MotoGP 2012 [Archive] - Page 16

Crasherfromwayback

13th November 2012, 07:26

Well I reckon Mark Marquez is going to give the lot of them a right rev up next year....going from 33 on the grid to 11th in the first lap is farkin amazing & to be 9th by lap 3 :motu:
Brilliant controlled ride in difficult conditions & a well deserved champion who makes the rest of them seem like pussies...

Yeah pretty awesome effort! He just needs to clean his act up a bit. Think he'll be pretty exciting next year quite quickly.

Oscar

13th November 2012, 08:13

Well I reckon Mark Marquez is going to give the lot of them a right rev up next year....going from 33 on the grid to 11th in the first lap is farkin amazing & to be 9th by lap 3 :motu:
Brilliant controlled ride in difficult conditions & a well deserved champion who makes the rest of them seem like pussies...

So anyone wanna talk about him fiddling with the ECU on the bike?
He is an alien...

Shaun

13th November 2012, 08:18

So anyone wanna talk about him fiddling with the ECU on the bike?
He is an alien...

That bullshit rumour was cleared up weeks ago dude, what they were adjusting was legal and just dam cleaver of his crew

denill

13th November 2012, 08:42

I reckon Spies or his Mum has pissed someone off that they shouldn't of and his season has been sabotaged, there is no way that you can have that much bad luck!!

Agree. Can't help thinking there's some stuff we don't know. ;)

denill

13th November 2012, 08:44

Shaun

13th November 2012, 08:52

Anyone who's as good as MM is going to attract rumours ;)

It's called "Tall Poppy Syndrome"

you got it in one mate, and there was me thinking that was just a KIWI thing

Mental Trousers

13th November 2012, 08:52

That bullshit rumour was cleared up weeks ago dude, what they were adjusting was legal and just dam cleaver of his crew

Anyone who's as good as MM is going to attract rumours ;)

It's called "Tall Poppy Syndrome"

It wasn't a rumour. His team were adjusting settings on the quick shifter on his bike so that it wouldn't cut fuel when he changed gear. That means the fuelling is already in the correct part of the map when the ignition comes back in, giving him a slight advantage over those who cut the fuelling as well as ignition.

The quick shifter is not regulated at all in Moto2.

Shaun

13th November 2012, 08:55

It wasn't a rumour. His team were adjusting settings on the quick shifter on his bike so that it wouldn't cut fuel when he changed gear. That means the fuelling is already in the correct part of the map when the ignition comes back in, giving him a slight advantage over those who cut the fuelling as well as ignition.

The quick shifter is not regulated at all in Moto2.

It WAS a rumour! they were saying his team was cheating, when in fact his team just used there heads

montsta56

13th November 2012, 09:13

Will anyone but a spaniard win a GP next year??

imdying

13th November 2012, 09:14

It's exactly the same for the rest of the world - why put time and money into something that everyone else gets to use for free?? In this case if the teams don't contribute then nobody at all improves - including them. It lowers the cost of development by spreading it across all the users. You do get those that don't contribute a single thing and you also end up with a small number that virtually carry the entire project, but what you also get is huge amounts of feedback, feedback that you can't get with just 2 riders. You also have peer reviewed software.It's competition, why the heck would I want to share the fruits of my development dollar/labour? All open source would do is stagnate development.

It works despite the hippy faggots - linux, firefox, thunderbird, chromium, eclipse, open office, gimp, android, the bsd's, perl, ruby, php, python, apache, drupal, mediawiki, wordpress, jumbla, moodle .... it doesn't work?!?!?!Which one of these things is an ECU used in a competitive environment? Linux... used by nobody but people who want free server software or an OS that can strip back for some specific task. Sure open source has a few poster child products, but really it's just used for niche and/or unprofitable dev by collaboration.

It'sI'm guessing you don't have anything to do with Open Source in your job??Sure I do; anytime I need an unsupported flakey product for no dollars, it's the first place I turn.

Turning it into a hippy love in is not going to help MotoGP.

imdying

13th November 2012, 09:16

Will anyone but a spaniard win a GP next year??Was there a Spaniard in the top 10 of the last Moto3 race?

roogazza

13th November 2012, 09:28

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2012/11/12/the_grand_motogp_testing_shuffle_yamaha_.html

Oscar

13th November 2012, 09:30

Will anyone but a spaniard win a GP next year??

An Italian will win one at least.

Crasherfromwayback

13th November 2012, 09:34

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2012/11/12/the_grand_motogp_testing_shuffle_yamaha_.html

Your 'mans' last perfermance on the Ducati was awesome mate!:wacko:

roogazza

13th November 2012, 09:47

Your 'mans' last perfermance on the Ducati was awesome mate!:wacko:

He was pleased with his setting for the wet but the dry bike was a mile off. Would have been nice to see rain the whole way.
But hey it's all history now, just like that other guy that rode a honda. What was his name , Tracy something or other ? lol.

Crasherfromwayback

13th November 2012, 09:55

He was pleased with his setting for the wet but the dry bike was a mile off. Would have been nice to see rain the whole way.
But hey it's all history now, just like that other guy that rode a honda. What was his name , Tracy something or other ? lol.

Worlds best development rider eh.

Yeah Tracy. The guy on the podium. Not behind CRT bikes Tracy.:bleh:

roogazza

13th November 2012, 10:12

Worlds best development rider eh.

Yeah Tracy. The guy on the podium. Not behind CRT bikes Tracy.:bleh:

I know, I saw him on the podium and the after race interviews.
One last chance to bleat. He just can't take defeat, well he can , it's just the way he does it.
Adrianna must have to give him a slap every now and then.
He'll get a lesson if he tries driving cars, some aussie will swot him.

Mental Trousers

13th November 2012, 10:15

It's competition, why the heck would I want to share the fruits of my development dollar/labour? All open source would do is stagnate development.

If nobody makes any contribution then nobody makes any progress at all.

Which one of these things is an ECU used in a competitive environment? Linux... used by nobody but people who want free server software or an OS that can strip back for some specific task. Sure open source has a few poster child products, but really it's just used for niche and/or unprofitable dev by collaboration.

Sure I do; anytime I need an unsupported flakey product for no dollars, it's the first place I turn.

OpenRISC is the most notable Open Source Hardware. It's been out there for quite a while now and is used very successfully in a whole bunch of products in the commercial world, although not in PC's etc as RISC designs have generally lost out to the ix86 architecture.

Btw, linux is used by many of the biggest companies on the planet for many of their internal systems, goobuntu from Google, Oracle Linux from Oracle and plenty others if I stopped to think about it.

The business world is every bit as competitive as any race environment.

Turning it into a hippy love in is not going to help MotoGP.

On the contrary, Open Source between the teams can push things along quite significantly. Because everyone benefits the level of competitiveness of the entire field is raised. At the moment the factories have money and resources to throw at the things but the other teams don't. Open Sourcing means the other teams then have a pool of knowledge, expertise and ability that they don't otherwise have access to.

Crasherfromwayback

13th November 2012, 10:18

I know, I saw him on the podium and the after race interviews.
One last chance to bleat. He just can't take defeat, well he can , it's just the way he does it.
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Pretty sure your guy would (as he has all season) bleat too mate. It's just that they only interview the guys on the podium eh! Still...he's gone snivelling back to Yamaha now...so will maybe beat those pesky CRT's now.

Mental Trousers

13th November 2012, 10:27

Did they ask Kats any questions at the interview for the podium finishers?? I saw they talked to Casey and Dani but didn't see if they talked to Kats at all.

Crasherfromwayback

13th November 2012, 10:38

Did they ask Kats any questions at the interview for the podium finishers?? I saw they talked to Casey and Dani but didn't see if they talked to Kats at all.

Dunno. I'm just winding Roogazza up cause his mate can do no wrong! Awesome effort by Kats though. Shit...when was the last time a wildcard put it on the podium? Abe?

GD66

13th November 2012, 10:38

He no speak Engrish.

But there's a translation in the Soup summary.

Bloody awesome ride, on top of an excellent outing at Motegi where he raced Hayden to the line. Kinda annoyed they never gave him a gallop at Phillip Island with Spies out. Hopefully we see a bit more of him, perhaps surprisingly the fine second spot brought out a wave of raw emotion from both him and his crew, great tv.

Mental Trousers

13th November 2012, 10:40

He no speak Engrish.

But there's a translation in the Soup summary.

So they did then? Guess they just chopped it out of the coverage I saw cos there wasn't any English translation on hand or something.

Good effort by him. He's kicking arse recently, excepting Suzuka of course :facepalm:

denill

13th November 2012, 10:53

He just can't take defeat, well he can , it's just the way he does it.
Adrianna must have to give him a slap every now and then.

Hey Gaz, your mate could give Tracy a few lessons on how to take defeat. He's got pretty good at it over the last infamous two years. ;)

Drew

13th November 2012, 14:22

Did they ask Kats any questions at the interview for the podium finishers?? I saw they talked to Casey and Dani but didn't see if they talked to Kats at all.

So they did then? Guess they just chopped it out of the coverage I saw cos there wasn't any English translation on hand or something.

:facepalm:Yeah, I saw his statement on the coverage. I'll paraphrase for you.

HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK. I had a great race, was slippery, I came second, I just made Spies my BITCH!

Drew

13th November 2012, 14:30

He really was screwed from the onset with Ducati. I honestly thought that Burgess and Rossi would sort out the bike. Reasons they couldn't are quite well documented.

But to imply he is a shit development rider is not fair.

He's also got nothing but a big cliff to fall off if he can't put the Yamaha on the podium, and his age is certainly against him there.

Mental Trousers

13th November 2012, 14:30

Yeah, I saw his statement on the coverage. I'll paraphrase for you.

HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK. I had a great race, was slippery, I came second, I just made Spies my BITCH!

That's exactly what I was expecting from a excitable Japanese rider who just kicked arse.

Crasherfromwayback

13th November 2012, 14:39

He really was screwed from the onset with Ducati. I honestly thought that Burgess and Rossi would sort out the bike. Reasons they couldn't are quite well documented.

But to imply he is a shit development rider is not fair.

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Drew. That's for all of the Stoner haters that claimed it was all his fault the bike was shit as he obviously couldn't either develop or setup a race bike. Guess they're looking pretty fucking stoopid about now. Rossi IS one of the best ever I'm sure. But even he and Burgess couldn't sort it within two full seasons. Kinda not really Stoners fault anymore eh.

