MotoGP 2012 [Archive] - Page 14

tbs

16th October 2012, 22:53

No. Honda did try a fork lockdown on one of their WSBK bikes at some point, but I'm fairly sure they don't have it on their MotoGP bikes right now. There is some info in that MotoGP Technology book that I lent you, either in the Honda section, or in the back section covering suspension.

Yeah I was reading that bit last night. The Superbike fork had a mechanical push-button release, and the author had been looking for evidence of a fork shortening mechanism on the GP bikes. But, the book is now a couple of seasons out of date and I don't see why any lock-down (and even rear lock-out) couldn't be electronically controlled by the ECU launch control program. All Dani would need to do would be to press his launch control button while still rolling and then grab the front brake hard enough to compress the fork slightly. Hitting the front brake for the first corner could be the switch that turns it off.

Just speculating....

Robert Taylor

17th October 2012, 06:39

That last MotoGP was a bloody bore. I hope Stoner rips their heads off and shits down their necks at the Island. I apologise for thinking Moto 3 was going to be boring. It is fanbloodytastic!!

No, the best thing that can happen will be for Moaner to get done like a dogs dinner on his home turf by two Spaniards, Jorge leading the way. That will be Gods work.

RobGassit

17th October 2012, 07:17

No, the best thing that can happen will be for Moaner to get done like a dogs dinner on his home turf by two Spaniards, Jorge leading the way. That will be Gods work.

Margaret Thatcher was a lesbian..

Drew

17th October 2012, 07:42

Margaret Thatcher was a lesbian..Who hated Jews!

steveyb

17th October 2012, 08:07

And was having a secret affair with Arthur Scargill.......

DidJit

17th October 2012, 08:18

No. Honda did try a fork lockdown...

Yeah, I was reading that bit last night. The Superbike fork had a mechanical push-button release, ...

*Raises hand* Excuse me sirs, could you explain the theory behind why you’d want to shorten the forks on launch? Is it to take advantage of aerodynamics to help keep the front down?

roogazza

17th October 2012, 08:28

Badjelly

17th October 2012, 08:39

*Raises hand* Excuse me sirs, could you explain the theory behind why you’d want to shorten the forks on launch? Is it to take advantage of aerodynamics to help keep the front down?

To maximise the acceleration you can support before the front wheel pops off the ground, you want the centre of gravity as low and/or as far forward as possible relative to the rear wheel contact patch. So, lower the bike and keep the wieght as low as possible. A light rider helps too.

DidJit

17th October 2012, 08:42

Grazie signori. :)

Drew

17th October 2012, 09:48

It means that 100% of the front wheel weight, is there holding the front down. With fork extension the front raises before that happens, and it wheelies worse.

Robert Taylor

17th October 2012, 10:44

Margaret Thatcher was a lesbian..

And good on her, so am I

Robert Taylor

17th October 2012, 10:48

To maximise the acceleration you can support before the front wheel pops off the ground, you want the centre of gravity as low and/or as far forward as possible relative to the rear wheel contact patch. So, lower the bike and keep the wieght as low as possible. A light rider helps too.

Not entirely true. Often the motor ( the heaviest lump of metal ) needs to be high in the frame to maximise weight transfer on acceleration to get the rear tyre to bite

tbs

17th October 2012, 11:12

Not entirely true. Often the motor ( the heaviest lump of metal ) needs to be high in the frame to maximise weight transfer on acceleration to get the rear tyre to bite

I theorize that in a dry start, a motogp rear tire will have enough grip to lift the front end off the ground even with a rider lying on the tank. The electronics will take care of any wheel-spin, but he'll get a better start by being able to use more power without lifting the front.

Heaps of mountain bike forks these days have a lock-down to lower the front for low gear climbing, as lowering the front end helps keep it on the ground.

Robert you're the Ohlins expert. Could they do it all electronically?

Ivan

17th October 2012, 11:19

I theorize that in a dry start, a motogp rear tire will have enough grip to lift the front end off the ground even with a rider lying on the tank. The electronics will take care of any wheel-spin, but he'll get a better start by being able to use more power without lifting the front.

Heaps of mountain bike forks these days have a lock-down to lower the front for low gear climbing, as lowering the front end helps keep it on the ground.

Robert you're the Ohlins expert. Could they do it all electronically?

Motocross bikes use them to i had one on my old 450 helped with launch really well as the 450's really wheelie out the gate standered but that helped cut the wheelstand out

Badjelly

17th October 2012, 14:08

Not entirely true. Often the motor ( the heaviest lump of metal ) needs to be high in the frame to maximise weight transfer on acceleration to get the rear tyre to bite

Ah, you're talking about the maximum acceleration you can support before the rear wheel loses traction. Also a factor.

tail_end_charlie

17th October 2012, 14:34

Yeah I was reading that bit last night. The Superbike fork had a mechanical push-button release, and the author had been looking for evidence of a fork shortening mechanism on the GP bikes. But, the book is now a couple of seasons out of date and I don't see why any lock-down (and even rear lock-out) couldn't be electronically controlled by the ECU launch control program. All Dani would need to do would be to press his launch control button while still rolling and then grab the front brake hard enough to compress the fork slightly. Hitting the front brake for the first corner could be the switch that turns it off.

Just speculating....

I gave that a little bit of thought after I posted that actually, and you could be right. Still, I've never really seen any evidence of this with the MotoGP bikes. I would think that there would be something like the DSS suspension that the new Multistrada and Panagali S have on them. If they have some sort of electro-magnetic launch lockdown or something like that, they would need to have some sort of wiring going to the fork internals. Best and easiest way to do that would be through the endcap of the forks at the top triple clamp, but there are plenty of pics of the area circulating, and none of them show anything like that.

I theorize that in a dry start, a motogp rear tire will have enough grip to lift the front end off the ground even with a rider lying on the tank. The electronics will take care of any wheel-spin, but he'll get a better start by being able to use more power without lifting the front.

Heaps of mountain bike forks these days have a lock-down to lower the front for low gear climbing, as lowering the front end helps keep it on the ground.

Robert you're the Ohlins expert. Could they do it all electronically?

Not entirely true. Often the motor ( the heaviest lump of metal ) needs to be high in the frame to maximise weight transfer on acceleration to get the rear tyre to bite

I'm sure that they could, considering all the other things they do....................the question is, do the rules allow for electronically controlled suspension? I have a feeling the rules specifically state that type of thing is not allowed. But I could be wrong.......hasn't happened before, but this could be a first time.

Ah, you're talking about the maximum acceleration you can support before the rear wheel loses traction. Also a factor.

I would speculate that with all the fiddling around they do with the ride height, engine placement and such that they have found as close to the ideal placement for the engine so that the forward to back pitching on acceleration and braking have the correct weight transfer to increase traction, but not too much to overload the front and rear respectively. So during starts they need to allow the bike to pitch back and compress the rear shock so that it literally drives the tire into the track (helped by the chain pull). If you locked the rear shock for starts, this weight transfer wouldn't happen and the TC would have to reduce the power so as to maintain traction (prevent wheelspin). So you would probably end up getting off the line slower. I could see some benifits to maybe firming things up, but you would then have to soften things back up for other parts of the track, which would require some sort of electronic trickery. And that brings us back to the rules, which I don't think allow it.

Mental Trousers

17th October 2012, 14:41

tbs

17th October 2012, 15:35

A fork lockdown system isn't needed when you've got 250+hp with traction control and anti-wheelie that works with inclinometers.

More importantly, locking the forks down will interfere with other systems as the nose down attitude will convince the system you're hard on the brakes, doing things to slow you smoothly rather than launch smoothly.

I dunno. The more mass you can put low and forward the more leverage it's going to take to lift the front, which means more power to the ground before the wheelie control has to do anything.

As for interfering with other systems.... that would merely be a matter of programing. Complicated? Absolutely, but what isn't on a GP prototype?

I'm not trying to labor the point. They probably don't use it in GP. It was just that Dani's little brake check about 5 meters out from his grid slot would have been perfect for initiating the system if it was there.

imdying

17th October 2012, 16:53

the nose down attitude will convince the system you're hard on the brakesCan't be that simple; they'll probably be measuring the brake pressure to monitor that.

Robert Taylor

17th October 2012, 16:59

I theorize that in a dry start, a motogp rear tire will have enough grip to lift the front end off the ground even with a rider lying on the tank. The electronics will take care of any wheel-spin, but he'll get a better start by being able to use more power without lifting the front.

Heaps of mountain bike forks these days have a lock-down to lower the front for low gear climbing, as lowering the front end helps keep it on the ground.

Robert you're the Ohlins expert. Could they do it all electronically?

Anything is possible and a lot of the trickery is very jealously guarded. But I seriously doubt there is any ''lockdown'' activity going on. Irrespective of any electronic aids the basics are still of course very important, such as motor position, geometry etc.

Robert Taylor

17th October 2012, 17:04

I gave that a little bit of thought after I posted that actually, and you could be right. Still, I've never really seen any evidence of this with the MotoGP bikes. I would think that there would be something like the DSS suspension that the new Multistrada and Panagali S have on them. If they have some sort of electro-magnetic launch lockdown or something like that, they would need to have some sort of wiring going to the fork internals. Best and easiest way to do that would be through the endcap of the forks at the top triple clamp, but there are plenty of pics of the area circulating, and none of them show anything like that.

I'm sure that they could, considering all the other things they do....................the question is, do the rules allow for electronically controlled suspension? I have a feeling the rules specifically state that type of thing is not allowed. But I could be wrong.......hasn't happened before, but this could be a first time.

I would speculate that with all the fiddling around they do with the ride height, engine placement and such that they have found as close to the ideal placement for the engine so that the forward to back pitching on acceleration and braking have the correct weight transfer to increase traction, but not too much to overload the front and rear respectively. So during starts they need to allow the bike to pitch back and compress the rear shock so that it literally drives the tire into the track (helped by the chain pull). If you locked the rear shock for starts, this weight transfer wouldn't happen and the TC would have to reduce the power so as to maintain traction (prevent wheelspin). So you would probably end up getting off the line slower. I could see some benifits to maybe firming things up, but you would then have to soften things back up for other parts of the track, which would require some sort of electronic trickery. And that brings us back to the rules, which I don't think allow it.

I was in the race shop at Ohlins two weeks ago and looked at everything from MotoGp suspension to their new Formula 1 project. No such photos allowed. But there is no such trickery and no electronic controls on the suspension. It is expressly prohibited in MotoGP and WSBK. THAT IS A REAL INJUSTICE TO PROGRESS.

BMWST?

17th October 2012, 19:31

And was having a secret affair with Arthur Scargill.......
and on monday morning started a company called ohlins

BMWST?

17th October 2012, 19:34

No, the best thing that can happen will be for Moaner to get done like a dogs dinner on his home turf by two Spaniards, Jorge leading the way. That will be Gods work.

I see what youve done there

Stone him stone him!

puddytat

17th October 2012, 20:25

and on monday morning started a company called ohlins

even after partying all weekend with Max Mosley;)

Robert Taylor

17th October 2012, 21:10

and on monday morning started a company called ohlins

To mention that commo unionist stirrer in the same context as Ohlins is a huge insult to Ohlins. Dear old Maggie served him his comeuppance in spades. Well done that woman.

Robert Taylor

17th October 2012, 21:12

even after partying all weekend with Max Mosley;)

Max has great parties but always omits to invite his old friend Bernie, much to Bernies disgust.

tail_end_charlie

18th October 2012, 00:27

I was in the race shop at Ohlins two weeks ago and looked at everything from MotoGp suspension to their new Formula 1 project. No such photos allowed. But there is no such trickery and no electronic controls on the suspension. It is expressly prohibited in MotoGP and WSBK.

Hot damn, right again. Man I'm Good.

THAT IS A REAL INJUSTICE TO PROGRESS.

I see you're point there, and I would assume the rule is an attempt at cost saving and reducing complexities in setup? If it were allowed, wouldn't that then allow you to run a suspension map in the ecu that would be similar to a fuel map? As in being able to program exactly what set up you want practically turn by turn and the ecu would then adjust the suspension to match the map, tracked by GPS. To be honest it seems like the possibilities are almost endless on how much you want to program the bike.

My understanding of the commercially available systems (BMW S1000rr HP4, Ducati Multistrada and Panagali S) have very fast stepper motors that can more or less automatically adjust the compression and rebound dampening depending on what the bike is encountering (heavy acceleration, braking, varied surface conditions). In other words something that can react to road and riding conditions, but can't actually be programed for a closed circuit.

Brian d marge

18th October 2012, 01:05

Didn’t sofalogalou run magnetized suspension fluid last year or the year before , not exactly sure , twas the fluid properties that could be changed to make it ore or less viscous

Stephen

Robert Taylor

18th October 2012, 07:07

Hot damn, right again. Man I'm Good.

I see you're point there, and I would assume the rule is an attempt at cost saving and reducing complexities in setup? If it were allowed, wouldn't that then allow you to run a suspension map in the ecu that would be similar to a fuel map? As in being able to program exactly what set up you want practically turn by turn and the ecu would then adjust the suspension to match the map, tracked by GPS. To be honest it seems like the possibilities are almost endless on how much you want to program the bike.

