MotoGP 2013

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yep. He's got the pace of JLo and pedro, bike skills like Stoner and racecraft/hunger like Rossi... scarey.

Indeed. He takes very similar lines to Stoner eh! But he's moved the goal posts again I reckon. I think he'll be a genuine title contender later this season if he keeps going like this. The other two will have a dnf each I would imagine.

[denill]

Yep. He's got the pace of JLo and pedro, bike skills like Stoner and racecraft/hunger like Rossi... scarey.

You've summed him up nicely...............

[roogazza]

Not much passing going on...but a great display by the top three regardless. Lorenzo bullied Pedro into turn one second race in a row. Not sure if Rossi would've beaten Crutchlow if he'd stayed onboard...may've made for a good scrap. MM had a huge moment and an awesome save late in the race. Bring on Assen! Oh...and should we start moaning about how good the Yamaha is yet? I mean...two races in a row? Not fair on the Honda guys right? Pfffft.

Thanks, by the times Rossi was off the top three by 1or2 sec at the end. But 5th was like 20 maybe more? I'll have to read the rider reports.
On the drag to the first corner and Horhay winning it, shows maybe the Yamaha is not that far off the Honda ? Unless Pedro muffed it that is ?
I did get 5 hours of BSB copied last night on ch54, just happened to spot it at 10pm.

[mulletman]

I did get 5 hours of BSB copied last night on ch54, just happened to spot it at 10pm.

Yep watched that , first time for me seeing racing at Knockhill with its wee humps and hills.

[steveyb]

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/192442/1/suzuki_announces_motogp_return_-_in_2015.html

[merv]

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/192442/1/suzuki_announces_motogp_return_-_in_2015.html

Slackers, what happened to 2014?

There's a pic of the bike over at Motomatters http://www.motomatters.com/news/2013/06/17/suzuki_officially_announce_return_to_mot.html

[Crasherfromwayback]

Slackers, what happened to 2014?

There's a pic of the bike over at Motomatters http://www.motomatters.com/news/2013/06/17/suzuki_officially_announce_return_to_mot.html

Looks great I reckon!

[Crasherfromwayback]

The frame spars are quite thin above the swingarm mounting point...

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2013/Suzuki+is+back+in+action

[steveyb]

The bike is already fast enough it would seem.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/192479/1/catalunya_motogp_test_times__monday_final.html

And it is a cross-plane engine if the sound is anything to go by.

[DidJit]

Test times (http://resources.motogp.com/files/testresults/MotoGP_Test__Catalunya_analysis_1.pdf?version=1371 485178) of all the riders’ laps... and Suzuki porn (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/suzuki-xrh-1-motogp-race-bike-photos/).

[carbonhed]

Free video at MotoGP.com

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2013/Follow+the+first+laps+Suzukis+MotoGP+bike+at+Catal unya

[Crasherfromwayback]

Test times (http://resources.motogp.com/files/testresults/MotoGP_Test__Catalunya_analysis_1.pdf?version=1371 485178) of all the riders’ laps... and Suzuki porn (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/suzuki-xrh-1-motogp-race-bike-photos/).

Looks great. Honda like in it's build quality!

[denill]

Test times (http://resources.motogp.com/files/testresults/MotoGP_Test__Catalunya_analysis_1.pdf?version=1371 485178) of all the riders’ laps... and Suzuki porn (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/suzuki-xrh-1-motogp-race-bike-photos/).

2015! Bugger....................... :weep:

BTW DePuniet is showing (again) that he's got the goods. ;)

[merv]

By 2015 they should be looking at someone like Luis Salom or Maverick Vinales to be riding it, not some old bloke like RdP or Spies or John Hopkins.

[roogazza]

By 2015 they should be looking at someone like Luis Salom or Maverick Vinales to be riding it, not some old bloke like RdP or Spies or John Hopkins.

Redding or Pol maybe ?
Or they could pay the bucks and get MM !!!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

By 2015 they should be looking at someone like Luis Salom or Maverick Vinales to be riding it, not some old bloke like RdP or Spies or John Hopkins.


Redding or Pol maybe ?
Or they could pay the bucks and get MM !!!!!

Get Stoner back to ride the thing. He'll only be 29. Then he could do what Rossi couldn't...win the title on THREE diff brands!:corn:

[sugilite]

Typical Suzuki factory. They are only 3/4 second off the pace, but want to fart arse around until 2015. Will be another low as possible commitment attempt me thinks. Sigh.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Typical Suzuki factory. They are only 3/4 second off the pace, but want to fart arse around until 2015. Will be another low as possible commitment attempt me thinks. Sigh.

Yeah seems a bit odd when they're that close to the front bikes now eh. The goal posts will only keep moving!

[Kendog]

My 2015 line up:

MM and Stoner on Suzuki
Lorenzo and Crutchlow on Yamaha
Pedrosa and Dovi on Honda
Hayden and ? on Ducati

MM will be defending his 2014 title on the new bike.
Stoner will be trying for titles on three different bikes.
Pedrosa will still be trying to win his first title.

[merv]

Yeah seems a bit odd when they're that close to the front bikes now eh. The goal posts will only keep moving!

Yep and best way to improve is to be right in there - sure as hell works for the top two Jap brands.

I'm sure Honda learn more there in R&D than if they tried to run programmes just testing its own stuff against itself and no doubt it can get written off across more than one department depending on what they are testing.

[DidJit]

Some answers (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2013/06/18/2013_barcelona_post_race_test_round_up_a.html) to your questions.

[sil3nt]

Whats this inline 4 crap all about. Need some more v4s :yes:

[merv]

Whats this inline 4 crap all about. Need some more v4s :yes:

You got it :woohoo:

[Mental Trousers]

By 2015 they should be looking at someone like Luis Salom or Maverick Vinales to be riding it, not some old bloke like RdP or Spies or John Hopkins.

Waste of time putting a new kid on a new bike and expecting to turn both into a race winner.

A two rider team with one older, experienced guy to develop the bike and a fast kid to develop along with the bike is the best set up.

[denill]

Redding or Pol maybe ?
Or they could pay the bucks and get MM !!!!!

Yes Merv & Gaz, that's how it will be - except I doubt Suzuki could afford MM. :yes:

[denill]

Some answers (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2013/06/18/2013_barcelona_post_race_test_round_up_a.html) to your questions.

Poor Dorna or is it just MSMA, can't get it right.

"The difficulties faced by Suzuki point to the madness of the rules imposed by the MSMA on the series. Remaining competitive at this level with just 20 liters of fuel is a Herculean task, and one which requires vast amounts of time and effort to achieve. The fuel rules demanded by the current MotoGP factories are effectively functioning as a barrier to entry to any new manufacturers interested in the class, and preventing new factories from coming in. As a way of limiting competition in MotoGP, fuel limits are an excellent tool. It is much easier to win championships when your rivals simply cannot afford to compete, but this also debases the nature of competition. It effectively allows factories to buy MotoGP titles, by pricing everyone else out of the sport."

[Tony.OK]

My 2015 line up:

MM and Stoner on Suzuki
Lorenzo and Crutchlow on Yamaha
Pedrosa and Dovi on Honda
Hayden and ? on Ducati

MM will be defending his 2014 title on the new bike.
Stoner will be trying for titles on three different bikes.
Pedrosa will still be trying to win his first title.

Better insert Redding in there somewhere, my pick for an up and coming ALIEN!! He should've had the wasted ride that is Smith.

[Drew]

Marc Marquez, and Stoner would make a formidable team on the Suzuki. MM watches the other guy, and does the same. Stoner just gets on and rides the wheels off a machine.

Suzuki will be the next Ducati if that is how it goes down however.

[roogazza]

Get Stoner back to ride the thing. He'll only be 29. Then he could do what Rossi couldn't...win the title on THREE diff brands!:corn:

Stoner !!! He was that Australian guy wsn't he ?
History mate , gone fishing or driving a commodore or something ? haha
be nice for me tho, to have him come back and not be good enough . lol Nah gone! :corn::corn:

[Badjelly]

Marc Marquez, and Stoner would make a formidable team on the Suzuki. MM watches the other guy, and then does it even better. Stoner just gets on and rides the wheels off a machine.

Fixed it for ya.

[Drew]

Fucked my own mother for ya.

Ya what? :nya:

[denill]

<A href=http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/8810945/Sky-loses-rights-to-English-Premier-League>American-based Kiwi entrepreneur Craig Heatley is believed to have teamed up with another prominent New Zealand businessman to form '818', an alternative sporting channel to Sky Television. </A>

Maybe, just maybe they will show MotoGP? ;)

[Mental Trousers]

<A href=http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/8810945/Sky-loses-rights-to-English-Premier-League>American-based Kiwi entrepreneur Craig Heatley is believed to have teamed up with another prominent New Zealand businessman to form '818', an alternative sporting channel to Sky Television. </A>

Maybe, just maybe they will show MotoGP? ;)

Hope it succeeds. Fuck SKY!!

[roogazza]

<A href=http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/8810945/Sky-loses-rights-to-English-Premier-League>American-based Kiwi entrepreneur Craig Heatley is believed to have teamed up with another prominent New Zealand businessman to form '818', an alternative sporting channel to Sky Television. </A>

Maybe, just maybe they will show MotoGP? ;)

That's what we're needing Bill, choice ! monopoly has been great for sky, they just please themselves and rake it in..
I mean I'll watch an AB game but this 27 replays is a joke when there is a designated Rugby channel.
Imagine a bike channel ? (dreams are free huh ?)

[pritch]

I wouldn’t wish to be considered a fickle fan but I was getting seriously worried about Mr Rossi. Not to the point where I’d consider changing my avatar though… :whistle:

Big things were expected at Mugello but didn’t eventuate due to the first lap crash. OK, we could look forward to Barcelona. No thanks to Bautista but Rossi did survive the first few laps, but it was sad watching him follow the other aliens around a second or two adrift.
Many people seem to think he has lost it. I’d prefer to invoke the saying, “Form is temporary but class is permanent.” With the exception of Qatar though there has been no form for over two years now.

Rossi and Crutchlow have both reported difficulty stopping and turning the M1 with a full tank. Thus adds just a “tenth of a tenth” when it rears its head but it’s unrealistic to give Lorenzo and Pedro a head start. Lorenzo has reportedly been trialling a different fuel tank designed to change the weight distribution.

Rossi has found a better setting for the forks at this week’s test. Lorenzo has extended the length of the bike while Rossi was away. Rossi prefers the extra feel he gets from the shorter wheelbase. Here’s hoping these adjustments work because as Pete pointed out the excuses are wearing thin…

Honda are copping flak for their latest Moto3 efforts. Their bikes are not competitive with the KTMs or even with the Mahindras. So Honda want a rev limit imposed. If you can’t beat them, change the rules?

[pritch]

Hope it succeeds. Fuck SKY!!

