MotoGP 2013

[Mental Trousers]

Interesting article about the engine use so far

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/motogp-engine-usage-halfway-2013/

[merv]

Interesting article about the engine use so far

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/motogp-engine-usage-halfway-2013/

Go the mighty Honda.

[Mental Trousers]

Go the mighty Honda.

Indeed. Bradl - 49 sessions including 4 races out of an engine that's still active. Four Honda engines in the 40's and not a single engine from anyone else can match them.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's why HRC value his input.

Shuhei Nakamoto – HRC Executive Vice President
“Over the course of Casey’s two-day test, we’ve been able to gather a vast amount of data and ideas for development. Consequently, we aim to increase our pace of development and hope that this, in turn, will lead to us winning this year’s Championship. We focused exclusively on the RC213V, but in future tests, we’ll get Casey to test-ride the tentatively named MotoGP Production Racer and assist in raising its level of performance even further”

[Tony.OK]

That's why HRC value his input.

Shuhei Nakamoto – HRC Executive Vice President
“Over the course of Casey’s two-day test, we’ve been able to gather a vast amount of data and ideas for development. Consequently, we aim to increase our pace of development and hope that this, in turn, will lead to us winning this year’s Championship. We focused exclusively on the RC213V, but in future tests, we’ll get Casey to test-ride the tentatively named MotoGP Production Racer and assist in raising its level of performance even further”

It aint like they'd come out n say Casey rode like shit and we gained fuk all haha ;-)

[Crasherfromwayback]

It aint like they'd come out n say Casey rode like shit and we gained fuk all haha ;-)

lol. Yeah...I think they'd just not bother to set up the test.

[Geeen]

When I was watching the last round of WSBK the commentators mentioned a rumour of Nicky going to ride a Honda in WSBK and Johnny Rea getting one of the satellite Hondas in GP. Do any of you know the guts of this??? Or is it just silly season speculation??

[yod]

When I was watching the last round of WSBK the commentators mentioned a rumour of Nicky going to ride a Honda in WSBK and Johnny Rea getting one of the satellite Hondas in GP. Do any of you know the guts of this??? Or is it just silly season speculation??

Yeah I heard similar, I wonder if Rea is going to get Bradl's bike. Bradl is off contract at the end of this year I think? I'd love to see Rea get a couple of seasons in GP.

On another interesting note: Toseland (during SBK commentary) was saying that Bradl doesn't get paid a cent from Honda to ride that bike, he has to survive on his sponsor funds alone.

[Geeen]

On another interesting note: Toseland (during SBK commentary) was saying that Bradl doesn't get paid a cent from Honda to ride that bike, he has to survive on his sponsor funds alone.

I was quite surprised when that was said, seems only the big teams pay their riders.... Was also interested to hear that the FIXI Crescent Suzuki team is mostly volunteers

[pritch]

I was quite surprised when that was said, seems only the big teams pay their riders....

This has all been reported before. Apart from a fortunate few, most riders in the various GP classes have to pay for the ride. In some case the team managers have been leaving it to the riders to raise sponsorship. Some riders have a very basic lifestyle.

There was an interesting comment from Vermuelen recently. He said that if somebody walked into the WSBK paddock with a rulebook, half of the teams would be disqualified.

Asked which half, he replied, "The top half."

[yod]

This has all been reported before. Apart from a fortunate few, most riders in the various GP classes have to pay for the ride. In some case the team managers have been leaving it to the riders to raise sponsorship. Some riders have a very basic lifestyle.

There was an interesting comment from Vermuelen recently. He said that if somebody walked into the WSBK paddock with a rulebook, half of the teams would be disqualified.

Asked which half, he replied, "The top half."

I wonder if this will remain the case now that Dorna has their fingers on the strings....

[Crasherfromwayback]

.

There was an interesting comment from Vermuelen recently. He said that if somebody walked into the WSBK paddock with a rulebook, half of the teams would be disqualified.

Asked which half, he replied, "The top half."

They were certainly becoming a far cry from a production baesed race bike of old eh.

[tail_end_charlie]

Yeah I heard similar, I wonder if Rea is going to get Bradl's bike. Bradl is off contract at the end of this year I think? I'd love to see Rea get a couple of seasons in GP.

On another interesting note: Toseland (during SBK commentary) was saying that Bradl doesn't get paid a cent from Honda to ride that bike, he has to survive on his sponsor funds alone.

My understanding was that Bradl has a contract through the end of the 2014 season (just like DP, MM, JL, VR, AD, BS, and AB who's contracts all end after 2014 season) but the rumormill was saying that there was a performance clause in the contract that Honda could use to get out of it.

Personally I don't think that's going to happen, LCR have said that they are very happy with Bradl, and arn't interested in switching riders at this time.

[pritch]

My understanding was that Bradl has a contract through the end of the 2014 season (just like DP, MM, JL, VR, AD, BS, and AB who's contracts all end after 2014 season) but the rumormill was saying that there was a performance clause in the contract that Honda could use to get out of it.

Personally I don't think that's going to happen, LCR have said that they are very happy with Bradl, and arn't interested in switching riders at this time.

I had read that the skids were under him (to be replaced by Crutchlow) but that his recent perforomances saved him.

[GD66]

This has all been reported before. Apart from a fortunate few, most riders in the various GP classes have to pay for the ride. In some case the team managers have been leaving it to the riders to raise sponsorship. Some riders have a very basic lifestyle.


Good, innit ? In the 1950s, 60s and 70s, the GP grids of Europe were full of privateers making a living from being paid start money to attend not only GPs, but a stack of international and national races, and even hillclimbs in between. Since the FIM handpassed the whole box and dice to Dorna, the racing is now marketed worldwide to a tv audience of millions, and gate prices have skyrocketed, yet there's no money to pay the entertainers putting their lives on the line. Where the hell does it all go ?

[roogazza]

Good, innit ? In the 1950s, 60s and 70s, the GP grids of Europe were full of privateers making a living from being paid start money to attend not only GPs, but a stack of international and national races, and even hillclimbs in between. Since the FIM handpassed the whole box and dice to Dorna, the racing is now marketed worldwide to a tv audience of millions, and gate prices have skyrocketed, yet there's no money to pay the entertainers putting their lives on the line. Where the hell does it all go ?

It's quite understandable that Crutchless would want to make hay while he can with such a short working life riding motorcycles.
Forgetting the romantic idea for a minute, that they're there for the glory of winning.
They probably start out that way though?

[merv]

Good, innit ? In the 1950s, 60s and 70s, the GP grids of Europe were full of privateers making a living from being paid start money to attend not only GPs, but a stack of international and national races, and even hillclimbs in between. Since the FIM handpassed the whole box and dice to Dorna, the racing is now marketed worldwide to a tv audience of millions, and gate prices have skyrocketed, yet there's no money to pay the entertainers putting their lives on the line. Where the hell does it all go ?

Exactly, where does all the money go? We know with F1 it made Bernie a billionaire - it all seems rather ridiculous doesn't it that the real earners get very little while the others take the huge amounts of cash.

[yod]

My understanding was that Bradl has a contract through the end of the 2014 season (just like DP, MM, JL, VR, AD, BS, and AB who's contracts all end after 2014 season) but the rumormill was saying that there was a performance clause in the contract that Honda could use to get out of it.

Personally I don't think that's going to happen, LCR have said that they are very happy with Bradl, and arn't interested in switching riders at this time.

Yeah, you wonder where Rea could go if all the prototype Hondas are taken. I wouldn't have thought he'd want to race the production version or a revamped CRT as they're not likely to be too close to the pointy end.

[pritch]

Yeah, you wonder where Rea could go if all the prototype Hondas are taken. I wouldn't have thought he'd want to race the production version or a revamped CRT as they're not likely to be too close to the pointy end.

MCN have just posted an item that says Honda want Rea but that initially the ride would have to be the production bike there being no other options currently open. One possibility mentioned was a production Honda in the PBR team.

[DidJit]

Yamaha have, apparently, been testing their version of a seamless gearbox (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2013/08/08/yamaha_s_seamless_gearbox_tested_at_brno.html) at Brno...

Oh, and there’s some footage of CS27 testing at Motegi here (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/194348/1/video_casey_stoner_testing_honda_motogp_bike.html) .

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's quite understandable that Crutchless would want to make hay while he can with such a short working life riding motorcycles.
Forgetting the romantic idea for a minute, that they're there for the glory of winning.
They probably start out that way though?

Maybe I'm a freak. But I raced motorcycles on and off for years. One thing that never EVER changed for me? I wanted to win and kick ever other cunts arse every single time I put my leathers on. And I used to PAY to race. A lot. I simply can't understand why someone at that level would be any different.

[McWild]

We are in for absolute time next silly season with so many contracts ending and so much talent in the field. Wow, it is going to be a clusterfuck.

[Bender]

Some interesting comment from David Emmett ("Kropotkin") on advrider's MotoGP thread, concerning C Stoner's abilities as a test rider.

Q: How do you calculate the "rider with the best feeling for a motorcycle in the world" formula?

Emmett: You talk to a bunch of crew chiefs and listen to what they have to say.

Everyone I have spoken to says his feel was unparalleled. They all have outstanding feel, the best have amazing feel, but Stoner is said to have been the most sensitive to what a bike was doing.

[Oscar]

Some interesting comment from David Emmett ("Kropotkin") on advrider's MotoGP thread, concerning C Stoner's abilities as a test rider.

Q: How do you calculate the "rider with the best feeling for a motorcycle in the world" formula?

Emmett: You talk to a bunch of crew chiefs and listen to what they have to say.

Everyone I have spoken to says his feel was unparalleled. They all have outstanding feel, the best have amazing feel, but Stoner is said to have been the most sensitive to what a bike was doing.