My understanding of the commercially available systems (BMW S1000rr HP4, Ducati Multistrada and Panagali S) have very fast stepper motors that can more or less automatically adjust the compression and rebound dampening depending on what the bike is encountering (heavy acceleration, braking, varied surface conditions). In other words something that can react to road and riding conditions, but can't actually be programed for a closed circuit.

Yes pretty much correct, and in fact it would take away a lot of the workload on traction control. Isnt it perverse that there are now PRODUCTION bikes available with ''smart'' electronic suspension ( and more to follow ) But its banned in many racing circles

Robert Taylor

18th October 2012, 07:12

Didn’t sofalogalou run magnetized suspension fluid last year or the year before , not exactly sure , twas the fluid properties that could be changed to make it ore or less viscous

Stephen

I dont know where you got that from? But in WSS600 this year he has kicked ass and is already the champion. Ohlins TTX36 Mark 2 rear, Ohlins TTX25 gas charged cartridges and Ohlins steering damper. No trickery and exactly what is available to and used by the very top racers here. Excepting the springs they use are very closely calibrated, but we could also buy those, albeit at a higher price than the regular range.
Moreover this is sold by Ohlins to teams at the going rate, no sponsorship and no silly unsustainable pricing. Other manufacturers could learn from that.

RobGassit

18th October 2012, 10:46

I dont know where you got that from? But in WSS600 this year he has kicked ass and is already the champion. Ohlins TTX36 Mark 2 rear, Ohlins TTX25 gas charged cartridges and Ohlins steering damper. No trickery and exactly what is available to and used by the very top racers here. Excepting the springs they use are very closely calibrated, but we could also buy those, albeit at a higher price than the regular range.
Moreover this is sold by Ohlins to teams at the going rate, no sponsorship and no silly unsustainable pricing. Other manufacturers could learn from that.

You would think,with Ohlins being the best and all,,that you wouldn't need to advertise or promote it at all. It would literally sell itself, like Big Macs or Blonds with big tits. But that obviously isn't the case at all. Go figure?

denill

18th October 2012, 12:18

You would think,with Ohlins being the best and all,,that you wouldn't need to advertise or promote it at all. It would literally sell itself, like Big Macs or Blonds with big tits. But that obviously isn't the case at all. Go figure?

Mmmm, I don't see it that way.

Robert's entitled to his opinion and just cos he's affiliated with a product it is his right to state it how HE sees it. If you don't agree, you can refute it. I appreciate his input as he's at the coal face and tho Iv'e never met him - I believe he is helpful to everyone. :clap:

Crasherfromwayback

18th October 2012, 12:21

Max has great parties but always omits to invite his old friend Bernie, much to Bernies disgust.

Talking of parties. You going to PI this year Robert?

Robert Taylor

18th October 2012, 12:31

Talking of parties. You going to PI this year Robert?

I was going to go but have just spent a month in Europe and am ''travelled out''. Definitely next year. I organised with Ohlins a couple of tickets to get right into the pits with an Ohlins Tech, I have given those tickets to Choppa.

Crasherfromwayback

18th October 2012, 12:36

I was going to go but have just spent a month in Europe and am ''travelled out''. Definitely next year. I organised with Ohlins a couple of tickets to get right into the pits with an Ohlins Tech, I have given those tickets to Choppa.

Rather do Europe anyday! Choppa will love that! Rach certainly did at Brno.

Robert Taylor

18th October 2012, 12:42

You would think,with Ohlins being the best and all,,that you wouldn't need to advertise or promote it at all. It would literally sell itself, like Big Macs or Blonds with big tits. But that obviously isn't the case at all. Go figure?

I take the opportunity to promote it here as I see fit. Some people may not like that, but there is choice of what you buy and where you buy it. Point of fact Ohlins are not visible in the sense of loud stickers ( or in fact any stickers ) on WSS600, WSBK and MotoGP bikes ( ie most of those bikes ) Why? Because they are a successful company that sells the best product to nearly all of the teams and also sell a service contract to the most committed and well financed teams. Its a business, not sponsorship.

MotoX riders here in NZ would do well to learn that concept

As of next year Ohlins are selling and backing up supply of dampers to one of the top five Formula 1 car teams. I.e selling product and service. Were they to place one only regular small Ohlins sticker on the car they would have to pay the team 1 million euro.

Kiwi Graham

18th October 2012, 12:54

As of next year Ohlins are selling and backing up supply of dampers to one of the top five Formula 1 car teams. I.e selling product and service. Were they to place one only regular small Ohlins sticker on the car they would have to pay the team 1 million euro.

I've got a KSS sticker on my bike Rob, I'll take 1% of the F1 fee. Have you still got my bank details? ;)

Crasherfromwayback

18th October 2012, 12:54

MotoX riders here in NZ would do well to learn that concept

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Like this...

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Brian d marge

18th October 2012, 13:55

I dont know where you got that from? But in WSS600 this year he has kicked ass and is already the champion. Ohlins TTX36 Mark 2 rear, Ohlins TTX25 gas charged cartridges and Ohlins steering damper. No trickery and exactly what is available to and used by the very top racers here. Excepting the springs they use are very closely calibrated, but we could also buy those, albeit at a higher price than the regular range.
Moreover this is sold by Ohlins to teams at the going rate, no sponsorship and no silly unsustainable pricing. Other manufacturers could learn from that.

Passing comment from engineer friend over here , pretty sure I remembered it correctly, Sofologs bike was all yellow if thats any help. I didnt give it much thought at the time ( and it was one or two or more years ago)

Stephen

Robert Taylor

18th October 2012, 17:34

I've got a KSS sticker on my bike Rob, I'll take 1% of the F1 fee. Have you still got my bank details? ;)

That sticker compensates for the great deal you got!

Robert Taylor

18th October 2012, 17:43

Like this...

271880

Youre in the industry and I didnt have to prostitute myself to both rebuild / respec your shocks and give you a good deal!

My off the cuff comment about puddle jumpers raises a whole industry problem ''Hey I got second place at the local trail ride and Im the next big thing after Shayne King and Ben Townley. If you sponsor me with cheap bikes and gear ( that you will make no money on or make a loss on ) I will run your stickers and sell lots of bikes for you''.

The reality of course in 99% of cases works out a whole lot less rosy than that. Everyone that rides MX wants a hell deal and many dealers that come and go ( probably because of same ) are prepared to do so, until they work out that over the big picture this is actually costing them a lot of money and time and very negatively impacting on their balance sheets.

The true costs of running an MX bike are distorted or ''buried in the mire'' by this inter generational expectation that dealers should make no money for little Johnie to get his weekend fix. This is all not too far from the cold hard truth despite my cynicism.

Robert Taylor

18th October 2012, 17:46

Passing comment from engineer friend over here , pretty sure I remembered it correctly, Sofologs bike was all yellow if thats any help. I didnt give it much thought at the time ( and it was one or two or more years ago)

Stephen

Ok, if he was using something tricky it wasnt working for him!

denill

18th October 2012, 19:02

Youre in the industry and I didnt have to prostitute myself to both rebuild / respec your shocks and give you a good deal!

My off the cuff comment about puddle jumpers raises a whole industry problem ''Hey I got second place at the local trail ride and Im the next big thing after Shayne King and Ben Townley. If you sponsor me with cheap bikes and gear ( that you will make no money on or make a loss on ) I will run your stickers and sell lots of bikes for you''.

The reality of course in 99% of cases works out a whole lot less rosy than that. Everyone that rides MX wants a hell deal and many dealers that come and go ( probably because of same ) are prepared to do so, until they work out that over the big picture this is actually costing them a lot of money and time and very negatively impacting on their balance sheets.

The true costs of running an MX bike are distorted or ''buried in the mire'' by this inter generational expectation that dealers should make no money for little Johnie to get his weekend fix. This is all not too far from the cold hard truth despite my cynicism.

Oh oh, so VERY true. Many, many dealers have in the past been burnt VERY badly by Little Johnie. :(

Reckless

18th October 2012, 19:47

NOW back on topic boyz :rolleyes:

Drew

18th October 2012, 19:53

Robert Taylor

18th October 2012, 20:08

I've just scored a new set of forks, with a Dukic sticker on each one.

What you offering, for me to take said stickers off?

They will send you skidding down the road and abrade the stickers off. Hope you didnt pay too much for them!

Drew

18th October 2012, 20:10

They will send you skidding down the road and abrade the stickers off. Hope you didnt pay too much for them!Don't misunderstand me here fella. I bought a complete front end, the stickers were on it already.

BMWST?

18th October 2012, 21:00

You would think,with Ohlins being the best and all,,that you wouldn't need to advertise or promote it at all. It would literally sell itself, like Big Macs or Blonds with big tits. But that obviously isn't the case at all. Go figure?

you must live in another world than me,macdonalds is advertised absolutely everywhere,and we are hardwired for the other

BMWST?

18th October 2012, 21:04

i just did a lttle number crunching.Dani has to win all three races AND Jorge has to get two thirds and a fourth to lose it.

steveyb

18th October 2012, 21:33

I've just scored a new set of forks, with a Dukic sticker on each one.

What you offering, for me to take said stickers off?

Whatever, nothing will help you, you know that. Anything else is just dreamin' mate.

tail_end_charlie

18th October 2012, 21:36

i just did a lttle number crunching.Dani has to win all three races AND Jorge has to get two thirds and a fourth to lose it.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Oct/121017pillion.htm

Jorge is running on the ragged edge as far as engines go, as discussed in the above. One mistake from Jorge could easily result in a DNF for him, which would blow things completely wide open. He's had a couple of close calls that he has just saved while chasing Dani, if he doesn't catch the next one...............

One could probably argue that Jorge has ridden a mistake free season so far (Assen being out of his control of course), so the odds are getting better and better that he will screw up and bin it................................................ .

Still, I think he pretty much has it in the bag.

Crasherfromwayback

18th October 2012, 22:00

[url]. One mistake from Jorge could easily result in a DNF for him, which would blow things completely wide open. He's had a couple of close calls that he has just saved while chasing Dani, if he doesn't catch the next one...............

One could probably argue that Jorge has ridden a mistake free season so far (Assen being out of his control of course), so the odds are getting better and better that he will screw up and bin it................................................ .

Still, I think he pretty much has it in the bag.

Nah. He's too classy and good for that now in my opinion. Lorenzo has morphed into the complete package. Where Stoner went mental and binned it trying to beat his team mate in Germany, Lorenzo is happy to bring it home for points looking at the big picture. Only the engine failing will stop him winning the title he's well and truly earnt this season. He's been the best all round package...followed very closely by Pedro. Next year...if Pedro carries on like he has this year? Who knows!

Brian d marge

19th October 2012, 00:53

Ok, if he was using something tricky it wasnt working for him!

thats going to annoy me, I can see the bike , and even the corner when it was said to me ,,,but .........well my memory !!!!!

Stephen

Drew

19th October 2012, 03:42

Whatever, nothing will help you, you know that. Anything else is just dreamin' mate.It'll help me get a warrant.

Robert Taylor

19th October 2012, 06:49

Don't misunderstand me here fella. I bought a complete front end, the stickers were on it already.

Stickers of course dont maketh the function. If you remove them the bike will be lighter and will accelerate faster. Follow Danis lead of very light weight

Robert Taylor

19th October 2012, 06:51

macka77

19th October 2012, 09:34

Nah. He's too classy and good for that now in my opinion. Lorenzo has morphed into the complete package. Where Stoner went mental and binned it trying to beat his team mate in Germany, Lorenzo is happy to bring it home for points looking at the big picture. Only the engine failing will stop him winning the title he's well and truly earnt this season. He's been the best all round package...followed very closely by Pedro. Next year...if Pedro carries on like he has this year? Who knows!

To be fair on stoner he got caught out by the rain on the track and , hes done for the championship which is a real shame for the motogp, i think the lorenso is on an inferior machine this year. haw hey wont have to go over the edge like rossi always did to win it is one thing to settle for second another to dominate your opposition personally the motogp has been so boring yamaha vs honda, compard 2 moto2 where the riders vs rider
** are yamaha desperate to back rossi an co to improve the m1 and get sponsers back on board, haw hey my be one of the best riders but far from the complete package imo.
anyway its going to be fairing bashing rossi vs lorenso next year look out!!

Crasherfromwayback

19th October 2012, 09:42

To be fair on stoner he got caught out by the rain on the track and , hes done for the championship which is a real shame for the motogp, i think the lorenso is on an inferior machine this year. haw hey wont have to go over the edge like rossi always did to win it is one thing to settle for second another to dominate your opposition personally the motogp has been so boring yamaha vs honda, compard 2 moto2 where the riders vs rider
** are yamaha desperate to back rossi an co to improve the m1 and get sponsers back on board, haw hey my be one of the best riders but far from the complete package imo.
anyway its going to be fairing bashing rossi vs lorenso next year look out!!

