MotoGP 2013 [Archive] - Page 8

Mental Trousers

11th July 2013, 22:06

Scott Redding rode an old Suzuki (#34) last weekend in a "parade". He reported that he got his elbow down more than once - in a parade mind.

He is a new convert to a two stroke premier class.

Witnesses of a certain age reported that Redding, being all elbows and knees, had a similar style to the original rider.
Of course, Schwantz was likely doing his GP thing before Redding was even born.

Ahhh yeah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=05aV0aR5ThU#t=260s

Trudes

12th July 2013, 02:41

Lorenzo
Crutchlow
Hayden (I will keep the faith.... maybe it'll rain):rolleyes:

Kendog

12th July 2013, 06:49

Lorenzo
Crutchlow
Hayden (I will keep the faith.... maybe it'll rain):rolleyes:
Welcome to kb. You must be new haven't seen you around.
Now go back to sleep.

merv

12th July 2013, 07:53

Welcome to kb. You must be new haven't seen you around.
Now go back to sleep.

Yeah what was she doing up at that hour, downloading her porn or something when the gigs are free?

Bender

12th July 2013, 08:35

Pedrosa
Marquez
Rossi

DidJit

12th July 2013, 08:53

Paging Dr. Bob (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/July/jul1113-rossi-eager-for-revival/)... (to translate JB’s hints on the M1 front end tweaks).

Drew

12th July 2013, 09:18

Paging Dr. Bob (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/July/jul1113-rossi-eager-for-revival/)... (to translate JB’s hints on the M1 front end tweaks).I can't wrap my tiny brain around it.

That Robert fella is prolly fawning about at Manfield till Saturday night too, so we might not find out any time soon either.

wharfy

12th July 2013, 09:57

I cannot help but wonder, what the fuck the Indian fellow who designed and built that was smoking!

Assumed to be Indian, because it's a Royal Enfield according to the tank.
I assumed it was home made from a couple of Royal Enfield 500's bolted together ?

pritch

12th July 2013, 10:13

Pedro - 'cause he won the last three races at the Sachsenring
Rossi - 'cause he won the one before that
Lorenzo - 'cause he'll be there somewhere

In the August issue of BIKE Mat Oxley's article is called "The Ballsiest Corner Of Them All". Turn 11 at the Sachsenring.

"The lap starts slowly with a few slow corners that bring the riders to the top of a hill at Turn Five. From this left hander they plunge downward at ever-increasing speed and always going left. The succession of the six left handers goes like this: 70mph Turn Five, 95mph Turn Seven, 115mph Turn Nine, 120mph Turn Ten. That's thirty seconds cranked hard left, or to look at it another way, thirty seconds with the right side of the tyre hanging in the breeze and cooling down.

The next corner is where the skill and balls really come in to play. Turn Eleven is a real sort-the-men-from-the-boys corner; a 130mph right hander that takes riders over the crest of a hill, from positive camber to negative camber in the blink of an eye. The corner is also completely blind. And riders charge into it - moments after hooking fouth gear with a big handful of throttle - fully aware that the right side of the tyres might not be as hot and sticky as they need to be."

[snip]

"If all this wasn't enough to put the Corkscrew in the shade, Turn Eleven is also a vital corner that can win or lose a race. therefore it absolutely has to be taken at maximum velocity, because a good run through there delivers the extra speed required to lunge at a rival into Turn Twelve, the penultimate corner and the Sachsenring's traditional last-gasp overtaking point. It was here, if you remember, that Casey Stoner crashed out while attacking Dani Pedrosa last year."

All of which makes the riders appear just a little more God like?

Crasherfromwayback

12th July 2013, 10:25

[All of which just makes the riders appear a little more God like?

Because I don't believe in God...I'm gonna go with *not well*.

Mental Trousers

12th July 2013, 12:54

Paging Dr. Bob (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/July/jul1113-rossi-eager-for-revival/)... (to translate JB’s hints on the M1 front end tweaks).

The way I read it is

when he throttles off and starts to apply the brakes the suspension used to be too soft. What that did was transfer too much weight on the front of the bike too early. Doing that made the softer carcass front tyre work too hard. So they've stiffened part of the suspension that is used when throttling off and starting to apply the brakes. That way the weight doesn't transfer forward as quickly and it doesn't make the tyre distort.

It's the opposite of the problems they had with the Ducati, ie not getting enough weight forward early enough.

Drew

12th July 2013, 12:58

The way I read it is

when he throttles off and starts to apply the brakes the suspension used to be too soft. What that did was transfer too much weight on the front of the bike too early. Doing that made the softer carcass front tyre work too hard. So they've stiffened part of the suspension that is used when throttling off and starting to apply the brakes. That way the weight doesn't transfer forward as quickly and it doesn't make the tyre distort.

It's the opposite of the problems they had with the Ducati, ie not getting enough weight forward early enough.

That makes less sense than what Burgess said bro.

Stiffening "part" of the suspension stroke, doesn't seem like an easy feat to me.

I read it to mean that having the whole front end stiffer, was over working the front hoop. But going softer would upset the feel for Rossi...and probably bottom out and start over working the tyre anyway.

I can only assume some kind of two stage valve has been installed, I'm just not sure how it would be actuated. A poppit valve to a softer shim stack would be pointless, so I assume it needs to be mechanical in action.

Mental Trousers

12th July 2013, 13:09

That makes less sense than what Burgess said bro.

Stiffening "part" of the suspension stroke, doesn't seem like an easy feat to me.

I read it to mean that having the whole front end stiffer, was over working the front hoop. But going softer would upset the feel for Rossi...and probably bottom out and start over working the tyre anyway.

I can only assume some kind of two stage valve has been installed, I'm just not sure how it would be actuated. A poppit valve to a softer shim stack would be pointless, so I assume it needs to be mechanical in action.

Yes, having the whole front end stiffer was the wrong feel for him. But having the front soft put too much work on the tyre. He needs a combination of both - soft feel but limits how quickly the weight transfers.

The shim stacks are just that, a stack of multiple, flexible washer like shims of different sizes. At different fork speeds different shims affect how much dampening there is. So to change the way the fork acts when you throttle off you change the appropriate shim/s for that fork speed.

Rossi likes a lot of weight on the front end, which means a stiffer tyre is better for him. The current soft tyre isn't working well with that setup so they've had to keep the front end relatively soft while at the same time limiting how quickly weight transfers forward.

Drew

12th July 2013, 13:17

Yes, having the whole front end stiffer was the wrong feel for him. But having the front soft put too much work on the tyre. He needs a combination of both - soft feel but limits how quickly the weight transfers.

The shim stacks are just that, a stack of multiple, flexible washer like shims of different sizes. At different fork speeds different shims affect how much dampening there is. So to change the way the fork acts when you throttle off you change the appropriate shim/s for that fork speed.

Rossi likes a lot of weight on the front end, which means a stiffer tyre is better for him. The current soft tyre isn't working well with that setup so they've had to keep the front end relatively soft while at the same time limiting how quickly weight transfers forward.I know how a shim stack works.

What I'm saying is, if you stiffen the stack for increased initial damping, you lose complience for the slower fork speed bumps. If you have some nice big soft shims for the slow speed speed stuff, you lose initial resistance because the oil blows through them easily.

Mental Trousers

12th July 2013, 13:34

I know how a shim stack works.

Others reading this don't though so sometimes things have to be explained in terms that everyone can understand mate.

What I'm saying is, if you stiffen the stack for increased initial damping, you lose complience for the slower fork speed bumps. If you have some nice big soft shims for the slow speed speed stuff, you lose initial resistance because the oil blows through them easily.

If you stiffen the stack overall then yeah. But it sounds like they've only stiffened it in a certain part of the stack while leaving the rest as it was.

Drew

12th July 2013, 14:24

Others reading this don't though so sometimes things have to be explained in terms that everyone can understand mate.

If you stiffen the stack overall then yeah. But it sounds like they've only stiffened it in a certain part of the stack while leaving the rest as it was.Either I've got how they work wrong, you do, or we're talking about different things.

I think Burgess is saying, that in the first part of the stroke (coming from full extension), the damping is hard. As the forks get lower the damping is reduced.

That can't be emulated with a shim stack alone I don't think. Although, a reduced volume of oil displacement for the lower part of the stroke would do the trick...Hmmm. Really need to talk to that Robert weirdo.

Mental Trousers

12th July 2013, 14:40

Either I've got how they work wrong, you do, or we're talking about different things.

It's entirely possible we're both talking out our arses. Robert will sort it out in a way that totally confuses everyone I'm sure.

steveyb

12th July 2013, 16:45

Mid valve.......

ecko_nzed

13th July 2013, 07:54

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/193448/1/pics_jorge_lorenzos_sachsenring_highside.html

Must be gutting for Lorenzo

Drew

13th July 2013, 08:09

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/193448/1/pics_jorge_lorenzos_sachsenring_highside.html

Must be gutting for Lorenzo
Hmmm, that certainly takes some pressure off Pedro. I doubt Lorenzo will be fully fit next week either, and the track will be insanely hard to ride injured.

Right, so now I just hope Marquez doesn't do anything stupid, since he's the only guy consistently on Pedro's tail, and we're golden for his title!

roogazza

13th July 2013, 11:38

Hmmm, that certainly takes some pressure off Pedro. I doubt Lorenzo will be fully fit next week either, and the track will be insanely hard to ride injured.

Right, so now I just hope Marquez doesn't do anything stupid, since he's the only guy consistently on Pedro's tail, and we're golden for his title!

I came down at 11 last night, but of course it doesn't hurt on playstation !!!!! :laugh:

yod

13th July 2013, 11:55

I can't see George getting the title now. Pedrosa is jumping for joy like 2 weeks ago....

http://www.parthsuthar.in/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Yes.jpg

....you never do know tho....MM takes out Dani, broken bones all round and it becomes a scrap between Rossi and Crutchlow for the title?!