Drew

13th November 2012, 15:02

Drew. That's for all of the Stoner haters that claimed it was all his fault the bike was shit as he obviously couldn't either develop or setup a race bike. Guess they're looking pretty fucking stoopid about now. Rossi IS one of the best ever I'm sure. But even he and Burgess couldn't sort it within two full seasons. Kinda not really Stoners fault anymore eh.Full credit to Stoner. He was the only guy that could ride the Ducati.

Stoner is not a development rider, I don't think anyone would argue that. But to say the bike was shit and it's Stoners fault is as unfair, as saying Rossi is shit at it.

Crasherfromwayback

13th November 2012, 15:39

Full credit to Stoner. He was the only guy that could ride the Ducati.

Stoner is not a development rider, I don't think anyone would argue that. .

How would you know? Serious question. Not like he's turned the Honda to shit eh?

Drew

13th November 2012, 15:50

How would you know? Serious question. Not like he's turned the Honda to shit eh?Good point actually. Only bike he's ridden that needed developed, was a losing battle with the manufacturer. The Honda was a get on and ride it 'cause it's good out of the box.

pritch

13th November 2012, 15:51

Did they ask Kats any questions at the interview for the podium finishers?? .

He answered in japanese -briefly- but there was a translation to the effect that it was all like a dream.

A big day all round really, son number two born, and then he gets on the podium. Brilliant!

Crasherfromwayback

13th November 2012, 15:52

Good point actually. Only bike he's ridden that needed developed, was a losing battle with the manufacturer. The Honda was a get on and ride it 'cause it's good out of the box.

Thing being, to me at least...I don't think you could ever be as good as he was without really knowing WTF the bike is actually doing and why.

Drew

13th November 2012, 16:00

Thing being, to me at least...I don't think you could ever be as good as he was without really knowing WTF the bike is actually doing and why.Hmmm, there are those that feel it without having to understand I reckon.

Mike Hailwood, Anthony Gobert, Kevin Swantz, Noriuki Haga, to name a few. Others have ridden those fellas bikes, and gotten off shaking their heads in disbelief.

A development rider to pay stupid money for, 'feels' a bike like those fellas, but can analize it later.

Shaun

13th November 2012, 16:02

Good point actually. Only bike he's ridden that needed developed, was a losing battle with the manufacturer. The Honda was a get on and ride it 'cause it's good out of the box.

I think you would find that his feed back to the team would be full of details Drew, he rode with bugger all down tuning switched on with the electronics due to the fact that he had awsome feel, just like Rossi

Agree about the Honda though, look at Dani

Ducati just simply fuked it up, would love to have been a fly on the wall sometimes listenning to the arguments with management and JB

Re Development rider, neither Casey or Rossi are Technicians, they are riders who give feed back to there crew, there crew are the developers, development rider is just a terminology

pritch

13th November 2012, 16:02

denill

13th November 2012, 16:11

Shaun

13th November 2012, 16:13

Crasherfromwayback

13th November 2012, 16:15

I don't think any rider could "fix" the current Ducati. The design was wrong, and two years later still is.
Stoner's greatest claim to fame will be the fact that he was the only rider able to make it a winner.

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And that's kinda my point. Stoner was able to set it up good enough to win races on. So I figure he ain't half bad at it. Anyway...as you say, unless they radically change the thing...I feel sorry for next years crew!

Drew

13th November 2012, 16:19

They have already commisioned SUTER? or someone to build them frames Pritch, I am guessing that att the test tomorrow a new bike will roll out for Dovi at leastThe resounding theme of commentary on the bike, seems to be the length of the thing from swingarm pivot to front axle. Not that I know anyone riding it, so I can only talk of what I've read.

So if that's all true, the engine configuration needs to be changed. If they haven't done that, I reckon they're pissing in the wond still.

Shaun

13th November 2012, 16:49

The resounding theme of commentary on the bike, seems to be the length of the thing from swingarm pivot to front axle. Not that I know anyone riding it, so I can only talk of what I've read.

So if that's all true, the engine configuration needs to be changed. If they haven't done that, I reckon they're pissing in the wond still.

Im not a chassis building technician either mate, so fuk knows really

sugilite

13th November 2012, 16:56

Dunno. I'm just winding Roogazza up cause his mate can do no wrong! Awesome effort by Kats though. Shit...when was the last time a wildcard put it on the podium? Abe?
Bayliss won the last race of 2006 season at Valencia as a wild card?

Crasherfromwayback

13th November 2012, 17:05

Bayliss won the last race of 2006 season at Valencia as a wild card?

Of course! Should've remembered that epic ride! He's a bit of a cheater for a wc though having done a couple of full seasons worth of GP racing!

Mental Trousers

13th November 2012, 17:10

I don't think any rider could "fix" the current Ducati. The design was wrong, and two years later still is.
Stoner's greatest claim to fame will be the fact that he was the only rider able to make it a winner.

We'll all be watching what the new crew of riders at Ducati will be able to achieve, but until the design changes...

But then the Italian press are reporting that Perziosi is on the way out, so we may get a new design sooner rather than later.

The way to fix the Ducati is to fix Ducati (the company) first. Casey Stoner left because the bike he got at the start of the season is the same bike he ended the season with. They're too small and don't have the resources to continually develop a bike through the whole season. They did make multiple versions of the thing for Rossi, but to do that they had to pull in resources from elsewhere, ie can their WSBK team etc, and work ridiculous hours to do so.

Now that they have access to Audi things should work quite differently.

That J Burgess in 2 years made no improvement inroads whatsoever speaks volumes to that. ;)

Personally I would've started bolting bits of lead to the thing in different places to see what felt better or worse. They tried fucking around with the swingarm, the chassis material, the chassis itself and a host of other things and most of those only made a minor difference. Bolting 5kg of lead to the top of the front head would've made a dramatic difference.

Push development in the right direction by showing them (in a very crude fashion) what they've failed to do, ie put the fucking weight here dammit!!

The resounding theme of commentary on the bike, seems to be the length of the thing from swingarm pivot to front axle. Not that I know anyone riding it, so I can only talk of what I've read.

So if that's all true, the engine configuration needs to be changed. If they haven't done that, I reckon they're pissing in the wond still.

They can keep the current engine configuration but still build something that works correctly. It's a matter of designing the entire thing so that the weight is in the right place - lead intake manifolds and carbon fibre sump maybe, put the oil reservoir for dry sump in the middle of the vee, there's other things too.

The easiest way is to use a narrow vee angle though.

I reckon Dovi has got in at a bloody good time.

Shaun

13th November 2012, 17:39

Personally I would've started bolting bits of lead to the thing in different places to see what felt better or worse. They tried fucking around with the swingarm, the chassis material, the chassis itself and a host of other things and most of those only made a minor difference. Bolting 5kg of lead to the top of the front head would've made a dramatic difference.

Push development in the right direction by showing them (in a very crude fashion) what they've failed to do, ie put the fucking weight here dammit!!

They can keep the current engine configuration but still build something that works correctly. It's a matter of designing the entire thing so that the weight is in the right place - lead intake manifolds and carbon fibre sump maybe, put the oil reservoir for dry sump in the middle of the vee, there's other things too.

The easiest way is to use a narrow vee angle though.

I reckon Dovi has got in at a bloody good time.

Serious Mental ( With a hint a scarcasim) do you not think the proffessionals that have PROVEN history and are paid mega bucks would not have tried your $5 fix if that was all it was gunna take?

Reading stuff and thinking about it is healthy, but dont start taking your self to seriously dude untill you have the experience and proven history as a machine builder or have been a test rider for a proffesional team

Mental Trousers

13th November 2012, 18:01

Serious Mental ( With a hint a scarcasim) do you not think the proffessionals that have PROVEN history and are paid mega bucks would not have tried your $5 fix if that was all it was gunna take?

Reading stuff and thinking about it is healthy, but dont start taking your self to seriously dude untill you have the experience and proven history as a machine builder or have been a test rider for a proffesional team

Engineers, Designers and Professional Teams aren't perfect, they don't always get it right. Sometimes it takes doing something dumb to shift things along. Bolting lead to it may have made it worse, or it might not have. The point is those Engineers, Designers and Professionals have spent the last few years not getting it right and something needed to happen. They'd gone well past the point of doing things the way they're normally done.

It happens in my line of work. I'll sometimes get to a point where nothing I do improves things no matter what I try but then I'll try some things that are out of left field and they show results that move things in a different direction.

When what you're doing isn't working do something else.

Shaun

13th November 2012, 18:42

Engineers, Designers and Professional Teams aren't perfect, they don't always get it right. Sometimes it takes doing something dumb to shift things along. Bolting lead to it may have made it worse, or it might not have. The point is those Engineers, Designers and Professionals have spent the last few years not getting it right and something needed to happen. They'd gone well past the point of doing things the way they're normally done.

It happens in my line of work. I'll sometimes get to a point where nothing I do improves things no matter what I try but then I'll try some things that are out of left field and they show results that move things in a different direction.

When what you're doing isn't working do something else.

as I said before shane, if the experienced proffessionals could not get it write in 2 years of trying, there is and was NO hope for the Ducati ( Since Stoner left) he could ride there old 800 ( Less tourque from the 800 MAY have helped) as he can be a flat track rider, ie rear wheel stearing, rossi is a centimetre perfect style of rider, ( He also can rear wheel ride, but not as aggressively as Stoner) Heyden unfortunately is past his very best, ( although still extremelly good) so the combo was up shit creek from the get go.

The Motor angle is wrong, as they cannot move it forward or back enough to keep the weight ballance, and cannot rotate it forward or back enough due to height and other reasons
The Carbon is to rigid giving no flex for turn in and feel
The carbon swingarm again to rigid, giving not enough flex to get traction down
The different length swingarms over the last 2 years was to try and overcome this problem.

As discussed many times, the position of the motor is totally wrong for weight balance and tourque inertia , so NO WAY would a hunk of lead be of any use, if it did give a gain, there still would have been a loss, most probally highlighting the lack of flex giving the rider the lack of feel.

Of course my opinions as yours are purelly based on shite I have read

Mental Trousers

13th November 2012, 19:39

Of course my opinions as yours are purelly based on shite I have read

Not entirely. You've got a bit more experience.

