Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[James Deuce]

Hmmmm! News this morning "Measles outbreak feared Australia / NZ"!

When we were kids we were sent to play with kids that had measles! :rolleyes:

The problem now is that we're on the verge of a post-antibiotic world. So the treatments for secondary infections caused by measles, like encephalitis, are on the verge of being ineffective.

Herd immunity is the best defense, both for the general populace and for those who can't be vaccinated for a medically documented and supportable reason.

[Ocean1]

The problem now is...

Whadaya mean I dunno? Shouldn't we be arguing about your next acquisition?

[James Deuce]

Whadaya mean I dunno? Shouldn't we be arguing about your next acquisition?

It's booked! The lawyer just has to finish up some business and it's mine. You won't like it.

[Ocean1]

It's booked! The lawyer just has to finish up some business and it's mine. You won't like it.

What does "booked" mean?

And I don't give a fuck whether I like it or not, I demand my right to insist that you consider a bunch of stuff I like whether it's appropriate to your needs or not!

Which is a right entirely independent, I might add of the one whereby I get to rubbish whatever shite you do eventually get.

[Oakie]

Just preparing to kick off the free flu vaccinations for our staff again this year. Had 15 staff opt in in 2012, 30 in 2014 and aiming for 40 this year out of a staff of about 85. And none of them got sick from the vaccination and importantly, none of them got the flu.

Have at it naysayers ...

[skippa1]

Vaccinate. Why wouldn't you?

[pzkpfw]

Flu shot on April 1. Just because.

[AllanB]

I had a flu shot at work today. Just had a shower and I reckon my penis is larger.

[oneblackflag]

I had a flu shot at work today. Just had a shower and I reckon my penis is larger.

I NEED this...:yes:

[Oakie]

I had a flu shot at work today. Just had a shower and I reckon my penis is larger.

Depends how long you washed it for and how fast doesn't it.

[oldrider]

I had a flu shot at work today. Just had a shower and I reckon my penis is larger.

If they put the flu shot under your foreskin, you are probably right! :doctor:

http://people.howstuffworks.com/circumcision1.htm

[Oakie]

If they put the flu shot under your foreskin, you are probably right! :doctor:

http://people.howstuffworks.com/circumcision1.htm

Dammit!. I probably wouldn't have looked at that if I realised we were having pork sausages for tea tonight.

[Ocean1]

Another one that needs to be exposed to the primary effects of measles: http://www.essentialmums.co.nz/baby/health/9880291/Why-this-mum-chose-not-to-vaccinate-her-kids

[FJRider]

I had a flu shot at work today. Just had a shower and I reckon my penis is larger.

Get an allergy shot .. and the swelling will go down ... :pinch:

[Akzle]

i dont want my kids to be allergic to cows. So i can inject them with 5cc of cow blood, right?

[Akzle]

Another one that needs to be exposed to the primary effects of measles: http://www.essentialmums.co.nz/baby/health/9880291/Why-this-mum-chose-not-to-vaccinate-her-kids

so, its your position that everyone should be forcibly medicated because science thinks its a good idea?

Remind me when crackers stopped the 'scientific' burning of witches....

[Akzle]

im going to sneeze on children, and touch lots of things without washing my hands.

[Ocean1]

so, its your position that everyone should be forcibly medicated because science thinks its a good idea?

Remind me when crackers stopped the 'scientific' burning of witches....

No need. Just offer them the choice of measles or the vaccination. Let's see who's science is right.

And the witch thing wasn't science, was it? It was more of the same populist ignorance seen nowadays amongst the anti-inoculation crowd.

[Akzle]

No need. Just offer them the choice of measles or the vaccination. Let's see who's science is right.

And the witch thing wasn't science, was it? It was more of the same populist ignorance seen nowadays amongst the anti-inoculation crowd.

youre suggesting the church doesnt know science?? But, they were so persuasive...
ill take my chances unvaccinated, as i have since infancy, when i didnt know any better.

Do coconuts migrate?

[oldrider]

Do coconuts migrate?
Well yes they do, unless you are overtly politically correct, then no! :mellow:

[Berries]

Another one that needs to be exposed to the primary effects of measles: http://www.essentialmums.co.nz/baby/health/9880291/Why-this-mum-chose-not-to-vaccinate-her-kids
Looks like she has got a lot of support from the comments on that page.

[Ocean1]

Looks like she has got a lot of support from the comments on that page.

How much support would she have after the outbreak of an epidemic?

Like I said, the choice is simple: disease or cure. And you're not just choosing for yourself, or even just those alive today.

[Berries]

Sorry, I missed the [/sarcasm] bit.

[Ocean1]

Sorry, I missed the [/sarcasm] bit.

Cbf looking. Didn't really need to, should have known better.

[Oakie]

Well I've got 28 people signed up at work for the flu jab. Should break 30 easliy and get close to 40 out of 85 staff.

[Akzle]

i heart science.

Its killing the children of morons.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13034064-the-global-threat-of-untreatable-infectious-diseases-what-you-need-to-know

[flyingcrocodile46]

I hope you and your unvaccinated brethren are not smitten by Smallpox, a disease completely eradicated by vaccination.
Ah yes! Hitcher has all the answers
Perhaps we can shed more light on the subject in a current thread about similar issues

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/168698-EBOLA-creeping-timebomb?p=1130757929#post1130757929

[oldrider]

Something you need to know about vaccinations and the body cells they use to develope them : Like HeLa cells for instance!

Link: http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/hela-cell.htm

Read all six pages and then there is more, a little more horrific but still interesting! (Vaccines might not be so sexy once you know whats in them!) :doctor:

[Edbear]

It's a conspiracy... <_<

[haydes55]

It's a conspiracy... <_<


So is population control (religion).

I'd rather take a 1 in ten million chance of a vaccine killing me than be at risk of any diseases that they stop. Personally, if anyone is dumb enough to not get vaccinated, then Darwin will be along shortly enough to give you measles.

[Edbear]

So is population control (religion).

I'd rather take a 1 in ten million chance of a vaccine killing me than be at risk of any diseases that they stop. Personally, if anyone is dumb enough to not get vaccinated, then Darwin will be along shortly enough to give you measles.

My comment was a dig at the conspiracy theorists. Personally I am in favour of vaccination.

[Akzle]

ed, no one was fuken talking to you! :doh:

[oldrider]

So is population control (religion).

I'd rather take a 1 in ten million chance of a vaccine killing me than be at risk of any diseases that they stop. Personally, if anyone is dumb enough to not get vaccinated, then Darwin will be along shortly enough to give you measles.


My comment was a dig at the conspiracy theorists. Personally I am in favour of vaccination.

Obviously you guys never read the link on HeLa cells: http://science.howstuffworks.com/lif.../hela-cell.htm

It's not the vaccine theory that's wrong it's the way they develope the vaccine solutions FFS!

[Edbear]

http://www.immune.org.nz/vaccine-development-0

[Edbear]

ed, no one was fuken talking to you! :doh:

He quoted me. I thought it would be rude not to respond. :Playnice:

[flyingcrocodile46]

Just deny that it is happening, and make sure that your children line up for their next dose of sheep dip. When your kids contract autisim, don't ask for my sympathy or a share of my tax dollars to help you support them through the suffering that you inflicted on them.

Breaking: CDC whistleblower Thompson in grave danger now
by Jon Rappoport
August 22, 2014
www.nomorefakenews.com (http://www.nomorefakenews.com/)
(Note: All posts related to this story are archived here (http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/category/vaccinegate/) under #Vaccinegate.)
William W Thompson, PhD…the CDC whistleblower…was escorted off the premises of the CDC campus yesterday afternoon. This is what a source has just told me.
Therefore, the CDC knows Thompson is the whistleblower.
He’s in danger.
I’ve also been told that the Autism Media Channel (autismmediachannel.com), which had posted the video revealing Thompson’s name and outing him, is gone. The site is suddenly gone. (AMC’s documentary video is here (http://vimeo.com/user5503203/review/103711143/91f7d3d4d8) on vimeo.com (http://vimeo.com) — entitled “CDC Whistleblower revealed”).

Threats of various kinds, at the very least, will now be applied to Thompson. Legal action, perhaps arrest, perhaps worse.
When it comes to vaccines and protecting that empire, the games are very serious. Deadly serious. The gloves come off.
People have to understand this, if Thompson disappears or shows up dead “as a suicide.”
Since Thompson isn’t, as of this moment, stepping forward himself to provide full disclosure on his past actions, and since his name is already out there….the best protection he has is other people.
Other people making his name and his dangerous situation known. That has to happen now.
http://jonrappoport.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/william-thompson-photo.png?w=810&h=300 (http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=O44rjiMAAAAJ&hl=en)

A copy of the removed video is available at the link below. This is no one time accident. These cunts have been knowingy lying and killing people non stop since they started


http://vimeo.com/user5503203/review/103711143/91f7d3d4d8

[idb]

Just deny that it is happening, and make sure that your children line up for their next dose of sheep dip. When your kids contract autisim, don't ask for my sympathy or a share of my tax dollars to help you support them through the suffering that you inflicted on them.


A copy of the removed video is available at the link below. This is no one time accident. These cunts have been knowingy lying and killing people non stop since they started


http://vimeo.com/user5503203/review/103711143/91f7d3d4d8

"Autism"?!
Do you still believe that old crap?

[Crasherfromwayback]

"Autism"?!
Do you still believe that old crap?

Lol. Yep. That one's been well and truly proven to be utter shit.

[Woodman]

Lol. Yep. That one's been well and truly proven to be utter shit.

You must be one of those sheeple who don't believe everything you read on conspiracy theorist websites. Get with the program.

[jonbuoy]

Just deny that it is happening, and make sure that your children line up for their next dose of sheep dip. When your kids contract autisim, don't ask for my sympathy or a share of my tax dollars to help you support them through the suffering that you inflicted on them.


A copy of the removed video is available at the link below. This is no one time accident. These cunts have been knowingy lying and killing people non stop since they started


http://vimeo.com/user5503203/review/103711143/91f7d3d4d8

Wow retarded and a nasty piece of shit who would refuse to help others. You got dealt the short hand in life eh?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Get with the program.

I fucking wrote it mate!

[mashman]

Lol. Yep. That one's been well and truly proven to be utter shit.


You must be one of those sheeple who don't believe everything you read on conspiracy theorist websites. Get with the program.


"Autism"?!
Do you still believe that old crap?


Wow retarded and a nasty piece of shit who would refuse to help others. You got dealt the short hand in life eh?

So, one of the guys that presented the findings tells that he repressed the true results and explains what he has done... and you deny that he's telling the truth? Is that it? It's sweet that you don't believe that there are groups of people who condone such experimentation, it really is. Kinda scarey that it only took 4 people to blind an entire flock though :shifty:.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So, one of the guys that presented the findings tells that he repressed the true results and explains what he has done... and you deny that he's telling the truth? Is that it? It's sweet that you don't believe that there are groups of people who condone such experimentation, it really is. Kinda scarey that it only took 4 people to blind an entire flock though :shifty:.

Mate...I haven't even bothered to look at any of the latest links supplied. There is no proven link between vaccines and autism. End of.

[flyingcrocodile46]

"Autism"?!
Do you still believe that old crap?

LMAO. The article posted comes from the horses mouth, my little sheeple.

If you are seeing crap, you are clearly immersed head first very deeply in the wrong end of the horse.

[Woodman]

Mate...I haven't even bothered to look at any of the latest links supplied. There is no proven link between vaccines and autism. End of.

Their is no proven link between what these guys believe and reality, but its fucken entertaining.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Mate...I haven't even bothered to look at any of the latest links supplied. There is no proven link between vaccines and autism. End of.

Read as .... Baaaaaaaaa, Baaaaaaaaa, Baaaaaaaaa.


Who woulda thunk, an ostrisheep:rolleyes:

[GSW]

Love it,

Mate of mine was one of the old "oh if i vaccinate my child everyting will go wrong" crowd... never vaccinated either of his boys... both had severe Autistic issues....

Nothing to do with vaccinations.... Its hereditary and both perents were carriers

[bogan]

LMAO. The article posted comes from the horses mouth, my little sheeple.

If you are seeing crap, your are clearly immersed very deeply in the wrong end of the horse.

Is there an article about the results and autism correlation? Or is some sensationalist headline all the 'proof' you need? (and no I'm not going to bother with vimeo links or other video bullshit).

[mashman]

Mate...I haven't even bothered to look at any of the latest links supplied. There is no proven link between vaccines and autism. End of.

Why not? I think that there is something inherently dangerous in administering a generic vaccine against multiple viruses by using a dose of said viruses to trigger immunisation. Potentially in those who would have already have been immune to them viruses. Just a few thoughts rattling around in that padded cell I call a brain ;). But enough for concern in my book. Users choice surely :shifty:.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Love it,

Mate of mine was one of the old "oh if i vaccinate my child everyting will go wrong" crowd... never vaccinated either of his boys... both had severe Autistic issues....

Nothing to do with vaccinations....

