MotoGP 2013

[Dave-]

2 things, shower of rain when I was gearing up for a ride, bugger it !
and, TV3 making a bid to show motogp !!!!! hope its fact ? Picked up that little gem off faceache last night.

Confirmed.

https://twitter.com/stsummerfield/status/330423763793506304

[Cleve]

Confirmed.

https://twitter.com/stsummerfield/status/330423763793506304

great news - but probably not the Ryder and Moody show...

[Reckless]

Bloody hell what a session

Just watched moto GP Q2. Jeepers was Crutchlow manhandling that bike before he fell off.
MM improved, Rossi down, Pedro down damn exciting :)

Gotta go do some work before I watch the main qualifying sessions later but Lorenzo spectacularly fast and smooth cant help but be impressed.

Whats with 40 euro for multi screen bastards, thought we had that in the bundle when we first paid the $99 ????
BTW with the new format where are the markers gone on the timeline??

[cmoore]

yeah I complained to motogp that i was forced to use the multi screen (without the extra bits) when i didn't have a multi screen pass...and it didn't have the timeline stuff we had before...they just said tuff...

[Kendog]

yeah I complained to motogp that i was forced to use the multi screen (without the extra bits) when i didn't have a multi screen pass...and it didn't have the timeline stuff we had before...they just said tuff...
Some of the sessions play in the multi screen player, some in the standard player. Very strange.
At least they have added the video quality setting to the multi screen player now.

[puddytat]

Poor mans Motogp at http://www.streamhunter.eu/motor-sports-live-streaming-video.html

Weathers looking pleasant & the moto3 boys are out warming up....

[Reckless]

Suzuki still coming back that would be good they where doing improving well when they left :)

http://www.paddockchatter.com/2013/05/davide-brivio-to-head-suzuki-motogp.html?spref=fb
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Oh shit as a crt team did I read that correctly???

[Brett]

How awesome is it watching those moto2 boys slide those bikes around...

[onearmedbandit]

Oh shit as a crt team did I read that correctly???


Thankfully not.

[Reckless]

Thankfully not.

To Busy to read it properly here's another on the Suzi with pics on my regular cycle world email

http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/05/01/2014-suzuki-motogp-prototypes-spied-again/?cmpid=enews050213&spPodID=020&spMailingID=5448408&spUserID=MjA0MDMxNDg0NjES1&spJobID=318383531&spReportId=MzE4MzgzNTMxS0

[ecko_nzed]

lorenzo looks pissed! :argue: can't blame him.

[McWild]

No matter what one's opinion of his character is, watching Marquez drift the Honda along the curb on a totally unconventional line with his elbow almost brushing the grass was fucking cool.

But yeah how similar is this. Prepare for handbags.

http://i.minus.com/ixCL1ZzPZG4z8.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_zkBhUuc8o

Interesting how there's now that extra little bit of run off in exactly the same place...

[Crasherfromwayback]

No matter what one's opinion of his character is, watching Marquez drift the Honda along the curb on a totally unconventional line with his elbow almost brushing the grass was fucking cool.

But yeah how similar is this. Prepare for handbags.

...

Yeah. MM so reminds me of Stoner that I don't even miss him! (Sorry Casey).

I pissed myself at the commentators when they were wanking on about how MM was overly aggressive there...and may be penalised under the new points off system. FFS. Years ago, when Rossi did a far worse move on Sete Gibernau...he was hailed as a hero!

Lorenzo should've shut the door knowing full well MM was coming. And once he saw he was there...should've shut the thing down and come back up the inside of MM as he was obviously gonna run way deep. Sorry Lorenzo...I'm a huge fan...but epic fail by you. No one else to blame.

[pritch]

I feel sorry for the dwarf, he wins the race but nobody notices. All the chatter is MM and J L.

At least race direction were consistent.

Bring on LeMans.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I feel sorry for the dwarf, he wins the race but nobody notices. All the chatter is MM and J L.

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Yeah awesome race by him, but hardly surprising the chat's about *that pass*.

[DidJit]

Loved the few times there was footage of Pedrosa — he’s just so... fast!

[denill]

Yeah. MM so reminds me of Stoner that I don't even miss him! (Sorry Casey).

I found myself wishing that the #27 was in that mix. That would have taken it from 'great' to 'fantastic'. :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Loved the few times there was footage of Pedrosa — he’s just so... fast!

He was looking really good! Be fucking awesome if all three of them are this close all season eh! Where's that chap from earlier in this thread that was saying Rossi would waste Lorenzo *again*? It would seem to me that the goal posts have moved a tad since Rossi was *the man*. No matter how good you are...it's only ever a matter of time till someone better comes along.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I found myself wishing that the #27 was in that mix. That would have taken it from 'great' to 'fantastic'. :laugh:

Yeah that would be awesome, and I'm spewing he left last year instead of end of this year. They both ride the Honda the same way. But he's gone and it's done and dusted. Suzuki should make him an offer he can't refuse to make their new bike look good. He could have the added incentive to be the only man to win the title on 3 diff makes...

[denill]

Suzuki should make him an offer he can't refuse to make their new bike look good. He could have the added incentive to be the only man to win the title on 3 diff makes...

Now, that IS a thought. Doubt that Suzuki are funded enough to even tempt him though:no:

[Kendog]

I've got 2 doz Steinies that says Lorenzo will beat Rossi at the pointy end of the season. Bet?
Are you willing to bet on JL vs MM?
My money is on MM.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Are you willing to bet on JL vs MM?
My money is on MM.

Nope. Not now!!:bleh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Are you willing to bet on JL vs MM?
My money is on MM.

The scary thing is mate...the kid is only gonna get better. If you remember the pre season test at Jerez...he was a wee bit off the pace. Came back...learnt how to better deal with it on a Moto GP bike...then sorted it. The rest of them must be shitting themselves I would imagine.

[McWild]

Loved the few times there was footage of Pedrosa — he’s just so... fast!

I feel like that's the best way to put it with Pedrosa. His style is about as simple, un-flashy as it gets. He doesn't have an attitude. He doesn't go for the wild passes.

He's just really, ridiculously fast on a bike.

And it completely shows when he's out front like that. I am definitely happy for him, he rode that race in his classic style and did a damn good job of it. Even celebrated with a wheelie, super rare from him so was obviously happy with himself. It just seems to me like his problem is riding a race that doesn't fit his style. The others must all get the shits when they see him any more than 7 tenths ahead of the pack, but any time he's not there he doesn't seem to rise to the occasion. Lorenzo is of course a blazingly quick metronome when he's out front, but if someone takes a fight to him he will scrap it out all day. Rossi battles like he was born for it, but when the time comes to lay down some very fast laps, consistent the whole way, he can pull it off (Qatar). Stoner could do it all as well. I feel like unless he can start riding races that don't suit him as well as the others do, he is going to continue to be Mr Almost.

[imdying]

Lorenzo is like a clock, I'm still picking him for the championship.

[trustme]

I'll still pick Dani , he will quietly accumulate points . Jlo & MM will get into gun fight & cost each other points. It's an ego thing.

I'm not a Dani fan , if not this year then he never will.

[Kendog]

The scary thing is mate...the kid is only gonna get better. If you remember the pre season test at Jerez...he was a wee bit off the pace. Came back...learnt how to better deal with it on a Moto GP bike...then sorted it. The rest of them must be shitting themselves I would imagine.
He is the best thing in the GP.
He seems to have matured a lot, even in these three races. That last corner was a Lorenzo mistake like you said, feeling the pressure already maybe?

[merv]

George said it himself in the press release it was his mistake because he thought the boy was further behind http://www.motomatters.com/press_release/2013/05/05/2013_jerez_motogp_sunday_post_race_press.html

where he said:

Jorge Lorenzo
3rd / +5.089 / 27 laps
“I have always been positive so today also I am going to be positive, to finish the race with sixteen points is always a great result. I was second for the whole race and then lost the place on the last corner so it wasn't the perfect race. The perfect race is a victory and if not possible second, the next is third. Today we got another podium and we are quite close to the leader. On the other hand we have to improve the bike. I think I made two mistakes in the race, in the start I started really badly and in the last corner, I thought Marquez was further behind than he was so I didn’t take a defensive line, this was my second mistake.”

[cmoore]

looks like a tough year for Yamaha if they get this result at a track they expected to get good points at..fair pass by mm...lorenzo had done such a great job shutting him out I really expected him to have it sorted..maybe he took that line into the last corner because he was worried about the hondas speed to the line...anyway....bring out something new Lin for fuck sake!!....i'm frustrated already...and where the fuck was Rossi!!.....

[puddytat]

I reckon Mark'll win the championship. I think we are going to see something special....

[BMWST?]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/946880_10151649322065769_1886293382_n.jpg

its started

[Reckless]

Good on Danni great race bit like Jlo in the last race controlled from the front :) Great to see him step up, that will do wonders for his confidence.
One more race like the first two and I think we might have seen him sliding backwards best result for the championship we could have asked for?
Except Rossi winning of coarse. Not sure if that's going to happen he just doesn't seem to have that extra 2/10's he needs??

Very interesting JLo's comments after! I thought the MM pass was a typical MX block pass but if Jorge says he fucked up well that's what we got to go with.
Actually thought Jorge letting the contact happen rather than bailing out showed he's up for a fight to. It was a damn good thump.

MM doesn't give a fuck who he's racing. A bit like Simo, absolutely ruthless but with Stoner like style.
Of late only Simo and MM have had that 100% do or die element. If they let this go there's gonna be much more action surrounding this kid yet :)
I think we might see some of the Moto2 arrogance coming back in??

Cant wait to see how this season develops :)

[pritch]

Per Neil Spalding:

It would appear that Jorge has history at "his" corner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzVu5sVQ0ZE.

Spalding goes on to wonder if Joan Olive and Marquez are friends?

[eelracing]

Jeezus i'm still waiting for these boys to give Marquez the learn...I guess it would be easier to wait for Crasher to get a better taste in beer.

Roll on Le Mans.

[Crasherfromwayback]

...I guess it would be easier to wait for Crasher to get a better taste in beer.

Roll on Le Mans.

Whatchu talkin 'bout Willis?

And yeah...can't wait!!

[codgyoleracer]

Yeah. MM so reminds me of Stoner that I don't even miss him! (Sorry Casey).

I pissed myself at the commentators when they were wanking on about how MM was overly aggressive there...and may be penalised under the new points off system. FFS. Years ago, when Rossi did a far worse move on Sete Gibernau...he was hailed as a hero!

Lorenzo should've shut the door knowing full well MM was coming. And once he saw he was there...should've shut the thing down and come back up the inside of MM as he was obviously gonna run way deep. Sorry Lorenzo...I'm a huge fan...but epic fail by you. No one else to blame.


Very similar move, but MM lifted about a third of the way in............ A bit naughty ?, Dunno, none of em are there to fuck spiders aye.

[Drew]

GO PEDRO!!!

Everyone slammed Rossi last year for lunging too far back, and taking out Stoner in the rain at the same track, but it's OK for MM because...