On TV they were talking as if it was going to be a pay per view thing. Also the Internet was mentioned as were mobile devices.
Who knows where all that is leading? It should happen soon though as they've outlaid money and will be wanting a return?

[denill]

On TV they were talking as if it was going to be a pay per view thing. Also the Internet was mentioned as were mobile devices.
Who knows where all that is leading? It should happen soon though as they've outlaid money and will be wanting a return?

1 - My guess is its Internet. That's the future
2 - For sure pay. That's how it is

[Mental Trousers]

On TV they were talking as if it was going to be a pay per view thing. Also the Internet was mentioned as were mobile devices.
Who knows where all that is leading? It should happen soon though as they've outlaid money and will be wanting a return?

I'd be surprised if it wasn't paid. However, an alternative to SKY is most definitely welcome.

[pritch]

The general drift was that if you wanted to watch a given soccer match it might cost $5.00 or whatever. I'd assume a variation in price depending on the importance of the match $5.00 or $10 to watch Manchester United play Chelsea? Or $2.00 to watch Sunderland play Tottenham?
FA Cup Final and the sky's the limit. (No pun intended.)

Meanwhile back on topic? ;)

[roogazza]

The general drift was that if you wanted to watch a given soccer match it might cost $5.00 or whatever. I'd assume a variation in price depending on the importance of the match $5.00 or $10 to watch Manchester United play Chelsea? Or $2.00 to watch Sunderland play Tottenham?
FA Cup Final and the sky's the limit. (No pun intended.)

Meanwhile back on topic? ;)

Look what Sky charge for for those pissy boxing matches like $39 isn't it? Then they have a lie down after 1 or 2 rounds and you have done your money.
But hey if it goes that way and you have to pay $5 or $10 for a GP I guess we have go with the flow.

[steveyb]

Honda are copping flak for their latest Moto3 efforts. Their bikes are not competitive with the KTMs or even with the Mahindras. So Honda want a rev limit imposed. If you can’t beat them, change the rules?

HRC have recently made the play that the bike they have designed and built is one for all racers, effectively to replace the RS125, not the "NSR125" (if there was actually an NSR125, hope you see my point). Therefore it has somewhat lower specs than the KTM.

While KTM have designed and built a bike to win world championships, the RSA125 replacement, if you like.

But while that might be so, it comes with the world championship winning price tag also. Orders can be taken for 45,000 Euros. And you are unlikely to get any spares with that, and it won't be the same spec as the "factory" team bikes (Team Red Bull Ajo).

The Honda is much more "affordable" at NZD around $30k or there abouts somewhere. But you still get no spares, the suspension is the same Showa stuff as on the RS125 and is only barely adequate for that sort of money (I know, upgrades are already available from various places, so it is true).

Honda teams are sending their engines to hop-up tuners in Italy and spending squillions.

Forget a piston for $200 as per your MX bike (even an aftermarket one). The piston price for the Honda from a tuning shop is anywhere from 800 Euros to over 1000 Euros. God help them with valves, rods etc etc.

There is already an RPM limit of 14k in the Moto3 rules. Honda want it reduced? How will that help them? The KTM will still make more power. I think only the TSR team in world champs is running a Honda/Honda now. Everyone else has a Kalex or FTR (or Suter???) chassis with the Honda (Engines Engineering) engine.

And who was it that said 4-strokes would make the racing affordable?

I know I am in the 4T game, but it isn't easy going. If only Aprilia had not cut their noses off to spite their faces with the prices and performance of the RSA125's I wonder if we would be going down this track now?

[spookytooth]

i would be very happy to pay $5.00 not to see a soccer match or golf :)

[codgyoleracer]

Look what Sky charge for for those pissy boxing matches like $39 isn't it? Then they have a lie down after 1 or 2 rounds and you have done your money.
But hey if it goes that way and you have to pay $5 or $10 for a GP I guess we have go with the flow.

I recall some boffin on CNN or somewhere proclaiming that in the not too distant future you willbe able to turn your computer (TV) on and watch any program being shown on any station anywhere in the world, all for the cost of your monthly broadband. Not only that , but any program that goes to air will stay on a server somewhere and be able to be viewed at any time via a simple search engine.
Thats the future.
Ive been told that Sky tried to negotitate as part of their "exclusive coverage" of moto gp that no on-line feed go out to the public, they didnt get their way , and the deal fell over.
Are the days of satelite TV coming to an end ? - my money is on that fact. Long live super-fast & super-cheap broadband where you can pay as you go and watch what you want whenever you want :-)

[pritch]

There was an interview with one of the people behind Colliseum Sports(?) and he gave pricing. Can't remember the exact details but it was in the region of $29 for a one day trial, $145.00 for a basic season pass, but the full on-demand package runs to about $245.

I guess they will want to get the news out as fast as they can. One interesting comment in answer to a question about lpeople exceeding their data quota, each match uses just 1GB.

[roogazza]

Are the days of satelite TV coming to an end ? - my money is on that fact. Long live super-fast & super-cheap broadband where you can pay as you go and watch what you want whenever you want :-)

My computer is puff'n a bit nowdays as its about 7 yrs old now.
I'm in need of an update. (more sheep or rams or something)
Fast broadband will help if in fact we ever get it.

[Drew]

My computer is puff'n a bit nowdays as its about 7 yrs old now.
I'm in need of an update. (more sheep or rams or something)
Fast broadband will help if in fact we ever get it.

I thought you could get Telstra cable broadband up your way too?

Worth the extra coin, if your currently plugged into an ancient cabinet with no where near enough capacity for the houses it serves.

Officer Mikey is a Telecom tech now, he told me all the above stuff.

[ecko_nzed]

I thought you could get Telstra cable broadband up your way too?

Worth the extra coin, if your currently plugged into an ancient cabinet with no where near enough capacity for the houses it serves.

Officer Mikey is a Telecom tech now, he told me all the above stuff.

Telecom launching VDSL2 soon, works over existing copper if your exchange is capable. Waaaaaay better speeds. streamed motoGP in high def the other night :)

[roogazza]

I thought you could get Telstra cable broadband up your way too?

Worth the extra coin, if your currently plugged into an ancient cabinet with no where near enough capacity for the houses it serves.

Officer Mikey is a Telecom tech now, he told me all the above stuff.

Nah bud I'm up a private road/lane and can't get the cable. I guess if the other eights houses wanted it they'd do it ? But it's next step' heaven' for them.

[Drew]

I guess if the other eights houses wanted it they'd do it ?
Only if you all paid for it.

You are welcome to dig a trench and lay some coax yourself though. How strong's your back these days?

[denill]

Those interested in the Internet Vs TV topic may be interested in reading (If they're not already) <a href=http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/159315-With-the-EPL-now-being-internet-only-in-NZ-will-MNZ-change>This Thread:</A>

[DidJit]

Silly season update (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2013/06/24/silly_season_update_scott_redding_s_pros.html)... Nice to see PB get a mention.

[denill]

Silly season update (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2013/06/24/silly_season_update_scott_redding_s_pros.html)... Nice to see PB get a mention.

Yes, it would be great to see Pete back with the big boys. ;)

[Drew]

Silly season update (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2013/06/24/silly_season_update_scott_redding_s_pros.html)... Nice to see PB get a mention.

Why the FUCK are Suzuki waiting till 2015 to come back.

Redding would surely take that over a Ducati, or leased bike.

[cmoore]

and I think Randy is a good rider but if they want the bike to get to the finish without crashing they may need someone else to race it.

[Drew]

and I think Randy is a good rider but if they want the bike to get to the finish without crashing they may need someone else to race it.

I'll become a Yamaha fan, if they get that poof to race the thing!

[speights_bud]

Why the FUCK are Suzuki waiting till 2015 to come back.

Had a chat with me boss at work about this today, we came to the conclusion that seeing how Suzuki are only testing, maybe they do not have to follow the competition rules?. Namely the fuel allowed per race. We thought that perhaps they have built a bike which handles well, but maybe there are underlying issues with getting the bike to make enough power to be competitive with the allowable fuel limits etc. Also, what tires etc have they been allowed to test on?

It is certainly very good PR to have the Suzuki engine matching similar speeds etc to the front runner boys, but how much gas did they have to pour into it to get it there...

[BMWST?]

Why the FUCK are Suzuki waiting till 2015 to come back.

Redding would surely take that over a Ducati, or leased bike.

cos dorna changed the rules again.In the first year suzuki will have to cover ALL their own costs with no subsidy from dorna,and as well as that they will have to buy all their tyres from bridgestone....This is how dorna got around the fact that the existing teams didnt "sell" their spots to the newcomers at a reasonable price.So dorna created 4 more spots but they are unassisted.I think from now on the unfunded spots go to the lowest finishing teams from the previous years championship.I cant remember where i saw this,but obviously it is a bit different to the existing set up that Suzuki were maybe expecting

[McWild]

A few months in advance, and I know it's been asked before, but has anyone been to the Indy GP?

Might have the chance to head there this year and want to know if it's worth heading to.

Even if you say it's crap I'll probably still go but it would be nice to have a few heads up!

[roogazza]

A few months in advance, and I know it's been asked before, but has anyone been to the Indy GP?

Might have the chance to head there this year and want to know if it's worth heading to.

Even if you say it's crap I'll probably still go but it would be nice to have a few heads up!

Not one I'd make the effort to attend McWild, I don't know if it's that popular with the riders either ?
But it's be interesting to hear what you think of it. My brother n law goes to those car meets like Indy and Nascar, said the crowds are incredible like 200 thousand just in the stands.
Don't think bikes should bother with it myself.

How long will the three yanks last in GPs ? Hayden,Spies and Edwards aren't likely to raise their game any further ?

[Oscar]

Not one I'd make the effort to attend McWild, I don't know if it's that popular with the riders either ?
But it's be interesting to hear what you think of it. My brother n law goes to those car meets like Indy and Nascar, said the crowds are incredible like 200 thousand just in the stands.
Don't think bikes should bother with it myself.

How long will the three yanks last in GPs ? Hayden,Spies and Edwards aren't likely to raise their game any further ?

I see that Thailand is seeking a MotoGP in 2015.
It will undoubtedly replace either a Spainish round or (more likely) an American one (probably Indy).

[McWild]

Not one I'd make the effort to attend McWild, I don't know if it's that popular with the riders either ?
But it's be interesting to hear what you think of it. My brother n law goes to those car meets like Indy and Nascar, said the crowds are incredible like 200 thousand just in the stands.
Don't think bikes should bother with it myself.

How long will the three yanks last in GPs ? Hayden,Spies and Edwards aren't likely to raise their game any further ?

Yeah to be completely honest Indy is my least favourite round on the calendar, usually tedious racing because the track layout is a bit bland and many dangers lie off of the racing line, and there's at least one injury. Just not sure when I'll get the chance to see a live event in the coming few years, and this is a season to remember already. The atmosphere around it in the city seems alright at least but that could just be the advertising.