BMWST?

13th July 2013, 17:55

I can't see George getting the title now. Pedrosa is jumping for joy like 2 weeks ago....

....you never do know tho....MM takes out Dani, broken bones all round and it becomes a scrap between Rossi and Crutchlow for the title?!

It may look ok for dani but just over a week ago it was looking pretty good for JLo we only 1/3 of the way there

sent from the tag

steveyb

13th July 2013, 20:09

Graphic demonstration of the front tyre flex.
About 14m40 into FP3 Germany, Claudio Corti (first out after rain break) going into T11 at the bottom of the hill, not even a big close up, but you could see the front tyre squish to about half its normal height under braking.
Wicked.

Wow!!! SuperDan!!!

Fingers crossed he is OK.

lostinflyz

13th July 2013, 21:03

if only the rules werent crap and unproductive for replacement riders.

Hayes in for Lorenzo!!!

Crasherfromwayback

13th July 2013, 21:27

Oh how quickly things can change...

Hope the lil fella is ok.

pritch

13th July 2013, 22:20

Pedro has been flown to hospital for tests, has damaged his collarbone again, had low blood pressure and suspected concussion.
As someone else asked,
"Who writes these scripts?"

Crasherfromwayback

13th July 2013, 22:34

"Who writes these scripts?"

Valentino Rossi.

Crasherfromwayback

13th July 2013, 22:36

Pedro has been flown to hospital for tests, has damaged his collarbone again, had low blood pressure and suspected concussion.
As someone else asked,
"Who writes these scripts?"

And here it is. He was only cruising too. So much for the extra safety of traction control etc eh...

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2013/Sachsenring+2013+MotoGP+FP3+Action+Dani+Pedrosa+Cr ash

bogan

13th July 2013, 22:39

Fucks sake, what ever happened to the days of a championship being settled on race day...

Mental Trousers

13th July 2013, 22:50

And here it is. He was only cruising too. So much for the extra safety of traction control etc eh...

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2013/Sachsenring+2013+MotoGP+FP3+Action+Dani+Pedrosa+Cr ash

That looked like a farken weird crash to me. More like something was on the back tyre or there was a software/hardware malfunction than someone pushing past the limits.

Crasherfromwayback

13th July 2013, 22:57

That looked like a farken weird crash to me. More like something was on the back tyre or there was a software/hardware malfunction than someone pushing past the limits.

Looked like a cold tyre biff to me. He was only doodling around. May've been his problem.

steveyb

13th July 2013, 23:29

You could see in his eyes after the crash.
It was like:"Where am I?, what the fuck just happened to me? Why is my shoulder sore?, Where am I?"
Yeah, pretty knocked about.
His shoulder injury could be caused by a jolt through his elbow which landed first.

BUT

What about Espargaro eh????????????

Front row start maybe????????????

Dave-

14th July 2013, 00:18

I can't see George getting the title now. Pedrosa is jumping for joy like 2 weeks ago....

....you never do know tho....MM takes out Dani, broken bones all round and it becomes a scrap between Rossi and Crutchlow for the title?!

AAAAAND this is MM now.

For those who haven't done the sums themselves

MM needs 1st to lead the championship, but he'll only lead by 2 points which means the next few races will be stonking good.

if MM gets 1st, the battle between rossi and crutchlow is seperated by 2 points, with a bit of talent knocked out of this race there's a broader spectrum for those guys to place, so they'll both be going hard, because whoever beats the other will overtake in the championship (assuming they both place in the top 5)

If cal or rossi win neither will overtake MM, even if MM has a DNF.

Crasherfromwayback

14th July 2013, 01:13

If cal or rossi win neither will overtake MM, even if MM has a DNF.

Yeah gonna be an interesting race no matter how close the racing is...

tail_end_charlie

14th July 2013, 01:24

What about Espargaro eh????????????

Front row start maybe????????????

Aleix ends up middle of the 2nd row between Bradl and Hayden. His lap time was pole +0.576............which is actually 0.820 seconds off of the circuit record set by Casey Stoner in 2008 on qualifiers. There is nothing wrong with the idea of the CRT bikes or their implementation like most people have said, its just they need riders that can get their full potential out of them. And Aleix is riding the fuckin' wheels off of his!!!!!!!

tail_end_charlie

14th July 2013, 01:26

Yeah gonna be an interesting race no matter how close the racing is...

So lets say that DP doesn't race, and MM Rossi and Cal podium.............................that would end up having the top 5 within 40 pts of eachother.

DAMN that's close............

Crasherfromwayback

14th July 2013, 01:32

. There is nothing wrong with the idea of the CRT bikes or their implementation like most people have said, its just they need riders that can get their full potential out of them. And Aleix is riding the fuckin' wheels off of his!!!!!!!

This track is a bit of an oddity though don't forget. But for sure..the man is riding the wheels of it!

So lets say that DP doesn't race, and MM Rossi and Cal podium.............................that would end up having the top 5 within 40 pts of eachother.

DAMN that's close............

It's a fucking interesting season for sure. Bit like a good thriller. Lots of twists and turns!

tail_end_charlie

14th July 2013, 01:45

This track is a bit of an oddity though don't forget. But for sure..the man is riding the wheels of it!

Yes, ok, valid point. Hopefully he'll do good and Leguna as well.

It's a fucking interesting season for sure. Bit like a good thriller. Lots of twists and turns!

Definitely

Crasherfromwayback

14th July 2013, 01:48

Laguna as well.

If you ever want to go to a GP where you can be assured that it won't rain...Laguna Seca is the one for you. Fucking awesome it is. Can't wait to go there again.

tail_end_charlie

14th July 2013, 02:02

If you ever want to go to a GP where you can be assured that it won't rain...Laguna Seca is the one for you. Fucking awesome it is. Can't wait to go there again.

When I move back to the States I'll make sure to make that one. While I'm here though, I need to jump across the ditch and watch at least one at PI.

Crasherfromwayback

14th July 2013, 02:05

While I'm here though, I need to jump across the ditch and watch at least one at PI.

Make sure you do. But don't start me on Stoner at turn 3!

roogazza

14th July 2013, 07:55

http://www.motomatters.com/results/2013/07/13/2013_sachsenring_motogp_qp_result_one_do.html
The stars are aligning again for Rossi !! :corn:

yod

14th July 2013, 09:37

I'd be feeling a little bit shite if I was RdP, 1.3 down on EsA.....

trustme

14th July 2013, 10:37

If I was Danni, I'd sit it out & get well. There are still 10 races to go. I struggled a bit with JLo racing, was he brave or foolhardy ?, it was not the tail end of the season, there were still a lot of races & if he aggravated the injury it was going to make things harder for him. Lots of guts but not so many smarts imho.

Drew

14th July 2013, 10:48

I'm getting a familiar feeling for Danni. Fuck does that guy have the worst luck ever!

So now, I'm gonna hope for Rossi this round, and see what happens. Be watching free practice on summet shortly.

Robert Taylor

14th July 2013, 11:02

Robert Taylor

14th July 2013, 11:06

It's entirely possible we're both talking out our arses. Robert will sort it out in a way that totally confuses everyone I'm sure.

If someone directs me to or re-posts the article ( or whatever it was ) as Im too incapable of finding it, but am intrigued.

Drew

14th July 2013, 11:08

If someone directs me to or re-posts the article ( or whatever it was ) as Im too incapable of finding it, but am intrigued.Hover yer mouse over the bit that say's paging Dr Bob mate.

Mental Trousers

14th July 2013, 11:11

If someone directs me to or re-posts the article ( or whatever it was ) as Im too incapable of finding it, but am intrigued.

Paging Dr. Bob (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/July/jul1113-rossi-eager-for-revival/)... (to translate JB’s hints on the M1 front end tweaks).

Try that.

Robert Taylor

14th July 2013, 11:25

Try that.

Thanks. Yes its actually quite easy to achieve what Rossi wanted. Will post about it later in the day

tail_end_charlie

14th July 2013, 12:12

Mental Trousers

14th July 2013, 12:18

Glad I didn't take up that bet with Crasher about Bradley Smith never making the top five. The kid qualified 7th ahead of Bautista and Dovi (although behind a CRT still, LOL).

Someone may end up owing a box of piss after tonight................................maybe.

Good thing I'm thirsty eh ......... :beer:

Crasherfromwayback

14th July 2013, 12:29

steveyb

14th July 2013, 12:38

I find it somewhat interesting that most of the talk on here is about the premier class, yet at NZSBK whenever the thought of rationalising classes is bought up there are howls of protest. Yet, those same howls seem less interested in classes other than premier classes.

Anyway, just watched the Moto2 QP, wow. How hot was that. Simeon going from 15th or something to 1st in one lap, awesome.
That third sector is a real bastard for most of the riders eh?

Crasherfromwayback

14th July 2013, 12:51

.
That third sector is a real bastard for most of the riders eh?

I reckon it's actually a cool lil track. Be fun to ride I reckon. Think it was there that I remember KR Jnr pulling a great (but pretty hard) move on Barros I think it was. But yeah...the first right hander after all those lefts is catching a shitload of them out. Bit like *Splash* at Manfeild. God know's I've eaten tarmac there plenty of times by being too keen.

pritch

14th July 2013, 12:56

Thanks. Yes its actually quite easy to achieve what Rossi wanted. Will post about it later in the day

I await your comments with interest.

On the unusually competitive Espagaro: the tight nature of the "go-kart" track is such that the extra power of the factory bikes is minimised.
The CRT tyres are also seen as advantageous.

On the crashes: some riders, even those who haven't crashed, say the track is dangerous. There are ten left turns but just three right, most crashes have been at turns four and eleven where the direction changes from l to r. A (130mph) crash at 11 usually means a trip to the Clinica Mobile. A quick(ish) fix is thought to be asymmetric tyres. Shame they didn't think of that earlier?