Can't agree with most of that. Stoner was on the same track as the rest of them, and they didn't bin it. It was a hot headed and misguided attempt to Pass Pedro. As far as the Yamaha being inferior? I don't believe that for a min. At the beginning of the season it was probably quite easily the best bike. Honda have had a shitload of trouble with the new front tyre introduced, and only since they've sorted it has Pedro been kicking arse. The Yam is also not as far behind in acc as it once was either.

Next...if Lorenzo ain't the complete package...dunno who the hell is. Yes he and Rossi will tarde some paint...but your memory can't be that good if you can't remember what was happening last time they were team mates. And Lorenzo has only improved since.

I think the most exciting thing for next year may well be Stoners replacement. He may not have to charisma of the late Simo, but he's as fucking fearless and ruthless.

tail_end_charlie

19th October 2012, 10:39

I think the most exciting thing for next year may well be Stoners replacement. He may not have to charisma of the late Simo, but he's as fucking fearless and ruthless.

That is quite true, he will be interesting to watch. There is, however, a fine line between fearless & ruthless, and dangerous. There have been a couple of incidents this season where he has looked to be toeing that line, if not stepping over it. He seems to be able to get away with it in Moto2 for some reason, but I doubt that will be the case next year in MotoGP.

All that said, there is no denying that MM has some serious talent. His run from 24 (something like that) to 12 on the first lap, and to then go on and win the race at Motegi was something else to watch.

Crasherfromwayback

19th October 2012, 11:08

That is quite true, he will be interesting to watch. There is, however, a fine line between fearless & ruthless, and dangerous. There have been a couple of incidents this season where he has looked to be toeing that line, if not stepping over it. He seems to be able to get away with it in Moto2 for some reason, but I doubt that will be the case next year in MotoGP.

All that said, there is no denying that MM has some serious talent. His run from 24 (something like that) to 12 on the first lap, and to then go on and win the race at Motegi was something else to watch.

I agree. I'm all for agressive racing, as long as it's clean. But for sure, some of the things I've seen him do deserve a fat lip at the very least. He'll have to sort that out next year. Can't see the big boys putting up with it for too long,if at all. Some of his moves through the pack at the last race were bordering on dangerous too.

Crasherfromwayback

19th October 2012, 14:57

1st practice just finished.

Pedro, Stoner, Lorenzo.

imdying

19th October 2012, 14:58

Re the spec gheyness that is the spec ECU... How about limit them to a xx MHZ processor and xx K of RAM instead? There's only so much you can do in XX amount of RAM... fancy traction control, launch control, ABS, injection, ignition... you can have all of them, but they'll have to be stripped back, or if you want the full welly traction control, you'll need to strip back some of the other functions. Maybe worth a go?

DidJit

19th October 2012, 15:07

Re the spec gheyness that is the spec ECU...

Toby Moody has a few interesting musings (http://plus.autosport.com/free/feature/4886/motogp-how-the-past-could-help-the-future/) on all that kerfuffle.

1st practice just finished. Pedro, Stoner, Lorenzo.

Got a feeling Stoner’s gonna win it this weekend.

Crasherfromwayback

19th October 2012, 15:10

Got a feeling Stoner’s gonna win it this weekend.

He was certainly looking far more comfortable on the bike so far this weekend. But nah...I reckon podium this weekend...top step next weekend.

tail_end_charlie

19th October 2012, 16:30

Toby Moody has a few interesting musings (http://plus.autosport.com/free/feature/4886/motogp-how-the-past-could-help-the-future/) on all that kerfuffle.

Interesting reading. Another one of the problems that is often just skimmed over is that there are three very distinct parties involved in Motorcycle racing.

A.) The spectators. These range from people who were flipping through the channels on TV and came across a motorcycle race and watched it because it enthralled them in that first split second, to people like the hardcore enthusiasts who have been following the racing since before time. The former want to see good close racing with lots of actions, while the latter want to keep things very traditional and appreciate the machines in their various classes. In other words a very diverse group of individuals.

B.) The owners/organizers/sponsers. Dorna, Infront, Bridgepoint, ect ect. The organizations and sponsers are looking to make money off of motorcycle racing. More specifically, the spectators who watch motorcycle racing. And making money does not give two shits about weither or not MotoGP is kept as a pure prototype series for example. Money talks and bullshit walks as they say.

C.) The manufactures. Honda, Ducati, Yamaha, Suzuki, BMW, Kawasaki, Aprilla, and anyone else to runs a factory team or lends serious support to a team to win races and championships. They do this for the age old principle of 'Win on Sunday, sell on Monday.' The more you win, the more publicity you get, the better people think your bikes are, and therefore the more you sell. This may be because you throw money at a race series to win, or because you invest the most money into R & D and have the best bikes, or because you manipulate the rules of a series to favor your bikes. Either way, racing has to serve a purpose other than itself; namely in the long run, sell more bikes. To a certain extent this also includes aftermarket and nitch suppliers, tuners, ect.

The whole thing is a three legged stool. Loose one leg and the racing will end. Loose the spectators, loose the money, no more racing. Loose the organizers/sponsers, series collapses, no more racing. Loose the manufactures, no more bikes, no more racing. Even two out of three won't work. And to try and make three parties as diverse as A, B and C work together in some kind of harmony is going to take concessions from each party. That may mean going to new tracks in different parts of the world to expose new audiencies, making sure that no one is raking in huge profits without throwing some back to benifit the series, and keeping all the racers on as even a playing ground as possible.

IMO, Infront has done the best juggling act lately managing the WSBK series to keep all three parties happy and working together to stay alive. Dorna is bouncing along a rocky road right now with MotoGP because the few from group C have gotten to big, taken away some of the show, and left members of group A bored, so they left. Because people in group A were leaving, members of group B started to loose money, and decided to look elsewhere to greener pastures. In todays modern world things change really fast, you gotta maintain the ballance, otherwise you might find yourself circling down the shitter.

ecko_nzed

19th October 2012, 17:20

You lost me at, "another one of the problems......."

Cleve

19th October 2012, 20:48

with 3 races to go and a slight chance to be world champ - Maverick Vinales has walked out of his team

tail_end_charlie

19th October 2012, 21:50

with 3 races to go and a slight chance to be world champ - Maverick Vinales has walked out of his team

Yeah, just read that. To be honest is sounds like he's thrown all his toys out of the cot.

Cleve

19th October 2012, 22:57

Yeah, just read that. To be honest is sounds like he's thrown all his toys out of the cot.

don't know the full story - yet - but his team manager is also his personal manager and may have been withholding offers from other teams...

denill

20th October 2012, 06:55

don't know the full story - yet - but his team manager is also his personal manager and may have been withholding offers from other teams...

It seems like there's been a fall out with Vinales' manager too. While it seems like a hot head move - it is more like being available for a competitive (KTM) bike in 2013, as he was signed for the end of 2014 with Avintia.

pritch

20th October 2012, 07:07

don't know the full story - yet - but his team manager is also his personal manager and may have been withholding offers from other teams...

BINGO! Multiple offers including KTM apparently.

Shaun

20th October 2012, 07:35

BINGO! Multiple offers including KTM apparently.

If you were a team owner/manager, would you sign a rider that has walked out on a contract before???

roogazza

20th October 2012, 08:20

If you were a team owner/manager, would you sign a rider that has walked out on a contract before???

Off topic I know Shaun, but I see you're in Adelaide ? Lovely city, lived there for 13 years, up Tea Tree Gully, St Agnes area.
Been for a fang thru Chain of Ponds yet or maybe the Barrosa ? G.

Shaun

20th October 2012, 08:38

Off topic I know Shaun, but I see you're in Adelaide ? Lovely city, lived there for 13 years, up Tea Tree Gully, St Agnes area.
Been for a fang thru Chain of Ponds yet or maybe the Barrosa ? G.

off topic reply,I am now back in New Plymouth, contract in Adelaide is finished, one of the shops owners had a heart attack, and I wanted to be closer to my daughter anyway!

No fangs mate, I am not a road rider, just a has been road racer

steveyb

20th October 2012, 09:43

with 3 races to go and a slight chance to be world champ - Maverick Vinales has walked out of his team

Listen to the discussion held by commentators and interview with Ricky Gervais (I mean Richardo) ex-Mav manager, it is a lesson that young, and not so young, riders even here can take a good lesson from.

It may be that the team has breeched the terms of the contract, but he has taken on board some very dubious advice and acted poorly. There are much better and more professional ways to deal with the situation he feels he has found himself in.

He could actually still win the championship (in a "second division team") if Cortese falls and hurts himself or breaks down or something else.

Quite extraordinary.

On another point, they did a video sweep over the bike in the garage, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wet myself....... (nice ideas for our bike)

pritch

20th October 2012, 10:57

If you were a team owner/manager, would you sign a rider that has walked out on a contract before???

Normally no. And that was my initial reaction too.

If, however, it transpired that the team manager was dishonest that would surely be taken into consideration. We don't know for certain yet that the team manager was playing dirty pool, but with the amount of scrutiny this will get there's a good chance we'll find out.

BMWST?

20th October 2012, 11:17

Not good for any of them,no excuses but the bike let him down a couple of times and he made a couple of misjudgements himself

Shaun

20th October 2012, 11:42

Not good for any of them,no excuses but the bike let him down a couple of times and he made a couple of misjudgements himself

I guess it's a part of displaying maturuty, ala Ben Spies

Wingnut

20th October 2012, 16:21

denill

20th October 2012, 16:30

Aleix Espargaro has also had the same Manager in the past. He doesn't speak very highly of him whatsoever apparently..

Can't help but think he should have seen the season out though, then sorted this shit out in the off season? Guess he would have missed out on a ride in 2013 if he did perhaps.

"Guess he would have missed out on a ride in 2013 if he did perhaps" is the key apparently. It seems that what appears as a quite unsavoury move - was in fact the BEST for him.

In this life and specially in those circles that's how it is................. :(

jasonu

20th October 2012, 18:09

It's always a problem. Bike racers aren't employed to finish second. The will to win is why they're there.

Yep, I remember in the late 90's John Kuntcinsky knocking off Simon Crafer (or was it Slight) in a shitty manouver for the win. He had already clinched the (WSB) title and had no real reason to make the pass except to take the win.

DidJit

21st October 2012, 08:13

Good little read (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/10/20/2012_sepang_motogp_friday_round_up_the_v.html) on the Viñales affair.

denill

21st October 2012, 10:53

Good little read (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/10/20/2012_sepang_motogp_friday_round_up_the_v.html) on the Viñales affair.

Yes and another where the answer may well be<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Oct/121019oozx.htm> Here:</A>

Quote: "Trouble between Vinales and Jove - and Jove's seemingly massive conflict of interest as a rider manager and a team manager - may be the source of this dispute. Spanish paper Marca reported that Jove had received offers for next season for Vinales from Aspar and Aki Ajo but didn't inform Vinales of them before he re-signed with Avintia."

Mental Trousers

21st October 2012, 12:31

Yep, I remember in the late 90's John Kuntcinsky knocking off Simon Crafer (or was it Slight) in a shitty manouver for the win. He had already clinched the (WSB) title and had no real reason to make the pass except to take the win.

Slight. They were team mates.

Shaun

21st October 2012, 12:53

Slight. They were team mates.

Guess what comes around goes around, I remember Slight ripping Pier chilli of his bike somewhere way back when in a not so reqd move

puddytat

21st October 2012, 12:54

Free streaming on http://freesport-tv.com/

SPman

21st October 2012, 18:10

So, what was the margin between Cortese and the Malaysian guy? Half a bike length?

SPman

21st October 2012, 18:21

Slight. They were team mates.
Was Simon Crafar on the Kawasaki at Sentul in 1997. Crafar looked like taking the win when J. C did a "win or bin" pass and pushed Crafar off the track.......

Mental Trousers

21st October 2012, 18:40

Was Simon Crafar on the Kawasaki at Sentul in 1997. Crafar looked like taking the win when J. C did a "win or bin" pass and pushed Crafar off the track.......

Knew it was that year but I thought he stuffed Slight sometime near the end of the season.

Crasherfromwayback

21st October 2012, 20:58

Guess what comes around goes around, I remember Slight ripping Pier chilli of his bike somewhere way back when in a not so reqd move

What a fucking shit talking dreamer. Jealous much? Go back and watch the clip sometime. You wank on about how todays racers have become 'softcocks'...that Stoner (2x Moto GP Wrold Champ) is a winging cry baby. What a hypocrtiticle wankstain.

By the way...tonights GP red flag decision was as gay as you are now days. Lorenzo started putting his hand in the air...didn't see Stoner the softcock spoilt brat doing it?

So Stoner was about to waste Lorenzo and help Pedro shut down the points gap. What right did Lorenzo have to try and decide it was too wet?