[Mental Trousers]

Indy is different because those that go to watch the MotoGP are mostly true rev heads. They don't care if it's Nascar, MotoGP, lawnmower or motorized bar stool racing, if it's got an engine and wheels they want to see it race. That makes it unique because usually it's only motorcyclists that are interested in MotoGP. Even amongst motorcyclists there's divisions about which is the best to watch, whereas the Indy audience don't care.

[roogazza]

Yeah to be completely honest Indy is my least favourite round on the calendar, usually tedious racing because the track layout is a bit bland and many dangers lie off of the racing line, and there's at least one injury. Just not sure when I'll get the chance to see a live event in the coming few years, and this is a season to remember already. The atmosphere around it in the city seems alright at least but that could just be the advertising.

You have to see at least one and then you'll be back for sure.
I was humming and harring this year but the other half pushed,saying, "you know you love it when you're there".
I did and true to the word it was brilliant. (never had a bad one and i've been real lucky with weather).
I have so many memories from GPs, just wish I'd done it sooner. (never saw 500s !!)
I'm thinking Catalunya next year already, haven't been there since 05. If you are thinking cost avoid Italy cos its 3 times the price, but saying that, its the best and the one I mostly attend.

[boman]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2013/lorenzo+collarbone+fracture

[ecko_nzed]

The title has got to be Dani's to lose now right?

[Wingnut]

Time for Dani to make some Hay.

[Kendog]

That sucks.

Go MM.

[roogazza]

The title has got to be Dani's to lose now right?

It's been building from last year for Pedrosa huh ? maybe it's just his year and time ?
But hey shit happens, Horhay could get plated and get back quick and then have Pedrosa have a whoppsie, nothing is for sure.
Always figured it was a Honda year, they have an edge at the mo plus two great riders.

C'mon Rossi eight straight wins please !!!!! :corn::corn: LOL.

[imdying]

Well he was my pick for champ this year :(

[Geeen]

So who is going to be 1st Yamaha at Assen, Crutchless or HRH Rossi? My money will be on Cal, unless he bins it......

[Drew]

C'mon Rossi eight straight wins please !!!!! :corn::corn: LOL.11 wins in a season is his best, but I can't seem to find how many consecutive wins he's ever had.

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2013/lorenzo+collarbone+fracture

And that's how easily it can all change. Better get better soon...else I'll have to give OAB two doz!

[yod]

Dani, in his trailer 5 minutes after Georgie-boy binned it.....

http://imgsrv.worldstart.com/1/yes-happy-man.jpg

[Drew]

I think it's a bit different. Danni was taken out at least twice to lose a chance at the title.

Jeorge just fucked it up all of his own accord. Which is very out of character...Untill you look at the last time he was in a close race for the title.

[cmoore]

sad news for Lorenzo and Yamaha....now we need Rossi to use these improvements he has made to disrupt the Honda boys points

[Reckless]

Thats a bummer Id like him to have beat George without him missing any rounds but as you guys say Danni was been taken out last year.

Here's another report
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/192830/1/jorge_lorenzo_i_was_too_confident.html?utm_source= rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

As you all know I backed Danni last year so supporting him now is not changing anything :)
The only thing would have been Rossi to get his 10th tittle but it don't look like he quite has the pace of the top two.

ok the only question is does MM have the pace to beat/challenge him??

But my thought is will Yamaha throw some super good shit at CRUTCHLOW ( behind the scenes) to challenge the run from Danni???
With Rossi going like he is Crutchlow might be their best bet if Lorenzo is out for a few GP's.

Bloody good season this year :)

[steveyb]

Fuck me, they have plated (assume) him up already!!!!

Lucky he was not under care of ACC eh!

[Reckless]

Lorenzo hospital report

284377

Here http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/192830/1/jorge_lorenzo_i_was_too_confident.html?utm_source= rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

[Drew]

I see Marco has taken another flying lesson.

[Tony.OK]

I see Marco has taken another flying lesson.

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2013/Assen+2013+MotoGP+FP3+Action+Marc+Marquez+crash

He is one tough and lucky little fucker...................made Jorge's off look gentle!

[BMWST?]

man of the moment Alvaro Bautista goes quickest in FP3

[Berries]

Go Cal........

[tail_end_charlie]

And Cal gets Pole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bradl also on the front row along with MM, Pedro on the second row with Rossi and Smith.

Interestingly enough, Aleix and Randy have sandwiched Bautista on the third row 1.1 and 1.2 seconds down on Pole respectively. That puts them ahead of ALL of the Ducatis. Looks like it would be better to pick the Aspar ART bike over the factory Ducatis for a ride next year.

J Lo is also reported to have already had the surgery and is on a plane back to Assen. Who thinks he's gonna give it a go tomorrow?????

[BMWST?]

And Cal gets Pole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bradl also on the front row along with MM, Pedro on the second row with Rossi and Smith. .....
J Lo is also reported to have already had the surgery and is on a plane back to Assen. Who thinks he's gonna give it a go tomorrow?????

And smith on the second row. Who is worried?
I dont think he will ride,maybe he will,a few points collected now may make a big difference later

sent from the tag

[pritch]

According to Yamaha, and their various spokesmen, the suspension set-up changes to the front of bike 46 have eliminated the problems that were holding Rossi back. Rossi thinks that another adjustment to be tried during warm up may give him a few extra tenths. He says his speed was better than his second row start suggests. We'll see.

Marquez is riding with two fractures: finger and toe.

Jorge may be allowed to ride - or not.

Smith has his brand new skin graft.

Sometimes they can come across as spoiled brats, but sometimes they look like hard bastards too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

According to Yamaha, and their various spokesmen, the suspension set-up changes to the front of bike 46 have eliminated the problems that were holding Rossi back. Rossi thinks that another adjustment to be tried during warm up may give him a few extra tenths. He says his speed was better than his second row start suggests. We'll see.

Marquez is riding with two fractures: finger and toe.

Jorge may be allowed to ride - or not.

Smith has his brand new skin graft.

Sometimes they can come across as spoiled brats, but sometimes they look like hard bastards too.

Maybe the *wall* Rossi wanted between him and Lorenzo wasn't such a great *Idea* after all eh? They're all tough cunts. Remember Stoner riding at Indy last year the day after he totally munted his leg/ankle? Fuck that.

[roogazza]

According to Yamaha, and their various spokesmen, the suspension set-up changes to the front of bike 46 have eliminated the problems that were holding Rossi back. Rossi thinks that another adjustment to be tried during warm up may give him a few extra tenths. He says his speed was better than his second row start suggests. We'll see.

This is it pritch, I feel it in 'me' bones ! Horhay and MM injured, Pedro back a bit, the scene is set.
Rossi gives a riding lesson to the rest ! :wari: :corn:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi gives a riding lesson to the rest ! :wari: :corn:

Pity it takes for the top guys to be injured before it happens eh.

[GD66]

Weather forecast is for 17 deg with rain, so he'll never get a better crack at it. Looks recently as though his years and years of incredibly good luck have finally petered out, though, so we'll see....

[Crasherfromwayback]

his years and years of incredibly good luck have finally petered out, though, so we'll see....

With you there. In the whole time I've been following road racing...I cannot recall any one individual having such a blessed run. His leg aside...unfuckingbelievable.

[puddytat]

Jorge's out there in warmup !

[Crasherfromwayback]

Jorge's out there in warmup !

Tough cunt eh!

[lostinflyz]

generally GP guys make me feel like a bit of a pussy, but right now, i feel like a massive pussy........

cant really stand lorenzo but damnnnnnn, hes got my respect!

[BMWST?]

flight time(gulp)
http://photos.motogp.com/2013/06/29/alpinestars_lorenzo_crash_slideshow_169.jpg

[Tony.OK]

flight time(gulp)


Its amazing how much longer it feels when it happens (so much time to think)........funny what the brain can do :wacko:

These boys are tough cookies for sure!

[tail_end_charlie]

Bloody hell but that was a good race to watch.

Well, I guess he's back. I thought Val looked smooth, in control, and very dangerous on about the second lap..............and he proved me right. Not much else needs to be said about that it seems.

Ol' Cal was going pretty damn quick through the second half of the race. If he hadn't played tag with MM I don't have any doubt that he would have been able to take 2nd. He spent a couple of laps behind Jorge where he definitely looked quicker, but he just had trouble getting passed. He passed Bradl easy enough early on, and dispatched DP cleanly later on, so I think that he was just being very careful around Jorge.

Incredible ride by Jorge, shit he looked like he was hurting there at the end.

Very uninspired ride from DP, but he never really looked like he could do anything special all weekend.

And good to see Aliex up in 8th hounding the shit out of Bautista........................really think those two should switch rides. At least Bautista didn't torpedo anyone this weekend.

Pity to see the Ducs getting no where, commiserations to the people who get those rides next year.

[speights_bud]

What a race, JL looked like he was struggling not to puke coming back in, using the bike as a wheelchair. He's gonna sleep well tonight!

MM is doing well, keep chipping away at it young fella! And I bet some of the Rossi haters out there are shouting their Yammy Mates a Doz or two!


flight time(gulp)
Interesting their scales now go up to 30G's? Did they need to raise the ceiling after MM's 25G stunt at Mugello?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Incredible ride by Jorge, shit he looked like he was hurting there at the end.
.


Fuck yeah! TOTAL respect.



And I bet some of the Rossi haters out there are shouting their Yammy Mates a Doz or two!


Fantastic to see the old boy win one again I reckon. So good for the sport too. Looked like the Rossi of old. I'll put a few sneaky $'s on him for Laguna Seca I think.

[wysper]

And I bet some of the Rossi haters out there are shouting their Yammy Mates a Doz or two!




I am a Rossi fan and i am having to eat my words. I honestly didn't think I would see him at the pointy end again.

[Oscar]

VR - FUCK YEAH!

Gorgeous George, you turned out to be one tough Mutha. Wow.

[roogazza]

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This is it pritch, I feel it in 'me' bones ! Horhay and MM injured, Pedro back a bit, the scene is set.
Rossi gives a riding lesson to the rest ! :wari: :corn:

:love::love::laugh::laugh::niceone::niceone: Valeeeeeeeeeee!

Oh ye of little faith !! :yeah: Grande Grande !!!

[BMWST?]

well all this does i s reinforce my idea that these guys are at the absolute limit of the avaialable resources.A new fork or something allows VR to demonstrate he is all class,back to his previous levels?It also demonstrates to me that ducati can make a similar turnaround....Well done all,dont give up on Dani yet.It was cold the honda work better when its warmer....there are better things to come from him yet,look at last year.One thing we do know is its all on now..we have 4 may be 5 aliens and they are closer than ever!Smith is improving too

[denill]

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:love::love::laugh::laugh::niceone::niceone: Valeeeeeeeeeee!