Crasherfromwayback

14th July 2013, 13:03

. A (130mph) crash at 11 usually means a trip to the Clinica Mobile. A quick(ish) fix is thought to be asymmetric tyres. Shame they didn't think of that earlier?

Remember Stoner going over the bubble there in practice last year? Nasty. But the track is not dangerous. It's like how they call certain roads in NZ dangerous. They're not. Not if you driveon them accordingly. Same goes for turn 11 at this track.

tail_end_charlie

14th July 2013, 13:33

....................A quick(ish) fix is thought to be asymmetric tyres. Shame they didn't think of that earlier?

From what I have seen/heard/read Bstone have brought asymmetric to Germany. In fact, the rubber on the right side of the tyre is two grades softer than that on the left so as to warm up quickly enough to grip on the right handers. But it seems that it takes about two laps to get the proper temp into the tyres to get optimum grip from them (most of the riders set their fastest lap on the third or fourth lap of each outing during Q2).

Mental Trousers

14th July 2013, 13:56

With 13 left handers and 3 right handers Bridgestone would be insane not to take asymetric tyres to the Sachsenring.

Drew

14th July 2013, 14:38

With 13 left handers and 3 right handers Bridgestone would be insane not to take asymetric tyres to the Sachsenring.

Have they put some cones in the front straight or summat?

Mental Trousers

14th July 2013, 14:59

Have they put some cones in the front straight or summat?

I can't count - should've been 10 & 4

http://worm-motorsport.de/images/Rennstrecken/sachsenring.png

tail_end_charlie

14th July 2013, 17:08

........A quick(ish) fix is thought to be asymmetric tyres. Shame they didn't think of that earlier?

Sorry pritch, were you talking about a asymmetrical front or rear tyre? The rear is an asymmetric, and David Emmett (http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2013/07/14/2013_sachsenring_motogp_round_up_pedrosa.html) goes into detail on the reasoning behind there not being any asymmetrical front tyres from Bridgestone.

haydes55

14th July 2013, 17:22

Sorry pritch, were you talking about a asymmetrical front or rear tyre? The rear is an asymmetric, and David Emmett (http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2013/07/14/2013_sachsenring_motogp_round_up_pedrosa.html) goes into detail on the reasoning behind there not being any asymmetrical front tyres from Bridgestone.

Which is a shame because the right hand crashes were predominantly front ends tucking in.

Crasherfromwayback

14th July 2013, 17:30

Which is a shame because the right hand crashes were predominantly front ends tucking in.

Although the REAL nasty ones (Lorenzo & Pedro) were both rears/high sides like the good old days.

tail_end_charlie

14th July 2013, 17:35

Although the REAL nasty ones (Lorenzo & Pedro) were both rears/high sides like the good old days.

Yeah, seems like an interesting combination. Cal, Dovi, Nicky and Bradl all had front end crashes in right handers, while Jorge, Dani and Nicky (he saved his............somehow) had the rear come around and try to pass the front.

I thought modern electronics were suppose to prevent highsides like JL and DP's??

Crasherfromwayback

14th July 2013, 17:39

I thought modern electronics were suppose to prevent highsides like JL and DP's??

Yeah as far as *safety* goes...I reckon I''ve seen as many nasty high sides with the electronics as I did when they were on 500's. DP's one you'll never be able to stop, as it was on a chopped throttle so just a cold tyre issue really I guess. But fuck did he fly!!!

Robert Taylor

14th July 2013, 18:42

I await your comments with interest.

On the unusually competitive Espagaro: the tight nature of the "go-kart" track is such that the extra power of the factory bikes is minimised.
The CRT tyres are also seen as advantageous.

On the crashes: some riders, even those who haven't crashed, say the track is dangerous. There are ten left turns but just three right, most crashes have been at turns four and eleven where the direction changes from l to r. A (130mph) crash at 11 usually means a trip to the Clinica Mobile. A quick(ish) fix is thought to be asymmetric tyres. Shame they didn't think of that earlier?

Ive decided not to post about this as my competitors doubtless read my posts and Im not going to make it any easier for them as they speak to their suppliers. Im not saying that smugly, I pulled apart a competitors brand of shock and cartridges just last week and the amount of components that are a direct copy of our Ohlins product is unbelievable. Including some of the same shortcomings....Its easy to copy on the back of another companies R&D costs, pretty immoral really.

We have been doing work in the direction of alternate fork damping curve shapes ourselves and the new suspension dyno has been wonderful in graphically seeing the changes and getting a solid and in fact a largely foolproof direction before you test . Pritch, as you are a local to New Plymouth and now a man of leisure Id be happy to show you some of the things we are up to if you call in for a coffee one day.

onearmedbandit

14th July 2013, 18:46

Quick before it gets pulled down.

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Crasherfromwayback

14th July 2013, 18:57

Quick before it gets pulled down.

Yeah was well nasty eh!?

Drew

14th July 2013, 19:01

Ive decided not to post about this as my competitors doubtless read my posts and Im not going to make it any easier for them as they speak to their suppliers. Im not saying that smugly, I pulled apart a competitors brand of shock and cartridges just last week and the amount of components that are a direct copy of our Ohlins product is unbelievable. Including some of the same shortcomings....Its easy to copy on the back of another companies R&D costs, pretty immoral really.

We have been doing work in the direction of alternate fork damping curve shapes ourselves and the new suspension dyno has been wonderful in graphically seeing the changes and getting a solid and in fact a largely foolproof direction before you test . Pritch, as you are a local to New Plymouth and now a man of leisure Id be happy to show you some of the things we are up to if you call in for a coffee one day.Dude, I was just on the phone to you. Could have at least tried to dumb it down enough for me!

steveyb

14th July 2013, 19:07

Words of three letters would not work, sorry, it's just too complicated for that.

Now, having written that, he won't be able to understand it. Can someone translate it for him......??:rolleyes:

You have good mates (fuck knows how or why) who work the telephone for you.... ahhh didums.

Drew

14th July 2013, 19:09

steveyb

14th July 2013, 19:11

bogan

14th July 2013, 19:16

I pulled apart a competitors brand of shock and cartridges just last week and the amount of components that are a direct copy of our Ohlins product is unbelievable. Including some of the same shortcomings....Its easy to copy on the back of another companies R&D costs, pretty immoral really.

Best get that electrickery suspension sorted then, a lot harder to copy what's on a silicon chip...

steveyb

14th July 2013, 19:20

You got beat up a lot as a kid, didn't you Steve?

Not telling,

I'm not

telling.....

sniff:oi-grr:

haydes55

14th July 2013, 19:40

Best get that electrickery suspension sorted then, a lot harder to copy what's on a silicon chip...

Ctrl+C Ctrl+P

Or something like that

Robert Taylor

14th July 2013, 19:59

Best get that electrickery suspension sorted then, a lot harder to copy what's on a silicon chip...

Yes there is electronic interface, there still though are hydraulic valving shims and various piston designs. It doesnt matter how much electronic trickery there is, the analog parts still fundamentally have to be in the zone.

Robert Taylor

14th July 2013, 20:00

Dude, I was just on the phone to you. Could have at least tried to dumb it down enough for me!

You could visit too for coffee.

Crasherfromwayback

14th July 2013, 20:04

You could visit too for coffee.

Would you like me to share my coffee making secrets?

BMWST?

14th July 2013, 20:06

I think it was Johnny Rea when he was in the com-box yesterday was talking about how the B'stones need to be loaded as much as possible.
He said that when they unload they seem to lose grip a lot and can be hard to reestablish that grip in the same moments and they can let go.
Maybe they just wobble about too much and do need to have some more structure to them? Just like Vale and others were saying last year.
When I saw that front flatten out yesterday I was quite shocked actually. From an amateurs point of view, it didn't seem to be cricket.

thye seem to very flexy in the sidewall but very stiff across the actual grip surface.I noticed to day that Marques is very fast (but still fairly smooth in transitions from Lto R and visa versa,he seems quicker than anyone else(who has an onboard camera anyway)Bradl looks pretty focussed and aggressive,only about 30 mins to go!

Drew

14th July 2013, 20:19

Would you like me to share my coffee making secrets?

Oh good lord, that stuff Will he the end of humanity if you teach how to make it!

merv

14th July 2013, 20:20

Oh good lord, that stuff Will he the end of humanity if you teach how to make it!

Would it go well in Ohlins forks?

Drew

14th July 2013, 20:29

Would it go well in Ohlins forks?

Na. The lumps would cause the shims to not close properly.

Robert Taylor

14th July 2013, 20:46

Would you like me to share my coffee making secrets?

Ive heard about your coffee Pete! Im still coming down to Wellington at some stage to embarass your drinking skills

Robert Taylor

14th July 2013, 20:47

Na. The lumps would cause the shims to not close properly.

If you travel to the oil capital of NZ you will get to see our shock dyno and also to witness that we are certifiably nuts

Crasherfromwayback

14th July 2013, 20:50

Ive heard about your coffee Pete! Im still coming down to Wellington at some stage to embarass your drinking skills

Many a person has tried before you. Nearly all have failed miserably.

steveyb

14th July 2013, 20:52

Pedro OUT.

tail_end_charlie

14th July 2013, 21:04

Pedro OUT.

Well shit. That's going to bring the points back together quite nicely.

Dave-

14th July 2013, 21:29

If someone directs me to or re-posts the article ( or whatever it was ) as Im too incapable of finding it, but am intrigued.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/July/jul1113-rossi-eager-for-revival/

sil3nt

14th July 2013, 21:33

Anyone know how the different classes compare in cornering speed? Would Moto3 be cornering faster than MotoGP? I can't find anything on the internet comparing mid corner speeds.

haydes55

14th July 2013, 21:44

Anyone know how the different classes compare in cornering speed? Would Moto3 be cornering faster than MotoGP? I can't find anything on the internet comparing mid corner speeds.

They only weigh 65kg in moto3. But slimmer tires. I'd suggest faster first half of the corner.

