MotoGP 2013 [Archive] - Page 9

actungbaby

25th July 2013, 12:21

he got bit personailty way used to joke around with bbc guy it was fun but respected dude at the same time yes got alot time for the dude myself .

english personilty more keeping with us down under folks where hardly spanish are we

I know that some people tend to point to Cal and cal him the new 'moaner' or a 'whinging pom' or other associated bs, but I still maintain that he says things how he see's them. Take Laguna Seca for example, his post race quote is as follows:

Cal Crutchlow Cal Crutchlow 5th - 116 points

"That was a difficult end to a very difficult weekend and in all honesty I never got comfortable with the bike at any stage here. It is my worst result of the season so far and I can't be happy because I gave up some valuable points in the Championship. Maybe last year in the same situation I would have pushed and not finished, so that is one positive we can take from what was a tough weekend and it certainly isn't how I wanted to go into the summer break. Right from the start of the race I was on the limit and couldn't go any faster. I got beat fair and square and the three on the podium definitely deserved it. I tried my best and didn't give up but sometimes you have to accept you can't do any better. It has been a pretty hectic month so now I am looking forward to getting some rest and I will be back even more motivated in Indianapolis."

Sounds to me like he's not blaming the setup, the weather, the team, or anything else. He's just saying he couldn't get it together this weekend and that's it.

actungbaby

25th July 2013, 12:23

Weird. He strikes me as a very humble and polite wee chap. But then I liked the late one too...:baby:

yes but was scary is super fast with it like spencer was . and look got younger one going

To join him bloody nora double trouble

actungbaby

25th July 2013, 12:26

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I know i fix the ducuti whack on set trainer wheeels on the back fixed lets all go home

or have some on the side of the faring then never have to be up right again. and when it

crashs no one will be none the wiser

Garage door down of to kfc in my audi r 8 convetable

slowpoke

26th July 2013, 05:02

Haha, all this talk about the Rossi and MM incident is just too funny. I'm stuck out at work on nightshift, so rather than stomach the shite morning shows on telly I'm working my way through the 3hr DVD round up of the 2004 WSB season (thanks Manxkiwi!) Toseland and Laconi in the same team at Laguna did more fairing bashing and running each other to the dirt in one lap than happened the whole of that MotoGP race and they kept at each other lap after crazy lap. It's a sad reflection on racing these days that the Rossi/MM molehill is seen as such a mountain.

budda

26th July 2013, 10:01

Crasherfromwayback

26th July 2013, 10:02

onearmedbandit

26th July 2013, 11:48

Fuck I can't wait for Rossi to retire now.

Crasherfromwayback

26th July 2013, 12:38

Fuck I can't wait for Rossi to retire now.

Why's that?

denill

26th July 2013, 13:11

Fuck I can't wait for Rossi to retire now.

Yeah, why?

onearmedbandit

26th July 2013, 13:25

Cos then hopefully CFWB will find a new record to play, eh Pete??

Crasherfromwayback

26th July 2013, 13:57

Cos then hopefully CFWB will find a new record to play, eh Pete??

lol Bound to. I miss my BF. Horrible when people continually slag your BF off eh OAB!!

eelracing

26th July 2013, 14:13

Haha, all this talk about the Rossi and MM incident is just too funny.

To true mate,in 2004 a future champion was earning his stripes in a similar manner.
And just for Pete,Stoner crashed out in the second lap...again.:facepalm:

Check out the second to last corner...who chops off who?

http://youtu.be/TzROz7wfcMs

Crasherfromwayback

26th July 2013, 14:23

To true mate,in 2004 a future champion was earning his stripes in a similar manner.
And just for Pete,Stoner crashed out in the second lap...again.:facepalm:

Check out the second to last corner...who chops off who?

http://youtu.be/TzROz7wfcMs

Yeah cool race. It's funny eh...as Lorenzo often has the most to say about close racing and hard passing. His memory obviously ain't so great...

eelracing

26th July 2013, 14:35

Yeah cool race. It's funny eh...as Lorenzo often has the most to say about close racing and hard passing.His memory obviously ain't so great...

A good point indeed,and it's funny that it is always against their greatest threat...it's not a coincidence that both Lorenzo and Pedrosa are currently injured.

pritch

28th July 2013, 15:24

Crasherfromwayback

28th July 2013, 16:23

I see that CFWB's favourite fan boi is having a rant on Twitter, "Dunlop series is a joke."
That'll win friends and influence people, whether or not he has a point.

Who knows, he may decide bike racing wasn't that bad after all?

lol. At least he's consistant! Bring back Casey! Mind you...he'll have a right boohoo if MM hands him his arse to him on a platter.

Drew

28th July 2013, 16:25

lol. At least he's consistant! Bring back Casey! Mind you...he'll have a right boohoo if MM hands him his arse to him on a platter.
There's a very real possibility that would happen, if Casey came back next year. Marc will be a force to reckon with after a season dialing his shit in.

Crasherfromwayback

28th July 2013, 16:28

There's a very real possibility that would happen, if Casey came back next year. Marc will be a force to reckon with after a season dialing his shit in.

Yeah well not like MM is gonna get any slower eh! Mind you...on the day...Stoner was more dominant than MM is right now. But yeah...next year I think he'll be fucking near unbeatable bar accidents I reckon. Till the next freak comes along...

Drew

28th July 2013, 16:45

There is always a next freak too. Which is cool, and hard to swallow at the same time.

Crasherfromwayback

28th July 2013, 16:48

. Which is cool, and hard to swallow at the same time.

I may've loved Casey...but not enough to swallow mate...

merv

28th July 2013, 18:36

I see that CFWB's favourite fan boi is having a rant on Twitter, "Dunlop series is a joke."
That'll win friends and influence people, whether or not he has a point.

Who knows, he may decide bike racing wasn't that bad after all?

Funny you say that so I had a quick squizz at his Twitter and it all seems reasonably positive:

https://twitter.com/Official_CS27

The only gripe I could find was here and again it seems a reasonable gripe if the latest races have been trimmed to 14 laps compared to 22 laps at the same venue last year. Crikey he doesn't grizzle as much here as many have about MNZ/NZSBK/Teretonga etc etc on KB:

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/second-tier-v8-races-too-short-stoner

I'm with crasher on this I don't reckon he's a bad bloke and why shouldn't a competitor have an opinion?

Unless there is some other twitter account I haven't found!

Crasherfromwayback

28th July 2013, 18:43

I'm with crasher on this I don't reckon he's a bad bloke and why shouldn't a competitor have an opinion?

!

The only ones allowed an opinion are the ones that hate his ass mate.

merv

28th July 2013, 19:10

The only ones allowed an opinion are the ones that hate his ass mate.

Is that the fans of the slower riders?

Crasherfromwayback

28th July 2013, 19:20

Is that the fans of the slower riders?

Fuggin stirrer...

onearmedbandit

28th July 2013, 20:01

Stoner is a fucking champion, no doubt about it. The guy can ride a motorcycle like very few others. But.

His personality is shit. Oh you might say, it's about ability not charisma. Bullshit. F1. BTCC. V8SC. MotoGP. Etc Etc. Some of the greats from these and other disciplines are remembered not only for their ability, but also their personality. And Stoner comes across like a cunt. Wayne Gardner was a great rider, but also a cunt. For that reason, and lets face it all of these events are spectator sports, Stoner will never be a favourite of mine. Still a great rider though.

Crasherfromwayback

28th July 2013, 20:32

Cos then hopefully CFWB will find a new record to play, eh Pete??

His personality is shit. Oh you might say, it's about ability not charisma. Bullshit. F1. BTCC. V8SC. MotoGP. Etc Etc. Some of the greats from these and other disciplines are remembered not only for their ability, but also their personality. And Stoner comes across like a cunt. Wayne Gardner was a great rider, but also a cunt. For that reason, and lets face it all of these events are spectator sports, Stoner will never be a favourite of mine. Still a great rider though.

You must need a new stylus by now mate! Worn a pretty deep grove in that record I reckon.

yod

28th July 2013, 21:42

Crasherfromwayback

28th July 2013, 21:59

He seems like a perfectly normal person to me? Why do you see him as a...err..."cunt" ?

1: He tells it like he sees it.

2: He doesn't do gay wee pantomimes after each race win.

3: He has a smoking hot wife.

4: He's Australian.

5: He dared to beat up on Rossi.

6: The haters have all been proven wrong about his bike setup skills.

7: He had the balls to tell the oroganisers of the Moto GP Championship that they're going down the wrong path.

8: He dared to try and have a quiet/private life.

9: He was a fucking pussy for getting chronically ill and sitting out some races.

10: He's a million times better than any of the jealous fucks.

Pretty straight forward really.

pritch

28th July 2013, 22:03

Funny you say that so I had a quick squizz at his Twitter and it all seems reasonably positive:

He must have had second thoughts and removed the tweet. Belated smarts are better than none I guess. The missing message was sent immediately prior to the one sympathising with people that travelled thousands of kilometers for three short races.

My iPad had been left with the browser on Twitter and the message is still on the screen.
"Dunlop series is a joke. How can you declare a race after 8 laps of a circuit that has a 1.11.00 lap time."

Now I want to set the alarm, so the massage will vanish forever.

Crasherfromwayback

28th July 2013, 22:08

He must have had second thoughts and removed the tweet. Belated smarts are better than none I guess. The missing message was sent immediately prior to the one sympathising with people that travelled thousands of kilometers for three short races.

After his Dunlop series is a joke bit (and that was a direct quote) he objected to a race being called complete after only eight laps of a very short track. (1.11K?)

So many people were so glad to see him retire from Moto GP...yet keep bringing him up now he's gone. More so than I do...and I was spewing he left.

yod

28th July 2013, 22:11

Crasherfromwayback

28th July 2013, 22:19

like I said - He seems fairly normal to me :msn-wink:

lol. Far from it when it comes to riding skill...

tail_end_charlie

28th July 2013, 22:30

1: He tells it like he sees it. Strike one from Dorna, he doesn't say what they want him to say.

2: He doesn't do gay wee pantomimes after each race win. Strike one from those who like to beat their chest and show everyone how good they are.

3: He has a smoking hot wife. Strike one from every straight male..............

4: He's Australian. Strike two from Dorna.

5: He dared to beat up on Rossi. Strike three from Dorna and strike one from a lot of fans (ie Italians and Italian media, who have a lot of influence over MotoGP.

6: The haters have all been proven wrong about his bike setup skills. Which in turn tarnished even more Rossi's image after his Ducati gulag, strike four from Dorna and strike two from fans.

7: He had the balls to tell the oroganisers of the Moto GP Championship that they're going down the wrong path. Strike 5-10 from Dorna.

8: He dared to try and have a quiet/private life. Strike three from the fans, he should always be available for fans to know everything he's doing. Obviously he's a celebrity and it is incredibly selfish of him to have a personal life.

9: He was a fucking pussy for getting chronically ill and sitting out some races. Strike four from the dumbass fans. Look at Lorenzo and Pedrosa, they rode with broken collar bones, nevermind the fact that Lorenzo was having dizzy spells at Laguna, that wouldn't indanger anyone....................

10: He's a million times better than any of the jealous fucks. Nail in coffin?!?

Pretty straight forward really.

Yeah, pretty much sums it up.

Crasherfromwayback

28th July 2013, 22:37

Yeah, pretty much sums it up.

lol. And the so called *fans* of Moto GP pretty much drove him away. Pretty short sighted really. Too busy lapping up theatrics and personalities to appreciate actual riding talent.

Mental Trousers

28th July 2013, 22:48

lol. And the so called *fans* of Moto GP pretty much drove him away. Pretty short sighted really. Too busy lapping up theatrics and personalities to appreciate actual riding talent.

Mate he didn't help himself eh. The guy could farken ride a bike like no one else but he wasn't great at public relations.

Crasherfromwayback

28th July 2013, 22:55

Mate he didn't help himself eh. The guy could farken ride a bike like no one else but he wasn't great at public relations.

But that's my point. Who actually (or actually should) gives a fuck?? Seriously. Was Eddie Lawson full of humour and fun? John Kosinski? Wayne Rainey was as exciting as a womans period. Any number of previously good racers. But ever since Rossi came along...seems like it became more about acting ability that racing ability. How fucking queer is that?!

tail_end_charlie

28th July 2013, 23:00

Mate he didn't help himself eh. The guy could farken ride a bike like no one else but he wasn't great at public relations.

And therein lies the problem. Too many MotoGP 'fans' seem to be more worried about a riders public relation abilities than their bike riding abilities. I for one couldn't give two shits if he doesn't sign autographs or pose for pictures with every Tom, Dick or Harry who shows up expecting it. (And those are also the people who probably don't even watch the racing because their too busy lining up at the RV or at the back of the pits to try and get in the front of the line to see him.)