Oh ye of little faith !! :yeah:

Hang on there Gaz, there's that guy Lorenzo who just may rain on the party........................ :msn-wink:

[roogazza]

Hang on there Gaz, there's that guy Lorenzo who just may rain on the party........................ :msn-wink:

Little steps bud, this may turn out to be an epic year ? If he's turned a corner with the front end feel that is so important to him, who knows?
Two Yams and two Hondas !!!!

[Badjelly]

flight time(gulp)

Those graphs speak volumes!

[Badjelly]

Little steps bud, this may turn out to be an epic year ? If he's turned a corner with the front end feel that is so important to him, who knows?

Ya'r dreaming.

[SPman]

Fuck yeah! TOTAL respect.
.

Winner of the "Mick Doohan one hard bastard of the year" award!

Both the Espargo boys were on top form - the Moto 2 race was a humdinger!

[ICE180]

Don't look at title if you don't want to know the winner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkM6dd-7BIk

[puddytat]

Fantastic racing across all three classes, Assen seemed to have tightened up the pack in all so there was good racing.....Awesome track.

[Geeen]

Tough cunt eh!

A bit like this, MASSIVE respect for the guy.

[Crasherfromwayback]

A bit like this, MASSIVE respect for the guy.

Reckon. They're a diff breed eh! Stoner with his leg/ankle last year...now Lorenzo with the collar bone. I've broken both quite a few times...and I honestly don't know how they do it. Especially at that level. They need to be paid more.

[Robert Taylor]

Reckon. They're a diff breed eh! Stoner with his leg/ankle last year...now Lorenzo with the collar bone. I've broken both quite a few times...and I honestly don't know how they do it. Especially at that level. They need to be paid more.

Lorenzo comes from a better gene pool than that dodgy descendant of convicts..........

[BMWST?]

Lorenzo comes from a better gene pool than that dodgy descendant of convicts..........

yeah dodgy colonists instead with who knows what skeletons in the closet.Top effort tho

[nudemetalz]

He's is back. Awesome !! Nice smooth ride and I love the stop he did at the fan club on the warm down.
But sheez...Jorge..damn, what a dude !!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Lorenzo comes from a better gene pool than that dodgy descendant of convicts..........

And if he wins the title again this year...he could certainly look to last night as the highlight in doing so!

[boman]

And if he wins the title again this year...he could certainly look to last night as the highlight in doing so!

If he wins again this year, then he deserves too after that monumental effort. A huge effort.

BIG respect to the gentleman.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If he wins again this year, then he deserves too after that monumental effort. A huge effort.

BIG respect to the gentleman.

Agree with you 100%.

[onearmedbandit]

Agree with you 100%.

Yeah but will he amass 80 premier class wins?

[Drew]

Yeah but will he amass 80 premier class wins?He certainly hasn't had it as easy as Rossi seemed to make it when he was on top.

Great race though, I couldn't believe Pedrosa made it to turn one first!

Cal struggling for the first half and then coming on strong was cool.

Lorenzo looked near strong enough to challenge for the podium early on. Poor bastard must have been seriously sore by the end.

[Kendog]

And if he wins the title again this year...he could certainly look to last night as the highlight in doing so!
I think it's more than a highlight.
Pedrosa had a good lead early in the race, this was his chance to create a decent points gap at the top.
Instead he lets an old fella, his team mate and a non factory bike pass him to finish just one position ahead of Lorenzo.

I don't think Pedrosa has the mental toughness to win a championship. This race shows that.

Lorenzo on the other hand.....

p.s. anyone else notice Pedrosa did not give an English interview after the race. He really is a grumpy gnome.

[steveyb]

He certainly hasn't had it as easy as Rossi seemed to make it when he was on top.




IT was someone famous that once said:
"You know, it is funny, that the harder I work, the luckier I get"

[BMWST?]

I think it's more than a highlight.
Pedrosa had a good lead early in the race, this was his chance to create a decent points gap at the top.
Instead he lets an old fella, his team mate and a non factory bike pass him to finish just one position ahead of Lorenzo.

I don't think Pedrosa has the mental toughness to win a championship. This race shows that.

Lorenzo on the other hand.....

p.s. anyone else notice Pedrosa did not give an English interview after the race. He really is a grumpy gnome.

youre dreaming.He hasnt been on it all weekend.Dont know why but the smallest thing seems to put these bikes of the knife edge.See Cal was running wide at first...full tank,VR himself has been struggling till they have made a small but significant change to a very good bike.I think the race was too cold for the Hondas,MM has the balls to ride round it,DP knows that 4th place is better than no place.I reckon we will see another end of season charge from DP as the season advances into late summer in Europe and we head to some more "Honda" tracks

[Drew]

IT was someone famous that once said:
"You know, it is funny, that the harder I work, the luckier I get"

I never said it was luck. I meant that Lorenzo is not so clear of the rest of the field, that he can dominate the way that Rossi did.

[pritch]

I think it's more than a highlight.
Pedrosa had a good lead early in the race, this was his chance to create a decent points gap at the top.
Instead he lets an old fella, his team mate and a non factory bike pass him to finish just one position ahead of Lorenzo.

I don't think Pedrosa has the mental toughness to win a championship. This race shows that.



Grinned all of the way through the race, but having said that I don't know quite what to make of it.

Pedrosa crashed during qualifying, apparently got back to the pits in time to go out for another lap but took his gloves off.
The possibility that he had hurt himself occurred to me then, and again during the race when he was not performing as well as expected.

Hopefully Yamaha have a new fuel tank sorted, Lorenzo was testing one at Barcelona. They really ought to give Crutchlow one as well, he did all that could have been asked of him finishing in front of Pedro thus reducing the latter's points haul. Yamaha though are in engine trouble and the riders may have to start from pitlane before long.

Must check out who has been winning at the Sachsenring in recent years:whistle:

[denill]

They really ought to give Crutchlow one as well, he did all that could have been asked of him finishing in front of Pedro thus reducing the latter's points haul.

And if CC does nothing else - it will make Yamaha more inclined to take his jibes on the chin.

[pritch]

IT was someone famous that once said:
"You know, it is funny, that the harder I work, the luckier I get"

Gary Player, "The more I practice the luckier I get." To a TV commentator who told him that one of his shots was lucky.

[merv]

Hey gazza are you sober yet after celebrating VR's win?

[Robert Taylor]

IT was someone famous that once said:
"You know, it is funny, that the harder I work, the luckier I get"

How about ''the less I knew the easier it was''

[roogazza]

Hey gazza are you sober yet after celebrating VR's win?
With all the medication I take Merv, can't do that anymore.But yeah still smiling.

How about ''the less I knew the easier it was''
Or Robert, "The older I get the faster I was," My boys bought me that "T Shirt" a no fear thingy , in the eighties.
Think they might have been trying to tell me something cos I got the hat, "FIG JAM" as well !
(you know, 'fuck I'm good just ask me ' !!! )

[DidJit]

If I were a (non-MSMA) team owner, bang for buck, I think I’d still be looking at the ART (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2013/07/01/ducati_s_non_msma_entry_machines_a_great.html)...

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jul/130701d17.htm

Dark days indeed for Ducati.

[SS90]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jul/130701d17.htm

Dark days indeed for Ducati.

Hmmm, yes, a page on the Internet, that must be true.
It should be said however that while this current ducati has got worse, and the others have stayed the superior without any changes, it wouldn't take a genius to suggest that a step in the opposite direction wouldn't achieve a desirable end.

[Oscar]

Hmmm, yes, a page on the Internet, that must be true.


? Of course it's true - did you not watch the race?
The first Ducati was 10th - behind the first CRT bike.

That is a dark day for any team.

[DidJit]

... a step in the opposite direction wouldn't achieve a desirable end.

Which would be?

Up til now (according to what Dovi and Nicky have been able to let slip to the press), Ducati Corse have mostly been working on chassis stiffness this year... What is the opposite direction to that? (Genuine question.)

Current internet chatter is suggesting changes to the weight distribution of the lump. Would that fix the understeer issue? Throttle response (or, rather, engine power being too harsh on the rear tyre) is also still to be solved (either through electronics or more traditional/mechanical methods).

[pritch]

Current internet chatter is suggesting changes to the weight distribution of the lump. Would that fix the understeer issue? .

I liked the article that pointed out how far rear of centre the Ducati front drive sprocket is. The Honda and the Yamaha both have their drive sprockets exactly half distance between the front and rear axles. The item reasoned that this placement would make the Ducati handle like a chopper compared to the others.

When the new Speed Triple was designed the battery was moved up by the steering head to put more weight over the front wheel.
Perhaps to make up for the drive sprocket being so far back? The S3 sprocket is rear of half way, but nowhere near as far back as on the Duc GP bike.

But I'm not an engineer, and they're paying some highly qualified guys to sort all this out, so I await their results with interest.

[steveyb]

Both the Honda RCV and the Ducati GP13 are 90 deg V engines, but as pointed out in that piece, the transmission of the Ducati is long, much longer than the compact (and probably piggybacked to some degree) Honda transmission.
This makes the whole engine much longer than the honda engine even after they tilt the engine backwards to compensate for the 90 deg V putting the bottom cylinders too close to the front wheel.
So if it is so that the drive sprocket is rear of centre, or in a less than ideal position, then perhaps it continues to come all the way back to the engine just being the wrong shape and size.

[Mental Trousers]

I liked the article that pointed out how far rear of centre the Ducati front drive sprocket is. The Honda and the Yamaha both have their drive sprockets exactly half distance between the front and rear axles. The item reasoned that this placement would make the Ducati handle like a chopper compared to the others.

When the new Speed Triple was designed the battery was moved up by the steering head to put more weight over the front wheel.
Perhaps to make up for the drive sprocket being so far back? The S3 sprocket is rear of half way, but nowhere near as far back as on the Duc GP bike.

But I'm not an engineer, and they're paying some highly qualified guys to sort all this out, so I await their results with interest.

The Ducati engineers are extremely talented engineers who will come up with brilliant designs that fill the required specs. But in the past the required spec was whatever management, ie Preziosi wanted, which was a low CoG with a rearward weight bias.

Now the management has changed they're taking a different approach. They started by getting a decent testing programme in place which included the junior team and Michele Pirro. Now it seems they've moved onto chassis stiffness. Next they'll move on to something else, probably one of weight bias or engine power characteristics.


Both the Honda RCV and the Ducati GP13 are 90 deg V engines, but as pointed out in that piece, the transmission of the Ducati is long, much longer than the compact (and probably piggybacked to some degree) Honda transmission.
This makes the whole engine much longer than the honda engine even after they tilt the engine backwards to compensate for the 90 deg V putting the bottom cylinders too close to the front wheel.
So if it is so that the drive sprocket is rear of centre, or in a less than ideal position, then perhaps it continues to come all the way back to the engine just being the wrong shape and size.