If Lorenzo had realised how tight it was gonna be, he could have turned later after MM had run wide and taken the spot back. It wasn't a dodgy move, it was ambitious, and it paid off.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Very similar move, but MM lifted about a third of the way in............ A bit naughty ?, Dunno, none of em are there to fuck spiders aye.

I've watching about 20 odd times via Moto GP.com...they've shown replays from every angle etc etc. And to me, there's no way on earth MM did anything wrong other than run it in too hot once the door was left open for him to try. I think if anything...Lorenzo tried to lean on him and shut the door once it was way too late. Trying to upload a screen grab I taook of the site...but it's not playing the game...sorted! Have a look at this pic...and tell me Lorenzo didn't fuck it up and wasn't the one coming in on top of MM?


GO PEDRO!!!

Everyone slammed Rossi last year for lunging too far back, and taking out Stoner in the rain at the same track, but it's OK for MM because...

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Agree. Go Pedro...awesome race by him.

But I don't really think you can compare decking your bike and skittling someone with it to taking an open invitation to put it up the iside mate.

282518 MM is in hot...Lorenzo MUST'VE seen him by now...should've simply let MM run it in way too deep and shot back inside of him a la Stoner vs Rossi somany times in 08...and dealt to him. Of course...this is why I'm better than Lorenzo right? Fucking fast from my keyboard! :-) But seriously...bad racecraft form Lorenzo I feel.

[codgyoleracer]

[QUOTE=Crasherfromwayback;1130542369]I've watching about 20 odd times via Moto GP.com...they've shown replays from every angle etc etc. And to me, there's no way on earth MM did anything wrong other than run it in too hot once the door was left open for him to try. I think if anything...Lorenzo tried to lean on him and shut the door once it was way too late. Trying to upload a screen grab I taook of the site...but it's not playing the game...sorted! Have a look at this pic...and tell me Lorenzo didn't fuck it up and wasn't the one coming in on top of MM?



Yip, def got a nose well in front there aye

[Dave-]

As always the onus is on the passing party to do so safely.

Was it done safely?

[Crasherfromwayback]

As always the onus is on the passing party to do so safely.

Was it done safely?

Go back and have a look at the screen grab pic I posted. No way it's anything other than a clean safe pass. Lorenzo's fault 100%.

[Crasherfromwayback]

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Yip, def got a nose well in front there aye

Reckon. If Lorenzo hadn't seen him there...he wants his eyes tested. I think it was simply a case of "oh fuck...he's there...best I try and shut the door anyway!" MM saw the impact coming and braced himself by picking it up a tad maybe...but fair enough if someone is going to come on in on top of you from behind as Lorenzo did.

[codgyoleracer]

Reckon. If Lorenzo hadn't seen him there...he wants his eyes tested. I think it was simply a case of "oh fuck...he's there...best I try and shut the door anyway!" MM saw the impact coming and braced himself by picking it up a tad maybe...but fair enough if someone is going to come on in on top of you from behind as Lorenzo did.

Yep, none of the guys that get to that level are softies when it comes to 'limiting the other riders options" shall we say.........

[Drew]

As always the onus is on the passing party to do so safely.

Was it done safely?No one crashed, can't have been that dangerous.

[Brett]

Loved the few times there was footage of Pedrosa — he’s just so... fast!

And consistent...one of the most under-rated racers given his talent IMO. A little boring to watch (sort of like JL) because they are just so smooth and consistent wacking out lap after lap.

[Brett]

He was looking really good! Be fucking awesome if all three of them are this close all season eh! Where's that chap from earlier in this thread that was saying Rossi would waste Lorenzo *again*? It would seem to me that the goal posts have moved a tad since Rossi was *the man*. No matter how good you are...it's only ever a matter of time till someone better comes along.

I will be a die-hard Rossi fan boy until he retires, but I suspect that we have seen the end of his era. He has some stiff new talented young racers in the mix who are not going to give any quarter. MM (if he can keep a cool head and race sensibly) is going to be a force to be reckoned with for some time. That said...it would be interesting to get an understanding of how much is MM and how much is the Honda.

[Brett]

Now, that IS a thought. Doubt that Suzuki are funded enough to even tempt him though:no:

I should really Multi-quote.....:stupid:

I don't think that he can be tempted back by money. He has made several comments in interviews in the past couple of weeks (in the forum of his V8 racing) about being so happy to be away from MotoGP, although he misses the bikes...but that is absolutely all. Also...have to wonder if Suzuki could develop a competitive bike .

[Crasherfromwayback]

That said...it would be interesting to get an understanding of how much is MM and how much is the Honda.

The best guys at the height of their powers win on anything. Eg: Rossi on the Yam early on, Stoner on the Ducati etc etc. There'll be tracks that'll suit the Yam better again no doubt. It's funny...they (Yam) went 1-2 at round one...and just because Honda have done the same at rounds 2 & 3 all of a sudden the Yam is a pill of poo and not competitive. Both Lornezo and Rossi have made mention that it's not competitive with the Honda? I say bullshit.

[pritch]

Both Lornezo and Rossi have made mention that it's not competitive with the Honda? I say bullshit.

I dunno.

I think a lot of what went on at Jerez was to do with tyres and the track temperatures. Lorenzo had a go at Bridgestone as did another rider - may have been Crutchlow? They were unhappy with the available tyres.

Rossi didn't whinge particularly but said that tyres would decide the outcome of the race. On the Yamaha the hard tyres had insufficient grip, the soft tyres had grip but wouldn't last.

In the winter test the Yamahas topped the timesheets, but it was colder then. Normally I'd have thunk cold track meant less grip, but in Jerez this weekend the track temps in the morning were relatively cold but later in the day were 40c or more. The commentator mentioned a theory that said the higher temps bought oil to the surface of the seal. Didn't seem to bother Pedro much in the race, but the weekend was a real crash fest. Riders including Pedro going down at frequent intervals in all classes.

It's all a bit of a puzzle really, but we may get more clues at Le Mans?

A Spanish magazine reported that Yamaha had a seamless gearbox but David Emmett did some ace detective work and looks to have proved that Yamaha do not yet have the new gearbox. Which would appear to be a disadvantage.

Crutchlow again reports no new parts, just going round and round during Mondays test. But then he was going quite quick.

[Drew]

Oil to the surface of the track? That's not something I've heard of before.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I dunno.

I think a lot of what went on at Jerez was to do with tyres and the track temperatures. Lorenzo had a go at Bridgestone as did another rider - may have been Crutchlow? They were unhappy with the available tyres.

Rossi didn't whinge particularly but said that tyres would decide the outcome of the race. On the Yamaha the hard tyres had insufficient grip, the soft tyres had grip but wouldn't last.



And last year, they changed the tyres and they didn't work for the Hondas. Tough titties then wannit? Just Stoner whinging I guess.

[speights_bud]

Hi all,

I'm looking at going to Phillip Island for the GP in October. Last time I went was in 2010 and this time i want to see if i can go (with probably 2 others at this stage) and work as a track Marshal.

I know this has been done in the past, i remember seeing the application form in the Vic Club Oily Rag some years ago. Does anyone know someone who has done it and the channels to go through? short of e-mailing Motorcycling Australia directly google hasn't really helped me much further.

I don't know what qualifications they do or don't require but i do have plenty of experience doing bike recovery and flagging here in NZ here.

Any leads in the right direction or someone to contact would be greatly appreciated :)

Cheers

Paddy

[Brett]

Oil to the surface of the track? That's not something I've heard of before.

Yeah, sounded like BS to me too.

[Dave-]

Go back and have a look at the screen grab pic I posted. No way it's anything other than a clean safe pass. Lorenzo's fault 100%.


No one crashed, can't have been that dangerous.

I was going to explain why you were wrong but I'll just agree with you instead seeing as that is what you want.

You are right.

Tyres were interesting though, definitely not "oil coming to the surface". Instead I imagine the chemistry behind the rubber bonding in the tyre is hideously complex, obviously the track temperatures exceeded the operating conditions of the rubber compound they currently use, which is fair enough I guess, you cant just whip up a batch of GP tyres in a few minutes.

[carbonhed]

Go back and have a look at the screen grab pic I posted. No way it's anything other than a clean safe pass. Lorenzo's fault 100%.

Except that Marquez isn't even remotely going to make the corner... it's just another wild arsed lunge like his previous effort. The only way it works is if he actually hits Lorenzo. Lorenzo should have shut the door and he should have just let him fly past when he didn't... but FUCK Marquez!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Crutchlow again reports no new parts, just going round and round during Mondays test. But then he was going quite quick.

Then he's talking shit. He tried the new frame, but claims he didn't notice any real improvements.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I was going to explain why you were wrong but I'll just agree with you instead seeing as that is what you want.
You are right.
.

No. Far rather hear why you think I'm wrong.



Except that Marquez isn't even remotely going to make the corner... it's just another wild arsed lunge like his previous effort. The only way it works is if he actually hits Lorenzo. Lorenzo should have shut the door and he should have just let him fly past when he didn't... but FUCK Marquez!

Bullshit. No way he would've even made the kitty litter. Fuck no pleasing some of you cunts. You claim the racing is boring, then when someone actually rides like the heady days of old you squeal like bitches! FFS. And you claim to be a Simo fan? lolololololol He was so safe.

[BMWST?]

Hi all,

I'm looking at going to Phillip Island for the GP in October. Last time I went was in 2010 and this time i want to see if i can go (with probably 2 others at this stage) and work as a track Marshal.

I know this has been done in the past, i remember seeing the application form in the Vic Club Oily Rag some years ago. Does anyone know someone who has done it and the channels to go through? short of e-mailing Motorcycling Australia directly google hasn't really helped me much further.

I don't know what qualifications they do or don't require but i do have plenty of experience doing bike recovery and flagging here in NZ here.

Any leads in the right direction or someone to contact would be greatly appreciated :)

Cheers

Paddy

i might be able to help..watch for a PM

[carbonhed]

No. Far rather hear why you thing I'm wrong.




Bullshit. No way he would've even made the kitty litter. Fuck no pleasing some of you cunts. You claim the racing is boring, then when someone actually rides like the heady days of old you squeal like bitches! FFS. And you claim to be a Simo fan? lolololololol He was so safe.

It's a fucking loooong way to the kitty litter so maybe not.

Simo was cool and funny and raced like a nutbar. Marquez is sociopathic... a very fast sociopath for sure but a sociopath nonetheless... I'd lurv to see Crutchlow nut him. :-)

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's a fucking loooong way to the kitty litter so maybe not.

Simo was cool and funny and raced like a nutbar. Marquez is sociopathic... a very fast sociopath for sure but a sociopath nonetheless... I'd lurv to see Crutchlow nut him. :-)

Yeah have they moved it back a bit from the day Rossi introduced Gibernau to it?

This is true...but as I've always said...I don't give a shit. I just wanna see some awesome race action. Gotta love the way he rides the bike. Unlike Lorenzo and Pedro..he's all action. I love that.