His ability on the bike more than made up for his lack of PR in my opinion.

pritch

28th July 2013, 23:11

Schwantz at 49 made the podium in third at Suzuka. Brilliant.

On the other hand Van der Mark won at his first attempt age twenty, with Leon Haslam and another. Also brilliant.

Crasherfromwayback

28th July 2013, 23:17

Schwantz at 49 made the podium in third at Suzuka. Brilliant.

.

Pretty good effort for sure. But if we're to talk about personalities...I hear from good authrority that KS is actually a redneckedbiggottedcunt.

tail_end_charlie

28th July 2013, 23:18

Schwantz at 49 made the podium in third at Suzuka. Brilliant.

On the other hand Van der Mark won at his first attempt age twenty, with Leon Haslam and another. Also brilliant.

'another' = T. Takahashi

onearmedbandit

28th July 2013, 23:21

1: He tells it like he sees it.

2: He doesn't do gay wee pantomimes after each race win.

3: He has a smoking hot wife.

4: He's Australian.

5: He dared to beat up on Rossi.

6: The haters have all been proven wrong about his bike setup skills.

7: He had the balls to tell the oroganisers of the Moto GP Championship that they're going down the wrong path.

8: He dared to try and have a quiet/private life.

9: He was a fucking pussy for getting chronically ill and sitting out some races.

10: He's a million times better than any of the jealous fucks.

Pretty straight forward really.

Fark, not bad Pete. For me, you got 10 out of 10 wrong.

Talent is of course the most critical aspect, I've been following the premier class since sitting in my bedroom in the late 80's watching the 500's on a 14" B&W set. Talent win championships. But personality still plays a part to me at least, hence why to me there are riders who stand out not only for their talent but also what they bring to the sport.

Mental Trousers

28th July 2013, 23:22

And therein lies the problem. Too many MotoGP 'fans' seem to be more worried about a riders public relation abilities than their bike riding abilities.

Anyone in MotoGP definitely has the ability to be there, except for the odd one or two who have managed to buy their rides over the years. But pure riding ability doesn't pay the bills unfortunately and nobody goes racing if the bills don't get paid. So smile for the camera boys .....

Crasherfromwayback

28th July 2013, 23:28

Talent is of course the most critical aspect,

Talent win championships.

But personality still plays a part to me at least, hence why to me there are riders who stand out not only for their talent but also what they bring to the sport.

And good for you mate. But I don't watch the sport for personalities. I watch Shortland St for that. By the way...have you actually been to a GP meeting yet Fraser? You'll be fucking hard pressed to see their personalities at the track if you have. I've been to over 20 now. The action on track is where it's at mate...not in the pits or on the camera after the fact. Check one out sometime!

onearmedbandit

28th July 2013, 23:52

And good for you mate. But I don't watch the sport for personalities. I watch Shortland St for that. By the way...have you actually been to a GP meeting yet Fraser? You'll be fucking hard pressed to see their personalities at the track if you have. I've been to over 20 now. The action on track is where it's at mate...not in the pits or on the camera after the fact. Check one out sometime!

It's funny, you actually don't need to go to the race to see the on track action, you can actually see that on TV. And despite it being TV, personality doesn't show there either. So I fail to see your point. However we all see the interviews, read the articles etc. Unless just because you've been to over 20 you don't need to read or watch anything more about it.

Look we won't agree on this. I never said Stoner wasn't a great rider. All I've ever said is I don't like his personality. Hang me.

(Maybe 'cunt' was taken a bit too harshly)

And I'm not at all surprised by the Shortland St thing.

Crasherfromwayback

29th July 2013, 00:01

It's funny, you actually don't need to go to the race to see the on track action, you can actually see that on TV. And despite it being TV, personality doesn't show there either. So I fail to see your point. .

And there you have it. How the fuck would you know having never been to one? Seeing it on TV...is nothing like being there I'm sorry.

So my point is this...if GAY pantomimes on TV after the race are your thing (I know you want to bum Rossi)...then cool...stick to watching from the confines of your sofa. But if you'd actually like to go to a GP...see first had in real life what it's all about..experience the speed/sound...and not give a fuck about anything other than the racing...go to a GP and get back to me. If you still prefer the theatrics...you wasted your money.

onearmedbandit

29th July 2013, 00:09

And there you have it. How the fuck would you know having never been to one? Seeing it on TV...is nothing like being there I'm sorry.

So my point is this...if GAY pantomimes on TV after the race are your thing (I know you want to bum Rossi)...then cool...stick to watching from the confines of your sofa. But if you'd actually like to go to a GP...see first had in real life what it's all about..experience the speed/sound...and not give a fuck about anything other than the racing...go to a GP and get back to me. If you still prefer the theatrics...you wasted your money.

Pete you have no idea what I'm talking about, Rossi's antics post race are not what I'm referring to. And while I do like Rossi as a racer and personality, I have no one-eyed view on it. Fuck I was hoping to see Pedrosa win this year, or Marequez in his rookie year. Rossi will cut me off if he reads that.

Fair enough you've been to the races, I'm happy for you. But does that mean you appreciate what they do on the track more than me? What is it supposed to mean?

Crasherfromwayback

29th July 2013, 00:18

Fair enough you've been to the races, I'm happy for you. But does that mean you appreciate what they do on the track more than me?

Yep. And yep. Go to one. Get back to me. Words simply cannot describe what you will see/feel when you go to your first GP. My point being...your crush on certain riders will fly right the fuck out the window as they have no relevance once there. THAT's my point. So all the shit I've been given for being such a Stoner fan...is worth it because I've actually seen him do things on a motorcycle I've never seen done before. Not on a TV...but 100m away in person. Where I can hear the bike's engine change pitch...where I can see the rubber being laid down,....see that no other cunt dares go through the same corner with anything like the commitement he had. You'll never see that on your TV I'm sorry mate.

onearmedbandit

29th July 2013, 00:28

No doubt being there live is an amazing experience. The intensity of seeing the riders pushing that hard only 100m away would be incredible.

However my point is when watching the racing I very rarely root for any particular rider, yes sure I've been a fan of Rossi and still am, but what I want to see is close hard racing. Something whether you are there or in the confines of your sofa we can all appreciate. However when the helmets and leathers are off these guys do have personalities. And just like in your normal day to day experiences you find personalities you like and those that you don't. I'll make it clear again though, their personalities have no bearing on me when actually watching the racing. How do I know this? Because I loved watching Stoner ride, and enjoyed the way he dominated like he did. A true champion and great racer.

Crasherfromwayback

29th July 2013, 00:54

Because I loved watching Stoner ride, and enjoyed the way he dominated like he did. A true champion and great racer.

I saw him first!

roogazza

29th July 2013, 10:16

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/194004/1/schwantz_rolls_back_the_years_with_suzuka_podium.h tml

BMWST?

29th July 2013, 11:23

Fark, not bad Pete. For me, you got 10 out of 10 wrong.

Talent is of course the most critical aspect, I've been following the premier class since sitting in my bedroom in the late 80's watching the 500's on a 14" B&W set. Talent win championships. But personality still plays a part to me at least, hence why to me there are riders who stand out not only for their talent but also what they bring to the sport.

Bring to the sport?
How about a virtual unknown rookie on a previously unsuccessful brand hand the arses out for all the current champions and factories .
Thats done more for the sport than all your personalities. Then everyone judges him on dome theoretical yardstick when the guy has had the most unusual upbringing in the pursuit of his goal
I don't think it was his goal,i think it was his father's

onearmedbandit

29th July 2013, 12:09

Bring to the sport?
How about a virtual unknown rookie on a previously unsuccessful brand hand the arses out for all the current champions and factories .
Thats done more for the sport than all your personalities.

Really? In what way has it done more for the sport? I'm honestly interested to hear how he's, for example, raised the profile of the sport higher than say Rossi (here comes the arrows)?

onearmedbandit

29th July 2013, 12:11

I saw him first!

As we agreed last night, you can have him and I'll take his wife.

Crasherfromwayback

29th July 2013, 12:16

As we agreed last night, you can have him and I'll take his wife.

lol. Think it was the other way round Bro!

denill

29th July 2013, 12:19

My iPad had been left with the browser on Twitter and the message is still on the screen.
"Dunlop series is a joke. How can you declare a race after 8 laps of a circuit that has a 1.11.00 lap time."

Hey Pritch, someone said, "I don't agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

That comment is what the guy thought, so in my mind he's perfectly entitiled to say it. Do you not agree?

denill

29th July 2013, 12:28

lol. And the so called *fans* of Moto GP pretty much drove him away. Pretty short sighted really. Too busy lapping up theatrics and personalities to appreciate actual riding talent.

Those dumb arses contributed to what would have been a classic showdown between MM, JL, VR, DP and Stoner.

Thanks for fn nothing...................... :mad:

BMWST?

29th July 2013, 12:40

Really? In what way has it done more for the sport? I'm honestly interested to hear how he's, for example, raised the profile of the sport higher than say Rossi (here comes the arrows)?
.So do you really beleive that a story as unlikely as a soap opera hasnt drawn in a lot of interest and hoola.What about the battles between rossi and stoner,what about the hoopla about the stoner personality...all that has done nothing for the sport?

bogan

29th July 2013, 12:47

.So do you really beleive that a story as unlikely as a soap opera hasnt drawn in a lot of interest and hoola.What about the battles between rossi and stoner,what about the hoopla about the stoner personality...all that has done nothing for the sport?

As is often the case, it has come down to media spin. Prime example is I was watching a megafactories doco on Ducati over the weekend, made shortly after Rossi had signed with them. Long story short he was heralded as the greatest thing happening to Ducati etc etc, no mention of Stoner; and we all know how that turned out :rolleyes:

Still, it was Stoner's decision to leave, while Rossi is still hanging around...

onearmedbandit

29th July 2013, 12:50

Mental Trousers

29th July 2013, 13:05

One of the biggest problems is this; the talent show that is a MotoGP race lasts for about an hour 18 times a year. The Days of our Lifes soap opera lasts 24/7/365.

No matter how much people cry and carry about how shit the off track stuff is 24/7/365 is a hell of a lot bigger than 18 hours a year.

BMWST?

29th July 2013, 13:53

GD66

29th July 2013, 15:15

...Slow news week...:sleep:

DidJit

29th July 2013, 15:36

18 days to go til Indy...

Crasherfromwayback

29th July 2013, 15:50

18 days to go til Indy...

MM.

Pedro

Lorenzo.

Bradl.

Rossi.

pritch

29th July 2013, 16:41

Hey Pritch, someone said, "I don't agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

That comment is what the guy thought, so in my mind he's perfectly entitiled to say it. Do you not agree?

It may be what he thought, but it wasn't calculated to win friends and influence people. A similar thought may have occurred to him in retrospect, which is why the message subsequently vanished.

The boy may be feeling the pressure, he currently lies 16th in a field of 31 on the results of the season so far. Almost top half, but not quite.
Maybe he should just shut up, keep his head down, and keep working at it.

When he was a top competitor in the top series in world motorcycling his words carried some weight. The words of an also-ran in a national support series don't merit quite the same consideration. So while I agree he has the right say whatever he thinks, he should perhaps use that right only sparingly when articulating negative impressions?

In case you're wondering, I hope he eventually gets it together, does well, and gets to play with the big kids. Or decides to toss the V8s and ride a Honda again.

Crasherfromwayback

29th July 2013, 17:34

. Or decides to toss the V8s and ride a Honda again.

This one!!! Hopefully the tests will give him the love he's looking for.

BMWST?

29th July 2013, 17:47

i hope Bradls run of form continues..we could do with even more unpredictable stuff!

Dogboy900

29th July 2013, 18:23

Very impressed with Bradls ride. He didn't get all excited and do something stupid just kept putting in fast lap after fast lap.

This is certainly an exciting season. I really hope Espargaro gets a top ride for next season, that should add even more to the drama at the front :D

Crasherfromwayback

29th July 2013, 18:48

Very impressed with Bradls ride. He didn't get all excited and do something stupid just kept putting in fast lap after fast lap.

I think all of the Bautista knockers should eat shit too. Especially the wankers that put Rossi's DNF at Mugello down to him. Takes two to tango. Almost looked to me at Laguna like he was too scared to try anything on Rossi after Rossi cried so fucking hard over it.

Dogboy900

29th July 2013, 18:56

Mental Trousers

29th July 2013, 18:59

. Or decides to toss the V8s and ride a Honda again.

This one!!! Hopefully the tests will give him the love he's looking for.

Sounds like he just wants to have fun riding and testing is likely to keep him smiling for a while. Maybe he'll do a deal with Honda to test the bikes a couple of times a year for a few years and that'll keep him happy. The politics in MotoGP is one of those things that purists would love to bury (along with the soap opera) but reality means it's necessary.