As you've said, Honda have shown the 90 degree vee four layout isn't the problem and the major difference in their engines is the layout and location of the gearbox. So they'd probably make quite a difference by redesigning the gearbox to make the engine more compact and get the centre of gravity up higher.

[Crasherfromwayback]

and get the centre of gravity up higher.

For sure a motorcycle with too low a centre of gravity handles like plop. One of the many problems with the fuel tank in the belly pan NSR500.

[tail_end_charlie]

Seems interesting that Ducati is taking a slightly different route to Honda and Yamaha in the non-MSMA category ("http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2013/07/01/ducati_s_non_msma_entry_machines_a_great.html) and will be provided the GP13 to those teams that are interested. Sounds like all the are doing is putting in the MM electronics package and a bigger fuel tank and going to race with 12 engines. Nicky Hayden seems keen to try the CRT spec softer rear slick and see if that cures some of their traction problems.

Might not be idea overall, they could sign teams up and use them as Guinea pigs for different solutions. Might find that Ducati have two factory bikes, two satellite bikes, a lab bike, and a couple of experimental 'CRT' type bikes to try stuff on. Hope they have a lot of data annalists on hand because they will be bringing in testing data by the truckload.

[merv]

I presume the Ducati "L" engine still has the front two cylinders pointing flat forward whereas Honda's "V" engine has them set at 45deg or did they already tilt the cylinders up? If not that all adds to the length of the engine as well as the large gearbox.

[pritch]

I presume the Ducati "L" engine still has the front two cylinders pointing flat forward whereas Honda's "V" engine has them set at 45deg or did they already tilt the cylinders up? If not that all adds to the length of the engine as well as the large gearbox.

No, they tilted it back some time ago.

[BMWST?]

I reckon there is also a lot of input from the driveline into the rear suspension the way you see it pogoing on the exit of the corners seems less pronounced now than when CS was caning it

sent from the tag

[Crasherfromwayback]

I reckon there is also a lot of input from the driveline into the rear suspension the way you see it pogoing on the exit of the corners seems less pronounced now than when CS was caning it

sent from the tag

A lot of that may just be because he was famous for getting on the gas really hard really early.

[roogazza]

A lot of that may just be because he was famous for getting on the gas really hard really early.

I think too much is expected of Ducati after the 2007 bike, that obviously had the jump on the oposition in outright HP and electronics. They employed a rider who could ride around the understeer problems and gave them the title that year.
After that, the oposition caught up and Ducati were left with a rider still trying to make up for quirky handling.
Sure Stoner still pulled some rides on it but the troubles stayed.

It's wierd that Ducati has taken so long to change the last thing, the engine. (length and position).

[pritch]

It's wierd that Ducati has taken so long to change the last thing, the engine. (length and position).

I think it was one of the riders (Rossi?) recently commented on the difference between Japanese and Italian engineers.
If you point out a problem to the Japanese engineers they are grateful, you have given them something to work on, a way forward.
The Italian engineers, on the other hand, are offended that you dare criticise their bike.

Poor Milandri, when he complained about the handling of the Duc they sent him to a psychologist. That'll fix it, yeah right. :whistle:

[BMWST?]

Poor Milandri, when he complained about the handling of the Duc they sent him to a psychologist. That'll fix it, yeah right. :whistle:

They had other data too.they were seeing the lap times going backwards in relation to the others

sent from the tag

[roogazza]

I think it was one of the riders (Rossi?) recently commented on the difference between Japanese and Italian engineers.
If you point out a problem to the Japanese engineers they are grateful, you have given them something to work on, a way forward.
The Italian engineers, on the other hand, are offended that you dare criticise their bike.

Poor Milandri, when he complained about the handling of the Duc they sent him to a psychologist. That'll fix it, yeah right. :whistle:

Yes I've read that. I think Crasher mentioned back a bit about the fuel tank on the NSR, Honda soon got in there and changed it into a winner.
As Ducati had Stoner, Honda had Spencer the other ingredient. I can't actually remember which came first the four or the Three as in V3 , but the V3 was good out of the box.
oh, yes, V3 in 83 , then Lawson Yamaha 84 and Honda again with the double in 85 as in 250/500. A mate of mine worked on the Honda team of 85.

[Mental Trousers]

It's wierd that Ducati has taken so long to change the last thing, the engine. (length and position).


I think it was one of the riders (Rossi?) recently commented on the difference between Japanese and Italian engineers.
If you point out a problem to the Japanese engineers they are grateful, you have given them something to work on, a way forward.
The Italian engineers, on the other hand, are offended that you dare criticise their bike.

Poor Milandri, when he complained about the handling of the Duc they sent him to a psychologist. That'll fix it, yeah right. :whistle:

That was most definitely the head engineer at Ducati, Preziosi. Brilliant designer and engineer but equally arrogant and stubborn. He was an engine designer first and foremost and that's why the engine layout and electronics are suited for making the most power. It was up to the rider to figure out how to use all that power.

[nudemetalz]

Finally !!!!
Still, means buying another receiver, but they ain't expensive.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/8877834/Another-sport-gone-from-Sky

"....The New Zealand broadcast rights for the rest of the 2013 MotoGP motorcycle racing season have been secured by Sommet Sports TV.
The new Freeview outfit, whose channel is provisionally up and running but set to launch officially in 10 days, will offer live coverage of the 2013 MotoGP series and highlights programmes....."

[Muzzab]

Finally !!!!
Still, means buying another receiver, but they ain't expensive.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/8877834/Another-sport-gone-from-Sky

"....The New Zealand broadcast rights for the rest of the 2013 MotoGP motorcycle racing season have been secured by Sommet Sports TV.
The new Freeview outfit, whose channel is provisionally up and running but set to launch officially in 10 days, will offer live coverage of the 2013 MotoGP series and highlights programmes....."

A google of Sommet Sports got me here http://www.sommetsports.co.nz on the about tab it says the coverage will be streamed live so another receiver may not be necessary, hopefully.

[Geeen]

A google of Sommet Sports got me here http://www.sommetsports.co.nz on the about tab it says the coverage will be streamed live so another receiver may not be necessary, hopefully.

It also says their channel will only work on terrestrial receivers, so anyone who cant get UHF coverage because of hills etc is still loosing out.

[steveyb]

This from freetv.co.nz

Are there any downsides to MHEG-5? Just two small downsides. The first is that with a satellite receiver with Mheg-5 you can only ever receive Freeview channels, you can not use this receiver on other free channels broadcast to New Zealand. Secondly the software costs the manufacturer of your receiver and so the cost of a MHEG-5 receiver is considerably higher than a non-MHEG-5 receiver.

So I take that to mean you will be able to receive Sommet TV (if your sattellite receiver has MHEG-5, but not TV1, TV3 etc.

Right? Wrong?

[codgyoleracer]

This from freetv.co.nz

Are there any downsides to MHEG-5? Just two small downsides. The first is that with a satellite receiver with Mheg-5 you can only ever receive Freeview channels, you can not use this receiver on other free channels broadcast to New Zealand. Secondly the software costs the manufacturer of your receiver and so the cost of a MHEG-5 receiver is considerably higher than a non-MHEG-5 receiver.

So I take that to mean you will be able to receive Sommet TV (if your sattellite receiver has MHEG-5, but not TV1, TV3 etc.

Right? Wrong?

I think your right, but only if the trapezoid equalizer is balanced with nucleas temprometer aye, and then you might be able to adjust the flux-deconvuvulator and at the same time press the two red buttons on the right that say " do not press" to recive a morphius coded rezputzle signal that could then be decoded by the leederhaussen module ?
If that doesnt work then a more reliable way to watch it for free is to go round to a mates place and watch if there. :-0

[roogazza]

Here you go Bill , this is the guy. (didn't know URL shit so this way easier !!)
284610
284611
He's writing a book and went across to reunite with Hartog 2 yrs ago. The X6 Hustler was another Resto he did. I believe that's Hartog today with his son in the other shot?
ps his book is going to be better reading than mine I'm sure.

[Drew]

This from freetv.co.nz

Are there any downsides to MHEG-5? Just two small downsides. The first is that with a satellite receiver with Mheg-5 you can only ever receive Freeview channels, you can not use this receiver on other free channels broadcast to New Zealand. Secondly the software costs the manufacturer of your receiver and so the cost of a MHEG-5 receiver is considerably higher than a non-MHEG-5 receiver.

So I take that to mean you will be able to receive Sommet TV (if your sattellite receiver has MHEG-5, but not TV1, TV3 etc.

Right? Wrong?With a UHF receiver, all the channels will show up. With a dish, only those broadcast by satellite can be viewed. Is my understanding.

[BMWST?]

With a UHF receiver, all the channels will show up. With a dish, only those broadcast by satellite can be viewed. Is my understanding.

yes freeview "terrestial" uhf and HD ,not on teh satelite .I was thinking of getting freeview uhf for the odd occasion sky goes off air for "rain fade"If freeview is half as good as it looks sky might go for good!

[lostinflyz]

if your on a normal tv on freeview, manually punch in channel 114 and it is the test stream for sommett. if you see it, you'll be watching GP next weekend....

[boman]

if your on a normal tv on freeview, manually punch in channel 114 and it is the test stream for sommett. if you see it, you'll be watching GP next weekend....

You can get Sommet on freeview. 114 as lostinflyz says.

[onearmedbandit]

It also says their channel will only work on terrestrial receivers, so anyone who cant get UHF coverage because of hills etc is still loosing out.

That's the good old Kiwi attitude. Find something to moan about.

[jasonu]

This from freetv.co.nz

Are there any downsides to MHEG-5? Just two small downsides. The first is that with a satellite receiver with Mheg-5 you can only ever receive Freeview channels, you can not use this receiver on other free channels broadcast to New Zealand. Secondly the software costs the manufacturer of your receiver and so the cost of a MHEG-5 receiver is considerably higher than a non-MHEG-5 receiver.

So I take that to mean you will be able to receive Sommet TV (if your sattellite receiver has MHEG-5, but not TV1, TV3 etc.

Right? Wrong?

You cunts live in the dark ages.

[Drew]

That's the good old Kiwi attitude. Find something to moan about.Perfect UHF where I live...Fuck 'em!

[steveyb]

You cunts live in the dark ages.

I've lived and worked in the USA, you don't want to dig too far down that line of questioning.....

But, yes, comparatively so. Sort of the growing up scenario, still finding our feet in a world of rapid changes.

I for one don't know why so many people are so exorcised about it all. I think people spend too much time sitting on their arses watching TV as it is.
Why are they not out in the garage working on their bikes.....???? (like me until midnight every night god sends).
There are plenty of racebikes and roadbikes for that matter that could do with a few hours work and some elbow grease.

[BMWST?]

So you dont want to watch motogp?

sent from the tag

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's the good old Kiwi attitude. Find something to moan about.

This may make some Suzuki fans happy if it happens...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jul/130704a.htm

[codgyoleracer]

This may make some Suzuki fans happy if it happens...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jul/130704a.htm

Maybe he would like to practice a bit on my SV for a while to get a feel for them......

