MotoGP 2012

[pritch]

From Matt Oxley

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp/when-technology-goes-bad/

He has since acknowledged an error; there is, of course, no GPS in Moto GP.

Oxley has noticed that he is being followed on Twitter by Rossi and Stoner,
"It's like having the headmaster looking over your shoulder."

[Brian d marge]

Ill stick my flag in the sand and say what is wrong with the ducati .

Electronics, ( cuts in too savagely and loses drive from the apex )

and fundamentally engine layout that doesn’t put enough weight on the front .

both of which are hard to cure

If Rossi gets a podium on that bike ( as Ive said many times ) he is a legend ....

I wonder if we will ever know the reasons...

Stephen

[SimJen]

according to the ducati's designer, the engine will be changed for le mans.
It will deliver the power in a different manner! Less torque perhaps?

[Crasherfromwayback]

If Rossi gets a podium on that bike ( as Ive said many times ) he is a legend ....



What about if he wins races on it and even a world title? Not like it hasn't always been a 90 deg vee, and I doubt the electronics have got worse over the years...

[yod]

according to the ducati's designer, the engine will be changed for le mans.
It will deliver the power in a different manner! Less torque perhaps?

Surely they've gone for a narrower V to get the weight issue sorted?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Surely they've gone for a narrower V to get the weight issue sorted?

You'd think and hope...but it ain't that easy to simply build a completely new engine just like that.

[SimJen]

Surely they've gone for a narrower V to get the weight issue sorted?

don't know, remains to be seen in a few weeks time I suppose.

[pritch]

There was a recent interview with Preziosi in which he was saying that the new parts would provide less top end & more torque. Currently both the factory riders have to use more electronics than they would like.

Rossi and Hayden are two on the grid who would prefer less electronic control in MotoGP.

Preziosi also talked about hoping to cure a rear end problem. No mention in the interview of understeer?

Here 'tis

http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201205076860/Preziosi-the-answer-in-3-tests.html

[Brian d marge]

What about if he wins races on it and even a world title? Not like it hasn't always been a 90 deg vee, and I doubt the electronics have got worse over the years...

Electrics ...not worse just not as good ,,,
if he wins a dry race , I will stop wanking for one week ,,Promise

( well ,3 days at Least )

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

according to the ducati's designer, the engine will be changed for le mans.
It will deliver the power in a different manner! Less torque perhaps?
Power is coming on to Harsh just before or after apex ( Not being a rider ) im guessing that they are opening the throttle before apex , to get the drive
Hondas are smoother and more user friendly ,
As for the rear , is it too skittery on breaking ? I dont think so , I think thats a red herring just a feeling thats all

Stephen

[roogazza]

http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201205076860/Preziosi-the-answer-in-3-tests.html

Cheers pritch, interesting.
Go Vale.

[Oscar]

Rossi tweeted after watching SBK at Donnington:

"Purtroppo le nostre gare sono diventate molto piu noiose"

Something like: "Unfortunately, our contests have become more boring."

[Tony.OK]

Rossi tweeted after watching SBK at Donnington:

"Purtroppo le nostre gare sono diventate molto piu noiose"

Something like: "Unfortunately, our contests have become more boring."

Give Rossi a SBK to ride.......:Punk:

[Oscar]

Give Rossi a SBK to ride.......:Punk:

Oh yeah - Vale v. Biaggi.
I'd pay to see that...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi tweeted after watching SBK at Donnington:

"Purtroppo le nostre gare sono diventate molto piu noiose"

Something like: "Unfortunately, our contests have become more boring."

One thing I reckon about the difference between Moto GP and Superbikes that makes the Superbike racing closer is this.

The Superbike guys make so many mistakes, so often, it allows the chasers many chances to catch up. You don't see Stoner or Lorenzo making that many fuck ups per race, if any at all. That's why they're riding factory Moto GP bikes and not playing with 40 year old washed up GP racers on production based bikes.

[Oscar]

One thing I reckon about the difference between Moto GP and Superbikes that makes the Superbike racing closer is this.

The Superbike guys make so many mistakes, so often, it allows the chasers many chances to catch up. You don't see Stoner or Lorenzo making that many fuck ups per race, if any at all. That's why they're riding factory Moto GP bikes and not playing with 40 year old washed up GP racers on production based bikes.

That is true.
However, I'd watch Rossi racing Biaggi in pedal cars or pushbikes, anything - 'cause you just know there's gonna be grief....

[Crasherfromwayback]

That is true.
However, I'd watch Rossi racing Biaggi in pedal cars or pushbikes, anything - 'cause you just know there's gonna be grief....

I agree. Especially after some of the remarks Biaggi has made regarding Rossi of late.

[denill]

Rossi tweeted after watching SBK at Donnington:

"Purtroppo le nostre gare sono diventate molto piu noiose"

Something like: "Unfortunately, our contests have become more boring."

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/souperPoll

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/souperPoll>An interesting poll</A>

[denill]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/souperPoll

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/souperPoll>An interesting poll</A>

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/getVote.jsp?pn=rae0514>Got the Poll link this time.</A> <_<

[Oscar]

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/getVote.jsp?pn=rae0514>Got the Poll link this time.</A> <_<

This makes me think of the Cortese quote: "I left him enough room to finish second."

[yod]

This makes me think of the Cortese quote: "I left him enough room to finish second."

lol, in this case, fifteenth!

Melandri opened the gap, Rea saw a chance and tried his luck, Haslam tightened his line after Melandri overshot and the rest is history.....

I feel sorry for Haslam but I don't think it was Rea's intention to take him out.

Shit happens when you give boys superbike toys to play with. :Punk:

[Crasherfromwayback]

This makes me think of the Cortese quote: "I left him enough room to finish second."

Yeah I love that one!

[merv]

It goes with that one of Stoner on Rossi "ambition outweighed your talent".

[Crasherfromwayback]

It goes with that one of Stoner on Rossi "ambition outweighed your talent".

That's gonna take some beating I reckon.

[slowpoke]

One thing I reckon about the difference between Moto GP and Superbikes that makes the Superbike racing closer is this.

The Superbike guys make so many mistakes, so often, it allows the chasers many chances to catch up. You don't see Stoner or Lorenzo making that many fuck ups per race, if any at all. That's why they're riding factory Moto GP bikes and not playing with 40 year old washed up GP racers on production based bikes.

....and yet an average WSBK rider like Crutchlow can finish 4th in MotoGP. And Troy Bayliss can come in from the cold and blitz all the MotoGP "stars" in a one off ride.

There is no better or worse.....just different. Some riders adapt some don't and it's the luck of the draw if you find your way onto a bike that suits you.

[Crasherfromwayback]

....and yet an average WSBK rider like Crutchlow can finish 4th in MotoGP. And Troy Bayliss can come in from the cold and blitz all the MotoGP "stars" in a one off ride.

There is no better or worse.....just different. Some riders adapt some don't and it's the luck of the draw if you find your way onto a bike that suits you.

That wasn't my point. Have you ever...in the last several years of GP racing seen so many people make so many mistakes?

It was close racing for sure. But it was almost laughable to see so many fuck ups.

PS: As awesome as Bayliss's ride was...not like he set the Moto GP world on fire eh? Maybe the others had more to ride for at the season ending race than Bayliss did doing a 'one off'?

PPS: Spies won a race last year. Do you reckon Crutchlow will this year?

[denill]

....and yet an average WSBK rider like Crutchlow can finish 4th in MotoGP. And Troy Bayliss can come in from the cold and blitz all the MotoGP "stars" in a one off ride.

There is no better or worse.....just different. Some riders adapt some don't and it's the luck of the draw if you find your way onto a bike that suits you.

Good points. Some riders can display talent in one class but can't carry it through to another class. eg Tony Elias. Who knows Marquez, Vinales & co could be the same?

[SimJen]

....and yet an average WSBK rider like Crutchlow can finish 4th in MotoGP. And Troy Bayliss can come in from the cold and blitz all the MotoGP "stars" in a one off ride.

There is no better or worse.....just different. Some riders adapt some don't and it's the luck of the draw if you find your way onto a bike that suits you.

no denying Bayliss' talent but when he won that race he had nothing to lose, the other riders on the top machines were racing for a championship!
he must've just gelled with that bike!
Some guys will ride 110% and either crash or win, others will sit at 99% and finish!

[carbonhed]

PPS: Spies won a race last year. Do you reckon Crutchlow will this year?

Well if Rossi's on the Ducati, Pedrosa's got a broken collarbone, Simoncelli takes Lorenzo out and Stoner decides to take the 20 easy points for second... yes. If that doesn't happen maybe not.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well if Rossi's on the Ducati, Pedrosa's got a broken collarbone, Simoncelli takes Lorenzo out and Stoner decides to take the 20 easy points for second... yes. If that doesn't happen maybe not.

hahaha. I actually think he may win one regardless they way he's going! Silverstone perhaps??

[yod]

hahaha. I actually think he may win one regardless they way he's going! Silverstone perhaps??

If Spies or Lorenzo bins and cracks a collarbone and TPTB give Crutchlow a factory ride for a weekend we might just see a win for him.....

[merv]

.... Simoncelli takes Lorenzo out......

Huh? .................

[pritch]

Spies was on a factory bike, Crutchlow is on a satellite bike. This year.

Was close last outing but this weekend:
Rossi
Hayden
Stoner
Lorenzo

Yes, I have seen the weather forecast :sherlock:

[yod]

Spies was on a factory bike, Crutchlow is on a satellite bike. This year.