Of course, shit happens and will continue to do so, and we owe it to ourselves to minimise those risks and taking vaccines wouldn't have prevented his kids from contracting autisim either but may save them from MMR??. His kids probably aren't black African or african american, though are they? (if you watched the video, you would see that they are the risk group in this particular scandal)

For those in denial (who are so scared shitless that their world might not be what they think it is, that they can't brave a 10 minute video), the video shows the data from the original studies carried out by the CDC and the fact that African americans (and black africans) have a 240 to 340 % increased risk of contracting autisim if they take the vaccine at the recommended age (as opposed to taking it later in life). The research data was based on scientific analysis of real world results from the vaccine administration in the early years.

Some of you simpletons need to understand that my posting this wasn't about the certanties of what percentage may or may not contract autisim as a result of taking the MMR vacine. It's the fact that the CDC (and WHO comittee members) can't be relied on to tell the truth. That and the fact that you really need to pull your collective heads outta your arses and stop persecuting truth seekers who try to raise your awareness.

Sure vaccines work. BUT, there are real risks and they need to be understood. Should you expose yourself (or your kids) to a risk for no good reason? If you think it's ok, then fine. But, don't persecute people who question or won't accept the risk...... just because you are a reactionary brainless puppet. If you want to argue for mandatory vaccinations at least inform yourselves of the real facts (by all means) rather than simply taking the word of someone who is either a liar or who has been lied to.

[bogan]

For those in denial (who are so scared shitless that their world might not be what they think it is, that they can't brave a 10 minute video), the video shows the data from the original studies carried out by the CDC and the fact that African americans (and black africans) have a 240 to 340 % increased risk of contracting autisim if they take the vaccine at the recommended age (as opposed to taking it later in life). The research data was based on scientific analysis of real world results from the vaccine administration in the early years.

So hang on a sec, if the proof is there, why is it not in a more independently/openly interpretable/verifiable form like an article with proper references? Expecting us to take an online video as truth makes really highlights your sheeple problem, it is not that we are sheeple at all; it is simply we are not your sheeple, cos that is the only fucking way dipshits like Jenny Mccarthy can gain followers.

The sheeple argument is only effective to get people to open their minds, if you have nothing for them to review once they do it is a pretty bad look for your cause...

[flyingcrocodile46]

Is there an article about the results and autism correlation? Or is some sensationalist headline all the 'proof' you need? (and no I'm not going to bother with vimeo links or other video bullshit).

If that is how you roll, then there really isn't any point in you looking at the video, because you have demonstated that you don't have the intelligence required to process the information. But if it matters to you that you have an answer to your question... Yes, the video is the article and shows the relevant portion of the research data.

[flyingcrocodile46]

So hang on a sec, if the proof is there, why is it not in a more independently/openly interpretable/verifiable form like an article with proper references? Expecting us to take an online video as truth makes really highlights your sheeple problem, it is not that we are sheeple at all; it is simply we are not your sheeple, cos that is the only fucking way dipshits like Jenny Mccarthy can gain followers.

The sheeple argument is only effective to get people to open their minds, if you have nothing for them to review once they do it is a pretty bad look for your cause...

If you wait for all 4 of the murderers (isn't one enough?) to admit the murders you may have to wait another couple or three decades yet. Gulf of Tonkin anyone?

[mashman]

If you wait for murderers to admit the murders you may have to wait another couple or three decades yet. Gulf of Tonkin anyone?

Thalidomide...

[Woodman]

"Scared shitless" , "simpletons" , "real facts", "reactionary brainless puppet" ,"persecuting truth seekers":crazy:

The irony meter just exploded.

[bogan]

If you wait for murderers to admit the murders you may have to wait another couple or three decades yet. Gulf of Tonkin anyone?

Sometimes a bunch of people evaluate and interpret the information at hand to make an informed decision about whether the murderer is guilty or not; that is what I would like to do here, but it would seem the evidence is all hyped up headlines and slanted videos. No I won't be bullied into being a sheeple just cos you make some vague comparisons or insults or whatever; show me the studies, show me the articles, show me the proof.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Not here to waste time arguing with idiots. I only stopped in to pass on relevant factual information that everyone has a right to know. Don't like it? I don't care. B'bye

[flyingcrocodile46]

Thalidomide...

Exacery....

[bogan]

Not here to waste time arguing with idiots. I only stopped in to pass on relevant factual information that everyone has a right to know. Don't like it? I don't care. B'bye

We see here the approach of a virus against one has been adequatley vaccinated, they try to gain a foothold but end up fucking off in short order.


Exacery....

Ah yeh, the great thalidomide scandal, brought into light by a sensationalist headline and a youtube video was it? No, wait, it was facts and studies again; useful things eh!

[Woodman]

funny, thought he liked dealing with idiots?

[jonbuoy]

Of course, shit happens and will continue to do so, and we owe it to ourselves to minimise those risks and taking vaccines wouldn't have prevented his kids from contracting autisim either but may save them from MMR??. His kids probably aren't black African or african american, though are they? (if you watched the video, you would see that they are the risk group in this particular scandal)

For those in denial (who are so scared shitless that their world might not be what they think it is, that they can't brave a 10 minute video), the video shows the data from the original studies carried out by the CDC and the fact that African americans (and black africans) have a 240 to 340 % increased risk of contracting autisim if they take the vaccine at the recommended age (as opposed to taking it later in life). The research data was based on scientific analysis of real world results from the vaccine administration in the early years.

Some of you simpletons need to understand that my posting this wasn't about the certanties of what percentage may or may not contract autisim as a result of taking the MMR vacine. It's the fact that the CDC (and WHO comittee members) can't be relied on to tell the truth. That and the fact that you really need to pull your collective heads outta your arses and stop persecuting truth seekers who try to raise your awareness.

Sure vaccines work. BUT, there are real risks and they need to be understood. Should you expose yourself (or your kids) to a risk for no good reason? If you think it's ok, then fine. But, don't persecute people who question or won't accept the risk...... just because you are a reactionary brainless puppet. If you want to argue for mandatory vaccinations at least inform yourselves of the real facts (by all means) rather than simply taking the word of someone who is either a liar or who has been lied to.

Read up on Kano if you want to see what happens when a large number of people refuse vaccines. Vaccinations work and if everyone "helps" by being immunised then future generations don�t need to be immunised. Its exactly why the general public no longer need to be vaccinated against Smallpox. Smallpox vaccine also had serious side effects and even death in some cases - hopefully now no human will ever have to suffer from either Smallpox or the Vaccine. Of course you have to take your own head out of your arse to seek that truth.

[jonbuoy]

Exacery....

Thalidomide is still used for cancer treatment - just not given to pregnant women. Of course drug companies make mistakes - until they are tried on humans how can they know what the side effects are. How many peoples lives have you helped to save developing new drugs and treatments?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Read as .... Baaaaaaaaa, Baaaaaaaaa, Baaaaaaaaa.


Who woulda thunk, an ostrisheep:rolleyes:

Lol. Need a new paddock.

[idb]

Latest evidence suggests that autism develops in the womb...which, when you think about it, is several months prior to the first vaccination.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Thalidomide...

Smallest pub in the world. *The Thalidomide Arms*

[mashman]

Smallest pub in the world. *The Thalidomide Arms*

heh, we used to hang around waiting for the Queens Legs to open to get a drink.

[Crasherfromwayback]

heh, we used to hang around waiting for the Queens Legs to open to get a drink.

Lol. Fucked if I'd drink anything that came outta there!

[mashman]

Lol. Fucked if I'd drink anything that came outta there!

Ya fuckin snob.

[Katman]

Let me start by saying I have no formed opinion on the vaccination issue but found this interesting....

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1164794

[noobi]

Found this interesting too

http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp

[Katman]

Found this interesting too

http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp

Yes, I'm always amused by sites who discredit articles based simply on the fact that it could have been submitted by any aggrieved member of the public with an agenda - but give no indication of the credentials (or the agenda) of the person 'debunking' the article.

[idb]

The whole antivax conspiracy crowd have changed tack over the years.
An original claim by them was that thimerosal was causing it because it contains a form of mercury.
Thimerosal was removed from vaccines in 1999 but, guess what, the incidence of autism hasn't been affected!

[noobi]

Yes, I'm always amused by sites who discredit articles based simply on the fact that it could have been submitted by any aggrieved member of the public with an agenda - but give no indication of the credentials (or the agenda) of the person 'debunking' the article.

The CNN ireport link was written by who?

The ScienceBlog links at the bottom of the snopes page are written by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gorski , who to be fair is a noted critic of the antivaccine movement. Although at least he says who he is.

[idb]

The CNN ireport link was written by who?

The ScienceBlog links at the bottom of the snopes page are written by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gorski , who to be fair is a noted critic of the antivaccine movement. Although at least he says who he is.

The CNN "article" is basically a crowd-sourced article that can be submitted by anyone...a blog if you like.

[noobi]

The CNN "article" is basically a crowd-sourced article that can be submitted by anyone...a blog if you like.
I know, was just trying to point out to katman that what he said about the snopes article applies equally to the cnn article.

[Katman]

I know, was just trying to point out to katman that what he said about the snopes article applies equally to the cnn article.

If you re-read my post you'll see that I've already conceded that point.

(And it was, in fact, the whole point of my previous post).

[idb]

I know, was just trying to point out to katman that what he said about the snopes article applies equally to the cnn article.

Sorry, I wasn't criticising, I was re-inforcing your point.

[Katman]

An interesting article on Snopes.

http://www.politicalears.com/blog/snopes-got-snoped/

[flyingcrocodile46]

We see here the approach of a virus against one has been adequatley vaccinated, they try to gain a foothold but end up fucking off in short order.

Ah yeh, the great thalidomide scandal, brought into light by a sensationalist headline and a youtube video was it? No, wait, it was facts and studies again; useful things eh!

Thalidomide is still used for cancer treatment - just not given to pregnant women. Of course drug companies make mistakes - until they are tried on humans how can they know what the side effects are. How many peoples lives have you helped to save developing new drugs and treatments?

You are uninformed idiots. How long after thalidomide is proven to be a fucking unmitigated disaster for the users (and in particular, their children) is a drug company allowed to keep selling it to women to treat morning sickness before idiots like you understand that Pharma is interested only in profit and really couldn't give a shit about the health of people?? The answer is.. that you wouldn't have a fucking clue because you are too ignorant of real facts to be able discern your arse from your elbow (yet insist on debating subjects on which you are completely ignorant). Thalidomide was still being manufactured and sold to pregnant women in third world countries more than twenty years after it was exposed for what it was. It's a fact (google it you dip shits).

Now. Scientific studies and the misplaced trust that you so ignorantly place in them. You only have to look at "Global warming" and the fucking lies that so called cLiemate scientists propagated for nearly two decades, to understand how the narrative filling funding for scientific study works. Have a listen to the audio file from BBC Radio 4 (below) "Everything we know, is wrong" which discusses the simple truths about $cientific $tudie$ and how utterly worthless they are.

Rule # 1 when evaluating the veracity of scientific studies is that the result must be replicable. What's the fucking point in having this rule when 99% of published findings are accepted at face value without any attempt at replication of the study? More so when it is understood that of the 1% of studies that are replicated, only 33% confirm the findings (66% are fucking lies). Who do you think gets funded to carry out replication studies??... Fucking no one, that's who. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04f9r4k If you want to be ignorant, that's fine. Just don't dispute other peoples opinions by pretending that you have a fucking clue.

[bogan]

You are uninformed idiots. How long after thalidomide is proven to be a fucking unmitigated disaster for the users (and in particular, their children) is a drug company allowed to keep selling it to women to treat morning sickness before idiots like you understand that Pharma is interested only in profit and really couldn't give a shit about the health of people?? The answer is.. that you wouldn't have a fucking clue because you are too ignorant of real facts to be able discern your arse from your elbow (yet insist on debating subjects on which you are completely ignorant). Thalidomide was still being manufactured and sold to pregnant women in third world countries more than twenty years after it was exposed for what it was. It's a fact (google it you dip shits).

Now. Scientific studies and the misplaced trust that you so ignorantly place in them. You only have to look at "Global warming" and the fucking lies that so called cLiemate scientists propagated for nearly two decades, to understand how the narrative filling funding for scientific study works. Have a listen to the audio file from BBC Radio 4 (below) "Everything we know, is wrong" which discusses the simple truths about $cientific $tudie$ and how utterly worthless they are.

Rule # 1 when evaluating the veracity of scientific studies is that the result must be replicable. What's the fucking point in having this rule when 99% of published findings are accepted at face value without any attempt at replication of the study? More so when it is understood that of the 1% of studies that are replicated, only 33% confirm the findings (66% are fucking lies). http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04f9r4k If you want to be ignorant, that's fine. Just don't dispute other peoples opinions by pretending that you have a fucking clue.

A persistent virus, how long will this attempt last? Has previous encounters built up or reduced the immune system?

Regardless of how much you rant and rave about youtubes and headlines being better than studies, tis still the studies that get the job done.

[flyingcrocodile46]

A persistent virus, how long will this attempt last? Has previous encounters built up or reduced the immune system?