So why, during his time at Ducati, did he start with a winning bike which ended up as a POS after his exit?
He appeared to be the only person that could win on the Duc, by riding around its faults.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So why, during his time at Ducati, did he start with a winning bike which ended up as a POS after his exit?
He appeared to be the only person that could win on the Duc, by riding around its faults.

I think that's pretty obvious by now ain't it Oscar? And like...is the Honda a pile of shit after his two years on it? They asked him back as a test rider because???

[roogazza]

Maybe I'm a freak. But I raced motorcycles on and off for years. One thing that never EVER changed for me? I wanted to win and kick ever other cunts arse every single time I put my leathers on. And I used to PAY to race. A lot. I simply can't understand why someone at that level would be any different.
I guess we all did that while youngish ! We paid to do it yes and got money even if it was only 100 bucks for a win. But you are right we didn't do it for the money. Then you realise that although you're ok at it others pop up who are better and priorities change.
Now older I look at the level these guys are at and can appreciate what millions can do.

[Kendog]

So why, during his time at Ducati, did he start with a winning bike which ended up as a POS after his exit?
He appeared to be the only person that could win on the Duc, by riding around its faults.
Maybe if they had listed to his feedback, he would not have left.

[Oscar]

I think that's pretty obvious by now ain't it Oscar? And like...is the Honda a pile of shit after his two years on it? They asked him back as a test rider because???

Because they want him to come back to the big show.
That's pretty bloody obvious.

I seem to recall him whinging about the bike being set up after arriving at Honda. Too Pedrosa-ish.

[Oscar]

Maybe if they had listed to his feedback, he would not have left.

True. But I suspect it had more to do with $$$$

[Bender]

So why, during his time at Ducati, did he start with a winning bike which ended up as a POS after his exit?
He appeared to be the only person that could win on the Duc, by riding around its faults.

Being able to ride around the Ducati's shortcomings just underlines his ability to sense what the bike is doing and put it right on the ragged edge, but not over it. (although the thing often bit Stoner on the arse as well).

Ducati has been criticised for failing to listen to a long line of riders, including Stoner and Rossi. Was it Caprirossi they sent to a shrink rather than listen to his criticism of the bike? How Italian! Left Marco Melandri rocking and sobbing in a dark corner too. The current riders are hardly complimentary about it either.

Lots of personnel changes in that team under the new ownership and I'll bet there will be a new bike for 2014 - one that doesn't use the engine to locate the swingarm mount so they can get away from the current configuration and put some heat into the front tyre.

[pritch]

Ducati has been criticised for failing to listen to a long line of riders, including Stoner and Rossi. Was it Caprirossi they sent to a shrink rather than listen to his criticism of the bike?



Milandri.

I think Stoner is testing the Honda because the normal test riders can't ride at 100% the pace of the aliens and can miss problems that only show at 100%. Once he setties in Stoner will be able to ride at 100%.

Apparently this time he was testing the current bike but future tests will involve the 2014 model.

Looks like Yamaha may have to wait until next year for their seamless gearbox. It needs different engine cases and they are already in engine trouble. Also following Rossi's stoppage there is a question mark over the reliabliity.

There was some discussion this morning about what Dorna permit and what they ban. BIKE pointed out a few years ago that there was nobody at Dorna that really understood bikes. Consequently their rules have tended to be of the knee jerk variety. The factories are busy developing technology that will probably never be used on road bikes, ie carbon brakes, seamless gearboxes. Technology that could be developed for road bikes: dual clutches, (apparently lighter and cheaper than a seamless gearbox), and electronically adjustable suspension, are banned.

[tail_end_charlie]

There was some discussion this morning about what Dorna permit and what they ban. BIKE pointed out a few years ago that there was nobody at Dorna that really understood bikes. Consequently their rules have tended to be of the knee jerk variety. The factories are busy developing technology that will probably never be used on road bikes, ie carbon brakes, seamless gearboxes. Technology that could be developed for road bikes: dual clutches, (apparently lighter and cheaper than a seamless gearbox), and electronically adjustable suspension, are banned.

Shorter way to say ^^^ ................ Dorna have their head up their ass. :weird: :facepalm:

[roogazza]

Milandri.
I think Stoner is testing the Honda because the normal test riders can't ride at 100% the pace of the aliens and can miss problems that only show at 100%. Once he setties in Stoner will be able to ride at 100%.
Apparently this time he was testing the current bike but future tests will involve the 2014 model.

Yeah Pritch, I believe Hondas top tester hurt himself and with Pedrosa on the mend they were short on top feedback ?
No times you'll notice and like Oscar said maybe Honda are dangling the carrot.
All stories I read say nothing has changed, he prefers fishing!

[steveyb]

Seemless gearboxes are already used in a range of Honda road bikes.
They are featured in BRM this month.
While it might not be exactly the same as the GP transmission, it is the same concept.
i.e.: twin clutches to allow pre-selection of next gear so that shifting is almost instantaneous.
Also used in VW Golf.

[Oscar]

There was some discussion this morning about what Dorna permit and what they ban. BIKE pointed out a few years ago that there was nobody at Dorna that really understood bikes. Consequently their rules have tended to be of the knee jerk variety. The factories are busy developing technology that will probably never be used on road bikes, ie carbon brakes, seamless gearboxes. Technology that could be developed for road bikes: dual clutches, (apparently lighter and cheaper than a seamless gearbox), and electronically adjustable suspension, are banned.

When was the last time you saw a four cylinder two stroke for sale?
A bike with oval pistons?
Some of the great things in racing have been technological dead ends.

I think it's BIKE that doesn't understand GP racing.

[Mental Trousers]

While it might not be exactly the same as the GP transmission, it is the same concept.
i.e.: twin clutches to allow pre-selection of next gear so that shifting is almost instantaneous.
Also used in VW Golf.

Twin clutch gearboxes are banned in MotoGP. VisorDown have an article on the Honda gearbox

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/hondas-motogp-gearbox-explained/17679.html

[yod]

Yeah Pritch, I believe Hondas top tester hurt himself and with Pedrosa on the mend they were short on top feedback ?
No times you'll notice and like Oscar said maybe Honda are dangling the carrot.
All stories I read say nothing has changed, he prefers fishing!

Sounds like he stills loves caning the snot out of the fastest bikes on the planet too - just not in the middle of a travelling circus. Nice work if you can get it.

[BMWST?]

stoner testing the bike makes it legal testing too i think.because he is not a motogp rider they can test as much as they like?Thats big big advantage there having a top rider being able to see how the bike goes.

[merv]

You can see in that video how animated he is describing what was going on and how attentive Nakamoto and his boys are to Stoner.

[BMWST?]

You can see in that video how animated he is describing what was going on and how attentive Nakamoto and his boys are to Stoner.

He always seemed quite animated when giving feedback to the pit crew


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[steveyb]

Twin clutch gearboxes are banned in MotoGP. VisorDown have an article on the Honda gearbox

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/hondas-motogp-gearbox-explained/17679.html

Fair enough. I stand corrected.

[Cleve]

Oh, and there’s some footage of CS27 testing at Motegi here (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/194348/1/video_casey_stoner_testing_honda_motogp_bike.html) .

Lovely. Thanks for that. Oh the NOISE!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lovely. Thanks for that. Oh the NOISE!!

I reckon. They sound angry as hell eh.

[steveyb]

Two observations:
CS still drags his boots along the ground as he goes down pitlane
The old school mechanic warming up the 213V without any ear-plugs or muffs. What a mug.
When you have been right next to them in the pits (like I have, yeah!) they can hurt your ears.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Two observations:
CS still drags his boots along the ground as he goes down pitlane
The old school mechanic warming up the 213V without any ear-plugs or muffs. What a mug.
When you have been right next to them in the pits (like I have, yeah!) they can hurt your ears.

They sure as fuck do. Hurt like hell even a bit further away.

[pritch]

Well the various members of the circus are wending their way to Indy. Not long now and we should have something to chat about.

[yod]

some entertainment while we wait

http://theworldaccordingtoasinglemom.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/demotivator-bodyposture.jpg

[Drew]

some entertainment while we wait
Yeah, wouldn't matter what that Dora bitch said. Lying on the couch like that, she wouldn't be taken seriously!

[Cleve]

predictions for Indy?

Pre practice I say;

1. Marquez
2. Bradl
3. Rossi

I think both Pedrosa and Lorenzo are not quite 100%?

[Crasherfromwayback]

predictions for Indy?

Pre practice I say;

1. Marquez
2. Bradl
3. Rossi

I think both Pedrosa and Lorenzo are not quite 100%?

MM

Pedro

Lorenzo

They've had a three week break and should be ok enough to do the bizz. Pedro especially.

[pritch]

Lorenzo
MM
Rossi

Some scribes are pointing out that it was the second half of the season last year when Pedro started winning. That's OK, but all Jorge had to do to win the title was follow the dwarf around. Very different situation this year, so likely some different results.

[Kendog]

How good is this second half gong to be?
Awesome if the first half is anything to go by.

MM
JL
CC

[tail_end_charlie]

Dp
mm
jl

[Trudes]

Lorenzo, Marquez, Bradl.
Would love for one of the local fellas to be up there, but the chances of that happening seem a little unlikely. :(

[Bender]

MM
Bradl
Lorenzo

BTW, thanks for the earlier tip about Kevin Cameron's book about classic motorycle engines. Bloody good read, it is and I'm sorry I called you all bastards for making me buy it. :shutup:

[roogazza]

Not what I'd wish for but, Hondas 1 and 2,
Yamahas 3 and four.

[manxkiwi]

MM

Pedro

Lorenzo

They've had a three week break and should be ok enough to do the bizz. Pedro especially.


Hope you're right Crasher, that's my pick in our fantasy championship at work.

Plus Rossi 4th, Bradl 5th.