Was close last outing but this weekend:
Rossi
Hayden
Stoner
Lorenzo

Yes, I have seen the weather forecast :sherlock:

yeeeaah, nah....I don't think the wet will put the Ducs at the front, certainly closer to it but not 1 & 2 I don't expect.

Would be rather interesting if they did tho :laugh:

[NZsarge]

What... No chit chat about Stoner's retirement at the end of the season....?
Or haven't I gone back far enough in this thread?

[Reckless]

It's official on Moto Gp.Com can't copy the link off Facebook on this bloody iPhone but stoner is retiring end of 2012!

Shit someone send an Ambalance round to Crashers house he's likely to be in a state lmao!!

Oh and Rossi announces he's staying for another two years :)

Now I suppose we'll get who has more passion for the sport comments and debates?

[Berries]

It's official on Moto Gp.Com can't copy the link off Facebook on this bloody iPhone but stoner is retiring end of 2012!?
Try this BBC link - He done lost his passion. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/18108872)

But perhaps of more interest - Disco queen Donna Summer dies. (http://www.odt.co.nz/entertainment/latest-hottest/209755/disco-queen-donna-summer-dies)

[denill]

What... No chit chat about Stoner's retirement at the end of the season....?
Or haven't I gone back far enough in this thread?

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/May/120517bombshell.htm> Can't say I'm surprised.</A>

[denill]

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/May/120517bombshell.htm> Can't say I'm surprised.</A>

<a href=http://motomatters.com/news/2012/05/17/casey_stoner_s_statement_on_his_retireme.html>And more on it:</A>

[DidJit]

Anyone on Twitter? Follow @PaddockMouse (parody account based on the rodent that was keeping Cal Crutchlow and Lucy up in their motorhome). He's currently tweeting about, well, what everyone else is talking about — Stoner's announcement.


In the pub with Casey. He's trollied but I can't make him get his wallet out. He's blaming arm pump again #thatoldchestnut


He's trying sing 'My Way' on the karaoke now and Jorge's just walked in with his ego in tow. This could get messy.


Yes Jorge... you're Simply The Best. Can you stop now? Casey's passed out and I fancy a kebab.


Early to bed. Tina's dancing in a fountain in his underpants & Casey is shouting down the porcelain telephone. They're grown men, you know.

Ah, the lolz...

[Brian d marge]

I lost my passion for the wife years ago , but I still do my business ( duty )

Stephen

[carbonhed]

Wet as fuck in warmup for Moto2. So I guess that puts Pedro out of the reckoning. Dovi for a shock win :Punk:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Wet as fuck in warmup for Moto2. So I guess that puts Pedro out of the reckoning. Dovi for a shock win :Punk:

Get over to the TAB then. Dovi is paying $17.00 for the win. A lazy $20.00 could be a nice wee return!

[carbonhed]

Get over to the TAB then. Dovi is paying $17.00 for the win. A lazy $20.00 could be a nice wee return!

Do they even have a TAB in Waikanae? Plus it's freezing out there and I'm tighter than a tight thing.

What about Vermuelen?

[carbonhed]

Crutchdog on his arse already. That was quick... :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Do they even have a TAB in Waikanae? Plus it's freezing out there and I'm tighter than a tight thing.

What about Vermuelen?

I've got nearly as much chance of winning it as Vermuelen mate.

Local pub is a TAB there ain't it?

Stoner will blow them into the weeds wet or dry anyway!

[carbonhed]

Vermin for top CRT? He's kicking Spies arse at the moment :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Vermin for top CRT? He's kicking Spies arse at the moment :laugh:

I reckon Randy will go sick at home mate. Lauren promised him a root if he did good!

[Ivan]

let me guess stoner defenders are gonna say its cause of the back marker hahaha had to get inearly that was awsome glad i stayed up to watch

[Crasherfromwayback]

let me guess stoner defenders are gonna say its cause of the back marker hahaha had to get inearly that was awsome glad i stayed up to watch

Yeah that was a great race. The best guy won on the day.

[DidJit]

Some very engaging battles!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Some very engaging battles!

And a master class from two former masters!

[SimJen]

yeah Rossi has definately lost that fighting spirit! NOT!
Good race by all accounts!

[pritch]

Stoner will blow them into the weeds wet or dry anyway!

I feel a Tui ad coming on.:laugh:

The rain was the big leveler and we got to see who was the best rider.
And it was Lorenzo.:innocent:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I feel a Tui ad coming on.:laugh:

The rain was the big leveler and we got to see who was the best rider.
And it was Lorenzo.:innocent:

See post 1052.

[pritch]

See post 1052.

I'll take your word that it's worth a look. Our crap old browser at work doesn't show the numbers.

[Crasherfromwayback]

And a master class from two former masters!


I'll take your word that it's worth a look. Our crap old browser at work doesn't show the numbers.

Here ya go then...

[Oscar]

Here ya go then...

I tend to think Stoner did the right thing.
He fought hard but stopped short of any silliness that would have resulted in no points.

Lorenzo - wow, that can't have been easy to ride that hard and concentrate that long. I kept thinking about riding my 950 on bald knobblies on wet seal, but for the analogy to work, I would have had to have gone waaaay faster, not like a nana...

[sil3nt]

Moto 3 was amazing.
Moto 2 was pretty good although fell asleep with a few laps left. Finally my man Luthi wins one. He is a bit like Tom Sykes. Always at the front early on before fading away.

[Matt Bleck]

Rossi must be stoked, this will most likely be the last time he beats Casey! :laugh:

[roogazza]

Rossi must be stoked, this will most likely be the last time he beats Casey! :laugh:

Unless ducati fix it or it rains again.

and it hurt to the core looking at Stoner's face and the but, but but and my tyre was burnt.
Who knows, it could have been ? ( hey, sometimes you get beaten ). I'll miss his riding, but nothing else about him,wish he'd be a better World Champion.
GO VALE !!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I tend to think Stoner did the right thing.
He fought hard but stopped short of any silliness that would have resulted in no points.

Lorenzo - wow, that can't have been easy to ride that hard and concentrate that long. I kept thinking about riding my 950 on bald knobblies on wet seal, but for the analogy to work, I would have had to have gone waaaay faster, not like a nana...

I agree. Like Stoner last year at Silverstone. Gotta be one of the hardest races to win. Lorenzo never looked like being beaten. Class act without doubt.


Unless ducati fix it or it rains again.

and it hurt to the core looking at Stoner's face and the but, but but and my tyre was burnt.
Who knows, it could have been ? ( hey, sometimes you get beaten ). I'll miss his riding, but nothing else about him,wish he'd be a better World Champion.
GO VALE !!!!

lol. Nice one Gazza. Best you take as many lil shots as you can while Stoner is still around. Because stats don't lie...and he's better than your man. Once Stoner is gone...and it rains...and if Lorenzo falls off...fuck...he may even WIN a race for Ducati!

But I doubt it.

[McWild]

Well, could that have happened with better timing for Casey and Vale? Incredible stuff.

I definitely got the impression that about one corner after Rossi passed him, Stoner brought himself right back and decided that some points in third was better than no points from a DNF. Rossi appeared to be totally on the warpath, and a when a guy like him starts to show his, shall we say, more "Simoncelli" side it tends to be best for everyone to just stay out of the way.

Man, it must have taken him some self control though. Possibly the last ever battle between the two greatest of the last half dozen years, and backing away from it?

Stoner's displays in press conferences, interviews, and finally in this race have absolutely amazed me in his maturity. It takes a hell of a strong man to go against what thousands of fans, many journalists, and other riders want one to do. I can't give him any more credit for making his own decisions and not giving in to the peer pressure surrounding him.


Also, god damn those monster energy boys can put on a show huh? I think they might just be my favourite team of the championship.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Stoner's displays in press conferences, interviews, and finally in this race have absolutely amazed me in his maturity. It takes a hell of a strong man to go against what thousands of fans, many journalists, and other riders want one to do. I can't give him any more credit for making his own decisions and not giving in to the peer pressure surrounding him.

.

Hear hear. You and I must abduct Stoner and make awesome looking mini us's with him.:love:

[denill]

Well, could that have happened with better timing for Casey and Vale? Incredible stuff.

I definitely got the impression that about one corner after Rossi passed him, Stoner brought himself right back and decided that some points in third was better than no points from a DNF. Rossi appeared to be totally on the warpath, and a when a guy like him starts to show his, shall we say, more "Simoncelli" side it tends to be best for everyone to just stay out of the way.

Man, it must have taken him some self control though. Possibly the last ever battle between the two greatest of the last half dozen years, and backing away from it?

Stoner's displays in press conferences, interviews, and finally in this race have absolutely amazed me in his maturity. It takes a hell of a strong man to go against what thousands of fans, many journalists, and other riders want one to do. I can't give him any more credit for making his own decisions and not giving in to the peer pressure surrounding him.


Also, god damn those monster energy boys can put on a show huh? I think they might just be my favourite team of the championship.

Well put and totally agree ..........

[eelracing]

Because stats don't lie...and he's better than your man. Once Stoner is gone...and it rains...and if Lorenzo falls off...fuck...he may even WIN a race for Ducati!

But I doubt it.

Racing aint about waiting for the storm to pass...it's about learning to dance in the rain.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Racing aint about waiting for the storm to pass...it's about learning to dance in the rain.

lol. Correct!

[GD66]

Note to Randy de P...