[puddytat]

Crutchlow is only going to get 2 chances at "nutting" MM .....taking him out in the first corner or if MM has to start from the rear of the grid.
Even then he'd be on Crutchlows arse by 1/2 way.

[tail_end_charlie]

After looking at the replays of the move by Marc over and over again.....................I can't see how Jorge can really complain about anything.

Jorge was very wide on entry, probably anticipating MM to be way back since he had re-passed him after MM first lunge a corner or two before.
MM was close enough to fairly make the lunge for the wide open doorway that Jorge left for him.
MM was ahead of Jorge when by the time that Jorge wanted to turn-in, to the point that Jorge should have seen him (you can see MM in Jorge on-board footage, so Jorge had to of seen him). In fact, you can see in the footage that Jorge pulls in his knee, and stands the bike up a little when he first see's MM, well before they touch. To me this says that he reacted in surprise, instinctively pulling his leg in, but otherwise freezing on the bike. Normally a typical rookie mistake, and not something that I would have ever thought to see Jorge do, but sometimes shit happens.
The idea that MM was using Jorge as a berm seems pretty damn ridiculous to me. MM was already using at least 95% of the available traction from the tires in braking and starting to turn-in for the corner. The idea that he could purposely bounce off Jorge and not low-side is pretty damn wild.
Also, the idea that MM was going in so hot that he wasn't going to make the corner and end up in the kitty litter is completely unfounded. Looks to me like he was fractions of a second away from making his turn-in when Jorge hit him. He had already pulled in his leg-dangle, had his foot on the peg and body transitioning to his extreme hang-off position. The impact of Jorge hitting him meant that he had to hesitate for a second to let the bike settle before he could turn-in. If Jorge hadn't hit him, he probably would have made the corner sooner and tighter. Even so, there was still plenty of room for Jorge to make it around the turn without having to go off track, and he probably wouldn't have had to cross the white line into the paved runoff area if he hadn't hit MM.

However, before this Lorenzo corner incident, MM was doing some pretty wild (and looked a hell of a lot more dangerous to me) braking off the front straight into turn 1. About three or four times he came within inches of clipping the back of Jorge's bike, and most likely both of them would have come to grief if that had happened. I saw some comments alluding to the possibility that Jorge was brake checking MM, but I couldn't see any sign of that. MM was just braking later, harder and a lot more wildly then Jorge was.

[tail_end_charlie]

Also am getting more and more impressed with Cal's riding as this season goes on. (Not to mention he has more personality then half the paddock put together.) He is definitely proving himself to be the best of the rest. Not only in outright speed, but more importantly in consistency and maturity. Two 4ths and a 5th so far while showing the potential to take the fight to the 4 aliens. He is still making those 1 or 2 unforced errors in a race that is right now keeping him from fighting for the podium, but he seems (so far this year) to still be keeping it rubber side down. For the most part he has the speed, and his lapping consistency seems to be only a step or two down on Jorge, and roughly the same or better then Rossi. The biggest thing that seems to be holding him up is his passing of slower riders. Both Rossi and Jorge (Dani and MM as well) seem to have the ability to pass someone almost as soon as they come up them, while Cal gets stuck behind for a lap or two or more and looses touch with the front runners.

Overall I think he is going to do better, and really threaten for podiums and wins, much more so then Bautista or Bradl. Never been much of a Bautista fan, and Bradl has been pretty disappointing so far this year.

OH yeah, and big Kudo's to Espargaro. Wouldn't it be great if he switched bikes with some balding little brit kid???

[merv]

Why all the analysis, lets just enjoy the racing as now we've finally got some?

All the dufus types squealing about MM, what did you expect him to do? - say "hey George you've gone a bit wide, just come on back in a bit and I'll wait behind you otherwise it wouldn't be fair if I passed you when you've made a mistake".

Like Agostini, Hailwood, Sheene, Roberts, Rainey, Doohan or Rossi would have been so polite let alone our old favourites Kocinski and crasher's ex Stoner.

[tail_end_charlie]

Why all the analysis, lets just enjoy the racing as now we've finally got some?

All the dufus types squealing about MM, what did you expect him to do? - say "hey George you've gone a bit wide, just come on back in a bit and I'll wait behind you otherwise it wouldn't be fair if I passed you when you've made a mistake".

Like Agostini, Hailwood, Sheene, Roberts, Rainey, Doohan or Rossi would have been so polite let alone our old favourites Kocinski and crasher's ex Stoner.

Oh I did enjoy it. I thought it was great! I am surprised that so many people that have complained about how boring and processional MotoGP has been lately have jumped up and criticized a move that made things interesting in the last lap. Sure as hell want more 'racers' out there instead of 'marching band' participants.

[Crasherfromwayback]

let alone our old favourites Kocinski and crasher's ex Stoner.

He's not an 'ex' as such Merv. Just one of the many in my man harem of ex racers.

[Drew]

Why all the analysis, lets just enjoy the racing as now we've finally got some?

It's kinda what the threads all about bro.

This bantar would be exactly the same if we hired out a pub and watched the races in each others company I think. It's just quieter this way.

[Badjelly]

...It's just quieter this way.

Yeah, and fewer injuries.

[Oscar]

Why all the analysis, lets just enjoy the racing as now we've finally got some?



So why are you posting then?
Crasher got a gun to yer head?

[Drew]

So why are you posting then?
Crasher got a gun to yer head?He's still hobbling around on a welded up foot. Wait till he aint looking and wander off at a slow walk and your safe in no time.

[Oscar]

He's still hobbling around on a welded up foot. Wait till he aint looking and wander off at a slow walk and your safe in no time.

Let me guess - injured in some kind of "foot in mouth" incident?

[Dave-]

No. Far rather hear why you think I'm wrong.

Ok ok ok

The photo you posted, at a certain angle, without seeing where each rider was coming from and the result, looks a lot like a very safe pass, granted. But that's because it's a photo at a specific time and a specific angle.

Check out the gif McWild posted:




http://i.minus.com/ixCL1ZzPZG4z8.gif

It looked horribly wrong from the start, he starts from way back (cause he's passing) then the bike runs straight while his foot is still dragging on the road, he stated after the race that when he realised he and lorenzo were going to collide he let off the brake, I cant tell if this is the point, or if that comes later on, motorcycle intuition tells us that when you brake the bike stands up, but these are elite riders on elite bikes so I don't think that counts here. If he lets off later on then it's obvious that the reason he was braking earlier is because he's over cooked the corner (much like the last one). In the first case he's a good guy for realising early on what's up, in the latter he's still a bit of a kid for fucking up the corner.

The marshals have decided not to punish him though, so I must be wrong in respect to what constitutes a safe pass (unless dorna want some action in the GP)

But I still think Marquez was wrong for trying to pass, but I am glad he tried, you're 100% right there.

To quote Ayrton Senna "By being a racing driver you are under risk all the time. By being a racing driver means you are racing with other people. And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing, we are competing to win. And the main motivation to all of us is to compete for victory, it's not to come 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th. I race to win as long as I feel it's possible. Sometimes you get it wrong? Sure, it's impossible to get it right all the time. But I race designed to win, as long as I feel I'm doing it right." which is why I'm glad Marquez did try.

So Marquez has been known for his dirty riding, he has been quite well behaved so far, is this the first of many?

[Mental Trousers]

To quote Ayrton Senna "By being a racing driver you are under risk all the time. By being a racing driver means you are racing with other people. And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing, we are competing to win. And the main motivation to all of us is to compete for victory, it's not to come 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th. I race to win as long as I feel it's possible. Sometimes you get it wrong? Sure, it's impossible to get it right all the time. But I race designed to win, as long as I feel I'm doing it right."

One of the great quotes about racing that one.

[slowpoke]

Oh I did enjoy it. I thought it was great! I am surprised that so many people that have complained about how boring and processional MotoGP has been lately have jumped up and criticized a move that made things interesting in the last lap. Sure as hell want more 'racers' out there instead of 'marching band' participants.

No complaints here regards MM's pass on JL. My only complaint is that it's a return to yawnsville: DP was gone-burger with JL and MM only scuffling over the scraps. 3 races in and it's 3 dominant wins, so much for the scrapping we were hoping for. Without VR's charge in race 1 there isn't really much to get excited over.

[merv]

You're hard to please the slow one <_<

[Drew]

I fast forwarded quite a bit of the last race.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Let me guess - injured in some kind of "foot in mouth" incident?

lol. Not that flexible nowadays mate!

[Logpot]

Have you guys seen this?

"Suzuki New Zealand this week rushed to rectify matters, paying to ensure that TV3 could indeed purchase the broadcasting rights to the pinnacle of two-wheeled racing" (http://www.suzuki.co.nz/News/Motorcycle/2013/05/08/Suzuki+Gives+You+Exactly+What+You+Want/)

https://www.facebook.com/SuzukiNZ

[denill]

Have you guys seen this?


https://www.facebook.com/SuzukiNZ

Having been held out to ransom and subscribed to MotoGP.com theft it's a bit late for me to benifit - but we all MUST now click on the FB link and 'like' to show ppreciation.

[denill]

My only complaint is that it's a return to yawnsville: DP was gone-burger with JL and MM only scuffling over the scraps. 3 races in and it's 3 dominant wins, so much for the scrapping we were hoping for. Without VR's charge in race 1 there isn't really much to get excited over.

Can't please all the people all the time. :no: :no:

[Dave-]

Having been held out to ransom and subscribed to MotoGP.com theft it's a bit late for me to benifit - but we all MUST now click on the FB link and 'like' to show ppreciation.

I'm gonna go ahead, be a turbo cunt and say "pfft it's only highlights..."

[tail_end_charlie]

I'm gonna go ahead, be a turbo cunt and say "pfft it's only highlights..."

I must be just a cunt then, cause I waited until someone else said that and then agreed with them.................

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ok ok ok

The photo you posted, at a certain angle, without seeing where each rider was coming from and the result, looks a lot like a very safe pass, granted. But that's because it's a photo at a specific time and a specific angle.

Check out the gif McWild posted:



It looked horribly wrong from the start, he starts from way back (cause he's passing) then the bike runs straight while his foot is still dragging on the road, he stated after the race that when he realised he and lorenzo were going to collide he let off the brake, I cant tell if this is the point, or if that comes later on, motorcycle intuition tells us that when you brake the bike stands up, but these are elite riders on elite bikes so I don't think that counts here. If he lets off later on then it's obvious that the reason he was braking earlier is because he's over cooked the corner (much like the last one). In the first case he's a good guy for realising early on what's up, in the latter he's still a bit of a kid for fucking up the corner.

The marshals have decided not to punish him though, so I must be wrong in respect to what constitutes a safe pass (unless dorna want some action in the GP)

But I still think Marquez was wrong for trying to pass, but I am glad he tried, you're 100% right there.


So Marquez has been known for his dirty riding, he has been quite well behaved so far, is this the first of many?

And I'm never going to say you're wrong and I'm right mate. We just obviously see it very differently. Have you seen film footage from diff angles as well though? Or just the one posted? How 'bout from MM's on board camera? From above...etc etc?