12 Kent Tce.

Crasherfromwayback

21st October 2012, 21:08

Guess what comes around goes around, I remember Slight ripping Pier chilli of his bike somewhere way back when in a not so reqd move

By the way Homo...Slight punted Chili into the kitty litter in a perfectly safe and clean move that you'd only dream of being able to do.
Go and have a look. Hockenheim. If you think that's rough...well says it all.

tail_end_charlie

21st October 2012, 21:40

What a fucking shit talking dreamer. Jealous much? Go back and watch the clip sometime. You wank on about how todays racers have become 'softcocks'...that Stoner (2x Moto GP Wrold Champ) is a winging cry baby. What a hypocrtiticle wankstain.

By the way...tonights GP red flag decision was as gay as your are now days. Lorenzo started putting his hand in the air...didn't see Stoner the softcock spoilt brat doing it?

So Stoner was about to waste Lorenzo and help Pedro shut down the points gap. What right did Lorenzo have to try and decide it was too wet?

12 Kent Tce.

Not getting involved in the shit-slinging, but I was kinda disappointed with the red flag. In the post-race interview wasn't Jorge saying that he had wasted the soft center of his tire earlier in the race, and was struggling near the end? Where as Dani and Casey were both reeling off lap times that Jorge couldn't keep up with. Would have been nice to see that full distance run out.

Have to give credit to Jorge though, that was a hell of a save. Damn near ran over his left foot doing it though.

BMWST?

21st October 2012, 21:45

Not getting involved in the shit-slinging, but I was kinda disappointed with the red flag. In the post-race interview wasn't Jorge saying that he had wasted the soft center of his tire earlier in the race, and was struggling near the end? Where as Dani and Casey were both reeling off lap times that Jorge couldn't keep up with. Would have been nice to see that full distance run out.

Have to give credit to Jorge though, that was a hell of a save. Damn near ran over his left foot doing it though.

it started just before Dani pAssed him,i thought i saw him wheelspin halfway down the back straight a lose a bit of drive allowing Dani to come up alongside...pretty dicey conditions tho with so many riders starting to come off.

tail_end_charlie

21st October 2012, 21:50

it started just before Dani pAssed him,i thought i saw him wheelspin halfway down the back straight a lose a bit of drive allowing Dani to come up alongside...pretty dicey conditions tho with so many riders starting to come off.

Yeah, it was probably the right decision to make at the time by race direction because of the situation, and with safety in mind. And the fact that it really started pissing down hard right after they red-flagged it just confirmed their decision. Too bad, if they had started 10 min earlier, I bet that JL would have ended up in third, if not on the deck.

pritch

21st October 2012, 22:12

jasonu

22nd October 2012, 06:08

Was Simon Crafar on the Kawasaki at Sentul in 1997. Crafar looked like taking the win when J. C did a "win or bin" pass and pushed Crafar off the track.......

Yep that's the one. IIRC Crafar copped a broken leg in that crash. It was his last WSB ride before going to the 500GP bikes.

roogazza

22nd October 2012, 08:58

I wouldn't mind a trip to the Sepang GP. Problem is it's held in the wet season.
Most days it will rain approximately the same time - in that area about 4.00PM apparently. About the same time the MotoGP race starts.

Yes, I skip Sepang for that reason, heat and wet. For that matter, I avoid Philip Is for similar reasons, wind and cold.

What about that young Malaysian fella in Moto2, so confident there for a while. Looked like he was riding in the dry.
West rode the best I've seen him also.

Shaun

22nd October 2012, 09:38

Crasherfromwayback

22nd October 2012, 09:41

ho hum haha

Hope your eyesight still works.

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Shaun

22nd October 2012, 09:58

Hope your eyesight still works.

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Only to the point where Chilli went into the corner in the leed and him and Aaron were on different lines and to the point that Aarons line had him drive into Chilli causing the crash ( Not intentionally)

But I guess to much wanking on my behalf has caused me eye site issues

Have a good day

Crasherfromwayback

22nd October 2012, 10:06

Only to the point where Chilli went into the corner in the leed and him and Aaron were on different lines and to the point that Aarons line had him drive into Chilli causing the crash ( Not intentionally)

But I guess to much wanking on my behalf has caused me eye site issues

Obviously.

merv

22nd October 2012, 10:47

Slight had a nice tight line there and Chili looked like he just didn't expect him to be there. It would be hard to call that Slight's mistake. Its the same as that argument over Jonathon Rea taking out the BMW earlier in the year. If the other guy leaves a gap (such as Chili did) don't be surprised if someone comes inside you.

p.s. shame they reg flagged the MotoGP race before Stoner could pass Lorenzo.

Shaun

22nd October 2012, 10:57

Berries

22nd October 2012, 12:25

Yes, I skip Sepang for that reason, heat and wet.
The only reason not to go to Sepang is that you can't watch the racing while eating a bacon buttie, which up until then I thought was compulsory. Shade is rare in the outfield so the honkies pretty much have to go in the main stand, but they have those fans blowing water everywhere and the breeze helps. Rain is rain wherever you go, but getting wet there is a lot more pleasant than at Teretonga when there is a southerly blowing.

One good thing about going is that it is close to the end of the season so you might also see a title decider.

roogazza

23rd October 2012, 07:23

The only reason not to go to Sepang is that you can't watch the racing while eating a bacon buttie, which up until then I thought was compulsory. Shade is rare in the outfield so the honkies pretty much have to go in the main stand, but they have those fans blowing water everywhere and the breeze helps. Rain is rain wherever you go, but getting wet there is a lot more pleasant than at Teretonga when there is a southerly blowing.

One good thing about going is that it is close to the end of the season so you might also see a title decider.

Yes it's just a personal preference.
England purely for the weather is another. Long way to go to stand in the rain. In saying that you can get caught out, but i have been very lucky all the years I go to watch.
End of season races where riders are thinking of points rather than the win also doesn't appeal.
Guess I prefer race wins to championships if you get what I mean ?

pritch

23rd October 2012, 10:01

It seems Dorna want to spread the gospel to India and Indonesia. Should either, or both, of those come to pass it might pay to create a new "away" cluster at a different time of the year. Three monsoonal meetings would be too much.

DidJit

23rd October 2012, 10:07

I'd say it's fairly likely we'll see more races in that part of the world — heard something different at the races this weekend: the crowd.
But, yes, the scheduling of such races might be better timed weather-wise.

McWild

23rd October 2012, 15:18

Wow, I felt totally the opposite in terms of whether I would travel to Sepang to watch the gp.

It might have been wet, hot, and crowded, but fuck me if that wasn't a crowd you'd remember being in. The sort of racing on display this gp was something else entirely too. Awesome.

But I have never been to a gp, so I can't really qualify that with experience. Do you reckon, if I'm going to commit to going to one (in the Australasian circuit), is that the kind of gp better appreciated from one's arm chair, with all the delays and all?

Oscar

23rd October 2012, 15:34

I've been to 15ish GP's all over the place, and none of them would have been better viewed from my armchair at home. There is always something to look at (or drink).

Wow, I felt totally the opposite in terms of whether I would travel to Sepang to watch the gp.

It might have been wet, hot, and crowded, but fuck me if that wasn't a crowd you'd remember being in. The sort of racing on display this gp was something else entirely too. Awesome.

But I have never been to a gp, so I can't really qualify that with experience. Do you reckon, if I'm going to commit to going to one (in the Australasian circuit), is that the kind of gp better appreciated from one's arm chair, with all the delays and all?

Crasherfromwayback

23rd October 2012, 15:35

tail_end_charlie

23rd October 2012, 15:57

But I have never been to a gp, so I can't really qualify that with experience. Do you reckon, if I'm going to commit to going to one (in the Australasian circuit), is that the kind of gp better appreciated from one's arm chair, with all the delays and all?

Yeah, I'm in the same boat, never been to a GP and wondering if it lives up to the hype. Watching it on tv, you are able to see whole race track, but often they only focus on the leaders. Where as when your at the event, you can at least get a chance to see all the racers at one point on the track. Course, I would hazard to say that most of the tracks have those huge screens up that allow you to watch most of the race, and then watch them go by in front of you as well. And then of course there is the smell of being there, can't get that through the TV.

Phillip Island is the best of them in my opinion.

The only bad things that I've heard about PI is the chance of bad weather. Seems most poeple say you have a 50/50 chance on the weather. Course sometimes that makes for better racin'........

Crasherfromwayback

23rd October 2012, 16:00

Yeah, I'm in the same boat, never been to a GP and wondering if it lives up to the hype.
The only bad things that I've heard about PI is the chance of bad weather. Seems most poeple say you have a 50/50 chance on the weather. Course sometimes that makes for better racin'........

It's a huge buzz being there mate. TV doesn't come close.

Just plan to get all four seasons every day at the Island and you'll be fine.

tail_end_charlie

23rd October 2012, 16:07

It's a huge buzz being there mate. TV doesn't come close.

Just plan to get all four seasons every day at the Island and you'll be fine.

Good to know. Won't make this year (obviously) but might have to look into some plans for next year. Or maybe catch WSBK there early next year. Hmmmmmmm, things to ponder....

Crasherfromwayback

23rd October 2012, 16:11

Good to know. Won't make this year (obviously) but might have to look into some plans for next year. Or maybe catch WSBK there early next year. Hmmmmmmm, things to ponder....

Get in early enough and you can rent an awesome house right on the beach for a reasonable amount. Catch a shuttle bus to the track each day from your front door. It's a hoot.

Brian d marge

23rd October 2012, 16:50

phillip island will have a corner named after casy stoner........

' stoners corner" perhaps?

stephen

Shaun

23rd October 2012, 16:55

phillip island will have a corner named after casy stoner........

' stoners corner" perhaps?

stephen

Thats where the folk with RED eyes sit

Robert Taylor

23rd October 2012, 16:58

denill

23rd October 2012, 17:08

Phillip Island is the best of them in my opinion.

Yep. For many reasons too. Specially the viewing vantage points and the track itself. Downside - the weather!

The only other one I've been to is Brno. Would have much preferred the armchair. The Czechs are a sombre lot too.........

Crasherfromwayback

23rd October 2012, 17:50

Yep, Moaner wouldnt have saved it.

Sheesh you've got it bad too Robert. Stoner was about to give Lorenzo another wet weather lesson cept Lorenzo wimped out and kept asking for the race to be stopped. Kinda like...a moaner and winging poofta?!

Crasherfromwayback

23rd October 2012, 17:53

Thats where the folk with RED eyes sit

Where do the jealous red headed fags sit? Outside the male urinal hoping to get lucky.

Shaun

23rd October 2012, 18:04

Where do the jealous red headed fags sit? Outside the male urinal hoping to get lucky.

Jelous, yep I sure am Crasherfromwayback, I really wish I had achieved as much as you have as a has been bike racer, Now for the laughter bit, enjoy your world buddy, and thanks for the entertaining pathetic childish shit to read.

Of course I have to get some one to read it to me, as I am so thick

But guess I am a good thief and liar though, actually I cant be, as everyone knows that about me, not so smart eh

O that;s right, you are the sales man, not me

Dam, I have come down to your pathetic level

Crasherfromwayback

23rd October 2012, 18:16

Jelous, yep I sure am Crasherfromwayback, I really wish I had achieved as much as you have as a has been bike racer, Now for the laughter bit, enjoy your world buddy, and thanks for the entertaining pathetic childish shit to read.

Of course I have to get some one to read it to me, as I am so thick

But guess I am a good thief and liar though, actually I cant be, as everyone knows that about me, not so smart eh

O that;s right, you are the sales man, not me

Dam, I have come down to your pathetic level

My level? I've never actually been kicked out of anywhere for theft Shaun. And whilst I haven't done as much road racing as your awesome self...I've done something you haven't and never will. Beaten Bruce Ainstey more often than he's beaten me. In a couple of very short seasons that I did do.

Now talking of childish shit...when are you coming down to beat me up again Shaun? As per your PM threat? Hate to be not there when you call in to carry out the threat...you mature chappy you. Cock Smoker.

tail_end_charlie

23rd October 2012, 18:50

Yep, Moaner wouldnt have saved it.

Or maybe Stoner wouldn't have lost it in the first place?!?!?!?! Case in point................Sepang.

Reckless

23rd October 2012, 19:01

In the post race on the BBC coverage they had a look at Lorenzo's front tyre? Its was shagged (well at least more than 1/2 gone).

It was only a matter of time before he binned it or Stoner passed him and he knew it! Being the astute person he is he took advantage of the weather and did what we all would do tried to keep his placing.

Secondly the decision was justified by the officials I reckon for one reason alone so many others had fallen already and the weather was getting worse. Had that not been the case ????

I feel for Pedro the little guy just cant seem to get a lucky break but as I see it he rode the arse of that Honda did all he could, the rest is with the racing gods :)

I'm also still wondering if Lorenzo is deliberately not racing Pedro because his engines are tired (mainly in the dry) and they simply don't want to risk a blow up??
First 1/2 of the season to Lorenzo second 1/2 to Pedro been good so far but it aint over till its over :)

Crasherfromwayback

23rd October 2012, 19:06

Or maybe Stoner wouldn't have lost it in the first place?!?!?!?! Case in point................Sepang.

Or Silverstone last year when he gave everyone a wet weather lesson in similar conditions?

