage thier engine allotment at the begining of the year, or if the engines are a bit 'delicate'. At the end of August it was obvious that Yamaha were playing things the closest to the wire, with all four Yamaha riders on their fifth engine. And two of their engines had grenaded in two different bikes to two different riders. The other manufactures are playing things a little more conservatively. So if you play hard and fast, then chances are you'll get bit. Bringing in a 7th engine is a big advantage to the team that does it, so to balance out that advantage it seems reasonable that every race they start with the 7th engine oughta be from pit lane.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Aug/120831a.htm


Yeah, it's only supposed to be a cost saving rule after all. It's not there to totally bugger someone's championship. And especially when you consider that Lorenzo didn't do anything wrong. He was skittled by one Mr Bautista...

Oh come on now, everyone knows that no factory team reduced their racing budget when the engine rule went into place. Every penny that was 'saved' by only having to build six engines was in turn used in the R & D to increase the engine life. The whole argument that this was cost saving rule when it is enforced in MotoGP is just smoke and mirrors. In fact, the actual cost of building an engine for every race is probably less then the cost of the R & D to find reliable power that allows six engines to last 18 race weekends. So to be honest, the rule probably cost the factories even more money.
Now I like the rule, I think it is very good to force manufactures to find more power in a reliable way, something that truely can trickle down to the actual consumer product at some point in the future.
And if you're going to win a championship, then you have to have a good stratigic plan for the season, as well as a good tactical plan for each race (an no small amount of luck). As far as luck goes, everyone of the top three this season had one DNF due to crashes or being taken out (ignoring the races CS has missed due to injury), so it seems that luck is fairly even so far.

[Badjelly]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Sep/12091927.htm


...the V8 Supercar series, Australia's wildly popular version of NASCAR that races only on road courses.

Yeah, kinda...

Casey Stoner in taxi races? Sigh...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, kinda...

Casey Stoner in taxi races? Sigh...

Yeah such a waste of his talent I reckon. But another one will come along soon enough.

[Mental Trousers]

Jeez, you're a bit tough!
By it's very nature the rule would only penalise someone at the sharp end of the season where the outcome is critical. A pit row start from Lorenso in any of the remaing races could be potentially critical.

It would only penalise someone at the sharp end of the season if they didn't really manage thier engine allotment at the begining of the year, or if the engines are a bit 'delicate' ....

... or if they get skittled by someone else and end up with sand in their brand new engine that got officially sealed earlier that morning.

A single start from pit lane is likely to have a much bigger impact on the result than having another engine will.



Yeah, it's only supposed to be a cost saving rule after all. It's not there to totally bugger someone's championship. And especially when you consider that Lorenzo didn't do anything wrong. He was skittled by one Mr Bautista...

Oh come on now, everyone knows that no factory team reduced their racing budget when the engine rule went into place. Every penny that was 'saved' by only having to build six engines was in turn used in the R & D to increase the engine life. The whole argument that this was cost saving rule when it is enforced in MotoGP is just smoke and mirrors. In fact, the actual cost of building an engine for every race is probably less then the cost of the R & D to find reliable power that allows six engines to last 18 race weekends. So to be honest, the rule probably cost the factories even more money.

Those who have money will always find ways to spend it. The trick is to make it hugely expensive to get ahead of the pack but also to be cheap enough to join that pack.

[jasonu]

Yeah, kinda...

Casey Stoner in taxi races? Sigh...

Hope he does better than Captain Chaos...

[Drew]

Yeah, kinda...

Casey Stoner in taxi races? Sigh...

[QUOTE=Crasherfromwayback;1130400918]He isn't being pushed, he's jumping. No great loss, one of the new boys will get amongst it with Pedro and Jeorge...and maybe Rossi.

[tail_end_charlie]

http://www.motomatters.com/blog/2012/09/19/casey_stoner_elbow_down.html

Really good picture of a damn good rider who will soon be gone. What a loss of talent.

On another train of thought: 27 prints x $750 ea = $20,250 US Damn man, need to get my camera skills up to par.

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.motomatters.com/blog/2012/09/19/casey_stoner_elbow_down.html

Really good picture of a damn good rider who will soon be gone. What a loss of talent.

.

Fuggin cool pic that!

[Drew]

http://www.motomatters.com/blog/2012/09/19/casey_stoner_elbow_down.html

Really good picture of a damn good rider who will soon be gone. What a loss of talent.

On another train of thought: 27 prints x $750 ea = $20,250 US Damn man, need to get my camera skills up to par.I don't think he was selling no.27.

[tigertim20]

Oh wow, didn't know that it was only one race. Makes it seem like that is a rule without much bite. If they are going to have an engine limit, then they might as well enforce it half decently and make you start from pit lane for every race left in the season once you exceed the 6 engine limit.
that seems harsh. If teams were straining soo much power out of the engines that they wre blowing up because of extreme engineering resulting in an advantage on the track,t hen maybe I could inderstand, but what you suggest would likely mean the end of the championship for many riders. Imagine if stoner and pedro DIDNT have their last crashes, what would the points be like now? and if lorenzo had to start 4 races from pit lane? thats silly. starting from pit lane once seems about right to me

Yeah such a waste of his talent I reckon. But another one will come along soon enough.

MM should provide some entertainment once he gets a half dozen races under his belt, and while we wait for that, we will have rossi to watch and examine and be able to dissect his performance to see whats going on there.