Crasherfromwayback

29th July 2013, 19:44

TBH I was hoping Bautista would take Rossi. He gets a lot of shit from people, commentators saying stuff like "there goes Bautista, no doubt we will see him again soon, sliding down the track or taking someone out" but I like the way he races. He is definitely not slow, just maybe needs to reign it in a little here and there. I am looking forward to each race more and more as the season progresses :)

Yeah there was no way the incident at Mugello was Bautista's fault. It was just one of those things. And you should've seen the experts on FB knocking shit out of the guy purely because Rossi was involved. Some of the fucking retards were saying Bautista doesn't deserve to be there and should be in World Supers etc etc. Fucking dreamers. He deserves to be there way ahead of people like Bradley Smith for starters.

Drew

29th July 2013, 19:48

God the off season, and mid season break suck.

You sad cunts are the sum total of my GP fix!

Crasherfromwayback

29th July 2013, 19:51

God the off season, and mid season break suck.

You sad cunts are the sum total of my GP fix!

Lol. Gotta keep yourself amused somehow Bro.

Tony.OK

29th July 2013, 20:16

Yeah there was no way the incident at Mugello was Bautista's fault. It was just one of those things. And you should've seen the experts on FB knocking shit out of the guy purely because Rossi was involved. Some of the fucking retards were saying Bautista doesn't deserve to be there and should be in World Supers etc etc. Fucking dreamers. He deserves to be there way ahead of people like Bradley Smith for starters.

People forget the Rossi attempted pass up the inside of Casey at Sepang? in the wet :doh:

I reckon Casey will be wanting to see if he can beat MM's laptimes while testing just to say he's still Jack the Lad.

+1 on Bradley, on good equipment but not doin the bizzo, I have a horrible feeling that Redding will end up on a lesser bike next year while being a betterer rider.

pritch

29th July 2013, 21:12

People forget the Rossi attempted pass up the inside of Casey at Sepang? in the wet :doh:

Nah. CFWB would never let us forget. Neither would my deluded Australian brother. :whistle:

merv

29th July 2013, 21:23

People forget the Rossi attempted pass up the inside of Casey at Sepang? in the wet :doh:

If you're talking about the "ambition outweighing talent" event I thought that was at Jerez.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsport/moto-gp-mayhem-stoner-livid-after-rossi-crash-20110404-1ctiq.html

Tony.OK

29th July 2013, 21:36

If you're talking about the "ambition outweighing talent" event I thought that was at Jerez.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsport/moto-gp-mayhem-stoner-livid-after-rossi-crash-20110404-1ctiq.html

Jerez was it? Had one of the asian tracks in the memory banks for some reason.
I remember chuckling at the time when the marshalls ignored poor ol Casey.

Dogboy900

29th July 2013, 21:39

It must suck big time to be taken out by someone when racing at this level, but at some stage it is going to happen.
They all crash and sometimes there is someone else involved.

I can scarcley imagine the drive these guys must have to make it to this level, the competitiveness they must have, and the pressure they must be under to perform. If you are not getting results you don't have a job next year. There is no "I feel a bit under the weather I am not going to work today" You get out there and you give everything, and you put your life on the line EVERY TIME! So yeah you are probably going to be a little miffed if someone takes you out, and probably pretty defensive if you do it to someone else.

The only one I cannot fathom being there is Aoyama? Performed very averagely in WSBK last year and he gets a GP ride? And again performing poorly. I want to like japanese riders for some reason. Loved Yanagawa and Haga in WSBK but I cannot believe there is not a better performing Japanese rider available that could do the bussiness!

yod

29th July 2013, 21:50

Dogboy900

29th July 2013, 21:55

Yeah I am sure the Japanese public want a local boy to cheer for, maybe he is the best they have on offer at the moment?

tail_end_charlie

30th July 2013, 00:00

...............I watch Shortland St for that...........................

right, where's that frkn' negative rep button.........................

tail_end_charlie

30th July 2013, 00:03

Anyone in MotoGP definitely has the ability to be there, except for the odd one or two who have managed to buy their rides over the years. But pure riding ability doesn't pay the bills unfortunately and nobody goes racing if the bills don't get paid. So smile for the camera boys .....

Yeah, too bad reality keeps fogging up those rose-tinted glasses, eh? Bugger.....

tail_end_charlie

30th July 2013, 00:13

I think all of the Bautista knockers should eat shit too. Especially the wankers that put Rossi's DNF at Mugello down to him. Takes two to tango. Almost looked to me at Laguna like he was too scared to try anything on Rossi after Rossi cried so fucking hard over it.

TBH I was hoping Bautista would take Rossi. He gets a lot of shit from people, commentators saying stuff like "there goes Bautista, no doubt we will see him again soon, sliding down the track or taking someone out" but I like the way he races. He is definitely not slow, just maybe needs to reign it in a little here and there. I am looking forward to each race more and more as the season progresses :)

Yeah there was no way the incident at Mugello was Bautista's fault. It was just one of those things. And you should've seen the experts on FB knocking shit out of the guy purely because Rossi was involved. Some of the fucking retards were saying Bautista doesn't deserve to be there and should be in World Supers etc etc. Fucking dreamers. He deserves to be there way ahead of people like Bradley Smith for starters.

Ok, I'll guess I'll raise my hand to being one of the Bautista knockers. I didn't blame him for Mugello though, that I saw to just be a racing incident, shit happens. But he does seem to be in the wrong place at the wrong time an awful lot, and often that means sliding into someone else. I don't think it should matter so much who he takes out, just the fact he takes someone else out.
Edit: Ok so looking back over his career I see that he has done alright to be honest, with not that many DNF's. Maybe its his pretty boy hair that I don't like................

And right now I'm willing to give Smitty the benefit of the doubt. No, I didn't see a legit reason from his Moto2 stats for him to step up to MotoGP, but now that he's here, and making progress pretty much each race, I'm not going to shit talk him too much till the end of the year.

Trudes

30th July 2013, 06:12

Yeah I have to say I don't like Bautista either, but I KNOW it's because his eyes are too close together.... :laugh:

roogazza

30th July 2013, 09:21

I remember chuckling at the time when the marshalls ignored poor ol Tracy.

"Stifled sniggering noises" That happened mainly for the reason of one man being a World Champion and a Star of Motogp, well liked and famous.
There is more to this show than talent on a bike, it's about money.
But hey, I'd be pissed if the opposition was picked up and not me too.
Might make me think tho. <_<

roogazza

30th July 2013, 10:28

Some reading until the next GP.( Indy)
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Mar/080325gotodie.htm

Oscar

30th July 2013, 10:46

Some reading until the next GP.( Indy)
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Mar/080325gotodie.htm

Very interesting.
I have a couple of bits from the 1996 Yamaha YZR500, including a brand new expansion chamber and muffler.
They were saved from destruction - at Yamaha Europe, the hairy had to take stuff like fairings and tanks out the back and flatten them with the forklift, and then bin them.
Engines went back to Japan.

Crasherfromwayback

30th July 2013, 10:54

Some reading until the next GP.( Indy)
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Mar/080325gotodie.htm

Tis why I'm so happy about owning a factory SR500! The workmanship on the thing is incredible.

jasonu

30th July 2013, 11:39

2: He doesn't do gay wee pantomimes after each race win.

.

Like this you mean (at 7m 10sec) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z47LvJKl_o
What a wanker. Stewart was the king of 'busting out gay dance moves.' I'm pretty sure Kawasaki told him to knock it off 'cause it made them and him look stupid.

Crasherfromwayback

30th July 2013, 11:46

Like this you mean (at 7m 10sec) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z47LvJKl_o
What a wanker.

Yeah that sort of thing...

pritch

30th July 2013, 12:32

But hey, I'd be pissed if the opposition was picked up and not me too.
Might make me think tho. <_<

The marshalls went to Rossi first because he was on the ground with his bike partly on top of him. At that point he was clearly the more urgent case. When he got up though, having kept his engine running, he was away.

The marshalls then tried to restart Stoner but the bike didn't respond and one by one they dropped off. By the time they gave up they were getting close to the racing line which would have been dangerous anyway.

Stoner and his accolytes may see a conspiracy but if you watch it with both eyes open there is nothing to see. So to speak...

Crasherfromwayback

30th July 2013, 12:37

The marshalls then tried to restart Stoner but the bike didn't respond and one by one they dropped off. By the time they gave up they were getting close to the racing line which would have been dangerous anyway.

Stoner and his accolytes may see a conspiracy but if you watch it with both eyes open there is nothing to see. So to speak...

I can see whay Stoner got his panties in a bunch seeing as he was taken out. But you're correct in saying they had to abandon trying to help him out.

roogazza

30th July 2013, 18:53

Tis why I'm so happy about owning a factory SR500! The workmanship on the thing is incredible.

Is this one to keep forever or to make a dollar ? Can you make a dollar out good stuff ?
I 'm in the process of buying a lifestyle with a big pad (two lounges) I thought a bike would be a great show piece.

Crasherfromwayback

30th July 2013, 21:53

Is this one to keep forever or to make a dollar ? Can you make a dollar out good stuff ?
I 'm in the process of buying a lifestyle with a big pad (two lounges) I thought a bike would be a great show piece.

Nah. I brought the SR as it was always a boyhood dream to own factory works equipment...never thought it possible. It's from the era I loved most as well...and from a rider I used to be in to as well. So simply had to have it. I'll race it every now and then...but mostly it'll simply sit in my lounge as the art form it is.

Do it. You'd be surprised how many people love it as art...even when they're not into bikes in the slightest.

tail_end_charlie

30th July 2013, 22:37

Jensen Beeler comes up with the goods with respect to some HQ pics of the RC213V (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2013-honda-rc213v-up-close-photos/).

Talking about seeing out the finest details, the first thing I noticed was how the CF front mudguard extends all the way down the fork tube and curls partially around the bottom, covering the axle pinch bolts. I would assume this is to smooth airflow and decrease drag. And that's just scratching the surface of all work and innovation HRC put into these machines...................................

slowpoke

30th July 2013, 23:45

Crasherfromwayback

30th July 2013, 23:59

Someone hand me a fork.

I really had some time for the kid when he rode 250's, he seemed to find time and lines that no-one else could even though he didn't win the championship. I gave him a bit of leeway during the Suzuki years thinking the bike wasn't so good, but that first turn crash at Valencia to finish 2011 (taking out Rossi, Hayden and De Puniet) wasn't flash and he's no more competitive on the Honda. That bonehead first corner crash where he harpooned Lorenzo last year was the final nail in the coffin for me. Ya just don't see this stuff from the other guys just off the pace like Bradl, Crutchlow, Dovi, Espargaro, Hayden etc.

I expect these guys to make the odd cock-up but his brain farts are just at the worst possible times where other riders pay the price. For such an experienced rider his situational awereness sucks.

Fucking bullshit. You've got your Rossi blinkers on like the rest of the fanboiclub. And I get shit! Tell me whilst keeping a straight face that Rossi's move on Stoner wasn't as bad...if not worse than Bautista's move? On the one hand...you say you want biffo...and we're queer..on the other...you're talking shit sorry mate. Rossi does his best to stop riders getting aggro with him. Certain riders used to fall for it...others didn't. You've been sucked into it. "no more competitive on the Honda?" Ummm...a 4th place behine Valentino Rossi at Laguna Seca? Yeah...guess Bradly Smith and God only knows how many other riders should have his ride. Bautista busted himself silly riding a Suzuki that was a pile of shit but kept trying. He's better value to me as visual experience than a lot of the other grid fillers. CRT anyone?

slowpoke

31st July 2013, 02:43

Fucking bullshit. You've got your Rossi blinkers on like the rest of the fanboiclub. And I get shit! Tell me whilst keeping a straight face that Rossi's move on Stoner wasn't as bad...if not worse than Bautista's move? On the one hand...you say you want biffo...and we're queer..on the other...you're talking shit sorry mate. Rossi does his best to stop riders getting aggro with him. Certain riders used to fall for it...others didn't. You've been sucked into it. "no more competitive on the Honda?" Ummm...a 4th place behine Valentino Rossi at Laguna Seca? Yeah...guess Bradly Smith and God only knows how many other riders should have his ride. Bautista busted himself silly riding a Suzuki that was a pile of shit but kept trying. He's better value to me as visual experience than a lot of the other grid fillers. CRT anyone?

Jeezus, Pete you are obsessed with that one Rossi move on Stoner......you obviously haven't heard that Stoner still easily won the championship, so the sky did not fall. I couldn't care less about Rossi, I just want to see close racing where the race is able to unfold not decided in the first corner with 4 riders in the gravel trap, or the championship leader is speared into from several rows back with not a hope in hell of making the corner. Forget the fuck about Rossi man, he's just not that big a deal these days.