[roogazza]

Having been held out to ransom and subscribed to MotoGP.com theft it's a bit late for me to benifit - but we all MUST now click on the FB link and 'like' to show ppreciation.

I knew being of Scottish decent would pay off Bill, at least you've been able to see the first 3 rounds !
You been watching the BSB ? ( No traction control either ), with great scaps all the way through the races. It shows why the top poms can win at WSBK.

ps under 3 weeks now, I just need Vale to win in France, Italy will go off anyway. :bleh::bleh: :msn-wink:

[denill]

I knew being of Scottish decent would pay off Bill, at least you've been able to see the first 3 rounds !
You been watching the BSB ? ( No traction control either ), with great scaps all the way through the races. It shows why the top poms can win at WSBK.

ps under 3 weeks now, I just need Vale to win in France, Italy will go off anyway. :bleh::bleh: :msn-wink:

Yeah Gaz, it's a great 2nd prize. I can't believe the whinging that it's only? delayed hilights. Shit, I remember we had to wait for the mags to arrive in the shop weeks after the race. You just can't please some!

Great to get BSB (And there's whinging about that too!) Like I said somewhere earlier about WSBK, it's refreshing to see guys getting genuine enjoyment from their racing.

#46 winning in France? You're becoming delusional Gaz...............

[denill]

And I'm never going to say you're wrong and I'm right mate. We just obviously see it very differently. Have you seen film footage from diff angles as well though? Or just the one posted? How 'bout from MM's on board camera? From above...etc etc?

I have to apologise for not proffering my take on the MM/JL incident. I have analysed the incident and reached an opinion. I know you have all been waiting with baited breath for that opinion, but I am sorry that I have decided to keep it to myself. :laugh:

[DidJit]

Talent & Aggression (http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/marc-marquez-talent-and-aggression/).

[GD66]

....#46 winning in France? You're becoming delusional Gaz...............



It'd have to be pretty wet....:scratch:

[roogazza]

Yeah Gaz, it's a great 2nd prize. I can't believe the whinging that it's only? delayed hilights. Shit, I remember we had to wait for the mags to arrive in the shop weeks after the race. You just can't please some!

Great to get BSB (And there's whinging about that too!) Like I said somewhere earlier about WSBK, it's refreshing to see guys getting genuine enjoyment from their racing.

#46 winning in France? You're becoming delusional Gaz...............

Hey, I gotta try LOL, that would make 4 rounds and 4 winners !!!!

I can remember (here I go again) waiting for 3 mths to get the paper version of MCN from England !!! Just to read about Agostini and Hailwood. Now thats OLD . :confused:

[roogazza]

It'd have to be pretty wet....:scratch:

I'll take a win any which way, GD Preferably with an elbow in MM's ear just to show the young'un.

[denill]

Talent & Aggression (http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/marc-marquez-talent-and-aggression/).

Thanks, a good read. I liked: "Stoner’s talent + Marco Simoncelli’s aggression = Marc Márquez."

[Crasherfromwayback]

Talent & Aggression (http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/marc-marquez-talent-and-aggression/).

Think that's a pretty fair piece.

[Mental Trousers]

Thanks, a good read. I liked: "Stoner’s talent + Marco Simoncelli’s aggression = Marc Márquez."

Stoner’s talent + Marco Simoncelli’s aggression + Mick Doohan's will to dominate = Marc Márquez.

Only on track though. Off track he's the smiley, excitable kid rather than the bastard mind gamer that Doohan was.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Stoner’s talent + Marco Simoncelli’s aggression + Mick Doohan's will to dominate = Marc Márquez.

rather than the bastard mind gamer that Doohan was.

Dunno about mind gamer. That's more Rossi's style. I think he was just a bloody minded grumpy cunt.

[Mental Trousers]

Dunno about mind gamer. That's more Rossi's style. I think he was just a bloody minded grumpy cunt.

He only played one mind game, that was total domination. But he did it all the time. Marquez only tries to do it on track.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He only played one mind game, that was total domination. But he did it all the time..

Yeah he certainly liked to show them who was boss!

[pritch]

Hey, I gotta try LOL, that would make 4 rounds and 4 winners !!!!

I can remember (here I go again) waiting for 3 mths to get the paper version of MCN from England !!! Just to read about Agostini and Hailwood. Now thats OLD . :confused:

Yep. Three months and you got a few black and white pictures. It's only in recent years I have learned what colours the bikes were painted.

Now we get it live in colour as it happens, and if you want you can read what people in the paddock have to say as they say it.
Not quite so interested in all the photos of what they're having for dinner though. :whistle:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Kevin says...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/May/13050834x34.htm

[carbonhed]

Kevin says...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/May/13050834x34.htm

Man you'll just drag in any old clueless, no name, hasbeen if they happen to support your point of view won't you? :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Man you'll just drag in any old clueless, no name, hasbeen if they happen to support your point of view won't you? :laugh:

Reckon! But tell ya what...I can honestly say that most of the better guys I raced most often would all have gone for it too. I know I would've.

[GD66]

Your forum name reflects that....:facepalm: :bleh:




Nah, just kidding. What red-blooded racer could resist an invitation like that ? In fact itlooked a little as though Jorge baulked and in a way almost fell on top of him...looked like a split second's indecision... but lesson learnt, and game on...:clap:

[BMWST?]

Yep. Three months and you got a few black and white pictures. It's only in recent years I have learned what colours the bikes were painted.

Now we get it live in colour as it happens, and if you want you can read what people in the paddock have to say as they say it.
Not quite so interested in all the photos of what they're having for dinner though. :whistle:


motocourse,legendary pics since 1978 or so,and i have all but one since 1978

[BMWST?]

a nice wee video

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2013/MotoGP+slow+motion+shots+from+Jerez

[BMWST?]

i dont really know what all the fuss is about,it was obvious he was gonna have a go at the last corner!And prolly the most likely guy bar 1 to have a go.

[carbonhed]

Reckon! But tell ya what...I can honestly say that most of the better guys I raced most often would all have gone for it too. I know I would've.

Don't mind him having a go... it's the coming in way too hot, on a line that even I'd be embarrassed to call my own, punting the other guy out of the way and then riding off into the sunset that sticks in my throat :laugh:

Lorenzo was a cock though... leaving the door wide open like that. Still... I think he's handled himself pretty well once the initial fury wore off.

[Asher]

a nice wee video

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2013/MotoGP+slow+motion+shots+from+Jerez

You do know that people without a subscription cant watch it......

I think since Marquez wanted to apologias to Lorenzo for what happened on the last corner he had a lot less control of his bike then what it looked.
But a shit pass is still a pass.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But a shit hot pass is still a pass.

Fixed that for ya...

[tail_end_charlie]

You do know that people without a subscription cant watch it......

I think since Marquez wanted to apologias to Lorenzo for what happened on the last corner he had a lot less control of his bike then what it looked.
But a shit pass is still a pass.

Shit, I thought that particular braking move looked like it was the most controlled one of the night from MM.

[Drew]

Don't mind him having a go... it's the coming in way too hot, on a line that even I'd be embarrassed to call my own, punting the other guy out of the way and then riding off into the sunset that sticks in my throat :laugh:

Lorenzo was a cock though... leaving the door wide open like that. Still... I think he's handled himself pretty well once the initial fury wore off.Woah woah woah, what are you even on about?

He didn't punt Lorenzo off, Jeorge turned into the side of him. Lets not make more of it than it was. A late braking, last minute stab at second place, that came off without anyone going down. Good on him.

[miper]

What does Cal have to do to prove himself..........

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/22464330

[Kiwi Graham]

Saw it last night once and a replay once;
Obviously a chance move that paid off for him but it looked to me like if he hadnt of hit Lorenzo he may have ran off the circuit, by the widest stretch of the imagination he was never going to apex that corner. Looked more of a motorcross block pass.

A, well don MM for getting away with it
B, Can completly understand why Lorenzo was pissed at him, probably pissed of with himself for giving the invite.
C, If this (type of) tactic becomes the norm he's going to start finding himself gathering demerit points (or whatever they are being called) and loose respect from his peers.

If he could of got past Lorenzo in the first third of the race (looked like he was trying quite hard eh) and pinged Danny in similar fashion what do you think daddy Puig would have said :Police:

He's going to be around for a long time so looks like he is going to fill Casey's boots quite nicely for Honda and without all the whinging that went with him.

[McWild]

What does Cal have to do to prove himself..........

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/22464330

Probably shut his mouth and let the results speak for themselves.

Hot new talent with PR ability > Older rider with a big mouth, even if he is at the top of his game. Maybe not fair, but lots of things aren't in GP and if he can't knuckle down and accept that, all he's gonna do is put himself out of business. I want to see him succeed but right now he's making it very hard to sympathise with him because he's making his future situation way harder to achieve than it needs to be. A positive figurehead who is willing to celebrate their successes in full is always going to be more appealing to their employer, and sponsors.

[pritch]

Probably shut his mouth and let the results speak for themselves.

Hot new talent with PR ability > Older rider with a big mouth, even if he is at the top of his game. Maybe not fair, but lots of things aren't in GP and if he can't knuckle down and accept that, all he's gonna do is put himself out of business. I want to see him succeed but right now he's making it very hard to sympathise with him because he's making his future situation way harder to achieve than it needs to be. A positive figurehead who is willing to celebrate their successes in full is always going to be more appealing to their employer, and sponsors.

That seems a bit tough. Crutchlow is doing everything that could possibly have been asked of him and he's beating guys on "works" bikes.
He also brings a certain texture to proceedings, and I'd have thought the last thing MotoGP needed was yet another Spanish rider.

Another thing:

The BBC has lost the rights to broadcast MotoGP in Britain after this year and the contract has been awarded to BT. People who have BT as their ISP will see it free, others have to pay fifteen quid a month to watch the GPs. There has already been mention of a boost in subscribers to Dorna's coverage.

My thoughts are with the BBC commentators and reporters who currently face an uncertain future.

This will, however, probably also cause a large reduction in viewer numbers in Britain which is something else I wouldn't have thought MotoGP needed.

[Dave-]

Probably shut his mouth and let the results speak for themselves.

Hot new talent with PR ability > Older rider with a big mouth, even if he is at the top of his game. Maybe not fair, but lots of things aren't in GP and if he can't knuckle down and accept that, all he's gonna do is put himself out of business. I want to see him succeed but right now he's making it very hard to sympathise with him because he's making his future situation way harder to achieve than it needs to be. A positive figurehead who is willing to celebrate their successes in full is always going to be more appealing to their employer, and sponsors.

Cal does come across as a spoilt brat in that article, it's not faaaaaaaaaair etc

[roogazza]

Cal does come across as a spoilt brat in that article, it's not faaaaaaaaaair etc

Yes, whether Crutchless deserves his ride or not I can see him losing it by flapping his gums.
The Spanish pull lots of strings in Motogp and the Japanese can get really pissed when riders or teams dishonor the product.
I thought Rossi was very lucky to get a works Yamaha again but hey, he is Rossi, a different kettle of fish and maybe didn't slash his bridges.