Cleve

23rd October 2012, 20:57

It's a huge buzz being there mate. TV doesn't come close.

Just plan to get all four seasons every day at the Island and you'll be fine.

absolutely! I have been to a number of GPS in a number of countries over the years and it keeps getting better and better each year - The best part (out of many great parts)? THE NOISE. Until you go to a live GP and experience that noise of a full field of MotoGP bikes when the lights go off - you haven't lived!

Crasherfromwayback

23rd October 2012, 21:16

THE NOISE. Until you go to a live GP and experience that noise of a full field of MotoGP bikes when the lights go off - you haven't lived!

Fucken eh!

pritch

23rd October 2012, 21:41

Vinales is en route to PI - with his new lawyer. The plot thickens...

Robert Taylor

23rd October 2012, 21:41

Or Silverstone last year when he gave everyone a wet weather lesson in similar conditions?

Jorge is leading the title chase by 23 points. Why? Because he has scored more points than the other Spaniard and that Aussie brat.

Crasherfromwayback

23rd October 2012, 21:46

Jorge is leading the title chase by 23 points. Why? Because he has scored more points than the other Spaniard and that Aussie brat.

And he's about to be a deserved Champion once again. It'll match Stoners two titles. Pretty sure Stoner beat him by more than 23 points last year though eh? 90 wasn't it?

I would've thought you of all people could put personalities aside and admire pure skill Robert.

MadDuck

23rd October 2012, 21:53

THE NOISE. Until you go to a live GP and experience that noise of a full field of MotoGP bikes when the lights go off - you haven't lived!

YES. Its been a few years since I was there last. But PI I am there this year - next weekend. Looking forward to the racing. BRING IT ON. All you keyboard warriors see you there.

ecko_nzed

23rd October 2012, 22:00

Vinales is en route to PI - with his new lawyer. The plot thickens...

Shit, would love to be a fly on the wall to see how it plays out.

Reckless

23rd October 2012, 22:03

YES. Its been a few years since I was there last. But PI I am there this year - next weekend. Looking forward to the racing. BRING IT ON. All you keyboard warriors see you there.

Jeepers Ducky where was my invite :(

denill

24th October 2012, 06:33

I would've thought you of all people could put personalities aside and admire pure skill Robert.

I've never got why there are so many out there (and a surprising number here) who are bent on heaping Stoner with vicious, vindictive slurs on him and specially you Robert? It's got me fukd............ Mostly Stoner's comments are honest responses to questions put to him by the media. Would you rather he gave hypocritical replies that made him popular?

Anyhow, he's got the last laugh on the tall popy syndrome affected wankers, as he's done it and they haven't. :rolleyes:

Badjelly

24th October 2012, 06:37

All you keyboard warriors see you there.

Well no. I'll be waging war with Crasher and the other Neanderthals from behind my keyboard. :( But I might see you there on the TV.

Mrs Jelly & I went to Phillip Island for MotoGP in 2005 and 2008. Camped at the circuit. Awesome! Our favourite spot is...better not tell you that, we don't want too much competition...oh, OK, it's the final turn. Tried to get there for WSBK this year, but it didn't work out. Maybe next year.

denill

24th October 2012, 06:40

Now if <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Oct/121022burgess1.htm>Jeremy Burgess writes a book I'll be in for that</A>

denill

24th October 2012, 06:42

Vinales is en route to PI - with his new lawyer. The plot thickens...

<a href=http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/185408/1/moto3_vinales_u-turn_set_to_re-join_blusens.html>Yeah, interesting!</A>

Badjelly

24th October 2012, 06:42

Stoner was about to give Lorenzo another wet weather lesson cept Lorenzo wimped out and kept asking for the race to be stopped. Kinda like...a moaner and winging poofta?!

I've never got why there are so many out there (and a surprising number here) who are bent on heaping Stoner with vicious, vindictive slurs on him...

Yeah, and why is he the only one the haters pick on?

Robert Taylor

24th October 2012, 07:03

And he's about to be a deserved Champion once again. It'll match Stoners two titles. Pretty sure Stoner beat him by more than 23 points last year though eh? 90 wasn't it?

I would've thought you of all people could put personalities aside and admire pure skill Robert.

For me its all about Yamaha winning. But yes Dani is very skilled.

Crasherfromwayback

24th October 2012, 07:04

Yeah, and why is he the only one the haters pick on?

Dunno. But so much for backing our Aussie brothers! Most if not all of it is simple petty jealousy. He has millions and millions of dollars, a drop dead gorgeous wife. He's a two times world champ that's beaten one of the worlds greatest more than he's been beaten by him (think there's more of ya reasons right there too)...and he says it like he sees it. It's all too much for them.

Bender

24th October 2012, 07:30

I'm a Stoner fan too. Strange but I'm not usually one to get emotional about particular people in any sport - I usually enjoy the game for what it is rather than get involved with personalities.

But Stoner's won me over because I find him such an exciting rider - so different to the riders who go for smooth.

I also like that he answers questions. MotoGP is another sport where the "PR" answer is too common. Riders are afraid to offend the media or sponsors so their answers and comments are like eating candy floss - quick burst of sugar and then it's gone.

That Stoner is his own man is demonstrated by his attitude. He has always said he's there to win races and if world championships come along as a result, then that's a bonus.

And when he didn't like the direction the game went, he said stuff this and resigned. Looks like he's off to V8 supercars leaving MototGP very much poorer for his departure.

DidJit

24th October 2012, 07:46

All you folk heading to Phillip Island, pics please!

Shaun

24th October 2012, 07:52

My level? I've never actually been kicked out of anywhere for theft Shaun.

1) Neither have I ever sport! Rumours and fact are very different in the real world, which the Internet isnt, I was in the workshop for a week after the Con man was Ordered out of the building for non payment of lease fees, a Fact! NOT RUMOUR

And whilst I haven't done as much road racing as your awesome self...I've done something you haven't and never will. Beaten Bruce Ainstey more often than he's beaten me. In a couple of very short seasons that I did do.

2) And you should be proud of that, he is extremelly talanted

3) you know me better than I do myself, so you know Im too much of a coward and a wanker to follow that treat through.

To the rest of the readers in this thread, sorry for the interuptions, I will be the big man and surrender to Crasherfromwayback, you win:weep:

DidJit

24th October 2012, 08:12

Y’all just need a cuddle. :grouphug:

DidJit

24th October 2012, 08:18

Those of you on Twitter, check out Michel Turco (https://twitter.com/M_Turco)’s latest pics — 2-stroke porn (https://twitter.com/M_Turco/status/260719678727524353/photo/1/large)!

RobGassit

24th October 2012, 10:05

you must live in another world than me,macdonalds is advertised absolutely everywhere,and we are hardwired for the other

I was just rewinding the big key in Roberts back to see how long he will bang his symbols for. Sometimes he outruns the Energiser bunny. If we could afford to run his gear, we probably would. I'm just stirring the KB pot.

Oscar

24th October 2012, 10:12

I was just rewinding the big key in Roberts back to see how long he will bang his symbols for. Sometimes he outruns the Energiser bunny. If we could afford to run his gear, we probably would. I'm just stirring the KB pot.

Or....maybe we could get back to talking about MotoGP's:bash:

Who's off to the Island?

Crasherfromwayback

24th October 2012, 10:15

Or....maybe we could get back to talking about MotoGP's:bash:

Who's off to the Island?

Me! Have gone with tickets for the Bass straight Stand this year!

Oscar

24th October 2012, 10:17

Me! Have gone with tickets for the Bass straight Stand this year!

Dress warmly....

puddytat

24th October 2012, 10:35

I heard on NatRad this morning that Rossi said MotoGP has become boring......anyone got the low down on that?
He's right though....

Crasherfromwayback

24th October 2012, 10:39

I heard on NatRad this morning that Rossi said MotoGP has become boring......anyone got the low down on that?
He's right though....

Does that make him a whiney bitch too then?

Oscar

24th October 2012, 10:45

I heard on NatRad this morning that Rossi said MotoGP has become boring......anyone got the low down on that?
He's right though....

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Oct/121023boring.htm

It's not looking good for the future either.
There'll be an announcement any day about spec ECU's.

Oscar

24th October 2012, 10:48

Does that make him a whiney bitch too then?

Not really.
You see Stoner's repeated comments about MotoGP being ruined flies in the face of the fact that it was his employers, Honda (who dominate the Manufacturers Assoc.) who are doing the ruining...

puddytat

24th October 2012, 10:59

Ive been saving my broad band, by only watching the 1st few laps...figure the highlights a week later on TV1 will suffice.

denill

24th October 2012, 11:26

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Oct/121023boring.htm

It's not looking good for the future either.
There'll be an announcement any day about spec ECU's.

They have to ride a bike that can do that to ya????b:(

"Since that moment something changed, and the engine was pushing me in the corner entries, and I did not know what was going on," Bradl said.

Badjelly

24th October 2012, 11:40

It's not looking good for the future either. There'll be an announcement any day about spec ECU's.

Surely the spec ECUs will help reduce the current boring-ness. More riders near the front because of a smaller difference between the leading manufacturers (Honda) and the followers. Limits on the sophistication, so no more of that different-settings-for-every-corner stuff.

Crasherfromwayback

24th October 2012, 11:42

Dress warmly....

I always do there!

Badjelly

24th October 2012, 11:43

Yeah, and why is he the only one the haters pick on?

Dunno....Most if not all of it is simple petty jealousy.

Did you know notice that clever thing I did where I put my question about Stoner-haters after a Lorenzo-hating quote from you. No? Why do I bother? :brick:

Crasherfromwayback

24th October 2012, 11:52

Did you know notice that clever thing I did where I put my question about Stoner-haters after a Lorenzo-hating quote from you. No? Why do I bother? :brick:

Nothing Lorenzo hating about me mate. I think he's one of the most talented racers on earth and will truly deserve this years title. See unlike the Stoner haters...I can easily admit how good others are.

tbs

24th October 2012, 12:09

To the rest of the readers in this thread, sorry for the interuptions, I will be the big man and surrender to Crasherfromwayback, you win:weep:

What? No! Keep at it. I was enjoying it.

About Rossi's comments and the boringness of GP, I reckon one of the main reasons it is getting boring is that the main contenders appear to get along too well. I was reading David Emmett's commentary on the Moto2 race from a few weeks ago and he was saying how the top guys, Marquez, Espargaro, and Iannone all hate each other enough to always fight tooth and nail on the track. I was reminded of the Rainey Schwantz era when those two truly hated each other and couldn't stand to be beaten by the other at all. I think they both said the other guy was the only rider they ever tried to push off the track.
I want that for the modern era. I don't want corporate stooges saying what their PR people tell them to say. I want Rossi and Biaggi having fisticuffs in the stairs and trying to push each other off the track. I want psychological games and temper tantrums, and riders throwing their toys out of the cot. The lower grades have this stuff in spades, but the premier class seems too polished and PC.

I want a BIG difference in points between 1st and 2nd spot so guys like Lorenzo never ever settle for second place but fight tooth and nail for the win.

And I want Crasher and Shaun to be at each other's throats between rounds.:kick:

Crasherfromwayback

24th October 2012, 12:19

I want a BIG difference in points between 1st and 2nd spot so guys like Lorenzo never ever settle for second place but fight tooth and nail for the win.

And I want Crasher and Shaun to be at each other's throats between rounds.:kick:

Yeah that's an idea!

And I'm up for it. If someone wants to start a pissing competition, best you be prepared to wear some urine.

Robert Taylor

24th October 2012, 12:38

Surely the spec ECUs will help reduce the current boring-ness. More riders near the front because of a smaller difference between the leading manufacturers (Honda) and the followers. Limits on the sophistication, so no more of that different-settings-for-every-corner stuff.

There are now production bikes with ''different settings for every corner stuff'' and aftermarket shocks that are the same. All originating at some degree from racing. Its perverse that such technology would be sought to be severely restricted for racing when you can purchase off a showroom floor.
This is not only about the racing itself, its about technological progress.

tail_end_charlie

24th October 2012, 13:28

There are now production bikes with ''different settings for every corner stuff'' and aftermarket shocks that are the same. All originating at some degree from racing. Its perverse that such technology would be sought to be severely restricted for racing when you can purchase off a showroom floor.

Agreed, to a certain extent.

This is not only about the racing itself, its about technological progress.

Depends on your POV:
From the manufactures, they want to win to gain publicity, therefore more likely to sell more bikes, with an end goal of making more money. An advantage to racing is that there is a trickle down effect (I would hazard a guess to say that this is probably lower priority than gaining publicity) in technology that goes into the road bikes from what they learn in racing R&D.
For the organisers, they want to gain publicity in order to obtain more sponsership and a wider audience, with an end goal of making more money. They don't care one iota about development of technology if it effects their profits. Whatever gains more publicity will gain their favor.
For the spectators, they all want to be entertained, while a much smaller minority want to be able to see and appreciate the technology behind the machines. It's these diehards (and I use that reference in a good way) are the people who go out to GPs as often as they can, who have done and will do so for years, and are also the ones who spend the week between races furiously banging away on their keyboards in forum sites discussing the sport. They are a core part of the whole symbiotic relationship, but there arn't enough of them to make the whole process profitable, therefore neither the manufactures or the organisers can bow to their express wishes. Hence rules that may slow technological development, but will (hopefully) increase the overall spectical that will be appreciated by a greater overall audience.

tail_end_charlie

24th October 2012, 13:38

What? No! Keep at it. I was enjoying it.