What a finish! I was sure Salom had it in the bag with the lead he pulled so fast!

steveyb

14th July 2013, 22:03

Bone graft for George.
Ouch! Harvesting bone from the ilial crest on the pelvis is supposed to hurt like a fucking hurty thing.
They must have had to lose a piece of the clavicle during the op.
Hope it takes, 'cos it doesn't always.
I am surprised actually that given that it has a new plate that they didn't use a sacrificial bone cement.
Oh, yeah, my bad, they don't really have any such thing yet.

Damn NZ govt for not funding my research.......:mad::angry:

Crasherfromwayback

14th July 2013, 22:08

Bone graft for George.
Ouch! Harvesting bone from the ilial crest on the pelvis is supposed to hurt like a fucking hurty thing.
They must have had to lose a piece of the clavicle during the op.
:

Yeah it's not that pleasant mate. Just recently had it done for my ankle fusion. But they normally just use it to speed up the healing process in this instance I believe.

Asher

14th July 2013, 22:10

Channel 114 on freeview has GP live.

Im really hoping Cal can sort out the first half of his race and finish first and im interested to see how Marco will do without having Dani to follow.

george formby

14th July 2013, 22:15

What a finish! I was sure Salom had it in the bag with the lead he pulled so fast!

Looked like he put down his tea & biscuit & went to work with that pass. He was kept real, though.

I think MotoGp would have a far bigger audience if the grid girls flashed their tits now & again. Crikey!

steveyb

14th July 2013, 22:15

Is the red-head NGM Forward racing brolly chick dirty hot, or just plain smoking hot?

tail_end_charlie

14th July 2013, 23:21

Is the red-head NGM Forward racing brolly chick dirty hot, or just plain smoking hot?

Definitely dirty smoking hot. The GIVI girl of Bradl's isn't too hard to look at either.

Crasherfromwayback

14th July 2013, 23:21

Is the red-head NGM Forward racing brolly chick dirty hot, or just plain smoking hot?

Either way...I'd like to do white wees up her front bum.

tail_end_charlie

15th July 2013, 01:04

Cal Crutchlow................hell yeah. Showin'em what a satellite bike can do.

Crasherfromwayback

15th July 2013, 01:14

Cal Crutchlow................hell yeah. Showin'em what a satellite bike can do.

Awesome ride by him. Needs to shut the fuck up now about the diff between his bike and the factory bike. Thank fuck none of the top five binned it. Would be giving MT beer by now other wise...

sugilite

15th July 2013, 01:19

Crasherfromwayback

15th July 2013, 01:22

What an amazingly topsy turvey season. Many predicted MM would do well but crash often, yet it is his consistency that has him leading the championship, with Lorenzo and Pedrosa nursing the war wounds!

I said to a work mate when MM crashed out of Mugello that they'd (the top guns) all have at least one DNf for the season.

tail_end_charlie

15th July 2013, 01:45

Awesome ride by him. Needs to shut the fuck up now about the diff between his bike and the factory bike. Thank fuck none of the top five binned it. Would be giving MT beer by now other wise...

I think he would like that new fuel tank the factory bikes have been using. Seems that Cal's weak points right now are the start and first five laps or so, and getting clean passes when he needs them. Supposedly that fuel tank would help with his pace at the start, but to be honest he probably needs that "I'm the underdog because I don't have as good equipment but I'm still beating them" thought process. It's really interesting to see how much he has improved over his MotoGP career though.

boman

15th July 2013, 07:53

Great racing, especially from Crutchlow. But I cannot seem to like that smug little MM shite. He seems to irk me as much as the late one used too..,

Bring on Laguna Seca, and the ability to record and watch at sociable hours.

Crasherfromwayback

15th July 2013, 08:39

[ But I cannot seem to like that smug little MM shite. He seems to irk me as much as the late one used too..,

]

Weird. He strikes me as a very humble and polite wee chap. But then I liked the late one too...:baby:

Mental Trousers

15th July 2013, 08:54

Crasherfromwayback

15th July 2013, 09:01

How did Bautista avoid brain fade ....... so close. Don't go spending that money bro!!

lol. But had Pedro and Lorenzo been there it'd still only be an 8th place Bro! But I was worried that one of the top five was gonna bin it...

Oscar

15th July 2013, 09:17

lol. But had Pedro and Lorenzo been there it'd still only be an 8th place Bro!

And if my granny had wheels she'd be a wagon.

Crasherfromwayback

15th July 2013, 09:29

And if my granny had wheels she'd be a wagon.

Correct. Could cost me a bit of beer this bloody season.

pritch

15th July 2013, 09:29

Sorry pritch, were you talking about a asymmetrical front or rear tyre? The rear is an asymmetric, and David Emmett (http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2013/07/14/2013_sachsenring_motogp_round_up_pedrosa.html) goes into detail on the reasoning behind there not being any asymmetrical front tyres from Bridgestone.

Following TECs authoritative response I was wondering if it was just the front. I read stuff from so many sources that I can't always remember where I saw things. It may just have been the front, and I will read Mr Emmetts comments.

nudemetalz

15th July 2013, 12:22

Good to see Espargaro on the Aspar CRT sticking it to the prototypes there for a bit, considering it's supposedly based on an RSV4 engine....

Oscar

15th July 2013, 12:26

Mental Trousers

15th July 2013, 12:46

There was a comment in the coverage along the lines that the Assen race was the first full distance dry weather race in 20(?) years where a full field finished and no one was lapped. I think this morning only Bryan Starring was lapped.

He got rather banged up in Qualifying (or FP4??). He literally crawled on hands and knees off the track then they loaded him onto a stretcher. Not sure if he was severely winded or what but I'm guessing he's a bit lucky to have been able to race.

Maybe these CRT bikes aren't as bad as I expected.

It was always going to take time. Dorna are having to juggle a couple of opposing requirements, they need to keep the manufacturers interested but at the same time they have to try and make it cheap enough to attract more teams. The factories have huge investments in the series but nobody else can put that sort of money into it and yet they all have to be competitive (competitive but with the factories winning so they don't throw a tanty and leave).

Next season should interesting though. Sounds like there's quite a few teams that are very keen on getting hold of the Yamaha lease engines.

slowpoke

15th July 2013, 15:14

Great racing, especially from Crutchlow. But I cannot seem to like that smug little MM shite. He seems to irk me as much as the late one used too..,

Here's me seeing it the other way 'round. MM says fuckall and leaves all his talking 'til he's on track.

Crutchlow just dribbles endless shit. Goes into very public talks with Ducati, turns down a 2 year contract with Tech 3, gets his arse handed to him by Honda's 3rd choice rider (Dovi), pointedly leaves Yamaha off his Chrissy card list every time he speaks to the media and then wonders why he hasn't got a Factory contract?! Lemme see: Lorenzo.... Rossi......or Crutchlow. Not to mention he finally got his wish, tried the Factory frame......... and didn't like even it! He's riding well but he's dumber than a dumb thing.

Hard yards for Lorenzo and Pedrosa I reckon: MM binned it more times at one meeting (Mugello?) than JL/DP have in 2 seasons and MM's the one who walks away unscathed....fact is stranger than fiction.

slowpoke

15th July 2013, 15:22

Good to see Espargaro on the Aspar CRT sticking it to the prototypes there for a bit, considering it's supposedly based on an RSV4 engine....

I'd love to se him take CC's or AB's ride next season, he's been a revelation.

GD66

15th July 2013, 16:37

Good to see Espargaro on the Aspar CRT sticking it to the prototypes there for a bit, considering it's supposedly based on an RSV4 engine....

Fabulous effort to stick it on grid 5 in qualifying, .5 sec off pole. And he hung in there with the boys for the first two laps, didn't even appear to be too short of legs down the hill to turn 12. Mighty impressive, and all done with a big smile. A good lad.

denill

15th July 2013, 16:52

Fabulous effort to stick it on grid 5 in qualifying, .5 sec off pole. And he hung in there with the boys for the first two laps, didn't even appear to be too short of legs down the hill to turn 12. Mighty impressive, and all done with a big smile. A good lad.

Yep, agree. But we need to take note of what someone has said. That it is a bit of a GoKart track.

denill

15th July 2013, 16:58

Great racing, especially from Crutchlow. But I cannot seem to like that smug little MM shite. He seems to irk me as much as the late one used.

It's not a fukn personality contest

Drew

15th July 2013, 17:18

It's not a fukn personality contestThe races aren't. The rest?...

Kendog

15th July 2013, 18:58

But I cannot seem to like that smug little MM shite. He seems to irk me as much as the late one used too..,
Considering English is a second language and he is soo young, he comes across really well.
Crutchlow on the other hand, what a moaner.

tail_end_charlie

15th July 2013, 21:19

There was a comment in the coverage along the lines that the Assen race was the first full distance dry weather race in 20(?) years where a full field finished and no one was lapped. I think this morning only Bryan Starring was lapped.

Maybe these CRT bikes aren't as bad as I expected.

23 – The current strength in depth of both rider and machinery in the MotoGP class is illustrated by the fact that none of the 23 riders that finished the MotoGP race in Assen were lapped by the race leader at the end of the 26-lap Dutch TT. The last time that as many as 23 riders finished on the same lap as the winner in a full-length race in the premier-class was the 1980 German 500 GP, which was run over just six laps of the original 22.8 km Nurburgring circuit.

tail_end_charlie

15th July 2013, 21:37

Here's me seeing it the other way 'round. MM says fuckall and leaves all his talking 'til he's on track.