[denill]

What does Cal have to do to prove himself..........

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/22464330

Anybody who performed as Cal has on a satelite bike would be justified in being pissed off. Saying what he thinks does not detract from his performance on the track. If you want someone on your bike who will give his all, Cal's your man. :niceone:

[McWild]

That seems a bit tough. Crutchlow is doing everything that could possibly have been asked of him and he's beating guys on "works" bikes.
He also brings a certain texture to proceedings, and I'd have thought the last thing MotoGP needed was yet another Spanish rider.



I agree with you, I think he really is riding out of himself right now, and riding hard enough to silence any doubters. And I think a bit of cultural variety, especially at the pointy end of things is awesome, as well as someone with a sense of humour. I just feel like he's being too careless with his words for his own good - given that he is from a country that doesn't make him hot property like say, the Spaniards and Japanese. I really want him to stay at the front of GPs and, if he keeps earning it, pick up a factory bike.

I just hope like all hell that that factory bike won't be a Ducati. And if he makes himself out as someone who will go public when he doesn't get what he wants, nay, what he deserves, that's possibly going to be the only option he has left.

[denill]

I agree with you, I think he really is riding out of himself right now, and riding hard enough to silence any doubters. And I think a bit of cultural variety, especially at the pointy end of things is awesome, as well as someone with a sense of humour. I just feel like he's being too careless with his words for his own good - given that he is from a country that doesn't make him hot property like say, the Spaniards and Japanese. I really want him to stay at the front of GPs and, if he keeps earning it, pick up a factory bike.

I just hope like all hell that that factory bike won't be a Ducati. And if he makes himself out as someone who will go public when he doesn't get what he wants, nay, what he deserves, that's possibly going to be the only option he has left.

Yeah, that's exactly what I tried to say.

[pritch]

In an interview with Azi Farni for the BBC Crutchlow explained that he's been told Yamaha want Espagero because of the Marquez phenomenon. The theory is that Espagero could compete with, and sometimes beat, Marquez in Moto2. So Yamaha hope that he will be equally competitive in MotoGP.

Crutchlow is hopeful of picking up a factory bike but says he will quit rather than ride CRT.

[roogazza]

In an interview with Azi Farni for the BBC Crutchlow explained that he's been told Yamaha want Espagero because of the Marquez phenomenon. The theory is that Espagero could compete with, and sometimes beat, Marquez in Moto2. So Yamaha hope that he will be equally competitive in MotoGP.

Crutchlow is hopeful of picking up a factory bike but says he will quit rather than ride CRT.

Espargro would have to be a hot bet being Spanish and having Yamaha keen on him. Another wild child for 2014 ??
I haven't read much about him in the press,have they got into him yet ? He seems pretty smiley and having fun in Moto2.
Crutch better start looking for rides me thinks, but what, even Ducati is full now unless they want new blood and move Hayden on.

[pritch]

even Ducati is full now unless they want new blood and move Hayden on.

Or Spies, or Barbera who has just been sentenced to a jail term in Spain for punching out his Missus. It wasn't all one way traffic, she got a few good shots in too, so she gets jail as well.

Those with local knowledge say that this will likely be reduced to community service or whatever.

[merv]

Cal is a scruffy looking prick too, and this is the glamour age of sponsorship as far as I can see and they like their boys looking pretty.

[Mental Trousers]

Dorna are trying to be less reliant on the traditional strongholds of the sport, Spain and Italy. So filling the top seats with more Spaniards isn't that helpful, especially when Yamaha have Jorge as their number 1 rider. On that basis Crutchlow actually has a good chance.

[roogazza]

The French this weekend.

[pritch]

Dorna are trying to be less reliant on the traditional strongholds of the sport, Spain and Italy. So filling the top seats with more Spaniards isn't that helpful, especially when Yamaha have Jorge as their number 1 rider. On that basis Crutchlow actually has a good chance.

Well the Honda boss said last year that they wouldn't have two Spaniards in the Repsol team and look how that worked out. :doh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well the Honda boss said last year that they wouldn't have two Spaniards in the Repsol team and look how that worked out. :doh:

What are you top five pics for this weekend mate?

[pritch]

Lorenzo
Rossi
Pedro
Marquez
Crutchlow

I think?

[DidJit]

’Tis becoming somewhat more difficult to predict with any sort of certainty who might run away with the race... Three different winners from three races so far — a fourth different winner this weekend perhaps?
Must make your dabbles at the TAB that much more interesting, Crasher. ;)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lorenzo
Rossi
Pedro
Marquez
Crutchlow

I think?

Not bad I reckon! But I think Pedro is hot at the mo...so...

Pedro

Rossi

Lorenzo

MM

Bautista


’Tis becoming somewhat more difficult to predict with any sort of certainty who might run away with the race... Three different winners from three races so far — a fourth different winner this weekend perhaps?
Must make your dabbles at the TAB that much more interesting, Crasher. ;)

Tell me about it. Won on MM in Texas, lost on Lorenzo at Jerez. TAB owns me. Mind you...nothing to do with bikes...but do you know Colapop from here years ago? His boy (Jeff Tomanga- Allen) won me some pretty serious (by my measly standards) moola for scoring the first try for the Canes the other week. He was paying $50.00

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lorenzo
Rossi
Pedro
Marquez
Crutchlow

I think?

Not bad I reckon! But I think Pedro is hot at the mo...so...

Pedro

Rossi

Lorenzo

MM

Bautista


’Tis becoming somewhat more difficult to predict with any sort of certainty who might run away with the race... Three different winners from three races so far — a fourth different winner this weekend perhaps?
Must make your dabbles at the TAB that much more interesting, Crasher. ;)

Tell me about it. Won on MM in Texas, lost on Lorenzo at Jerez. TAB owns me. Mind you...nothing to do with bikes...but do you know Colapop from here years ago? His boy (Jeff Tomanga- Allen) won me some pretty serious (by my measly standards) moola for scoring the first try for the Canes the other week. He was paying $50.00.

[roogazza]

Lorenzo
Rossi
Pedro
Marquez
Crutchlow

I think?

Like I wished earlier pritch, wouldn't it be great to have a fourth winner to shake things up ?
Crappy weather in France is not uncommon for the GP so that has to help Rossi achieve a win.
Other than wish, it's hard to pick a winner (or guess a winner ).I hope everyone stays on, that's all.

[Mental Trousers]

Well the Honda boss said last year that they wouldn't have two Spaniards in the Repsol team and look how that worked out. :doh:

Yeah, so much for that. But there was no way they could get away with not putting Marquez in MotoGP and they also had to have an experienced racer there in case.

It's really not a good look though having the top half of the field in MotoGP dominated by Spain and Italy. Also you've got the Superbikes which are all European (Poms, Italians, a Spaniard, Frenchmen, a Swede, and a German), not a single rider from North/South America, Africa, Asia or anywhere else. Dorna is very, very European focused. Not a good thing for growth or for what is meant to be global sports and true World Championships.

[DidJit]

Funny you mention that (http://motomatters.com/news/2013/05/15/carmelo_ezpeleta_speaks_to_reuters_on_ra.html)...

[McWild]

If Rossi could pull a second last year on the Duc, against an on-form Stoner (who, lets not forget after Sepang last year, "loves the rain") I feel like he will be difficult to stop this Sunday. Plus he's well known for responding to hype, 4 winners, "Rossi's comeback in the great equaliser" headlines etc.

Would have to call it

1 Rossi
2 Lorenzo
3 Pedro
4 Dovi / Bradl

with Cal and MM hitting the gravel.

If it's wet, this is.

[pritch]

Some of you are braver than me. I saw an article that mentioned that this could be Rossi's weekend but I couldn't feel confident enough to pick him.

Should he manage it though the only person in the world happier than me would be Rossi himself...

[DidJit]

... Tell me about it. Won on MM in Texas, lost on Lorenzo at Jerez. TAB owns me. Mind you...nothing to do with bikes...but do you know Colapop from here years ago? His boy (Jeff Tomanga- Allen) won me some pretty serious (by my measly standards) moola for scoring the first try for the Canes the other week. He was paying $50.00.

Probably before I joined KB. Not a bad haul, that. :niceone:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Some of you are braver than me. I saw an article that mentioned that this could be Rossi's weekend but I couldn't feel confident enough to pick him.

Should he manage it though the only person in the world happier than me would be Rossi himself...

I reckon he'll win a race maybe more this year. He's such a class act...I really can't see him not. Especially in the rain.

And I think Gaz will give you a run for jollies if he does win one! :-)

[Drew]

And I think Gaz will give you a run for jollies if he does win one! :-)Me three!..

[pritch]

And I think Gaz will give you a run for jollies if he does win one! :-)

Well I have a bottle of champagne at home - the real deal. When Countdown send out those $15.00 or $30.00 coupons I wait until the good bubbly is on special and then get one for half price or less. (I know that's still not "cheap" but then I don't have a missus so I can do what I like.)

Admittedly it sometimes doesn't take much, but Rossi winning a GP would be sufficient excuse to open that bottle. :drinkup:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well I have a bottle of champagne at home - the real deal. When Countdown send out those $15.00 or $30.00 coupons I wait until the good bubbly is on special and then get one for half price or less. (I know that's still not "cheap" but then I don't have a missus so I can do what I like.)

Admittedly it sometimes doesn't take much, but Rossi winning a GP would be sufficient excuse to open that bottle. :drinkup:

I'll have a beer to him. Ok...I'll be drinking regardless. But yeah...I'd love to see him win some races too. Be great to see. Good for the sport too.

[roogazza]

I'll have a beer to him. Ok...I'll be drinking regardless. But yeah...I'd love to see him win some races too. Be great to see. Good for the sport too.

I hope you are pacing yourself with the Steinlagers P ?
You fall down pissed and damage the Surgeon's work, he'll rip you a new one!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I hope you are pacing yourself with the Steinlagers P ?
You fall down pissed and damage the Surgeon's work, he'll rip you a new one!

Here's his work...what do you think?

282871282872

[Drew]

The guy wouldn't make a very good cabinet maker. Can't drive a screw in square to save himself.

[roogazza]

Here's his work...what do you think?

282871282872

Some long screws in there, prognosis ?

Wait till you're old, arthritus will figure, ....but wait lol !!!!!!!!! Nah, give it twenty years.
(no VMC for you my boy ?).

[Crasherfromwayback]

Some long screws in there, prognosis ?

Wait till you're old, arthritus will figure, ....but wait lol !!!!!!!!! Nah, give it twenty years.
(no VMC for you my boy ?).

It's a triple fusion Gaz...because the three joints were so arthritic. Yeah I'll do some VMX for sure.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Harden up boy...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/May/130516rydernotes.htm

[Maido]

I would actually like to hear what Stoner had to say about the incident, just to see who he stuck up for.

[pritch]

Harden up boy...


Yeah, despite the smiles and handshakes Jorge just keeps banging on about *that* pass. Race Direction felt compelled to make a statement as to how they arrived at their decision, but still Jorge bangs on. It would seem that Marquez has done a very thorough job of getting inside Jorge's head.