And I want Crasher and Shaun to be at each other's throats between rounds.:kick:

I guess it adds a certain amount of between race entertainment, but I don't like getting thrown into a generalization with any individual that I don't know just because of a common hair color. Just because one is claimed to be a.......well.........blank blank blank (whatever mulitiple unrepeatable metaphors Crasher used), doesn't mean that all of us are. I think normal people hate us just because we are immune to AIDS, so they are jealous. Get over it.

Shaun

24th October 2012, 13:43

What? No! Keep at it. I was enjoying it.

Sorry to spoil ya reading mate but cannot see the point in replying anymore to a person who types things about me being a Thief when that never happened.

all good though, there are many people on this site that know the true Shaun Harris and the good he has given back too quite a few members on here

One last time for Crasher though

Crasherfromway back, as I have said to you before, I humbly apologise for my phone call to your employers many years ago when I was a total spinner due to a little injury, NOT an exscuse dude, just a Fact.

DidJit

24th October 2012, 13:58

... This is not only about the racing itself, its about technological progress.

I think what people are trying to curb is the amount of spending required in what has become an electronics arms race. I don't think anyone wants to see technological progress halted (for the riders and teams will always want to go faster, no?). At the moment, no one but Honda can (realistically) afford the current levels of investment (and even their bean-counters are protesting), which means that the grid is barely full and the “racing” virtually non-existent. Are we all in agreement? All of this has been covered ad infinitum all over the interwebs...

So, the trick is: how is Honda’s big budget advantage curbed to allow other players to play in the same arena (creating some of that racing we all want to see while not impeding the engineers)? A spec-ECU is one idea (which Honda don't completely object to, by the way, just the expense in re-writing their proprietary software to sync with Magneti-Marelli’s), but there could be other avenues... Tyre performance perhaps? (Look what the 2012 Bridgestones did to the RC213V...) Fuel allowance for factories versus privateers? (e.g. say 18L vs. 24L; meaning a factory’s electronics budget is spent working out how to make the 18 litres last race distance while the privateers gleefully twist the throttle and map the ECU to whatever other function they like...) Or, maybe, the privateers get electronically aided suspension (reducing their bike’s need for traction control as you mentioned earlier) while the factories get the current method of suspension? Just throwing ideas out there but you get I mean...

Anyhoo, we’re obviously not the rule makers or decision makers so our conjecture, speculation and theorizing is just enthusiast hand-wringing. ;) I applaud Dorna for trying to make the show better and I applaud the factories for their relentless quest to be the best — hopefully some compromise is made and some stable regulations set in place soon so that the show can roll on and we continue to enjoy premier class racing. :)

Oscar

24th October 2012, 14:03

DidJit

24th October 2012, 14:12

Pray tell, o sage one, what is in then? You have the inside word, don’t you? C’mon, out with it. :)

Drew

24th October 2012, 14:14

Shaun

24th October 2012, 14:28

Fuck me, I just spent twenty minutes forming a multi quote piss take of everyones favourite gnome.

But I really think it just falls into cyber bullying at this point. Cunt's obviously off the meds again.

Shaun, sort it man. You are looking a bigger cock than I do most of the time, that is not an accolade.

Sorry Drew, fully on the meds dude! I guess that is why I am so calm these days,glad I never took them before I stopped racing, I might have been a pussy as a rider also, like others on here haha, not mentioning any names of course

The gnome;)

Drew

24th October 2012, 14:44

Sorry Drew, fully on the meds dude! I guess that is why I am so calm these days,glad I never took them before I stopped racing, I might have been a pussy as a rider also, like others on here haha, not mentioning any names of course

The gnome;)Are you fuckin kidding? You're talking just like after the crash. Guess you're out of excuses then.

tbs

24th October 2012, 15:45

Ah well, maybe I shouldn't be encouraging you guys....

Anyway, I think Dorna agree with my sentiments about riders hating each other and they're manufacturing controversy for the future. I'm talking about Marquez. There seems to be very little that he can do that won't go un-punished.... for now. He's going to hit the premier class next year thinking he can keep pulling off his signature moves. I can't wait for him to try one of those on one of the big dogs of MotoGP and get metaphorically smacked across the nose with a rolled up newspaper like the impertinent little pup he is. It's going to be great!

I think he's a little prick. But he's got serious talent and that's exactly what we need to get some decent personality politics going again in the big class. Was I the only one cackling at the TV when he slid off the track the other night?

tail_end_charlie

24th October 2012, 16:00

Anyway, I think Dorna agree with my sentiments about riders hating each other and they're manufacturing controversy for the future. I'm talking about Marquez. There seems to be very little that he can do that won't go un-punished.... for now. He's going to hit the premier class next year thinking he can keep pulling off his signature moves. I can't wait for him to try one of those on one of the big dogs of MotoGP and get metaphorically smacked across the nose with a rolled up newspaper like the impertinent little pup he is. It's going to be great!

I think he's a little prick. But he's got serious talent and that's exactly what we need to get some decent personality politics going again in the big class. Was I the only one cackling at the TV when he slid off the track the other night?

Ha ha ha, hell no you weren't the only one. I was dancing with glee as I watched his ass slid the track and into the kitty litter. And yes, I also think he is a very talented little shit who will spice things up next year. It'll be very interesting to see how he goes in the end of season test at Valencia on the thou.

Crasherfromwayback

24th October 2012, 16:03

k. But he's got serious talent and that's exactly what we need to get some decent personality politics going again in the big class.

. And yes, I also think he is a very talented little shit who will spice things up next year. It'll be very interesting to see how he goes in the end of season test at Valencia on the thou.

Agree with both of you.

Shaun

24th October 2012, 16:06

Are you fuckin kidding? You're talking just like after the crash. Guess you're out of excuses then.

Bugger, was hoping no one would notice, O well, back to the psychiactric ward for me and me me me then

Scouse

24th October 2012, 18:41

Fuck me, I just spent twenty minutes forming a multi quote piss take of everyones favourite gnome.

But I really think it just falls into cyber bullying at this point. Cunt's obviously off the meds again.

Shaun, sort it man. You are looking a bigger cock than I do most of the time, that is not an accolade.

Are you fuckin kidding? You're talking just like after the crash. Guess you're out of excuses then.What a knob end, it wasnt even your pissing contest to march into, picking on the gnome only makes you a spinless weasel. TWAT

Drew

24th October 2012, 18:49

What a knob end, it wasnt even your pissing contest to march into, picking on the gnome only makes you a spinless weasel. TWAT

Hahahahahahahaha. Gold!

Shaun

25th October 2012, 06:23

Hahahahahahahaha. Gold!

Cheers Scouse, Hey Drew, that was a good meal for ya

Drew

25th October 2012, 07:02

Cheers Scouse, Hey Drew, that was a good meal for yaI don't get what you mean.

Back to the GP. I reckon even money says Stoner doesn't just walk away with it like he has previously. Pedro and Lorenzo are kinda motivated right now, to do the bizzo.

Tony.OK

25th October 2012, 07:32

Stoner will go hard............too hard and punt Hoorhay off..............leaving Pedro to romp it home and really tighten up the points for the last round :clap:

Drew

25th October 2012, 07:35

Stoner will go hard............too hard and punt Hoorhay off..............leaving Pedro to romp it home and really tighten up the points for the last round :clap:I really really really want Pedrosa to win the title. But it's gonna take something like you say to happen, because Lorenzo seems pretty happy to take second place for the rest of the season, to get the number 1 on his bike.

DidJit

25th October 2012, 07:57

Stoner
Pedrosa
Lorenzo

Shaun

25th October 2012, 08:06

I don't get what you mean.

shit steering troll for a laugh who got his meal

tail_end_charlie

25th October 2012, 09:20

Really would like to see Stoner take the win at PI. Dani is absolutely on fire right now and he should do well, hopefully second place, but we'll see. Can't forget that Jorge is trying to stretch the lifespan of his five engines. There is still a distinct possibility that he could start from pit lane at some point, or else run the last two races on tired engines. I suspect he's looking big picture rather than trying to mix it up with Casey on his home turf, and so will feel fine taking third.

So, podium roster:
Stoner
Pedrosa
Lorenzo

Though I would really like to see a Ducati up there too (yeah, I know, only if it rains).

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Oct/121024ps.htm

tbs

25th October 2012, 09:37

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Oct/121024ps.htm[/url]

Amen to that.

DidJit

25th October 2012, 09:49

tail_end_charlie

25th October 2012, 10:31

Speaking of engines (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/10/24/the_engine_situation_will_lorenzo_make_i.html)... it seems HRC is turning up the wick on theirs: 16,500+ revs (http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?/topic/15379-honda-engine-is-off-the-leash/) apparently.

Interesting. Looks like maybe JL will make it though the season on 5 engines. Though that does mean lots of engine swaps in the last two race weekends, which is more opportunities for things to go wrong. I know that his crew is probably some of the best in the world, but the more work you do on stuff, the more likely you are to screw something up. That and the fact that he's using well used engines could mean a failure at a particularly bad spot, resulting in a crash. All in all though, he's still got the odds in his favor that everything will go ok and he'll take out the championship this year.

In other news, Ben (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Oct/121024nh7wsa.htm) might just be done for the season. Its been a difficult season to be a Ben Spies fan. :(

Drew

25th October 2012, 10:41

shit steering troll for a laugh who got his mealOh right. Win:cool:

With two rounds to go, I think Yamaha have done what they need to, in order to not have a pit lane start.

A motor failure would be a fuck of a way to lose the title, but it's more likely than him having to start from the back. Which even if he did, I'm pretty sure he could cut far enough up the field to get enough points for the pound spot of the season.

SimJen

25th October 2012, 10:44

Interesting the one ecu rule in BSB is not working as well as everyone thought:
courtesy of fastbikes:
"Uh ho, Team WFR have pulled out of BSB for 2013, and it looks as though Swan Yamaha may be about to follow suit. As Shaun Muir told us back in April, electronics may be a spec' unit now, but Swan still spent just as much and maybe a little more this year, on the staff to make the most out of all those zeroes and ones. That means the top teams are still top, as they can afford the best, which almost makes a mockery of the spec' ECU in the first place, even if the idea remains sound. Carmelo Ezpeleta, take note!"

Shaun

25th October 2012, 10:48

Oh right. Win:cool:

With two rounds to go, I think Yamaha have done what they need to, in order to not have a pit lane start.

A motor failure would be a fuck of a way to lose the title, but it's more likely than him having to start from the back. Which even if he did, I'm pretty sure he could cut far enough up the field to get enough points for the pound spot of the season.

A Pit lane start wont stop him from obtaining enough points, a 4th would do it for him

Drew

25th October 2012, 10:52

A Pit lane start wont stop him from obtaining enough points, a 4th would do it for himYeah, that's what I mean.

If this round Pedro get second, it's 20 points. Third is 18 points I think, so the gap drops to 21 if Lorenzo gets that. So as little as five points in the final round is still winning.

I might be a point or two off on third place, but it's not even a stretch for Jeorge to pull it off either way.

roogazza

25th October 2012, 10:57

Back to the GP. I reckon even money says Stoner doesn't just walk away with it like he has previously. Pedro and Lorenzo are kinda motivated right now, to do the bizzo.

I think you have it in a nutshell there. He's had a great run at the Island, but he's not on top form for whatever reason and probably thinking of retirement and his family right now.
Why would he risk it all ?

Shaun

25th October 2012, 10:59

Yeah, that's what I mean.

If this round Pedro get second, it's 20 points. Third is 18 points I think, so the gap drops to 21 if Lorenzo gets that. So as little as five points in the final round is still winning.

I might be a point or two off on third place, but it's not even a stretch for Jeorge to pull it off either way.

Exactually and as Jeorge is riding to win a championship not just races, it would take a major dissaster for him and Yamaha not be NO1 Again

I have been extremelly impressed with Pedos form and attitude though, he really has come of age, and hope he carries it on into 2013

Shaun

25th October 2012, 11:02

I think you have it in a nutshell there. He's had a great run at the Island, but he's not on top form for whatever reason and probably thinking of retirement and his family right now.
Why would he risk it all ?

CS will go for it I reckon, I can see a win coming for him there with 100% commitment and Pedro 2nd and Jorge 3rd

denill

25th October 2012, 11:19

Riders are remembered for the Championships they have won - not the races they have won. George is riding smart and will continue to ride smart, so Crasher, don't expect to see him in a ding dong.

Stoner will try for the win, but as Gazza says, he's still riding damaged. However I would take a small bet on him winning at PI.