Regardless of how much you rant and rave about youtubes and headlines being better than studies, tis still the studies that get the job done.


I have little doubt that you and a box full of chocolate laxative bars would provide entertainment week after week after week

[bogan]

I have little doubt that you and a box full of chocolate laxative bars would provide entertainment week after week after week

Unsurprising you are not full of doubt.

http://assets3.bigthink.com/system/idea_thumbnails/55579/headline/BT_Russell_final.jpg?1403831475

Now if you ever have enough doubts about your theory to find some facts to support it, you make sure to come back and let us know eh!

[Brett]

I just found irrefutable evidence that says that vaccinating your children leads to one being ugly. Ahmed from the pub just told me that his cousins, wifes, sister was vaccinated as a child and as a result is now the ugliest woman alive. DON'T vaccinate your children...they will become ugly and will never be loved or get married by someone. Ahmed said so, so it must be true! Quick, start a Facebook page.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Unsurprising you are not full of doubt.



Now if you ever have enough doubts about your theory to find some facts to support it, you make sure to come back and let us know eh!

The irony is astounding. It's the so called facts that you are clinging to , that I am calling into question. Fuck! I was wrong. You would eat the whole box of laxative bars in the first week.

[bogan]

The irony is astounding. It's the so called facts that you are clinging to , that I am calling into question. Fuck! I was wrong. You would eat the whole box of laxative bars in the first week.

Then you have misread. I have a healthy amount of doubt, what I am not going to do is advocate stopping vaccination based on no evidence whatsoever. That is why I initially asked you for the evidence linking vaccination with 'bad things'TM, since none was forthcoming my doubts remain just that. I am not 100% certain vaccination is a 'great thing'TM but with the information at hand, the only logical conclusion is that is does a lot more good than harm.

[Woodman]

Just don't dispute other peoples opinions by pretending that you have a fucking clue.


:shutup::shutup::shutup::shutup::shutup::shutup::s hutup::shutup:

[flyingcrocodile46]

Then you have misread. I have a healthy amount of doubt, what I am not going to do is advocate stopping vaccination based on no evidence whatsoever. That is why I initially asked you for the evidence linking vaccination with 'bad things'TM, since none was forthcoming my doubts remain just that. I am not 100% certain vaccination is a 'great thing'TM but with the information at hand, the only logical conclusion is that is does a lot more good than harm.

You also have misread me then. Not sure how though, as I have not advocated to stop taking vacines. All I have ever said is to stop and consider (aknowledge) all the risks and make sure there is a genuine risk that is worth (the possible consequences). i.e. if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Similar restraint with antibiotics would likely have delayed the arrival of superbugs for another few decades.

Back to facts about the CDC whistle blower that the MSM are now backing away from stories about. Snopes this, CNN that. blah blah. What about the scientist himself??

These are his lawyers http://www.morganverkamp.com/ They are very real and very highly regarded.

Here is the statement from the horses mouth (one of the four CDC scientists who falsified the scientific data) released through his lawyers (not Snopes or CNN)http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

[bogan]

You also have misread me then. Not sure how though, as I have not advocated to stop taking vacines. All I have ever said is to stop and consider (aknowledge) all the risks and make sure there is a genuine risk that is worth (the possible consequences). i.e. if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Similar restraint with antibiotics would likely have delayed the arrival of superbugs for another few decades.

Back to facts about the CDC whistle blower that the MSM are now backing away from stories about. Snopes this, CNN that. blah blah. What about the scientist himself??

These are his lawyers http://www.morganverkamp.com/ They are very real and very highly regarded.

Here is the statement from the horses mouth (one of the four CDC scientists who falsified the scientific data) released through his lawyers (not Snopes or CNN)http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

Your misreading continues as I clearly said 'what I am not going to do is advocate stopping vaccination' nothing about whether you had advocated such or not. And as I said before, I did stop and consider, yet nothing worth considering came forth; headlines about what some bloke thinks and a youtube vid is up to fuck all. Show me the data, the studies, the journal articles...

[flyingcrocodile46]

Your misreading continues as I clearly said 'what I am not going to do is advocate stopping vaccination' nothing about whether you had advocated such or not. And as I said before, I did stop and consider, yet nothing worth considering came forth; headlines about what some bloke thinks and a youtube vid is up to fuck all. Show me the data, the studies, the journal articles...

What do you want? A hard copy of the original? The relevant excerpts from the documents you want to see are shown in the video. If you need more than that then you will have to get off your arse. If not, don't. I don't care.

[bogan]

What do you want? A hard copy of the original? The relevant excerpts from the documents you want to see are shown in the video. If you need more than that then you will have to get off your arse. If not, don't. I don't care.

No, a pdf copy is fine. If they found the doc to put in a video, it should be just as easy to put in a scanner. The reason I don't go with excerpts, is it becomes very easy to paint whatever picture you like with only parts of a document; showing the whole thing tells the whole story (lets not forget the guy in questions whole issue is that some parts were left out before). Logically it follows that if somebody posts an excerpt without making the rest of the document available, a healthy amount of doubt must be applied to whatever message is attempted to be conveyed. Hence our current impasse whereby you try to convince me the risks of vaccination are real, yet I maintain my doubts about your claims. Science! It works, bitches :Punk:

[flyingcrocodile46]

No, a pdf copy is fine. If they found the doc to put in a video, it should be just as easy to put in a scanner. The reason I don't go with excerpts, is it becomes very easy to paint whatever picture you like with only parts of a document; showing the whole thing tells the whole story (lets not forget the guy in questions whole issue is that some parts were left out before). Logically it follows that if somebody posts an excerpt without making the rest of the document available, a healthy amount of doubt must be applied to whatever message is attempted to be conveyed. Hence our current impasse whereby you try to convince me the risks of vaccination are real, yet I maintain my doubts about your claims. Science! It works, bitches :Punk:

Nice circle jerk, but jizz on your keyboard doesn't take away from the simple fact that one of the four scientists responsible for the CDC sign off on the test data, has very publically stated that the results were fudged and that he has the evidence to prove it (should someone qualified to undertake such investigation) be authorised to do so. Did you need to see any pdf copies of the documents that Snowden "claimed" he stole from the NSA? No! I didn't think so.

[bogan]

Nice circle jerk, but jizz on your keyboard doesn't take away from the simple fact that one of the four scientists responsible for the CDC sign off on the test data, has very publically stated that the results were fudged and that he has the evidence to prove it (should someone qualified to undertake such investigation) be authorised to do so. Did you need to see any pdf copies of the documents that Snowden "claimed" he stole from the NSA? No! I didn't think so.

Good, he'll have no problem showing the evidence then, until it becomes available I'll have a healthy amount of doubt. I mean what else can you expect of me? Take every claim from govt (or is it only the ex-govt ones?) scientists at face value?

I have made no conclusions about the claimed information in Snowden's docs precisely because I haven't seen any copies; so I'm not sure why you didn't think so...

[mashman]

Regardless of how much you rant and rave about youtubes and headlines being better than studies, tis still the studies that get the job done.

It isn't just the studies that get stuff done at all... these things get done by novices too, like the protein folding (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/19/aids-protein-decoded-gamers_n_970113.html) or the kid that solved Newton's 300 year old problem. (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/Teen+solves+Newton+year+riddle/6685617/story.html) and likely many many more. So sad that expert scientists are so entrenched in their work that they can't see the wood for the trees (because they ALL took the wrong path). So no, it ain't just the studies that get the job done.

[Ocean1]

or the kid that solved Newton's 300 year old problem. (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/Teen+solves+Newton+year+riddle/6685617/story.html)

Thought so...

http://tu-dresden.de/die_tu_dresden/fakultaeten/fakultaet_mathematik_und_naturwissenschaften/fachrichtung_mathematik/institute/analysis/chill/dateien/CommentsRay.pdf

Executive summary: "it is a remarkable piece of work for a 16-year old, but the results were basically already known to experts. The newspaper reports were inaccurate."

Having said that, you're right, not all scientific advances are made by accredited scientists, but the point is until results are published and replicated then it's just a theory. And any fuckwit can have a theory.

[bogan]

It isn't just the studies that get stuff done at all... these things get done by novices too, like the protein folding (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/19/aids-protein-decoded-gamers_n_970113.html) or the kid that solved Newton's 300 year old problem. (http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/Teen+solves+Newton+year+riddle/6685617/story.html) and likely many many more. So sad that expert scientists are so entrenched in their work that they can't see the wood for the trees (because they ALL took the wrong path). So no, it ain't just the studies that get the job done.

Sorrynot really to burst your bubble (again), but one the protein folding one—while the work was outsourced to gamers—the results/finding/anything useable was published as an article http://www.nature.com/nsmb/journal/v18/n10/full/nsmb.2119.html

Seems ocean has burst your second one already too

Science, still working since ages ago :2thumbsup

[mashman]

Thought so...

http://tu-dresden.de/die_tu_dresden/fakultaeten/fakultaet_mathematik_und_naturwissenschaften/fachrichtung_mathematik/institute/analysis/chill/dateien/CommentsRay.pdf

Executive summary: "it is a remarkable piece of work for a 16-year old, but the results were basically already known to experts. The newspaper reports were inaccurate."

Having said that, you're right, not all scientific advances are made by accredited scientists, but the point is until results are published and replicated then it's just a theory. And any fuckwit can have a theory.

Smart kid, I stand corrected. (bet they're just covering their arse)

True... I am walkin proof that any fuckwit can have a theory.

[mashman]

Sorrynot really to burst your bubble (again), but one the protein folding one—while the work was outsourced to gamers—the results/finding/anything useable was published as an article http://www.nature.com/nsmb/journal/v18/n10/full/nsmb.2119.html

Seems ocean has burst your second one already too

Science, still working since ages ago :2thumbsup

No bubble here to burst :2thumbsup. It was solved by a member of the public was my point. The game was a stroke of genius mind.

Meh.

I know, but they'll get better.

[jonbuoy]

You are uninformed idiots. How long after thalidomide is proven to be a fucking unmitigated disaster for the users (and in particular, their children) is a drug company allowed to keep selling it to women to treat morning sickness before idiots like you understand that Pharma is interested only in profit and really couldn't give a shit about the health of people?? The answer is.. that you wouldn't have a fucking clue because you are too ignorant of real facts to be able discern your arse from your elbow (yet insist on debating subjects on which you are completely ignorant). Thalidomide was still being manufactured and sold to pregnant women in third world countries more than twenty years after it was exposed for what it was. It's a fact (google it you dip shits).

Now. Scientific studies and the misplaced trust that you so ignorantly place in them. You only have to look at "Global warming" and the fucking lies that so called cLiemate scientists propagated for nearly two decades, to understand how the narrative filling funding for scientific study works. Have a listen to the audio file from BBC Radio 4 (below) "Everything we know, is wrong" which discusses the simple truths about $cientific $tudie$ and how utterly worthless they are.

Rule # 1 when evaluating the veracity of scientific studies is that the result must be replicable. What's the fucking point in having this rule when 99% of published findings are accepted at face value without any attempt at replication of the study? More so when it is understood that of the 1% of studies that are replicated, only 33% confirm the findings (66% are fucking lies). Who do you think gets funded to carry out replication studies??... Fucking no one, that's who. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04f9r4k If you want to be ignorant, that's fine. Just don't dispute other peoples opinions by pretending that you have a fucking clue.

Are you a medical professional?

http://www.thalidomide.ca/recognition-of-thalidomide-defects/

[mada]

Anyone here seen polio? I'm sure all the anti-brigade would love to have to treat people with it and watch the effects.

Sure big pharma try and push their drugs... vaccines though are a completely different friggin matter and go through rigorous testing before they are selected for public use by Ministry of Health.:facepalm:

[Kickaha]

https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10250328_759667184103293_789343130973933647_n.jpg? oh=eafe2437be0b0e189c63e1b9ad540186&oe=547A68BD

[mada]

haha


:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: hahahahah crack up!

[jonbuoy]

Anyone here seen polio? I'm sure all the anti-brigade would love to have to treat people with it and watch the effects.

Sure big pharma try and push their drugs... vaccines though are a completely different friggin matter and go through rigorous testing before they are selected for public use by Ministry of Health.:facepalm:

Thats the kicker - drug companies do want to make money - law suits from releasing drugs with serious side effects is something they don´t want. If someone could come up with an MS, ALS, MN, CF or treat all Cancer "pill" with only mild side effects they could charge whatever they wanted and people (governments) would pay it. Unfortunately thats where the majority of motivation and drive for research comes from - share prices and money. I don´t view drug companies as evil empires but they aren´t charities either. If they weren´t around who would do any research into curing illnesses and disease?

[Akzle]

If they weren´t around who would do any research into curing illnesses and disease?

how many diseases exist outside of white "civilisation"?
srs question.

also, and more importantly: not everyone deserves to be cured., or, in the natural scheme of things should be.

certainly, keeping fat diabetic asthmatic retards alive is noble and shit, pushing the realms of sensibility, but what fucking good are americunts doing the planet?