[onearmedbandit]

This may make some Suzuki fans happy if it happens...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jul/130704a.htm

Please please please please.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Please please please please.

lol. Him and Stoner please!

[Drew]

lol. Him and Stoner please!

That would be great for Suzuki, but neither of them would work with the other.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That would be great for Suzuki, but neither of them would work with the other.

Even better!

[Drew]

Even better!
It's not in anyones best interest...Particularly us Rossi fans ARSEHOLE!

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's not in anyones best interest...Particularly us Rossi fans ARSEHOLE!

lol. Mine. One way to find out who really is the better of the two as well. Finally put 'em both on the same bike.

[denill]

lol. Him and Stoner please!


Suzuki haven't got enough money. :rolleyes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Suzuki haven't got enough money. :rolleyes:

Mores the pity.

[tail_end_charlie]

Suzuki haven't got enough money. :rolleyes:

Surely Suzuki could 'Tom Sawyer' them both into riding by informing them that its a competition to who can get the first win on three different makes..............and then who can grab the title on three different makes. Use their arrogance against them both!!

[Reckless]

I just rewatched this after Assen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjH_-lbAN-E

Ya know I have a lot of respect for Rossi. He is gracious in winning, talks about his tuff period, thanks his team, and states how strong his passion still is for the sport.
I don't really want to open the Rossi thing again and I like the racing more than watching just because Rossi is there but you gotta say over the years he has been Humorous, exciting and not a Premadonna.
I'd like to see him win 10 next year than go on to Suzuki and give that a go! He has nothing to loose his record stands.
How do we stand a chance when those brilliant minds cant find the secret for 7 races??


Poor ole Pedro so close but so far? Now he's got MM that's only going to get faster?
Still super impressed with Lorenzo's effort how much does that guy want to win the championship again! Broken collar bone jesus.

This might be the best season for the last few years I reckon! Maybe it also because we signed up to MotoGp.com and are watching all the qualifying etc as well?

[Crasherfromwayback]

and not a Premadonna.


Dude. I like the guy too. He's been amazing for the sport of motorcycle racing. But seriously?

[Reckless]

Dude. I like the guy too. He's been amazing for the sport of motorcycle racing. But seriously?

Na I thought he was quite good in that and generally over the years showed much more humour than anyone else in the paddock :)
I thought that was frank and honest.

BUT MAYBE
I'm more of a Rossi fan than I'm prepared to admit to myself :facepalm: :bash:

[Drew]

Poor ole Pedro so close but so far? Now he's got MM that's only going to get faster?
There was quite a good interview with Pedrosa, by some chick that took place at a pub. He was asked how it was for him with MM in the shed.

He said it was made very hard, because every other rider he's been teamed up with had their own style, and take on things. But MM pretty much just copies what Pedro is doing, and then rides with a lot more aggression. If Pedro sets a bike up for third gear around a given corner, MM just accepts it's the right thing and does the same.

Then if you watch a race, MM sits right behind Pedro and learns his patterns, finds a spot he can come up with an original line and makes a pass, (or tries to).

MM will get faster for sure! Fuck, when he finds his stride I think he'll be bloody near unbeatable. I just hope things stay as is untill Danni has his title, I truely believe he deserves it more than anyone else right now.

[BMWST?]

I just rewatched this after Assen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjH_-lbAN-E

Ya know I have a lot of respect for Rossi. He is gracious in winning, talks about his tuff period, thanks his team, and states how strong his passion still is for the sport.
I don't really want to open the Rossi thing again and I like the racing more than watching just because Rossi is there but you gotta say over the years he has been Humorous, exciting and not a Premadonna.
I'd like to see him win 10 next year than go on to Suzuki and give that a go! He has nothing to loose his record stands.
How do we stand a chance when those brilliant minds cant find the secret for 7 races??


Poor ole Pedro so close but so far? Now he's got MM that's only going to get faster?
Still super impressed with Lorenzo's effort how much does that guy want to win the championship again! Broken collar bone jesus.

This might be the best season for the last few years I reckon! Maybe it also because we signed up to MotoGp.com and are watching all the qualifying etc as well?

I dont really like him.He is a fantastic talent for sure but the Gibernau thing turned me off him.It will be intesrting for the rest of the season for sure with those 4 +cal.I have got a feeling history may repeat itself,and it will be most interesting to see what the outcome is in todays PC world

[Crasherfromwayback]

Na I thought he was quite good in that and generally over the years showed much more humour than anyone else in the paddock :)
:

Humour yes. But it's the he's not a Primadonna bit that got me. He's more so than anyone I've ever seen in the sport. It's that that stops me being a total fan.

[Reckless]

I dont really like him.He is a fantastic talent for sure but the Gibernau thing turned me off him.It will be intesrting for the rest of the season for sure with those 4 +cal.I have got a feeling history may repeat itself,and it will be most interesting to see what the outcome is in todays PC world

I can see how people wouldn't like him as well to be honest. But thought he was genuine in that interview.
Your right tho 4 fighting for the prize its a good year :) I also hope Cal actually gets to scrap with them rather than being just behind.

OH BTW damn interesting discussion last couple of pages in this thread about the bikes etc cheers all!!

[onearmedbandit]

Humour yes. But it's the he's not a Primadonna bit that got me. He's more so than anyone I've ever seen in the sport. It's that that stops me being a total fan.

Biaggi anyone?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Biaggi anyone?

You got me there. Forgot about that lil homo.

[pritch]

Humour yes. But it's the he's not a Primadonna bit that got me. He's more so than anyone I've ever seen in the sport. It's that that stops me being a total fan.

Funny how we all see things differently. I've read a couple of recent quotes, one from I know not who, said that all of the GP riders were up themselves except Rossi and one other. (Crutchlow?)

In a recent issue of BIKE Murray Walker, retired long time commentator, says that there are a lot of real characters in the road racng scene but only one, Rossi, in GPs.

MW is way more qualified to comment than me but I stll disagree. I'd include Crutchlow. If being a grumpy little shit counts as character you'd have to include Pedro. And last weekend the formerly character free JL showed great strength of character.

Whatever turns your crank, we're all as different from one another as they are.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Funny how we all see things differently. I've read a couple of recent quotes, one from I know not who, said that all of the GP riders were up themselves except Rossi and one other. (Crutchlow?)

.

Nah I totally agree that Rossi is one of the funniest guys around. I like the fact he uses the word fuck a lot too. But by primadonna I mean "whaaaaa...I want Bridgestones else I'm quitting" "Whaaaaa...I want a wall between Lorenzo and myself". He's copying my setup!!!" (Funny he had to copy Haydens Ducati setup to get faster, and now he's copying Lorenzo's Yamaha setup eh?) "Whaaaaaa Yamaha. Lorenzo's beaten me. It's either him or me next year!!!".

"Whaaaaa...this Ducati is shit...I want my Yamaha back!". That sort of Primadonna shit.

[Drew]

Nah I totally agree that Rossi is one of the funniest guys around. I like the fact he uses the word fuck a lot too. But by primadonna I mean "whaaaaa...I want Bridgestones else I'm quitting" "Whaaaaa...I want a wall between Lorenzo and myself". He's copying my setup!!!" (Funny he had to copy Haydens Ducati setup to get faster, and now he's copying Lorenzo's Yamaha setup eh?) "Whaaaaaa Yamaha. Lorenzo's beaten me. It's either him or me next year!!!".

"Whaaaaa...this Ducati is shit...I want my Yamaha back!". That sort of Primadonna shit.I think you'll find he couldn't make Lorenzo's setup work for him. Hense it took them so long to get the bike feeling the way he wanted.

And the Ducati is shit.

Other than that, I got nothing.;)

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think you'll find he couldn't make Lorenzo's setup work for him.

I think you'll find that that ain't right.

[pritch]

I think you'll find that that ain't right.

My reading indicates that Rossi's crew found a different front end setting during testing at Barcelona. The setup Lorenzo uses allows him to maximise corner speed. To achieve this the swing arm had been lengthened during Rossi's time with Ducati.

Rossi relies heavily on front end feel and he couldn't get it with "Lorenzo's" bike. I understand the new front end setting and a shorter swing arm made the difference at Assen, but we might all have a better idea of how well the changes worked after next weekend?

[Drew]

My reading indicates that Rossi's crew found a different front end setting during testing at Barcelona. The setup Lorenzo uses allows him to maximise corner speed. To achieve this the swing arm had been lengthened during Rossi's time with Ducati.

Rossi relies heavily on front end feel and he couldn't get it with "Lorenzo's" bike. I understand the new front end setting and a shorter swing arm made the difference at Assen, but we might all have a better idea of how well the changes worked after next weekend?

This was my understanding too.

[GD66]

I've always considered him an A-grade cunt. Befriended Gibernau then shat on him. Used the Italian press to complete his mind job on Biaggi. Totally dissed Lorenzo by demanding the wall in the garage. Shat on Honda. Shat on Michelin. Sucked the arse out of the Yamaha race budget first time round so they had to shut down their superbike programme. Raped the coffers at Ducati and achieved SFA apart from two years of mediocrity and a questionable development path. Has attracted a following of myopic F1-style yellow-clad followers who care nothing for any part of the sport apart from him and him alone. Has had a dwindling career prolonged by the corrupt Spanish wankers at Dorna who have never devised any alternative MotoGP marketing ploy for when he retires. And for a man in his thirties to still be carrying on as though he is a teenage cartoon character defies belief. The Doctor ? Give me a break...:motu:







Too harsh ? :laugh:

[pritch]

I've always considered him an A-grade cunt. Befriended Gibernau then shat on him. Used the Italian press to complete his mind job on Biaggi. Totally dissed Lorenzo by demanding the wall in the garage. Shat on Honda. Shat on Michelin. Sucked the arse out of the Yamaha race budget first time round so they had to shut down their superbike programme. Raped the coffers at Ducati and achieved SFA apart from two years of mediocrity and a questionable development path. Has attracted a following of myopic F1-style yellow-clad followers who care nothing for any part of the sport apart from him and him alone. Has had a dwindling career prolonged by the corrupt Spanish wankers at Dorna who have never devised any alternative MotoGP marketing ploy for when he retires. And for a man in his thirties to still be carrying on as though he is a teenage cartoon character defies belief. The Doctor ? Give me a break...:motu:







Too harsh ? :laugh:

You should post more often, you add a certain texture to the discussion. :yes:

[Oscar]

I've always considered him an A-grade cunt. Befriended Gibernau then shat on him. Used the Italian press to complete his mind job on Biaggi. Totally dissed Lorenzo by demanding the wall in the garage. Shat on Honda. Shat on Michelin. Sucked the arse out of the Yamaha race budget first time round so they had to shut down their superbike programme. Raped the coffers at Ducati and achieved SFA apart from two years of mediocrity and a questionable development path. Has attracted a following of myopic F1-style yellow-clad followers who care nothing for any part of the sport apart from him and him alone. Has had a dwindling career prolonged by the corrupt Spanish wankers at Dorna who have never devised any alternative MotoGP marketing ploy for when he retires. And for a man in his thirties to still be carrying on as though he is a teenage cartoon character defies belief. The Doctor ? Give me a break...:motu:







Too harsh ? :laugh:

Wow.
I don't agree with much off it, but it was tremendously well put.