Shaun

13th November 2012, 19:48

Not entirely. You've got a bit more experience.

does not mean I am write though dude, we all have opinions just like arseholes

Brian d marge

13th November 2012, 20:31

That was one of the questions for my motorcycle city and guilds exam way back in the day
List the pros and cons of a 90 deg v twin

The interview with JB was telling...
Stephen

Shaun

13th November 2012, 20:40

That was one of the questions for my motorcycle city and guilds exam way back in the day
List the pros and cons of a 90 deg v twin

The interview with JB was telling...
Stephen

Yep, the whole bike needs building to work with each bit, ya cannot slap a frame around a motor

denill

14th November 2012, 06:38

The interview with JB was telling...
Stephen

What interview?

Shaun

14th November 2012, 06:56

What interview?

Some one will post a link to it mate, it was very good reading

roogazza

14th November 2012, 07:26

Hey Gaz, your mate could give Tracy a few lessons on how to take defeat. He's got pretty good at it over the last infamous two years. ;)

Without doubt Bill, Vale could easily give Stoner microphone lessons. While there he should give advice on handling himself as World Champion. (but that's all pointless now)
Stoners gone now, MM will fill his shoes nicely.
Today is Vale's first ride back on the yamaha, will he click right away ?

Crasherfromwayback

14th November 2012, 07:42

Without doubt Bill, Vale could easily give Stoner microphone lessons. While there he should give advice on handling himself as World Champion. (but that's all pointless now)
Stoners gone now, MM will fill his shoes nicely.
Today is Vale's first ride back on the yamaha, will he click right away ?

I see Stoner is making frineds in the V8's already!

Stupid Prick!!!

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121113c.htm

Drew

14th November 2012, 07:56

I see Stoner is making frineds in the V8's already!

Stupid Prick!!!

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121113c.htmShit he's good at making friends isn't he.

Crasherfromwayback

14th November 2012, 08:10

Shit he's good at making friends isn't he.

Yeah that's well stoopid! They'll take great delight in punting him into the gravel at every avail opp.

Shaun

14th November 2012, 08:33

I see Stoner is making frineds in the V8's already!

Stupid Prick!!!

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121113c.htm

A Brilliant rider he is, PR skills are bit debateable though

roogazza

14th November 2012, 09:35

I see Stoner is making frineds in the V8's already!

Stupid Prick!!!

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121113c.htm

Great rider, but ?
He was home schooled from about age twelve, might have missed a few units.

Crasherfromwayback

14th November 2012, 09:37

Great rider, but ?
He was home schooled from about age twelve, might have missed a few units.

Dumbest thing I've seen from him so far!

Shaun

14th November 2012, 10:20

Dumbest thing I've seen from him so far!

2015 hes back to bikes in WSB

Crasherfromwayback

14th November 2012, 10:25

2015 hes back to bikes in WSB

Can't see it personally. I think even IF he did go back...it'd still be GP's.

Shaun

14th November 2012, 10:31

Can't see it personally. I think even IF he did go back...it'd still be GP's.

maybe, but I think his pride would want him to kick rossis arse if possible and reckon thats where rossi will b

merv

14th November 2012, 11:29

Dumbest thing I've seen from him so far!

Nah your boy is just starting the mind games on those he sees as his next competition. Now when are Honda entering the V8s?

Oscar

14th November 2012, 11:40

Great rider, but ?
He was home schooled from about age twelve, might have missed a few units.

I really don't understand the guy.
Someone should sit him down and point out some home truths:

You have the greatest job in the world. Try to look like you enjoy it from time to time.
Those people that you brush past outside your pit door actually pay your wages. Sign more than two autographs, you knob.
Most of what you whinge about and attribute to MotoGP is actually the work of MSMA (i.e. Honda - the people you work for).
You COULD have been the GOAT, and you threw it away. In time, this will eat you up...

Crasherfromwayback

14th November 2012, 11:47

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You COULD have been the GOAT, and you threw it away. In time, this will eat you up...
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That's the bit I don't get. He was always up in arms about Rossi getting all of the adulation etc...but didn't stick around long enough to kick his arse stats wise to earn the GOAT tag.

Odd.

imdying

14th November 2012, 12:12

You have the greatest job in the world. Try to look like you enjoy it from time to time.From our perspective maybe.

Those people that you brush past outside your pit door actually pay your wages. Sign more than two autographs, you knob.No, they don't, Honda do. Honda could give two shits about fans, it's an engineering exercise... nobody could come and they'd still race.

Most of what you whinge about and attribute to MotoGP is actually the work of MSMA (i.e. Honda - the people you work for).Agree.

You COULD have been the GOAT, and you threw it away. In time, this will eat you up...No it won't, he has other plans!

Drew

14th November 2012, 14:55

That's the bit I don't get. He was always up in arms about Rossi getting all of the adulation etc...but didn't stick around long enough to kick his arse stats wise to earn the GOAT tag.

Odd.Honestly, if that's what fans were setting you up for, would you go for that title?

Seriously, the guy is a freak. But he was willing to crash to win. On todays bikes that's never gonna make for a long and lustrius career.

Stepping down before your hero title gets taken away, is smart and easy to swallow given the alternative.

I really feel for anyone with that much pressure to succeed, in a game as dangerous and close as MotoGP.

He's still a dick.

pritch

14th November 2012, 15:21

Dumbest thing I've seen from him so far!

He wasn't worried about smoothing the way for a come back in Moto GP, "This championship is a joke".

And to Journos, "I'll read your stuff and pretend to believe it." (Or very close to that...)

His PR skills don't match his riding skills.

Shaun

14th November 2012, 15:31

Crasherfromwayback

14th November 2012, 15:34

He wasn't worried about smoothing the way for a come back in Moto GP, "This championship is a joke".

And to Journos, "I'll read your stuff and pretend to believe it." (Or very close to that...)

His PR skills don't match his riding skills.

Sometimes I'm all for hearing what they really think. But slagging off one of the top V8 boys before you even get to drive one proper is just fucking stoopid.

merv

14th November 2012, 15:36

Sometimes I'm all for hearing what they really think. But slagging off one of the top V8 boys before you even get to drive one proper is just fucking stoopid.

Its a bit like "we'll fix the Ducati in 90 seconds" :facepalm:.

Crasherfromwayback

14th November 2012, 15:40

Its a bit like "we'll fix the Ducati in 90 seconds" :facepalm:.

Or "We don't know so much about the Ducati because Casey doesn't try 100%"

Shaun

14th November 2012, 15:51

Or "We don't know so much about the Ducati because Casey doesn't try 100%"

now that was fukin stoopid

Crasherfromwayback

14th November 2012, 16:02

now that was fukin stoopid

THAT one certainly bit him on the ass.

denill

14th November 2012, 16:11

He said - a passing move by the driver known as "Frosty" was "amateur."

Don't see that as the mal à propos of the century. No reference to the guy's mother or anything. The fuss is more about - Stoner said it.

Move on guys. There is a thread called 'MotoGP 2013' that's more relevant. :yawn:

Crasherfromwayback

14th November 2012, 16:26

Move on guys. There is a thread called 'MotoGP 2013' that's more relevant. :yawn:

lol. That's why we have to talk about Stoner in Moto GP 2012.

montsta56

14th November 2012, 17:40

He wasn't worried about smoothing the way for a come back in Moto GP, "This championship is a joke".

And to Journos, "I'll read your stuff and pretend to believe it." (Or very close to that...)

His PR skills don't match his riding skills.

As A die hard fan of GP's. I couldnt care what his PR skills are like or that he may not like the fans lol. In some ways its more attractive to me that all he wants to do is wring the neck of the most insane cycles in the world an fuck the rest of the circus that goes with it. It seems more pure to me than waving at the camera on the grid like youve had to many disco biscuts. .... Just the way i see it.

denill

14th November 2012, 18:12

As A die hard fan of GP's. I couldnt care what his PR skills are like or that he may not like the fans lol. In some ways its more attractive to me that all he wants to do is wring the neck of the most insane cycles in the world an fuck the rest of the circus that goes with it. It seems more pure to me than waving at the camera on the grid like youve had to many disco biscuts. .... Just the way i see it.

Yeah, that's what I mean...................:yes:

Brian d marge

14th November 2012, 18:23

I remember a comment by stoner, about the ducati, trellis frame he could reliably but it on the same point ( of a corner) each lap ..hence the Cf frame....
I couldn't even see the same point let alone remember it .....
Awesome skills
Stephen

Drew

14th November 2012, 18:34

Brian d marge

14th November 2012, 19:09

The big question though, could he form a sentance with a quote in it?
I'm having a glass of wine at lunch, Casey is retired what's your reason

Stephen

Drew

14th November 2012, 19:35

I'm having a glass of wine at lunch, Casey is retired what's your reason

Stephen
Seriousy. What was it that he said? I can't work it out from what you wrote.

That's what I was getting at.

ktm84mxc

14th November 2012, 19:55

Reckless

14th November 2012, 20:48

2012 is yesterdays news and that's good for wrapping up the fish and chips or the scraps outta the fridge.
Stoner is now confined to the history books as Ago,Hailwood, King Kenny, Barry, Freddy, Mick etc.

Agreed which is why in my mind Rossi must be the goat??

A few seasons of raw speed against a continuing career of humor, ups, downs and 9 world compionships makes Rossi unquestionably the greatest rider biking has ever seen in the modern era.

I've loved the preciseness of Lorenzo and the growth of pedro but stoner hasn't made the grade this season. His passion for the sport is just not on the same planet as Rossi over time.

Nothing can now dipute that as stoner has retired.

End of story :)

Shaun

14th November 2012, 20:54

Seriousy. What was it that he said? I can't work it out from what you wrote.

That's what I was getting at.

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

I remember a comment by stoner, about the ducati, trellis frame he could not reliably put it on the same point ( of a corner) each lap ..hence the Cf frame....

= FIXED FOR YA DREW

I couldn't even see the same point let alone remember it .....
Awesome skills
Stephen

Drew

15th November 2012, 05:38

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

I remember a comment by stoner, about the ducati, trellis frame he could not reliably put it on the same point ( of a corner) each lap ..hence the Cf frame....