Got Free view locked in to record the happenings.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Got Free view locked in to record the happenings.

Yeah I'm gonna have to drag my sorry arse out of bed early to watch it live. Looking forward to it.

[pritch]

Well some sort of a picture will begin to emerge tonight. About time.

Crutchlow's answer when questioned as to why he's going to Ducati. "I like the colour."

[Crasherfromwayback]

"I like the colour."

Yeah. The colour of money.

[Drew]

Pedrosa, Lorenzo, Crutchlow:yes:

[manxkiwi]

Did anyone else not get qualifying last night? Just wondering if it was my machine, or if Sommet had some trouble showing it?

Cheers.

[BMWST?]

Did anyone else not get qualifying last night? Just wondering if it was my machine, or if Sommet had some trouble showing it?

Cheers.

was this morning wasnt it...reminds me i have missed it too i think!

edit...bugger was on a t 6 am

[roogazza]

Did anyone else not get qualifying last night? Just wondering if it was my machine, or if Sommet had some trouble showing it?

Cheers.
I follow Motogp on Cricfree tv but because I'm a bit thick I have a lot of trouble with the timings. I managed to catch moto2 at 7am this morning.
By christ I hope Sky buy Motogp next year, this shits me.

[DidJit]

What do you reckon: JL99 and DP26 must surely be thinking of engaging MM93 in a dog fight as long as possible just to keep him from streaking away at the front?

[jasonu]

Spies out for probably another month.

[carbonhed]

Spies out for probably another month.

Wasn't it coming out of the pits, neglected to shift to 2nd, no traction control in first, highsided his arse off and fucked his other shoulder. Feel really sorry for the poor bugger.

[carbonhed]

What do you reckon: JL99 and DP26 must surely be thinking of engaging MM93 in a dog fight as long as possible just to keep him from streaking away at the front?

I imagine dogfighting with MM is probably the last thing they "want" to do :laugh: Needs must though.

[pritch]

I have a lot of trouble with the timings.

The MotoGP site gives the times both at the venue and also that of the viewer. That info offered on the assumption that it's actually being broadcast live where you're watching.

[jasonu]

Wasn't it coming out of the pits, neglected to shift to 2nd, no traction control in first, highsided his arse off and fucked his other shoulder. Feel really sorry for the poor bugger.

Um don't think so. http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/194593/1/ben_spies_dislocates_shoulder_out_of_indy.html

MM has pole half a second faster than the rest.
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/913/16847/Motorcycle-Article/MotoGP-Indianapolis-Qualifying-Results-2013.aspx

[DidJit]

... Needs must though.

Indeed. :yes:

[badlieutenant]

the sommet coverage appeared to start a little earlier as I only recorded the second qualifying round. MM looks to be the man. But JL, DP were looking good too, specialy considering possible recovery required.
Moto2 is a must watch for me now. 1sec separating top 18 riders, sheeesh.

[Trudes]

Love the jump feature installed on the last corner for red bikes ;) hahaha

[Crasherfromwayback]

MM

Pedro

Lorenzo

They've had a three week break and should be ok enough to do the bizz. Pedro especially.

Boom. Thanks T.A.B.

[Ntoxcated]

MM

Pedro

Lorenzo

They've had a three week break and should be ok enough to do the bizz. Pedro especially.

But didn't he look wrecked at the end! Tough couple of weeks coming up.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But didn't he look wrecked at the end! Tough couple of weeks coming up.

I reckon. MM is surely odds on to win the title now I reckon though.

[tail_end_charlie]

Dp
mm
jl


Boom. Thanks T.A.B.

Dammit!! So close............must have been too much wishful thinking for Dani to win it. Looked like he was in a bit of pain when he got off the bike in parc firme.

[McWild]

Most enjoyable race at Indy that I've seen. Some awesome scrapping for 4th, and very cool to see the top 3 putting so much pressure on each other, only to have Marquez finish it. I have to say I'm going for MM this year - I want to see some serious history made this season. That will also get JL and whoever else to bring some serious extra game next season (hopefully).

Speaking of next season, Spanish site MotoCuatro (http://www.motocuatro.com) have reported that:

- NGM Forward Racing are changing from their current FTR/Kawasaki setup to satellite M1s next season. That's both motor and chassis. The conditions being that they use the spec ECU - but get the 24 litres of fuel, super soft tyres, extra engines and all that CRT stuff. The goss appears to be that they've been talking to Aleix Espargaro, Jonny Rea, and Hayden - but they've reported that A Esp is the strong bet after the Suzuki thing fell through for 2014. They also sound content with keeping Colin Edwards with them thanks to his (paraphrase) "belief in the team since day 1".

- LCR Honda are apparently looking to field a two bike team using another satellite Honda, but with the same kinda deal as NGM, so CRT ECU and other specs. They seem to be talking to Hayden very seriously at the moment.

So that sounds pretty cool. Will be interesting to see what happens with the ART shenanigans, as well as the proddy HRC bikes and rent-an-engine things going on.


Bring on Brno! Fucking love this season.

Oh and how about Alex Marquez in 2nd for Moto3? Sheeeit I wonder what awaits him in his future.

Edit: Also it seems that Moto2 rider Jordi Torres has a handshake agreement with Sito Pons to nick Pol Espargaro's seat next year. That doesn't mean a whole lot to me though... though it does seem to be the pick of the bunch with Esp and Rabat sitting on them as it stands.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Been an awesome season. Where are the Bautista knockers? He's going alright...and did well to keep the thing upright after the last lap tangle I reckon.

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/latest+videos

[Oscar]

Where are the Bautista knockers?

Tell you what, you transfer your adoration from CS to Alvaro and we'll take it from there.
I've met him, he's cute - you'd make a lovely couple...:killingme

[Crasherfromwayback]

Tell you what, you transfer your adoration from CS to Alvaro and we'll take it from there.
I've met him, he's cute - you'd make a lovely couple...:killingme

Nah I'm too busy admiring Stoners replacement mate!

[roogazza]

Nah I'm too busy admiring Stoners replacement mate!

I can see you in the pits wearing just a raincoat and carrying a big bag of lollies ! :eek5:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I can see you in the pits wearing just a raincoat and carrying a big bag of lollies ! :eek5:

Good thinking! Can I borrow yours?

[carbonhed]

It's a tragedy Stoner's not there racing against Marquez. Be great to see them both drifting it through the corners. Has Marquez done a lot of dirt bike riding to get that comfortable with an out of shape GP bike?

[pritch]

Loved the action and the head games between Redding and Espagaro, it started in qualifying and then carried on in the race. Score one to Redding on both counts. Would like to see him do well, having a Kiwi crew chief and all.

Have no idea what's with #46. After qualifying Rossi was wearing the same expression he wore toward the end of his sojourn at Ducati. Briggs was not his usually ebullient self the night before the race either.

Way down the field until the latter stages of the race then suddenly Rossi's got a rocket up his arse circulating at the same pace as the race leaders. WTF?

Briggs posted that during the first half of the race he felt like stabbing himself in the eye with a screw driver. "During the second half I felt like I was on he edge of my seat watching a Rocky movie." Sure hope he has a better idea what happened than I do.

Lorenzo says the Yamaha needs new parts but he doesn't think he'll get them. If MM wins at Brno he may become mission impossible for the others.

At least we don't have to wait long to find out.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's a tragedy Stoner's not there racing against Marquez. Be great to see them both drifting it through the corners. Has Marquez done a lot of dirt bike riding to get that comfortable with an out of shape GP bike?

Surely is eh. He's an ex motocrosser that rides dirttrack as practice mate. So a very similar backround to Stoner as well.

[carbonhed]

Surely is eh. He's an ex motocrosser that rides dirttrack as practice mate. So a very similar backround to Stoner as well.

Didn't think it looked like a style derived from the GP nursery grades. He's even wilder thatn Stoner though isn't he? I thought treating a GP racer like that would be a guaranteed one way ticket to being wheeled off on a stretcher with your head under your arm :laugh: Mind you... he looks like he's half a heartbeat away from it fairly regularly and he did step off that bike at Mugello...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Didn't think it looked like a style derived from the GP nursery grades. He's even wilder thatn Stoner though isn't he? I thought treating a GP racer like that would be a guaranteed one way ticket to being wheeled off on a stretcher with your head under your arm :laugh: Mind you... he looks like he's half a heartbeat away from it fairly regularly and he did step off that bike at Mugello...

You certainly couldn't ride a 250 GP bike like that. I know this from experience! But yeah...the big boys can obviously be ridden a few diff ways...and it's great to see. But yeah...he's a fucking wildman for sure!

[pritch]

One possible answer to my question. Although it does raise other questions...
http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newstitle=MotoGP-Indy:-Extra-grip-slows-Rossi-for-opening-laps&newsid=10153

[Crasherfromwayback]

One possible answer to my question. Although it does raise other questions...
http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newstitle=MotoGP-Indy:-Extra-grip-slows-Rossi-for-opening-laps&newsid=10153

And if that was Stoner old Oscar and crew would be saying he's simply whinging and making excuses. Work that out.

[badlieutenant]

"I start to take Bradl and Bautista and it was a great battle, especially with Cal on the last lap. We were very close but after Cal come to me and say 'You're a bastard!' LOL :D

Poor old Casey got a hard time cause of his big ears I suspect.

[tail_end_charlie]

Didn't think it looked like a style derived from the GP nursery grades. He's even wilder thatn Stoner though isn't he? I thought treating a GP racer like that would be a guaranteed one way ticket to being wheeled off on a stretcher with your head under your arm :laugh: Mind you... he looks like he's half a heartbeat away from it fairly regularly and he did step off that bike at Mugello...


You certainly couldn't ride a 250 GP bike like that. I know this from experience! But yeah...the big boys can obviously be ridden a few diff ways...and it's great to see. But yeah...he's a fucking wildman for sure!