The way pedro has been riding lately, I actually think stoner leaving will bring him out of his shell a wee bit - he seems to me to be really at his peak at the moment, and its possible his growth will continue even more without being under the enormous shadow cast over his diminutive figure when stoner shared a garage with him.

also we will have the ducati to watch since it will be their first full season, including pre pace season testing, under new management, and we can hope for a more competitive bike from them too.

should still be plenty to entertain us for next season with stoner gone

[DidJit]

Speaking of next year, Capirex has leaked a provisional calendar (https://twitter.com/LorisCapirossi1/status/248867300659314688/photo/1) on Twitter. Some notes by Motomatters here (http://motomatters.com/news/2012/09/20/2013_motogp_provisional_calendar_leaked_.html).

[BMWST?]

i have got my eye on one of those posters......and a little bit OT..if anyone is heading to OZ i have some aussie cash left over from a trip to Bathurst and the outback lst year.Get in touch you can have it for face value....ie dollar for dollar have got AU$245

[denill]

Speaking of next year, Capirex has leaked a provisional calendar (https://twitter.com/LorisCapirossi1/status/248867300659314688/photo/1) on Twitter. Some notes by Motomatters here (http://motomatters.com/news/2012/09/20/2013_motogp_provisional_calendar_leaked_.html).

<a href=http://motomatters.com/page/2012/09/14/2013_provisional_motogp_rider_line_up.html>And this is who's riding what, at this date:</A>

[BMWST?]

Speaking of next year, Capirex has leaked a provisional calendar (https://twitter.com/LorisCapirossi1/status/248867300659314688/photo/1) on Twitter. Some notes by Motomatters here (http://motomatters.com/news/2012/09/20/2013_motogp_provisional_calendar_leaked_.html).


its hardly leaked when its available to view on motogp .com

[Mental Trousers]

its hardly leaked when its available to view on motogp .com

It's on MotoGP.com because it was leaked.

[BMWST?]

It's on MotoGP.com because it was leaked.

Silly me then

[eelracing]

Two of the best riders of their generation speaking the truth on current riders and the need for electronics.

Kenny Roberts...It's Bullshit!
Wayne Rainey...It's not reality.

Hahaaa gotta love those good ol boys...oh yeah, Jorge mewls something about his frock bunching up.

http://mag.gpweek.com/#folio=23

[Crasherfromwayback]

Two of the best riders of their generation speaking the truth on current riders and the need for electronics.

Kenny Roberts...It's Bullshit!
Wayne Rainey...It's not reality.

Hahaaa gotta love those good ol boys...oh yeah, Jorge mewls something about his frock bunching up.

http://mag.gpweek.com/#folio=23

Yeah I love it. But if todays generation say the same...they're called moaners.

[DidJit]

Different technology, different generations, different people (http://motomatters.com/interview/2011/07/28/kenny_roberts_on_the_yamaha_m1_i_liked_m.html). Ain't ever gonna be like “the good ol’ days!” ;) And I will be saying exactly the same in 20 or so years. :lol:

[Mental Trousers]

Different technology, different generations, different people (http://motomatters.com/interview/2011/07/28/kenny_roberts_on_the_yamaha_m1_i_liked_m.html). Ain't ever gonna be like “the good ol’ days!” ;) And I will be saying exactly the same in 20 or so years. :lol:

His comments don't surprise me. As he says, with the old 500's and earlier bikes they were not right on the limits of Physics, whereas a modern MotoGP bike is. That meant there was wriggle room - a margin between what the bike can do and what Physics says you can do. Guys like him, Wayne Rainey and all the other greats of the 500's era were able to push into that margin when needed. But now, on a modern MotoGP machine, there is no more wriggle room.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But now, on a modern MotoGP machine, there is no more wriggle room.

Don't know I agree with that. Maybe being ridden like they are...as giant 250's. But without the electronics...I think there would be.

[Mental Trousers]

Don't know I agree with that. Maybe being ridden like they are...as giant 250's. But without the electronics...I think there would be.

I'd love to see that. Bet Kenny would've had a ball if they'd turned off all the electronics and not just the wheelie control.

I really hate the idea of a control ECU, but with such a reliance on the electronics in the bikes there's not that many options for levelling out the playing field.

Control ECU's suck arse, despite what they've done for BSB and other series.

[Cleve]

Booked my tickets and heading down from here in Hokkaido to the Motegi GP in a few weeks time. Looking forward to it!

[DidJit]

Pics and report please!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Booked my tickets and heading down from here in Hokkaido to the Motegi GP in a few weeks time. Looking forward to it!

Awesome! Lots of pics on the wee Japanese chicks please!

[imdying]

Two of the best riders of their generation speaking the truth on current riders and the need for electronics.

Kenny Roberts...It's Bullshit!
Wayne Rainey...It's not reality.

Hahaaa gotta love those good ol boys...oh yeah, Jorge mewls something about his frock bunching up.

http://mag.gpweek.com/#folio=23

Mmmm... page 40 of the same mag... "...because Casey it's completely different, because Casey can feel really well which is the best slip ratio to have the maximum of acceleration..... so we usually set the traction control quite high and keep him free to manage by the throttle...".

Doesn't sound like 'bullshit', and as far as 'it's not reality'... well actually, anyone can buy a traction controlled bike for peanuts now, it is indeed reality.

[Brian d marge]

Booked my tickets and heading down from here in Hokkaido to the Motegi GP in a few weeks time. Looking forward to it!
thinking about it this end as well
stephen

[Cleve]

Awesome! Lots of pics on the wee Japanese chicks please!

will do what I can Pete...

[Cleve]

thinking about it this end as well
stephen

let me know. Usually do the whole weekend but this time just flying down from Sapporo on the Saturday - head to a hotel in Utsunomiya, then Monday morning on to Tokyo etc for business...