= FIXED FOR YA DREW

I couldn't even see the same point let alone remember it .....
Awesome skills
Stephen
I understand now.

Shaun

15th November 2012, 05:50

I understand now.

it took me a few beers to get on stevens level to understand it, nah, havnt had a beer in weeks now

Crasherfromwayback

15th November 2012, 08:38

Agreed which is why in my mind Rossi must be the goat??

A few seasons of raw speed against a continuing career of humor, ups, downs and 9 world compionships makes Rossi unquestionably the greatest rider biking has ever seen in the modern era.

I've loved the preciseness of Lorenzo and the growth of pedro but stoner hasn't made the grade this season. His passion for the sport is just not on the same planet as Rossi over time.

Nothing can now dipute that as stoner has retired.

End of story :)

Isn't it normally you that tells me to drop the Rossi vs Stoner thing?

Remember this. Stoner has beaten Rossi more times than Rossi has him. All this...whilst spending a full season on a Sat Honda with customer tyres, and the horrible Ducati Rossi couldn't even ride. He's won two titles just like Rossi in that time, but a shitload more races than Rossi. Who's the better of the two?

End of story.:innocent:

denill

15th November 2012, 09:13

stoner hasn't made the grade this season. His passion for the sport is just not on the same planet as Rossi over time.
Nothing can now dipute that as stoner has retired. End of story :)

IMHO Stoner's done the right thing by retiring now. He feels he 's achieved what he wanted. (Not what you or I may have wanted)

Rather than do what Edwards, Capirossi and Chilli et al have done. Hang on toooo long.

That is sad and I just hope Rossi does not do that.

trustme

15th November 2012, 09:32

Nine titles opposed to 2, most wins in premier class only Ago is close. Rossi in his prime was untouchable, simply the best racer we have seen for some years, it will be interesting to see if he can regain alien status next year.
Stoner has been the fastest rider for some time, but being fastest does not always win titles nor does it make him a GOAT contender.

I like Stoner,always been a fan, I can understand him quitting & he won't have regrets. He has been racing most of his life & went pro at 14, he has worked to build a career with a single minded & steely determination most of us could only dream of . That drive has distorted his private life & made him unpopular with a large sector of race fans who simply don't understand him [ not that he gives a shit ], it has also given him 2 world titles & financial security for the rest of his life

He has achieved his own personal goals, he wants his life back, he wants to live on his terms , so he walks away with no regrets . He won't look back & say 'what if' or 'if only', he's too busy looking forward, that's what has made him successful.

Good luck to him , love him or hate him, racing will be poorer for his leaving.

pritch

15th November 2012, 09:34

End of story.:innocent:

Sadly I suspect not.

Crasherfromwayback

15th November 2012, 09:50

Sadly I suspect not.

lol. Nah...even I'm over it!

MM might be my new BF.

roogazza

15th November 2012, 10:00

lol. Nah...even I'm over it!
MM might be my new BF.

Come over to the happy side.
273258

Look at the smile.

Crasherfromwayback

15th November 2012, 10:03

Come over to the happy side.

Look at the smile.

Yeah. "Fuck me dead...this thing actually goes around corners!!!"

Drew

15th November 2012, 10:31

IMHO Stoner's done the right thing by retiring now. He feels he 's achieved what he wanted. (Not what you or I may have wanted)

Rather than do what Edwards, Capirossi and Chilli et al have done. Hang on toooo long.

That is sad and I just hope Rossi does not do that.To long? Are you fuckin retarded?

Hmmm, shall I continue riding the fastest bikes on the planet, living like a rock star, getting paid obscene amounts of money, or should I retire because I'm not winning?

Edwards has got one of the stronger followings off the podium, for who he is. He's pretty bloody handy on a bike too, all things considered.

ktm84mxc

15th November 2012, 10:36

Crasherfromwayback

15th November 2012, 10:46

Yep crasher marky mark could be for you he rides with his wrist not his head, will be big boys let him get away the shit he pulled in moto2 or will there be a lot of block passing and take outs can't wait for the season to start , Bring back the Bash.....

Only 1 sec off Pedrosa's times with one ride under his belt. Not too shabby. Seems he likes the electronics turned right down as well. Can't see Rossi taking any shit from him though. Rossi is still the king of 'show them the kitty litter'.

denill

15th November 2012, 11:19

To long? Are you fuckin retarded?

Hmmm, shall I continue riding the fastest bikes on the planet, living like a rock star, getting paid obscene amounts of money, or should I retire because I'm not winning?

Can't be certain that I'm not be retarded Drew, but certain that you are if you can say a reason for Stoner's retirement was "I'm not winning". Really? ;)

Drew

15th November 2012, 11:42

Can't be certain that I'm not be retarded Drew, but certain that you are if you can say a reason for Stoner's retirement was "I'm not winning". Really? ;)I wasn't clear it seems. I didn't infer any reason for Stoner's retirement. I'm just saying, quitting while you're ahead is one school of thaught, the other would be. "Ye-fuckin-ha! These dumb fucks are gonna keep paying me to have FUN"!

Bender

15th November 2012, 11:48

I wasn't clear it seems. I didn't infer any reason for Stoner's retirement. I'm just saying, quitting while you're ahead is one school of thaught, the other would be. "Ye-fuckin-ha! These dumb fucks are gonna keep paying me to have FUN"!

The spectre of Wayne Rainey hovers over the sport still though. His crash wasn't even a bad one.

Drew

15th November 2012, 11:51

The spectre of Wayne Rainey hovers over the sport still though. His crash wasn't even a bad one.Oh, so no one that can't win should be out there?

We're gonna run GP with 5 strong grids now then?

imdying

15th November 2012, 12:16

Rossi is a bit too much of a cheat to be the GOAT... but the fans love him, so cest la vie.

Drew

15th November 2012, 12:18

Rossi is a bit too much of a cheat to be the GOAT... but the fans love him, so cest la vie.This ought to be good.

Please explain how you come to make that assesment.

imdying

15th November 2012, 12:22

This ought to be good.

Please explain how you come to make that assesment.<img src="http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2008/MGP/laguna/tim07/p02.jpg" />

The winner is the faster racer around the track, not the person who the authorities let cut the most corners.

Crasherfromwayback

15th November 2012, 12:22

The whole GOAT argument is a waste of time. You can only go by numbers...and so far...that is AGO. Then of course we have seperate opinions...then of course...it's a free for all!

But to me...like all before him, Stoner has now gone. So it really doesn't matter a flying fuck. We can only really look forward to seeing the next big thing emerge and cause trouble. And I for one can't wait!

imdying

15th November 2012, 12:24

We can only really look forward to seeing the next big thing emerge and cause trouble. And I for one can't wait!I'm hoping MM falls off a lot in 2013... that'll be a good sign for 2014 :yes: (so long as he doesn't hurt himself too bad)

Crasherfromwayback

15th November 2012, 12:25

I'm hoping MM falls off a lot in 2013... that'll be a good sign for 2014 :yes: (so long as he doesn't hurt himself too bad)

I'm hoping he pisses the Aliens off no end right away. I think he will.

trustme

15th November 2012, 12:27

Yup Rossi was completely in the wrong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQmwBeQzYVg

Crasherfromwayback

15th November 2012, 12:32

Yup Rossi was completely in the wrong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQmwBeQzYVg

Yeah I love that one. Watched it live. Gave Biaggi the bird. Awesome!

Mental Trousers

15th November 2012, 12:45

I'm hoping he pisses the Aliens off no end right away. I think he will.

He'll spend next year hurt. The next big thing in MotoGP either does nothing their first year (Pedro) or finds new and spectacular ways to crash (everyone else).

Crasherfromwayback

15th November 2012, 12:47

or finds new and spectacular ways to crash (everyone else).

Not many new ways to do that anymore. Poor old Simo (RIP) invented the last new one.

Mental Trousers

15th November 2012, 12:51

Not many new ways to do that anymore. Poor old Simo (RIP) invented the last new one.

One not to be repeated hopefully. But Ben Spies didn't highside into a seagull at 160kph this year so there's still new ways to crash!!

Brian d marge

15th November 2012, 12:53

it took me a few beers to get on stevens level to understand it, nah, havnt had a beer in weeks now

You could never sink that low

You wait until it get technical, then all power of the english language , deserts me !

back on topic ... corner same point , every lap , and the frame "chassis flex " was enough, so that he couldntr put it on the same point ( of the corner ) every lap , after lap after lap .......

legendary I reckon

Stephen

Maido

15th November 2012, 12:55

Probably already posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPp5ZgT3X70

Shaun

15th November 2012, 12:55

[QUOTE=Brian d marge;1130433218]You could never sink that low

You wait until it get technical, then all power of the english language , deserts me !

I will have to sink a couple with you one day in Japan Stephen, I loved living there

Reckless

15th November 2012, 13:07

Come over to the happy side.
273258

Look at the smile.

We all smile like that straight after a wedding lets hope its still there after the honeymoon is over :)

ktm84mxc

15th November 2012, 13:37

Gotta love and admire Valentino's pass he certainly stuffed up Casey that day and showed him what a rider can do to ensure a win. Epic . The powers that be judged Casey had closed the door on Vale leaving him no option but to dirt track it , and didn't Vale go to win the Champs that year.
The best back up a Champs on a different brand the next year as Lawson did.

pritch

15th November 2012, 13:56

The whole GOAT argument is a waste of time. You can only go by numbers...and so far...that is AGO.

That's not totally fair. Ago hold the record for the greatest number of GP wins I think, but Rossi holds a whole raft of others.
The last two years may have dented some though.

Drew

15th November 2012, 14:45

The winner is the faster racer around the track, not the person who the authorities let cut the most corners.Interesting, that you think the fastest way around that corner is throught the dirt. He made a move on the previous corner. Stoner thought he could hold position by not making room. Rossi proved to be more dedicated/commited than Stoner thought. Pass happened.

That's my interpretation of that. After hearing both riders talk about it in the latest 'faster' docco.

imdying

15th November 2012, 14:57

Interesting, that you think the fastest way around that corner is throught the dirt.You have misread that. The fastest way would be to avoid all the corners, take a left at the start line, and just keep going left till you're over the start line. That would be a dramatically larger amount of cheating, but they're both cutting corners, and both cheating. He got away with it because he's Valentino Rossi... but I would have thought that if you took a place by cutting a corner, you would be required to cede that place and have to retake it.