Did anyone else see some of the slow-mo of Yonny through some of the corners during practice or qualifying? MM was impressive during the race getting things loose, but Yonny had it turned damn near full lock but yet still in control. :shit: You could tell he liked his supermoto........

[badlieutenant]

I wonder if Cal is sorta referring to the same thing as rossi but the opposite way round ?
http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newstitle=MotoGP-Indy:-Bike-balance-error-costs-Crutchlow&newsid=10151

[Crasherfromwayback]

"Poor old Casey got a hard time cause of his big ears I suspect.

Stoner got a hard time because the haters were unable to gloss through the small stuff to be able to enjoy the big stuff. Their loss.

[Brian d marge]

Just as a side note , just spent some time today inside those Honda 250 engines ( sorry no photos as Im inside Hrc and they are anal about photos,, even in the cafe ! )

nice port work , lovely little thing ,,, sad its not as cheap as it could be ( to run)

NZ racing should follow this up as per Steveyb bike

Stephen

[McWild]

Did anyone else see some of the slow-mo of Yonny through some of the corners during practice or qualifying? MM was impressive during the race getting things loose, but Yonny had it turned damn near full lock but yet still in control. :shit: You could tell he liked his supermoto........

Best vid of it I could find was here: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13a8pg_derapata-hernandez-motogp-indianapolis-2013_auto?start=21

Awesome riding.

[roogazza]

286615
This ride seems very typical of Rossi in his later years. If things don't feel right to him he doesn't stick his neck out. But saying that he can quickly pass the almost aliens seemingly with ease when happy?

The future is MM, he's up a level now.(on everyone it seems).

[pritch]

I wonder if Cal is sorta referring to the same thing as rossi but the opposite way round ?
http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newstitle=MotoGP-Indy:-Bike-balance-error-costs-Crutchlow&newsid=10151

It all seems strange still. Lorenzo, Crutchlow and Rossi all lost grip, the effect was to slow two down and speed one up.
This is all beyond my comprehension. Then again, Rossi says he doesn't understand it either so I won't worry too much.

Unrelated metter. Last night the weather forecast was for a cloudy start to the day then sunshine. It was raining when I went to bed, it was raining when I awoke in the night. It was raining when I woke up this morning and it's pissing down now. Whatever we pay those bastards it's too much.

[roogazza]

It all seems strange still. Lorenzo, Crutchlow and Rossi all lost grip, the effect was to slow two down and speed one up.
This is all beyond my comprehension. Then again, Rossi says he doesn't understand it either so I won't worry too much.

Unrelated metter. Last night the weather forecast was for a cloudy start to the day then sunshine. It was raining when I went to bed, it was raining when I awoke in the night. It was raining when I woke up this morning and it's pissing down now. Whatever we pay those bastards it's too much.

Wierd huh ? and yet he wasn't willing to slide the Duc ???
The second paragraph I can relate to.I Haven't ridden for over 3 months , too cold for this old fella.
Mind you I'm ready to go, bike on a trickle charge, chain cleaned and sprayed, maybe this weekend ?

[Mental Trousers]

It all seems strange still. Lorenzo, Crutchlow and Rossi all lost grip, the effect was to slow two down and speed one up.
This is all beyond my comprehension. Then again, Rossi says he doesn't understand it either so I won't worry too much.

Too much grip at the back means they can't slide the rear to steer the thing, worse still is it always feels like the front is being pushed wide so the rider slows down further, entering the corner a lot slower than normally.

Seems strange but you can definitely have too much grip at the back but you can never have too much at the front.

[DidJit]

Speaking of sliding (http://www.racer.com/robin-miller-on-bike-racings-best-kept-secret/article/307858/) (but very much off-topic)...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Speaking of sliding (http://www.racer.com/robin-miller-on-bike-racings-best-kept-secret/article/307858/) (but very much off-topic)...

Very cool!

[Mental Trousers]

Speaking of sliding (http://www.racer.com/robin-miller-on-bike-racings-best-kept-secret/article/307858/) (but very much off-topic)...

Sweet. Great to see she's found a way to ride with both feet on the pegs. It usually ends up being faster in other forms of riding.

[badlieutenant]

Stoner got a hard time because the haters were unable to gloss through the small stuff to be able to enjoy the big stuff. Their loss.

Totally agree. Watching Casey twitch and slide that ducati behind Rossi at Laguna was amazing. And then the there was the incident :/ If they had left Casey alone so he could cool down about it, he might not have been so heavily publicized as complaining that it was a dangerous maneuver. One Marquez did to Rossi this year :D And instead the reports might have been about how bloody good the race was and that even tho Casey ran wide he still retained his position. Testament to Casey that he could make the Ducati perform so well (or was it a different bike to the next year ?)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Totally agree. Watching Casey twitch and slide that ducati behind Rossi at Laguna was amazing. ?)

The best/ballsiest pass I've ever seen in the time I've been watching was Stoner blasting round the outside over Lorenzo at Laguna over the blind hump/kink on the front straight at 260 odd kph. Balls of fucking steel. But yeah...shove a camera in a young kids face after he's just had an ass whipping will often get the result we did.

[badlieutenant]

Very cool!

135 M/hr with bales of hay and wire fence ! Couldnt fit her balls thru a indy car window is right :D

[badlieutenant]

Another aussie I would have liked to have seen stay is Garry Mcoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7arxrEPoBVI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gun-b9lxpP0

[Crasherfromwayback]

Another aussie I would have liked to have seen stay is Garry Mcoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7arxrEPoBVI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gun-b9lxpP0

Yeah he was great to watch.

[badlieutenant]

The best/ballsiest pass I've ever seen in the time I've been watching was Stoner blasting round the outside over Lorenzo at Laguna over the blind hump/kink on the front straight at 260 odd kph. Balls of fucking steel. But yeah...shove a camera in a young kids face after he's just had an ass whipping will often get the result we did.

this corner ? :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELwpShNQ2I4

[Drew]

this corner ? :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELwpShNQ2I4
There was a lot of hype about that move. I don't know what all the fuss is about. He had it lined up from the exit of the final turn, and was nearly back on his normal line by the crest of the hump.

[Crasherfromwayback]

There was a lot of hype about that move. I don't know what all the fuss is about. He had it lined up from the exit of the final turn, and was nearly back on his normal line by the crest of the hump.

Odd then that Lorenzo himself nearly shat his pants and thought Stoner was crazy...and even Kevin the Stoner hater raved about it at the time. But having been to Laguna...like anything mate...the TV does that place no justice. The crest is blind, more of a corner than you think...and the bikes get so light over the top of it that they break traction and try to spin up. There's also the small fact of a concrete wall on the outside of you if it all goes pear shaped. Trust me...huge set of nads to do that there. You notice even his own pit crew shaking their heads? THat's not such a good view of it either.

[Drew]

Odd then that Lorenzo himself nearly shat his pants and thought Stoner was crazy...and even Kevin the Stoner hater raved about it at the time. But having been to Laguna...like anything mate...the TV does that place no justice. The crest is blind, more of a corner than you think...and the bikes get so light over the top of it that they break traction and try to spin up. There's also the small fact of a concrete wall on the outside of you if it all goes pear shaped. Trust me...huge set of nads to do that there. You notice even his own pit crew shaking their heads? THat's not such a good view of it either.
Fair enough. You've been there and I haven't, after all.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fair enough. You've been there and I haven't, after all.

And by that I don't mean nah naaa na na naaah. I mean yeah...in person that corner and the corkscrew are well fucking scary!!! As in...no fucking way would I wanna pull out that move even in my keener days.

[badlieutenant]

in keeping with tonight's theme of awesome over takes and racing >>>>>>>>>http://vimeo.com/32756097
I dont know if there was much of a lesson for lorenzo, other than the race isnt over until its over. Good example of (to me at least) how similar in style lorenzo and rossi are (smooth)

[badlieutenant]

oh and not motogp (sadly for slight) but Kocinski and slight
1997 World Superbike Sentul - Last Lap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD5Sc2Ub7-Y

[tail_end_charlie]

Best vid of it I could find was here: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13a8pg_derapata-hernandez-motogp-indianapolis-2013_auto?start=21

Awesome riding.

Yep, that's the one I was talking about. Didn't look like it phased him at all. Mad skills with handling a loose bike.

[badlieutenant]

And by that I don't mean nah naaa na na naaah. I mean yeah...in person that corner and the corkscrew are well fucking scary!!! As in...no fucking way would I wanna pull out that move even in my keener days.

Just trying to figure out which corner ....http://motogpindy.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/cota-layout.jpg
is it t17 ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just trying to figure out which corner ....http://motogpindy.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/cota-layout.jpg
is it t17 ?

Nah that's not how the track actually is. The front straight has a rather large hump with a kink in it. Hang on...that's Indy mate not Laguna Seca.

[badlieutenant]

Nah that's not how the track actually is. The front straight has a rather large hump with a kink in it. Hang on...that's Indy mate not Laguna Seca.

oops google fu fail ("cross section laguna seca" didnt review, hardcase tho reviewed vid and I was sure it was t17 :D

[badlieutenant]

this might be better, but not cross sectional :/
http://www.redbull.com/en/motorsports/motogp/tracks/1331575791203/mazda-raceway-laguna-seca

turn 1 :D

[Mental Trousers]

Just trying to figure out which corner ....http://motogpindy.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/cota-layout.jpg
is it t17 ?

Nah that's not how the track actually is. The front straight has a rather large hump with a kink in it. Hang on...that's Indy mate not Laguna Seca.

That's COTA in Austin, Texas.

[Mental Trousers]

The best/ballsiest pass I've ever seen in the time I've been watching was Stoner blasting round the outside over Lorenzo at Laguna over the blind hump/kink on the front straight at 260 odd kph. Balls of fucking steel.