[avgas]

how many diseases exist outside of white "civilisation"?
srs question.
Quite a few sadly. Average lifespan outside of white civilisation was about 25-30 years (give or take 5 depending on which part of the world you live in, and if you were at war). Thankfully most of the diseases killed you over a long period (20 years) so it was more likely your neighbor killed you before the disease did. So you could live with (pun intended) Cholera/Typhoid/Leprosy.....or the most common rabies for sometime until something else killed you in a few years.

But Smallpox hit Egypt hard. Malaria took out chunks of the Roman empire. Pneumonia existed before cold, basically hit life before man did. TB existed but didn't bother man much until we bred cattle. Trachoma....well look that one up.

Forgot the millions of other stuff that bats/Apes had. But I am sure you can find them too.

But yeah - as mentioned before. Before the white man came - the black/yellow/brown/purple man never lived long enough to find out if they were a carrier or not.......because they had the same problem the white man did. You died before shit got real.

[Woodman]

Vaccination is an obvious conspiracy by the drug companies to keep people living longer so they need even more drugs.

[Akzle]

Vaccination is an obvious conspiracy by the drug companies to keep people living longer so they need even more drugs.

this guy. This guy man!

[Akzle]

Quite a few sadly. Average lifespan outside of white civilisation was about 25-30 years

yeah, but more like nah.
Id love to know where that story came from.
Yes there were high infant-youth-midlife death rates. But higher birth rates and all.
Even in medieval white times, before they invented polio and shit, people lived to 80 and 90, like, frequently.
Mongolese, japponaise, injun, all these cultures feature people over 100 years old, like, regularly.
So yeah, while maybe a mean/median/some other statistical fuckery might indicate a lower 'average' life span in dark history (history being recorded by the victor), being white and over 100 is so fucking special you get a free blowie from liz.

[Ocean1]

Even in medieval white times, before they invented polio and shit, people lived to 80 and 90, like, frequently.
Mongolese, japponaise, injun, all these cultures feature people over 100 years old, like, regularly.
So yeah, while maybe a mean/median/some other statistical fuckery might indicate a lower 'average' life span in dark history (history being recorded by the victor), being white and over 100 is so fucking special you get a free blowie from liz.

Well, as one of the victors an' all I'd just like to say: Horseshit.

And this: 300547 don't even include child mortality.

Axle must try the other pill.

[Akzle]

Well, as one of the victors an' all I'd just like to say: Horseshit.

And this: 300547 don't even include child mortality.

Axle must try the other pill.

yeah, that story, who came up with that?

[Ocean1]

yeah, that story, who came up with that?

Pretty much every civilisation capable of recording history.

You should try reading some.

[idb]

You are uninformed idiots. How long after thalidomide is proven to be a fucking unmitigated disaster for the users (and in particular, their children) is a drug company allowed to keep selling it to women to treat morning sickness before idiots like you understand that Pharma is interested only in profit and really couldn't give a shit about the health of people?? The answer is.. that you wouldn't have a fucking clue because you are too ignorant of real facts to be able discern your arse from your elbow (yet insist on debating subjects on which you are completely ignorant). Thalidomide was still being manufactured and sold to pregnant women in third world countries more than twenty years after it was exposed for what it was. It's a fact (google it you dip shits).

Now. Scientific studies and the misplaced trust that you so ignorantly place in them. You only have to look at "Global warming" and the fucking lies that so called cLiemate scientists propagated for nearly two decades, to understand how the narrative filling funding for scientific study works. Have a listen to the audio file from BBC Radio 4 (below) "Everything we know, is wrong" which discusses the simple truths about $cientific $tudie$ and how utterly worthless they are.

Rule # 1 when evaluating the veracity of scientific studies is that the result must be replicable. What's the fucking point in having this rule when 99% of published findings are accepted at face value without any attempt at replication of the study? More so when it is understood that of the 1% of studies that are replicated, only 33% confirm the findings (66% are fucking lies). Who do you think gets funded to carry out replication studies??... Fucking no one, that's who. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04f9r4k If you want to be ignorant, that's fine. Just don't dispute other peoples opinions by pretending that you have a fucking clue.

Vaccines are not drugs.
You're comparing apples and oranges.
There is no doubt that vaccination works.

Scientific studies are not accepted by the scientific community until they are replicated...despite how they are reported.
No one is going to manufacture a drug based on one report.
The BBC reported stuff is only going to affect industries based on peddling alternative crap and those poor sods that change their lifestyles to account for the latest newspaper headline "scientific studies suggest".

[bogan]

Infographic time!

http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/8/0/8/310808_v1.jpg

And yes that link in the corner is to an article (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056803.htm) with references and whatnot.

[oldrider]

There should be absolutely no dispute that vaccines work ... but what better way to carry something undesirable to the multitudes!

Look about you and consider history and think about it ... what better playground for the dishonest or malicious to practice their evil?

Can you trust everybody on this planet to be upright and trustworthy ... is all of world mainstream medicine trustworthy and responsible?

All one can suggest is "have a care" ... beware of Greeks bearing gifts!

It is "your" life! ... Fear not the vaccination but fear responsibly and assertively... the vaccine! :shifty:

[jonbuoy]

There should be absolutely no dispute that vaccines work ... but what better way to carry something undesirable to the multitudes!

Look about you and consider history and think about it ... what better playground for the dishonest or malicious to practice their evil?

Can you trust everybody on this planet to be upright and trustworthy ... is all of world mainstream medicine trustworthy and responsible?

All one can suggest is "have a care" ... beware of Greeks bearing gifts!

It is "your" life! ... Fear not the vaccination but fear responsibly and assertively... the vaccine! :shifty:

I would fear the disease more than the vaccine. People forget just how bad epidemics can be without mass immunisation so they fear the vaccine more.

[Oakie]

I would fear the disease more than the vaccine. People forget just how bad epidemics can be without mass immunisation so they fear the vaccine more.

World War One 1914 / 1918 killed 16.5 million
Spanish Flu in 1918 / 1919 (H1N1 - as per the current flu vaccine) killed at least 20 million people (estimates differ ... some say 20 to 40 million, others say 50 to 100 million). Regardless, that strain of that flu which is still a current threat (Bird Flu) and we still immunise for today killed millions more than the battlefields of France and Belgium.

'Lest we forget' huh?

[R650R]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/10650629/Vaccine-no-match-for-rogue-flu-strain

[mashman]

Bought. The truth behind vaccines, Big Pharma & Your Food.

It's only free to view until 6 March. (http://boughtmovie.net/free-viewing/thank-you.php?AFFID=NONE)

[Ripperjon]

I got immunised the old fashioned way - by catching everything i could and not dying as a kid.

Im not bothered by needles but i have a healthy mistrust of what might be in em.

Each to their own.

[Oakie]

Blah blah blah.
Already organised dates for my staff's vaccinations this year. Hope to get 45 out of 90 staff signed up this time.

[Akzle]

Blah blah blah.
Already organised dates for my staff's vaccinations this year. Hope to get 45 out of 90 staff signed up this time.

what gullible idiots. Im glad theyre taking your money.

[TheDemonLord]

This old Chestnut....

I actually support those who don't get vaccinated.......




















It means that when the inevitable epidemic happens, we can leave them to die like the stupid fuckwits they are that cling to 30 year old, repeatedly discredited and disproved 'research'

Hopefully we will be allowed to heard them into a Ghetto while they die in Agony.

[oldrider]

Vive La Difference - key word is choice - freedom of the individual - you know like the people that choose to ride motorbikes - :ride:

[awa355]

Bought. The truth behind vaccines, Big Pharma & Your Food.

It's only free to view until 6 March. (http://boughtmovie.net/free-viewing/thank-you.php?AFFID=NONE)

Wait untill TPPA gets voted in, I'll bet these big companies will then start pushing for compulsory vaccinations through legislation.

[bogan]

It means that when the inevitable epidemic happens

An epidemic only made inevitable by fuckwits who refuse vaccinations...

[mashman]

This old Chestnut....

I actually support those who don't get vaccinated.......




















It means that when the inevitable epidemic happens, we can leave them to die like the stupid fuckwits they are that cling to 30 year old, repeatedly discredited and disproved 'research'

Hopefully we will be allowed to heard them into a Ghetto while they die in Agony.

You'll be inoculated... so I fail to see your point, let alone see why those who choose not to run the risk of something fucking with the physiology of their developing child should be treated as lepers.

There is evidence that these vaccines aren't perfect. They come with lots and lots of warnings. Some people have rather nasty reactions and are left seriously damaged for the rest of their lifetime. They are trying to be responsible by inoculating their child, and yet they end up in court for the next X years battling to get a fuckload of money in order to help to pay for the child that the vaccine has damaged. If that child had not have been inoculated, the public wouldn't have been left to cover the bills for the following lifetime. I have the upmost respect for parents who would rather not run the risk of having their child permanently damaged.

[mashman]

Wait untill TPPA gets voted in, I'll bet these big companies will then start pushing for compulsory vaccinations through legislation.

Might tell the kids to become lawyers.

[Ocean1]

I have the upmost respect for parents who would rather not run the risk of having their child permanently damaged.

Me too.

Which is why I have nothing but contempt for those who choose the far higher risk for both their kids and everyone else of refusing a vaccination.

Utter fuckwits, the lot of them.

Almost as profoundly stupid as those who support them, fully aware that it's the wrong choice.

[mashman]

Me too.

Which is why I have nothing but contempt for those who choose the far higher risk for both their kids and everyone else of refusing a vaccination.

Utter fuckwits, the lot of them.

Almost as profoundly stupid as those who support them, fully aware that it's the wrong choice.

Wrong... :killingme

[Hitcher]

I have the upmost respect for parents who would rather not run the risk of having their child permanently damaged.

I don't. They're largely victims of populist nonsense, like the Internet-spawned crap about autism and vaccination. And homoeopathy. And magnetic bed underlays and amber teething apparatus.

With the exception of a very few predictable instances of adverse reactions to a vaccination, in almost all cases the benefits of being protected against heinous diseases vastly outweighs those "risks". If they want to be "protected" by being a minority part of a larger protected population, they should pay something for that privilege.

[oldrider]

I don't. They're largely victims of populist nonsense, like the Internet-spawned crap about autism and vaccination. And homoeopathy. And magnetic bed underlays and amber teething apparatus.

With the exception of a very few predictable instances of adverse reactions to a vaccination, in almost all cases the benefits of being protected against heinous diseases vastly outweighs those "risks". If they want to be "protected" by being a minority part of a larger protected population, they should pay something for that privilege.

So you are all for compulsory mass medication - obviously you have never suffered a bad reaction to any of it - your attitude sucks to me as one who has!

[yokel]

Me too.

Which is why I have nothing but contempt for those who choose the far higher risk for both their kids and everyone else of refusing a vaccination.

Utter fuckwits, the lot of them.

Almost as profoundly stupid as those who support them, fully aware that it's the wrong choice.

your fear and anxiety over other people kids not being vaccinated is most likely going to make your own kids sick and turn out into be neurotic fuckwits like yourself.

[mashman]

I don't. They're largely victims of populist nonsense, like the Internet-spawned crap about autism and vaccination. And homoeopathy. And magnetic bed underlays and amber teething apparatus.

With the exception of a very few predictable instances of adverse reactions to a vaccination, in almost all cases the benefits of being protected against heinous diseases vastly outweighs those "risks". If they want to be "protected" by being a minority part of a larger protected population, they should pay something for that privilege.

Should we shoot the ones that inoculation doesn't work for also?

Do they get a refund if they don't contract any of the diseases that they were supposed to get inoculated for?

[TheDemonLord]

You'll be inoculated... so I fail to see your point, let alone see why those who choose not to run the risk of something fucking with the physiology of their developing child should be treated as lepers.

If exposed to sufficiently high dosage, even someone who is immunised might fall victim - and someone who hasn't been vaccinated or a child who hasn't been vaccinated are pretty much walking biological weapons.


There is evidence that these vaccines aren't perfect. They come with lots and lots of warnings.

Agreed - a healthy bit of skepticism is fine - but citing 30 year old research that has been debunked both by the scientific method AND by exposing the researchers as being paid to find to publish a paper showing a causal link (when there wasn't one) really does wear thin.


Some people have rather nasty reactions and are left seriously damaged for the rest of their lifetime.

Would these very same people be able to survive against a full blown infection against the viruses that they are being vaccinated against? I put to you that if they can't handle the vaccine - they would be the first to drop when exposed to the actual virus.

And let us not forgot the child mortality rates of the diseases that we vaccinate against and the manner in which they die - being covered in sores over all bits of skin (both external AND internal) or coughing so hard that your lungs rupture and you start to drown in your own blood that is filling your lungs....


They are trying to be responsible by inoculating their child, and yet they end up in court for the next X years battling to get a fuckload of money in order to help to pay for the child that the vaccine has damaged. If that child had not have been inoculated, the public wouldn't have been left to cover the bills for the following lifetime. I have the upmost respect for parents who would rather not run the risk of having their child permanently damaged.

Trying, citing crap science/Hippy bullshit masquerading as science - but worst of all, they are potentially capable of infecting other people.