Was interested to watch the interview with Crutchlow. When he referred to "doing something else with his life" if he lost his ride to Espagero and couldn't get another, I wondered if he meant cycling. He trains with Bradley Wiggins, Tour de France champ, and BW couldn't afford to slow down and wait for him, so he must be near professional level as a rider.

In the current video interview he says if he lost his ride he'd like to give cycling a go, 26 is a bit late, but if he were to train full time for cycling who knows?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I would actually like to hear what Stoner had to say about the incident, just to see who he stuck up for.

Stoner and Lorenzo got a bit gay on it towards passing I reckon...too fucking polite about it. About the only real *tough* pass I recall Stoner doing was on either De Puniet or Bautista (can't remember which one) at Mugello.


Yeah, despite the smiles and handshakes Jorge just keeps banging on about *that* pass. Race Direction felt compelled to make a statement as to how they arrived at their decision, but still Jorge bangs on. It would seem that Marquez has done a very thorough job of getting inside Jorge's head.

?

I reckon. If he does't let it go it's not good for the head. It'd be a sad day for road racing if MM was ever fined for such a move.

[pritch]

I reckon. If he does't let it go it's not good for the head. It'd be a sad day for road racing if MM was ever fined for such a move.

There has been a lot said. Race Direction said if JL had gone down there would have been a penalty, if it was any other lap there would have been a penalty, but as Pedrosa said, "Last corner, last lap".

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/May/may1613-Why-Marc-Marquez-wasnt-punished-in-Jerez/

[cmoore]

they asked Jorge about it during the monster interviews at Le Mans.....but the girls were standing behind them and i have no idea what was said....:drool:

[Crasherfromwayback]

There has been a lot said. Race Direction said if JL had gone down there would have been a penalty, if it was any other lap there would have been a penalty, but as Pedrosa said, "Last corner, last lap".

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/May/may1613-Why-Marc-Marquez-wasnt-punished-in-Jerez/

Exactly how I see it too.

[bogan]

There has been a lot said. Race Direction said if JL had gone down there would have been a penalty, if it was any other lap there would have been a penalty, but as Pedrosa said, "Last corner, last lap".

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/May/may1613-Why-Marc-Marquez-wasnt-punished-in-Jerez/

Seems like a bad double standard to have, either it was dangerous or it wasn't, lap count shouldn't come into it.


I would stress that we cannot allow any rider whether it be Marquez or anyone else to be consistently riding such they are becoming a danger. We won't let that happen. But everyone starts the season with a clean slate and a decision is taken totally independent of history."

Also this. It sounds like they mean if he was doing that often they would give him a penalty, but then say the decision is taken independently of history. Isn't the idea of the point system each dangerous incident gets a point or two, but only by having heaps of points are you actually penalised? Thus having its own way of taking history into account.

I'm never raced on the tarmac, so can't pass judgement if the incident itself was dangerous (would be fine on dirt, but the speeds there make it look dangerous to my eye), but most of what is being said is well it was sort of dangerous but we will let him off cos last lap/new season/good tv...

[cmoore]

the argument that he didn't go down so therefore no penalty is an issue, maybe if it had been another less skilful rider they would have gone down...doesn't change the action that caused it.....but then again if you throw a punch at someone and it misses you don't get charged with assult, if you hit them you do....the action was the same....if you push someone and they have good reactions and save themselves..nothing...if you push someone and they fall and hit their head and die...manslaughter....same action that caused it.....just saying.....the action was the same, we all react differently depending on the outcome....not 100% convinced that is right...understandable but not right...if your involved with H&S....you spend all your time looking for the root cause of an accident...I think the reason the bikes hit was because MM went into the corner too fast and didn't leave room for JL to react...the outcome could have been many things including a crash ( to either or both)an over run by MM...etc....was it wrong? maybe..:) . does it spice up the season..hell yes.

[sugilite]

Every angle I've seen has me believing Jorge would of know MM was there and he then took too little to late action. End off imho.

[cmoore]

just read crutchlows comments on their bike issues this weekend....I have no idea why poms are known for moaning about stuff...:(

[merv]

Every angle I've seen has me believing Jorge would of know MM was there and he then took too little to late action. End off imho.

Exactly suglite, and Mike Webb has it right. I didn't see Mike make comparison to other laps of the race as others above have said, he compared it to free practice laps and not even to qualifying laps.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Did anyone else here just watch FP3? MM smoked them...and there was some unreal slowmo replays man. The guy is a freak.

[cmoore]

MM again takes pole...very close though....Dovi takes third....Rossi eight.......Pedrosa crashes.....weather might be changable.....can't wait for the race....

[merv]

Dovi is doing well lol.

[cmoore]

he has and i'm sure all the ducati people will love it...but as we all know a one off lap doesn't mean a lot in the race...but if it rains...than he has every chance

[BMWST?]

i am beginning to think that dovi and his team are very good at setting up a bike,and that maybe rossi and Burgess arent as good as we thought.Perhaps the M1 wasnt such a dog when he actually got his hands on it.

[pritch]

The Ducati team people say that the Ducati is at less of a disadvantage at LeMans because of the slower corners. Still, Dovi did good and the team initially looked to be in shock at his time.

Rossi won't just be pissed off at being on the third row after a promising start to the weekend, he'll be pissed off about Dovi being on the front row. Hope he can clear all of that out of his head before the start.

Now we just have to wait and see what the weather brings.

[Mental Trousers]

I want to see Rossi win this season because I reckon he's still got a few wins in him yet. But I want to see Dovi win a race this season even more :laugh:

[denill]

he has and i'm sure all the ducati people will love it...but as we all know a one off lap doesn't mean a lot in the race...but if it rains...than he has every chance

I don't think Vale is a wet race specialist - it was more like, a wet race allowed the Ducati and Vale get on even terms with the rest of the field.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If Dovi beats Rossi just once this year...to me...the whole Rossi is the best/goat/man whatever will go up in a huge puff of smoke.

[Drew]

If Dovi beats Rossi just once this year...to me...the whole Rossi is the best/goat/man whatever will go up in a huge puff of smoke.I dunno. Did Rossi ever put the Ducati in front of Dovi on the Honda?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I dunno. Did Rossi ever put the Ducati in front of Dovi on the Honda?

Rossi finished 2nd at Le Mans last year in the wet so beat a lot of people. But that's hardly the point. In 2011 when Dovi was Honda mounted he seriously handed Rossi his arse on a plate. Next question.

[Reckless]

Maybe Rossi just don't have it no more, its lookin that way so far? The rain might be an advantage for him??

Most impressed with Crutchlow, dumped on his ass in a big way, can't walk that well and he qualifies 4th.
Mind you if he doesn't start staying upright from here on in he'll stuff his season?

Between the crashes and the surprise Ducati's the qualifying is damn near as exciting as the racing :)

[Drew]

Rossi finished 2nd at Le Mans last year in the wet so beat a lot of people. But that's hardly the point. In 2011 when Dovi was Honda mounted he seriously handed Rossi his arse on a plate. Next question.

I'm just trying to keep some perspective. Rossi is handing it to Dovi so far this year too.

The Ducati is the problem obviously. Stoner was the only guy that could ride the thing.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm just trying to keep some perspective. Rossi is handing it to Dovi so far this year too.

.

Here's some perspective for ya. Rossi is on one of the best bikes there is...he's not once this year managed to beat his own team mate who happenes to be on the very same bike. He's been beaten by a guy on a Satelite version of his bike already, and barely out qualified Bradley fucking Smith last night. And unless it rains...it ain't looking good from his *perspective*. Don't get me wrong...I'd love to see him win races. But that's not my question. My question is...is the Rossi *bubble* gonna get well and truly burst this year? If so...on top of the Ducati debacle...I think it's safe to say that he's very lucky Lorenzo, Stoner MM etc etc weren't around at the same time as he was. Else I doubt very much he'd have his 7 premier titles. But hey...the same could be said for Doohan etc.

[bogan]

If Dovi beats Rossi just once this year...to me...the whole Rossi is the best/goat/man whatever will go up in a huge puff of smoke.

GOAT and greatest racer have been distanced by the media spin, I wouldn't be too concerned with who gets what title. I'd like to see Rossi win a few more because he makes for entertaining racing. But speaking of 'goat' MM has got jorge's goat now, and that should make for some entertaining races too.

[pritch]

Stoner was the only guy that could ride the thing.

True. Once Audi have a had a chance to get the bike sorted things might change. Not being an engineer it's hard to say, but I can't help but feel it'll take a major redesign to get that thing to steer. Something like moving that drive sprocket forward about a foot?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'd like to see Rossi win a few more because he makes for entertaining racing. But speaking of 'goat' MM has got jorge's goat now, and that should make for some entertaining races too.

Me too for that very reason. And you're not wrong there.


True. Once Audi have a had a chance to get the bike sorted things might change. Not being an engineer it's hard to say, but I can't help but feel it'll take a major redesign to get that thing to steer.

Aye. Once again...only goes to show how good Stoner actually was. Such a loss to the sport...especially now MM has arrived. Watching him qualify last night...it was like watching Stoner all over again. Rides the thing so the same way I reckon. But we need about ten of them doing the same...not just one per season!

[cmoore]

its also fair to point out that the ducati should get better at some point...if they are working hard to fix the issues...so i would expect ducati to get there...and if Dovi is on it when they do then rossi had better look out...and I am a big Yamaha fan...I was of the opinion you shouldn't go backwards, but willing to give rossi a chance... so far he has not been where he wants to be or the team wants to be...still early days....3 in..15 to go, he is fourth now and maybe that is ok, maybe they expect MM to crash out at least once...

[Drew]

I don't disagree mate. The Rossi phenomenon has followers who cannot see the forest for the trees.

He was the best at the time, and just like Ago's did, his records will be beaten. GOAT is simply not attainable, the goal posts are an ever changing thing to start with.

[Crasherfromwayback]

its also fair to point out that the ducati should get better at some point...if they are working hard to fix the issues...so i would expect ducati to get there...and if Dovi is on it when they do then rossi had better look out....

You'd hope so eh. It'd be a crying shame if they (Ducati) left the sport because they couldn't get competitive. And I'm a huge Dovi fan. I think he's got the sharp end of the stick a fair few times...so be good to see him have a goodin.

[pritch]

...and I am a big Yamaha fan...

And I was thinking that avatar was a red herring. :Oops:

[cmoore]

what a choice these guys have eh...stay with a satellite bike or go for a factory bike which isn't performing....depends on whether you enjoy moaning or want to control your own destiny....

as for Rossi and Lorenzo....do they really have the same bike??...will Rossi be looking over the wall for some advice??....how can two bikes the "same" be performing so differently...having said that, they are third and fourth...14 points apart...so maybe they arn't that far apart...it just seems that way..Rossi 2,6,4....Lorenzo 1,3,3

[cmoore]

And I was thinking that avatar was a red herring. :Oops:

Red herring is an English-language idiom, a logical fallacy that misleads or detracts from the issue.[1] It is also a literary device that leads readers or characters towards a false conclusion, often used in mystery or detective fiction.