Now here's the thing about the ol' WSB racing you reference as "biffo": I've watched the whole 2004 season now and for all the on track cage fighting and elbowing past at 150mph they never took each other out. Plenty of the moves were fuckin' hard but they walked the fine line between barely in control and out of control exceptionally well with none of the electronic aids they have nowadays as a safety net. Still lotsa crashes, just not into each other, which over that many races is more than just coincidence. Chili, Haga, Laconi, Vermeulen were all "nearly men" battling hard for the championship and never quite cracking it, but they still understood Newton's 2nd law of motorcycle racing: you can't win it on the first lap but you sure can lose it. Bautista on the other hand.....

Funny you should mention Bradley Smith vs Bautista, Bautista's first year in MotoGP he finished 13th in the championship behind Hector Barbera on a shite satellite Ducati. Smith is currently 11th, in front of the still shite satellite Duc's and only three places behind Bautista in 8th. Crutchlow finished his first season in 12th. I don't care if Smith is there or not but those are the numbers. We've all got concerns about how/why he got the ride but so far he's doing better than Crutchlow and Bautista in their rookie seasons.

As for the Suzuki, was it really that bad? That's an unanswered question for me. Capirossi was past his best, Vermeulen was untested at GP level, Hopper was never quite there and same goes for Bautista. The GSVR may well have been crap but without a confirmed front runner on board I find it hard to judge. 2010 was the year even freakish Stoner could only manage 4th on the factory Ducati, so imagine how bad Barbera's satellite Duc was. Looking at the results for 2010 lowly Barbera's best finiish was 8th for a 12th place finish in the championship while Bautista's best finish was 5th (so the bike had some decent pace), yet he only finished 13th with 5 DNF's. The bike mightn't have been great but neither was Bautista.

I'm not sayin' Bautista shouldn't be there, but "he's not the messiah, he's just a very naughty boy".

steveyb

31st July 2013, 08:59

He's a member of the Peoples Front of Judea, not the Judean Peoples Front, splitter!

Crasherfromwayback

31st July 2013, 09:04

Now here's the thing about the ol' WSB racing you reference as "biffo": I've watched the whole 2004 season now and for all the on track cage fighting and elbowing past at 150mph they never took each other out. Plenty of the moves were fuckin' hard but they walked the fine line between barely in control and out of control exceptionally well with none of the electronic aids they have nowadays as a safety net. Still lotsa crashes, just not into each other, which over that many races is more than just coincidence. Chili, Haga, Laconi, Vermeulen were all "nearly men" battling hard for the championship and never quite cracking it, but they still understood Newton's 2nd law of motorcycle racing: you can't win it on the first lap but you sure can lose it. Bautista on the other hand.....

I'm not sayin' Bautista shouldn't be there, but "he's not the messiah, he's just a very naughty boy".

Last corner at Donnington anyone? Two BMW's in the dirt. Come on mate...Superbikes have been taking each other out just as often...despite the 2004 season you speak of. It's a part of racing...and you know it. And the electronic aids do nothing for tucking the front and binning it...taking others with you anyway. And of course I know Stoner won the title...but he may not have if he'd broken his collar bone or wrist etc. And I'm not obsessed by that Rossi move...merely an example. My point being....even the best make silly mistakes at times.

Now Bautista. Lets see. Spanish 125 Champ. World 125cc Champ. Rookie of the year 1st year in 250's in a fully packed grid. Runner up in 250cc champs twice, once behind the all conquering Lorenzo, then behind Aoyama. Now what's Bradley Smith won again mate? How many world titles sorry? Runner up in the world series how many times sorry? Yep. Bautista's a real bunny.

pritch

31st July 2013, 09:24

Crasherfromwayback

31st July 2013, 09:30

Drew

31st July 2013, 09:42

Bautista is a good rider and I would like to see him doing rather better. IIRC he alone on the grid is stuck with Showa and Nissin. There may not be a big difference between those components and their Ohlins and Brembo equivalents but there is apparently a difference, it doesn't take much...

As has been said though he has sometimes been naughty.

Change of subject:
http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/07/30/interview-with-valentino-rossi-yamaha-engineer-jeremy-burgess/?src=SOC&dom=tw
That's an interesting point about tyres not being suited to the Ducati. There might be a residual loyalty from Burgess, or a lack of wanting to admit his boy just couldn't ride the bike. When Stoner was winning on it, the other bike was never on the podium that I can recall.

I remember Stoner destroying everyone at Phillip island his last year on the Ducati, but for the life of me I can't even picture the B bike on track at all.

pritch

31st July 2013, 10:17

There might be a residual loyalty from Burgess, or a lack of wanting to admit his boy just couldn't ride the bike.

I doubt that's the case. Kevin Cameron is at the top of the tree as far as motorcycle technical writers go and I doubt he would be susceptible to obfuscation.

Crasherfromwayback

31st July 2013, 10:36

I doubt that's the case. Kevin Cameron is at the top of the tree as far as motorcycle technical writers go and I doubt he would be susceptible to obfuscation.

I reckon. He's one very interesting and clever cookie eh!

Mental Trousers

31st July 2013, 10:38

Yeah funny how Bradl is getting better results now he's using Brembo gear eh.

Sounds like it was the way the Nissin's behave during the initial squeeze of the lever, biting too strongly too early before there was enough weight on the front tyre so he'd crash. The Brembo's seem to be more progressive.

Crasherfromwayback

31st July 2013, 10:40

Sounds like it was the way the Nissin's behave during the initial squeeze of the lever, biting too strongly too early before there was enough weight on the front tyre so he'd crash. The Brembo's seem to be more progressive.

No. It's because Bautista is a muppet.

roogazza

31st July 2013, 10:43

Kevin Cameron I doubt he would be susceptible to obfuscation.
Oooooh,love your dirty talk ! That article,interesting stuff, cheers.

Mental Trousers

31st July 2013, 11:03

No. It's because Bautista is a muppet.

Bautista has brain fade and bad judgement crashes. Bradl was crashing at the start of the braking zones all the time. Brembo fixed Bradl's crashes. A bullet is probably the only thing that can fix Bautista's crashes.

Crasherfromwayback

31st July 2013, 11:26

Bautista has brain fade and bad judgement crashes. Bradl was crashing at the start of the braking zones all the time. Brembo fixed Bradl's crashes. A bullet is probably the only thing that can fix Bautista's crashes.

Ummmm...pretty sure you'll find that's where Bautista is crashing too mate...

Mental Trousers

31st July 2013, 12:58

Ummmm...pretty sure you'll find that's where Bautista is crashing too mate...

I dunno. Bradl's crashes were mostly right at the start of the braking area whereas Bautista's are later on. Although I haven't been watching every single session to see all of their crashes.

Crasherfromwayback

31st July 2013, 13:18

I dunno. Bradl's crashes were mostly right at the start of the braking area whereas Bautista's are later on. Although I haven't been watching every single session to see all of their crashes.

Simple fact of the matter is...any one of the multiple crashes they've ALL had could've resulted in diff outcomes. That's kinda my point. Don't get to be a world champ at GP level unless you're more than a bit special. And Bautista has done that. That's good enough for me.

Drew

31st July 2013, 16:46

Simple fact of the matter is...any one of the multiple crashes they've ALL had could've resulted in diff outcomes. That's kinda my point. Don't get to be a world champ at GP level unless you're more than a bit special. And Bautista has done that. That's good enough for me.I just like the guy, because he got the Suzuki some coverage time. I'm a total Suzuki whore!

Crasherfromwayback

31st July 2013, 16:53

I just like the guy, because he got the Suzuki some coverage time. I'm a total Suzuki whore!

Fair enough reason!

HenryDorsetCase

31st July 2013, 17:11

I reckon. He's one very interesting and clever cookie eh!

if you havent read his books (they are collected from CYCLE and CYCLE WORLD columns and articles) both are excellent.

Plus there is the MotoGP book he wrote which I assume we all have. As well as Neil Spaulding's ones.

Getting back to Laguna, I reckon the most picturesque sight in MotoGP is that slow mo shot in the first lap where they all come over the top of the corkscrew turning left then flick it hard right going downhill fast. It looks like one of those time lapse photos except its video and all the bikes and leathers and helmets are different.

I am pleased to see my pick for 2013 (Mighty Midget Mark Marquez) looks to be on. Hope he gets it in his first year.

http://www.bookdepository.com/Classic-Motorcycle-Race-Engines-Kevin-Cameron/9781844259946

It turns out KC has a new book out. totally buying it.

Tony.OK

31st July 2013, 17:17

I just like the guy, because he got some coverage time. I'm a total whore!

Never a truer word written by you :baby:

tail_end_charlie

31st July 2013, 19:14

.................................................
Now Bautista. Lets see. Spanish 125 Champ. World 125cc Champ. Rookie of the year 1st year in 250's in a fully packed grid. Runner up in 250cc champs twice, once behind the all conquering Lorenzo, then behind Aoyama. Now what's Bradley Smith won again mate? How many world titles sorry? Runner up in the world series how many times sorry? Yep. Bautista's a real bunny.

And there are a long list of winners from the lower categorizes that never really got it together for the big boys class. And vis versa, riders that didn't show much in the lower classes, but were great in MotoGP.

tail_end_charlie

31st July 2013, 19:29

Dorna is a bunch of fucking wankers (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/aprilia-motogo-factory-concessions/)

I like the comment about the rulebook reading like 'War and Peace'. (That's a book written by a Russian author that's incredibly long and dry for those of you uncivilized pig farmers who don't know.)

They are getting the rules so twisted, with layers and layers of exceptions and allowances, that I don't think it's worth even arguing about how to fix it. Someone needs to come in, wipe the slate clean and say two wheels, one rider, make it around the track.....................

eelracing

31st July 2013, 19:33

Dorna is a bunch of fucking wankers[/url]

Someone needs to come in, wipe the slate clean and say two wheels, one rider, make it around the track.....................

They did...it was called Grand Prix 500.

GD66

31st July 2013, 19:43

And vis versa, riders that didn't show much in the lower classes, but were great in MotoGP.

Really ? Such as ?

GD66

31st July 2013, 19:47

http://www.bookdepository.com/Classic-Motorcycle-Race-Engines-Kevin-Cameron/9781844259946

It turns out KC has a new book out. totally buying it.

It's a ripper, and as usual for him, isn't written in technogeekspeak, so that humans can understand it. He has some interesting observations about crankshaft behaviour in various engine configurations and covers a vast variety of race machinery from the 1930s onward. Recommended reading for anyone who wonders why the history of racebike development went the way it did.

tail_end_charlie

31st July 2013, 20:05

Really ? Such as ?

Well, maybe not great, but at least won some races and podiumed. Where as in the lower classes they didn't win much/anything.

Sete
Checa
KR Jr
McCoy
Barros

GD66

31st July 2013, 20:56

Hmmm...yep, fair enough. All have had their share of moments in the sun in the main game.
Good call, mate.

Crasherfromwayback

31st July 2013, 21:55

It's a ripper, and as usual for him, isn't written in technogeekspeak, so that humans can understand it. He has some interesting observations about crankshaft behaviour in various engine configurations and covers a vast variety of race machinery from the 1930s onward. Recommended reading for anyone who wonders why the history of racebike development went the way it did.

Glad to hear it mate. I've been eyeing it up.

HenryDorsetCase

31st July 2013, 21:55

Well, maybe not great, but at least won some races and podiumed. Where as in the lower classes they didn't win much/anything.

Sete
Checa
KR Jr
McCoy
Barros

KR jr was World Champ! That counts for something....

HenryDorsetCase

31st July 2013, 21:56

Glad to hear it mate. I've been eyeing it up.

I thought "Fuck it, lifes too short", and hit the buy now straight after posting that link. I love bookdepository. I hate bookdepository.

What the fuck do I do with all these books now I've gottem?

Crasherfromwayback

31st July 2013, 21:58

They did...it was called Grand Prix 500.

Cept they limited it to four cyls, 6 gears and kept fucking with the weight limit. Remember when it was max weight of only 118kg's I think from memory!? Then what...123?...then 136? Something like that anyway...if they'd left it at 118...and got to the 200hp they managed later in life.....PHWOAR!!!!

Crasherfromwayback

31st July 2013, 22:00

What the fuck do I do with all these books now I've gottem?

Wild stab in the dark here...but I reckon read 'em!!

pritch

31st July 2013, 22:29

I thought "Fuck it, lifes too short", and hit the buy now straight after posting that link. I love bookdepository. I hate bookdepository.

What the fuck do I do with all these books now I've gottem?

Could be worse. I received a prepublication notice under the impression it was from the Book Depository and ordered the book, but buggered if the email wasn't from Amazon. I'll write the freight off as a tax on stupidity. :doh:

What I'm going to do with my books is buy a way overdue large bookshelf...

Crasherfromwayback

31st July 2013, 23:06

What I'm going to do with my books is buy a way overdue large bookshelf...