Crutchlow just dribbles endless shit. Goes into very public talks with Ducati Just like practically everyone else because Ducati were putting up big money and a factory seat., turns down a 2 year contract with Tech 3, gets his arse handed to him by Honda's 3rd choice rider (Dovi) Dovi was on his 5th season in MotoGP, Cal in his 2nd. Oh, and at this point last year Dovi was sitting on 92 with three 3rd places, Cal has 107 with two 2nd and two 3rd., pointedly leaves Yamaha off his Chrissy card list every time he speaks to the media and then wonders why he hasn't got a Factory contract?! Lemme see: Lorenzo.... Rossi......or Crutchlow. Not to mention he finally got his wish, tried the Factory frame......... and didn't like even it! Interestingly enough its the same frame that JL and VR tried and didn't like either.......so none of them are using it.He's riding well but he's dumber than a dumb thing.

Hard yards for Lorenzo and Pedrosa I reckon: MM binned it more times at one meeting (Mugello?) than JL/DP have in 2 seasons and MM's the one who walks away unscathed....fact is stranger than fiction.

I just like the fact that Cal has a personality. That and he is riding pretty damn good.

GD66

15th July 2013, 22:50

He's a brave bastard, and after seeing some of his practice crashes when he has subsequently raced with good speed shortly afterwards, he's one tough hombre.
Respect.

codgyoleracer

16th July 2013, 07:29

denill

16th July 2013, 07:41

He's a brave bastard, and after seeing some of his practice crashes when he has subsequently raced with good speed shortly afterwards, he's one tough hombre.
Respect.

Yeah, agree with what ya say. (In fact, I truly respect every one of them.)

And even though the Tech 3 has the goods, it's not got the backing and infrasructure of a works team. So both he and they are doing good...........

roogazza

16th July 2013, 08:28

Yeah, agree with what ya say. (In fact, I truly respect every one of them.)

And even though the Tech 3 has the goods, it's not got the backing and infrasructure of a works team. So both he and they are doing good...........
Though he's 28 yrs old he hasn't been round that long and seems to be putting in 120 %. He's in a hurry to make a name for himself and of course with that he's putting it all on the line. How long you can do that relates to luck as well. I saw him have quite a biggie right in front of me over a month ago now and he was hurting/crawling around on his hands and knees. I don't like the odds of riding like that forever.
Rossi and CC seem to be close on track but one is doing it easier by stepping back, the other trying his heart out.

roogazza

17th July 2013, 08:44

Nice to hear these guys are human after all ?
I remember sitting on the side of a road for a while in Sydney as a young fella. I had borrowed a CB450, hadn't experienced kill switches before !!!!! :Oops:
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2013/07/16/laguna_seca_injury_update_part_2_iannone.html

Bender

17th July 2013, 09:34

No Factory Ducati for Hayden next year (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/July/jul1613-hayden-told-no-factory-ducati/)

He's been a class act all the way through and now his "reward" is a Panigale? :shit::sick:

Mental Trousers

17th July 2013, 10:33

Tony.OK

17th July 2013, 11:05

Cleve

17th July 2013, 12:04

Laguna baby! http://motomatters.com/news/2013/07/16/laguna_baby_things_to_do_at_the_us_grand.html
My predictions.
I think both Lor and Ped will race. Not because of each other but of Marq. I predict then if Marq crashes out and is injured pre race then both Lor and Ped will withdraw

DidJit

17th July 2013, 12:54

No Factory Ducati for Hayden next year (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/July/jul1613-hayden-told-no-factory-ducati/)...

Soup (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2005mgp/lagunaseca/tim05/) are doing their best to cheer him up. I reckon Nicky will land on his feet. He might even have some fun this weekend...

... I think both Lor and Ped will race. Not because of each other but of Marq...

Good point. Márquez — phenomenal talent that he is — hasn’t been to Laguna Seca, has he? I'm sure he’ll pick it up quick enough, though...

Crasherfromwayback

17th July 2013, 13:03

[Good point. Márquez — phenomenal talent that he is — hasn’t been to Laguna Seca, has he? I'm sure he’ll pick it up quick enough, though...

Yeah he should've at least gone and ridden a street bike there to get a feel for it I reckon!

sugilite

17th July 2013, 13:13

I'd really like to see what Nicky can do in the world supers series :yes:

Drew

17th July 2013, 14:26

As long as Suzuki don't do anything as stupid, as signing Hayden, it's no real loss to the series.

He's a good front man for the team, but that isn't what they line up for at the end of the day.

I am struggling to predict with any form of guess at all, for this weekend. Pedro will ride I think, and if he's fit he'll do well.

Crutchlow will crash his brains out in practice...again I think. So here's hoping he doesn't get too hurt, because he will be a contender.

Rossi will be subdued I imagine. He'll be running with the front guys, and I guess we'll find out for sure if he's still got the drive of old.

Lorenzo would be a fuckin idiot to ride. Yamaha aren't gonna drop him if he doesn't win the title due to injury. Heal up, and try to keep up with MM next year I say.

MM, pfft, too tough to call. If he finishes, I struggle to see anyone beating him. The track suits his attitude...MORE MOGREL!

Drew

17th July 2013, 14:27

I'd really like to see what Nicky can do in the world supers series :yes:I just don't think he's got the fight in him.

It wasn't even there the year he won his GP title.

Crasherfromwayback

17th July 2013, 14:30

It wasn't even there the year he won his GP title.

Can't agree with that. He rode the last round with a cracked shoulder without telling anyone to secure it after Pdro had skittled him the round before. Title was earnt fair and square.

Drew

17th July 2013, 14:35

Can't agree with that. He rode the last round with a cracked shoulder without telling anyone to secure it after Pdro had skittled him the round before. Title was earnt fair and square.He won it, and earned it. No question.

But he didn't have to take a fight to anyone the whole way through, that I saw anyway. He rode a smart and effective season, and was rewarded for it with the crown as he should have been.

GD66

17th July 2013, 15:55

In his defence, he has put the Duke on the podium three times. But he's little more than a field-filler now. Even struggles to sound convincing when he's talking the talk these days...

denill

17th July 2013, 16:47

In his defence, he has put the Duke on the podium three times. But he's little more than a field-filler now. Even struggles to sound convincing when he's talking the talk these days...

Someone wrote: 3 American rounds in 2014, and a distinct possibility of no American riders...........

sugilite

17th July 2013, 17:21

I just don't think he's got the fight in him.

It wasn't even there the year he won his GP title.

I reckon he may surprise as he has been on that shitter for 6 years now with some big name team mates over that period, but only Stoner gave him the learn. Be cool to see Haden on a BMW or Kwaka.

Trudes

17th July 2013, 18:57

*sigh*
I did offer Nicky a ride on my bucket, but alas he was pretty committed to the Ducati at that point, maybe he might be keen now. ;)
I'd like to see Nicky stay in MotoGP, just because that's what he says he wants to do, he can't do much worse by riding a non-factory something in my opinion.
Then again, if he went to Superbikes..... that could be interesting too. I just hope he gets a ride on something somewhere and doesn't have to retire when he still feels he has more in the tank.

roogazza

17th July 2013, 19:23

*sigh*
I did offer Nicky a ride on my bucket, but alas he was pretty committed to the Ducati at that point, maybe he might be keen now.
I'd like to see Nicky stay in MotoGP,

Easy Trudes..... you're not thinking with your head ! :drool: lol.

roogazza

17th July 2013, 19:25

Someone wrote: 3 American rounds in 2014, and a distinct possibility of no American riders...........

Seems they've had their turn for a while Bill unless Ben Pies can find himself ?

roogazza

18th July 2013, 19:03

Seems they've had their turn for a while Bill unless Ben Pies can find himself ?

A little bit from D E. to keep ya busy till Sunday.
http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2013/07/16/motogp_silly_season_update_2_satellite_h.html

Drew

18th July 2013, 20:01

A little bit from D E. to keep ya busy till Sunday.
http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2013/07/16/motogp_silly_season_update_2_satellite_h.htmlBlood y hell that's a long article.

Interesting though.

DidJit

19th July 2013, 12:03

... A quick(ish) fix is thought to be asymmetric tyres. Shame they didn't think of that earlier?

... and David Emmett (http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2013/07/14/2013_sachsenring_motogp_round_up_pedrosa.html) goes into detail on the reasoning behind there not being any asymmetrical front tyres from Bridgestone.

Bridgestone’s official reasoning (http://motomatters.com/press_release/2013/07/18/bridgestone_press_release_shinji_aoki_ex.html) behind why there are no asymmetric front tyres. (DE already covered it, but here it is in an official press release.)

DidJit

19th July 2013, 12:27

Laguna Seca press conference (http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2013/What+Theyre+Saying+Laguna+Secas+Thursday+Press+Con ference)... (Free video if you register.)

Cleve

19th July 2013, 13:57

When someone asked Rossi how Márquez will find the notoriously tricky hillside circuit, the nine-time champ deadpanned and said, “Easy!” Then he started laughing, then he got serious again. “No, Laguna is a very, very difficult track; it is something very particular… But anyway, I expect this f***ing bastard to be faster than me!”

Crasherfromwayback

19th July 2013, 14:26

HenryDorsetCase

19th July 2013, 16:07

Drew

19th July 2013, 17:48

I dunno. That crafty old dog is pretty fucking good round there!Yeah, I dunno if he's taking the piss, playing games, or being genuine. Glad I aint racing against him.

onearmedbandit

19th July 2013, 18:46

Hayden not having the fight in him? Come on any fucker who has made it to MotoGP don't need to prove they have the fight to any armchair critic. And you could say 'yes but compared to....', I still call bullshit. We only see from these guys what the PR machines show us, we know nothing of their 'fight'.

Drew

19th July 2013, 19:35

Matt Bleck

19th July 2013, 19:42

Screw the PR bulshit. My opinion is based on the riding as I see it.