If you drive off and don't make the ladies' tee, it's a jug...:yes:

[Reckless]

Well finally got to watch Moto 2 and GP.
Fuck me that Moto 2 race!!! gotta be race of the year so far!!
How'd you like to slide across the grass, then the track, on your back wavin your arms to try not to get hit.:shit:
Luthi backed it in every corner the whole race great ride.
I still dunno why but quite pleased to see Queerazz fall off :facepalm:

Moto Gp well Lorenzo just made himself look soooo good! And he was the best on the day.
Shit Rossi second, and passing Stoner, bit of drama to keep things interesting :Punk:
Poor little Pedro looks like he just ain't quite got it!
Them Tech 3 boys what a storming season for the team and excellent competition between them.

Water was just what the doctor ordered (excuse the pun) for him and the overall championship!
All and all you couldn't have asked for a better nights racing :woohoo:

[yod]

Note to Randy de P...


If you drive off and don't make the ladies' tee, it's a jug...:yes:

lol

downtrou!

[denill]

We NEED Ducati to stay (and be competitive) or MotoGP as we know/knew it will be gone. Yamaha and Honda can not leg it alone. I had been giving the CRT class the benefit of the doubt up till now as I could see were Espelata was coming from.

Now I see clearly that there is no way in hell MotoGP will survive on a diet of CRTs. Espelata would have to bite the bullet and give way to WSBK.

Then the best riders of the day will be riding in the WSBK series and what a series that would be. All the finance available to road racing, the calendar and tracks and the manufaturers interests would be solely focused on WSBK. After the last WSBK race - woohoo :yes:

[pritch]

We NEED Ducati to stay (and be competitive) or MotoGP as we know/knew it will be gone. Yamaha and Honda can not leg it alone.

The rights to both the WSBK series and MotoGP are owned by the same holding company now.

A week or so ago Dorna, the Flammini (?) Bros (WSBK), the FIM and others were closeted in talks.
I haven't read yet what the topic was, maybe they aren't saying?

It might just be that they were all figuring out how to sell their shares before Rossi retires? :whistle:

[Crasherfromwayback]

It might just be that they were all figuring out how to sell their shares before Rossi retires? :whistle:

There'll be millions of people that stop watching when does without doubt.

[pritch]

Here's a report on the discussions between all the major players:

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/dornacopy.htm

[denill]

Here's a report on the discussions between all the major players:

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/dornacopy.htm

That report dates back to 10am 22 November 2000? :blink:

[pritch]

Oops! I did a Google search and found that item Didn't notice the date but that does explain why Kawasaki and Suzuki got mentioned as MSMA members.

So I'm still looking for a report as to what they were discussing...

[denill]

Oops! I did a Google search and found that item Didn't notice the date but that does explain why Kawasaki and Suzuki got mentioned as MSMA members.

Just goes to show that not a lot has really changed, 'cept we lost a couple of manufacturers <_<

[pritch]

Here's a more current interview, I'll have to go and search who the dude is now, and why someone bothered to interview him?

http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201205227001/Pernat-il-motore-della-MotoGP-e-Rossi.html

[Crasherfromwayback]

Here's a more current interview, I'll have to go and search who the dude is now, and why someone bothered to interview him?

http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201205227001/Pernat-il-motore-della-MotoGP-e-Rossi.html

I find that hilarious. I personally can't see what the hell's wrong with saying you're out at the end of the year. Not like he did a Kevin and pulled the pin early...

[GD66]

Me too. And I wouldn't place too much faith in the gibberings of Carlo Pernat, who these days is more of a fair-weather sailor opinion-wise. Clearly he's unhappy Stoner badmouthed the corrupt, blazer-wearing Spanish clowns whose frequent tampering with the rules, greed and obsession with making one rider bigger than the sport has dragged credible GP bike racing to its' knees.

Someone had to say it ! :niceone:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Me too. And I wouldn't place too much faith in the gibberings of Carlo Pernat, who these days is more of a fair-weather sailor opinion-wise. Clearly he's unhappy Stoner badmouthed the corrupt, blazer-wearing Spanish clowns whose frequent tampering with the rules, greed and obsession with making one rider bigger than the sport has dragged credible GP bike racing to its' knees.

Someone had to say it ! :niceone:

You know it!

[DidJit]

Stoner called it as he saw it. Didn't seem to me like he (overly) trashed MotoGP/Dorna per se. He just communicated (in his own inimitable way) that, aside from not feeling the passion he wants to feel for the sport, he wished the championship was full of prototype bikes only so that (the CRT) riders’ abilities were better demonstrated at a more level playing field (rather than being hidden behind equipment limitations). Seems to me that people are using those comments somewhat out of context to make Casey a villain of sorts. He just did as he has always done, and spoke from his own point of view.

Perhaps Dorna’s next iteration of regulations will be modifying the CRT concept/rev limit/spec ECU into a spending (and leasing/selling) cap on the factories (similar to the NRL’s salary cap)... That might provide a grid full of “pure” prototype bikes again. Might even tempt the aforementioned Australian out of his self-imposed retirement (in conjunction with tiring of living as a mere mortal/Joe Bloggs).

[Reckless]

New Moto GP bike or next gsxr?

http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/05/22/spied-2014-suzuki-motogp-prototype/#.T7xnwlsco80.facebook

[DidJit]

New Moto GP bike or next gsxr? ...

Both — it's IL4 (apparently). :niceone:

Alex Briggs is tweeting that things went well at Ducati’s Mugello test so far:

We hit the track after lunch when it dried out. JB cracked the whip on us & we managed to get the whole day's planned test done in ½ a day.

I can't tell you exactly what we did. But its been good. Some stuff not what we need, but we also tested something that made us smile.

Best thing is that we found a setting that worked well quickly. This means our base from Portugal is solid. Now used at 3 tracks + or -

[trev]

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp/strange-days-in-motogp/

[denill]

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp/strange-days-in-motogp/

Mmmm, thanks for that. A good read and may quieten Stoner's critics a little (But I doubt that!).

Seems like Crutclow may replace Stoner as the whipping boy. :rolleyes:

[Badjelly]

I don't have any problems at all with Casey deciding to retire, with his announcing his retirement well in advance, or with his explaining why. He's a straight-up bloke who doesn't manipulate others.

However his vision for MotoGP seems to involve everyone riding technologically advanced prototype bikes on equal footing, fewer big hospitality units provided by the sponsors and less irksome media attention. How the fuck is that supposed to work financially?

[Crasherfromwayback]

However his vision for MotoGP seems to involve everyone riding technologically prototype bikes on equal footing, fewer big hospitality units provided by the sponsors and less irksome media attention. How the fuck is that supposed to work financially?

Seemed to work perfectly well in the 500cc era.

[slowpoke]

Seemed to work perfectly well in the 500cc era.

With all the cigarette money that is gone baby gone. You could almost run a 500GP bike out of the back of a van, with just rider and mechanic....with MotoGP you could fill that same van just with the engineers laptops.

[Crasherfromwayback]

With all the cigarette money that is gone baby gone. You could almost run a 500GP bike out of the back of a van, with just rider and mechanic....with MotoGP you could fill that same van just with the engineers laptops.

Another reason to bring back smoking. Bikes too.

[denill]

With all the cigarette money that is gone baby gone. You could almost run a 500GP bike out of the back of a van, with just rider and mechanic....with MotoGP you could fill that same van just with the engineers laptops.

Yes, yes and yes. :niceone:

[slowpoke]

Another reason to bring back smoking. Bikes too.

Yep, seemed so simple then eh?

Just had a thought, there's been a bit of shit stirring over the escalating cost/spec of classic race bikes in Oz: megadollar 170hp Katana's with GSXR geometry etc etc. Shawn Giles vs Mal Campbell, vs Robbie Phillis, vs Steve Martin vs Wayne gardener vs Cam Donald....RGB500 vs the above Katana, vs XR69's vs etc..........

.......I'd love to see the look on their faces when retired Casey Stoner rocks up and rolls an NSR500 out of his van!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yep, seemed so simple then eh?

Just had a thought, there's been a bit of shit stirring over the escalating cost/spec of classic race bikes in Oz: megadollar 170hp Katana's with GSXR geometry etc etc. Shawn Giles vs Mal Campbell, vs Robbie Phillis, vs Steve Martin vs Wayne gardener vs Cam Donald....RGB500 vs the above Katana, vs XR69's vs etc..........

.......I'd love to see the look on their faces when retired Casey Stoner rocks up and rolls an NSR500 out of his van!

Not wrong! Gotta say...it would've been good had Stoner been around in the 500cc days. Him and Garry McCoy would've been funny to watch together!

[Reckless]

You've probably all seen it but Stoner retirement interview

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/lrisnzWl2mM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[slowpoke]

Not wrong! Gotta say...it would've been good had Stoner been around in the 500cc days. Him and Garry McCoy would've been funny to watch together!

WOOT! That'd be one hell of a show! The way Garry McCoy's career just slowly fizzled out was such a waste. Had he been from Europe or the US he would have been an absolute superstar.

[Tony.OK]

WOOT! That'd be one hell of a show! The way Garry McCoy's career just slowly fizzled out was such a waste. Had he been from Europe or the US he would have been an absolute superstar.

Must be time for a charity race with all the stars eh? Get all them 500GP bikes outta storage and send invites out to all the stars past and present :niceone:

Would be one hell of a spectacle :clap:

[pritch]

Of all the many column inches devoted to Stoner's retirement announcement my pick for best comment is this:

"His talent outweighed his ambition."

Alas, I can't remember where I saw that so I can't attribute it.

[Mental Trousers]

Google is your friend

http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sports/moto-gp/casey-stoner-tells-valentino-rossi-his-ambition-outweighs-talent-after-jerez-crash/story-fn2ms4i4-1226033027977

[Crasherfromwayback]

Of all the many column inches devoted to Stoner's retirement announcement my pick for best comment is this:

"His talent outweighed his ambition."