The origin of the expression has a number of theories. Conventional wisdom has long attributed it to a technique of training hounds to follow a scent, or of distracting hounds during a fox hunt, but modern linguistic research suggests that it was most likely a literary device invented in 1807 by English polemicist William Cobbett, and never an actual practice of hunters. The phrase was later borrowed to provide a formal name for the logical fallacy, and is also a formal name for a literary device or technique

[cmoore]

A top 5 in any race this season?? You're on.

Top 4 for the year will be Marquez, Lorenzo, Pedrossa and Rossi with Crutchlow in fifth. Only way that's not going to happen is if one of them gets smashed up in an accident. There's no odds there.

Smith Qualifies ninth.....your top 5 bet is looking safe so far..:)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Smith Qualifies ninth.....your top 5 bet is looking safe so far..:)

You reckon? I'm feeling pretty safe so far. Good about my *other* bet too...

[cmoore]

You reckon? I'm feeling pretty safe so far. Good about my *other* bet too...

I must have said it wrong...I meant smith still looks no closer to a top five and therfore you bet is safe...

[Mental Trousers]

Smith Qualifies ninth.....your top 5 bet is looking safe so far..:)

4th race out of 18 and you think anything at all is safe?? You're mad.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I must have said it wrong...I meant smith still looks no closer to a top five and therfore you bet is safe...

I see. Sorry...thought you were telling MT he was safe.


4th race out of 18 and you think anything at all is safe?? You're mad.

I'm REAL thirsty mate...

[cmoore]

well no but thanks anyway...he has a chance if the eight people in front of him crash...

[BMWST?]

well no but thanks anyway...he has a chance if the eight people in front of him crash...

To put this in perspective last year cc qualified 8th so I can't see why everyone is so down on smith.It is his 4th meeting on the thing,surely we should cut him the same slack as Mr V.Rossi,it's only his 4th time on the Yamaha too,it must take a little time even for him to get back to the top level
So I reckon that not only will mr Rossi improve but also Bradley Smith will start to regularly populate the top ten and will finish a few times in the top 6 and at least once in the top 5

[Crasherfromwayback]

To put this in perspective last year cc qualified 8th so I can't see why everyone is so down on smith.It is his 4th meeting on the thing,surely we should cut him the same slack as Mr V.Rossi,it's only his 4th time on the Yamaha too,it must take a little time even for him to get back to the top level
So I reckon that not only will mr Rossi improve but also Bradley Smith will start to regularly populate the top ten and will finish a few times in the top 6 and at least once in the top 5

Dude...Moto GP is THE pinnacle of motorcycle racing. Bradley Smith has done exactly what to deserve what is possibly one of the best seats outside of a full factory ride? If you want to use the word perspective...how did Casey Stoner go in his first year on a sat bike...when tyres were VERY diff between factory teams and sat teams? Hey...he's obviously a very talented racer...no one gets as far as he has other wise...but Moto GP? Really? Sorry. There are lots of racers I think would deserve his seat well before I picked him.

[cmoore]

To put this in perspective last year cc qualified 8th so I can't see why everyone is so down on smith.It is his 4th meeting on the thing,surely we should cut him the same slack as Mr V.Rossi,it's only his 4th time on the Yamaha too,it must take a little time even for him to get back to the top level
So I reckon that not only will mr Rossi improve but also Bradley Smith will start to regularly populate the top ten and will finish a few times in the top 6 and at least once in the top 5

on that assumption they will all improve...meaning the top six (JL, VR, DP, MM, AD, NH) will get better...which gives smith even less chance of making top five in a race

[Mental Trousers]

I'm REAL thirsty mate...

You'll be even thirstier when you send me beer bro.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You'll be even thirstier when you send me beer bro.

Like fuck. You're going down quicker than Rossi's reputation.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Intradesting...

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/2013/FRA/MotoGP/WUP

[cmoore]

Intradesting...

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/2013/FRA/MotoGP/WUP

because?..

[BMWST?]

Dude...Moto GP is THE pinnacle of motorcycle racing. Bradley Smith has done exactly what to deserve what is possibly one of the best seats outside of a full factory ride? If you want to use the word perspective...how did Casey Stoner go in his first year on a sat bike...when tyres were VERY diff between factory teams and sat teams? Hey...he's obviously a very talented racer...no one gets as far as he has other wise...but Moto GP? Really? Sorry. There are lots of racers I think would deserve his seat well before I picked him.

That may be so,but he is there for whatever reason.Casey was very fast from the off but he crashed(a lot).I still say he deserves this season to impress us(or not).In a similar vein WTF is Colin Edwards there for?

[Crasherfromwayback]

because?..

Because there are some names there now it's wet that you don't normally see up there that's why.


That may be so,but he is there for whatever reason.Casey was very fast from the off but he crashed(a lot).I still say he deserves this season to impress us(or not).In a similar vein WTF is Colin Edwards there for?

As they say mate....you can get a fast guy to stop crashing...much harder to make a slow guy that doesn't crash go fast.

[cmoore]

[QUOTE=Crasherfromwayback;1130548811]Because there are some names there now it's wet that you don't normally see up there that's why.


WOW!

[Mental Trousers]

Like fuck. You're going down quicker than Rossi's reputation.

14 races bro. You only need to lose once whereas I have to lose 14 times!! Crutchlow bangs himself up a bit more, Bradl's front end gets worse instead of better, Marquez goes for the high jump record, plus who knows what other mishaps and the skinny, pasty, bald guy's in with a grin.

[Crasherfromwayback]

WOW!

So terribly sorry you don't find such things interesting mate. No doubt due to your incredible intellect and awesome racing experience. Some of us simple folk do though.

[Crasherfromwayback]

14 races bro. .

Give you time to save up then eh!

[cmoore]

another good win to maverick, he is getting better

[Crasherfromwayback]

another good win to maverick, he is getting better

WOW.:msn-wink:

[cmoore]

So terribly sorry you don't find such things interesting mate. No doubt due to your incredible intellect and awesome racing experience. Some of us simple folk do though.

here i was thinking i had just asked why you found it interesting, and for that you feel the need to write that sort of shit. I can only assume you misunderstood the question or the written word didn't accurately reflect my intent.

[Crasherfromwayback]

because?..



WOW!


here i was thinking i had just asked why you found it interesting, and for that you feel the need to write that sort of shit. I can only assume you misunderstood the question or the written word didn't accurately reflect my intent.

Sorry if I took your "because?" and "WOW" the wrong way. How did you mean "WOW" to be taken? *because*...it seemed to me like a 13 year old school girl having her first ever period type of sarcastic. And forgive me...but I'm programmed to mirror people I deal with.

[cmoore]

ok, thanks for that, can we move on or is this more interesting than the racing?

[Crasherfromwayback]

ok, thanks for that, can we move on or is this more interesting than the racing?

Prefer you to tell me how I should've taken your WOW comment actually. Am I wrong?

[Mental Trousers]

....And forgive me...but I'm programmed to mirror people I deal with.

Is that why you're a prick ........ oh hey, wait :facepalm:

[SPman]

Interesting race.....Marquez spending the first few laps figuring out how his bike handles the wet, then going for it. Congrats to Cal on his second. I reckon Rossi will hang up his leathers at the end of the year........

[trustme]

Go Danni, MM is the coming thing . People think he may be the first rookie champ since KR , the difference is that KR was an extremely experienced & battle hardened racer prior to arriving on the GP scene, MM still has a bit to learn so consistancy may be his problem this year

[neckford]

and cal is going to win a race

[Kendog]

MM was clearly out of his comfort zone in the wet.
But holy shit, not only did he stay on the bike and finish the race, he got a podium and was rapidly closing on second place.

Credit to Danni, he rode a very good race and to Cal and Dovi.
But MM is the reason I am excited watching these races and the season unfold.

[nudemetalz]

Great to see a Duke finally battling at the front !! Awesome race,..and I wonder if Marquez is going to just be too much for Rossi this season. He's really flying along now. JLo burn his wets out too early?

[carbonhed]

What a nerve racking race! Well done Pedro... wasn't many seasons ago when he hated wet races. Awesome ride by Cal... no mistakes which hopefully will be a milestone. Dovi was brilliant, gutted he missed out on a podium but Marquez is just extraordinary... every excursion en route to disaster and still podiums! Lorenzo looks worried and Rossi blows his best chance to beat his teammate yet.

Congrats to Scott Redding on his first Moto2 victory... going from in control to hanging on by the skin of his teeth when the rain came... nerve shredding.

[wysper]

I reckon Rossi will hang up his leathers at the end of the year........

I think you could be right SPman, is he on a two year deal?

Sadly, I think in sport of tenths or hundreths of a second and millimeters, he is on the wrong side of it now.
I think he has lost his mystique too, the other riders aren't afraid of him any more.

And that makes me sad, because I am big Rossi fan, and I don't think I will see him on the top step this year.

[denill]

Another thing from Le Mans was - Crutchlow was the first Yamaha...................

With results like that he's entitiled to say what he thinks. :msn-wink:

[denill]

Some of you guys here may be interested in the <a href=http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/158730-Courtney-Duncan-news> :Kiwi girl who done good on the weekend in the USA:</a>

And seems wiill feature on TV tonight:niceone:

[pritch]

JLo burn his wets out too early?

He says he had a faulty tyre, Rossi said he had one in qualifying, but Bridgestone say no, nothing wrong with their tyres. Of course.
George says he felt like he was going to fall every corner, and he's been around a few so he'd know. On balance I'm inclined to believe his story rather than the Bridgestone PR speak.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He says he had a faulty tyre, Rossi said he had one in qualifying, but Bridgestone say no, nothing wrong with their tyres. Of course.
George says he felt like he was going to fall every corner, and he's been around a few so he'd know. On balance I'm inclined to believe his story rather than the Bridgestone PR speak.

It does happen for sure. I've had two duds in my time.

[roogazza]

http://www.paddockchatter.com/2013/05/rossi-i-felt-bump-and-lost-front.html
Haven't seen the race yet, maybe next Sun if I'm lucky. Sounds like there were some unusual results apart from the two Honda boys that is? Water, the great leveller.

[BMWST?]

Hi all,

I'm looking at going to Phillip Island for the GP in October. Last time I went was in 2010 and this time i want to see if i can go (with probably 2 others at this stage) and work as a track Marshal.

I know this has been done in the past, i remember seeing the application form in the Vic Club Oily Rag some years ago. Does anyone know someone who has done it and the channels to go through? short of e-mailing Motorcycling Australia directly google hasn't really helped me much further.

I don't know what qualifications they do or don't require but i do have plenty of experience doing bike recovery and flagging here in NZ here.

Any leads in the right direction or someone to contact would be greatly appreciated :)

Cheers

Paddy

PM sent with some info!

[codgyoleracer]

http://www.paddockchatter.com/2013/05/rossi-i-felt-bump-and-lost-front.html
Haven't seen the race yet, maybe next Sun if I'm lucky. Sounds like there were some unusual results apart from the two Honda boys that is? Water, the great leveller.