Crasherfromwayback

15th November 2012, 15:00

. He got away with it because he's Valentino Rossi... but I would have thought that if you took a place by cutting a corner, you would be required to cede that place and have to retake it.

Correct...

Drew

15th November 2012, 15:02

I saw it as clean. My view of the riders in question might be clouding my judgment though.

Crasherfromwayback

15th November 2012, 15:28

I saw it as clean. My view of the riders in question might be clouding my judgment though.

That's often the case. I saw Simo's move on Pedro as hard but fair when Pedro binned it and broke his collarbone. To me...Pedro freaked and picked it up. To others...Simo was well out of line. But if you're to be 100% honest...you've gotta say that Rossi has done some of the harshest moves around. And that's ok, racing is about pushing every single limit.

Maido

15th November 2012, 15:53

Crasherfromwayback

15th November 2012, 15:58

Stoner's beef with the pass was that, in the rule book it specifically says that you have to stay between the racing lines, which Rossi didn't. Don't get me wrong, guy has balls the size of oranges to run it up the inside on the gravel. But if it didn't stick and he crashed out there would have been plenty for Stoner to bang on about, and rightly so.

Agree with everything there. I reckon it was by the rules a blatant cheat. But for balls alone...should be allowed! But then I guess we'd have cunts taking shortcuts everywhere...

Reckless

15th November 2012, 18:07

Agree with everything there. I reckon it was by the rules a blatant cheat. But for balls alone...should be allowed! But then I guess we'd have cunts taking shortcuts everywhere...

Well my take is who ever is considered right or wrong Rossi made a rash move in the heat of the moment. They probably both think they are in the right :)
Stoner thinks Rossi took to the gravel and Rossi maintains the door was slammed shut forcing him there.

How many of us that have raced think back to an event and say to ourselves
"bloody hell I was damn lucky to stay moving after that??" and "bloody hell I was even luckier in the stewards room". :sweatdrop

One of those things you do in a split second and take whatever comes out the other end. :crazy:

Ain't these the moments we watch racing for :) The "fuck me" push the boundaries stuff we could never do ourselves. :eek5:

Damn good pic tho aye! Bring on 2013 :ar15:

Crasherfromwayback

16th November 2012, 07:19

One of those things you do in a split second and take whatever comes out the other end. :crazy:

Ain't these the moments we watch racing for :) The "fuck me" push the boundaries stuff we could never do ourselves. :eek5:

Absolutely mate!

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121115z.htm

Shaun

16th November 2012, 07:53

Agree with everything there. I reckon it was by the rules a blatant cheat. But for balls alone...should be allowed! But then I guess we'd have cunts taking shortcuts everywhere...

Youu called?

Crasherfromwayback

19th November 2012, 16:09

Youu called?

I said shortcuts not short cunts.

Here's one for OAB! Reading that should show you why I get a chubby watching it no matter how many times I've seen it! And yep...I witnessed that lap from T3.

273439

onearmedbandit

19th November 2012, 16:20

I said shortcuts not short cunts.

Here's one for OAB! Reading that should show you why I get a chubby watching it no matter how many times I've seen it! And yep...I witnessed that lap from T3.

Nice read thanks mate. He doesn't make it sound any easier than it looks, lots of respect.

Crasherfromwayback

19th November 2012, 16:25

Nice read thanks mate. He doesn't make it sound any easier than it looks, lots of respect.

I shit myself every time just watching it!

Mental Trousers

19th November 2012, 16:57

A minimum of 258kph sideways through turn 3. Fuck me :eek5:

Crasherfromwayback

19th November 2012, 18:02

A minimum of 258kph sideways through turn 3. Fuck me :eek5:

Now you know why I've been wanking on about it for so long! Hopefully MM has been watching/reading. Although Pedro did wick it up a couple of times and tried his luck. No one seems to want to do it quite as fast/often though.

Shaun

20th November 2012, 05:56

I said shortcuts not short cunts.

Here's one for OAB! Reading that should show you why I get a chubby watching it no matter how many times I've seen it! And yep...I witnessed that lap from T3.

273439

Litarecy was always one on my many problems

Mental Trousers

20th November 2012, 07:43

Now you know why I've been wanking on about it for so long! Hopefully MM has been watching/reading. Although Pedro did wick it up a couple of times and tried his luck. No one seems to want to do it quite as fast/often though.

Yeah I already knew he was something great. Was a fan when he first started on the RC211V with LCR. But then I saw more interviews etc where he opened his mouth and I went from a fan to just admiring his skill and ability.

Crasherfromwayback

20th November 2012, 07:54

Yeah I already knew he was something great. Was a fan when he first started on the RC211V with LCR. But then I saw more interviews etc where he opened his mouth and I went from a fan to just admiring his skill and ability.

lol. I'm thinking MM may be the next Stoner bike wise at least.

Mental Trousers

20th November 2012, 08:49

lol. I'm thinking MM may be the next Stoner bike wise at least.

He's going to be the next Rossi I think. That kid will be the greatest thing in motorcycling over the next couple of years. I reckon those two will end up in a battle for the fans with the battle for the championship being a poor second. Jorje, Dani and everyone else are going to find it difficult to be mentioned.

Still don't like the little bugger though.

Crasherfromwayback

20th November 2012, 09:00

Still don't like the little bugger though.

Me neither. But I don't give a shit what they're like as a person as long as they're awesome to watch on a bike. And I reckon he's gonna light the championship up.

Crasherfromwayback

20th November 2012, 09:03

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/11/marc-marquez-serves-notice-at-valencia-test/

It's certainly impressive considering.

denill

20th November 2012, 10:16

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/11/marc-marquez-serves-notice-at-valencia-test/

It's certainly impressive considering.

"Already, some of the riders, including Valentino Rossi (now on a Yamaha) are claiming that Marquez rides too aggressively."

Let the mind games begin......................... :clap: :clap:

Crasherfromwayback

20th November 2012, 10:26

"Already, some of the riders, including Valentino Rossi (now on a Yamaha) are claiming that Marquez rides too aggressively."

Let the mind games begin......................... :clap: :clap:

Yeah bit rich coming from him.

denill

20th November 2012, 10:30

Yeah bit rich coming from him.

VR will never miss a chance to get into the brain of those he sees as his opponent.

Mental Trousers

20th November 2012, 10:37

Crasherfromwayback

20th November 2012, 10:45

denill

20th November 2012, 11:53

Doubt those mind games will work on MM. He's shown that he doesn't know when ludicrous speed is inappropriate. He gets on a bike and goes fast as he can no matter what the situation. You can't psych out someone who only has one speed.

Agree. They made him start behind everyone as punishment for dodgy passing. Did that affect his confidence? Nah, not for a heartbeat. The passes he made to get to the front were a joy to behold. He has got the right mindset alright. Just needs some small adjustments.

Bender

20th November 2012, 13:02

Yeah bit rich coming from him.

Rossi said the same thing about Simoncelli. Look how that turned out.

Crasherfromwayback

20th November 2012, 13:06

Rossi said the same thing about Simoncelli. Look how that turned out.

Whilst Simo was a wild man..his death could've happened to anyone as it was purely a freak thing.

Shaun

20th November 2012, 13:30

Whilst Simo was a wild man..his death could've happened to anyone as it was purely a freak thing.

for sure, sad but true

denill

20th November 2012, 14:21

Rossi said the same thing about Simoncelli. Look how that turned out.

If you're saying what I think you're saying - it's a bit off, to say the least. And as Pete said, that was an accident and could happen to anyone pushing the envelope on a MotoGP bike. :weep:

Bender

20th November 2012, 15:09

You forget the history of Simoncelli's riding that year. Fell off while leading at Jerez, fell off on lap one at Estoril .... journalists were writing pieces about their concerns for his lack of restraint and his need to learn how to finish races. Not the screaming Spanish tabloids but the more reasoned media.

Collided with Pedrosa at Le Mans, with the accident breaking Pedrosa's collarbone. He later reflected on his riding style. He was asked to meet with race direction before his next race at Catalonia, regarding his riding style which was causing concerns among a number of riders and officials.

So what I am saying, nay, reporting, is that there were concerns about Simoncelli's riding style and judgement before his accident - this from David Emmett's Motomatters website: it is his riding which has endeared him to the fans. The boy is fast, utterly fearless and willing to fight for every inch of the track. Simoncelli stands aside for no man, which means that at any time, at any track, he can pull the most astonishing moves to try and either defend his position or snatch a place from out of the blue. The fans love it.

The riders, not so much. That impetuousness, seizing the first hint of a gap as soon as it opens, and opening it by force if necessary, has not made him very popular with the remainder of the MotoGP field. Simoncelli, they say, is a wildcard, a rider who is so unpredictable that they don't feel comfortable racing in close proximity with him. The kind of fairing-bashing action that leaves tire marks all over leathers may make Simoncelli a favorite with the fans, but having to deal with it at 300 km/h while manhandling a MotoGP bike around is not an enjoyable experience.

If you want to read Emmett's summary of Simoncelli in 2011, read here, well worth a look. (http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2011/05/22/marco_simoncelli_s_greatest_crime_impati.html)

Simoncelli's accident happened five months later. I don't think it's too long a bow to draw to say the events are interlinked.

Crasherfromwayback

20th November 2012, 15:27

. I don't think it's too long a bow to draw to say the events are interlinked.

Obviously the more often you crash the more likely you are to get hurt to a certain extent. BUT...Simo's fatal acc could've happened to anyone. Tomizawa anyone? Craig Jones?

pritch

20th November 2012, 15:33

lol. I'm thinking MM may be the next Stoner bike wise at least.

Or perhaps the next Biaggi?

Biaggi used to enjoy taking other riders' front wheels out, or inviting them to leave the track. The "fight" between him and Rossi is well known but I was unaware of an incident where Hayden had Biaggi bailed up against the side of a motorhome with his fist in Biaggi's face giving him the "come to Jesus" talk...

Biaggi had chopped Hayden's front wheel out - in practice.

It's not too hard to imagine MM in a similar predicament based on his performances this year.

Crasherfromwayback

20th November 2012, 15:37

Or perhaps the next Biaggi?

It's not too hard to imagine MM in a similar predicament based on his performances this year.