Alas, I can't remember where I saw that so I can't attribute it.

I doubt whoever said that has anywhere near the drive and or ambition Stoner has.

[rachprice]

I doubt whoever said that has anywhere near the drive and or ambition Stoner has.

That's what he said to Rossi!

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's what he said to Rossi!

No noooo. Stoner told Rossi he's ambition outweighed his talent.

[Scouse]

That's what he said to Rossi!No no no it was the other way roung he said that Rossi's Ambition out weighed his talent whitch is a bit rich imho.

[Scouse]

No no no it was the other way roung he said that Rossi's Ambition out weighed his talent whitch is a bit rich imho.Ha ha ha replyed at the same time ah well great minds think alike eh Pete

[denill]

No no no it was the other way roung he said that Rossi's Ambition out weighed his talent whitch is a bit rich imho.

A bit rich? In the circumstances I reckon he was VERY circumspect................... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

No no no it was the other way roung he said that Rossi's Ambition out weighed his talent whitch is a bit rich imho.


Ha ha ha replyed at the same time ah well great minds think alike eh Pete

Except for our opinions on who is better of the two!

[pritch]

Google is your friend


Ahhh but Google will only give the correct answer if you ask the right question.:devil2:

[denill]

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/550019_10150630703851386_97690951385_9720769_89921 3389_n.jpg

The Eyes Have It:</a>

Credit: Andrew Wheeler - AutoMotoPhoto

[Cleve]

For 2013, everything depends on Lorenzo.
As he will be the No.1 alien next year EVERY team will want him and will be prepared to spend whatever on him.
Once he has decided - Rossi will be next to decide. Pedrosa (after Le Mans I believe) has gone to bottom alien.
Therefore if Lorenzo stays Yamaha then Honda will try for Rossi or if Lorenzo goes for Honda then look to see a Pedrosa and Rossi Yamaha team.

None of the others will actually count next year as they are not at the level of the 4 current aliens. Marquez might be - but he is an unknown on a 1000cc. Midway thru 2013 we may finally know if he has it or not. Bautista a chance to be an alien, if given a factory bike with Ohlins perhaps. Bradl doing ok and De Puniet is good and Spies - well - we will have to see but he is quickly looking like another nearly alien but lost it. Dovi and Crutchlow - also goods but never aliens.

Bring on Catalunya!

[McWild]

I don't see Pedrosa leaving Honda anytime soon. He has been with them his entire career, and consistently shows the ideals that Honda puts above all else.

Be quiet, don't argue, do what you're told, don't take risks, and power away on the straights :rolleyes:

I also don't think Rossi would even consider Honda either. We all know it isn't about the money for him anymore (if ever it was), and they have too much of a personality clash.

Lorenzo, well, I would say that he seems committed to Yamaha given that they have done a lot for him and his career, but you can see in the man's eyes that he wants to win. He wants to win another championship and, I imagine, another hundred or so after that. He looks like he wants to be the GOAT, and as though he will do anything to remove himself from the shadow cast over him by Rossi at Yamaha, and by Stoner last season. A move to a reliable manufacturer like Honda, I wouldn't rule out.


My money, however, is on Bradl going to Repsol (he is already satellite Honda after all), Dani staying with Repsol, Lorenzo sticking with Yamaha, and Crutchlow and Spies swapping places. Dovi's factory time is over (sadly) as he showed he couldn't cut it when given the factory Honda. I think Marquez will take a Simoncelli bike next year (factory but not factory) and, depending on who does the worst between Pedrosa and Bradl next year, one of them will be giving up their ride to him in 2014.

For now, anyway. We have the rest of the season to see how everyone stacks up. If I could have it my way I'd put the current crop of factory riders and satellite riders on CRT bikes and grab a handful of 125 riders to put on them in their places. Unfortunately I don't think this will happen.

[pritch]

Cleve and McWild, open minded comments.

Rossi's first preference would be to win on the Duc but if they can't make progress...

Honda have said they will not have two Spanish riders which, either way you look at it, can only mean Pedrosa must be on borrowed time.

"Face" is very important to Asian people, if Honda consider that hiring Rossi would lose them face it won't happen.

So we all wait to see what Lorenzo will do, and while he waits his price just goes up and up.

In the meantime I find myself in the unusual postion of considering becoming a Lorenzo supporter. This retrospective appeal is due simply to the fact that if Stoner wins the title this year, all and sundry will claim that whoever wins next year only did so because Stoner wasn't there.

[slowpoke]

Cleve and McWild, open minded comments.

Rossi's first preference would be to win on the Duc but if they can't make progress...

Honda have said they will not have two Spanish riders which, either way you look at it, can only mean Pedrosa must be on borrowed time.

"Face" is very important to Asian people, if Honda consider that hiring Rossi would lose them face it won't happen.

So we all wait to see what Lorenzo will do, and while he waits his price just goes up and up.

In the meantime I find myself in the unusual postion of considering becoming a Lorenzo supporter. This retrospective appeal is due simply to the fact that if Stoner wins the title this year, all and sundry will claim that whoever wins next year only did so because Stoner wasn't there.

But which is the greater loss of face for Honda? Being beaten by Yamaha or giving themselves a chance with Rossi? Pedrosa is up there with Lorenzo and will win some races....but I don't think it'll be quite enough barring some misfortune for J-Lo. No-one else will come within an M1's roar of those two over the length of a season so Honda's options are pretty limited if they want to win the title. They either throw movie star money at J-Lo or come to an arrangement with Rossi. He's the only other bloke on the grid who's capable of consistently winning if he's got the right tools.

With the performance of the Rossi/Ducati combo there is very little if any loss of face for Honda if they could get him back on the box: there would be absolutely no doubt that Honda made the difference.

[Oscar]

But which is the greater loss of face for Honda? Being beaten by Yamaha or giving themselves a chance with Rossi?

Honda have shown several times in their history that they'd rather lose races than lose face. The fabulous oval piston NR500 is a classic example.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Honda have shown several times in their history that they'd rather lose races than lose face. The fabulous oval piston NR500 is a classic example.

lol. Nice example!

[denill]

Someone will tell me if I'm wrong, lol - but I have the impression that the manufacturers don't pay the riders mega dollars and the big dosh comes from the rider's sponsors.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Someone will tell me if I'm wrong, lol - but I have the impression that the manufacturers don't pay the riders mega dollars and the big dosh comes from the rider's sponsors.

No. The top boys get shitloads from the manufacturers.

[jasonu]

Honda have shown several times in their history that they'd rather lose races than lose face. The fabulous oval piston NR500 is a classic example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWK6Uq745Ac&feature=related

[merv]

Funny thing is if they built a 500GP bike these days they'd probably get all the power they would need without oval pistons, 8 valve heads and double con-rods. The current MotoGP bikes rev to 16,000rpm so its quite likely that a 500 V4 could rev to 20,000 like the NR did as design has come a long way with more titanium, tiny flat pistons etc.

Crasher no doubt will tell me if development had kept going on the 2 strokes they would still be ahead so no point talking of what might have been with a 500GP 4 stroke.

[Cleve]

But which is the greater loss of face for Honda? Being beaten by Yamaha or giving themselves a chance with Rossi? Pedrosa is up there with Lorenzo and will win some races....but I don't think it'll be quite enough barring some misfortune for J-Lo. No-one else will come within an M1's roar of those two over the length of a season so Honda's options are pretty limited if they want to win the title. They either throw movie star money at J-Lo or come to an arrangement with Rossi. He's the only other bloke on the grid who's capable of consistently winning if he's got the right tools.

With the performance of the Rossi/Ducati combo there is very little if any loss of face for Honda if they could get him back on the box: there would be absolutely no doubt that Honda made the difference.

Greetings from Japan where I spend a lot of time and have some understanding of Japanese mentality. Plus I married one as well. Slowpoke mate you are spot on here.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Crasher no doubt will tell me if development had kept going on the 2 strokes they would still be ahead so no point talking of what might have been with a 500GP 4 stroke.

Funny thing is Merv...you're wrong. Only so much you can do with a 500cc two stroke, and they'd pretty much got there! Maybe direct injection would help...but it's a revs thing.

[merv]

Yeah direct injection and some form of pressurised air intake too - supercharger or turbocharger with intercooler (as heat was the killer of 2 stroke power), but then a 4 stroke turbo would still probably beat it if we're allowing turbos. Remember the turbo Honda F1 cars (Lotus and Williams) were only 1500cc but could put out 1,000hp on full boost. At that rate a turbo 500 could be far more powerful than the current 1,000cc MotoGP bikes.

How about a two stroke with valves in the head so that the burnt charge is flushed by opening exhaust and an intake valve and squirting in pressurised charge. The killer of rpm with the two stroke is the relatively long stroke including the port timing. Do away with the ports and there you go, shorten the stroke and up the revs. Now that would be a prototype.

[denill]

Yeah direct injection and some form of pressurised air intake too - supercharger or turbocharger with intercooler (as heat was the killer of 2 stroke power), but then a 4 stroke turbo would still probably beat it if we're allowing turbos. Remember the turbo Honda F1 cars (Lotus and Williams) were only 1500cc but could put out 1,000hp on full boost. At that rate a turbo 500 could be far more powerful than the current 1,000cc MotoGP bikes.

How about a two stroke with valves in the head so that the burnt charge is flushed by opening exhaust and an intake valve and squirting in pressurised charge. The killer of rpm with the two stroke is the relatively long stroke including the port timing. Do away with the ports and there you go, shorten the stroke and up the revs. Now that would be a prototype.