[TheDemonLord]

So you are all for compulsory mass medication - obviously you have never suffered a bad reaction to any of it - your attitude sucks to me as one who has!

yet you are still here are you not?

do you think you would have survived a full blown infection of whatever disease you had a bad reaction to the related vaccine?

[Virago]

So you are all for compulsory mass medication - obviously you have never suffered a bad reaction to any of it - your attitude sucks to me as one who has!

I think Hitcher has a valid point. Those who decide against vaccination are relying on those who do get vaccinated to prevent mass outbreak and spread of vicious diseases. That reliance is, by its very nature, parasitic.

It's not advocating compulsory mass medication. But with choice comes responsibility. Choices made on the basis of discredited hysteria should stand to be scrutinized.

[Ocean1]

your fear and anxiety over other people kids not being vaccinated is most likely going to make your own kids sick and turn out into be neurotic fuckwits like yourself.

I'm not worried about other people not vaccinating their kids. As long as they get the fuck out of my town and stay out. That way my kids don't get sick.

Unlike a fairly large slice of the world's population before immunisation was possible. Before smallpox vaccine was available it was responsible for the deaths of 10% of all Londoners.

Compared to that sort of attrition rate the preferences of some ignorant fuckwit who doesn't want what's genuinely best for their kids is of absolutely no consequence whatsoever.

Know how many Londoners died of smallpox last year? How many humans? Of course you don't, or you wouldn't advertise your complete ignorance of the facts.

Which are here: http://ourworldindata.org/data/health/eradication-of-diseases/#deaths-from-smallpox-per-1000-deaths-from-all-causes-in-london-from-1629-to-1900-fenner-henderson-arita-jezek-and-ladnyi-1988ref

If you have the slightest interest in finding them.

[Virago]

yet you are still here are you not?

do you think you would have survived a full blown infection of whatever disease you had a bad reaction to the related vaccine?

Yep.

It always amuses me the number of people who now refuse the 'flu vaccine, because "it gave me the 'flu." Bullshit. You caught a common cold, or "Kiwi Flu". The real 'flu is something else altogether.

[oldrider]

yet you are still here are you not?

do you think you would have survived a full blown infection of whatever disease you had a bad reaction to the related vaccine?

I don't disbelieve theory of vaccination - I don't get a reaction to the disease in question - it is the crap that they use in the vaccine!

That is the biggest problem with the whole program - everybody is not exactly the same - so one size does not fit all - you have been fooled. :yes:

[Ocean1]

I don't disbelieve theory of vaccination - I don't get a reaction to the disease in question - it is the crap that they use in the vaccine!

That is the biggest problem with the whole program - everybody is not exactly the same - so one size does not fit all - you have been fooled. :yes:

No, John but the same size does fit 99.9%.

Which is enough to protect everyone.

It's the extra few % that think, wrongly that the risk of inoculation is greater than the risk of disease that fuck it up for everyone. And their descendants, forevermore.

[TheDemonLord]

I don't disbelieve theory of vaccination - I don't get a reaction to the disease in question - it is the crap that they use in the vaccine!

That is the biggest problem with the whole program - everybody is not exactly the same - so one size does not fit all - you have been fooled. :yes:

But again - you are still here - you didn't die from one of the many diseases that have been eradicated in western civilization that at the turn of 1900's used to kill millions.

and we are talking diseases with 30% + mortality rates, compared to say Spanish flu that had a mortality rate of 3% and Swine flu/Avian Flu have rates of 0.1%

And without sounding condescending - whatever reaction you have had - it hasn't stopped you from say - riding a Motorbike or living to an old age, so it can't have been as bad as the alternative (which would death)

[Hitcher]

So you are all for compulsory mass medication - obviously you have never suffered a bad reaction to any of it - your attitude sucks to me as one who has!

How many people suffer from "bad reactions" to mass medication?

I am a supporter of human health and well-being measures that are supported by sound science.

I believe that society should have suitable measures to ensure that those who knowingly place the health and well-being of themselves and others at risk should be held accountable for their decisions.

[Hitcher]

Should we shoot the ones that inoculation doesn't work for also?

Do they get a refund if they don't contract any of the diseases that they were supposed to get inoculated for?

It's their call about risk of vaccination versus the risk of being infected by those diseases. People have forgotten about polio and smallpox, largely eradicated by vaccination, which once ruined the lives of millions. However various strains of measles and whooping cough (entirely manageable by vaccination) have come galloping back.

[oldrider]

No, John but the same size does fit 99.9%.

Which is enough to protect everyone.

It's the extra few % that think, wrongly that the risk of inoculation is greater than the risk of disease that fuck it up for everyone. And their descendants, forevermore.

Yeah but compulsory mass medication fucks it up for me and mine - pro choice and cautionary testing - not obligatory!

Compulsory childhood vaccination loaded the gun and then when I got Smallpox vaccination they fucked it up and bang the gun went off!

Like victims of crime in this country - it doesn't effect you so you don't really care too much!

Go and have a look in the IHC workshops and see all the medical fuck ups there really are! :brick:

[Hitcher]

Interestingly, it is often the same people opposed to vaccinations who want peanuts banned from primary schools.

[Hitcher]

Go and have a look in the IHC workshops and see all the medical fuck ups there really are!

I would like to see some credible evidence for such an emotional assertion.

[oldrider]

I would like to see some credible evidence for such an emotional assertion.

Like I said: Go and have a look for your self!

[yokel]

a child who hasn't been vaccinated are pretty much walking biological weapon

If that is the mind set of someone that is all for vaccines? no way would I want to associate with that.


I'm not worried about other people not vaccinating their kids. As long as they get the fuck out of my town and stay out. That way my kids don't get sick.

Unlike a fairly large slice of the world's population before immunisation was possible. Before smallpox vaccine was available it was responsible for the deaths of 10% of all Londoners.

Compared to that sort of attrition rate the preferences of some ignorant fuckwit who doesn't want what's genuinely best for their kids is of absolutely no consequence whatsoever.

Know how many Londoners died of smallpox last year? How many humans? Of course you don't, or you wouldn't advertise your complete ignorance of the facts.

Which are here: http://ourworldindata.org/data/health/eradication-of-diseases/#deaths-from-smallpox-per-1000-deaths-from-all-causes-in-london-from-1629-to-1900-fenner-henderson-arita-jezek-and-ladnyi-1988ref

If you have the slightest interest in finding them.

It's not the 1800's any more, things have change a lot since then.

I dont trust the government eg TPPA and the drug companies and the integrity of their research.
money corrupts, and there is far too much money tied up in the medical industry.
all research cost money, this is a problem.
also I'm dead against babies or infants being put into daycares with random people/kids,
separating babies from their mothers and putting them in to foreign environments is a shit idea.


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[mashman]

If exposed to sufficiently high dosage, even someone who is immunised might fall victim - and someone who hasn't been vaccinated or a child who hasn't been vaccinated are pretty much walking biological weapons.

Agreed - a healthy bit of skepticism is fine - but citing 30 year old research that has been debunked both by the scientific method AND by exposing the researchers as being paid to find to publish a paper showing a causal link (when there wasn't one) really does wear thin.

Would these very same people be able to survive against a full blown infection against the viruses that they are being vaccinated against? I put to you that if they can't handle the vaccine - they would be the first to drop when exposed to the actual virus.

And let us not forgot the child mortality rates of the diseases that we vaccinate against and the manner in which they die - being covered in sores over all bits of skin (both external AND internal) or coughing so hard that your lungs rupture and you start to drown in your own blood that is filling your lungs....

Trying, citing crap science/Hippy bullshit masquerading as science - but worst of all, they are potentially capable of infecting other people.

You start with the hypothesis of, If. There are no guarantees. There are people, sure they're a tiny percentage, but they're still people, who have theirs lives changed with 24 hours of being inoculated along with their family's lives. Denying that there is no causality is plain ignorant... yet that's exactly what happens and it takes a court battle of many years to settle things. Nuts.

Tin foil hats needed to discuss why, despite there being an observable link, no "physical" evidence has been found. Smoke, fire, tin foil.

If we want rid of the viruses, then cease all vaccination. The weak will die and the disease will be eradicated once and for all? If you're inoculated then you have nothing to worry about, right?

[mashman]

It's their call about risk of vaccination versus the risk of being infected by those diseases. People have forgotten about polio and smallpox, largely eradicated by vaccination, which once ruined the lives of millions. However various strains of measles and whooping cough (entirely manageable by vaccination) have come galloping back.

Oh I dunno, I think people do understand that certain diseases have been all but stopped in their tracks by vaccination, but for whatever reasons, they don't fancy jamming chemicals and viruses into their kids... I can only assume one of the main reasons being due to millions and millions also surviving without inoculation (natural her immunity?). In fact everything seems to have survived for quite a long time without vaccination. Evolution is a beautiful thing.

[TheDemonLord]

You start with the hypothesis of, If. There are no guarantees. There are people, sure they're a tiny percentage, but they're still people, who have theirs lives changed with 24 hours of being inoculated along with their family's lives. Denying that there is no causality is plain ignorant... yet that's exactly what happens and it takes a court battle of many years to settle things. Nuts.

Tin foil hats needed to discuss why, despite there being an observable link, no "physical" evidence has been found. Smoke, fire, tin foil.

If we want rid of the viruses, then cease all vaccination. The weak will die and the disease will be eradicated once and for all? If you're inoculated then you have nothing to worry about, right?

We didn't have vaccination for about the first 100,000 years of human evolution - and yet we still died en masse from Viruses, within 100 years of discovering vaccinations, we wiped out Small pox (which was killing millions a year globally) - I think that evidence alone weighs heavily in my favour.

If the price to pay for that is a few people have adverse reactions for a few days and even fewer have severe complications and maybe one or 2 unfortunate souls die - when you weight that against the Millions that did die on a yearly basis - yes I pay the price gladly - sleeping well on the fact that the few who die due to the vaccine would have died anyway when exposed to the real virus.

as for no Causality - if you are talking about Autism - yes, there is NO causality - that research has been debunked both scientifically and ethically.

[Virago]

...Go and have a look in the IHC workshops and see all the medical fuck ups there really are! :brick:


I would like to see some credible evidence for such an emotional assertion.


Like I said: Go and have a look for your self!

As it happens, I was in an IHC workshop the week before last, so I have had a look for myself. And yes, it was full of intellectually handicapped people.

But I did not see anything to suggest or confirm that their condition was the result of "medical fuck ups". Can you provide credible evidence for your assertion?

[Kickaha]

Interestingly, it is often the same people opposed to vaccinations who want peanuts banned from primary schools.
Studies show exposure to peanuts as a baby lessens the chances of developing the allergy

[Akzle]

As it happens, I was in an IHC workshop the week before last, so I have had a look for myself. And yes, it was full of intellectually handicapped people.


and they let you out???

[James Deuce]

If you're anti-vax, you are both anti-science and a fuckwit. I've given up bothering to try and explain the issues around not vaccinating. You're the sort of people who think all "chemicals" should be removed from food, but still drink water and no matter how many times it's explained still think the propylene glycol is anti-freeze and azodicarbonamide is a yoga mat.

The autism link has been discredited over and over and it still has traction because: fuckwits.

Millions of people have been saved from HORRIBLE death or a miserable existence due to the MMR vaccine to say nothing of polio or whooping cough. There's no thimerisol in vaccines any more and the type of mercury in thimerisol was metabolised. Unlike the shit you get from any fish you eat now. The number of people who die from vaccination related reactions is so small as to be within the margins of statistical error.

Anti-vaxxers want people to die. Go join ISIL/ISIS/IDONEIT or whatever it's called this week and get on with it. You're as rational as those misguided souls, so you should make excellent bedfellows.

[oldrider]

No use talking to any cunt on this thread then everyone seems to be one of a set of the three monkeys! :shutup:

[bogan]

No use talking to any cunt on this thread then everyone seems to be one of a set of the three monkeys! :shutup:

Or the 4th option, there is no evil, no conspiracy; just science benefiting mankind. You're welcome.

[Ocean1]

It's not the 1800's any more, things have change a lot since then.

Yes, vaccinations have prevented the deaths of millions. You didn't bother with the facts I see.


Oh I dunno, I think people do understand that certain diseases have been all but stopped in their tracks by vaccination, but for whatever reasons, they don't fancy jamming chemicals and viruses into their kids.

If they understand the reason human life expectancy has doubled in the last century or so but choose to risk reversing that trend for their kid and every other human on the planet including their descendants then they're idiots that need removing from the gene pool.

[James Deuce]

Like I said: Go and have a look for your self!

I have. I live it daily.

Just to clear up one misconception. IHC do nothing for disabled kids anymore. They are first and foremost a policy group and secondly they administrate respite and long-term care facilities for aged disabled people.

The biggest users of early intervention centres are birth hypoxia fuckups from the return of home births and midwife centred birth management. Closely followed by chromosomal disorders of which about 50% are due to environmental teratogens.