Come on bay, that Duck is a POS, only one person as really punted that thing proper like and he was a freak! :msn-wink:

tail_end_charlie

19th July 2013, 19:50

Have seen some criticism of Nicky having 'only' three GP wins, but if you look closely, the only people in MotoGP now with more wins to their name are Rossi, Lorenzo and Pedrosa................and one of those has never won a championship............................

denill

20th July 2013, 09:03

1 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 262.9 1'22.757
2 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 265.4 1'22.848 0.091 / 0.091
3 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 252.6 1'22.980 0.223 / 0.132
4 6 Stefan BRADL GER LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 262.8 1'23.033 0.276 / 0.053
5 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA GO&FUN Honda Gresini Honda 266.1 1'23.255 0.498 / 0.222
6 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 263.9 1'23.380 0.623 / 0.125
7 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Power Electronics Aspar ART 254.2 1'23.905 1.148 / 0.525
8 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Ducati Team Ducati 263.6 1'23.927 1.170 / 0.022
9 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 253.1 1'24.287 1.530 / 0.360
10 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA Power Electronics Aspar ART 251.5 1'24.363 1.606 / 0.076
11 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 255.6 1'24.441 1.684 / 0.078
12 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Avintia Blusens FTR 253.9 1'24.467 1.710 / 0.026
13 15 Alex DE ANGELIS RSM Ignite Pramac Racing Ducati 261.4 1'25.133 2.376 / 0.666
14 68 Yonny HERNANDEZ COL Paul Bird Motorsport ART 244.0 1'25.309 2.552 / 0.176
15 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Cardion AB Motoracing ART 255.4 1'25.394 2.637 / 0.085
16 7 Hiroshi AOYAMA JPN Avintia Blusens FTR 251.1 1'25.451 2.694 / 0.057
17 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Came IodaRacing Project Ioda-Suter 254.0 1'25.594 2.837 / 0.143
18 5 Colin EDWARDS USA NGM Mobile Forward Racing FTR Kawasaki 251.3 1'25.664 2.907 / 0.070
19 71 Claudio CORTI ITA NGM Mobile Forward Racing FTR Kawasaki 253.3 1'25.770 3.013 / 0.106
20 70 Michael LAVERTY GBR Paul Bird Motorsport PBM 243.2 1'26.659 3.902 / 0.889
21 79 Blake YOUNG USA Attack Performance Racing APR 244.7 1'26.668 3.911 / 0.009
22 67 Bryan STARING AUS GO&FUN Honda Gresini FTR Honda 233.0 1'26.753 3.996 / 0.085
23 52 Lukas PESEK CZE Came IodaRacing Project Ioda-Suter 234.8 1'27.825 5.068 / 1.072
26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda

denill

20th July 2013, 09:10

Though he's 28 yrs old he hasn't been round that long and seems to be putting in 120 %. He's in a hurry to make a name for himself and of course with that he's putting it all on the line. How long you can do that relates to luck as well. I saw him have quite a biggie right in front of me over a month ago now and he was hurting/crawling around on his hands and knees. I don't like the odds of riding like that forever.
Rossi and CC seem to be close on track but one is doing it easier by stepping back, the other trying his heart out.

I think you've summed him up well Gaz. While he may be first in FP1 this weekend - but yeah, he does have a desperate quality, never mind the fn torpedoes attitude.

Very different to the Lorenzo, Rossi style.

BMWST?

20th July 2013, 09:36

I think you've summed him up well Gaz. While he may be first in FP1 this weekend - but yeah, he does have a desperate quality, never mind the fn torpedoes attitude.

Very different to the Lorenzo, Rossi style.

You cant keep crashin like that and not miss a session or race or two he has the pace though but he doesnt have the ability to overtake.rossi lorenzo and marquez(and a little aussie fella) do.I dont think dani has that last little x factor that the other guys have to make a decisive pass when they need to

sent from the tag

denill

20th July 2013, 10:20

You cant keep crashin like that and not miss a session or race or two he has the pace though but he doesnt have the ability to overtake.rossi lorenzo and marquez(and a little aussie fella) do.

I would NOT consider giving CC personal health cover , if I was an Insurer. ;)

roogazza

20th July 2013, 10:39

I would NOT consider giving CC personal health cover , if I was an Insurer. ;)

LOL I don't know how they do it Bill, crawling around on hands and knees one minute and back into it the next ??
and they do that stuff for a living ? !!!! :confused:

BMWST?

20th July 2013, 20:15

Cross post from freeview post
We have hit the jackpot
Sunday 8 30 fp4
Sunday 9 20 q1
Sunday 13:00 q2
Monday 5:30 warm up
Monday 8:30 motogp race
On sky we sometimes got q2,and the race,there are also reruns of the races in germany all classes

ecko_nzed

21st July 2013, 10:01

As much as you don't wish harm to these guys when they are out there putting their necks on the line, a few injuries has definitely made for a more interesting season :corn:

ecko_nzed

21st July 2013, 10:06

As for Crutchlow and passing, I think he just wants to do it clean and doesn't want to be the guy that ruins the championship chances of one of the other top guys. As his points, experience and confidence increase, he'll be stuffing it in there.

pritch

21st July 2013, 10:06

tail_end_charlie

21st July 2013, 10:12

Right, I'm calling it now.................Bautista takes out MM in the first lap............................

Drew

21st July 2013, 10:21

MM has been trying the line Rossi used in 'that' pass on Stoner. He did it on the scooter on Thursday and again in Q2 on his bike. Can't help but feel he's preparing to use it in the race if he feels it necessary.Rossi was let away with it, as a racing incident. He misjudged it and ran over the dirt after he was in front of Stoner.

Planning to go off track to make a pass, will cause grief.

BMWST?

21st July 2013, 11:19

Wow that was a bit different!

Trudes

21st July 2013, 13:36

Awesome stuff! :woohoo:

pritch

21st July 2013, 15:17

Planning to go off track to make a pass, will cause grief.

While it's off the track as far as the painted lines are concerned, (and the rules?) there is some dusty seal inside the paint. Maybe a couple of feet most of the way.

GD66

21st July 2013, 15:26

Right, I'm calling it now.................Bautista takes out MM in the first lap............................

Racing luck being what it is, it'll probably be one of the poor bastards already carrying a buggered collarbone.

Might head on down to turn 2 to watch the first lap...:whistle:

denill

21st July 2013, 17:52

Racing luck being what it is, it'll probably be one of the poor bastards already carrying a buggered collarbone.

Makes me cringe thinking about that....................

BMWST?

21st July 2013, 20:03

Racing luck being what it is, it'll probably be one of the poor bastards already carrying a buggered collarbone.

Might head on down to turn 2 to watch the first lap...:whistle:

Ab is on the on the all Honda front row with bradl and mm, and it aint mm on pole!

sent from the tag

tail_end_charlie

21st July 2013, 22:00

Bit of bike porn (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2013/motogp/lagunaseca/barz/) from Laguna Seca curtsy SuperbikePlanet.com

Drew

22nd July 2013, 08:53

Crutchlow's brolly dolly! I'm for to the loo for a minute.

pritch

22nd July 2013, 09:12

roogazza

22nd July 2013, 09:57

Didn't wait long did he?

He was well into the dirt wasn't he ?? Risky stuff trying to emulate someone else's oopsie, but hey , it came off ok if a bit wobbly.

ps I watched this one on Cricfree tv as well as practice and Qual. Got the BSB recording as I speak.

puddytat

22nd July 2013, 10:06

First rookie to win at Laguna......odds are looking good for a rookie champ :yes:

jasonu

22nd July 2013, 10:15

Drew

22nd July 2013, 10:18

Didn't wait long did he?Very surprised he made the move there. He was faster than Rossi everywhere on the track, needless risk I would have thought.

DidJit

22nd July 2013, 10:52

I think he very much intended to pass Rossi in that famous Rossi corner in that famous Rossi fashion.

Drew

22nd July 2013, 11:07

I think he very much intended to pass Rossi in that famous Rossi corner in that famous Rossi fashion.Don't be silly, he never intended Rossi to be behind him. You think he planned on fucking up the start, just for the opportunity to pass someone 50 points behind him in the championship, at the toughest two corners of the season?

DidJit

22nd July 2013, 11:20

Don't be silly, he never intended Rossi to be behind him. You think he planned on fucking up the start, just for the opportunity to pass someone 50 points behind him in the championship, at the toughest two corners of the season?

You're right, Márquez didn't intend Rossi to be in front of him — but seeing as he was... then why not in that corner that he’d been lining up all weekend? It very well may have been a split second decision on Márquez’s part... or not. I’m not in his head, so I can’t say for sure; but having watched him over the years, he (like Rossi) is very calculating.

Hey, that pass will be talked about almost as much as the ’08 original I’m sure. Like the original, Márquez was lucky to get through. Unlike the original, there are probably less hard feelings. End of the day, it was spectacular to watch.

merv

22nd July 2013, 11:32

Marquez and Rossi sure as hell had a big laugh about it after the race. I really wanted Bradl to win that race just so he would win one, but no the boy is just too quick. I wouldn't have minded if Rossi had won it either. All three did a damn fine job this morning.

Crasherfromwayback

22nd July 2013, 11:40

He was well into the dirt wasn't he ?? Risky stuff trying to emulate someone else's oopsie, but hey , it came off ok if a bit wobbly.

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Very surprised he made the move there. He was faster than Rossi everywhere on the track, needless risk I would have thought.

You're right, Márquez didn't intend Rossi to be in front of him — but seeing as he was... then why not in that corner that he’d been lining up all weekend? It very well may have been a split second decision on Márquez’s part... or not. I’m not in his head, so I can’t say for sure; but having watched him over the years, he (like Rossi) is very calculating.

Hey, that pass will be talked about almost as much as the ’08 original I’m sure. Like the original, Márquez was lucky to get through. Unlike the original, there are probably much less hard feelings. End of the day, it was spectacular to watch.

Marquez and Rossi sure as hell had a big laugh about it after the race. I really wanted Bradl to win that race just so he would win one, but no the boy is just too quick. I wouldn't have minded if Rossi had won it either. All three did a damn fine job this morning.