Still got the one you were good enough to send down here I'll send back anytime you want mate!

slowpoke

31st July 2013, 23:51

Last corner at Donnington anyone? Two BMW's in the dirt. Come on mate...Superbikes have been taking each other out just as often...despite the 2004 season you speak of. It's a part of racing...and you know it. And the electronic aids do nothing for tucking the front and binning it...taking others with you anyway. And of course I know Stoner won the title...but he may not have if he'd broken his collar bone or wrist etc. And I'm not obsessed by that Rossi move...merely an example. My point being....even the best make silly mistakes at times.

Now Bautista. Lets see. Spanish 125 Champ. World 125cc Champ. Rookie of the year 1st year in 250's in a fully packed grid. Runner up in 250cc champs twice, once behind the all conquering Lorenzo, then behind Aoyama. Now what's Bradley Smith won again mate? How many world titles sorry? Runner up in the world series how many times sorry? Yep. Bautista's a real bunny.

Yep, totally agree, they're all gonna make mistakes at times.

The WSB stuff I suprisingly enjoyed was right on the cusp of the electronic era, which seems to be the crucial element. The Donnington incident is from the other end of the electronic spectrum. Now the bikes are ruled by electronics engineers and the differences in drive are miniscule, so I almost understand the desperation in the opening lap or two while the field is bunched, 'cos it's just so bloody hard to pass. It was good listening to James Haydon's commentary of WSB, he'd see a good drive and predict the passing point, or a slamming of the door as a corner tightened etc. There just isn't the opportunity now to get a significantly better drive (unless you are on a Honda, lol) than your rivals. Throw in virtually identical brake and suspension packages it's easy to see why it's morphing into slot-bike racing.

Don't worry mate, I'm just playing devils advocate re Bautista, Smith and co. Bautista is no bunny as you say, he just hasn't quite progressed (to my mind anyway) as I'd hoped. FYI. he was second in 250GP to Simo and Aoyama (of all people), came 4th in Lorenzo's year.

As for Smith, it's Herve Poncharal's dollar and he can spend it how he likes. If that's what he needs to do to keep his team afloat then good on him. People forget business priority isn't about the best possible product or being the most successful, it's about making money....or in a MotoGP Team's case where money is hard to come by (remember even Factory Yamaha struggled to find a sponsor) just staying alive.

Crasherfromwayback

31st July 2013, 23:54

Yep, totally agree, they're all gonna make mistakes at times.

The WSB stuff I suprisingly enjoyed was right on the cusp of the electronic era, which seems to be the crucial element. The Donnington incident is from the other end of the electronic spectrum. Now the bikes are ruled by electronics engineers and the differences in drive are miniscule, so I almost understand the desperation in the opening lap or two while the field is bunched, 'cos it's just so bloody hard to pass. It was good listening to James Haydon's commentary of WSB, he'd see a good drive and predict the passing point, or a slamming of the door as a corner tightened etc. There just isn't the opportunity now to get a significantly better drive (unless you are on a Honda, lol) than your rivals. Throw in virtually identical brake and suspension packages it's easy to see why it's morphing into slot-bike racing.

Don't worry mate, I'm just playing devils advocate re Bautista, Smith and co. Bautista is no bunny as you say, he just hasn't quite progressed (to my mind anyway) as I'd hoped. FYI. he was second in 250GP to Simo and Aoyama (of all people), came 4th in Lorenzo's year.

As for Smith, it's Herve Poncharal's dollar and he can spend it how he likes. If that's what he needs to do to keep his team afloat then good on him. People forget business priority isn't about the best possible product or being the most successful, it's about making money....or in a MotoGP Team's case where money is hard to come by (remember even Factory Yamaha struggled to find a sponsor) just staying alive.

Stop it. I don't like it when you make sense. I can't abuse you.:msn-wink:

pritch

1st August 2013, 00:31

Still got the one you were good enough to send down here I'll send back anytime you want mate!

You can have that, or move it on to someone who might appreciate it. My problem is too many books, rather than too few.

Crasherfromwayback

1st August 2013, 00:34

You can have that, or move it on to someone who might appreciate it. My problem is too many books, rather than too few.

A true gentleman. Finished reading it in hospital after my ankle fusion. I owe you beer/wine.

Bender

1st August 2013, 08:13

You bastards just cost me $53.44 with all your book talk. You can repay me by buying my book when it comes out soon (some cracker NZ bikes featured in there),

Bautista. An interesting scenario there all right. I used to love watching him on the Suzuki, but now I wonder if the bike deserved better. He's not setting the world alight on the Honda, which is disappointing to a fan (which I am).

roogazza

1st August 2013, 11:18

Bautista. An interesting scenario there all right. I used to love watching him on the Suzuki, but now I wonder if the bike deserved better. He's not setting the world alight on the Honda, which is disappointing to a fan (which I am).
I've seem him have some great rides in 125 and 250. But hey, some can't follow it through to the bigger class.

On an entirely different level, I always felt better on bigger bikes.But maybe that was just my size ?

GD66

1st August 2013, 11:29

I thought he did fight pretty hard on the Suzuki, but it was always with an air of foreboding waiting for him to bin it near the end, which he frequently did ! Suzuki may have deserved better, but are/were unlikely to attract the best riders as their results have been forever crap, caused by a habit of going GP racing with a half-arsed effort.
Apart from Schwantz riding to and over the edge every time out, and KR Jr's impressive effort on a bike that clearly wasn't the best out there, they have achieved SFA, thus preventing the accountants from releasing more money to develop and improve the bike. Never more starkly evidenced than their effort at Phillip Island a few years back when Chris Vermeulen's Suzuki's times were beaten in practice, qual and race by Wayne Maxwell on the Honda Australia superbike, ouch !
Personally I hope they are competitive, but if they leave recent test pilot Randy de Puniet on the bike, it'll be back to the old scenario for them of waiting for the crash...:blink:

Geeen

1st August 2013, 16:17

A bit of marketing from Yamaha

http://youtu.be/-sGRXnbQPh4

onearmedbandit

1st August 2013, 16:30

Still denying he's gay I see...

Drew

1st August 2013, 18:34

Still denying he's gay I see...You wanna root him or summat?

Crasherfromwayback

1st August 2013, 18:40

Still denying he's gay I see...

His man friend certainly looks pretty camp.

denill

2nd August 2013, 07:39

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Aug/130801acru.htm> He could just be the next Stoner - who rides around the problem?</A>

roogazza

2nd August 2013, 08:31

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Aug/130801acru.htm> He could just be the next Stoner - who rides around the problem?</A>
The lure of the dollar huh Bill ? I can see him riding around problems, depends how much his body can take.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 08:52

The lure of the dollar huh Bill ? I can see him riding around problems, depends how much his body can take.

The fucking fool. No way he'll be able to ride that POS.

yod

2nd August 2013, 09:33

The fucking fool. No way he'll be able to ride that POS.

well...he's fairly forthright in his comments when his Yamaha isn't performing....will beinteresting to see what he says about the Duc when he's getting no better than 6th or so every race

who knows what they'll come up with between now and then? throw the aprilia engine in a honda frame and slap a Ducati badge on the side? :lol:

Geeen

2nd August 2013, 10:19

Now that Duc now have both last years Tech3 riders will CC be able to get past Dovi, considering he had issues with it last time the had the "same" bike??

Bender

2nd August 2013, 11:03

Can't help but come to the conclusion that Crutchlow has thrown his career away. Better to stick at Tech III, where he had an offer, and wait for Yamaha to need a works rider - although there is a good chance they would put one of the Espargaro's on the bike when Rossi finallly retires.

But to go to Ducati?

How many riders have we seen heading towards that bike, all bright eyed and bushy tailed, ready to overcome the bike's problems (e.g. Carruther's famous 80 second comment) - only to have their enthusiasm kicked out of them within a race or two. Crash after crash, and being beaten by CRT bikes just destroys their self esteem and their enjoyment. They must be plagued by the ghost of C. Stoner in their dreams.

I had hoped for more out of Crutchlow, once again I am disappointed by Moto GP.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 11:22

Can't help but come to the conclusion that Crutchlow has thrown his career away. Better to stick at Tech III, where he had an offer, and wait for Yamaha to need a works rider - although there is a good chance they would put one of the Espargaro's on the bike when Rossi finallly retires.

But to go to Ducati?

.

I can't help but wonder if his (like racers before him) ego is so fucking big that he actually believes he'll be able to do a Stoner and tame the thing. Bet Rossi did. Maybe Spies too. I've read that Crutchlow seems to thing he rides like Stoner. Now we'll see. But my money says he doesn't and can't.

denill

2nd August 2013, 11:29

roogazza

2nd August 2013, 11:39

I can't help but wonder if his (like racers before him) ego is so fucking big that he actually believes he'll be able to do a Stoner and tame the thing. Bet Rossi did. Maybe Spies too. I've read that Crutchlow seems to thing he rides like Stoner. Now we'll see. But my money says he doesn't and can't.
Either that or he is smarter than we think Pete. Imagine being what 28 ? and having guys like Horhay ,MM and even Rossi still in front of him. There's nothing like being there and seeing what these guys can do on a motorcycle and thinking "I'll take the pay cheque" cos just maybe I'll miss the boat.
If he can't master the Duc , the Duc's a pig ! If Audi make him something, he's a hero. Maybe it's a good move for him. What was his deal on the Tech3 , I thought I read $300,000 ?? Hayden's cheque would be worth the move, No ?

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 11:56

Either that or he is smarter than we think Pete. Imagine being what 28 ? and having guys like Horhay ,MM and even Rossi still in front of him. There's nothing like being there and seeing what these guys can do on a motorcycle and thinking "I'll take the pay cheque" cos just maybe I'll miss the boat.
If he can't master the Duc , the Duc's a pig ! If Audi make him something, he's a hero. Maybe it's a good move for him. What was his deal on the Tech3 , I thought I read $300,000 ?? Hayden's cheque would be worth the move, No ?

Obviously I'll never be able to answer that question. But should it have been me...I'd far rather be racing and beating the likes of Rossi and getting podiums on a Sat Yam than riding round amongst the CRT bikes for 7th and 8th place earning more on a Ducati.

tail_end_charlie

2nd August 2013, 12:52

I don't think that Cal is naive enough or letting his ego send him to Ducati and think that he can make it work when no one else could. He's probably thinking that there maybe a chance that Audi can make some changes and the Duc will get better, then he looks awsome! And if that doesn't happen, he's got two years at multi-million dollar salary that will carry him till he's 30, and therefore too over-the-hill (by MotoGP definitions) to compete at the top.

If he thinks that he's got the right stuff to make the Ducati win, then he is an idiot and delusional.

But no matter which it is, I'm still pissed at him, won't be worth watching him next year. :argh:

Geeen

2nd August 2013, 12:59

He's probably thinking that there maybe a chance that Audi can make some changes and the Duc will get better,

I seem to remember an interview I saw on the BBC coverage with the new German ducati boss saying they're aiming for race wins 2014 and to be in the title hunt 2015... Maybe the remainder of this year is them trying to find a realistic starting point for the bike. Theys crafty them Germans is......

jasonu

2nd August 2013, 13:55

I can't help but wonder if his (like racers before him) ego is so fucking big that he actually believes he'll be able to do a Stoner and tame the thing. Bet Rossi did. Maybe Spies too. I've read that Crutchlow seems to thing he rides like Stoner. Now we'll see. But my money says he doesn't and can't.

And maybe he doesn't give a fuck about any of that and simply wants to milk the sport for all he can get in the shortest amount of time then quit a rich man. It looks unlikely he will ever get a seat on one of the few prime bikes that he would need to be on to have a realistic shot at a world title so why not make some cash instead.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 14:08

And maybe he doesn't give a fuck about any of that and simply wants to milk the sport for all he can get in the shortest amount of time then quit a rich man. It looks unlikely he will ever get a seat on one of the few prime bikes that he would need to be on to have a realistic shot at a world title so why not make some cash instead.

Because certainly in my experience...guys like him like actually beating other guys in races. And who's to say if he stuck around on a sat Yam he wouldn't be given Rossi's bike when he retires? Or one of the Honda's next year? It's career suicide going to Ducati. A couple of mill won't last him long once he's paid all of the hospital bills!

Drew

2nd August 2013, 14:38

Because certainly in my experience...guys like him like actually beating other guys in races. And who's to say if he stuck around on a sat Yam he wouldn't be given Rossi's bike when he retires? Or one of the Honda's next year? It's career suicide going to Ducati. A couple of mill won't last him long once he's paid all of the hospital bills!
That's very cynical bro.

I don't know if he's dumb enough to think he can tame the current Ducati, on the current tyres. But I think he can do better than the current guys riding it, on sheer determination alone.