PS: Turn 3 will be known as <a href=http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/185393/1/phillip_island_honour_for_stoner.html>Stoner Corner:</A>

Drew

25th October 2012, 11:36

denill

25th October 2012, 11:36

Warning: <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Oct/121024a.htm> Do not watch this video if you hate to witness a determined and successful racer. It may cause some to suffer severe loathing and frothing of the mouth.</A>

denill

25th October 2012, 11:37

Tell that to the hordes of people who think Nicky Hayden didn't deserve his title.

I think he deserved his title. Don't you? :rolleyes:

Maido

25th October 2012, 11:37

CS will go for it I reckon, I can see a win coming for him there with 100% commitment and Pedro 2nd and Jorge 3rd

agreed. :)

DidJit

25th October 2012, 11:41

Stoner is gonna give it his absolute all. This is the last time that he's going to be racing a GP bike at Phillip Island, so there won't be anything left in the tank. Like he said just after his ankle injury, they can duct tape him to the bike if it means him riding his last race at home. Look at what home ground emotion did for Khairuddin and Syahrin last weekend. If Stoner stays on the bike and the race remains dry, I reckon this could well end up being one of his best rides ever. CFWB and all you other folk at the Island this weekend: enjoy!

Drew

25th October 2012, 11:46

I think he deserved his title. Don't you? :rolleyes:Best average of results for the season wins. There is no question.

ecko_nzed

25th October 2012, 12:17

Best average of results for the season wins. There is no question.

That sounds a lot like math, I thought it had more to do with the size of ones testicular circumference?

Drew

25th October 2012, 12:28

That sounds a lot like math, I thought it had more to do with the size of ones testicular circumference?That is only relevant when doing wheelies, on an RVF 400.

tbs

25th October 2012, 13:09

Tell that to the hordes of people who think Nicky Hayden didn't deserve his title.

Those hordes annoy me..... because he obviously did.

He accrued the most points in the season, and won the title. He could have wrapped it up in the second to last race but his team-mate took him down. (Payback's a bitch eh Dani?....) Then he held his nerve when Rossi binned it to take the title in the final race. Great stuff!

He beat Rossi's Yamaha on a Honda that wasn't the best bike on the track, and he did it while acting as a virtual test mule for Honda's engineering department.

The following year pretty much sucked for Nicky. Second worst title defense ever as I recall, but what the haters don't seem to realize was that Honda had completely dropped the ball on their design for the new 800. They made it so short that it pitched back and forth on throttle and brakes far too much for a rider of Nicky's size, making it highly unstable both going in and accelerating out of a corner. They pretty much made it for Dani, but even he didn't like it very much. I've got matching photos of Nicky and Dani braking into a turn and Nicky's forks are totally bottomed while Dani's have about an inch of travel left. Poor bugger never stood a chance.

Then of course he went to Ducati and struggled with it like every other non-Australian rider on the grid. This year he showed what a class rider he really is by consistently matching or outpacing Vale in qualifying and race pace. He took off like a jack-rabbit in some races until is tire performance prematurely fell off, and he tried bold moves toward race ends in an effort to get a better than 6th place, which didn't always work out well, but Vale seemed relatively happy to ride along behind and pick up any places which fell into his lap.

Until Indy, I reckon Nicky was well placed to beat Rossi on points this season, but of course his season was ruined by the same corner that ruined Casey's season (and ankle)

I'm looking froward to him as No 1 Ducati rider next season, and I hope Audi's money builds him a bike that is capable of fighting for better than 5th or 6th place.

Maybe then he might get the credit he deserves.

Drew

25th October 2012, 13:24

Those hordes annoy me..... because he obviously did.

He accrued the most points in the season, and won the title. He could have wrapped it up in the second to last race but his team-mate took him down. (Payback's a bitch eh Dani?....) Then he held his nerve when Rossi binned it to take the title in the final race. Great stuff!

He beat Rossi's Yamaha on a Honda that wasn't the best bike on the track, and he did it while acting as a virtual test mule for Honda's engineering department.

The following year pretty much sucked for Nicky. Second worst title defense ever as I recall, but what the haters don't seem to realize was that Honda had completely dropped the ball on their design for the new 800. They made it so short that it pitched back and forth on throttle and brakes far too much for a rider of Nicky's size, making it highly unstable both going in and accelerating out of a corner. They pretty much made it for Dani, but even he didn't like it very much. I've got matching photos of Nicky and Dani braking into a turn and Nicky's forks are totally bottomed while Dani's have about an inch of travel left. Poor bugger never stood a chance.

Then of course he went to Ducati and struggled with it like every other non-Australian rider on the grid. This year he showed what a class rider he really is by consistently matching or outpacing Vale in qualifying and race pace. He took off like a jack-rabbit in some races until is tire performance prematurely fell off, and he tried bold moves toward race ends in an effort to get a better than 6th place, which didn't always work out well, but Vale seemed relatively happy to ride along behind and pick up any places which fell into his lap.

Until Indy, I reckon Nicky was well placed to beat Rossi on points this season, but of course his season was ruined by the same corner that ruined Casey's season (and ankle)

I'm looking froward to him as No 1 Ducati rider next season, and I hope Audi's money builds him a bike that is capable of fighting for better than 5th or 6th place.

Maybe then he might get the credit he deserves.Show me these results Hayden/Valentino for this year, I certainly haven't seen him out do or match him.

All the rest I don't disagree with.

tbs

25th October 2012, 13:45

Show me these results Hayden/Valentino for this year, I certainly haven't seen him out do or match him.

All the rest I don't disagree with.

Well without digging too deep, there was the last race.

tail_end_charlie

25th October 2012, 13:59

Show me these results Hayden/Valentino for this year, I certainly haven't seen him out do or match him.

All the rest I don't disagree with.

(Qualifing position-Race position)

Place...........................Total....QAT.....S PA....POR...FRA....CAT....GBR......NED.....GER.... ITL......USA.......INP....CZH...RSM...ARG....JPN.. ...MAL
6..........ROSSI.Valentino..148....12-10....13-9....9-7....7-2....9-7....10-9....10-13....9-6....10-5....10-NC....11-7....6-7....6-2....8-8....9-7....11-5

9..........HAYDEN Nicky.....114.....5-6.......3-8...10-11..11-6...7-9.....7-7......9-6.....7-10....4-7......8-6.......8-NS....-.....10-7...9-NC..10-8....9-4

F****** if I can figure out how to insert a proper table.:scratch:

Drew

25th October 2012, 14:06

Well without digging too deep, there was the last race.Ummmm, nope.

Pain in the arse to look up. Seems to have finished ahead of Rossi 6 or maybe seven times. With no podiums.

16 races been, so 9 or 10 times beating Hayden, with 2 podiums.

Pretty clear.

Drew

25th October 2012, 14:08

tbs

25th October 2012, 14:18

Ummmm, nope.

Pain in the arse to look up. Seems to have finished ahead of Rossi 6 or maybe seven times. With no podiums.

16 races been, so 9 or 10 times beating Hayden, with 2 podiums.

Pretty clear.

I think the difference is in consistency. Nicky is always there or thereabouts (riding injured aside), and up until mid season this year he very rarely crashed, while Rossi could ride brilliantly one race (usually in the wet) and then be completely pants the next.

If (as Rossi once rather famously claimed) the rider is the biggest factor rather than the bike, then the one so often called the GOAT should have been consistently beating Nicky, but their on track pace and points tally was pretty even until Nicky's high-side at Indy.

Some of those times then Vale beat Nicky was when Nicky was ahead, and pushing really hard to make a couple of extra places. I can't remember which race it was, but case in point was when Nicky put a clean move on Bautista and then Bautista came back next corner and nearly punted Nicky into the gravel, at which point Rossi the opportunist slid on by.

tail_end_charlie

25th October 2012, 14:27

Some of those times then Vale beat Nicky was when Nicky was ahead, and pushing really hard to make a couple of extra places. I can't remember which race it was, but case in point was when Nicky put a clean move on Bautista and then Bautista came back next corner and nearly punted Nicky into the gravel, at which point Rossi the opportunist slid on by.

You thinking of the Sachsenring? Where he put a bit of a hard move on Bradl, and then next corner Bradl put an equally hard move on him and Nicky did well to keep the bike upright? Thats when they (Nicky and Bradl) were fighting for fifth, and when Nicky went off track he lost 2 seconds and 5 places. Rossi ended up taking advantage and picking up like 2 positions on the last couple laps.

tbs

25th October 2012, 14:38

You thinking of the Sachsenring? Where he put a bit of a hard move on Bradl, and then next corner Bradl put an equally hard move on him and Nicky did well to keep the bike upright? Thats when they (Nicky and Bradl) were fighting for fifth, and when Nicky went off track he lost 2 seconds and 5 places. Rossi ended up taking advantage and picking up like 2 positions on the last couple laps.

Yup, but I never thought Nicky's move was all that hard. Maybe it was, but it was clean... He got past cleanly and then Bradl put a pretty rugged move on him in return.... and yes, he did well to keep it upright. (apologies to Bautista).

SimJen

25th October 2012, 14:55

If (as Rossi once rather famously claimed) the rider is the biggest factor rather than the bike, then the one so often called the GOAT should have been consistently beating Nicky, but their on track pace and points tally was pretty even until Nicky's high-side at Indy.

Some of those times then Vale beat Nicky was when Nicky was ahead, and pushing really hard to make a couple of extra places. I can't remember which race it was, but case in point was when Nicky put a clean move on Bautista and then Bautista came back next corner and nearly punted Nicky into the gravel, at which point Rossi the opportunist slid on by.

I'm pretty sure it was Jeremy Burgess that made that statement?
Rossi has had higher placed finishes and despite all of the problems for both riders will still finish ahead of Hayden in points.
This makes him more successful on that bike than his teammate, simple as that!
Points win prizes.

tbs

25th October 2012, 15:51

I'm pretty sure it was Jeremy Burgess that made that statement?
Rossi has had higher placed finishes and despite all of the problems for both riders will still finish ahead of Hayden in points.
This makes him more successful on that bike than his teammate, simple as that!
Points win prizes.

Yes, Rossi has been more successful on the Ducati, both years. 139 points to Nicky's 132 last year. But my point was that Nicky has a lot of detractors, but the margin between them has been slim. And up until Nicky's crash at Indy they were very close again, and I thought Nicky was trying harder than Rossi, which sometimes cost places and points. I was gunning for him to beat Vale this year, but of course the Indy crash totally stuffed that.

Rossi has had some pretty good rides this year, but other times his bike has just seemed like a really bad hair day and he can't seem to do anything with it.

And as you say, points win prizes, which is why Nicky deserved that 2006 title.

tail_end_charlie

25th October 2012, 16:36

Yes, Rossi has been more successful on the Ducati, both years. 139 points to Nicky's 132 last year. But my point was that Nicky has a lot of detractors, but the margin between them has been slim. And up until Nicky's crash at Indy they were very close again, and I thought Nicky was trying harder than Rossi, which sometimes cost places and points. I was gunning for him to beat Vale this year, but of course the Indy crash totally stuffed that.

Rossi has had some pretty good rides this year, but other times his bike has just seemed like a really bad hair day and he can't seem to do anything with it.

And as you say, points win prizes, which is why Nicky deserved that 2006 title.

Yep.

I nearly had a heart attack when Ben stuffed it up the inside of Nicky at Motegi.

Robert Taylor

25th October 2012, 17:24

merv

25th October 2012, 18:15

Or Honda will ask him to take Jorge out..............

Or perhaps Rossi could do that (accidentally :lol:) when George laps him.

tail_end_charlie

26th October 2012, 09:17

Well, thats chopped it. Ben's out ("http://www.motomatters.com/news/2012/10/25/season_over_for_ben_spies_shoulder_surge.html) for the season as well as post season testing. Sure hope that he gets into a better head space next season.

tbs

26th October 2012, 12:10

jasonu

26th October 2012, 13:15

If (as Rossi once rather famously claimed) the rider is the biggest factor rather than the bike, then the one so often called the GOAT should have been consistently .

Ricky Carmichael is the GOAT.

merv

26th October 2012, 13:22

Ricky Carmichael is the GOAT.
Wonder if he'll take up road racing then.

BMWST?

26th October 2012, 17:25

Casey is ONE SECOND PER LAP faster than Jorge in second and Dani in third,dovi in fourth

onearmedbandit

26th October 2012, 17:34

Linky to free practice.

http://cricfree.tv/live/live_f1_motogp_free/motorcycling/1419

BMWST?

26th October 2012, 19:35

Or Honda will ask him to take Jorge out..............

Robert whilst your loyalty to Jorge/Yamaha is to be admired your negativity re the other riders and teams is breathtaking.I truly beleive
1) Honda would never ever suggest such a thing.I suggest they would be consider that very dishonorable
2)Dani wouldnt do it
3)Casey wouldnt do it

Shaun

27th October 2012, 07:02

merv

27th October 2012, 07:18

I am sure his comment was meant with humour mate

Yeah for sure because when he's serious he'll mention Margaret Thatcher in the post.