Haha, Yeah so after 17 laps hes running in fourth place - At this level that doesnt sound like leather hanging time to me........

Markezz seems to be from the planet Zog though.....

[roogazza]

Haha, Yeah so after 17 laps hes running in fourth place - At this level that doesnt sound like leather hanging time to me........

Markezz seems to be from the planet Zog though.....

Planet zog !! lol.
I'm off in a week so I look forward to listening to the goss first hand.
Hard to believe Vale is the old man of the field at 34, he should come over to NZ, he'd be a youngster here, huh Codge ??? :laugh:

[codgyoleracer]

Planet zog !! lol.
I'm off in a week so I look forward to listening to the goss first hand.
Hard to believe Vale is the old man of the field at 34, he should come over to NZ, he'd be a youngster here, huh Codge ??? :laugh:

Yeah i could give him the learn on important stuff at the track like where the hotdog stand is etc......

[Crasherfromwayback]

Least I got the race winner correct if not the others...

[denill]

Another thing from Le Mans was - Crutchlow was the first Yamaha...................

<a href=http://motomatters.com/news/2013/05/20/randy_de_puniet_testing_suzuki_motogp_bi.html>A works ride for Cal?</a>

[DidJit]

Silly season already, eh? ;)

Kevin Cameron reckons it’s time Yamaha ups its game (http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/05/20/le-mans-motogp-race-wrap-up/?src=SOC&dom=tw).

[speights_bud]

PM sent with some info!

Cheers :) 10 char

[Drew]

I reckon Rossi will hang up his leathers at the end of the year........

I don't think so.

I really wish Suzuki would put him, and Dovi on next years bikes. Rossi to get it sorted a bit, and Dovi to put the thing in the winners circle for teh first time in how long?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I really wish Suzuki would put him, and Dovi on next years bikes. Rossi to get it sorted a bit, and Dovi to put the thing in the winners circle for teh first time in how long?

I'm starting to think Rossi's prowess in setting up a bike might be a bit of a Dukie story...I mean he put a wall up between himself and Lorenzo when Lorenzo was only a boy. Lorenzo ended up getting the very same bike Rossi was riding to work better for him. Rossi went to Ducati and did what? He's now back on the very same bike Lorenzo has...and guess what? Hes struggling with setup issues etc... Mmmmm.

[Drew]

I'm starting to think Rossi's prowess in setting up a bike might be a bit of a Dukie story...I mean he put a wall up between himself and Lorenzo when Lorenzo was only a boy. Lorenzo ended up getting the very same bike Rossi was riding to work better for him. Rossi went to Ducati and did what? He's now back on the very same bike Lorenzo has...and guess what? Hes struggling with setup issues etc... Mmmmm.Possibly.

It's also possible he was playing head games by putting the wall up. Rather than for fear of the young fella. It cannot be denied that he and Burgess climbed on a bike that wasn't competitive and made it win after all.

Now, I think Rossi has lost his mongrel to some extent for whatever reason. He's still got the goods, and we've seen glimpses of it this season, but he isn't willing to take the risks he once did.

I tend to ignore the Ducati results really. I think it was a massive shot to the ego for the team, not to be able to get it sorted. I can't help but wonder if they didn't just give up and ride out his time on the bike.

There can be no question, he will make a better test/set up rider than de Puniet for Suzuki.

[roogazza]

I'm starting to think Rossi's prowess in setting up a bike might be a bit of a Dukie story...I mean he put a wall up between himself and Lorenzo when Lorenzo was only a boy. Lorenzo ended up getting the very same bike Rossi was riding to work better for him. Rossi went to Ducati and did what? He's now back on the very same bike Lorenzo has...and guess what? Hes struggling with setup issues etc... Mmmmm.

Looked at the time of your post, you were having a Steinlager huh ? lol. Hope the foot is coming good.
As a fan those two years were tough too. Still not convinced yet either. The other half spoke maybe words of wisdom couple of nights ago, when she suggested Vale may still affected by the death of his mate Marco ? If that's the case maybe the .5 % missing can't come back ?
I like Drew's post,that he still has it, just hope the hiccups go soon.

[Mental Trousers]

I'm starting to think Rossi's prowess in setting up a bike might be a bit of a Dukie story...I mean he put a wall up between himself and Lorenzo when Lorenzo was only a boy. Lorenzo ended up getting the very same bike Rossi was riding to work better for him. Rossi went to Ducati and did what? He's now back on the very same bike Lorenzo has...and guess what? Hes struggling with setup issues etc... Mmmmm.

Things certainly aren't going Rossi's way recently. However, I certainly wouldn't go writing the guy off. I'd still put money on the guy to win a race before the end of the season.

At Le Mans he showed that he turns it up for the race. He was pushing on and got through to 3rd (I think) before he overcooked it and had a lie down.

But the qualifying doesn't suit him at all as he'd normally do his best time around the 3rd or 4th lap, whereas the new qualifying they only get a couple of flying laps.

I've no doubt that Jorge is the better rider. But Rossi is the better competitor, he goes harder, doesn't get intimidated by anyone and knows the head space game.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I've no doubt that Jorge is the better rider. But Rossi is the better competitor, he goes harder, doesn't get intimidated by anyone and knows the head space game.

Yeah bit hard to get into the head of someone that's not scared of you anymore though eh! Last person he rattled was Stoner at Laguna Seca I reckon.

[imdying]

But Rossi is the better competitor, he goes harder, doesn't get intimidated by anyone and knows the head space game.I believe you're thinking of pre 'the fall' Rossi.

[Mental Trousers]

Yeah bit hard to get into the head of someone that's not scared of you anymore though eh! Last person he rattled was Stoner at Laguna Seca I reckon.

He's only going to be able to pick on the newbies like Smith now. Jorge just brushes him off, Pedro has always ignored him, Marquez gets on a bike and goes "KAWABUNGAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" (the Spanish equivalent), Crutchlow's too arrogant to play the game, Bradl has his own problems, Bautista is too busy trying to keep his ride and the boys at Ducati are keeping their distance.

So there's nobody to play mind games with at the moment.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So there's nobody to play mind games with at the moment.

Looks a bit that way mate.

[codgyoleracer]

Bike, tyre, suspension control and electronics development is at such a level now that it almost seems like the bikes cannot be ridden the old-skool rough-house way in many respects. For instance when guys like Ben Spies / Crutchlow etc come from SBK with a "forcefull steering style" it takes them a while to learn what makes these current GP bikes tick off fast consistent laps.
I would argue that Stoner still holds the mantle of being the most naturally agressive rider (to the bike) of the recent crop - and it seemed to work well for him.......
MM also appears willing to ride "beyond the black-box in the back comprehension" as well.

[codgyoleracer]

Looks a bit that way mate.

95% of that shit is the media needing something to print and sell magazines.....

[Crasherfromwayback]

I would argue that Stoner still holds the mantle of being the most naturally agressive rider (to the bike) of the recent crop - and it seemed to work well for him.......
MM also appears willing to ride "beyond the black-box in the back comprehension" as well.

Yeah it's been said by many that they've gotta be rideen like a large 250 GP bike...and as you say, only really Stoner and MM have shown it's not the only way. Rossi is certainly able to if he'd like to too I reckon. Maybe just over hospital food at his age.


95% of that shit is the media needing something to print and sell magazines.....

Yeah but keeps us (well me anyway) entertained in the times between races eh!

[roogazza]

Rossi is certainly able to if he'd like to too I reckon. Maybe just over hospital food at his age.

Just watched the French GP, the first for the year ! (Thanks Sinful, all that stuff worked )
I think I'll take my doubts back !
Barring the slip off he was right there !
Some special wet performances as I guessed , but hopefully back to our normal station for the next round.

Go Vale !

[Reckless]

I'm a Rossi fan but I have my doubts from the last races?
I dunno if he has it he just seems a few tenths off and now he's on the yammy we know its not the Bike?

He couldn't keep up in the previous Gp's and he fell pushing himself to hard in the wet where he was always one of the very best. Love to see him get #10 tittle, or even a win but I simply cant see it in his riding so far this season? especially with this fail in the wet?

Sorry Rossi prove me wrong please :)

Secondly I don't think he should quit either I don't have a problem with a racer climbing up through the ranks then drifting back through as long as he still loves his racing.

[Drew]

I'm a Rossi fan but I have my doubts from the last races?
I dunno if he has it he just seems a few tenths off and now he's on the yammy we know its not the Bike?

He couldn't keep up in the previous Gp's and he fell pushing himself to hard in the wet where he was always one of the very best. Love to see him get #10 tittle, or even a win but I simply cant see it in his riding so far this season? especially with this fail in the wet?

Sorry Rossi prove me wrong please :)

Secondly I don't think he should quit either I don't have a problem with a racer climbing up through the ranks then drifting back through as long as he still loves his racing.
Ummm, opening GP this season. Rossi was the fastest guy on track for pretty much the whole second half of the race.

[Reckless]

Ummm, opening GP this season. Rossi was the fastest guy on track for pretty much the whole second half of the race.

I take your point Drew :)
Hopefully he can repeat it again. I really think he is one of the goat's.
His humour, head games and pure skill over 9 championships. Waiting and hoping with baited breath but..........??

[pritch]

Read an article recently that said Yamaha need to change the M1. Having been tailored to Jorge it now favours high corner speed to the extent that it can't do anything else. On a track that doesn't favour high corner speed both Rossi and Jorge will have problems the Honda being more suitable to point and squirt.

[codgyoleracer]

Read an article recently that said Yamaha need to change the M1. Having been tailored to Jorge it now favours high corner speed to the extent that it can't do anything else. On a track that doesn't favour high corner speed both Rossi and Jorge will have problems the Honda being more suitable to point and squirt.

Cue Jellywrestler with "point and squirt" joke.

[Maido]

Read an article recently that said Yamaha need to change the M1. Having been tailored to Jorge it now favours high corner speed to the extent that it can't do anything else. On a track that doesn't favour high corner speed both Rossi and Jorge will have problems the Honda being more suitable to point and squirt.

Kinda like how Honda developed a teeny bike for pedro instead of something good for both him and hayden?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Kinda like how Honda developed a teeny bike for pedro instead of something good for both him and hayden?

Unlike Ducati...who've developed a bike no cunt can ride!

[codgyoleracer]

Unlike Ducati...who've developed a bike no cunt can ride!

Never a truer word, except for that one C***that rode it soooo well aye

[merv]

Unlike Ducati...who've developed a bike no cunt can ride!

Lol, and some people still buy Ducati street bikes thinking they are superior to the plastic stuff.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lol, and some people still buy Ducati street bikes thinking they are superior to the plastic stuff.

Hey I dig Ducati's...but having worked in two diff Ducati dealerships over the years...I'd never own one unless I had way too much money. And that'll never happen.

[Drew]

Lol, and some people still buy Ducati street bikes thinking they are superior to the plastic stuff.Especially the new one...With ALL the failed technology from the early GP bike.

Good work Ducati, you are only slightly brighter than your die hard faithful clients.