Yes Merv. There are a lot of paths that two stroke development briefly travelled. Rotary valves being one of them. Power valves have made off-road smokers so much more user friendly and offer greater degrees of tune, so much so that they are now again the favourite option for many.

However the road/roadrace two stroke development has come to a screaming halt. A return to two stroke powered MotoGP bikes is most unlikely but I would venture that two strokes would be less costly to develop than the four stroke mode of power..

[DidJit]

The other (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/05/28/the_other_silly_season_stoner_s_retireme.html) silly season...

[Oscar]

Yes Merv. There are a lot of paths that two stroke development briefly travelled. Rotary valves being one of them. Power valves have made off-road smokers so much more user friendly and offer greater degrees of tune, so much so that they are now again the favourite option for many.

However the road/roadrace two stroke development has come to a screaming halt. A return to two stroke powered MotoGP bikes is most unlikely but I would venture that two strokes would be less costly to develop than the four stroke mode of power..

Direct injection two strokes were looked at as options for both Moto2 and Moto3.
I think lack of relevance killed them - no one is making or selling them in any numbers yet.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Direct injection two strokes were looked at as options for both Moto2 and Moto3.
I think lack of relevance killed them - no one is making or selling them in any numbers yet.

Hopefully someone will start selling a few and then they may reconsider it. Surely cheaper to race than the current bikes. Yes I've heard the stories about the RS250 Aprilia's costing more. That to me was surely Aprilia taking the proverbial because they could.

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

In the meantime I find myself in the unusual postion of considering becoming a Lorenzo supporter. This retrospective appeal is due simply to the fact that if Stoner wins the title this year, all and sundry will claim that whoever wins next year only did so because Stoner wasn't there.

This is exactly why I don't want Stoner to win this year.

Well one of the many reasons anyway.

[denill]

Of all the many column inches devoted to Stoner's retirement announcement my pick for best comment is this:

"His talent outweighed his ambition."

Alas, I can't remember where I saw that so I can't attribute it.

<a href=http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/179954/1/rossi_stoner_joke_about_jerez_2011.html>Now they can joke about it:</A>

[Badjelly]

:eek5:

http://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/05/29/spanish_savings_banks_and_racing_sponsor.html

[Crasherfromwayback]

. This retrospective appeal is due simply to the fact that if Stoner wins the title this year, all and sundry will claim that whoever wins next year only did so because Stoner wasn't there.

I won't be one of them. It matters not a fuck once he's gone.

[BMWST?]

I won't be one of them. It matters not a fuck once he's gone.

agreed lorenzos win for me was not diminished by the Italian Blokes problems

[BMWST?]

My money is on the lil Aussie this weekend

[Crasherfromwayback]

agreed lorenzos win for me was not diminished by the Italian Blokes problems

Yeah. I dunno if Mick Doohan was still around that anyone would be beating him. Hardly relevant though eh!


My money is on the lil Aussie this weekend

Me too. Hope it see saws all season right till the last round! Been ages (2006?) since we've had that thrill!

[DidJit]

More on the developing ‘silly season (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/05/31/motogp_silly_season_burning_questions_1_.html?utm_ source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MotoGPMatters+%28MotoMatters% 29)’...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lorenzo is quite a funny cunt...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/May/120531a.htm

[roogazza]

Lorenzo is quite a funny cunt...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/May/120531a.htm

Who are ya picking for Sunday, either of the Mexicans or Boner ? A silly question I guess ? But Pedros home track.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Who are ya picking for Sunday, either of the Mexicans or Boner ? A silly question I guess ? But Pedros home track.

I think Stoner will do the bizz. He's always gone pretty good there. Pedro has dropped his bundle I reckon.

Stoner

Lorenzo

Crutchless

Dovi

Pedro

[pritch]

I think Stoner will do the bizz. He's always gone pretty good there. Pedro has dropped his bundle I reckon.

Stoner

Lorenzo

Crutchless

Dovi

Pedro

You may be just a bit unkind to the dwarf but we'll see. What's the weather forecast?
Now if we could just get Bautista in the top six it'd be good for my MCN team.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You may be just a bit unkind to the dwarf but we'll see. What's the weather forecast?
Now if we could just get Bautista in the top six it'd be good for my MCN team.

I've nothing against Pedro. He's fucking awesome. But he just seems to have lost a bit of his edge? I hope like fuck it's dry all weekend. I'm a bit over all the rain do far.

[Maido]

I see cal has the upgraded brake package now. Hopefully this can deliver him the most consistant lap time he is after

[Crasherfromwayback]

I see cal has the upgraded brake package now. Hopefully this can deliver him the most consistant lap time he is after

Wonder if HRC are looking at him as an option?

[Cleve]

Wonder if HRC are looking at him as an option?

Only if Lorenzo, Pedro and Rossi are all with others. He needs to win lots and not just come 4th or 5th for a few races.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Only if Lorenzo, Pedro and Rossi are all with others. He needs to win lots and not just come 4th or 5th for a few races.

Yeah but 4th and 5th on a Sat bike against those cunts ain't too shabby.

[pritch]

Crutchlow says he has an offer, but won't say who from. Yet.

Oh, and the forecast for race day is rain - lots. Then again their forecasters are probably as accurate as ours.

[steveyb]

Choice!! I actually hope it does rain as I love seeing the moaners who don't like racing in the rain get one up 'em.
Note that in FP1 V. Rossi's bike (not L. Rossi as he was fastest) was fastest through the speed trap and only 0.7 off the pace.
Maybe on a more flowing circuit in the rain Rossi might just do a wee bit better than Le Mans?

Stink, not so well in FP2.

[Crasherfromwayback]

V. Rossi's bike (not L. Rossi as he was fastest) was fastest through the speed trap and only 0.7 off the pace.
.

Yeah. The fastest bike is so unfair eh. Not. Gotta use it too!

Pity Rossi is 1.5 sec off the pace when it's dry. Seems gay to pray for rain each week.

[carbonhed]

Exciting qualifying. Lots of people around 1. 41. 5 including Spies who looked like he could park it in the shrubbery at any moment. Hope it's dry.

[steveyb]

Seems gay to pray for rain each week.


Happy and joyful? Yep, why not?
:rolleyes:

[tigertim20]

. Seems gay to pray for rain each week.

maybe, but no gayer than praying for a dry race every week - they are all praying for factors that increase their chances.
whatever makes a closer race suits me just fine, dry races dont seem to offer than in moto GP lately.

nothing more boring that watching everyone circulate several seconds apart from each other.

[BMWST?]

........

nothing more boring that watching everyone circulate several seconds apart from each other.

yes there is......reading endless whining about boring motogp races.

[Robert Taylor]

maybe, but no gayer than praying for a dry race every week - they are all praying for factors that increase their chances.
whatever makes a closer race suits me just fine, dry races dont seem to offer than in moto GP lately.

nothing more boring that watching everyone circulate several seconds apart from each other.

I disagree, there is nothing better than an emphatic Yamaha win, courtesy of Jorge Lorenzo.

[cmoore]

Loved the hd slowmo camera shots...especially the braking shots, pedrosa stuffed up so expect him to fly off the start and be up there ..good to see spies have a better run..still looks like stoner but can never go past Lorenzo on a track he knows so well....if the weather stays warm and dry I pick..Lorenzo, stoner, pedrosa

[denill]

nothing more boring that watching everyone circulate several seconds apart from each other.

I have never regarded ANY MotoGP race as being boring. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

maybe, but no gayer than praying for a dry race every week - they are all praying for factors that increase their chances.
whatever makes a closer race suits me just fine, dry races dont seem to offer than in moto GP lately.

nothing more boring that watching everyone circulate several seconds apart from each other.

Qualifying is fucking close this week...dry. If you subscribe to MotoGP.com...and have seen some of the vidoe highlights...you'd never again say Moto GP is boring. It's just that most people don't see that shit! They've done a slow speed montage of some of the top guys going through turn two. Unfuckingreal.

[jasonu]

Crutchlow says he has an offer, but won't say who from. Yet.

Oh, and the forecast for race day is rain - lots. Then again their forecasters are probably as accurate as ours.

Rain should be made compulsery for at least 50% of the seasons races.

[carbonhed]

Qualifying is fucking close this week...dry. If you subscribe to MotoGP.com...and have seen some of the vidoe highlights...you'd never again say Moto GP is boring. It's just that most people don't see that shit! They've done a slow speed montage of some of the top guys going through turn two. Unfuckingreal.

Really appreciate getting turned on to that site. That ones free though.

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/latest+videos/MotoGP#Catalunya+2012+MotoGP+FP2+Feature+Slow+Moti on

[Tony.OK]

Really appreciate getting turned on to that site. That ones free though.

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/latest+videos/MotoGP#Catalunya+2012+MotoGP+FP2+Feature+Slow+Moti on

Sick :niceone:

[yod]

They've done a slow speed montage of some of the top guys going through turn two. Unfuckingreal.

Yeah, those super slow-mo's are awesome. Two thousand frames a second FFS! Interesting how the dirt trackers, Stoner and Hayden, were happy dragging elbows right next to their knees, then the shot of Lorenzo showed he had his tucked right into his body, @ turn 2 I think?

[McWild]

In a few hours, rain's a comin'... http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/6944036

Cheers for the vid, that was sick.