Career suicide? He was NEVER going to get a factory Yamaha/Honda! The guy doesn't represent a large enough market, or have the talent to be the champion. Only my opinion of course.

I love the way everyone here is assuming that he was offered a ride for Tech3 next year. I personally can't see why they would want him back in the seat at all.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 14:51

Career suicide? He was NEVER going to get a factory Yamaha/Honda! .

I didn't say anything about a factory Honda Knobjob. But either Bautista or Bradl may be without their Honda seat next year...I'd far rather race one of those than a poxy fucking Ducati too.

Drew

2nd August 2013, 15:08

I didn't say anything about a factory Honda Knobjob. I didn't say that you did.
But either Bautista or Bradl may be without their Honda seat next year...I'd far rather race one of those than a poxy fucking Ducati too.It might be quite easy to say that from our respective recliners, but there must be some feeling of self worth to have a factory single you out to ride their bike.

He wasn't gonna get a factory ride on a good bike, he knows it better than anyone. Since a non factory ride isn't likely to win a race, what's the difference?

Fuck it, go where the money is. He's likely not got more than two years left on the big stage anyway. Ride the Duc, hope it gets sorted, and laugh all the way to the bank when he goes to world superbike.

That's how I see it anyway.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 15:20

, and laugh all the way to the bank when he goes to world superbike.

That's how I see it anyway.

Sheesh. Think I'd rather ride a Ducati in Moto GP. And that's saying something.

jasonu

2nd August 2013, 15:46

I didn't say anything about a factory Honda Knobjob. But either Bautista or Bradl may be without their Honda seat next year...I'd far rather race one of those than a poxy fucking Ducati too.

Lotsa maybes there mate.
He is DEFINITELY getting the (good or not so good) Duc ride and a ton of cash.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 15:48

Lotsa maybes there mate.
He is DEFINITELY getting the (good or not so good) Duc ride and a ton of cash.

Oh I agree. And as has been said...maybe none of the other options were ever an option anyway. Guess I'm just surprised a guy that's been going so well is prepared to lose that competitiveness for money. That's assuming the Ducati stays shit. And there's no real sign of it improving so far let's be honest.

jasonu

2nd August 2013, 16:27

That's assuming the Ducati stays shit. And there's no real sign of it improving so far let's be honest.

No argument from me about that.

Bender

2nd August 2013, 16:47

That's very cynical bro.

I love the way everyone here is assuming that he was offered a ride for Tech3 next year. I personally can't see why they would want him back in the seat at all.

Fact is, he was offered a Tech 3 deal but wanted a guaranteed factory seat to follow that. Yamaha weren't prepared to do that. Confirmed by Lin jarvis.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 17:34

Fact is, he was offered a Tech 3 deal but wanted a guaranteed factory seat to follow that. Yamaha weren't prepared to do that. Confirmed by Lin jarvis.

That's what I've read too. That's why I think he's a fucking fool. Seems to me if he'd sat tight...kept beating up on Rossi...chances are he'd get that seat come 2015.

Tony.OK

2nd August 2013, 17:39

Time for a contract from Tech 3 to be written up for Redding. :yes:

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 17:41

Time for a contract from Tech 3 to be written up for Redding. :yes:

Time for Bradley Smiths one to be flushed down the toilet.

Tony.OK

2nd August 2013, 17:44

Time for Bradley Smiths one to be flushed down the toilet.

A fukn Men to that!

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 17:56

A fukn Men to that!

Yeah sorry. Don't mean to be mean...but he adds nothing to the series.

Drew

2nd August 2013, 18:03

That's what I've read too. That's why I think he's a fucking fool. Seems to me if he'd sat tight...kept beating up on Rossi...chances are he'd get that seat come 2015.

Thinking about it, they might as well give it to Cal, (they never would, what's in it for them). It isn't like they're gonna win the chamionship till Marquez is replaced as the freak of the bunch anyway, or they paoch the little bugger from Honda.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 18:08

Thinking about it, they might as well give it to Cal, (they never would, what's in it for them). It isn't like they're gonna win the chamionship till Marquez is replaced as the freak of the bunch anyway, or they paoch the little bugger from Honda.

Being Spanish and the next big thing..think HRC will be prepared to pay pretty big money to make sure MM stays with them for his entire time in Moto GP a-la Mighty Mick. They sure as hell didn't want Stoner to leave hence the 15 million offer for just one more year!!!

Drew

2nd August 2013, 18:13

Being Spanish and the next big thing..think HRC will be prepared to pay pretty big money to make sure MM stays with them for his entire time in Moto GP a-la Mighty Mick. They sure as hell didn't want Stoner to leave hence the 15 million offer for just one more year!!!
I do admire their rider ability judging skills.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 18:17

I do admire their rider ability judging skills.

With all due respect to HRC and Honda...neither Stoner nor MM are/were hard to spot as massive talents.

Drew

2nd August 2013, 18:25

With all due respect to HRC and Honda...neither Stoner nor MM are/were hard to spot as massive talents.Marquez was a gamble though, it's just paying off sooner than they expected I think.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 18:27

Marquez was a gamble though, it's just paying off sooner than they expected I think.

I dunno mate. LIke many I'll bet...I wasn't a fan at first. Too fucking dangerous at times. But watching him more closly last year...some of the things he did coming all the way through the pack etc...I started to realize how special the kid is/was. Then after his first few tastes of the big gun...I think the writing was on the wall.

BMWST?

2nd August 2013, 18:28

Yeah sorry. Don't mean to be mean...but he adds nothing to the series.

Early days mate its his first bloody season!

sent from the tag

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 18:29

Early days mate its his first bloody season!

sent from the tag

So I keep hearing mate! Maybe he's there to give all other gingas hope in life.

Reckless

2nd August 2013, 18:33

Rumour abounds

Via Facebook from the aussies

Australian Motorcycle News
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DID YOU REALLY?
It hasn’t been made officially official, but the BBC’s Azi Farni is reporting Cal Crutchlow will announce his move to Ducati overnight. We know the bloke is oozing talent, but is it enough to tame the Italian prototype? If nothing else, it’ll be good to see him and Dovi bashing fairings again.

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Personally I think jumping from a 3rd position bike to a 7th position bike would be an error!! Its quite well noted that Tech 3 want to keep him!!

Reckless

2nd August 2013, 18:52

I dunn mate. LIke many I'll bet...I wasn't a fan at first. Too fucking dangerous at times. But watching him more closly last year...some of the things he did coming all the way through the pack etc...I started to realize how special the kid is/was. Then after his first few tastes of the big gun...I think the writing was on the wall.

I think your right! Shit did I say that :brick: haha no one knew (even himself) I would guess?? but you can't take away Actual results they speak for themselves.

You can never take Rossies 9 championships or the fact he still has passion for the sport.
and you can't take away the results MM already has.
I'll eat my words about him earlier because he has not been dangerous or got himself injured, hes been patient, learnt and won ( others have crashed Pedro and Lorenzo?)
Credit where credits due!!
I don't think Stoner or Rossi can beat this kid. In my humble opinion the only one that can consistently is Lorenzo??
Pedro..... it must be so damn hard to be sooooo close but soooo far???

Looks like the changing of the guard at this stage of the season but they'll all be fit for the second 1/2.

Best damn season for a while I reckon.

pritch

2nd August 2013, 22:28

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 23:08

I don't think Stoner or Rossi can beat this kid. In my humble opinion the only one that can consistently is Lorenzo??

Best damn season for a while I reckon.

Well we don't know about Stoner. Maybe never will. But we can basically see that Rossi is not quite at the same level as the new aliens. And Stoner was one of them if not the head honcho. But it matters not. All hail the new alien from another galaxy!

I don't think that's it. Now that Audi have taken over, and have replaced a lot of key people at Ducati, people including CC are hoping for a big improvement next year.

Here's hoping they aren't wrong.

Yeah but they took over when? Seriously...think the stars simply aligned with the first up 800cc effort (HP, tyres and Stoner)..and may never again. Even their superbike is sucking arse now.

HenryDorsetCase

2nd August 2013, 23:10

Lotsa maybes there mate.
He is DEFINITELY getting the (good or not so good) Duc ride and a ton of cash.

I reckon the Ducati is about due to come spectacularly right. Audi involvement, some super talented engineers and managers, away they go. Honda have showed them it can be done. And they are burning a shit ton of money for 8th and 9th: either it comes right or they go fuck it, and back to dominating WSB.

Berries

2nd August 2013, 23:44

It hasn’t been made officially official, but the BBC’s Azi Farni is reporting Cal Crutchlow will announce his move to Ducati overnight. We know the bloke is oozing talent, but is it enough to tame the Italian prototype? If nothing else, it’ll be good to see him and Dovi bashing fairings again.

A done deal - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/23536326

merv

2nd August 2013, 23:48

I am sure Audi will be making sure that a new Ducati for 2014 is being built as we tap away on this thread.

Lol thinking of Audi's efforts at Le Mans maybe they will lobby Dorna to allow a turbo diesel engine.

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2013, 23:50

A done deal - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/23536326

Last time we'll ever see Crutchlow on a podium then is my bet.

Bender

3rd August 2013, 08:01

Yeah that's a bastard about Crutchlow. I liked seeing his competitiveness - he always wrings the bike's neck, even if it means he crashes. He's been one of the reasons MGP has taken a leap forward this year and now he's going to be spending more time sliding the bike on its fairings and nearly being run over by the CRT bikes.

Ducati is just so far off the pace - they have spent a load of money, brought new parts (including ditching CF and going to an alloy frame) but it's made no difference. That suggests to me that they are lost and struggling to go forward.

You may say that Audi's money will make things better next year but that is clearly what the riders thought this year. Hayden and Dovi have not been able to hide their shock and disappointment that their rides were still crap.

denill

3rd August 2013, 08:33

There could be at least one positive, even if the best being - Ducati up at the front again doesn't happen. And that is we could get more of the epic clashes between Dovi and Carl. :drool:

Bender

3rd August 2013, 09:23

This is an interesting read. (http://superbikeplanet.com/2013/Aug/130801b.htm)

Bitch fight at 10 paces?

Dovi' On Crutchlow & Ducati: 'On this bike everybody have a problem'

ecko_nzed

3rd August 2013, 10:17

Last time we'll ever see Crutchlow on a podium then is my bet.

I'll take that bet :D

Crasherfromwayback

3rd August 2013, 10:36

I'll take that bet :D

Once on a Ducati that is. 1 carton of Steinlager (ie 24 bottles).

Drew

3rd August 2013, 10:36

Yeah that's a bastard about Crutchlow. I liked seeing his competitiveness - he always wrings the bike's neck, even if it means he crashes. He's been one of the reasons MGP has taken a leap forward this year and now he's going to be spending more time sliding the bike on its fairings and nearly being run over by the CRT bikes.

I'm not so sure he'll spend a great deal more time sliding down the track on his face. He doesn't strike me as someone who rides the front end particularly hard, (compared to others), from what I've seen.

So if he can't get a feel for the vague front end, I think he'll just be slow and consistent.

When Ducati get it right, (and I believe they will eventually), all of a sudden we're gonna see both Dovi and Cal right up towards the front completely unexpectedly by anyone.

Drew

3rd August 2013, 10:37

Once on a Ducati that is. 1 carton of Steinlager (ie 24 bottles).Over one, or both years he's signed for?

Crasherfromwayback

3rd August 2013, 11:04

Over one, or both years he's signed for?

lol. First year with the option of the second!

Tony.OK

3rd August 2013, 11:12

Until Ducati pull in their "pride" and tighten up the V on that engine they're in trouble. Surely if you really wanted yo have the best of the best you wouldnt be so stubborn to not change the main part of the bike?
Wouldnt it be worth trying?

pritch

3rd August 2013, 11:23

You may say that Audi's money will make things better next year

It's not just about the money, it's about the engineering and management skills that the money can provide. Ducati now seem to be looking further afield for than Italy and Germany for talent and have hired Australian Warren Willing as a crew chief for one of the lab bikes.

Still, while they make detail changes to the current bike it does seem as if they're trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Here's hoping there's a new bike in the pipeline for 2014.

Funny thing is that may well upset the Ducatisti. They seemed to have nightmares about the Ducati GP bike becoming just another Honda or Yamaha, it seems though that will be what is required to be successful with the current tyre rule.

sugilite

3rd August 2013, 11:23

With Crutchlow in, I spose Spies is over.

pritch

3rd August 2013, 11:25

Until Ducati pull in their "pride" and tighten up the V

Honda seem to be doing OK with a ninety degree V?

pritch

3rd August 2013, 11:26

With Crutchlow in, I spose Spies is over.

No, It's Hayden who got the chop.

Drew

3rd August 2013, 11:31

Honda seem to be doing OK with a ninety degree V?It doesn't sit the same reletive to the frame though.

Ducati front slugs point nearly straight forward. There is a consistent opinion that this creates too long a wheel base or something, and the bike lacks front end grip/feel.