Nah. I think he's way better already. But yeah...wouldn't be at all surprised to see him eat a few knuckle sandwiches next year if he doesn't clean his act up a bit.

pritch

20th November 2012, 15:40

Rossi said the same thing about Simoncelli. Look how that turned out.

It wasn't Rossi, it was the Spanish riders who criticised Simoncelli. Basically it was the Spanish Vs the Italians.
Stoner didn't need to be involved but sided with the Spanish.

When Hector Barbera joined their cause the Spanish case lost most of whatever credibility it had.

Crasherfromwayback

20th November 2012, 15:44

Stoner didn't need to be involved but sided with the Spanish.

.

I don't recall Stoner ever being critical of Simo.

Shaun

20th November 2012, 15:47

Nah. I think he's way better already. But yeah...wouldn't be at all surprised to see him eat a few knuckle sandwiches next year if he doesn't clean his act up a bit.

CC would be only rider there that would bring it back to those basics I reckon if if

Bender

20th November 2012, 16:25

It wasn't Rossi, it was the Spanish riders who criticised Simoncelli. Basically it was the Spanish Vs the Italians.
Stoner didn't need to be involved but sided with the Spanish.

When Hector Barbera joined their cause the Spanish case lost most of whatever credibility it had.

I've got a DVD interview where Rossi comments that Simoncelli's riding is "crazy" (rolling his eyes). He was also called in for a please explain by Honda, who were less than impressed that he took out Pedrosa and ruined whatever chance the Dwarf had of a championship win that year. Race organisers too. That's not a Spanish conspiracy, that's genuine concern - as much for Marco himself as anything. Nobody wanted that to happen.

Look, I bloody hate it when people get hurt. Makes me feel sick when riders get badly hurt or killed. In all other respects its a great sport - it sure pushes my buttons. I'd far rather Simoncelli was still there giving it stick because he was an exciting rider and a very likeable personality (unfortunately a rare commodity).

Its just that what happened had an awful air of inevitability about it through that 2011 season.

Lorenzo managed to get his shit together and look where he is now. It would have been fantastic to have MS there too.

Crasherfromwayback

20th November 2012, 16:30

Lorenzo managed to get his shit together and look where he is now. It would have been fantastic to have MS there too.

And the simple fact is Lorenzo could've easily ended up like Simo, as could've Stoner or any one of the young hungry youngsters that crashed a lot. But as fate would have it...

puddytat

20th November 2012, 16:40

I see a big difference in style between MM & Marco.....Marco seemed to "wing it & wish" often when trying it on,whereas MM seems to be almost millimeter exact. Yep i know he's fucked it up once or twice,but like with the last race his reactions were amazing & the slightest of gaps was enough for him to react & slip through.
Dunno what all yuor problems are with MM....is it the lack of hair? At the press interviews he's always smiling & polite with no hint of arrogance like that Biaggi tosser. His fellow racers seem to think he's O.K & he seems to have learnt from his mistakes.
I predict he'll finsh in front of Rossi in the first race of 2013. Rossi is fair enoughly playing mind games already , but is that becuse that he might be afraid that MM will steal his thunder?

roogazza

21st November 2012, 07:38

Audi money finally making changes ?

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2012/11/20/ducati_s_motogp_reshuffle_gobmeier_ciaba.html

Mental Trousers

21st November 2012, 08:37

Audi money finally making changes ?

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2012/11/20/ducati_s_motogp_reshuffle_gobmeier_ciaba.html

Excellent changes. Good to see Audi recognize that racing motorbikes is completely different to racing cars and have put people in charge that have the necessary experience in bikes.

The downside is we've probably seen the creativeness and innovation that went into the monocoque chassis gone now. Roll out the transverse four twin beams with forks clones. However, the upside Ducati back fighting for the championship instead of filling the back of the prototypes field, outweighs the downside.

denill

21st November 2012, 08:53

Audi money finally making changes ?

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2012/11/20/ducati_s_motogp_reshuffle_gobmeier_ciaba.html

That's good news Gaz. I was secretly worried that Audi may have decided to pull the pin on MotoGP. It must have been considered and Germans are not noted for their sentimentality. :msn-wink:

roogazza

21st November 2012, 09:33

That's good news Gaz. I was secretly worried that Audi may have decided to pull the pin on MotoGP. It must have been considered and Germans are not noted for their sentimentality. :msn-wink:

It is good news, I was hoping (being a one eyed Vale fan) that it would have been done two years ago ! lol.

On the other subject of MM being aggressive and MS the same. MS was one Rossis best mates. If anything was said (and we know things get twisted?) he was probably saying nothing worse than us saying Drew's handsome or Crasher is a maniac. Just throwaway lines.( could be true of course ? )

Crasherfromwayback

21st November 2012, 09:52

Crasher is a maniac. )

Why thank you!

denill

21st November 2012, 10:01

nothing worse than us saying Drew's handsome or Crasher is a maniac. Just throwaway lines.( could be true of course ? )

You're right on one count - but I've no idea if Drew is handsome :laugh:

onearmedbandit

21st November 2012, 11:42

That's good news Gaz. I was secretly worried that Audi may have decided to pull the pin on MotoGP. It must have been considered and Germans are not noted for their sentimentality. :msn-wink:

Audi love racing though, I for one never doubted they'd stick at MotoGP.

MS was one Rossis best mates. If anything was said (and we know things get twisted?) he was probably saying nothing worse than us saying Drew's handsome or Crasher is a maniac. Just throwaway lines.( could be true of course ? )

Yup that's the way I saw it as well.

Crasherfromwayback

21st November 2012, 11:52

Yup that's the way I saw it as well.

Me as well. Rossi loves a good scrap.

merv

21st November 2012, 12:05

You're right on one count - but I've no idea if Drew is handsome :laugh:

I'm sure he thinks he is - perhaps Whitetrash can confirm for us that Drew is the most handsome of the bruvvas.

Drew

21st November 2012, 19:42

I'm sure he thinks he is - perhaps Whitetrash can confirm for us that Drew is the most handsome of the bruvvas.That scale doesn't confirm or deny the original throw away comment.

I'm adopted!

denill

22nd November 2012, 17:59

To long? Are you fuckin retarded?

Hmmm, shall I continue riding the fastest bikes on the planet, living like a rock star, getting paid obscene amounts of money, or should I retire because I'm not winning?

Edwards has got one of the stronger followings off the podium, for who he is. He's pretty bloody handy on a bike too, all things considered.

Not MotoGP, but another who's decided to kick <a href=http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/7985546/Shane-van-Gisbergen-quits-V8-supercars>"living like a rock star, getting paid obscene amounts of money"</A>

onearmedbandit

22nd November 2012, 18:52

Not MotoGP, but another who's decided to kick <a href=http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/7985546/Shane-van-Gisbergen-quits-V8-supercars>"living like a rock star, getting paid obscene amounts of money"</A>

Wow that's disappointing, although I'm sure his reasons are genuine.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd December 2012, 09:22

Aye.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121129test.htm

tail_end_charlie

2nd December 2012, 15:36

Aye.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121129test.htm

Interesting read.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd December 2012, 15:44

Interesting read.

Yeah I thought so too.

tail_end_charlie

2nd December 2012, 15:58

Yeah I thought so too.

http://www.motomatters.com/blog/2012/11/30/photographer_s_blog_a_story_about_an_end.html

Scott Jones is one hell of a photographer!

denill

2nd December 2012, 16:27

Aye.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121129test.htm

Really liked: .........the scribe asked him how he got to Europe to race MotoGP from his native Australia. Stoner stared at him and replied "On a plane."

Fair enough :yes:

roogazza

3rd December 2012, 07:30

Aye.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121129test.htm

Thanks P, good artical. Sounds like he badlly wanted to be adored and respected, but missed the point with his arogant approach.

Maybe if he has a think about it and comes back with a different attitude he'll achieve that.

Crasherfromwayback

3rd December 2012, 07:46

Thanks P, good artical. Sounds like he badlly wanted to be adored and respected, but missed the point with his arogant approach.

Maybe if he has a think about it and comes back with a different attitude he'll achieve that.

To me it's never seemed like arrogance. Just has no fucking idea I reckon!

steveyb

3rd December 2012, 09:25

What a great article. Reads a little like an obituary, and in a way I guess it is, but explains a lot about a man.

I just love that first photograph. Just have a slow look at it and you can see someone at ease with himself in a moment of quiet reflection.
Perhaps moments that were all too fleeting.

SS90

3rd December 2012, 09:34

To me it's never seemed like arrogance. Just has no fucking idea I reckon!

I agree, his life education has been, whilst "alternate", I would say limited as well.

If you have a family that gives everything up for you, you can't help but to be slightly warped in your understanding of how the world outside MotoGP actually works (i.e most parents hardly give up half a day a week for their offspring, let alone all their worldly possessions, in the hope that it all pays off)

I don't think it's his fault that he comes of as really arrogant, but it's all he knows, and arrogance sometimes can be seen as confidence, it just depends on perceptions, and perception is everything.
He's a champ, no doubt, and I struggle to imagine that you will find too many Aussies beating him down, as their perception of him is that A) he's a winner, and B) He's an Aussie. Both of which are undeniable facts.

MotoGP is worse off with-out him, I don't think anyone would disagree with that, but that doesn't mean you have to like him, I don't like him personally, he just rubs me the wrong way with his persona, but I do respect him and used to love watching him race, I would just cheer and SMS my brother on the other side of the world when he got beaten.

tail_end_charlie

3rd December 2012, 09:51

And what story about Stoner could there be without mention of his nemisis/protaginist Valentino Rossi (http://www.sportrider.com/features/146_1212_valentino_rossi_era/)

I can understand why so many of the racers now in MotoGP have such a difficult time, because no matter what they do, 46 is always the one in the limelight. So what is going to happen to the sport when Rossi finally retires..........?

GD66

3rd December 2012, 12:23

denill

3rd December 2012, 12:45

Stoner. Whatever his persona, it was what made him the awesome racer that he is. (Yes - is, as there is little doubt that he has a quite a few years in the tank)

The article gave a great insight into Stoner that even his haters would gain something from. His life experiences are what has made him what he is, as they have made you and I what we are. He would have liked everyone to love him, but his persona didn't allow that to happen So be it.