My wife is a paediatric nurse. In 25 years of nursing, the biggest group of children affected by man-made environmental factors were/are French Polynesian children born with an imperforate anus, a documented side-effect of being exposed to high levels of gamma radiation during pregnancy. Atmospheric Nuclear testing FTW. Contained (not) underground nuclear testing FTW.

When she worked at Princess Margaret before it became Starship, there were dozens of children per year, sent to NZ for remedial surgery. She has dealt with, on average one vaccination related reaction case that has caused significant disability per year, in Masterton, Auckland, and Lower Hutt. None of the parents she's dealt with became rabid anti-vaxxers as a result, so why do people who've NEVER been affected by it continue to spread the myth that it's a massive problem?

Because: fuckwits.

[Edbear]

Interestingly, it is often the same people opposed to vaccinations who want peanuts banned from primary schools.

One of my grandsons is deadly allergic to peanuts while his brother can eat anything. The Doc doesn't have a reason why two children from the same parents in the same environment would be opposites in allergies. The one with the peanut allergy has a lot of other allergies as well, whereas his brother has none at all.

The fact that the peanut allergy is fatal is why the big noise about it.

[Edbear]

PS. I am pro vaccinations by the way.

[Paul in NZ]

On an issue like this - no one in the general populace has got the time or the resources to instigate a proper research programme to come to some kind of answer or opinion based on fact. Even if you have the raw data you are still forced to rely on someone else to correctly record or present that data. Very few of us have much real world observational experience (Jim2's wife excepted) with the numbers sufficient to come to a statistically relevant answer. In short we rely on the advice/research/opinion of others that resonates with some kind of fundamental ideal with very little way to verify that its correct.

In this way the question of vaccination is similar to a religious one. ie since we cannot argue over valid empirical evidence we can see with our own eyes its effectively a belief taken on trust. Indeed in my limited experience it is also a belief that tends to come as a subset of a bunch of other fundamental ideas about the way we live our lives. Groups who take one set of beliefs (lets just say for example) like alternative education tend by nature to follow other non mainstream beliefs.

Because these ideas are core to their way of living its almost impossible to argue them objectively. Once one of the foundation blocks gets lost the whole pack of cards tends to fall down and a whole way of life becomes exposed as a lie so its even harder to convince someone that they may be incorrect on one issue.

In the end - this thread is useless - you will never convince anyone they are wrong about this issue.

My opinion is that vaccination is a good thing because I was vaccinated and I have not died of a hideous disease yet. Yes - there do seem to be more problems in society like the various people with issues on the autism spectrum BUT there are so many other variations in the ways we all live that I would find it a pretty long bow to draw to ascribe this to vaccination. Alcohol is more freely available and more consumed, recreational drug use is more common and the world is vastly more connected than ever (ie people travel more). I have no fear of chemicals as when you come to it, everything is a chemical in its composition. I have no fear of advances in medicine as 100 years ago - I would be 100% DEAD without insulin....

[James Deuce]

I have no fear of advances in medicine as 100 years ago - I would be 100% DEAD without insulin....

You and between 70-80% of everyone on this forum and 50% of their mothers.

There's plenty of empirical evidence that vaccination works and it is freely available. The main issue is that science is taught so poorly that people equate the adoption of new methods and the discreditation of previous methods as a "fail". Science is more about "Oops I was wrong" than it is about presenting an absolute "fact". Religion on the other hand...

This has been allowed to turn into a fundamental lack of trust in science and the scientific method, because people equate the easy access to information as knowledge, without having the personal tools to dig below the surface argument of raving fuckwits like the "Food Babe". Or dickheads who present fake studies based on a control group of whom 75% have the potential to be on the Autism spectrum in the first place.

[mashman]

We didn't have vaccination for about the first 100,000 years of human evolution - and yet we still died en masse from Viruses, within 100 years of discovering vaccinations, we wiped out Small pox (which was killing millions a year globally) - I think that evidence alone weighs heavily in my favour.

If the price to pay for that is a few people have adverse reactions for a few days and even fewer have severe complications and maybe one or 2 unfortunate souls die - when you weight that against the Millions that did die on a yearly basis - yes I pay the price gladly - sleeping well on the fact that the few who die due to the vaccine would have died anyway when exposed to the real virus.

as for no Causality - if you are talking about Autism - yes, there is NO causality - that research has been debunked both scientifically and ethically.

The evidence is heavily in the favour of vaccination. That there is a lack of evidence regarding causality, likely rendered moot by labeling boxes with side-effects, that lack of evidence concerns me given that there are direct observations of causality.

Ok, so we're going to stop sugar, fatty foods, riding, driving, getting out of bed etc... but yeah, for the greater good is an argument that you can't really rail against, but it shouldn't be used to force vaccination on those who don't want it.. let alone the vilification that such a stance attracts.

So how do you explain the direct observations of those who witness their children changing not long after a vaccination? Bad luck?

[mashman]

If they understand the reason human life expectancy has doubled in the last century or so but choose to risk reversing that trend for their kid and every other human on the planet including their descendants then they're idiots that need removing from the gene pool.

And that's all down to vaccination eh?

[Ocean1]

And that's all down to vaccination eh?

What do you think?
http://ourworldindata.org/data/health/eradication-of-diseases/#deaths-from-smallpox-per-1000-deaths-from-all-causes-in-london-from-1629-to-1900-fenner-henderson-arita-jezek-and-ladnyi-1988ref

[Ocean1]

The evidence is heavily in the favour of vaccination. That there is a lack of evidence regarding causality, likely rendered moot by labeling boxes with side-effects, that lack of evidence concerns me given that there are direct observations of causality.

Ok, so we're going to stop sugar, fatty foods, riding, driving, getting out of bed etc... but yeah, for the greater good is an argument that you can't really rail against, but it shouldn't be used to force vaccination on those who don't want it.. let alone the vilification that such a stance attracts.

So how do you explain the direct observations of those who witness their children changing not long after a vaccination? Bad luck?

There is no lack of evidence re cause in vaccines whatsoever: they save hundreds of thousands of lives every year.

What the fuck has a list of completely unrelated factors to do with vaccination?

Probably the same way pretty much every health professional does: it's the age kids change fastest, why not blame changes on the icecream they had the week before?

[James Deuce]

So how do you explain the direct observations of those who witness their children changing not long after a vaccination? Bad luck?

How do you explain the parents who are willing to potentially kill my most at risk child because they won't vaccinate their kids? But it's OK because he's "only" a retard, eh?

DS people run nearly leukaemic for much of their lives. He was too neutropenic to vaccinate for MMR and we were advised to avoid it until his white cell count was higher. Then I find that at least 30% of educated middle class fuckwits are quite happy to expose someone with a suppressed immune system to easily preventable childhood diseases that would most likely kill him.

And because he's a "retard" and an "economic drain and classroom distraction" most of the selfish fuckwits would be happy with that outcome. Some of them would say that to our face. Many complain that there's "too much" focus on him in the first place. Not my fault mainstreaming is policy and the much-vaunted "IHC centres" no longer exist. I'd much rather he didn't have to interface with the children of murderous idiots. He has a separate funding stream anyway.

I hate people. Especially middle class ones with access to the Internet. Which describes most motorcyclists.

[Paul in NZ]

And that's all down to vaccination eh?

Its definitely a brick in that wall...

You should visit a really old cemetery and read the headstones... That while knowing that only those wealthy enough and religious enough are buried there. The numbers of really young are quite staggering.

Humanity regularly makes some major fuck ups. In general this isn't one of them...

[mashman]

What do you think?
http://ourworldindata.org/data/health/eradication-of-diseases/#deaths-from-smallpox-per-1000-deaths-from-all-causes-in-london-from-1629-to-1900-fenner-henderson-arita-jezek-and-ladnyi-1988ref

Very pretty graphs.

[mashman]

There is no lack of evidence re cause in vaccines whatsoever: they save hundreds of thousands of lives every year.

What the fuck has a list of completely unrelated factors to do with vaccination?

Probably the same way pretty much every health professional does: it's the age kids change fastest, why not blame changes on the icecream they had the week before?

I'm sure they do.

Those factors aren't unrelated in my book... they all trigger a physiological response.

Why not blame the environment under which the kids grow? When someone says that within 24 hours of their child's inoculation that that child has changed beyoind recognition and irreparably, I tend to accept that it wasn't the ice-cream from the week before... although as no-one takes the trouble to check the kids blood before inoculation it's hardly surprising that we end up with broken people.

[mashman]

How do you explain the parents who are willing to potentially kill my most at risk child because they won't vaccinate their kids? But it's OK because he's "only" a retard, eh?

DS people run nearly leukaemic for much of their lives. He was too neutropenic to vaccinate for MMR and we were advised to avoid it until his white cell count was higher. Then I find that at least 30% of educated middle class fuckwits are quite happy to expose someone with a suppressed immune system to easily preventable childhood diseases that would most likely kill him.

And because he's a "retard" and an "economic drain and classroom distraction" most of the selfish fuckwits would be happy with that outcome. Some of them would say that to our face. Many complain that there's "too much" focus on him in the first place. Not my fault mainstreaming is policy and the much-vaunted "IHC centres" no longer exist. I'd much rather he didn't have to interface with the children of murderous idiots. He has a separate funding stream anyway.

I hate people. Especially middle class ones with access to the Internet. Which describes most motorcyclists.

They use the condition of your child as an excuse not to? Either way, your child is not their concern.

Unfortunately it's up to you to protect your child in the best way you see fit in such circumstances... same goes for everyone else and their own kids.

[Paul in NZ]

They use the condition of your child as an excuse not to? Either way, your child is not their concern.

Unfortunately it's up to you to protect your child in the best way you see fit in such circumstances... same goes for everyone else and their own kids.

Exactly so we should take anyone who gets sick with a preventable condition that didn't get vaccinated for and throw them into internment camp. Their illness is not my concern...

[mashman]

Its definitely a brick in that wall...

You should visit a really old cemetery and read the headstones... That while knowing that only those wealthy enough and religious enough are buried there. The numbers of really young are quite staggering.

Humanity regularly makes some major fuck ups. In general this isn't one of them...

Yup, vaccination generally isn't accepted as a fuckup... however there are vaccination fuckups.



Exactly so we should take anyone who gets sick with a preventable condition that didn't get vaccinated for and throw them into internment camp. Their illness is not my concern...

In which case, as I've said before, remove all vaccinations and let mother nature do her job. I'm kind of against punishment for non-compliance type issues.

[Oscar]

As it happens, I was in an IHC workshop the week before last, so I have had a look for myself. And yes, it was full of intellectually handicapped people.

But I did not see anything to suggest or confirm that their condition was the result of "medical fuck ups". Can you provide credible evidence for your assertion?

He's a dribbling old fuckwit who never backs up anything.

[Ocean1]

Very pretty graphs.

And if you looked at them with any intelligence they'd tell you that the largest contribution to human lifespan increases is immunisation. Which means your argument is bullshit.

[Ocean1]

They use the condition of your child as an excuse not to? Either way, your child is not their concern.

Unfortunately it's up to you to protect your child in the best way you see fit in such circumstances... same goes for everyone else and their own kids.

And the very best way for him to do that is to kill as many unvaccinated kids as possible before they kill his.

Which, by your reasoning is perfectly acceptable.

[Oscar]

Exactly so we should take anyone who gets sick with a preventable condition that didn't get vaccinated for and throw them into internment camp. Their illness is not my concern...

Actually it's probably the parents that should go into a camp.

One for the idiots who don't care or can't be bothered and a particularly nasty one for the fuckwits who just think they know better and/or are prepared to bank on the herd immunity.

[Oscar]

And if you looked at them with any intelligence they'd tell you that the largest contribution to human lifespan increases is immunisation. Which means your argument is bullshit.

The problem is that there IS a slight direct risk to health from immunisation.
I knew that when I immunised my kids, but I figured it is nowhere near the risk to health posed by these diseases in an unimmunised population.
The problem lies with these idiots avoiding that slight risk by banking on everyone elase taking the risk and immunising their kids.

[mashman]

And if you looked at them with any intelligence they'd tell you that the largest contribution to human lifespan increases is immunisation. Which means your argument is bullshit.

Oh, so people who used to live to over 100 years in age without a vaccinated population around them was just a fluke. Whew, I wondered how that worked, thanks for clearing it up.


And the very best way for him to do that is to kill as many unvaccinated kids as possible before they kill his.

Which, by your reasoning is perfectly acceptable.

You don't understand my reasoning.

[Ocean1]

The problem is that there IS a slight direct risk to health from immunisation.
I knew that when I immunised my kids, but I figured it is nowhere near the risk to health posed by these diseases in an unimmunised population.
The problem lies with these idiots avoiding that slight risk by banking on everyone elase taking the risk and immunising their kids.

Correct. The consequences of which is diseases which should be extinct continuing to kill humans indefinitely.

To correctly balance the risk equation they need to take into consideration not just thousands of potential deaths for this generation but the billions of future generations.

Maybe we offer inoculation plus exposure to the disease or just exposure to the disease. Think that'd improve the comprehension of the situation?