[Rcktfsh]

looks like its arrived, couldn't resist a tenner on vale at 50 to 1

[Kickaha]

Fuck me that Moto2 race was good, especially those last few laps and what a save from Marquez

[cmoore]

what rain?......what a great finish by lorenzo.....stalked pedrosa until he made that mistake then gone!!.....shame crutchy could't get past stoner to give a bigger gap in the points, great to see the monster tech3 team geta win....and did dovi give it to stoner/honda as he went over!!....shame for spies...he looked on fire.

[Rcktfsh]

what rain?......what a great finish by lorenzo.....stalked pedrosa until he made that mistake then gone!!.....shame crutchy could't get past stoner to give a bigger gap in the points, great to see the monster tech3 team geta win....and did dovi give it to stoner/honda as he went over!!....shame for spies...he looked on fire.

warm up was wet then dried up

[Robert Taylor]

what rain?......what a great finish by lorenzo.....stalked pedrosa until he made that mistake then gone!!.....shame crutchy could't get past stoner to give a bigger gap in the points, great to see the monster tech3 team geta win....and did dovi give it to stoner/honda as he went over!!....shame for spies...he looked on fire.

My thoughts exactly. I still maintain that overall Lorenzo is the best rider, fingers crossed he can get that number 1 plate back to where it belongs.

[carbonhed]

Great MotoGp race. Really happy for Dovi and a fascinating battle between today's two Aliens. Looking at his post crash laptimes Spies had the pace to fight for at least third pace today... so why oh why take a lunge on the third lap on one of the few corners with no runout? Desperate stuff.

Brilliant Moto2 and good on Ianone who brawled his way to the victory. Marquez is still doing that overtake and chop with impunity and needs a punch in the face.

[Crasherfromwayback]

My thoughts exactly. I still maintain that overall Lorenzo is the best rider, fingers crossed he can get that number 1 plate back to where it belongs.

He certainly was this time out. Again! Think Stoner should've gone with the soft tyre after the rain in the morning. Though the hard worked for Pedro.

[Tony.OK]

What was up with that wheelie Dani had towards the end, looked like he must've bumped the wrong button or something, kinda upset his rhythm I thought.

[carbonhed]

Moto3 :lol:

[roogazza]

Great MotoGp race.
Brilliant Moto2 and good on Ianone who brawled his way to the victory. Marquez is still doing that overtake and chop with impunity and needs a punch in the face.

Some good fighting in all 3 classes.
Pol Esp, was he hurt or just disappointed and needing tissues ?

[cmoore]

What was up with that wheelie Dani had towards the end, looked like he must've bumped the wrong button or something, kinda upset his rhythm I thought.

yep that was what stopped him stopping in time so he ran wide at the corner and gave lorenzo the lead...although it had to come...lorenzo had been catching him for the last 3 or 4 laps so had the speed on him...

[carbonhed]

Pol Esp, was he hurt or just disappointed and needing tissues ?

Eees foot eet eees fooked.

[BMWST?]

My thoughts exactly. I still maintain that overall Lorenzo is the best rider, fingers crossed he can get that number 1 plate back to where it belongs.


i think the Yamaha and Lorenzo is the best balanced package,but if CS can get the Honda even halfway decent he is the fastest.Jorge will push on regardless always able to do fast laps,I thought once dani was past and he pulled away a bit it may have been his day,But Jorge just kickin in the fast laps motogp.com (http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2012/CAT/MotoGP/RAC/analysisbylap.pdf?v1_e6178148)

[Crasherfromwayback]

i think the Yamaha and Lorenzo is the best balanced package]

Lorenzo reminds me of Eddie Lawson. Just bangs out perfect lap after perfect lap! Be a cunt of a man to try and race!

[Reckless]

Just watched it agree with all the comments a great night in front of the TV whooohooo!!


Eees foot eet eees fooked.

Foot stuffed is it bugger! he was a real surprise to be up there and riding the wheels of the thing!
Chalk another rider down to that little shit Queerazz! He's gonna kill someone one day!

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/06/04/hard-vs-soft-tires-at-catalunya/

[puddytat]

Well the Marquez incident looked just like that... a racing incident. The Guy had just saved a high side & when he landed back on the seat ,to me he looked like he was about at a 45 deg. angle to his original line....so he basically got spat back into the corner.
I think wotshisface figured there was no way Marquez was going to save it & he committed himself to the inside & bingo...
I think the save by Marquez was purely luck.

[Oscar]

Well the Marquez incident looked just like that... a racing incident. The Guy had just saved a high side & when he landed back on the seat ,to me he looked like he was about at a 45 deg. angle to his original line....so he basically got spat back into the corner.
I think wotshisface figured there was no way Marquez was going to save it & he committed himself to the inside & bingo...
I think the save by Marquez was purely luck.

Apparently the Race Committee penalised Marquez a minute for reckless riding (as he was already on a yellow card), and the FIM over-ruled it on appeal. Race Direction will not be happy. Marquez would be well advised to behave from now on...

[puddytat]

Apparently the Race Committee penalised Marquez a minute for reckless riding (as he was already on a yellow card), and the FIM over-ruled it on appeal. Race Direction will not be happy. Marquez would be well advised to behave from now on...

I hadnt heard about that.....how the fuck do you behave at that level? Ride like...a wuss?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Marquez would be well advised to behave from now on...

He's certainly had more 'incidents' than anyone I can think of for a long time.

[denill]

Well the Marquez incident looked just like that... a racing incident. The Guy had just saved a high side & when he landed back on the seat ,to me he looked like he was about at a 45 deg. angle to his original line....so he basically got spat back into the corner.
I think wotshisface figured there was no way Marquez was going to save it & he committed himself to the inside & bingo...
I think the save by Marquez was purely luck.


How I see it too..............

Marquez would have been so bloody distracted then pleased and surprised that he was still on the bike that all he could think of was getting racing again. He is pretty dodgy though - but that could be read as 'competitive'. And that's why he is a possible future alien. :rolleyes:

[awa355]

Am watching the three races this afternoon. I always record and view all three races.

What a great piece of slo mo photography of the eight Moto3 bikes going through that corner. Would've made a great still picture.

[Oscar]

How I see it too..............

Marquez would have been so bloody distracted then pleased and surprised that he was still on the bike that all he could think of was getting racing again. He is pretty dodgy though - but that could be read as 'competitive'. And that's why he is a possible future alien. :rolleyes:

Pol had been glued to his rear tyre for the whole race.
Where did Marquez think he was when he shut the gate?

[carbonhed]

Pol had been glued to his rear tyre for the whole race.
Where did Marquez think he was when he shut the gate?

He's entirely self absorbed... nobody else counts at all. Like I said... a punch in the face leads to zen enlightenment. Ianone's the guy for the job.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He's entirely self absorbed... nobody else counts at all. Like I said... a punch in the face leads to zen enlightenment. Ianone's the guy for the job.

If not...the big boys will next year quick smart.

[Kiwi Graham]

Stunning footage (watched it last night) those slow mo frames are awesome.
Good to see Lorenzo putting that Yamaha on the top step (where it belongs)
Marquez may be an Alien in waiting but but he needs some race craft/etiquette errr... shall we say...drilled into him. Perhaps out the back of the paddock somewhere so he doesnt get distracted :whistle: That overtake chop thing he's got going on is going to kill someone.
The 'take out' was a racing incident from my perspective, he was a passenger on that bike for a while.

[ktm84mxc]

Did he pick up that habit in the 125/250f's as they seem to all do it esp weaving down the straights , even heard rumors they'd bang the clutch lever while passing.

[Tony.OK]

The 'take out' was a racing incident from my perspective, he was a passenger on that bike for a while.

Agree.........watched all the replays and there looked to be nothing intentional in it.

[Reckless]

Marquez may be an Alien in waiting but but he needs some race craft/etiquette errr... shall we say...drilled into him. Perhaps out the back of the paddock somewhere so he doesn't get distracted :whistle: That overtake chop thing he's got going on is going to kill someone.
The 'take out' was a racing incident from my perspective, he was a passenger on that bike for a while.

Agree with you on the chop thing and I reckon he knew what he was doing when he regained some control and new someone would be there so he cut back onto the apex took all the racing room he could!
And there's the rub for me! Everyone, Rossi, Lorenzo, Stoner gives some racing room, not much, but enough for them all to survive!
Queerazz not only doesn't give any but he takes it from others ie the overtake chop and cutting back in when he new he fucked up and there'd be 100% chance someone else would be up there! I don't like him he's dangerous. Strange for the inside bike to go down in this case but if that was a racing incident it was all of Queerazz's manufacture. I may not be being as objective because I'm not a fan but its happening far to much around him.

[BMWST?]

Agree with you on the chop thing and I reckon he knew what he was doing when he regained some control and new someone would be there so he cut back onto the apex took all the racing room he could!
And there's the rub for me! Everyone, Rossi, Lorenzo, Stoner gives some racing room, not much, but enough for them all to survive!
Queerazz not only doesn't give any but he takes it from others ie the overtake chop and cutting back in when he new he fucked up and there'd be 100% chance someone else would be up there! I don't like him he's dangerous. Strange for the inside bike to go down in this case but if that was a racing incident it was all of Queerazz's manufacture. I may not be being as objective because I'm not a fan but its happening far to much around him.

i agree,Pol was virtually right next to him he just doesnt give an inch .

[Mental Trousers]

No, Pol's front wheel hit him right in the middle of the bike, which is right where you start to see an over taking bike.

Marquez is dangerous and I really don't like him, but that was a racing incident.

He saved the crash, instantly put it aside and got back on the ball. Pol saw a gap, went for it but wasn't far enough forward for Marquez to see him. Anyone else would've looked to see where the other bike was but he didn't. That's the dangerous thing about it all.