Go and have another look at it guys. Looked to me like Rossi (in typical dirty fashion) tried to run MM into the dirt. So he hardly has any cause to be upset by MM's move.

Drew

22nd July 2013, 11:51

Go and have another look at it guys. Looked to me like Rossi (in typical dirty fashion) tried to run MM into the dirt. So he hardly has any cause to be upset by MM's move.Looked to me like Rossi couldn't get wide enough for his normal tip in speed, and didn't get stopped in time.

He and MM thought it was a great laugh at the winners circle.

Crasherfromwayback

22nd July 2013, 11:56

Looked to me like Rossi couldn't get wide enough for his normal tip in speed, and didn't get stopped in time.

He and MM thought it was a great laugh at the winners circle.

Yeah but only because Rossi is God to you and can do no wrong. Wonder how funny he'd find it if it was Bautista doing it to him and ran him into the dirt and he went down? What do you reckon he'd be saying then? Crying like a bitch again like he did when the came together at Mugello? Always funny when Rossi is doing the dirty shit eh!

Drew

22nd July 2013, 11:58

Yeah but only because Rossi is God to you and can do no wrong. Wonder how funny he'd find it if it was Bautista doing it to him and ran him into the dirt and he went down? What do you reckon he'd be saying then? Crying like a bitch again like he did when the came together at Mugello? Always funny when Rossi is doing the dirty shit eh!
Nope, it's not a favourites thing at all.

It's how it looked to me.

DidJit

22nd July 2013, 12:00

Maybe you’re both right and Rossi was defending/trying to gather it in. I’ll be the first to admit I’m wrong, because who knows what actually was going on in either of their heads at that particular moment, so perhaps I should re-phrase my initial post and say, “It wouldn’t surprise me if Márquez had intended to do a ‘Rossi’ on someone (like Pritch picked earlier). Perhaps not on Rossi himself, though that did lend a certain sense of inverse déja vu to it.” Anyway — no hard feelings between anyone, no one got hurt, everyone got something to look at/talk about. I reckon there would’ve been a smirk on a certain Australian’s face right about then too.

Drew

22nd July 2013, 12:02

I reckon there would’ve been a smirk on a certain Australian’s face right about then too.I wonder if he watches the races?

I would guess not, but I can't nail down why I think that.

Crasherfromwayback

22nd July 2013, 12:02

. I reckon there would’ve been a smirk on a certain Australian’s face right about then too.

Of that I have no doubt.

Cleve

22nd July 2013, 14:48

ecko_nzed

22nd July 2013, 19:08

I wonder if he watches the races?

I would guess not, but I can't nail down why I think that.

Strikes me as a all or nothing guy. Prob watches footage from v8 taxicars to see where he can improve.

Reckon he'd prefer to catch Chaz in world sbk.

haydes55

22nd July 2013, 19:49

Replay on sommet now

bogan

22nd July 2013, 20:00

He and MM thought it was a great laugh at the winners circle.

Seems like confirmation enough that it was a clean move to me...

Decent race though, this season is getting somewhat interesting :yes:

Dave-

22nd July 2013, 23:17

Tapered off towards the end but a stunning start.

there are currently 46 points seperating MM and rossi....coincidence? I think not!

No, it is a coincidence....

hayd3n

22nd July 2013, 23:20

https://twitter.com/GigiSoldano/status/359111151335907329/photo/1

tail_end_charlie

22nd July 2013, 23:31

I know that some people tend to point to Cal and cal him the new 'moaner' or a 'whinging pom' or other associated bs, but I still maintain that he says things how he see's them. Take Laguna Seca for example, his post race quote is as follows:

Cal Crutchlow Cal Crutchlow 5th - 116 points

"That was a difficult end to a very difficult weekend and in all honesty I never got comfortable with the bike at any stage here. It is my worst result of the season so far and I can't be happy because I gave up some valuable points in the Championship. Maybe last year in the same situation I would have pushed and not finished, so that is one positive we can take from what was a tough weekend and it certainly isn't how I wanted to go into the summer break. Right from the start of the race I was on the limit and couldn't go any faster. I got beat fair and square and the three on the podium definitely deserved it. I tried my best and didn't give up but sometimes you have to accept you can't do any better. It has been a pretty hectic month so now I am looking forward to getting some rest and I will be back even more motivated in Indianapolis."

Sounds to me like he's not blaming the setup, the weather, the team, or anything else. He's just saying he couldn't get it together this weekend and that's it.

DidJit

23rd July 2013, 08:07

Lookie, lookie (http://motomatters.com/news/2013/07/22/casey_stoner_to_test_honda_s_motogp_bike.html)...

roogazza

23rd July 2013, 08:55

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jul/130722a.htm

The rumour mill has him frustrated with taxi racing due to his comments in the press.

ps Sorry Didjit should have read the new posts first.

DidJit

23rd July 2013, 09:54

’S ok mate, it's exciting news. I just hope HRC film the tests so we get to see CS27 doin’ his thing.

pritch

23rd July 2013, 10:55

Crasherfromwayback

23rd July 2013, 11:00

ecko_nzed

23rd July 2013, 11:39

Yeah pretty fucking arrogant eh! Be fine to say "and pay respect to THIS great nation"

Clearly they are, I mean just look at the results of their riders. America, FUCK YEAH!!! ;)

Kendog

23rd July 2013, 12:15

Joe Satriani channeling Jimi Hendrix. Loved it. Have watched it several times.
That was awesome!!!

onearmedbandit

23rd July 2013, 12:25

That confidence and self belief is entrenched in the American culture. To them there is no other way of thinking.

yod

23rd July 2013, 13:47

Looking back at Laguna.

I cringed when, just prior to the national anthem, the announcer requested all present to stand and remove their hats to pay respects to the flag of the greatest nation on earth. That'd be OK at a NASCAR meeting but maybe not so appropriate at an international event.

Got over that when the anthem started, Joe Satriani channeling Jimi Hendrix. Loved it. Have watched it several times.

That confidence and self belief is entrenched in the American culture. To them there is no other way of thinking.

yep, typical self-involved, insular American view....the ignorance of some in that country is blinding.

Lewis Black FTW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mCDZMWVWuc

pritch

23rd July 2013, 14:04

I don't know if you guys all read Bikewriter, he doesn't comment on GPs much but he did ride the TT. He writes well on matters motorcycling.

His latest article gives extra history on *that* pass. I do know who Zanardi is, I'd previously seen that photo, I didn't know about his previous life though. Great video clip.

http://backmarker-bikewriter.blogspot.co.nz

steveyb

23rd July 2013, 19:21

Take note if not seen before, that when Rossi went in there it was hard packed dirt.
Now there is some crappy asphalt.
Almost as if they are inviting the move......????

Reckless

23rd July 2013, 20:57

Rossi certainly giving the young fella big wraps on crash .net
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/193797/1/rossi_marquez_can_be_the_greatest_ever.html?utm_so urce=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

Another article about Stoner.
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/193803/1/casey_stoner_to_test_motogp_honda.html
Crasher should be doing back flips by now LOL.

GD66

23rd July 2013, 20:59

http://imageshack.us/a/img855/4951/672x.jpg

Stevey, it's been asphalt for a while. That's from the Zanardi/Herta finish in the CART race there in 1996.

montsta56

23rd July 2013, 21:36

casey must be a better test/development rider than some think if they want him to throw a leg over the new HRC bikes???

Crasherfromwayback

23rd July 2013, 22:58

casey must be a better test/development rider than some think if they want him to throw a leg over the new HRC bikes???

Not if you're asking the haters here mate. You can clearly see how much better Rossi was at getting the Ducati to work now too.

GD66

24th July 2013, 01:23

casey must be a better test/development rider than some think if they want him to throw a leg over the new HRC bikes???

Good enough, I reckon. Using Casey's settings and wrenched by Casey's team, Marquez is straight on the pace without too much drama. Can't blame a guy for wanting a bit more seat time on those mighty missiles : I rather doubt running round in a queue in the V8 support series is doing it for him...

denill

24th July 2013, 07:33

Might just have been a good idea for Ducati to send him an invitation? (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jul/130723a.htm) <_<

Well nothing else is working..................

Drew

24th July 2013, 08:06

Might just have been a good idea for Ducati to send him an invitation? (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jul/130723a.htm) <_<

Well nothing else is working..................

Wouldn't work. The little bastard could ride the heap of shit just fine the way it was.

Bender

24th July 2013, 08:22

casey must be a better test/development rider than some think if they want him to throw a leg over the new HRC bikes???

Actually when he retired there was an interview with the Honda guy (Nakamoto? - name I can't remember) who said one of the things he liked about Casey was that he brought something to the table every day - always something new, something to try, some feedback.

Getting Stoner to test is a master stroke because he is right on the pace. Is there another "development" rider who is that fast?

Badjelly

24th July 2013, 09:09

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/luke-yoda-marc-marquez-valentino-rossi-star-wars.jpg
(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/luke-skywalker-marc-marquez-valentino-rossi-yoda-star-wars-motogp/)

roogazza

24th July 2013, 09:14

Thought you fellas might not have seen Rossi's own track, so here's a squiz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3tjI3v58OR8

Drew

24th July 2013, 09:23

Fuck, that's so cool!

Crasherfromwayback

24th July 2013, 09:41

Thought you fellas might not have seen Rossi's own track, so here's a squiz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3tjI3v58OR8

Fuck, that's so cool!

Should invite his best mate Stoner if he'd like to see how to ride round his track way faster.

roogazza

24th July 2013, 09:50

Should invite his best mate Stoner if he'd like to see how to ride round his track way faster.
Who in their right mind would want that little 'misery guts' for a friend.285300

Kendog

24th July 2013, 10:00

Thought you fellas might not have seen Rossi's own track, so here's a squiz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3tjI3v58OR8
Shit that is awesome.
Get Nicky out there.