[Ocean1]

Oh, so people who used to live to over 100 years in age without a vaccinated population around them was just a fluke. Whew, I wondered how that worked, thanks for clearing it up.



You don't understand my reasoning.

With that single comment you prove that you don't understad it either.

[mashman]

With that single comment you prove that you don't understad it either.

Awesome position to take given that you didn't get the answer you wanted.

[Oscar]

Oh, so people who used to live to over 100 years in age without a vaccinated population around them was just a fluke. Whew, I wondered how that worked, thanks for clearing it up.



.



Damn right.
A statistical fluke – you just have to look at the average lifespan pre-immunization.
There has to be some natural immunity in the population otherwise the diseases would have a 100% mortality rate.

[mashman]

Damn right.
A statistical fluke – you just have to look at the average lifespan pre-immunization.
There has to be some natural immunity in the population otherwise the diseases would have a 100% mortality rate.

Natural immunity? Why vaccinate then? as surely the survivors are already immune?

[James Deuce]

They use the condition of your child as an excuse not to? Either way, your child is not their concern.

Unfortunately it's up to you to protect your child in the best way you see fit in such circumstances... same goes for everyone else and their own kids.

You didn't read that at all. Herd immunity presupposes a vaccinated population. Those who cannot be vaccinated for sound medical reasons rely on herd immunity. It does not exist in NZ due to the roughly 30% of middle class fuckwits who don't vaccinate their kids. So they put those kids at risk deliberately. Yes, protecting my kid is their problem. So is me protecting your kid.

So despite all your waffle, you don't support social responsibility? My kid should be exposed to what is, quite frankly, an unacceptable risk profile because I can't protect him because others won't do the right thing. That is a shitty attitude, but to be expected from most people.

[James Deuce]

Natural immunity? Why vaccinate then? as surely the survivors are already immune?

Do you miss the point deliberately, or is it a specially developed skill?

[Oscar]

Natural immunity? Why vaccinate then? as surely the survivors are already immune?

Yep, adaptive and passive immunity will keep a few alive.
In the meantime you get to hold your kids as they die.

[mashman]

You didn't read that at all. Herd immunity presupposes a vaccinated population. Those who cannot be vaccinated for sound medical reasons rely on herd immunity. It does not exist in NZ due to the roughly 30% of middle class fuckwits who don't vaccinate their kids. So they put those kids at risk deliberately. Yes, protecting my kid is their problem. So is me protecting your kid.

So despite all your waffle, you don't support social responsibility? My kid should be exposed to what is, quite frankly, an unacceptable risk profile because I can't protect him because others won't do the right thing. That is a shitty attitude, but to be expected from most people.

I did read it. After a giant cull of influenza, for instance, the population that is left must have been immune. Therefore you have, by default, herd immunity.

Oh come on, I'm advocating for the right of an individual to take whatever steps they deem necessary for their children. If that's vaccination, great... if not, then great.

I do not believe that mankind is doing all that is possible to limit the danger of some of these vaccines on the basis that they'd rather break a few eggs, coz it's too expensive to go that extra mile. I don't call that social responsibility either, but hey.

[mashman]

Do you miss the point deliberately, or is it a specially developed skill?

Sorry, what point did I miss that you wanted me to address? Perhaps you can write my answer out for me and I'll post it to avoid confusion eh?


Yep, adaptive and passive immunity will keep a few alive.
In the meantime you get to hold your kids as they die.

A few? I thought the vast majority of the people that were surrounded by the spanish flu survived?

[TheDemonLord]

Sorry, what point did I miss that you wanted me to address? Perhaps you can write my answer out for me and I'll post it to avoid confusion eh?



A few? I thought the vast majority of the people that were surrounded by the spanish flu survived?

The problem with Flu is that unlike other Viruses with higher mortality rates, it is very very transmittable, so yes only 2.5% died of Spanish flu, but I believe over 500 Million where infected....

[Oscar]

Sorry, what point did I miss that you wanted me to address? Perhaps you can write my answer out for me and I'll post it to avoid confusion eh?



A few? I thought the vast majority of the people that were surrounded by the spanish flu survived?

"..current estimates say 50–100 million people worldwide were killed"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic

This represented 3% - 6% of global population.
The infection rate was made worse by soldiers returning from the Great War.
Can you imagine what a strain like that would do now?

[Paul in NZ]

Do you miss the point deliberately, or is it a specially developed skill?

He hasn't been immunised against it

[mashman]

"..current estimates say 50–100 million people worldwide were killed"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic

This represented 3% - 6% of global population.
The infection rate was made worse by soldiers returning from the Great War.
Can you imagine what a strain like that would do now?

I can imagine what a strain like that would do now. It would likely kill 3% - 6% of the population. Seems that we've survived similar.


He hasn't been immunised against it

lol... nor would I want to be, given the evidence for like ;)

[Ocean1]

He hasn't been immunised against it

Special circumstances. Whining pommy cunts represent a pathogen in their own right.

There is an innoculant, but some choose not to apply it.

[Oscar]

I can imagine what a strain like that would do now. It would likely kill 3% - 6% of the population. Seems that we've survived similar.





It didn't kill 3% to 6% of the population it touched, it killed that portion of the global population.
If everything was equal, it would kill a higher proportion just due to increased global travel.

[Oscar]

Special circumstances. Whining pommy cunts represent a pathogen in their own right.

There is an innoculant, but some choose not to apply it.

Hey!
I'm a pommy cunt!

[Akzle]

As it happens, I was in an IHC workshop the week before last, so I have had a look for myself. And yes, it was full of intellectually handicapped people.


and they let you out???

[mashman]

It didn't kill 3% to 6% of the population it touched, it killed that portion of the global population.
If everything was equal, it would kill a higher proportion just due to increased global travel.

Yes, that's what I said.
Quite possibly true.

[Oscar]

Yes, that's what I said.
Quite possibly true.

It's not what you said.
Make up your mind.

[Akzle]

fuken ell. Humans arent worth saving.

[Oscar]

fuken ell. Humans arent worth saving.

So you don't consider yourself one of us?

[mashman]

It's not what you said.
Make up your mind.

Yes it is... take my word for it.

[Oscar]

Yes it is... take my word for it.

I wouldn't take your word for much.

[Virago]

and they let you out???


and they let you out???

Yes. Funnily enough, some of the most mentally disabled occupants repeated themselves over and over too.

[Oscar]

Yes. Funnily enough, some of the most mentally disabled occupants repeated themselves over and over too.

In his case the problem is obvious to anyone reading his posts here.
The fact that he is showing clinical symptoms is merely confirmation of his mental condition.

[mashman]

I wouldn't take your word for much.

It has its days.

[yokel]

Yep, adaptive and passive immunity will keep a few alive.
In the meantime you get to hold your kids as they die.

haha talk about melodramatic,



Yes, vaccinations have prevented the deaths of millions. You didn't bother with the facts I see.



If they understand the reason human life expectancy has doubled in the last century or so but choose to risk reversing that trend for their kid and every other human on the planet including their descendants then they're idiots that need removing from the gene pool.

yes vaccines most likely do work, but that is no reason to just keep using them willy nilly like say antibiotics, you know the way doctors hand out antibiotics like candy, it's almost like they want them to lose their effectiveness?

we are fucking with the immune system and there fore nature, it will lead to weakness in the immune system.

I do not trust the medical profession, when they come out and say things like that getting cancer comes down to bad luck?? all because their efforts to detect it earlier with things like mammograms has pretty much fallen on its arse.
or when a doctor on some TV doco says getting cancer is just the price for being human.
I can not respect anything they have to say with an attitude like that. fuck the cunts

http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/rar/trust.jpg

[TheDemonLord]

yes vaccines most likely do work, but that is no reason to just keep using them willy nilly like say antibiotics, you know the way doctors hand out antibiotics like candy, it's almost like they want them to lose their effectiveness?

Okay

This explains alot.

It is clear that you have no fucking clue as to how and why Vaccines work.

I would explain, but given the vomit inducing diatribes you put forward - I can't be fucked. You are wrong. You are wrong about Doctors. You are wrong about antibiotics. You are wrong on the Mechanics of why Antibiotics aren't as effective as they once were (it has more to do with the patient, less to do with the Doctors). And you are wrong about everything else.

Feel free to go do some reading about the difference between how a Vaccine works, How Antibiotics work and the differences between a Virus and Bacteria.

[Edbear]

Notable is that the pro vaccination group is arguing with the conspiracy theorist group. :confused:

Also notable, as with other thread topics, the anti's poo poo anyone who has done serious research and are firmly convinced they are right despite not doing any at all.

I always do due diligence on serious matters before making a decision and the overwhelming evidence is for vaccination. As a poster mentioned, the recorded evidence of serious adverse reactions falls within the margin of error for the studies.

As an example of more recent research changing over time, is to do with HRT. The anti group goes way overboard to trumpet the risk of developing breast cancer but now the research says that while it may possibly lead to a slight increase in risk for a few, modern studies show that it may reduce the risk of developing Ovarian cancer.

As usual, the risk factors are very small regarding serious side effects but anti vaccination people will jump on any adverse effects claiming the risk is too much.

Vaccination has been around plenty long enough to prove its efficacy.

[Akzle]

You are wrong on the Mechanics of why Antibiotics aren't as effective as they once were (it has more to do with the patient, less to do with the Doctors).

oh go on. please stand up and tell the class how it's the patient's fault that antibiotics are less effective.

dont forget to mention pathogens with developed resistance (that's science, or some shit) and how that's apparently wrong. because it's the patients' fault.

[yokel]

Okay

This explains alot.

It is clear that you have no fucking clue as to how and why Vaccines work.

I would explain, but given the vomit inducing diatribes you put forward - I can't be fucked. You are wrong. You are wrong about Doctors. You are wrong about antibiotics. You are wrong on the Mechanics of why Antibiotics aren't as effective as they once were (it has more to do with the patient, less to do with the Doctors). And you are wrong about everything else.

Feel free to go do some reading about the difference between how a Vaccine works, How Antibiotics work and the differences between a Virus and Bacteria.

I use to make cheese, so I know plenty about the differences between a virus and bacteria.
I know how a virus gets into a cell and replicates it's self blah blah.

The doctors hand out the antibiotics, so they are responsible for them.

[TheDemonLord]

oh go on. please stand up and tell the class how it's the patient's fault that antibiotics are less effective.

dont forget to mention pathogens with developed resistance (that's science, or some shit) and how that's apparently wrong. because it's the patients' fault.

Okay - since you asked:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/a/antibiotic_resistance.htm

and from the WHO:

using antibiotics only when prescribed by a doctor;
completing the full prescription, even if they feel better;
never sharing antibiotics with others or using leftover prescriptions

One of the factors (from memory it is one of the bigger factors) is that Patients fail to take a full course - if one assumes (for the sake of easy maths) that at each dosage - 50% of the bacterial colony is killed off:
1st dose - 50%
2nd dose - 25%
3rd dose - 12.5%
4th dose - 6.25%

Etc.

Doses are prescribed (in the correct sense, not saying Doctors don't make mistakes here) for a person to take the full course - the idea being that even though by the time the patient is about 3/4 of the way through a course of antibiotics, they tend to feel better - there is still a very very small amount of the Bacteria present - unfortunately this small colony are the ones whose cell walls were able to withstand the antibiotic onslaught - this is due to their genetic makeup (either thicker cell walls, resistance to the antibiotic) and now this super colony of Bacteria are the ones that re-produce to make the next person sick and they have a higher resistance to Antibiotics.

When taking a full course however - that small amount is wiped (effectively antibiotic overkill) with the small survivors being in such a weakened state that the bodies own immune system is able to clear them out.

There you go Azkle.

[Akzle]

Okay - since you asked:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/a/antibiotic_resistance.htm

and from the WHO:

using antibiotics only when prescribed by a doctor;
completing the full prescription, even if they feel better;
never sharing antibiotics with others or using leftover prescriptions

One of the factors (from memory it is one of the bigger factors) is that Patients fail to take a full course - if one assumes (for the sake of easy maths) that at each dosage - 50% of the bacterial colony is killed off:
1st dose - 50%
2nd dose - 25%
3rd dose - 12.5%
4th dose - 6.25%

Etc.

Doses are prescribed (in the correct sense, not saying Doctors don't make mistakes here) for a person to take the full course - the idea being that even though by the time the patient is about 3/4 of the way through a course of antibiotics, they tend to feel better - there is still a very very small amount of the Bacteria present - unfortunately this small colony are the ones whose cell walls were able to withstand the antibiotic onslaught - this is due to their genetic makeup (either thicker cell walls, resistance to the antibiotic) and now this super colony of Bacteria are the ones that re-produce to make the next person sick and they have a higher resistance to Antibiotics.

When taking a full course however - that small amount is wiped (effectively antibiotic overkill) with the small survivors being in such a weakened state that the bodies own immune system is able to clear them out.

There you go Azkle.

now remove antibiotics from your scenario.

[TheDemonLord]

now remove antibiotics from your scenario.