[Crasherfromwayback]

My reading indicates that Rossi's crew found a different front end setting during testing at Barcelona. The setup Lorenzo uses allows him to maximise corner speed. To achieve this the swing arm had been lengthened during Rossi's time with Ducati.

Rossi relies heavily on front end feel and he couldn't get it with "Lorenzo's" bike. I understand the new front end setting and a shorter swing arm made the difference at Assen, but we might all have a better idea of how well the changes worked after next weekend?


This was my understanding too.

Then I stand corrected and I'm a retard. My bad. He's still a pratt though! :shutup:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I've always considered him an A-grade cunt. Befriended Gibernau then shat on him. Used the Italian press to complete his mind job on Biaggi. Totally dissed Lorenzo by demanding the wall in the garage. Shat on Honda. Shat on Michelin. Sucked the arse out of the Yamaha race budget first time round so they had to shut down their superbike programme. Raped the coffers at Ducati and achieved SFA apart from two years of mediocrity and a questionable development path. Has attracted a following of myopic F1-style yellow-clad followers who care nothing for any part of the sport apart from him and him alone. Has had a dwindling career prolonged by the corrupt Spanish wankers at Dorna who have never devised any alternative MotoGP marketing ploy for when he retires. And for a man in his thirties to still be carrying on as though he is a teenage cartoon character defies belief. The Doctor ? Give me a break...:motu:







Too harsh ? :laugh:

Far from it. Pretty fair really. I like you.

[Drew]

I've always considered him an A-grade cunt. Befriended Gibernau then shat on him. Used the Italian press to complete his mind job on Biaggi. Totally dissed Lorenzo by demanding the wall in the garage. Shat on Honda. Shat on Michelin. Sucked the arse out of the Yamaha race budget first time round so they had to shut down their superbike programme. Raped the coffers at Ducati and achieved SFA apart from two years of mediocrity and a questionable development path. Has attracted a following of myopic F1-style yellow-clad followers who care nothing for any part of the sport apart from him and him alone. Has had a dwindling career prolonged by the corrupt Spanish wankers at Dorna who have never devised any alternative MotoGP marketing ploy for when he retires. And for a man in his thirties to still be carrying on as though he is a teenage cartoon character defies belief. The Doctor ? Give me a break...:motu:







Too harsh ? :laugh:The bit I have highlighted in bold, is the only bit I can't accept of your opinion.






Anyone wanna go do skids in a paddock on my tractor?

[roogazza]

You should post more often, you add a certain texture to the discussion. :yes:


Wow.
I don't agree with much off it, but it was tremendously well put.

He's been in Austruckingfailure too long, he's circumsized or is that circumspect ? hahaha.
Don't hold back Glen, tell us what ya think !! lol.
Too harsh mate. :eek5::blink: :cry::cry::crybaby:

[GD66]

Tee-hee, thought that might ring your bell, Gaz. :yes:

[Oscar]

Far from it. Pretty fair really. I like you.

Oh jeez...get a 'kin room.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh jeez...get a 'kin room.

lol. Well Stoner rejected me.

[Oscar]

lol. Well Stoner rejected me.

I heard that you were the source of the mystery illness...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I heard that you were the source of the mystery illness...

Nothing mystery 'bout that one mate. Been around for centuries!:shifty:

[roogazza]

Nothing mystery 'bout that one mate. Been around for centuries!:shifty:

You mean like a randy Italian trying to shag your wife ???

How's your hoof by the way, I haven't heard. You back selling motorcycles ? G.

[Drew]

You mean like a randy Italian trying to shag your wife ???

How's your hoof by the way, I haven't heard. You back selling motorcycles ? G.

Was wondering about that myself. Was gonna stop into the shop to see him, but I feel a bit awkward wasting salesmen's time other than Jimmy's.

What's the guts limpy, feeling better?

[Crasherfromwayback]

How's your hoof by the way, I haven't heard. You back selling motorcycles ? G.


What's the guts limpy, feeling better?

Cheers guys. Back at work as of last Monday. Sore as fuck, and pretty swollen. But glad to be back none the less. Was sick of my own company after the first week off. Three months off was a real drag.

[slowpoke]

I've always considered him an A-grade cunt. Befriended Gibernau then shat on him. Used the Italian press to complete his mind job on Biaggi. Totally dissed Lorenzo by demanding the wall in the garage. Shat on Honda. Shat on Michelin. Sucked the arse out of the Yamaha race budget first time round so they had to shut down their superbike programme. Raped the coffers at Ducati and achieved SFA apart from two years of mediocrity and a questionable development path. Has attracted a following of myopic F1-style yellow-clad followers who care nothing for any part of the sport apart from him and him alone. Has had a dwindling career prolonged by the corrupt Spanish wankers at Dorna who have never devised any alternative MotoGP marketing ploy for when he retires. And for a man in his thirties to still be carrying on as though he is a teenage cartoon character defies belief. The Doctor ? Give me a break...:motu:

Too harsh ? :laugh:

Haha. Harsh? I can't hear what you are saying over the sound of an axe being ground to cut down a tall poppy in good ol' fashioned Kiwi style.

I'm not a big Rossi fan, all the early race winning "cartoon" antics just shit me to tears. I'm liking him a lil' more now that he's gained a lil' humility, reference his profuse thanks to Yamaha after his last win. Still, I'll be cheering a lot harder for a Dovi-type dude who just gets on with it.

But I see the flip side to what you've written. I saw the "Lorenzo wall" was a mark of huge respect for Lorenzo, no way would that have gone up if he didn't respect the threat Lorenzo represented. That'd be the Lorenzo who actually started copying the stoopid antics and even the asymetric colouring on the leathers (Red instead of yellow....wow, what a trend setter).

Sucked the arse out of the Yamaha race budget? WTF? Who held a gun to Yamaha's head? Same goes for Ducati. Rossi had a price, they met it, end of story...it's thing called business. Given that Ducati was sliding well before he got there (Rossi/yamaha-3 finished in front of Stoner/ducati-4 despite missing 3 rounds with a broken leg in 2010), went nowhere while he was there, and continue to go nowhere even with Audi backing it's obvious to nearly everyone that Ducati is the problem, not Melandri, not Hayden, not Capirossi and not Rossi. You could actually argue the opposite re "raping the coffers at Ducati": they got incredible mileage out of Rossi but Ducati refused to spend the money they should to give a bike to anybody that was capable of running at the front. Emmett, Cameron and every other tech guru had a good handle on what was/is wrong with the Duc....but what did Ducati do? Contracted out a frame to a company that can't even build a decent CRT bike. Seriously man, WTF?! Even if it was half decent, are they going to instantly make up for a gazillion years of Yamaha/Honda frame development? Not in another gazillion years given their tiny (in comparison) budget.

And does Rossi own any media companies in Italy? Not that I know of. Face it Biaggi was/is a world class wanker (he didn't sit out a season because he was easy to work with did he?), and good vs bad sells papers and pixels, always has always will. Biaggi just about mindfucked himself outta last years WSB championship so to say Rossi "did a mind job" on Biaggi ain't sayin' much.

Michelin? The performance agreement goes both ways eh? Plenty of riders have lost their rides because they didn't make the grade. Michelin weren't making the grade, were given ample opportunity and made no progress. The front runners aren't risking Rainey type injury's or Simo type deaths to make up the numbers and expect to be given the right tools. If not expect them to find them somewhere else.

Apart from that you are bang on about the myopic fans and corrupt Dorna :niceone:

[Reckless]

I was reading an article in the latest Cycleworld Race Watch section called Audi's Biker on Wolfgang Durmeimer. He is the man thats taken over from Audi to resurrect Ducati.
He was talking to Rossi etc before he left and he also mentions that Ducati wasn't listening? And states the rider is one third of the equation and cant be ignored etc etc.
I cant seem to find it on their web site???

I did come across their Assen wrap up which chats about the Ducati 90deg engine set up some more here
http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/07/01/tt-assen-wrap-up-motogp-racing-news-valentino-rossi-wins/

[Crasherfromwayback]

Michelin? The performance agreement goes both ways eh? Plenty of riders have lost their rides because they didn't make the grade. Michelin weren't making the grade, were given ample opportunity and made no progress. The front runners aren't risking Rainey type injury's or Simo type deaths to make up the numbers and expect to be given the right tools. If not expect them to find them somewhere else.


Fuck off. Rossi enjoyed many years of Michelin supremecy, but turned his back on them and broke a written contract half way through a season unlike all the other Michelin contracted riders. How would he like it if Ducati had torn up his contract half way through the first year as he was riding it like a gay cunt? Goes two ways mate. He had it oh so good for so many years. yet shat on them (Michelin) as soon as things got a lil tough. Don't forget...that Dani Pedrosa was actually winning the championship until he binned it in the wet at Germany that year. Whilst using Michelins...take your blinkers off. He's a Primadonna of the highest order.

[Drew]

How would he like it if Ducati had torn up his contract half way through the first year as he was riding it like a gay cunt?

Not your best example Pete. I think he would have thrown a massive party, and started negotiating with another manufacturer straight away.

They knew after a couple months that the bike was fucked.

[gixerracer]

Fuck off. Rossi enjoyed many years of Michelin supremecy, but turned his back on them and broke a written contract half way through a season unlike all the other Michelin contracted riders. How would he like it if Ducati had torn up his contract half way through the first year as he was riding it like a gay cunt? Goes two ways mate. He had it oh so good for so many years. yet shat on them (Michelin) as soon as things got a lil tough. Don't forget...that Dani Pedrosa was actually winning the championship until he binned it in the wet at Germany that year. Whilst using Michelins...take your blinkers off. He's a Primadonna of the highest order.

Hang on hang on. Pedro also jumped I think after Bruno round? in which he said was the most embarrising race of his life because the tyres were crap. Pretty sure there was a clause that said provide a competitve tyre contract was not being upheld was it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hang on hang on. Pedro also jumped I think after Bruno round? in which he said was the most embarrising race of his life because the tyres were crap. Pretty sure there was a clause that said provide a competitve tyre contract was not being upheld was it.

Don't remember that.

[codgyoleracer]

The most likely winning formula is best rider, best bike, best team management, inc best suspension and best tyres (best budget helps too,,,,,,,,,)

Take any single one of those things away and for sure you can expect the rider to be placing pressure on the weakest link , and if he didnt then he wouldnt be doing his job.