When a world champion goes WTF?!?! it's a fucken awesome pass.

[actungbaby]

Some interesting comment from David Emmett ("Kropotkin") on advrider's MotoGP thread, concerning C Stoner's abilities as a test rider.

Q: How do you calculate the "rider with the best feeling for a motorcycle in the world" formula?

Emmett: You talk to a bunch of crew chiefs and listen to what they have to say.

Everyone I have spoken to says his feel was unparalleled. They all have outstanding feel, the best have amazing feel, but Stoner is said to have been the most sensitive to what a bike was doing.

Of course it was thats what senna had thats what spencer had thats why they can ride that bit

quicker its all feel what machine is doing

[actungbaby]

Been an awesome season. Where are the Bautista knockers? He's going alright...and did well to keep the thing upright after the last lap tangle I reckon.

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/latest+videos

He was good on the 2 stroke 250s gave mr big hair do good run didnt he pity he isitnt around

Just for his cool personilty marco.

Seems the showa suspension held him back a tad he goes well at philip island.

Feck wanted dani to win this year not looking good think just lacks that killer streak.

[BMWST?]

about to have moto 2 replayed on Sommet sports,motogp later,just missed moto 3

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's COTA in Austin, Texas.

Sorry yeah. That is actually the track I was meaning but got all confused like!

[DidJit]

Silly season update (http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2013/08/20/silly_season_update_forward_s_privateer_.html)...

[Bender]

Feck wanted dani to win this year not looking good think just lacks that killer streak.

Motorsport history is littered with people who were great riders/drivers, but who never got to the very top for a variety of reasons including luck. One of the best examples is our own Chris Amon, who had the worst luck ever. If you read about some of the things that broke when he was comfortably leading races - it must have made the guy cry tears of frustration.

Sir Stirling Moss is another - one of the most famous drivers in history, yet never won a driver's WC.

I think Dani is one of those - he's had the title in his grasp a couple of times, only to be injured (collarbone, mostly) and miss races. Now he's missed the opportunity - there's a youngster on the patch that no-one is going to beat. Rossi has already branded Marquez possibly the greatest motorcycle rider of all time. Honda's Mr Nakamoto must be chuckling to himself - how are Yamaha going to counter the package of the fastest bike and a rider who is in a league of his own. (Another Mick Doohan? I reckon so).

(And, scarily, they reckon his younger brother is even faster).

Then, there's the Espargaro brothers. Aleix is wicked fast on the CRT bike and Pol makes the move to Yamaha next season.


Next season is going to be amazing. There are some really exciting new riders coming through. And a huge increase in prototypes with Yamaha leasing engines and all the 2013 prototypes - that's potentially four works bikes, four satellite bikes and five engines in CRT-type frames. Honda is supposed to be bringing out five of its new production racers. Ducati is also supposed to be offering this year's prototypes as well (all the leased 2013 prototypes would carry the spec ECUs). Could be interesting.

[roogazza]

What about this to set the tongues wagging ?
Seems to be all about money, you wouldn't even get me thinking about 'Indy', much less going there.
Lots of comments on this one.

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2013/08/19/2014_motogp_calendar_brazil_in_laguna_ou.html

[steveyb]

If Laguna is kept, Moto2 and Moto3 must go there.
As far as I can recall, they did not go there after California changed the 2-stroke laws (which still allow 2-stroke racebikes by the way) so that 2-strokes can no longer be licenced for road use there (as I understand it).
So the 125's and 250's didn't go.
But now they are all 4-strokes there seems to be no real reason outside of cost and logistics for them to not be there.
I believe that there are too many races in Spain, but hell, even though there is no economy or jobs left in Spain, the spectators still go to races and the circuits still pay the Dorna bills.
But outside of the corkscrew I personally think that Laguna is a dinosaur that offers no real benefit to the series. But Indy is about the same. What about Miller? Not enough facilities or spectators I expect.
Make wonderfull TV pictures though.

[Tony.OK]

If Laguna is kept, Moto2 and Moto3 must go there.
As far as I can recall, they did not go there after California changed the 2-stroke laws (which still allow 2-stroke racebikes by the way) so that 2-strokes can no longer be licenced for road use there (as I understand it).
So the 125's and 250's didn't go.
But now they are all 4-strokes there seems to be no real reason outside of cost and logistics for them to not be there.
I believe that there are too many races in Spain, but hell, even though there is no economy or jobs left in Spain, the spectators still go to races and the circuits still pay the Dorna bills.
But outside of the corkscrew I personally think that Laguna is a dinosaur that offers no real benefit to the series. But Indy is about the same. What about Miller? Not enough facilities or spectators I expect.
Make wonderfull TV pictures though.

I read somewhere a while back that the AMA organisers (or track owners) didn't want all the GP classes as they have their classes there as support races and time is too tight.
Might be different now.

[steveyb]

That may be what they say, but I think it is a cover-up for the state laws.
But in anycase, "We want to run our own classes, not your little bikes"
should mean, "We therefore cannot run a MotoGP event at your little circuit".
Most countries can fill the programme with national classes, why should Laguna get away with it?

[Crasherfromwayback]

, why should Laguna get away with it?

Prob shouldn't. But it's the best GP I've ever been to! Spewing if they drop it before I have a chance to go back.

[Mushu]

Why this huge conspiracy theory about why moto2 and moto3 can't run at laguna, space looked to be an issue to me.
It would be good to see them there maybe they can make some improvements in future years to provide the extra room for the other classes but for now I enjoy watching the racing at laguna, one of the favorites for me (of the courses they're currently using anyway) probably because it's the most familiar course to me, the result of thousands of laps of its digital counterpart on Gran Turismo.

[Mental Trousers]

I always thought it was space in the paddock that was an issue. The National rounds running there plus the MotoGP teams and there's no room for anything else.

Could be wrong though.

[actungbaby]

Motorsport history is littered with people who were great riders/drivers, but who never got to the very top for a variety of reasons including luck. One of the best examples is our own Chris Amon, who had the worst luck ever. If you read about some of the things that broke when he was comfortably leading races - it must have made the guy cry tears of frustration.

Sir Stirling Moss is another - one of the most famous drivers in history, yet never won a driver's WC.

Yep amazing man have you seen the racing legends programs very intresting
I think Dani is one of those - he's had the title in his grasp a couple of times, only to be injured

Yep dani amazing esp since he hasint got weight to trow around either 51 kg gezz he half my weight nearly . last year really impresed me . i surpose steped up after cassey was injured and hrc through

there full support behind him . he wa sin the zone . even crashed at philip island liked that new

vigour . i like him cause not dude that likes the lime light , and you go think without him as rival

The world chamipship whouldint be such prize all guys must feel that come down to races enjoyed are the close battles .


(collarbone, mostly) and miss races. Now he's missed the opportunity - there's a youngster on the patch that no-one is going to beat. Rossi has already branded Marquez possibly the greatest motorcycle rider of all time. Honda's Mr Nakamoto must be chuckling to himself - how are Yamaha going to counter the package of the fastest bike and a rider who is in a league of his own. (Another Mick Doohan? I reckon so).

(And, scarily, they reckon his younger brother is even faster).

I know that is scary that and Espargaro brothers he real talent too isint he on crt

Then, there's the Espargaro brothers. Aleix is wicked fast on the CRT bike and Pol makes the move to Yamaha next season.


Next season is going to be amazing. There are some really exciting new riders coming through. And a huge increase in prototypes with Yamaha leasing engines and all the 2013 prototypes - that's potentially four works bikes, four satellite bikes and five engines in CRT-type frames. Honda is supposed to be bringing out five of its new production racers. Ducati is also supposed to be offering this year's prototypes as well (all the leased 2013 prototypes would carry the spec ECUs). Could be interesting.

going be good allright

[pritch]

There is still a lot of interest in this season.. The jumbos have landed and the circus has reached Brno, Friday night it all starts again.

I don't know why I bother but...
Lorenzo
MM
Rossi

[Crasherfromwayback]

There is still a lot of interest in this season.. The jumbos have landed and the circus has reached Brno, Friday night it all starts again.

I don't know why I bother but...
Lorenzo
MM
Rossi

Yeah I think Lorenzo will go well there. But I still think MM is on a hard to stop roll. So...

MM

Lorenzo

Pedro

Rossi

Bautista

[pritch]

Crutchlow has got the new gas tank now so can be quick from the start. If Bautista and Bradl can get a into g it could get a bit crowded toward the front.
- I hope :whistle:

[BMWST?]

MM dani Jlo,Rossi CC,Bradl Bautista

[Crasherfromwayback]

Am I the only one that's got the trifecta so far this season? :headbang:

[Drew]

Am I the only one that's got the trifecta so far this season? :headbang:I thought I picked one earlier in the season. But that might have been just talking to Geoff before watching a race...I'm shocking for not remembering what my wife sends me to the shop to get, let alone something talked about two months ago.

[Drew]

the result of thousands of laps of its digital counterpart on Gran Turismo.You should try it playing 'Forza'. Much more realistic.

[roogazza]

Am I the only one that's got the trifecta so far this season? :headbang:

I can't remember, Brno favour Yamahas or Hondas ??
I'm hoping Yamahas so a bit of a fight happens with MM.

ps Pritch, Crutchlow had the new tank at Indy but wasn't sure he liked it ????
Not a big fan of him myself, I'd rate a few as good as him Dovi for eg.

[Geeen]

Speaking of sliding (http://www.racer.com/robin-miller-on-bike-racings-best-kept-secret/article/307858/) (but very much off-topic)...


http://youtu.be/UAFXWUr-sec

Just for you sideways fans.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just for you sideways fans.

Awesome to watch! Great to see her not let herself get bullied around. Man...those 450's must have to get rebuilt all the time working that hard.