Easy - Patient dies within a few weeks from a treatable disease

[yokel]

Easy - Patient dies within a few weeks from a treatable disease

thats right, if you don't take antibiotics you will DIE! true story bro haha
I've never taken antibiotics.

[Akzle]

thats right, if you don't take antibiotics you will DIE! true story bro haha
I've never taken antibiotics.

hahahhaa. you zombie cunt.

[Katman]

Notable is that the pro vaccination group is arguing with the conspiracy theorist group. :confused:


Yet another benefit of not having kids - I get to not give a fuck either way.

But speaking of conspiracy theories, tell us that one about your aversion to blood transfusions again.

[Ocean1]

Hey!
I'm a pommy cunt!

But you don't whine. Much.

Have you checked with your mother?

[Oscar]

But you don't whine. Much.

Have you checked with your mother?

Born there.
I only whine coz I own two BMWs...

[Ocean1]

Born there.
I only whine coz I own two BMWs...

Being born with your mother makes you English? I had no idea.

I can see that might be somewhat of a trial.

[TheDemonLord]

thats right, if you don't take antibiotics you will DIE! true story bro haha
I've never taken antibiotics.

and it definitely shows ;)

thousands of people used to die from diseases that could be caught from say getting cut on a rose thorn:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Alexander

Diseases that thanks to Antibiotics are now not fatal

[yokel]

and it definitely shows ;)

thousands of people used to die from diseases that could be caught from say getting cut on a rose thorn:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Alexander

Diseases that thanks to Antibiotics are now not fatal

well I got a little scratch the other day playing golf (dont ask how the fuck I did it, but managed to finish the last 9 holes)
guess what? no medical attention and I'm still alive!

but if I did it in the cesspool of London in the 1800s then yeah maybe I would've died??

[oldrider]

well I got a little scratch the other day playing golf (dont ask how the fuck I did it, but managed to finish the last 9 holes)
guess what? no medical attention and I'm still alive!

but if I did it in the cesspool of London in the 1800s then yeah maybe I would've died??

You are lucky doubting Thomas wasn't around - he would have been poking his fingers in there and wanting you to lift your shirt up! :whistle: - Ed? - :blip:

[Paul in NZ]

well I got a little scratch the other day playing golf (dont ask how the fuck I did it, but managed to finish the last 9 holes)
guess what? no medical attention and I'm still alive!

but if I did it in the cesspool of London in the 1800s then yeah maybe I would've died??

Yes you could easily have died from that without proper wound care... If that's your palm your dick must be in a right old state mate...

[Hitcher]

but if I did it in the cesspool of London in the 1800s then yeah maybe I would've died??

It would have been quite testing playing golf in the cesspool of London in the 1800s, that's for sure.

[SpankMe]

Science bitch. Try to understand it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzxr9FeZf1g

[BuzzardNZ]

PS. I am pro vaccinations by the way.

what's your stance on blood transfusions?

[Edbear]

what's your stance on blood transfusions?

:Offtopic: Been addressed in another thread a while back. :done:

[oldrider]

Science bitch. Try to understand it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzxr9FeZf1g

Yeah yeah - don't have a problem with all of that! - What I object to is compulsory no questions asked vaccination or mass medication!

Me and mine for some unknown reason get negative reaction to some medications! (whatever)

There are many other people out there that have these problems also. (some with very dire consequences)

So I expect some understanding medical consideration or even testing before receiving same!

If all the mad brained one size fits all compulsory mass medicators on this forum have their way we would not get that consideration!

That is my point!

[James Deuce]

Vaccination is not medication. It should be compulsory. There should be a documented medical exclusion methodology that is explicit and well understood. It needs to be taken out of the hands of parents. If they think vaccination is optional or particularly dangerous then they've simply paid no attention at school and have obviously decided to take the diminished responsibility Peter Griffin parenting method to heart.

There is no creditable documentation that supports the anti-vax movements assertions of gross changes in the well-being or affect of children. Just anecdotal blather. The odds of a vaccination reaction are far far lower than the cancer risk for the average person and probably similar to that of being injured by a shark. Your Aunty Mabel is more likely to put you in hospital or kill you than a shark.

Allowing people who have no knowledge to back up their uninformed opinion to own the discussion is stupidity. But because of how science works with the whole testing a hypothesis and peer reviewing the results and robustly discussing the outcome BEFORE using a product or vaccine in the wild means that science is seldom able to respond fast enough to untested, unsubstantiated claims about something they tested for decades before you got to see it in action. Then: add Internet. Now people get measles, whooping cough and polio, because a discredited ex-scientist (yes, he was stripped of his qualifications) fudged his test results.

That film is pseudo-science at best. The big problem with pseudo-science is that it takes hours, days, weeks, even months, to refute something stupid that some scientist trying to save their research grant or principled religious person, or simply a misguided opinionated mother says. In the meantime hearsay, unfounded conjecture and outright misinformation become "fact". You're not doing research if you aren't looking at both sides of the equation and vetting the qualifications of those positing an argument.

[oldrider]

With all due respect - sell your motorcycle and drive a car - the authorities have proved it to be safer!

[Oscar]

The big problem with pseudo-science is that it takes hours, days, weeks, even months, to refute something stupid that some scientist trying to save their research grant or principled religious person, or simply a misguided opinionated mother says. In the meantime hearsay, unfounded conjecture and outright misinformation become "fact". You're not doing research if you aren't looking at both sides of the equation and vetting the qualifications of those positing an argument.

Check out the fluridation debate in Hamilton.
Elected councils are prone to think that 100 stupid opinionated people spouting the same rubbish trump a couple of people who actually know what they're talking about.

[James Deuce]

With all due respect - sell your motorcycle and drive a car - the authorities have proved it to be safer!

That's just an appeal to authority logical fallacy.

[oldrider]

That's just an appeal to authority logical fallacy.

I think we are on the same side of the river - if comes to crossing to the other side - I simply prefer my plan to yours!

[Oscar]

That's just an appeal to authority logical fallacy.

Talking of logic in this forum?
Brave man...

[James Deuce]

Talking of logic in this forum?
Brave man...

You have to try.

[yokel]

Science bitch. Try to understand it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzxr9FeZf1g

What an absolute load of jibber jabber nonsense.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/733/906/121.jpg

[mashman]

It should be compulsory.

So should micro chipping humans, birth licenses, govt ordered euthanasia etc...?

[yokel]

So should micro chipping humans, birth licenses, govt ordered euthanasia etc...?

I bet when the time comes to get the "mark of the best", he'll be first in line.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/B-F8-2501bU/hqdefault.jpg

[mashman]

I bet when the time comes to get the "mark of the best", he'll be first in line.

I understand his point. It's logical... and I believe that until we're tailoring "vaccines" for individuals, we'll still have those who choose to put their children, and others, in harms way. It'll come under the banner, as so many other things do, of giving up a freedom to gain security in an uncertain world.

[haydes55]

Go back 50-100 years. Tell people that you have a way to prevent to polio, measles, mumps, rubella, flu amongst other diseases. Now tell them you don't want to protect your children from any of the above because you've read about a mother who vaccinated their kid and the kid had side effects.... And pretty much every single doctor and scientist in the world agrees you have a greater chance of having polio than of having a vaccination cause a debilitating condition... Which still wouldn't be worse than the original disease.

I'd rather have autism than polio. Thousands of kids get autism with or without vaccines... How the fuck can anyone prove a link when it occurs without the vaccines just as often?

I thought the only people stupid enough to believe vaccines are bad were crazy stupid Americans.

If you believe vaccines are a conspiracy by pharmaceutical companies, then you're a fool, you're actually securing their job for centuries to come. If everyone was vaccinated, the diseases would actually go extinct and there would be no need to vaccinate anymore. The fact these serious diseases still have outbreaks because of refusal to vaccinate proves how good for business vaccine conspiracies are. I bet vaccine conspiracies were probably started by a pharmaceutical company.

Ever met a parent with a kid that they refused to vaccinate, who has no longer got any living children? Or have spent weeks in quarantined hospital beds with entirely preventable illnesses? Reckon they will be singing praise of refusing vaccines?

[yokel]

I understand his point. It's logical... and I believe that until we're tailoring "vaccines" for individuals, we'll still have those who choose to put their children, and others, in harms way. It'll come under the banner, as so many other things do, of giving up a freedom to gain security in an uncertain world.

no, it's not logical Jim.

check out this nonsense from Campbell live tonight with the trust us were experts "like wild fire boff" and the 11 white women all putting their hands up with their beautiful white babies, everyone knows us whites are smarter than everyone else so you'd be a fool to disagree.
is 170 out of 318000000 really an out break as shown on their cool maps with red dots popping up all over kind of like you know measles?
what a complete load of bullshit.
easy to see why the anti vaccine crowed would not want to take part in this "news story" and cock sucker John Campbell doesn't even bother to explain why?

http://www.3news.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/could-us-measles-outbreak-reach-nz-2015030318?ref=video#axzz3TIvJLz8a

[yokel]

Go back 50-100 years. Tell people that you have a way to prevent to polio, measles, mumps, rubella, flu amongst other diseases. Now tell them you don't want to protect your children from any of the above because you've read about a mother who vaccinated their kid and the kid had side effects.... And pretty much every single doctor and scientist in the world agrees you have a greater chance of having polio than of having a vaccination cause a debilitating condition... Which still wouldn't be worse than the original disease.

I'd rather have autism than polio. Thousands of kids get autism with or without vaccines... How the fuck can anyone prove a link when it occurs without the vaccines just as often?

I thought the only people stupid enough to believe vaccines are bad were crazy stupid Americans.

If you believe vaccines are a conspiracy by pharmaceutical companies, then you're a fool, you're actually securing their job for centuries to come. If everyone was vaccinated, the diseases would actually go extinct and there would be no need to vaccinate anymore. The fact these serious diseases still have outbreaks because of refusal to vaccinate proves how good for business vaccine conspiracies are. I bet vaccine conspiracies were probably started by a pharmaceutical company.

Ever met a parent with a kid that they refused to vaccinate, who has no longer got any living children? Or have spent weeks in quarantined hospital beds with entirely preventable illnesses? Reckon they will be singing praise of refusing vaccines?

Like a tree falling in the woods, if something is not reported did it happen?

http://youtu.be/6LfipChRciY

[mada]

Go back 50-100 years. Tell people that you have a way to prevent to polio, measles, mumps, rubella, flu amongst other diseases. Now tell them you don't want to protect your children from any of the above because you've read about a mother who vaccinated their kid and the kid had side effects.... And pretty much every single doctor and scientist in the world agrees you have a greater chance of having polio than of having a vaccination cause a debilitating condition... Which still wouldn't be worse than the original disease.

I'd rather have autism than polio. Thousands of kids get autism with or without vaccines... How the fuck can anyone prove a link when it occurs without the vaccines just as often?

I thought the only people stupid enough to believe vaccines are bad were crazy stupid Americans.

If you believe vaccines are a conspiracy by pharmaceutical companies, then you're a fool, you're actually securing their job for centuries to come. If everyone was vaccinated, the diseases would actually go extinct and there would be no need to vaccinate anymore. The fact these serious diseases still have outbreaks because of refusal to vaccinate proves how good for business vaccine conspiracies are. I bet vaccine conspiracies were probably started by a pharmaceutical company.

Ever met a parent with a kid that they refused to vaccinate, who has no longer got any living children? Or have spent weeks in quarantined hospital beds with entirely preventable illnesses? Reckon they will be singing praise of refusing vaccines?

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/hamilton-measles-surge-highlights-need-immunisation-6011225

:facepalm:

The anti-vaccer's would be crying for blood if their child or elderly parent caught an infectious disease off a non-immunised health worker.:facepalm:

[Ocean1]

The anti-vaccer's would be crying for blood if their child or elderly parent caught an infectious disease off a non-immunised health worker.:facepalm:

It's not a difficult problem to solve, simply decline to treat any unvaccinated fuckwits. Simple.

[Akzle]

It's not a difficult problem to solve, simply decline to treat an unvaccinated fuckwits. Simple.

i can agree with that.

[mashman]

i can agree with that.

I always thought you were a secret nazi.

[Akzle]

I always thought you were a secret nazi.

*insert jew joke*


sigh. Sorry dude, my heart just isnt in it today.

[mashman]

*insert jew joke*


sigh. Sorry dude, my heart just isnt in it today.

lol

That shit's doing the rounds... but I'm sure there'll be an inoculation for it at some point.

[flyingcrocodile46]

The leaders of the University of British Columbia have announced (starts at 25 seconds in) it is standing behind a published report that provides "linea definitive evidence that substances added to vaccines greatly increase the chances that the recipient will develop autoimmune diseases including those listed on the Autism spectrum".

But that's ok because the CDC (Center for Disease Cultivation) and big Pharma (who have 100 % legal immunity from prosecution if their vaccines cause side effects up to and including death) say it's ok.

The process of terror promotion will see to it that fear engenders more fear so that terrified pussies will rabidly condem anyone who questions the biased self policing pharmaceutical juggernauts who profit from poisoning their scared witless customers.

Yay team pussies.


http://youtu.be/87vd7g_CquQ