I personally think, that if the story is true about Bridgestone's current tyres not suiting it are true, for at least one third of the meetings (because there are three manufacturers), the whole feild should be running on a tyre that does suit the Ducati.

See how that plays out.

pritch

3rd August 2013, 11:36

It doesn't sit the same reletive to the frame though.

Ducati front slugs point nearly straight forward.

I understood Ducati tilted the engine back a year or more ago.
http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/08/01/technical-analysis-90-degree-v-four-engine-motogp-racing-technology/

Drew

3rd August 2013, 11:41

I understood Ducati tilted the engine back a year or more ago.It would appear not.

Drew

3rd August 2013, 11:43

I understood Ducati tilted the engine back a year or more ago.
http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/08/01/technical-analysis-90-degree-v-four-engine-motogp-racing-technology/

Did you read that? The last couple paragraphs imply that the bike still has the slugs too far forward.

Mental Trousers

3rd August 2013, 11:59

Oh I agree. And as has been said...maybe none of the other options were ever an option anyway. Guess I'm just surprised a guy that's been going so well is prepared to lose that competitiveness for money. That's assuming the Ducati stays shit. And there's no real sign of it improving so far let's be honest.

No argument from me about that.

EDIT How the fuck did those get quoted??

Anyway, Audi have changed things significantly. Now the organisation is geared to properly testing and and making a prototype that evolves throughout the year, unlike the old Ducati. The current version of the bike that Dovi raced last round has had a whole heap of work focussed on chassis stiffness. That hasn't worked so they're moving onto a different area, hopefully that'll be weight distribution.

Just because Audi didn't pull out a magic wand and make it work in a couple of weeks doesn't mean it isn't going to soon.

Once on a Ducati that is. 1 carton of Steinlager (ie 24 bottles).

How about a carton on a Ducati winning a race next season? I'll bet there's one.

Mental Trousers

3rd August 2013, 12:08

It doesn't sit the same reletive to the frame though.

Ducati front slugs point nearly straight forward. There is a consistent opinion that this creates too long a wheel base or something, and the bike lacks front end grip/feel.

I personally think, that if the story is true about Bridgestone's current tyres not suiting it are true, for at least one third of the meetings (because there are three manufacturers), the whole feild should be running on a tyre that does suit the Ducati.

See how that plays out.

Honda used a different layout for the gearbox, they put it up high like they have been in their road bikes. That made all the different because the engine was shorter (front to back) and the cylinders were much more vertical as well as the weight of the gearbox being carried higher. It also meant a longer swingarm, which means more control over suspension movement and better grip. The movement of the weight is also better.

Crasherfromwayback

3rd August 2013, 12:26

How about a carton on a Ducati winning a race next season? I'll bet there's one.

Done deal. You'll be oweing me one shortly anyway!:Punk:

ecko_nzed

3rd August 2013, 12:28

Once on a Ducati that is. 1 carton of Steinlager (ie 24 bottles).
Done.

Except make mine Heineken

Crasherfromwayback

3rd August 2013, 12:35

Done.

Except make mine Heineken

No worries mate!

GD66

3rd August 2013, 13:10

With Crutchlow in, I spose Spies is over.

Spies rides the Pramac bike. Occasionally. Or did. After he's missed most of the season with ongoing chest muscle issues, then Jorge and Dani turned out and raced with broken collarbones, his clout must be disappearing daily. Really don't know what happened there, you couldn't lay a glove on him on a superbike, but it seems psychologically he's a shot duck these days, and I doubt he'll ever get back to where he once was.

Regarding Crutchrot not working the front too hard, it seems most of his qual crashes have been front-end dumps. With the Ducati's recent history of flicking the front away while still upright at the very commencement of braking (Catalunya and Silverstone spring readily to mind), I'd say he's got some work ahead of him.
He has also displayed that instead of blinding speed during the race, he struggles to make up places in the early stages, then has to work his way through what's left towards the end. But he's a determined bugger, and is one tough hombre, so I'm sure he'll give his best each time out as always...:msn-wink:

Drew

3rd August 2013, 13:16

Honda used a different layout for the gearbox, they put it up high like they have been in their road bikes. That made all the different because the engine was shorter (front to back) and the cylinders were much more vertical as well as the weight of the gearbox being carried higher. It also meant a longer swingarm, which means more control over suspension movement and better grip. The movement of the weight is also better.If you look at the picture I posted, the Ducati gear box is quite obviously down low, with teh output shaft the rear most part of the engine...Except for a large chunk of cast ally for the swingarm to mount to of course.

Gearbox position is not limiting how short the motor is.

The inout shaft and clutch sitting so low however, could be of interest though. Spinning mass lower than the axle height, might not be the ideal.

denill

3rd August 2013, 13:26

Spies rides the Pramac bike. Occasionally. Or did. After he's missed most of the season with ongoing chest muscle issues, then Jorge and Dani turned out and raced with broken collarbones, his clout must be disappearing daily. Really don't know what happened there, you couldn't lay a glove on him on a superbike, but it seems psychologically he's a shot duck these days, and I doubt he'll ever get back to where he once was.

Your opinion, but not mine.

I am convinced that psychologically he is TOUGH. So I reckon that while some injuries are able to be ignored, others can be exacerbated. We are all just flesh and blood. No matter what the mind set.

I will not write him off yet. But he will still be riding a POS.

GD66

3rd August 2013, 14:06

I am convinced that psychologically he is TOUGH.

I will not write him off yet. But he will still be riding a POS.

I kind of agree : his efforts to get it done in the AMA series, where he was the only bloke to actually get inside Mladin's head and then flog him on-track, were astounding, and he was dominant in world supers, but I think his horror GP year on the Yamaha where all sorts of weird shit happened has really tested his resolve, and I feel has dented his armour quite badly. But for sure he is tough, so hopefully he can get back up to the pace again. I've certainly enjoyed his stint in commentary, he is intelligent and entertaining. Wish him the best, but as you say, the bike...

Mental Trousers

3rd August 2013, 14:15

If you look at the picture I posted, the Ducati gear box is quite obviously down low, with teh output shaft the rear most part of the engine...Except for a large chunk of cast ally for the swingarm to mount to of course.

Gearbox position is not limiting how short the motor is.

The inout shaft and clutch sitting so low however, could be of interest though. Spinning mass lower than the axle height, might not be the ideal.

They're all related. Move the gearbox and the clutch is in a different place and so is the output shaft.

The layout Ducati have chosen means the gearbox is in the way. They've got a relatively short swingarm mounted high up and the output shaft is toward the rear, a trade off they made to keep the engine long and low, the way Preziosi wanted it.

Crasherfromwayback

3rd August 2013, 14:32

AMA series, where he was the only bloke to actually get inside Mladin's head and then flog him on-track,

Ummmmm...not sure he actually did that. And it was never a flogging either.

Tony.OK

3rd August 2013, 14:59

Pol Espargaro signed 2 yr contract with Tech 3. No room for Redding then!

pritch

3rd August 2013, 15:06

Did you read that? The last couple paragraphs imply that the bike still has the slugs too far forward.

Well I've only read it about four times but fail to see what you are reading into it. Also that pic shows the motor tilted back. It's a long time ago now but I seem to recall the figure of 18 degrees was mentioned. That happened about the same time they moved the gas tank.

I was listening to the MotoPod podcast this afternoon and there was a discussion of the infuence of Audi on Ducati. The consensus was that there will be changes. Anybody reluctant to make changes will themselves be changed.

GD66

3rd August 2013, 15:33

Ummmmm...not sure he actually did that. And it was never a flogging either.

What ? He beat him three years in a row. By Mladin's standards, that's a flogging. I know the points weren't widely spread, in fact one year it was bloody close. But losing three in a row had Mladin spewing deluxe....

tail_end_charlie

3rd August 2013, 15:38

Well I've only read it about four times but fail to see what you are reading into it. Also that pic shows the motor tilted back. It's a long time ago now but I seem to recall the figure of 18 degrees was mentioned. That happened about the same time they moved the gas tank.

I've seen the 18 degrees quoted as well. What I'm not sure of is when they actually tilted it back. That Solid Works drawing that Drew posted up was from the GP12. So the question that I have is: was that before or after they did the 18 degree rotation.

Crasherfromwayback

3rd August 2013, 15:40

What ? He beat him three years in a row. By Mladin's standards, that's a flogging. I know the points weren't widely spread, in fact one year it was bloody close. But losing three in a row had Mladin spewing deluxe....

Don't get me wrong...having met Mladin I've no doubt at all he was fair eating himself up on the inside. But pretty sure each of those three titles Mladin won more races head to head, which whilst it's not the same as winning the title...it ain't no flogging either. I was at Laguna Seca in 2007, and I've gotta say that the AMA Superbike race was easily as good as the GP to watch. Mladin and Spies just went hammer and tong for every single lap. By the 2nd or 3rd lap they had like 10 secs on 3rd place back. They were unreal. Didn't let up for a second...and no quarter given. I always think it was a crying shame that Mladin never got another crack at the GP boys after his ill fated Cagiva outing. A waste I feel.

Drew

3rd August 2013, 17:48

Well I've only read it about four times but fail to see what you are reading into it. Also that pic shows the motor tilted back. It's a long time ago now but I seem to recall the figure of 18 degrees was mentioned. That happened about the same time they moved the gas tank.

I was listening to the MotoPod podcast this afternoon and there was a discussion of the infuence of Audi on Ducati. The consensus was that there will be changes. Anybody reluctant to make changes will themselves be changed.OK, now I've read the article again several times.

It explains very well why the Honda does work. But only asks questions regarding the Ducati.

Reckless

4th August 2013, 18:25

Crutchlow - Ducati

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/August/aug0313-cal-ready-for-ducati-challange/

codgyoleracer

5th August 2013, 12:23

Don't get me wrong...having met Mladin I've no doubt at all he was fair eating himself up on the inside. But pretty sure each of those three titles Mladin won more races head to head, which whilst it's not the same as winning the title...it ain't no flogging either. I was at Laguna Seca in 2007, and I've gotta say that the AMA Superbike race was easily as good as the GP to watch. Mladin and Spies just went hammer and tong for every single lap. By the 2nd or 3rd lap they had like 10 secs on 3rd place back. They were unreal. Didn't let up for a second...and no quarter given. I always think it was a crying shame that Mladin never got another crack at the GP boys after his ill fated Cagiva outing. A waste I feel.

I agree re Mladin, he was a Alien that went to waste.
I saw him ride in Aussie as a young fella on a superbike, he all but lapped the entire field in one race, and it was dry - plus the other fellas were no slouches......

codgyoleracer

5th August 2013, 12:25

Crutchlow - Ducati

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2013/August/aug0313-cal-ready-for-ducati-challange/

I suspect that will be a make or break decsion for CC, I wish him the best on setting the bike to keep the Bridgestones in their optimum temperature range

codgyoleracer

5th August 2013, 12:35

Your opinion, but not mine.

I am convinced that psychologically he is TOUGH. So I reckon that while some injuries are able to be ignored, others can be exacerbated. We are all just flesh and blood. No matter what the mind set.

I will not write him off yet. But he will still be riding a POS.

I Agree, as you can get a poxy niggly knee , neck or wrist injury/strain and really struggle to ride. On the other hand sometimes you can break something BIG or even break a wrist / elbow - and whilst the thing is mending you can still ride and not feel it much.
Seems to come down to pot-luck with where the nerve and also inflamation around the injury is located.
Drugs and bike set-up can "reduce" the pain to some degree - but as i say its weird how something seemingly insignificant and non-restictive to your day to day activity can sometimes have a massive effect on your abilty to race a bike.

Crasherfromwayback

5th August 2013, 13:03

I agree re Mladin, he was a Alien that went to waste.
I saw him ride in Aussie as a young fella on a superbike, he all but lapped the entire field in one race, and it was dry - plus the other fellas were no slouches......

Yeah I was at Lakeside when he was on the TKA ZXR750. He was the only geezer with balls big enough to not button off for a fraction going through the kink on the front straight that had a nasty dip in it. Fucking undercarriage on the deck...shaking it's head violently...bouncing off the rev limiter in top. Even the oppositions mechanics were all shaking their heads lap after lap. Was a real sight to see. Actually scary to watch. He was a fucking animal.

DidJit

5th August 2013, 13:25

Sounds amazing. Searching YouTube to see some of his exploits. Re-post and off-topic, but we might see Mladin in action (http://www.cyclenews.com/585/21567/Racing-Article/Mat-Mladin-To-Return-To-Racing-.aspx) again...

jasonu

5th August 2013, 15:02

Ummmmm...not sure he actually did that. And it was never a flogging either.

Yeah he did and it was.

Crasherfromwayback

5th August 2013, 15:18

Yeah he did and it was.