[Reckless]

No, Pol's front wheel hit him right in the middle of the bike, which is right where you start to see an over taking bike.

Marquez is dangerous and I really don't like him, but that was a racing incident.

He saved the crash, instantly put it aside and got back on the ball. Pol saw a gap, went for it but wasn't far enough forward for Marquez to see him. Anyone else would've looked to see where the other bike was but he didn't. That's the dangerous thing about it all.

I see your point :) And agree but for one thing. IMHO anyone that has raced knows by sixth sense that the guy who has been hounding you for the last lap is going to have a go, you know he is going to be there, because you cocked up big time and gave him the chance. You know this without looking. What you don't do is deliberately cut him up at 140k and bugger his ankle/season up no matter what level you race at. Imagine if there had of four or five of them there the hole freckin lot would have been down. Anyway Ive said my bit, vented my passion :msn-wink: Ill go have another beer now! LMAO carry on all :niceone:

[Mental Trousers]

That's the point, he didn't look cos he ignores anything behind him. Once he's past someone they're gone from his mind, totally irrelevant, which is why he cuts across people and almost takes them out. He switches off the sixth sense or just completely ignores it. Either way, he's dangerous.

[Brian d marge]

That's the point, he didn't look cos he ignores anything behind him. Once he's past someone they're gone from his mind, totally irrelevant, which is why he cuts across people and almost takes them out. He switches off the sixth sense or just completely ignores it. Either way, he's dangerous.
I like him , no hold barred

and yes I would love to race him .....

you lot are a bunch of poofs

Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

I like him , no hold barred

and yes I would love to race him .....

you lot are a bunch of poofs

Stephen

There's a huge difference between 'no holds barred' and fucking cheap/dangerous. I've raced both types. Only one is fun to race against.

[eelracing]

Jesus wept I hav'nt heard so much bleating since Simo's pass on Pedrosa at Le Mans last year.It was a racing incident and therefore correctly quashed when a protest was raised.

Marquez's save was outstanding to watch and the fact that he got straight back on the gas and chasing was significant...just sit back and enjoy him.

In fact Pol is just as guilty of the same racer mentallity if you really think about it,for he was in the box seat right up to the point of impact to do something about it.

[McWild]

I'm interested in some opinions here...

Personally, I am (was) a huge Simoncelli fan. I really enjoyed his ruthless, gangly style, his commitment and his races. However, I find Marquez very irritating to watch, and I am much less forgiving of incidents he so happens to be involved with. From opinion that I've read through the two racers' heydays, I'm not alone.

So I ask you to explain to me, what is the critical difference between Simoncelli and Marquez? Is there a difference, or am I looking back with rose-tinted glasses? I know that both have been popular and unpopular with their various fanbases. But I do feel like overall they have been received quite differently from one another.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Jesus wept I hav'nt heard so much bleating since Simo's pass on Pedrosa at Le Mans last year.It was a racing incident and therefore correctly quashed when a protest was raised.
.

I haven't seen this last incident. But what I do hate about MM is they way he swerves right in front of guys once he's gone past...before he's even really past them. It's fucking dangerous.

[jellywrestler]

I haven't seen this last incident. But what I do hate about MM is they way he swerves right in front of guys once he's gone past...before he's even really past them. It's fucking dangerous.
Maybe he thinks no-ones watching that bit like when Mike Tyson decided to bite of the ear in the middle of a boxing match, with 8 million poepl watching.
Pete you follow GPs avidly what's the rules/penalties when someone does something outright dangerous?

[denill]

IMHO anyone that has raced knows by sixth sense that the guy who has been hounding you for the last lap is going to have a go, you know he is going to be there, because you cocked up big time and gave him the chance.

Probably right - but the "chance" was a risky chance as Pol went for a gap that was between the curb and an out of shape Marqez and he took the risk of squeezing through, as any determined competitive racer would and collided with another determined racer who was slightly ahead and who took the line. A racing incident.

The weaving is another subject.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Maybe he thinks no-ones watching that bit like when Mike Tyson decided to bite of the ear in the middle of a boxing match, with 8 million poepl watching.
Pete you follow GPs avidly what's the rules/penalties when someone does something outright dangerous?

Yeah...funny eh!

Dunno Spyda. Think they can ban 'em for a race or two? I guess if they keep doing it, deduct points etc?

[Tony.OK]

I haven't seen this last incident. But what I do hate about MM is they way he swerves right in front of guys once he's gone past...before he's even really past them. It's fucking dangerous.


http://vimeo.com/43350090

[pritch]

Marquez has had his card marked. Fair enough, it was a “racing incident”, but he’s having too many incidents in which other riders lose and he benefits.

I suppose it is common knowledge that there is a new head of Race Direction who hails from Maungatoroto (sp?) up north.

[roogazza]

Probably right - but the "chance" was a risky chance as Pol went for a gap that was between the curb and an out of shape Marqez and he took the risk of squeezing through, as any determined competitive racer would and collided with another determined racer who was slightly ahead and who took the line. A racing incident.

The weaving is another subject.

Yeah Bill, both are very keen young men and shit happens but that passing that MM does on the brakes and then chops the bows of the passee looks bloody dangerous.
Great rider though, just needs a tune up.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Thanks for the clip...cuse the pun! To be honest, I can't really see anything too wrong with that.

[Matt Bleck]

Anyone noticed what Jorge does with his elbows when he's cornering? When he's going around left hand corners he tucks his elbow inside his knee while hanging off, then when he goes around a right hander he tucks his elbow in side his knee untill, I presume, he get on the gas and it moves to the outside of his knee? It looks sorta unco....

[puddytat]

I'm interested in some opinions here...


So I ask you to explain to me, what is the critical difference between Simoncelli and Marquez? .

I reckon its the Hair...

[denill]

I reckon its the Hair...

Yeah, a good question and one I have wondered about.

When all the factors are weighed - not a lot of difference, IMO. :rolleyes:

Two 'racers' who will do what it takes to win.

[Mental Trousers]

So I ask you to explain to me, what is the critical difference between Simoncelli and Marquez? Is there a difference, or am I looking back with rose-tinted glasses? I know that both have been popular and unpopular with their various fanbases. But I do feel like overall they have been received quite differently from one another.

The difference is Simo actually gave a fuck about other riders safety. He pushed things really hard and had a few incidents but they weren't dangerous. Marquez doesn't give a fuck. He literally doesn't take anything into account he can't see. So once he's past another rider and they're out of his field of vision they might as well not exist.

[cmoore]

shit that is a hard one, my initial reation was marquez is wrong....as per the rules quoted by FIM......but he only lost control for a second or so....i won't be surprised if they uphold it and i won't be surprised if they don't..not so much on the fence as part of it....

[Brian d marge]

becareful with those knitting needles Darling one could get hurt.

MM pretty much always moves over if he get a wheel in front ....live with it, I reckon

I fell asleep during motogp , so will watch the last half

Carry on ladies

Stephen

[codgyoleracer]

Nah, nothing in it, Marquez lost the front , saved it then thought "shit i better get back in tight otherwise someone might want that piece of track", - which is the correct decision as there was no one directly beside him at the time.

Unfortunate though for a rider to take a heavy fall like that though - coulda come out a lot worse.

[codgyoleracer]

Anyone else spot Stoner going down the front straight with just the heel of his hand on the left bar ?

Pump ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Anyone else spot Stoner going down the front straight with just the heel of his hand on the left bar ?

Pump ?

I've always thought he rides with incredibly 'soft' hands. Seems he likes to piss on them.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jun/120605pp.htm

Maybe it works? You see a lot of the top guys with taped up hands like a fucking boxer. But never Stoner.

[Reckless]

I've always thought he rides with incredibly 'soft' hands. Seems he likes to piss on them.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jun/120605pp.htm

Maybe it works? You see a lot of the top guys with taped up hands like a fucking boxer. But never Stoner.

Nuthin wrong with a good old home remedy Crasher!! :2thumbsup

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nuthin wrong with a good old home remedy Crasher!! :2thumbsup

Sheesh. I've heard of peeps pissing on their feet in WWI to stop trench foot...but ya hands?

[ktm84mxc]

Thought the trick was to use meths to harden up the hands? Some may drink it first before passing it on to their hands.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Thought the trick was to use meths to harden up the hands? Some may drink it first before passing it on to their hands.

There's a geezer I walk past most mornings on my way to work that drinks meths. Wonder how much longer he'll last.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Don't do it Crutchlow!

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jun/120607duccrutch.htm

[DidJit]

Yeah, just wait until Vale's sorted it out, eh. :whistle:

Cal's just doing what everyone else coming off contract this year is doing — playing the game. Silly season is shaping up to be mighty intriguing...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, just wait until Vale's sorted it out, eh. :whistle:

Cal's just doing what everyone else coming off contract this year is doing — playing the game. Silly season is shaping up to be mighty intriguing...

lol. I'd like to see him on the Honda. But maybe he's a bit too much of a naughty boy for HRC's image?

[george formby]

When I started commercial fishing the ropes mauled my baby soft hands & the Skipper told me to piss on them, not wanting to argue with him I did as I was told. Seemed to work or at the very least it distracted me from the problem while the hands toughened up.

[merv]

Funny thing is Stoner doesn't look like a tough fucker, but all these stories about him, his mental attitude and his background dirt track racing sure says he is one tough guy :devil2:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Funny thing is Stoner doesn't look like a tough fucker, but all these stories about him, his mental attitude and his background dirt track racing sure says he is one tough guy :devil2:

I think they're all tough as fuck at that level Merv. Both mentally and physically. There's no way they can keep taking the knocks they do and come back for more otherwise.