Of course the media take a completely different view to gain a story "He's Spoilt", "He's a Whinger" "He cant handle losing" "they cant build a good bike" blah blah blah

[pritch]

Was sick of my own company after the first week off. Three months off was a real drag.

Not sure I wanted to read that. I retired last Thursday.

[roogazza]

Not sure I wanted to read that. I retired last Thursday.
Congrats pritch, I've been retired 8 yrs, I couldn't fit a
job in now ! hahahaha. Jokes aside, you have to be organised and have interests or if you like your own company it's a breeze.
Of course I now do all the cooking and chase the vacuum.
I have my lap times down too, lawns are done in 5 mins !!! lol.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not sure I wanted to read that. I retired last Thursday.

Hahahaha. You're prob better company though.

[codgyoleracer]

Congrats pritch, I've been retired 8 yrs, I couldn't fit a
job in now ! hahahaha. Jokes aside, you have to be organised and have interests or if you like your own company it's a breeze.
Of course I now do all the cooking and chase the vacuum.
I have my lap times down too, lawns are done in 5 mins !!! lol.

I heard you were going to become a farrier soon G......... ?

[roogazza]

I heard you were going to become a farrier soon G......... ?
Yeah I can bang nails in !
Can ya get slicks for rideons ?

[codgyoleracer]

Yeah I can bang nails in !
Can ya get slicks for rideons ?

Apparently so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWzmdtQ-o-Q

[Drew]

Yeah I can bang nails in !
Can ya get slicks for rideons ?


Apparently so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWzmdtQ-o-QThe slicks are usually only on the kart wheels up front...

Be interesting to see what rubber we can get for our ride on beasts.

[roogazza]

We'd better get back on track? 100 GP Wins !
284788
Anyone know Percy Burgess from Kapiti ? In Darwin now, he met a guy who said he'd won 5 Titles !! Percy in the middle, crap photo sorry.
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[actungbaby]

Why the FUCK are Suzuki waiting till 2015 to come back.

Redding would surely take that over a Ducati, or leased bike.

Who knows chould be politics with dorna , i did wonder why as well only going get further behind.

I read where car side was taking bit of hit with down turn everwhere.i know suzuki big

here but not in the usa compared to honda and yamaha . say more money budget.

Even in barry shennes day did some odd decsions , seemed to me heron english based team

Doing the best they chould even made own carbon chassis.

good old Mr sheene take blow touch to his suzuki headstock re angle it.

What read recently out all the factorys suzuki seem most set in there ways like to do things there own way.

Dont like to look like just following the trends etc there racing bikes have to follow to what there selling.

Why gone back to the inline 4 i think is a good move not i know jack about building race bikes.

They also might be waiting to see how this engine leasing. yam Bike building honda goes.

Love to see carl cutchlow on a suzuki cant see them going with bartista, seem to be shunning former

Guy in charge of team though he got them on front row in austrila very werid.

[gixerracer]

Don't remember that.

Just for you Pete msut be getting old if you dont remember
http://www.repsol.com/es_en/competicion/motociclismo/noticias/actualidad/repsol_y_honda_anuncian_el_cam.aspx

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just for you Pete msut be getting old if you dont remember
http://www.repsol.com/es_en/competicion/motociclismo/noticias/actualidad/repsol_y_honda_anuncian_el_cam.aspx

Yeah too many Steinies Bro. I'd like to see the one tyre rule scrapped.

[Drew]

Yeah too many Steinies Bro. I'd like to see the one tyre rule scrapped.You can't be serious! That'd add another $100,000 to the $10,000,000,000 existing budget Pete!

1% price changes can't be tolerated.

[gixerracer]

Yeah too many Steinies Bro. I'd like to see the one tyre rule scrapped.

Yea same controlled tyres in racing is the gayest thing ever

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yea same controlled tyres in racing is the gayest thing ever

After dropping the 5 hundies that is... :-)

[pritch]

Scott Redding rode an old Suzuki (#34) last weekend in a "parade". He reported that he got his elbow down more than once - in a parade mind.

He is a new convert to a two stroke premier class.

Witnesses of a certain age reported that Redding, being all elbows and knees, had a similar style to the original rider.
Of course, Schwantz was likely doing his GP thing before Redding was even born.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Witnesses of a certain age reported that Redding, being all elbows and knees, had a similar style to the original rider.
.

Cept he didn't bin it needlessly. :-)

Go here if you wanna read the story and see some pics.


http://www.mcnews.com.au/

[Drew]

Cept he didn't bin it needlessly. :-)

Go here if you wanna read the story and see some pics.


http://www.mcnews.com.au/Wonder if they couldn't get the right size tyres for it. Front guard seems to have been rubbing on the hoop by the looks of those pics.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Wonder if they couldn't get the right size tyres for it. Front guard seems to have been rubbing on the hoop by the looks of those pics.

Yeah saw that. All shiny like...lucky it din't fuck his front guard.

[steveyb]

Must be the different sized tyres we have now over what they used to have.

But did everyone see the story on the Ioda TR004 Moto3 bike.
Looks nice.
Honda NSF250R engine, no doubt with some magic dust applied. Will still be down on power cf the KTM.
Price?
Cheap.

73,500 Euros (and that is + VAT if you live in Europe. VAT is over 20% in most countries!!!!!!!!!) and will of course be + GST if bought in here.

I'm sorry, but what planet are these guys on????

[roogazza]

284843284842
Can anyone help me do my timing ??

Yes it's freezing in Kapiti today,time for strange photos.

[Drew]

Can anyone help me do my timing ??

Yes it's freezing in Kapiti today,time for strange photos.I cannot help but wonder, what the fuck the Indian fellow who designed and built that was smoking!

Assumed to be Indian, because it's a Royal Enfield according to the tank.

[Rcktfsh]

284843284842
Can anyone help me do my timing ??

Yes it's freezing in Kapiti today,time for strange photos.

As a onetime Pekapekatonian I guarantee it's colder in welly.

[Robert Taylor]

Must be the different sized tyres we have now over what they used to have.

But did everyone see the story on the Ioda TR004 Moto3 bike.
Looks nice.
Honda NSF250R engine, no doubt with some magic dust applied. Will still be down on power cf the KTM.
Price?
Cheap.

73,500 Euros (and that is + VAT if you live in Europe. VAT is over 20% in most countries!!!!!!!!!) and will of course be + GST if bought in here.

I'm sorry, but what planet are these guys on????

One thats got more well heeled buyers than we have in this colonial backwater. It wont be so long before our consumption tax exceeds 20%, and thats just to feed the never ending grievance gravy train.

[DidJit]

So, anyhoo, here's a nice lil' interview with Mr. Outspoken (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/cal-crutchlow-interview-glory/) pre-Sachsenring.

[Drew]

This is interesting.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jul/130710twocollar.htm

[denill]

Click On - <a href=https://www.facebook.com/SommetSports?hc_location=stream>Facebook</a>

Sommet Sports
16 hours ago
MotoGP:

We will play the Free Practise and Qualifying in FULL midday on Sunday. All of the races will be shown LIVE on Sommet Sports.

[pritch]

This is interesting.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jul/130710twocollar.htm

I have some sympathy for Edwards. There was comment from Doctors following Lorenzo's effort, some of them felt that there should be a mandatory minimum one week stand down after a general anaesthetic - or a concussion.

An anaesthetist told me a year or three back that some anaesthetics "scramble the brain". Riding a 250HP+ GP bike with a scrambled brain sounds like a recipe for disaster.

There was also comment from Steve Martin during a recent WSBK race that a rider who crashes and sustains any damage to the helmet will not be allowed to race again that day. During a recent GP round Marquez(?) had a major off which rendered his helmet badly second hand. He was still allowed to race. But then he does have a Spanish passport, and it was only MotoGP. :whistle:

[Oscar]

I have some sympathy for Edwards. There was comment from Doctors following Lorenzo's effort, some of them felt that there should be a mandatory minimum one week stand down after a general anaesthetic - or a concussion.

An anaesthetist told me a year or three back that some anaesthetics "scramble the brain". Riding a 250HP+ GP bike with a scrambled brain sounds like a recipe for disaster.

There was also comment from Steve Martin during a recent WSBK race that a rider who crashes and sustains any damage to the helmet will not be allowed to race again that day. During a recent GP round Marquez(?) had a major off which rendered his helmet badly second hand. He was still allowed to race. But then he does have a Spanish passport, and it was only MotoGP. :whistle:

Years ago, I had a bad crash in Putaruru Forest (I left an imprint of my face in a mature pinus radiata after failing to land a jump in third gear). I was out cold for 10 minutes, and cracked a vertebrae in my neck.

For about three months afterwards, my brain was mush, I forgot things, had mood swings and was generally mental.
For the two weeks afterwards, I wasn't fit to use any machinery, much less race a bike.

[Crasherfromwayback]

, my brain was mush, I forgot things, had mood swings and was generally mental.
.

Nothings changed! :bleh:

[Oscar]

Nothings changed! :bleh:

It took you 15 minutes to be that predictable.
I am disappointed...:no:

[Drew]

I have some sympathy for Edwards. There was comment from Doctors following Lorenzo's effort, some of them felt that there should be a mandatory minimum one week stand down after a general anaesthetic - or a concussion.

An anaesthetist told me a year or three back that some anaesthetics "scramble the brain". Riding a 250HP+ GP bike with a scrambled brain sounds like a recipe for disaster.

There was also comment from Steve Martin during a recent WSBK race that a rider who crashes and sustains any damage to the helmet will not be allowed to race again that day. During a recent GP round Marquez(?) had a major off which rendered his helmet badly second hand. He was still allowed to race. But then he does have a Spanish passport, and it was only MotoGP. :whistle:I'm not to worried for Edwards. Not being allowed to ride is the right choice.

Just seems a bit shit to me.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It took you 15 minutes to be that predictable.
I am disappointed...:no:

Actually took all of five seconds. I simply wasn't about when you posted it!

[Oscar]

Actually took all of five seconds. I simply wasn't about when you posted it!

Are you saying that you have a life?
Flash bastid...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Are you saying that you have a life?
Flash bastid...

Nah. Just now that I'm finally back at work I can't spend all day every day here. Who ya picking for the top three this round? I'm gonna run with...

Pedro

MM

Rossi

[Drew]

Post a pic of your cock each, and sort this out a bit quicker.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Post a pic of your cock each, and sort this out a bit quicker.

I don't have a strong enough lense in these temps...

[Oscar]

Post a pic of your cock each, and sort this out a bit quicker.

Ask your Mother, I think she's got a picture of mine in her top draw.

[Oscar]

Nah. Just now that I'm finally back at work I can't spend all day every day here. Who ya picking for the top three this round? I'm gonna run with...

Pedro

MM

Rossi

MM (the Dwarf will crash)
Rossi
Cal

[Kendog]

Rossi
Lorenzo
Marquez