[manxkiwi]

Am I the only one that's got the trifecta so far this season? :headbang:

No. I got the same as you last week! Also got 4th. Still not enough in the work championship. Another guy got the top 5 and pole!! Took $30 for a two week rollover. 74 points & I thought it was mine, but no, bugger. It is a lottery though, it's the same 5, 6 or 7 guys in a different order. Get one wrong and go from hero to zero. Keeps it interesting though eh?

I'm thinking: MM, DP, VR, JL & CC this weekend. That Honda gearbox certainly helps that wee bit.

The thing now is, who's going to pick MMs first non win? Curiouser & curiouser.

[Mushu]

You should try it playing 'Forza'. Much more realistic.

Xbox is gay, and GT6 comes out in a couple of months

For my money
MM
Rossi
Lorenzo
Pedro
CC

If Rossi can run like he did towards the end of the last round I think he can get to the front but I don't think he can get past MM

[Crasherfromwayback]

No. I got the same as you last week! Also got 4th. .

Good work. You win!!:headbang:

[jasonu]

Prob shouldn't. But it's the best GP I've ever been to! Spewing if they drop it before I have a chance to go back.

Agreed. LS has in recient times produced some great racing moments.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Agreed. LS has in recient times produced some great racing moments.

Plus just the layout of the place is so cool to watch racing at. So many great vantage points. And you can get so close to the action. And the silicon tits everywhere...and it NEVER rains...

[Mental Trousers]

... And you can get so close to the action. And the silicon tits everywhere...

That's actually a negative mate.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's actually a negative mate.

Yeah bad whiplash.

[roogazza]

286701

I hope the weather gods provide more of this at Brno.
No seamless box for the Yamaha yet.

286702
But where was valentino first 15 laps at Indy ?

[tail_end_charlie]

My picks:

JL pole

JL
MM
DP
CC
VR

[Crasherfromwayback]

So when you don't have the factory parts...it's not fair...yet when you do...they're no good right?

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Aug/130823-351.htm

Be careful what you wish for...

And is the the end for this chap?

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2013/Spies+undergoes+surgery+on+both+shoulders

[merv]

Yeah whinge whinge - typical Pom.

[roogazza]

So when you don't have the factory parts...it's not fair...yet when you do...they're no good right?

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Aug/130823-351.htm

Be careful what you wish for...

And is the the end for this chap?

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2013/Spies+undergoes+surgery+on+both+shoulders

Poor old Spies , just seems to be going from bad to worse. :bye:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Poor old Spies , just seems to be going from bad to worse. :bye:

Why the fuck he left Yamaha for that pile of shit I'll never know.

[pritch]

Why the fuck he left Yamaha for that pile of shit I'll never know.

Not sure he had a lot of say about leaving Yamaha. Still, if it wasn't for bad luck the poor bugger would have no luck at all.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not sure he had a lot of say about leaving Yamaha. Still, if it wasn't for bad luck the poor bugger would have no luck at all.

I could be wrong (hardly the first time)...but I'm pretty sure it was he that told Yamaha at Laguna last year? he was leaving them.

[Mental Trousers]

I could be wrong (hardly the first time)...but I'm pretty sure it was he that told Yamaha at Laguna last year? he was leaving them.

After he was told by one of the Yamaha management that they didn't believe he was giving 100% while he was suffering from that food poisoning or whatever.


"I had food poisoning at Mugello," Spies wrote. "Bad food poisoning. I shouldn't even have started the race. I got sick in my helmet, and afterward, I was dry-heaving and shaking uncontrollably.

"Yamaha stayed in Italy and tested the next day, but I didn't ride. I couldn't ride. I couldn't move. I couldn't do anything. A senior Yamaha employee--that's as specific as I'm going to get-said to me: 'We've invested a lot of money in you. Don't come to Laguna Seca if you aren't 100 percent.'

"Then, he added, 'We've lost confidence in you.'

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jan/13010311.htm

Good enough reason to tell anyone to get fucked if you ask me.

[denill]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jan/13010311.htm

Good enough reason to tell anyone to get fucked if you ask me.

That link really says it all. Anyone know who the Yamaha fwit was?

[Crasherfromwayback]

After he was told by one of the Yamaha management that they didn't believe he was giving 100% while he was suffering from that food poisoning or whatever.



http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jan/13010311.htm

Good enough reason to tell anyone to get fucked if you ask me.

Maybe so. But cutting off your nose to spite your face? Better to have sucked it up and proven the flea wrong and stayed on a decent bike. As it is...he's prob consigned to the history books now.

[Mental Trousers]

You can't stay with a team that doesn't have confidence in you. They lack faith in their rider, the rider lacks faith in himself.

A rider who lacks confidence because his team aren't backing him up is never going to get anywhere no matter what bike he's on.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You can't stay with a team that doesn't have confidence in you. They lack faith in their rider, the rider lacks faith in himself.

A rider who lacks confidence because his team aren't backing him up is never going to get anywhere no matter what bike he's on.

Yeah but it wasn't the team that had no confidence in him though mate. Just some suit high up within Yamaha no? And how much confidence do you think the Ducati has given him?

[carbonhed]

So when you don't have the factory parts...it's not fair...yet when you do...they're no good right?

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Aug/130823-351.htm

Be careful what you wish for...


Yeah and nobody is more amused at the situation than Crutchlow.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah and nobody is more amused at the situation than Crutchlow.

Think that's the diff between the best (Crutchlow) and the very best of the best (MM, Lorenzo, Pedro, Rossi). They learn to ride around the problem and cope no matter what. Like Stoner on the Ducati. They must rue the day they made him cry.

[Mental Trousers]

Yeah but it wasn't the team that had no confidence in him though mate. Just some suit high up within Yamaha no? And how much confidence do you think the Ducati has given him?

Yeah true, it was Yamaha rather than the race team.

He hasn't recovered his confidence at all from mid-way through last season, especially as he hasn't been fit except for a very short period at Indianapolis. He hasn't really been able to race the thing yet so who knows if the Ducati has had any affect on him.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He hasn't really been able to race the thing yet so who knows if the Ducati has had any affect on him.

True. But I bet he's ridden it enough to know it was a big mistake!

[denill]

Why the fuck he left Yamaha for that pile of shit I'll never know.

Have you forgotten all the stupid shit things that happened to him-but not JL?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Have you forgotten all the stupid shit things that happened to him-but not JL?

Nup. But that was a combo of plain bad luck and shoddy teamwork by his crew I'd say.

[Mental Trousers]

True. But I bet he's ridden it enough to know it was a big mistake!

Yep.

I'm guessing that everyone that's there now, Dovi, Spies, Iannone and Hayden and next year Crutchlow are all betting that Audi are going to improve it, and Audi will. But it's not something that happens overnight.

They've totally changed the management and structure of the team and it's all set up to test and make incremental improvements through out the season. Any big changes to the chassis/engine etc will come, but they need to figure out what to change first. So far they've worked on chassis stiffness and that hasn't made significant improvements so they'll move onto something else.

[carbonhed]

Crutchlow tops FP3. Lots of riders really close. Could be a cracking race. Lorenzo has to put Marquez back in his box... rather him than me :laugh:

[BMWST?]

Crutchlow tops FP3. Lots of riders really close. Could be a cracking race. Lorenzo has to put Marquez back in his box... rather him than me :laugh:

Dont forget who won and how he won last year

Sent from my ST27a using Tapatalk 2

[carbonhed]

Dont forget who won and how he won last year

Sent from my ST27a using Tapatalk 2

Very true. Pedrosa and Lorenzo have to put Marquez back in his box. Could be epic.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yep.

.

No way Ducati will get a podium next year unless most of the front runners fall down.

[carbonhed]

Brilliant lap by Crutclow! Bautista's a cunning little sod getting a tow from Marquez and going faster :(

Smith less than half a second from pole dicks Rossi... the planet wobbles on it's axis.

[BMWST?]

couldnt figure out why MM didnt do another quick lap lap, he sat up at least twice.

[pritch]

So Crutchlow takes pole in a new record time with a gas tank and seat he doesn't like. Imagine how fast he'd go if he had bits he couldn't complain about.

A seriously odd looking grid. I liked Lorenzo's comment when asked what he thought about Bautista being ahead of him on the grid.
His answer was to the effect, I'd rather have him in front of me than behind me.

[BMWST?]

So Crutchlow takes pole in a new record time with a gas tank and seat he doesn't like. Imagine how fast he'd go if he had bits he couldn't complain about.

A seriously odd looking grid. I liked Lorenzo's comment when asked what he thought about Bautista being ahead of him on the grid.
His answer was to the effect, I'd rather have him in front of me than behind me.


he wont like it if AB is in front of him at the end of the race

[BMWST?]