[merv]

Yeah, but do they all piss on their hands lol?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, but do they all piss on their hands lol?

They might now the secret is out Merv!

[Tony.OK]

Don't do it Crutchlow!

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Jun/120607duccrutch.htm
Bradley Smith to MotoGP? WTF?
Would've thought Scott Redding would be a better bet if they need a pom?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Bradley Smith to MotoGP? WTF?
Would've thought Scott Redding would be a better bet if they need a pom?

Yeah that deal was signed up a year or so ago. What a waste of a Moto GP seat. I mean really...you're gonna ditch Dovi or Crutchlow for Smith?

[ktm84mxc]

It could end up like car racing whoever brings the biggest sponsorship cash gets the number 2 ride, so how long till we see an Arab or Indian or Chinese Motogp racer.

[Brian d marge]

It could end up like car racing whoever brings the biggest sponsorship cash gets the number 2 ride, so how long till we see an Arab or Indian or Chinese Motogp racer.

Ah Caslee Stona ,

Stephen

[Crasherfromwayback]

It could end up like car racing whoever brings the biggest sponsorship cash gets the number 2 ride, so how long till we see an Arab or Indian or Chinese Motogp racer.

I think it's already that way now mate.

[Cleve]

I think it's already that way now mate.

so tell me who should be in MotoGP and a potential race winner that isn't there because they didn't have money to buy a seat? As for the the CRT riders at the lower end, the options would be great rider with money battling for low number points OR great rider with no money... bloody obvious who the team owner would choose...

[Crasherfromwayback]

so tell me who should be in MotoGP and a potential race winner that isn't there because they didn't have money to buy a seat? ...

The only potential race winners the Aliens. If you talking about winning the CRT 'race', possibly Melandri, maybe even Max. But I reckon Max could probably bring the funds with him anyway. But as you know, I don't see things as you do. Not saying I know how to fix it...but they're bit by bit fucking the class, so perhaps they don't know either. Aprilia don't want to know about Moto GP because they keep fucking with the rules.

[Tony.OK]

The only potential race winners the Aliens. If you talking about winning the CRT 'race', possibly Melandri, maybe even Max. But I reckon Max could probably bring the funds with him anyway. But as you know, I don't see things as you do. Not saying I know how to fix it...but they're bit by bit fucking the class, so perhaps they don't know either. Aprilia don't want to know about Moto GP because they keep fucking with the rules.

Only really started following when the 4 strokes came in, how often did the rules change back when the 500's were racing? Seems alot of development costs get incurred/lost every time they change the capacity.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Only really started following when the 4 strokes came in, how often did the rules change back when the 500's were racing? Seems alot of development costs get incurred/lost every time they change the capacity.

Only major thing they fucked with were weight limits. If mymemory serves me correctly (which it often doesn't), think they used to be a feathery 118kgs? (can you fucking imagine that?), went to 123kg's, then 132?

[Tony.OK]

Only major thing they fucked with were weight limits. If mymemory serves me correctly (which it often doesn't), think they used to be a feathery 118kgs? (can you fucking imagine that?), went to 123kg's, then 132?

Haha and I thought the KTM250 dirt bike was light n powerful, well just had 5 weeks off because it was hahaa.
118kg 500 Gp bike.........fuck that!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Haha and I thought the KTM250 was light n powerful, well just had 5 weeks off because it was hahaa.
118kg 500 Gp bike.........fuck that!

I'll check up on that one day. But I can only imagine and dream of what those things must've been like to ride. Should I ever win Lotto, I'm gonna get some cat to make me a 1000cc two stroke v- twin out of two KX500 cylinders, and stick it in an RS250 chassis.

Torque? Please.

[ktm84mxc]

Crashers correct the FIM set the guide lines of 500cc max cylinders 4 and a dry weight that varied from yr to yr, 250s only 2 cylinders, 125s 1 cylinder so that saw the demise of the four strokes , ah the sounds of a Honda 350 inline 6 4 banger pure nostalgia . Honda tried with the NR500 four stroke a technical masterpiece but had to be 500cc and 4 cylinders so oval pistons 8 valves per cylinder and could rev to 20,000 rpm. got smoked by the 2 bangers.
The 80's were the hay days of bike design eg alloy frames, carbon frames, carbon wheels and brakes, anti dive forks, single shock rear ends etc even the Kiwi's were at it just look at a Steve Roberts F1 bike from the era.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The 80's were the hay days of bike design eg alloy frames, carbon frames, carbon wheels and brakes, anti dive forks, single shock rear ends etc even the Kiwi's were at it just look at a Steve Roberts F1 bike from the era.

The Aus MC News site has pics of all the YZR500's through the years. Interesting to see the changes year by year.

[Brian d marge]

I'll check up on that one day. But I can only imagine and dream of what those things must've been like to ride. Should I ever win Lotto, I'm gonna get some cat to make me a 1000cc two stroke v- twin out of two KX500 cylinders, and stick it in an RS250 chassis.

Torque? Please.
Australian guy already sells them ...cant remember the name though

Stephen

[Asher]

I'll check up on that one day. But I can only imagine and dream of what those things must've been like to ride. Should I ever win Lotto, I'm gonna get some cat to make me a 1000cc two stroke v- twin out of two KX500 cylinders, and stick it in an RS250 chassis.

Torque? Please.

Have you seen the tul-aris? built by a renault f1 engineer using a 800cc snowmobile engine; 183hp:124kg
Also there is a guy on the rgv forums building a v4 rgv500 out of 2 rgv engines


Catalunya highlights are on tv1 at 2pm

[Mental Trousers]

Also there is a guy on the rgv forums building a v4 rgv500 out of 2 rgv engines

I've always thought doing that with 2x NSR engines would be a good thing.

[kickingzebra]

I've always thought doing that with 2x NSR engines would be a good thing.
Yeah, but knowing you, you would try and stop one piston from going! Heh

[Mental Trousers]

Yeah, but knowing you, you would try and stop one piston from going! Heh

Hey, 3 cylinders are the bom!!

[kickingzebra]

Hey, 3 cylinders are the bom!!

yeah, but you guys are thinking way too small; I am going to take an LS3, combine it at the crank with a toureg v10 diesel, run the whole thing on pure hydrogen and have the cranks both spin the same way... Then shoehorn it into my scooter...

[McWild]

yeah, but you guys are thinking way too small; I am going to take an LS3, combine it at the crank with a toureg v10 diesel, run the whole thing on pure hydrogen and have the cranks both spin the same way... Then shoehorn it into my scooter...

That is just ridiculous.





You would need at least an FXR150.

[Scouse]

Hey, 3 cylinders are the bom!!It was that time I let you ride my speed triple that converted you eh.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Have you seen the tul-aris? built by a renault f1 engineer using a 800cc snowmobile engine; 183hp:124kg
Also there is a guy on the rgv forums building a v4 rgv500 out of 2 rgv engines




Yeah remember reading all about it in Cycleworld and weeing my pants a lil!

[george formby]

Crashers correct the FIM set the guide lines of 500cc max cylinders 4 and a dry weight that varied from yr to yr, 250s only 2 cylinders, 125s 1 cylinder so that saw the demise of the four strokes , ah the sounds of a Honda 350 inline 6 4 banger pure nostalgia .

I recently read an article by Alan Cathcart, on his most memorable bikes. The Honda featured, he stalled it coming into a corner. At 9000rpm. Crikey!

A thought crossed the vacant landscape of my mind at the weekend.. What happens to all the ex GP bikes? I know their are quite a lot in collections, museums etc but their must have been thousands of them left by the wayside over the decades. Particularly the last two or three with so many changes.

[Crasherfromwayback]

.. What happens to all the ex GP bikes? I know their are quite a lot in collections, museums etc but their must have been thousands of them left by the wayside over the decades. Particularly the last two or three with so many changes.

Most of them back in the day got introduced to 'Mr Crusher'. Some of the racers put it in their contracts that they got to keep their championship winning bikes. Rossi was told he get to keep his 500 then wasn't. I can fully understand him getting the pip over that! Maybe if Honda want him back next year he can tell them "I'll sign, but you cunts can give me my championship winning NSR500" Just get it in writing this time!!!

[Oscar]

Most of them back in the day got introduced to 'Mr Crusher'. Some of the racers put it in their contracts that they got to keep their championship winning bikes. Rossi was told he get to keep his 500 then wasn't. I can fully understand him getting the pip over that! Maybe if Honda want him back next year he can tell them "I'll sign, but you cunts can give me my championship winning NSR500" Just get it in writing this time!!!

I've got an expansion chamber and muffler from Norick Abe's 1996 YZR500 that missed the crusher (not actually a crusher as such, they used the forklift at the back of the workshop to flatten the chambers, tanks and fairings - the motors went back to Japan).

[george formby]

Most of them back in the day got introduced to 'Mr Crusher'. Some of the racers put it in their contracts that they got to keep their championship winning bikes. Rossi was told he get to keep his 500 then wasn't. I can fully understand him getting the pip over that! Maybe if Honda want him back next year he can tell them "I'll sign, but you cunts can give me my championship winning NSR500" Just get it in writing this time!!!

The thought of that almost has me reaching for the kleenex.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I've got an expansion chamber and muffler from Norick Abe's 1996 YZR500 that missed the crusher (not actually a crusher as such, they used the forklift at the back of the workshop to flatten the chambers, tanks and fairings - the motors went back to Japan).

lol. Nice. Purchase a metal detector and rummage round Yamaha's race department grounds to see if you can find the rest of it!