Shaun

27th October 2012, 07:34

Yeah for sure because when he's serious he'll mention Margaret Thatcher in the post.

Only cause he really is a LESBIAN, lucky bugger

george formby

27th October 2012, 08:39

Linky to free practice.

http://cricfree.tv/live/live_f1_motogp_free/motorcycling/1419

On ya! Beat me to it. Qualifying is on live later today & the races, of course, tomorrow. How come I only found this site at the end of the season? Doh!

Channel guide (http://cricfree.tv/live/index.php)

pritch

27th October 2012, 13:24

Robert whilst your loyalty to Jorge/Yamaha is to be admired your negativity re the other riders and teams is breathtaking.I truly beleive
1) Honda would never ever suggest such a thing.I suggest they would be consider that very dishonorable
2)Dani wouldnt do it
3)Casey wouldnt do it

But it has been done. I don't know if it has happened in the premier class, but there has been skulduggery in the smaller classes. Not usually factory related the motivation has been the nationality of the riders. Since both contenders in this case are Spanish the situation should remain uncomplicated.

BMWST?

27th October 2012, 13:35

but dani is not quite on the pace

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1
1
Casey STONER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Casey+Stoner)
AUS
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
334.1
1'29.665

2
99
Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo)
SPA
Yamaha Factory Racing
Yamaha
332.4
1'30.684
1.019 / 1.019

3
26
Dani PEDROSA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Dani+Pedrosa)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
334.4
1'30.981
1.316 / 0.297

4
35
Cal CRUTCHLOW (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Cal+Crutchlow)
GBR
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
335.0
1'31.197
1.532 / 0.216

5
4
Andrea DOVIZIOSO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Dovizioso)
ITA
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
332.9
1'31.438
1.773 / 0.241

6
19
Alvaro BAUTISTA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Alvaro+Bautista)
SPA
San Carlo Honda Gresini
Honda
333.5
1'31.635
1.970 / 0.197

7
14
Randy DE PUNIET (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Randy+de+Puniet)
FRA
Power Electronics Aspar
ART
320.2
1'31.651
1.986 / 0.016

8
6
Stefan BRADL (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Stefan+Bradl)
GER
LCR Honda MotoGP
Honda
337.7
1'31.821
2.156 / 0.170

9
46
Valentino ROSSI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Valentino+Rossi)
ITA
Ducati Team
Ducati
335.3
1'32.058
2.393 / 0.237

10
17
Karel ABRAHAM (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Karel+Abraham)
CZE
Cardion AB Motoracing
Ducati
338.0
1'32.081
2.416 / 0.023

11
41
Aleix ESPARGARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Aleix+Espargaro)
SPA
Power Electronics Aspar
ART
318.9
1'32.141
2.476 / 0.060

12
69
Nicky HAYDEN (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Nicky+Hayden)
USA
Ducati Team
Ducati
332.2
1'32.366
2.701 / 0.225

13
8
Hector BARBERA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Hector+Barbera)
SPA
Pramac Racing Team
Ducati
330.8
1'33.185
3.520 / 0.819

14
9
Danilo PETRUCCI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Danilo+Petrucci)
ITA
Came IodaRacing Project
Ioda-Suter
310.2
1'33.586
3.921 / 0.401

15
84
Roberto ROLFO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Roberto+Rolfo)
ITA
Speed Master
ART
313.5
1'33.911
4.246 / 0.325

16
77
James ELLISON (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/James+Ellison)
GBR
Paul Bird Motorsport
ART
316.6
1'34.108
4.443 / 0.197

17
51
Michele PIRRO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Michele+Pirro)
ITA
San Carlo Honda Gresini
FTR
313.2
1'34.183
4.518 / 0.075

18
5
Colin EDWARDS (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Colin+Edwards)
USA
NGM Mobile Forward Racing
Suter
316.9
1'34.303
4.638 / 0.120

19
22
Ivan SILVA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Ivan+Silva)
SPA
Avintia Blusens
BQR
313.6
1'34.407
4.742 / 0.104

43
Kris McLAREN (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Kris+Mclaren)
AUS
Avintia Blusens
BQR
306.0
1'36.251
6.586 / 1.844

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Fastest Lap:
Lap: 15
Casey STONER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Casey+Stoner)
1'29.665
178.6 Km/h

Circuit Record Lap:
2008
Nicky HAYDEN (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Nicky+Hayden)
1'30.059
177.8 Km/h

Best Lap:
2008
Casey STONER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Casey+Stoner)
1'28.665
180.6 Km/h

</tbody>

BMWST?

27th October 2012, 13:37

I am sure his comment was meant with humour mate

I hope so Shaun

McWild

27th October 2012, 17:06

Stoner on pole.

I'm predicting he won't see lower than first place all race long, except maybe if Dani catches him at the starting line. And even then it won't be long til Dani gets passed.

Stoner has no reason not to go hell for leather these last two races. He aint winning the championship, he doesn't need to please anyone for contracts next year, he certainly isn't shy of engines. These are his last two chances to make a statement in his riding career, he isn't going to piss about with winning them. I think it's unlikely Pedrosa or Lorenzo will get in his way given those factors: the points mean too much for them, and they know what Stoner's situation is.

Robert Taylor

27th October 2012, 19:28

BMWST?

27th October 2012, 19:50

Honda HATE losing, care to bet on it?

I dont mind Dani, its Stoner that Ive got absolutely no time for.

Well get ready to see lots of Mr Stoner tomorrow,and i am quite happy to take a bet that no Honda will interfere with Mr Lorenzo tomorrow

Mental Trousers

27th October 2012, 22:24

merv

27th October 2012, 22:30

What's happened to our operative in the field Mr crasherfromwayback who should have been posting up to the minute communiques to keep his KB fans back home informed? Wouldn't Rach let you use some data up on her smartphone?

GD66

28th October 2012, 00:03

I dont mind Dani, its Stoner that Ive got absolutely no time for.

May as well not bother watching then...:nya:

Brian d marge

28th October 2012, 00:57

Honda HATE losing, care to bet on it?

I dont mind Dani, its Stoner that Ive got absolutely no time for.

I work for Honda ,,,,I KNOW what they are like

Stephen

ps, its not that flash

tail_end_charlie

28th October 2012, 01:19

Honda HATE losing, care to bet on it?

I dont mind Dani, its Stoner that Ive got absolutely no time for.

That's a bit odd.

Anyways, how bout that FP3 lap from Randy!! And not a bad job in qualifying either! He may crash a lot, but he is fast when he keeps the rubber side down. (And yes I can mention CRTs, cause Crasher is obviously too busy at PI to ridicule anyone who mentions CRT in a positive light).

Still pulling for Dani to take second over Lorenzo.

Also found it interesting that Bradl was consistently fast through the first section, second only to Casey. If he finds some more in the other sections he could be threatening...........to everyone but Stoner of course.

roogazza

28th October 2012, 08:18

I think it's unlikely Pedrosa or Lorenzo will get in his way given those factors: the points mean too much for them, and they know what Stoner's situation is.

Qual was a bit of anti climax for me. Pedro and JL were busy watching each other, (and lets face it that's the high point of this race ). Stoner, .5 sec in front for pole, looking happy and waving to the crowd of Aussies.
I have a strange feeling for this one. We'll see this avo I suppose. :(

Robert Taylor

28th October 2012, 09:20

Well get ready to see lots of Mr Stoner tomorrow,and i am quite happy to take a bet that no Honda will interfere with Mr Lorenzo tomorrow

While it can never be substantiated Ive heard more than a few rumours over the years of what things were done that were ''the other side of the line'' to enable this Aussie to get to Europe. That has over time placed enough doubt in my mind to have a dislike for him. Such things are never published because they are potentially libellous, so dont ask me to repeat them here .( Its amazing what you hear when you spend time in Europe, and I also know some indusry people including some Aussies that work at the sharp end in MotoGP.) When he is ''down in the dumps'' because things are not going so well he wont even look at the cameras and clearly has a surly nature, thats very dislikeable. Rossi hasnt had a good couple of seasons but he can still smile at all the fans. ( Actually Jorge and Dani could both learn from that as well )
The only two things that he has going for him ( in my mind ) are the leathers he is attired with ( Alpinestars ) and the suspension he uses ( Ohlins ) Yes he likely will win today because of his great talent, but if Jorge or Dani spoil his party( on their own merits ) that would be great. I also firmly believe that if he and Jorge were on identical bikes Jorge would over the course of a season stay upright for longer and have more points at the end of a season. Which is exactly where Jorge is now, on a bike that is clearly now not as quick as the Honda, and he is further hampered by a shortage of engines ( too many blow-ups ) so Yamaha clearly have to be conservative with the engine settings.
Also has anyone else thought that because Moaner is ( because of his own failings ) now not going for a championship Honda will have turned the wick up on his engine for this round?
If for some reason Jorge stumbles today or at the final round then Dani will be a very worthy champion. If Honda use their brains and Moaner and Dani are running one two then they should have team orders ( as In F1 ) to let the guy fighting for the championship win the race. This is more than about the riders.

McWild

28th October 2012, 10:50

If for some reason Jorge stumbles today or at the final round then Dani will be a very worthy champion. If Honda use their brains and Moaner and Dani are running one two then they should have team orders ( as In F1 ) to let the guy fighting for the championship win the race. This is more than about the riders.

It just doesn't seem to me that Stoner could give two shits about team orders. MotoGP really doesn't have anything to offer him. He isn't poor, and he's retiring asap. If he ever did come back to MotoGP I'll bet my first born that he does so with a different manufacturer - do what Rossi couldn't etc.

wayne

28th October 2012, 11:01

robert let it go , he rides good , build a bridge ,

Robert Taylor

28th October 2012, 11:11

robert let it go , he rides good , build a bridge ,

Yes he does ride good and I acknowledged that, but my other comments steadfastly remain. I dont have to like him and that wont happen anytime soon given the unsavoury stuff that I have heard from people very close to his coalface. Anyway, what will be will be.

wayne

28th October 2012, 11:13

robert,
"this is more than about the riders"

??????????????

Robert Taylor

28th October 2012, 11:26

robert,
"this is more than about the riders"

??????????????

You dont get it do you? Honda want to win the championship ( as do Yamaha ) and they have ( in reality ) been mortal enemies for decades. If Stoner and Pedrosa are running one two this afternoon it would MAKE PERFECT SENSE to have team orders to allow Pedrosa through to win, thereby collecting a bigger points haul against Lorenzo. This happens all the time in Formula 1, theres always a debate about the ethics in doing so but MANUFACTURERS WANT TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS and the rider is ( in cold hard ''inhuman'' terms ) just part of the equation.
Heck if I was Nakamoto ( the Japanese Honda team manager / minder ) Id be doing that, even if there had to be a substanial backhander to the Aussie. In case you are not aware this is actually a business at that level.

wayne

28th October 2012, 11:38

maybe tour de france is more you go then

BMWST?

28th October 2012, 11:43

While it can never be substantiated Ive heard more than a few rumours over the years of what things were done that were ''the other side of the line'' to enable this Aussie to get to Europe. That has over time placed enough doubt in my mind to have a dislike for him. Such things are never published because they are potentially libellous, so dont ask me to repeat them here .( Its amazing what you hear when you spend time in Europe, and I also know some indusry people including some Aussies that work at the sharp end in MotoGP.) When he is ''down in the dumps'' because things are not going so well he wont even look at the cameras and clearly has a surly nature, thats very dislikeable. Rossi hasnt had a good couple of seasons but he can still smile at all the fans. ( Actually Jorge and Dani could both learn from that as well )
The only two things that he has going for him ( in my mind ) are the leathers he is attired with ( Alpinestars ) and the suspension he uses ( Ohlins ) Yes he likely will win today because of his great talent, but if Jorge or Dani spoil his party( on their own merits ) that would be great. I also firmly believe that if he and Jorge were on identical bikes Jorge would over the course of a season stay upright for longer and have more points at the end of a season. Which is exactly where Jorge is now, on a bike that is clearly now not as quick as the Honda, and he is further hampered by a shortage of engines ( too many blow-ups ) so Yamaha clearly have to be conservative with the engine settings.
Also has anyone else thought that because Moaner is ( because of his own failings ) now not going for a championship Honda will have turned the wick up on his engine for this round?
If for some reason Jorge stumbles today or at the final round then Dani will be a very worthy champion. If Honda use their brains and Moaner and Dani are running one two then they should have team orders ( as In F1 ) to let the guy fighting for the championship win the race. This is more than about the riders.

Laughable.If Honda were who you say they were they would turn the wick DOWN so that he wouldnt beat Dani.And whats wrong with Nolan and Brembo?
I beleive the Stoner family sacrificed a great deal to get Casey to where he is now.Perhaps some of the social aspects of Caseys behaviour you seem to despise are due to his unusual upbringing.It would be a sad sad world if personalities and behaviour were all of the Rossi,and Hayden mould.
I cant wait for the last two races,and let Dani and Jorge bring this to a close.Its up to those two,and in my mind Jorge cant lose