Look at Smith anyone feeling Nervous??

bwin GRAND PRIX CESKÉ REPUBLIKYMotoGP Qualifying Nr. 2 Classification 2013



Brno, Saturday, August 24, 2013


Pos.
Num.
Rider
Nation
Team
Bike
Km/h
Time
Gap 1st


1
35
Cal CRUTCHLOW (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Cal+Crutchlow)
GBR
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
307.1
1'55.527



2
19
Alvaro BAUTISTA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Alvaro+Bautista)
SPA
GO&FUN Honda Gresini
Honda
311.7
1'55.754
0.227 / 0.227


3
93
Marc MARQUEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Marc+Marquez)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
313.6
1'55.863
0.336 / 0.109


4
26
Dani PEDROSA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Dani+Pedrosa)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
314.8
1'55.868
0.341 / 0.005


5
99
Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo)
SPA
Yamaha Factory Racing
Yamaha
309.4
1'55.949
0.422 / 0.081


6
38
Bradley SMITH (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Bradley+Smith)
GBR
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
308.8
1'56.014
0.487 / 0.065


7
46
Valentino ROSSI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Valentino+Rossi)
ITA
Yamaha Factory Racing
Yamaha
307.9
1'56.186
0.659 / 0.172


8
6
Stefan BRADL (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Stefan+Bradl)
GER
LCR Honda MotoGP
Honda
312.4
1'56.477
0.950 / 0.291


9
4
Andrea DOVIZIOSO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Dovizioso)
ITA
Ducati Team
Ducati
307.0
1'56.825
1.298 / 0.348


10
69
Nicky HAYDEN (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Nicky+Hayden)
USA
Ducati Team
Ducati
308.4
1'56.979
1.452 / 0.154


11
29
Andrea IANNONE (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Iannone)
ITA
Energy T.I. Pramac Racing
Ducati
307.6
1'57.455
1.928 / 0.476


12
5
Colin EDWARDS (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Colin+Edwards)
USA
NGM Mobile Forward Racing
FTR Kawasaki
296.0
1'58.392
2.865 / 0.937


Weather Conditions:

| Track Condition: Dry| Air: 21º|Humidity: 56%| Ground: 30ºRecords:



Fastest Lap:
Lap: 6
Cal CRUTCHLOW (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Cal+Crutchlow)
1'55.527
168.3 Km/h


Circuit Record Lap:
2012
Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo)
1'56.274
167.2 Km/h


Best Lap:
2013
Cal CRUTCHLOW (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Cal+Crutchlow)
1'55.527
168.3 Km/h

[onearmedbandit]

So Crutchlow takes pole in a new record time with a gas tank and seat he doesn't like. Imagine how fast he'd go if he had bits he couldn't complain about.



He hasn't complained that it's made him slower per se, rather that he can now foot it with the top runners at the start of the race (obviously at this stage of the race it has made him quicker) but towards the end where he normally picks up the pace with the old tank he can't do so with the new tank.

[roogazza]

It's just qualifying fellas, sit down for a minute,the race is tonight !

[Crasherfromwayback]

any one feeling a little nervous?


]

Yep. Rossi.

[Kornholio]

Gonna be a mint race, Rossi does well here too... Probably one of my favourite tracks(Have SBK on PS3 and hoon around it quite a bit)

Onya Crutchlow for pole too :first:

[onearmedbandit]

Yep. Rossi.

Yes, with his strong history of qualifying well... :msn-wink:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yes, with his strong history of qualifying well... :msn-wink:

Weird eh. Back in the day he was always there or thereabouts. Maybe he just enjoys carving people up on the way through!

[onearmedbandit]

Weird eh. Back in the day he was always there or thereabouts. Maybe he just enjoys carving people up on the way through!

Nah he's just an old dog now still trying to fight with the puppies.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nah he's just an old dog now still trying to fight with the puppies.

Should be an interesting race as he always goes pretty well at Brno.

[BMWST?]

Nah he's just an old dog now still trying to fight with the puppies.
this
he has never had to deal with two or three guys who are just as fast or faster

[Crasherfromwayback]

this
he has never had to deal with two or three guys who are just as fast or faster

Nah. He's been dealing with it from the time Lorenzo and Stoner turned up mate.

[BMWST?]

Nah. He's been dealing with it from the time Lorenzo and Stoner turned up mate.


he hasnt been dealing with it very well lately then.The only thing thats changed is the tyres ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

he hasnt been dealing with it very well lately then.

Amazing what a couple of years on a Ducati can do for you!

[BMWST?]

Sorry about the table guys I dont know why it doest work on my phone,laptop is ok!?

sent from the tag

[Mental Trousers]

Sorry about the table guys I dont know why it doest work on my phone,laptop is ok!?

sent from the tag

It'll be the browser on your phone. Unforunately full cross-browser compatibility is extremely difficult to achieve.

[BMWST?]

It'll be the browser on your phone. Unforunately full cross-browser compatibility is extremely difficult to achieve.
tapatalk havent tried looking at it with chrome,which is on the laptop
Edit views fine in chrome

[pritch]

During the coverage of qualifying the commentators read out the statistics for each of the main riders: race wins v poles.
Most of them have similar numbers of wins and poles but Rossi has something like double the number of wins to poles. This caused the commentators to believe that Rossi has never been the greatest qualifier.

[actungbaby]

There is still a lot of interest in this season.. The jumbos have landed and the circus has reached Brno, Friday night it all starts again.

I don't know why I bother but...
Lorenzo
MM
Rossi

yes nah

Predrosa
mm
lorenzo

[Crasherfromwayback]

yes nah

Predrosa
mm
lorenzo

THat's how they just finished up in moring warmup.

[steveyb]

If they were on 250's it would have been perfect!!!

[ecko_nzed]

They had no answer for him!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah I think Lorenzo will go well there. But I still think MM is on a hard to stop roll. So...

MM

Lorenzo

Pedro

Rossi

Bautista

Fuck that was close.

[roogazza]

During the coverage of qualifying the commentators read out the statistics for each of the main riders: race wins v poles.
Most of them have similar numbers of wins and poles but Rossi has something like double the number of wins to poles. This caused the commentators to believe that Rossi has never been the greatest qualifier.
He has proved it again pritch, from a terrible 9th in Qual. He races far better, although not as fast as the other top three huh ?
To finish where he did although 20secs off is still great against twenty year olds or aliens as some call them.
Haven't seen the race yet but I can imagine the pom commentors were wetting their pants after Qual . :crazy:

[Crasherfromwayback]

To finish where he did although 20secs off is still great against twenty year olds or aliens as some call them.


I would call it quite a hiding sorry.

[pritch]

I would call it quite a hiding sorry.

Sadly I think perhaps he should borrow Biaggi's book of excuses, although it's possible he already has.

Currently I'm using the iPad to watch Moto3 on TV but when that's over I might trawl through Twitter to seek enlightenment.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sadly I think perhaps he should borrow Biaggi's book of excuses, although it's possible he already has.

.

It's a little sad to see. But like anything, they goal posts are always being moved.

[roogazza]

It's a little sad to see. But like anything, they goal posts are always being moved.
Yeah I guess it is, but hey it happens.
Maybe not great to be 20 sec off the winner but still good No ?
ps sorry 10 secs ! even better.
I wouldn't expect either Pedro or Horhay to be in front of MM now, looks like he can just out fight them. His bike control is superb.(always has been).
Would Stoner be expected to cope with him either, in a scrap he just wants to be in front and win ? How do you race a guy like that ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah I guess it is, but hey it happens.
Maybe not great to be 20 sec off the winner but still good No ?

I wouldn't expect either Pedro or Horhay to be in front of MM now, looks like he can just out fight them. His bike control is superb.(always has been).
Would Stoner be expected to cope with him either, in a scrap he just wants to be in front and win ? How do you race a guy like that ?

Mate...he's still a God. Just one a lil past his prime. And I don't know that he has ever been quite as fast as the new crew. Stats show not.

[Oscar]

Mate...he's still a God. Just one a lil past his prime. And I don't know that he has ever been quite as fast as the new crew. Stats show not.

Do you think any of this new crop could maintain a 10 second lead after a penalty (or even figure out that they had one, based on what was on their board)?
For most of his career I don't think Vale had to ride at 10/10ths on a regular basis.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Do you think any of this new crop could maintain a 10 second lead after a penalty (or even figure out that they had one, based on what was on their board)?
For most of his career I don't think Vale had to ride at 10/10ths on a regular basis.

Dunno. May find out one day. And as I've said before...he prob didn't have to ride 10/10ths to beat up on the Gibernau's of the world. Was a very diff story once Stoner and Lorenzo turned up. Now MM as well. Are we goona blame his age...or the tyres or what Oscar? Maybe it's time to finally admit that there are actually people out there that are simply faster that he is? Actually nah...that's not your style!

[Oscar]

Dunno. May find out one day. And as I've said before...he prob didn't have to ride 10/10ths to beat up on the Gibernau's of the world. Was a very diff story once Stoner and Lorenzo turned up. Now MM as well. Are we goona blame his age...or the tyres or what Oscar? Maybe it's time to finally admit that there are actually people out there that are simply faster that he is? Actually nah...that's not your style!

Still smarting from saying he'd never win another race?
Lorenzo (last turn at Barcelona) and Stoner (brake checked at LS) both took turns at being his bitch...

Meantime, you're agreeing with my post - you can't compare a 37 year old Vale with a 23 year old MM.

[roogazza]

Mate...he's still a God. Just one a lil past his prime. And I don't know that he has ever been quite as fast as the new crew. Stats show not.

I see he's only 26 points off Horhay now, so a bit of a hiccup and some more 3rds and fourths ???????
The 3 Amigos is a tuff ask !
But I still think Crutchless is either doin good matching them every now and then,or on his arse. He'll finish the year as maybe 5th !

[Crasherfromwayback]

Still smarting from saying he'd never win another race?
Lorenzo (last turn at Barcelona) and Stoner (brake checked at LS) both took turns at being his bitch...

Meantime, you're agreeing with my post - you can't compare a 37 year old Vale with a 23 year old MM.

Bet ya you can't show me anywhere I said that. Another title sure. Think your love for him surpasses mine for Stoner Old Boy. You're getting a bit worked up there! Couldn't comapre a younger one to Stoner either. You could just never admit it.

[Oscar]

Bet ya you can't show me anywhere I said that. Another title sure. Think your love for him surpasses mine for Stoner Old Boy. You're getting a bit worked up there! Couldn't comapre a younger one to Stoner either. You could just never admit it.

The only thing that I lurv here is the fishing.
Any ole stinky bait, and WHAM!
I wish the snapper bit like you...

[Crasherfromwayback]

The only thing that I lurv here is the fishing.
Any ole stinky bait, and WHAM!
I wish the snapper bit like you...