Crasherfromwayback

3rd December 2012, 12:49

Drew

3rd December 2012, 15:38

Well, hopefully it'll go back to being an awesome spectacle of motorsport, like it was for 50 years before it became a Spanish-manipulated marketing excercise based upon attracting yellow-clad casual observers to blindly follow the actions of one manically-publicised man.

It is commerce at it's finest, what has happened to many many sports, including Grand Prix racing.

If what we call GP dies the death it's destined in current guise, in our lifetime. Most of us wont see it's return...If ever it does.

Crasherfromwayback

5th December 2012, 15:51

http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/12/04/honda-rc1000v-concept-bike/

JafaSaffer

6th December 2012, 22:32

http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/12/04/honda-rc1000v-concept-bike/

Fuck that's nice.. Its going to cost a few dollars Im sure.

pritch

8th December 2012, 10:56

Came across this on Twitter this morning. Perfect for Stoner Pedrosa fans.
If you check the preview, it's a stunning piece of work.

http://www.blurb.com/books/3790317

Crasherfromwayback

9th December 2012, 17:26

Came across this on Twitter this morning. Perfect for Stoner Pedrosa fans.
If you check the preview, it's a stunning piece of work.

http://www.blurb.com/books/3790317

Very cool. Cheers for that!

Badjelly

12th December 2012, 09:05

Just saw this on Crash.Net (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/186775/1/rossi_stoner_started_to_hate_me_after_laguna_2008. html):

Stoner started to hate me just because he lost. After that, he always seemed to talk about the past, this race [Laguna], because he wasn't man enough to understand that at that time, he lost!

Hmm, excuse me Valentino, but I think Casey hated you because he thought you engaged in dodgy racing tactics, namely:

Going off track to complete a passing manoeuvre
Dabbing the brakes early to force Casey to run off (though whether this is true the rest of us will never know)

:jerry:

Crasherfromwayback

12th December 2012, 09:22

Hmm, excuse me Valentino,:

They all hate each other when it suits them. But Rossi can do no wrong despite being one of the biggest bitches in the sport. I mean...how many other racers has he 'fallen out' with over the years?

Oscar

12th December 2012, 09:44

They all hate each other when it suits them. But Rossi can do no wrong despite being one of the biggest bitches in the sport. I mean...how many other racers has he 'fallen out' with over the years?

The first one that comes to mind is Max.
And to be fair, did anyone get on with Max?

Crasherfromwayback

12th December 2012, 09:45

The first one that comes to mind is Max.
And to be fair, did anyone get on with Max?

And Sete Gibernau. And Lorenzo. Do you think they'll come to blows this year?

roogazza

12th December 2012, 10:21

And Sete Gibernau. And Lorenzo. Do you think they'll come to blows this year?

Horhay meditates now.Does seem to have changed from his younger years.
He'll need it..IF..Vale is on his tail pipe next year ?

Bender

12th December 2012, 10:39

bogan

12th December 2012, 10:52

Whatever Rossi says, Stoner humiliated him by winning on the bike that Rossi could not tame or even get above the level of also-ran.

Rossi seems to have already forgotten that or chooses to ignore it (most likely).

I think he probably realises that being the fastest is different from being the most adaptable to different bikes. Pity we never saw an injury free season with stoner on a honda vs rossi on a yamaha. Thats about the only thing I can think of to end such discussion; and it would have made for a fucking epic season. Pity the whinging aussie threw in the towel before that could happen :shutup::laugh:

trev

13th December 2012, 06:59

Once again Stoner's response cuts to the bone

"UPDATE: Casey Stoner has responded to Valentino Rossi's comments, writing on Twitter: "I think Valentino feels a little more brave now that I'm not there :)"

Bender

13th December 2012, 07:22

Rossi is managing to destroy the reputation he once had, bit by bit. He'd be better to shut up and use Stoner's example - talk on the track.

He never managed to get into Stoner's head like he did so many others. The game has moved on and Rossi is increasingly looking like yesterday's person. Desperation creeping in? Has he stepped aboard the Yamaha and realised that the X-factor has gone along with his unshakeable confidence?

I hope not because I am a great fan of his but lately there has been too much tweeting.

Crasherfromwayback

13th December 2012, 07:40

tail_end_charlie

13th December 2012, 07:50

To be honest, I think it was a slow reporting day/week/month and and Italian jounalists were bored and asked/provoked/wrote in a comment for Rossi that was a bit of a sensationalist piece....................nothing to be taken seriously. Rossi knows that to keep things interesting you have to keep yourself in the news, so the occasional spouting off of BS is a good way of doing that.

roogazza

13th December 2012, 09:50

He never managed to get into Stoner's head like he did so many others.

He was in his head Bender, must of been, he felt unloved, not respected and went home.

To be honest, I think it was a slow reporting day/week/month and and Italian jounalists were bored and asked/provoked/wrote in a comment for Rossi that was a bit of a sensationalist piece....................nothing to be taken seriously. Rossi knows that to keep things interesting you have to keep yourself in the news, so the occasional spouting off of BS is a good way of doing that.

Some clowns believe that stuff Tail-end. All this tweeting ,twotting and face aching .
Road racing was a better place without it.

In saying that Forums like this are great for us experts to flap our gums. lol.

Crasherfromwayback

13th December 2012, 10:01

He was in his head Bender, must of been, he felt unloved, not respected and went home.

.

Never worked on the track though eh!

Bender

13th December 2012, 11:06

In saying that Forums like this are great for us experts to flap our gums. lol.

Yep, if they'd just listen to us, think how much faster, stylish, accomplished and all round nice guys they would be. :rolleyes:

Crasherfromwayback

13th December 2012, 11:19

Yep, if they'd just listen to us, think how much faster, stylish, accomplished and all round nice guys they would be. :rolleyes:

Better looking too!

This was good I thought...

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/12/md-interview-nicky-hayden/

Trudes

14th December 2012, 05:39

Better looking too!

This was good I thought...

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/12/md-interview-nicky-hayden/

Thanks for that Pete, I like a little eye candy in the morning (that 1199 in the background if course).

tail_end_charlie

14th December 2012, 09:24

This was good I thought...

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/12/md-interview-nicky-hayden/

I like Nicky Hayden. He says what he means and he means what he says. He doesn't really talk shit like some of the other guys, he just gives a straight up answer to the question. Is almost always giving a positive look on things, and works his butt off for whoever he is riding for. Too bad Honda went to making a bike for a midget.......er......jockey.......er........DP instead of the reigning WC. And then he goes to Ducati to fight the bike as much as the other racers. Still, works his ass off while watching VR waltz in with fanfare and publicity about how they (VR & JB) are gonna fix the bike, only to then provide the 'lead rider' with set-up details. And do you hear anything condicending or critisizing from Nicky................nope, he just gets on with the job. Good 'ol Southern boy right there.

Crasherfromwayback

14th December 2012, 09:35

I like Nicky Hayden. He says what he means and he means what he says. He doesn't really talk shit like some of the other guys, he just gives a straight up answer to the question. Is almost always giving a positive look on things, and works his butt off for whoever he is riding for. Too bad Honda went to making a bike for a midget.......er......jockey.......er........DP instead of the reigning WC. And then he goes to Ducati to fight the bike as much as the other racers. Still, works his ass off while watching VR waltz in with fanfare and publicity about how they (VR & JB) are gonna fix the bike, only to then provide the 'lead rider' with set-up details. And do you hear anything condicending or critisizing from Nicky................nope, he just gets on with the job. Good 'ol Southern boy right there.

I agree 100%. I also believe he 100% deserved and won fair and square the 06 title unlike a lot of peeps.

roogazza

14th December 2012, 10:12

I agree 100%. I also believe he 100% deserved and won fair and square the 06 title unlike a lot of peeps.
Yeah mate, he seems like a nice hard working fella. Certainly seems a favorite of the females, with that Southern drawl.
Don't know if I'm a fan of the wearing of the cap like a street kid tho ?

tail_end_charlie

14th December 2012, 10:20

I agree 100%. I also believe he 100% deserved and won fair and square the 06 title unlike a lot of peeps.

Yep, he won fair and square by being more consistant than any other rider that year. It helped that there was a 37 point spread over the top 5 at the end of the year, so obviously a lot of people got a taste of the top step in '06. Might have to go back and watch some races from that year during the off season.

Crasherfromwayback

14th December 2012, 15:23

Thanks for that Pete, I like a little eye candy in the morning (that 1199 in the background if course).

Pervert.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Dec/121213n.htm

ecko_nzed

14th December 2012, 21:04

Meh, media trawling for news on a slow day/ off session.

tail_end_charlie

15th December 2012, 01:53

And seriously!!! Jorge Lorenzo getting the FIM award for Personality of the Year?!?!?!?! Come on now, this is the dude who was compared to a metronome!! He has no personality.

(Sorry, just now getting around to watching The Off Season Show.)

BMWST?

15th December 2012, 07:46

we should close this thread and start using the 2013 one,it is the 2013 season now

denill

19th December 2012, 10:37

There are those who want to remember #27 for his acerbic manner - and those who want to remember him for his riding prowess.

Bender

19th December 2012, 11:50

"Rossi conveniently leaves out any mention of the past 24 months, where, essentially, Stoner upended Rossi and used his head to mop the floor of every racetrack on the schedule."

:laugh::laugh:

merv

19th December 2012, 11:54

There are those who want to remember #27 for his acerbic manner - and those who want to remember him for his riding prowess.

Great pic Bill and probably all those marks on the paint are his then :gob:

tail_end_charlie

19th December 2012, 12:11

There are those who want to remember #27 for his acerbic manner - and those who want to remember him for his riding prowess.

Holy crap! That is an impressive shot. The "Ax Murdurer" sure did add quite a bit to the spectical of MotoGP.

slowpoke

19th December 2012, 12:50

There are those who want to remember #27 for his acerbic manner - and those who want to remember him for his riding prowess.

And to think he threw a 2 year old tanty when Rossi roosted him at Laguna, haha. :Pokey:

Thanks for the new screensaver, great shot...dayum that boy could ride!

denill

19th December 2012, 13:22

Holy crap! That is an impressive shot. The "Ax Murdurer" sure did add quite a bit to the spectical of MotoGP.

The next frame surely had on the infield????????????????? :sweatdrop

tail_end_charlie

19th December 2012, 14:04

There are those who want to remember #27 for his acerbic manner - and those who want to remember him for his riding prowess.