I beg to differ.

Crasherfromwayback

5th August 2013, 15:35

Yeah he did and it was.

Think you may wanna check these stats. AMA Superbike 2006 season. Spies wins it with 649 points and 10 race wins to Mladin's 641 and 8 race wins. I don't call that a flogging. 2007 AMA Superbike season = 652 points and 7 race wins vs 651 points and 12 wins? That sure as fuck ain't a flogging. In fact...one could say he got flogged. 2008 = 652 and ten wins vs 557 and 9 wins. But you need to bear in mind Mladin was disq for two rounds after the fact for a techincal infringement. So I gotta ask...where's the flogging?

Mental Trousers

5th August 2013, 17:36

Don't get me wrong...having met Mladin I've no doubt at all he was fair eating himself up on the inside. But pretty sure each of those three titles Mladin won more races head to head, which whilst it's not the same as winning the title...it ain't no flogging either. I was at Laguna Seca in 2007, and I've gotta say that the AMA Superbike race was easily as good as the GP to watch. Mladin and Spies just went hammer and tong for every single lap. By the 2nd or 3rd lap they had like 10 secs on 3rd place back. They were unreal. Didn't let up for a second...and no quarter given. I always think it was a crying shame that Mladin never got another crack at the GP boys after his ill fated Cagiva outing. A waste I feel.

What's got me fucked is Spies went head to head with Mladin week after week but one year at the factory Yamaha team and he's head fucked. Or at least that's what it looks like ....

jasonu

6th August 2013, 11:04

Think you may wanna check these stats. AMA Superbike 2006 season. Spies wins it with 649 points and 10 race wins to Mladin's 641 and 8 race wins. I don't call that a flogging. 2007 AMA Superbike season = 652 points and 7 race wins vs 651 points and 12 wins? That sure as fuck ain't a flogging. In fact...one could say he got flogged. 2008 = 652 and ten wins vs 557 and 9 wins. But you need to bear in mind Mladin was disq for two rounds after the fact for a techincal infringement. So I gotta ask...where's the flogging?

Fair enough mate. But what I saw (watched as it happened actually) was the formally unbeatable and untouchable Mladin getting beat 3 seasons in a row. IMO that is a (long term anyway) flogging.

Crasherfromwayback

6th August 2013, 11:21

Fair enough mate. But what I saw (watched as it happened actually) was the formally unbeatable and untouchable Mladin getting beat 3 seasons in a row. IMO that is a (long term anyway) flogging.

Like I say...the three titles speak for themselves. But it's still Mladins 29 race wins to Spies's 27. So to me..no flogging occured! Both fantastic racers at the very top of their game though for sure. Shame Spies has had such a shit run these last two years.

Reckless

6th August 2013, 21:30

Here ya go Crasher Stoner back on 27

http://superbike-news.co.uk/index.php/Motorcycle-News/weather-impedes-stoners-return-on-motogp-machine

Crasherfromwayback

6th August 2013, 21:46

Here ya go Crasher Stoner back on 27

l]

Cheers mate. Bout time too.

gixerracer

6th August 2013, 22:08

Like I say...the three titles speak for themselves. But it's still Mladins 29 race wins to Spies's 27. So to me..no flogging occured! Both fantastic racers at the very top of their game though for sure. Shame Spies has had such a shit run these last two years.

Ben Owned Mat just admit it. Ben has! Fact is 3 champs is an owning at there level

gixerracer

6th August 2013, 22:09

Like I say...the three titles speak for themselves. But it's still Mladins 29 race wins to Spies's 27. So to me..no flogging occured! Both fantastic racers at the very top of their game though for sure. Shame Spies has had such a shit run these last two years.

I love it when people quote race wins when someone else won the series. Clutching at straws I think it is called :rolleyes:

gixerracer

6th August 2013, 22:10

Crasherfromwayback

6th August 2013, 22:13

Ben Owned Mat just admit it. Ben has! Fact is 3 champs is an owning at there level

Ummmm...and Matt's won how many AMA titles?

I love it when people quote race wins when someone else won the series. Clutching at straws I think it is called :rolleyes:

Ummmm...Matts won how many titles compared to Spies?

Its called cheating

Ummmm...I didn't realise Matt made the swingarms himself personally to cheat? Jealous much?

gixerracer

6th August 2013, 22:18

Ummmm...and Matt's won how many AMA titles?

Ummmm...Matts won how many titles compared to Spies?

Ummmm...I didn't realise Matt made the swingarms himself personally to cheat?

Haha yea how many years did Ben race AMA SBK class v How many he won. Bingo another Stat for Ben

That team no way did not discuss running that swingarm with Mat they got caught cheating as a team. End of story

gixerracer

6th August 2013, 22:21

Ummmm...and Matt's won how many AMA titles?

Ummmm...Matts won how many titles compared to Spies?

Ummmm...I didn't realise Matt made the swingarms himself personally to cheat? Jealous much?

And Bens won how many MOTOGP races compare to Mat
And Bens won how amny world championship races compared to Mat
And Bens won how many world titles compared to Mat?

Mat took money over challange then Ben caught him up

tail_end_charlie

6th August 2013, 22:21

Ummmm...I didn't realise Matt made the swingarms himself personally to cheat? Jealous much?

I thought it was the crankshafts that they (the AMA) decided were out of spec???? (Probably the same crankshafts that Matt's teammates at Yoshimura Suzuki were running (Ben and Roger) whose bikes weren't checked.................................)

Crasherfromwayback

6th August 2013, 22:32

Haha yea how many years did Ben race AMA SBK class v How many he won. Bingo another Stat for Ben

That team no way did not discuss running that swingarm with Mat they got caught cheating as a team. End of story

Ummmm...dude...not Matt's fault Ben wasn't there the whole time. Bit like Rossi winning more titles than Stoner. Who do you think's better? Stoner if I'm not wrong due to head to head stats? Make up your mind.

And Bens won how many MOTOGP races compare to Mat
And Bens won how amny world championship races compared to Mat
And Bens won how many world titles compared to Mat?

Mat took money over challange then Ben caught him up

Ummm...Matt as an 18 year old in only his third season of road racing...onan uncompetitive Cagiva was expected to win how many GP races? And ummmm...you know for a fact that Matt was offered the challange do ya? You're sounding a little bitter and twisted Bro. For the record. I've met Mladin twice. I think he's an arrogant uphimself asshole. But he was a total weapon on a motorcycle. But hey...if winning the Aust 250 proddie title first time up...then the Aust Superbike title in ya second ever year of raod racing...then riding a 500cc two stroke GP bike in only ya third means he's a pussy compared to Spies...you win.

I thought it was the crankshafts that they (the AMA) decided were out of spec???? (Probably the same crankshafts that Matt's teammates at Yoshimura Suzuki were running (Ben and Roger) whose bikes weren't checked.................................)

You could be right actually now I think of it.

gixerracer

6th August 2013, 22:43

Ummmm...dude...not Matt's fault Ben wasn't there the whole time. Bit like Rossi winning more titles than Stoner. Who do you think's better? Stoner if I'm not wrong due to head to head stats? Make up your mind.

Ummm...Matt as an 18 year old in only his third season of road racing...onan uncompetitive Cagiva was expected to win how many GP races? And ummmm...you know for a fact that Matt was offered the challange do ya? You're sounding a little bitter and twisted Bro. For the record. I've met Mladin twice. I think he's an arrogant uphimself asshole. But he was a total weapon on a motorcycle. But hey...if winning the Aust 250 proddie title first time up...then the Aust Superbike title in ya second ever year of raod racing...then riding a 500cc two stroke GP bike in only ya third means he's a pussy compared to Spies...you win.

You could be right actually now I think of it.

Youve got me wrong I think Mat was amazing I watched him race at PI several times the guy was a freak.
Your point re Stoner Rossi and Mat and Ben is Mute. Ben replaced Mat as Casey replaced Stoner as Marc replaces Casey etc etc.
Mat had many many offers to go back in world championship racing and public stated why would I take a pay cut hence money over the challenge. Never claimed him to be a pussy I think your being a bit precuious Pete

gixerracer

6th August 2013, 22:44

Crasherfromwayback

6th August 2013, 22:52

Youve got me wrong I think Mat was amazing I watched him race at PI several times the guy was a freak.
Your point re Stoner Rossi and Mat and Ben is Mute. Ben replaced Mat as Casey replaced Stoner as Marc replaces Casey etc etc.
Mat had many many offers to go back in world championship racing and public stated why would I take a pay cut hence money over the challenge. Never claimed him to be a pussy I think your being a bit precuious Pete

Casey pelace Stoner haha I gota stop drinking. Casey replaced Rossi as the fastest man on the planet

My point being Bro is this. We cannot compare previous titles and races without one or the other being there. Hence...comparing Hailwood to Doohan...to Rossi etc etc. We can only compare racers if they are both there at the same time. So...to me...if in the three seasons they raced together...yes Spies won three titles (think he was there for four...but it matters not for this argument).This makes Spies better at winning titles than Mladin. But seeing as head to head Mladin beat Spies more than Spies beat him...that to ME...makes Mladin betterand faster than Spies.

Like Stoner vs Rossi. Yes...we all know Rossi has nine world titles. vs Stoners two. But head to head? Stoner won more races than Rossi...and that's taking into consideration that Stoner spent the first year in Moto GP on a sat bike with over the counter tyres vs Rossi and his fancy made to order Michelins. So you can tell me Rossi is better than Stoner...or that Spies is better than Mladin. But I'll never agree. If I beat you in 50 arm wrestles compared to the 40 you won. I'd consider myself better than you. It's not rocket science.

eelracing

7th August 2013, 01:30

Sorry Pete I don't agree totally,to me ultimately it is championships that are most remembered so if we take your head to head point for example, Casey won two,Rossi won two and Lorenzo has won two.If you talk to any champion they will tell you how hard it was to win the first one,but it is even harder to retain it back to back.And only Rossi has managed that head to head.

Look at it this way...in the 24 years between World Cup wins the All Blacks were the most winningest team in world rugby.It did'nt mean shit without the world cup though.

Casey is a freak,I rate him up there with Freddie Spencer.Both of them game changers in their time as both moved the sport up another level.
They could do things on a motorcycle that defied physical limits and were inspiring to watch at their peak.But they both burned out early...why?Maybe it's a genius thing,who can say eh.

The sport is all the more poorer without them.

Crasherfromwayback

7th August 2013, 01:49

Sorry Pete I don't agree totally,to me ultimately it is championships that are most remembered so if we take your head to head point for example, Casey won two,Rossi won two and Lorenzo has won two..

Look at it this way...in the 24 years between World Cup wins the All Blacks were the most winningest team in world rugby.It did'nt mean shit without the world cup though.

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Therein lies the (well mine at least) point. Who the fuck would argue that the AB's aren't the best rugby team in the world? The stats show they clearly are. Same goes for Stoner and Mladin. You can get a flat fucking tyre and lose a championship mate. you know that as well as I do. Does it make the other cunt better than you? As I said...Spies winning the three championships ahead of Mladin made him the Champ...without doubt. And 100% cudos to him for it. But to me...Mladin winning more races than Spies head to head makes hime better in my eyes than Spies.

And yes Stoner has won two...Lorenzo two...and Rossi two in the time they had racing against each other. So to split them up...would you not go to race wins head to head? Because you can't compare Rossi's nine titles to Stoner and Lorenzo's two...as they weren't there.
So head to head Stoner beat both Rossi and Lorenzo more than they beat him (two titles each)...Spies beat Mladin for titles but not for race wins head to head...and it's fair to say that Mladin could've easily won either of the 07/08 titles if not for some bad luck. And yes...racing is all about luck etc. I mean...if Craig Sharrifs had some more luck...

gixerracer

7th August 2013, 06:45

Therein lies the (well mine at least) point. Who the fuck would argue that the AB's aren't the best rugby team in the world? The stats show they clearly are. Same goes for Stoner and Mladin. You can get a flat fucking tyre and lose a championship mate. you know that as well as I do. Does it make the other cunt better than you? As I said...Spies winning the three championships ahead of Mladin made him the Champ...without doubt. And 100% cudos to him for it. But to me...Mladin winning more races than Spies head to head makes hime better in my eyes than Spies.

And yes Stoner has won two...Lorenzo two...and Rossi two in the time they had racing against each other. So to split them up...would you not go to race wins head to head? Because you can't compare Rossi's nine titles to Stoner and Lorenzo's two...as they weren't there.
So head to head Stoner beat both Rossi and Lorenzo more than they beat him (two titles each)...Spies beat Mladin for titles but not for race wins head to head...and it's fair to say that Mladin could've easily won either of the 07/08 titles if not for some bad luck. And yes...racing is all about luck etc. I mean...if Craig Sharrifs had some more luck...

If he ate less pies and drunk less beer shed be job done