I could say the same. But it's a bit tired. Like Rossi!

[pritch]

Both Lorenzo and Rossi say that the Yamaha is not currently able to compete on equal terms with the Honda. Parhaps Yamaha are missing Masao Furusawa?

If that's not bad enough, Yamaha are already in engine trouble and the Honda riders are only on their third engine, two fresh ones to go.

Unless something unforseen happens it's hard to see Lorenzo defending his title, it's also hard to see Pedro regularly beating MM so it would seem we are going to see the record books rewritten.

I should have picked MM in my fantasy league team; he wouldn't have stood a chance. :whistle:

As for Rossi riding ten tenths: back in his Honda days he regularly used to ride around in second and then about three laps from the finish he would overtake the leader and disappear into the distance. To that point he had just been in cruise mode. There have been times when he has been at maximum effort, as in Qatar the time he was penalised for cleaning his grid position and had to start from the back.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Both Lorenzo and Rossi say that the Yamaha is not currently able to compete on equal terms with the Honda. back.

Funny that. I actually thought this weekend the Yamaha looked every bit as quick as the Honda in a straight line.

[badlieutenant]

After Rossi's terrible run with the ducati I would have thought it would pay for him to return to claim the throne on a honda. He might have to suk up a bit of pride but a wins a win. It would be interesting to swap MM, Rossi and their bikes. Too late for Rossi to make a come back (next year included) ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

After Rossi's terrible run with the ducati I would have thought it would pay for him to return to claim the throne on a honda. He might have to suk up a bit of pride but a wins a win. It would be interesting to swap MM, Rossi and their bikes. Too late for Rossi to make a come back (next year included) ?

Seeing as he can't actually beat his own team mate on the exact same bike...I don't think anything would be diff on a Honda mate.

[badlieutenant]

Seeing as he can't actually beat his own team mate on the exact same bike...I don't think anything would be diff on a Honda mate.
It just seemed to me that to win on the yamaha you were the shiz at set up. Which all of the current crop are. But with the honda they always have the pace (most tracks) so it might make it easier to get back at the front. Just wishful thinking on Rossis behalf more than anything. If everyone is equal in talent then any advantage should be sought. And MM has talent to spare............

[Crasherfromwayback]

. And MM has talent to spare............

Prob enough even to scare Stoner out of making a comeback...

[yod]

Prob enough even to scare Stoner out of making a comeback...

yeaaaah riiiight

:laugh:

Bet he'd love nothing more than to have a fang round PI against MM!!

it'd be the trailing circus that would scare him into not doing it!

[badlieutenant]

just watched the race. Season is not over but it kinda looks like it is :/ for MM not to win the championship it looks like its up to MM not to make any mistakes, just keep on having fun ... :)

[Crasherfromwayback]

yeaaaah riiiight

:laugh:

Bet he'd love nothing more than to have a fang round PI against MM!!

!

Nothing more I'd like to see that's for sure mate!

[pritch]

Funny that. I actually thought this weekend the Yamaha looked every bit as quick as the Honda in a straight line.

I think the problem is that the Honda makes each straight just a little bit longer, and each corner that much shorter.

[ICE180]

you CAN WATCH IT HERE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uI2Hud_19w

[merv]

I was concerned the mighty Hondas weren't just eating the Yamaha on the straights early on, but it looks like MM has a smart head on him or he rissen to what Nakamoto tell him because he clearly just looked after his tyres and didn't bother having a go until close to the end.

Then Pedrosa just steamed passed the Yamaha as well when he finally put the pass on, but it doesn't look to me that he could take it to MM.

As it was at best the Honda had on the Yamaha at this round was about 5km/hr http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2013/CZE/MotoGP/EventMaximumSpeed.pdf?v1_dcd9b215

[carbonhed]

I hope you're all writing Pedrosa off prematurely... for the championships sake. Don't think Lorenzo has the bike under him to win at the moment. He's given it absolutely everything these last two races and come up behind the Repsol boys both times... he's better than that.

Moto2 mega once more. Hope Redding can find the feeling again. Then there will be some fisticuffs.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think the problem is that the Honda makes each straight just a little bit longer, and each corner that much shorter.

Both Pedro and especially MM are picking the thing up really quickly out of the corners and getting on it hard a-la Stoner. Obviously works on the Honda.

[trev]

I'm not a racer like you guys but my impression was that the Hondas were just out braking the Yamahas - that was the telling difference.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Meantime, you're agreeing with my post - you can't compare a 37 year old Vale with a 23 year old MM.

Meantime...Rossi is actually only 34. A huge difference between that and 37 Oscar. And MM is only 20. But hey...don't let facts get in the way of a good story eh!:p

[Oscar]

Meantime...Rossi is actually only 34. A huge difference between that and 37 Oscar. And MM is only 20. But hey...don't let facts get in the way of a good story eh!:p

Still a 14 year age dif.
Compare a 20 year old Vale to a 20 year old MM.
Who has more titles?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Still a 14 year age dif.
Compare a 20 year old Vale to a 20 year old MM.
Who has more titles?

Lol. That old chestnut eh! Well I'd be very careful comparing your all time hero to MM mate. You may get egg on face. MM won his forst worldchampionship at an earlier age than Rossi. He would've won his second earlier too (in less attempts I may add) had it not been for some well shoddy marshalling at Sepang. He's currently tearing up the record books in his first year in Moto GP, and is quite likely to win it in his first year (another thing Rossi couldn't manage). Take your rose tinted specs off for once mate.

[Mental Trousers]

I'm not a racer like you guys but my impression was that the Hondas were just out braking the Yamahas - that was the telling difference.

Different riding styles.

Marquez goes in way late, brakes really hard, turns it then gets it upright fast.
Lorenzo is off the throttle and on the brakes early then off the brakes early and on the throttle way earlier to balance the bike through the corner

Pedrosa and Rossi are both kinda in between those two extremes. Crutchlow's style is much closer to Lorenzo these days.

The most interesting was Ben Spies. The few times he actually got the bike to work properly for him he was braking later and harder than anyone else, but still using insane lean angle and corner speed. Not sure how he managed that, but he only got the M1 to work properly for him a couple of times.

[Oscar]

Lol. That old chestnut eh! Well I'd be very careful comparing your all time hero to MM mate. You may get egg on face. MM won his forst worldchampionship at an earlier age than Rossi. He would've won his second earlier too (in less attempts I may add) had it not been for some well shoddy marshalling at Sepang. He's currently tearing up the record books in his first year in Moto GP, and is quite likely to win it in his first year (another thing Rossi couldn't manage). Take your rose tinted specs off for once mate.

FYI - My all time hero is Wayne Rainey.
As for MM's "forst" championship, I have no doubt that he has the potential to become a greater rider than VR.
There is simply no logic to comparing riders from different era's as the bikes, riding conditions and competition are constantly changing. There is only entertainment value - so go on, get a rag and wipe the spittle off yer monitor:laugh:

[roogazza]

Looks like Vale is happy to ride anything.

286897 ps There is talk 2014 might be his last year. This
year I thought 60 hours flying was getting too hard
but 3 months later I'm planning another.

[Oscar]

Looks like Vale is happy to ride anything.



The slut!
ATGATT seems to have taken a holiday, too.

[ac3_snow]

Compare a 20 year old Vale to a 20 year old MM.
Who has more titties?
hmm good question

286898286899

Note: Rossi is actually about 28 in that photo, but I don't want to let facts get in the way of the story right.

I reckon its spectacular watching Marquez do his thing, he seems to stalk his prey. Would be awesome to see Rossi up there challenging him, but realistically....

[Crasherfromwayback]

FYI - My all time hero is Wayne Rainey.
As for MM's "forst" championship, I have no doubt that he has the potential to become a greater rider than VR.
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If a typo is the best comback you've got...well...and for the record...mine is Mick Doohan.


Looks like Vale is happy to ride anything.

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He loves HD's mate. He owns a super cool XR750 after all. Must be a real bloke!

[Oscar]

If a typo is the best comback you've got...well...and for the record...mine is Mick Doohan.




I'm not wasting any of the good stuff the likes of you.
You bite too easily...:shifty:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm not wasting any of the good stuff the likes of you.
You bite too easily...:shifty:

On another note...you going to any GP's this year?

[Oscar]

On another note...you going to any GP's this year?

Malaysia & Oz.
We were gonna do an adventure ride up the jungle, but 4skins fell off his roof (back brace for a little while).

You?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Malaysia & Oz.
We were gonna do an adventure ride up the jungle, but 4skins fell off his roof (back brace for a little while).

You?

Bastard. Maybe Oz. But more than likely nothing till next year. Maybe Laguna.

[speights_bud]

I'm gonna chip in here coz i've been officially accepted as a race official at Phillip Island:wings:

Gonna go fill my pockets with carbon fibre pieces :shifty:

[badlieutenant]

I'm gonna chip in here coz i've been officially accepted as a race official at Phillip Island:wings:

Gonna go fill my pockets with carbon fibre pieces :shifty:

2 hours and no reply to this?? Just saying, everyone hates you a little bit, you bastard (good on ya:banana: :D)

[speights_bud]

Aint that the truth haha!

If anyone is interested in doing it next year it is open to anyone to apply, previous experience is preferred but not necessary. If you'd like a taste come marshal at the summer series :2thumbsup

[roogazza]

Yamahas biggest problem"The Joker" not the Honda ?
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I could have ? I should have?I might have? Snoooorrrre.
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And just for fun,while waiting for Silverstone !
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[Crasherfromwayback]

And just for fun,while waiting for Silverstone !


Darren Heenan I think his name is. He's a pretty hard charger.

[MIXONE]

Darren Heenan I think his name is. He's a pretty hard charger.

He's quite a character.Saw him get black flagged at Ruapuna a few years back.He stopped on the main straight and did a burnout!