This comment made me laugh "cazzo, Guy Martin sembra Wolverine...."

bogan

24th July 2013, 10:01

Who in their right mind would want that little 'misery guts' for a friend.285300

Well, send him out for a few sighting laps first and they could retire that water truck :cry: :innocent:

denill

24th July 2013, 10:42

Wouldn't work. The little bastard could ride the heap of shit just fine the way it was.

Yeah, he'd probably say, "That's better than the POS you used to give me to ride."

steveyb

24th July 2013, 10:51

...

Stevey, it's been asphalt for a while. That's from the Zanardi/Herta finish in the CART race there in 1996.

That is pretty amazing eh? It's almost like the ripple strip has been put in the wrong place!!

But that asphalt seems to come and go.
In 2008 it was definitely not there, then this year there is some stuff that looks like left overs from a patch job somewhere.

Drew

24th July 2013, 10:56

In 2008 it was definitely not there, then this year there is some stuff that looks like left overs from a patch job somewhere.Funny you should mention that. I notice while I watched on Sunday, that the track is rough as guts. The big bump in the left after the corkscrew seems to be better than previous years, but the ones leading into the final turn were shocking.

Crasherfromwayback

24th July 2013, 10:57

Who in their right mind would want that little 'misery guts' for a friend.285300

Me. Because I love flatrack racing and have the UTMOST respect for anyone really good at it. Besides...I reckon you'd find Stoner would be fine to ride dirtbikes with and very diff away from the glare of the public spotlight.

pritch

24th July 2013, 11:12

But that asphalt seems to come and go.
In 2008 it was definitely not there,

I think it was there in 2008 but was partially covered with dust. I remember Rossi saying in an interview that he had noticed the seal prior to the race and had added that corner to his list of potential overtaking spots.

actungbaby

24th July 2013, 21:23

Funny you should mention that. I notice while I watched on Sunday, that the track is rough as guts. The big bump in the left after the corkscrew seems to be better than previous years, but the ones leading into the final turn were shocking.

Yes looked bit rough even to my untrained eyes ;-)

Mind you do cars race there . back in day didnt think they had bucket loads cash unlike indy

And new texas outfit . thought was Mr roberts dream to get gp bikes there .

Remember honda gp boys used hate it there brakes fading gardner going from iron disks

To carbon breaking his leg few times . must made it safer with run of was nightmare before.

Or just 4 stokes are more tame ?

Brett

24th July 2013, 23:22

Go and have another look at it guys. Looked to me like Rossi (in typical dirty fashion) tried to run MM into the dirt. So he hardly has any cause to be upset by MM's move.

You're a bloody old cynic Crasher!I think that his line was wide and he hadn't anticipated MM being there, but that's all. It's one of those "racing" things.

Would be cool for Stoner to make his way back into MotoGP...I miss his style.

Crasherfromwayback

24th July 2013, 23:32

You're a bloody old cynic Crasher!I think that his line was wide and he hadn't anticipated MM being there, but that's all. It's one of those "racing" things.

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lol. Maybe I am. But how may times have you watched it on MotoGP.Com mate? How could he not *anticipate* MM being there when MM was actually in front of him entering the corkscrew? I'll do some screen grabs as I did for the MM vs Lorenzo incedent at Jerez if you'd like?

Crasherfromwayback

24th July 2013, 23:56

You're a bloody old cynic Crasher!I think that his line was wide and he hadn't anticipated MM being there, but that's all. It's one of those "racing" things.

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Ok. You asked for it. You seriously trying to tell me Rossi couldn't see MM doing this? You seriously think he didn't know he'd just been passed fair and square? You still wanna hang on to the facdt that Rossi is a clean racer and mearly didn't see MM coming...didn't know he was there...and that it was just one of *those things*? Riiiiiight....

Satan's Bottom! The site is telling me the pics are too large. I hear that all the time! :-) I'll resize/name the fuckers soon and come back to you. Mean time...check the free footage on MotoGP.com. I reckon you'll change your mind.

Mental Trousers

25th July 2013, 08:40

Marquez' knee was about level with Rossi's front wheel most of the way up the hill and at the right hand kink before the corkscrew, Rossi knew he was there alright. But Rossi definitely had the line and he used it to run Marquez wide, perfectly legitimate from him. What he didn't expect though was Marquez would ride straight through the off track bit.

It's perfectly clear from the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-FD76BwB08

Crasherfromwayback

25th July 2013, 09:09

Marquez' knee was about level with Rossi's front wheel most of the way up the hill and at the right hand kink before the corkscrew, Rossi knew he was there alright. But Rossi definitely had the line and he used it to run Marquez wide, perfectly legitimate from him. ]

Generally when you're in front you have the right of way.

Because I've saved screen grabs from the slow mo coverage...they're not uploading. But we'll obviously have to agree to disagree on this one.

Drew

25th July 2013, 09:14

Generally when you're in front you have the right of way.

Because I've saved screen grabs from the slow mo coverage...they're not uploading. But we'll obviously have to agree to disagree on this one.I've watched it quite a few times just now. I still think that as they came over the crest of the hill, Rossi couldn't get far enough right to tip in and hold his line, at the speed they were giong.

There is no doubting Rossi is a wiley old racer, but given that he clearly respects MM I don't think there was an intent to push him wide.

Mental Trousers

25th July 2013, 09:15

Generally when you're in front you have the right of way.

Yeah for sure, but he wasn't in front enough. Marquez has been racing since he was a toddler and he races hard, sometimes too hard, he isn't scared of putting a hard pass on someone. But he didn't try to slam the door on Rossi so given his history I reckon it's safe to say he wasn't far enough past to do it.

denill

25th July 2013, 09:18

Marquez' knee was about level with Rossi's front wheel most of the way up the hill and at the right hand kink before the corkscrew, Rossi knew he was there alright. But Rossi definitely had the line and he used it to run Marquez wide, perfectly legitimate from him. What he didn't expect though was Marquez would ride straight through the off track bit.
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Yep, that's what I saw. Rossi tried to squeeze him out, but you don't squeeze that little bugger easily. He had already practised that line earlier.

Crasherfromwayback

25th July 2013, 09:20

There is no doubting Rossi is a wiley old racer, but given that he clearly respects MM I don't think there was an intent to push him wide.

And he's never brake checked anyone before either I bet...;)

Yeah for sure, but he wasn't in front enough. Marquez has been racing since he was a toddler and he races hard, sometimes too hard, he isn't scared of putting a hard pass on someone. But he didn't try to slam the door on Rossi so given his history I reckon it's safe to say he wasn't far enough past to do it.

Depends at which point you stop the coverage mate. If I could get thses cunting pics to upload...think you may change your mind. And yeah...if he'd tried to do what Simo did to Pedro, I think Rossi would've torpedoed him and both gone down. So he made the right decision I reckon.

Brett

25th July 2013, 10:07

lol. Maybe I am. But how may times have you watched it on MotoGP.Com mate? How could he not *anticipate* MM being there when MM was actually in front of him entering the corkscrew? I'll do some screen grabs as I did for the MM vs Lorenzo incedent at Jerez if you'd like?

I haven't...just watched the race! Get screen grabs if it will make your case....

Crasherfromwayback

25th July 2013, 10:11

I haven't...just watched the race! Get screen grabs if it will make your case....

lol. And it was awesome I reckon. And don't get me wrong...I'm all for a bit of argy bargy mate. Think you'll find Ben Spies also called it Rossi running it in too deep. But maybe he got drawn in by MM's super late braking. I've tried the screen grab thing...but the site ain't liking them for some reason. I'm just glad they both stayed upright...and I hope it motivates Rossi to go even harder. Tis good seeing him back at the pointy end for sure.

Brett

25th July 2013, 10:12

Either way, I love MM's attitude and audacity! That pass made me crack up at the time. No Crasher...I don't think Rossi is a perfectly clean racer...but then MM definitely is not either...and that's what I love about them! Yes guys like Pedrosa and Lorenzo are usually so clean that they are almost sterile, and they are GREAT racers, but sometimes a little boring to watch. Rossi and MM keep it interesting. Personally, I would rather race someone like Rossi or MM (if I were that good) because I like the nature of it.

Crasherfromwayback

25th July 2013, 10:18

Crasherfromwayback

25th July 2013, 10:28

.I don't think Rossi is a perfectly clean racer....

May main point is...Rossi was pretty quick to have a fucking boohoo when he and Bautista came together at Mugello (judged to be no one at fault)...and also when Bautista binned it first lap and nearly got him. Nearly doesn't count. So Rossi is pretty quick to point the finger...but hardly in a position to do so when he's done some of the hardest/most questionable stuff out there.

Tony.OK

25th July 2013, 10:32

Agree 100% mate. And being from a moto-x backround...I'm not beyond getting involved in a bit of rough and tumble myself on or off road.

And seeing the after race reaction between the two, ya have to think that Rossi respects MM for having the balls to have a go. Rossi for sure can play dirty/rough whatever ya want to call it, but looks like he appreciates that it can happen to him too.

Whatever anyone thinks, this year has been one of the best for a long time. MM has done a great job of replacing Casey, and brought a new attitude to the game.

Geeen

25th July 2013, 10:44

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Crasherfromwayback

25th July 2013, 10:52

Whatever anyone thinks, this year has been one of the best for a long time. MM has done a great job of replacing Casey, and brought a new attitude to the game.

Agree with that too mate. But it's such a pity that MM replaces Stoner rather than joined him. Now THAT would've been epic I reckon. I can only hope he enjoys testing the RCV so much that he has a change of heart and wants back in...

Tony.OK

25th July 2013, 10:57

Agree with that too mate. But it's such a pity that MM replaces Stoner rather than joined him. Now THAT would've been epic I reckon. I can only hope he enjoys testing the RCV so much that he has a change of heart and wants back in...

I believe it will happen in time, how many top level racers retire early only to come back for a cameo at some stage?
Another year or two and GP is gonna be like watching Moto2..................balls to the wall passing and fights for wins!