I remembered that I had found a picture of Rossi on the Duc this past Feb (winter testing) at that same turn at Sepang. I like how it shows that they are both pointed in more or less the same direction, but one is far closer to the curbing than the other. (And yes, the picture of Rossi was taken a little bit earlier in the corner, but I think everyone will agree that he wasn't getting both ends onto the curbing.)

Crasherfromwayback

19th December 2012, 14:17

I remembered that I had found a picture of Rossi on the Duc this past Feb (winter testing) at that same turn at Sepang. I like how it shows that they are both pointed in more or less the same direction, but one is far closer to the curbing than the other. (And yes, the picture of Rossi was taken a little bit earlier in the corner, but I think everyone will agree that he wasn't getting both ends onto the curbing.)

Must be photo shop. I've never seen him get the Ducati sideways in two years of trying!:sunny:

tail_end_charlie

19th December 2012, 15:03

Must be photo shop. I've never seen him get the Ducati sideways in two years of trying!:sunny:

I have! This year at Leguna Seca at the top of the corkscrew. He had it completely sideways with so much lean angle that he was grinding hard parts...........................................co urse he was a couple of yards away from the bike, sliding along on his ass. Would crashing count? :scratch: :facepalm:

Crasherfromwayback

19th December 2012, 15:10

I have! This year at Leguna Seca at the top of the corkscrew. He had it completely sideways with so much lean angle that he was grinding hard parts...........................................co urse he was a couple of yards away from the bike, sliding along on his ass. Would crashing count? :scratch: :facepalm:

Yeah how many times did Rossi chuck the Ducati down the road? Didn't they used to call Stoner a crasher? Goes to show eh...until you know what he was up against...

Maido

19th December 2012, 16:02

There are those who want to remember #27 for his acerbic manner - and those who want to remember him for his riding prowess.

Hmm, I seem to remember sticking up for Stoner in a previous post saying how his reasoning for being angry at Valentino for that Laguna pass was because he passed him on the other side of the white line which is exactly where he is in this shot.

Crasherfromwayback

19th December 2012, 16:28

Hmm, I seem to remember sticking up for Stoner in a previous post saying how his reasoning for being angry at Valentino for that Laguna pass was because he passed him on the other side of the white line which is exactly where he is in this shot.

Problem with that is...It's actually leaving the track and gaining an advantage that's against the rules. Which is what Rossi actually did. Stoner is still well and truly on the track there.

bogan

19th December 2012, 16:56

Problem with that is...It's actually leaving the track and gaining an advantage that's against the rules. Which is what Rossi actually did. Stoner is still well and truly on the track there.

Not quite that clear cut. From this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfPM77TsGaA) angle it looks like rossi out braked himself, and was forced to either cut the corner and push stoner out (who was coming up fast because rossi had less corner speed), turn more to avoid cutting the corner and place himself firmly in stoner's path (doubt either would have stayed on) or biff it into the gravel. He wouldn't be a racer if he chose the later, and of the other two options he chose the right one imo.

As far as the rules go, it could be argued the advantage was gained before leaving the track, and that advantage was narrowing (and furthur diminished) when he went off a little bit.

Just a racing incident which is bloody hard to call imo. One of the times the losing rider need to suck it up and accept the officials decision... Course the media probably influenced things a bit, officials perhaps more likely to side with Rossi cos he sells tickets, and after the fact, probably skewing the reporting angle to focus on Stoner whining like a little bitch :laugh:

Crasherfromwayback

19th December 2012, 17:30

Not quite that clear cut. From this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfPM77TsGaA) angle it looks like rossi out braked himself, and was forced to either cut the corner and push stoner out (who was coming up fast because rossi had less corner speed), turn more to avoid cutting the corner and place himself firmly in stoner's path (doubt either would have stayed on) or biff it into the gravel. He wouldn't be a racer if he chose the later, and of the other two options he chose the right one imo.

:

Nah mate. You're correct in saying Rossi got in way too hot. No way he could've turned it in time. But he only did what any real racer would've as you say. But it was still, as far as the actual rules go...outside of them. There is no doubt about that in my mind. But I would've done the same mate! Rossi is THE best at that type of racing maybe ever. The others should know not to get into an out and out scrap with him. Stoner himself probably knew he needed to get past and fuck off...he simply couldn't do it and was obviously getting frustrated. Score to Rossi!

onearmedbandit

19th December 2012, 21:41

Yeah how many times did Rossi chuck the Ducati down the road? Didn't they used to call Stoner a crasher? Goes to show eh...until you know what he was up against...

Wasn't he chucking it away before his Ducati days?

GD66

20th December 2012, 03:05

I read somewhere a while back that Cecchinello said the reason he biffed the LCR Honda a few times ( most notably that jawdropping endo at Mugello !) was that he found it difficult to accept with the slight handicap of being on a B-spec bike and B-spec tyres he still couldn't quite ride a bit harder to match the quick times. Cecchinello loved him, and in spite of coming out with a chat very seldom, his longterm wrench Christian Gabbarini waxed lyrical about his talents towards the end of his career. Personally I don't give a rats about riders' supposed personalities or popularity with the helmet off, but watching Stoner at work towards the end of qualifying is the most sphincter-tightening, eye-popping experience I've had in 50 years of watching bike racing !

Crasherfromwayback

20th December 2012, 06:45

Wasn't he chucking it away before his Ducati days?

As a learner in the Moto GP class on customer tyres he had a few. Who doesn't when they step up? You remember Lorenzo's first season on Moto GP? But anyone that tries to be competitive on a non competitive bike will crash a fair bit regardless.

Drew

20th December 2012, 06:48

But anyone that tries to be competitive on a non competitive bike will crash a fair bit regardless.Hmmmm, where the fuck were you when I was destroying the 749r monthly aye cunt?

Crasherfromwayback

20th December 2012, 06:55

Hmmmm, where the fuck were you when I was destroying the 749r monthly aye cunt?

Dunno. How many times did Hopkins fuck himself up on the Suzuki/Kawasaki too? Aren't 749's chicks bikes?

Drew

20th December 2012, 06:58

Dunno. How many times did Hopkins fuck himself up on the Suzuki/Kawasaki too? Aren't 749's chicks bikes?Supersport is for chicks, so yes. Superbike is where it's at, I only chucked that away once!

Deano

20th December 2012, 13:32

Supersport is for chicks, so yes. Superbike is where it's at, I only chucked that away once!

I'll never forget you saying you thought you must have knocked yourself out cause you thought the marshals had already come and collected your bike. But no, it was just over the fence out of sight. Bwahahaha

denill

28th January 2013, 11:47

pritch

28th January 2013, 12:27

<a href=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/21220542> Stoner suffered a broken ankle last year but insists his decision to retire has nothing to do with injuries. "We got spat at [by fans], they tried to knock us off scooters going from the motor homes to the pits" He added: "We lost a rider a couple of years ago, and within a month it was like it never happened. They want to see biff and barge and they don't realise our lives are on the line."</a>

Yeah I read that. I note that others have taken issue with the one month statement which does seem a bit hard.

roogazza

28th January 2013, 18:45

<a href=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/21220542> Stoner suffered a broken ankle last year but insists his decision to retire has nothing to do with injuries. "We got spat at [by fans], they tried to knock us off scooters going from the motor homes to the pits" He added: "We lost a rider a couple of years ago, and within a month it was like it never happened. They want to see biff and barge and they don't realise our lives are on the line."</a>

I'm beginning to think he's about 10 years late at 27 to learn when to open the gob and who to ? Maybe it was the way he grew up and missed something ?
I can't help but think Bill, that some Aussie is going to give him a bunch of fives if this continues in car racing ?
Great rider, but hell, respect ????? !!!!

Oscar

29th January 2013, 08:18

I'm beginning to think he's about 10 years late at 27 to learn when to open the gob and who to ? Maybe it was the way he grew up and missed something ?
I can't help but think Bill, that some Aussie is going to give him a bunch of fives if this continues in car racing ?
Great rider, but hell respect ????? !!!!

Respect is a two way street.
Whiners don't get much respect.

Crasherfromwayback

29th January 2013, 08:19

Whiners don't get much respect.

Rossi seems to. :bleh:

Oscar

29th January 2013, 08:26

Rossi seems to. :bleh:

The difference is Rossi is smart and has a sense of humour.
Stoner is a little boy who has trouble getting on with the other kids in the sandpit.

Crasherfromwayback

29th January 2013, 08:41

The difference is Rossi is smart and has a sense of humour.
Stoner is a little boy who has trouble getting on with the other kids in the sandpit.

lol. Quite true. Anyway...dunno 'bout you, but I can't wait for 2013 to crank up!

Oscar

29th January 2013, 08:43

lol. Quite true. Anyway...dunno 'bout you, but I can't wait for 2013 to crank up!

We're looking at a Sepang - Phillip Island trip with some adv riding thrown in...

Crasherfromwayback

29th January 2013, 08:52

We're looking at a Sepang - Phillip Island trip with some adv riding thrown in...

Awesome. Don't think I'll be able to make any this year. But love to do Laguna and maybe Indy next season.

Drew

29th January 2013, 14:29

Awesome. Don't think I'll be able to make any this year. But love to do Laguna and maybe Indy next season.We're considering Laguna as our honeymoon.

Crasherfromwayback

29th January 2013, 14:35

We're considering Laguna as our honeymoon.

Do it. You'll never regret it. What other GP can you go to...that you can pretty much guarantee it'll not rain for?

Drew

29th January 2013, 14:38

Do it. You'll never regret it. What other GP can you go to...that you can pretty much guarantee it'll not rain for?

The weather is why I'll never see a GP at Philip Island again, but it isn't the biggest factor for proper overseas events.

I really like the idea of Spain, those cunts are as mad as I am!

Crasherfromwayback

29th January 2013, 14:41

The weather is why I'll never see a GP at Philip Island again, but it isn't the biggest factor for proper overseas events.

I really like the idea of Spain, those cunts are as mad as I am!

Yeah worst bit about PI. Although last year...it was fucking awesome!

Spain is fucking fantastic. But learn some Spanish. They don't speak English. Fair enough too. I'll pass on all the Spanish I know...it got me by just fine.

Cerveza por favor. You'll be sweet.