Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[mashman]

Was listening to a group of former US security officials discussing national pandemic measures with relation to Coronavirus. They were discussing the amount of disinformation about from various sources when a former Homeland Security official commented that much of the anti vaxxer misinformation currently abroad originates from Russia.



There are 2 proven cases of autism being triggered by vaccine that I know of (along with a growing number of vaccine injury case). Neither of those cases happened in Russia. Neither case was prosecuted in Russia. Non of the medical establishments involved in proving the science of these cases was Russian. Also, how much of "that much" of the whole is Russia responsible for? Most or just much?

Typical knee jerk reaction to Russia making vaccination voluntary last year?

Yeah, we don need to stop pushing Homeland Security propaganda, because they truly do not have anywhere near the greatest track record when it comes to truth and honesty. That's why they bang up whistleblowers. Just ask that guy with the u.s. secrets, Snowden, just how bad they are. OMG, Snowden lives in Russia too... and you'd think with his access to the who's who of fucked up countries, that he would have gone somewhere safe. And yet he chose Russia (via China) over the U.S. for some reason, 2 countries that are red to the core eh.



I'm sure they'll find willing dupes to peddle their wares.

Homeland Security usually do.

[Katman]

:tumbleweeds:

Isn't it funny how dumb cunts go so silent when they discover they have nothing to offer that advances their crumbling agenda?

[mashman]

:tumbleweeds:

Isn't it funny how dumb cunts go so silent when they discover they have nothing to offer that advances their crumbling agenda?

Backing down in the face of "new" evidence pits the self against the self, because it requires one to take both sides whilst at the same time trying to sit it all out as a partial observer. Self against others is easier by comparison, because it's easier to dismiss the other than it is the self... coz that fucker follows you everywhere. Ommmmmmmmmmmm.

I wish it were funny though, coz they're slowing consensus into finding out for sure, coz echo chambers to protect the position of the self......... and another ommmmmmmmmmm, just coz the truth is ommy. Fucking ugly at times, but ommy that we might actually get to get some untainted answers for a change (coz life matters, right? no matter what the cost, right?), instead of beancounter arguments.

[Hugo Nougo]

fuck me, i wondered what you people did in this thread all day and it seems i havn't missed much, i think i'll still put my faith in these guys

https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2727726/measles-mumps-rubella-vaccination-autism-nationwide-cohort-study

U.S. courts and who knows what agendas, even if there really is a particle of truth the overwhelming benefits of vaccination are unquestionable, bye.

[Brett]

fuck me, i wondered what you people did in this thread all day and it seems i havn't missed much, i think i'll still put my faith in these guys

https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2727726/measles-mumps-rubella-vaccination-autism-nationwide-cohort-study

U.S. courts and who knows what agendas, even if there really is a particle of truth the overwhelming benefits of vaccination are unquestionable, bye.

I'm just hoping that all these anti-vaxxers say a big no thanks when the Covid 19 vaccination comes out. Oh...also for Rabies which is, you know, 100% fatal to anyone contracting it. Yeah, good luck punters.

[F5 Dave]

The reason it is tumble weeds here is because most sane people have realised that you guys in your echo chamber believe all your alt-facts. The rest of the audience just groans and says you're fucking kidding.

Oh you're not. Ok well go on congratulating yourselves. You have won the argument.

Not by convincing anyone of your crackpot theories that are 'proved' by Brian Tamaki or someone else equally ludicrous, but just through the realisation that talking to you is totally pointless.
Anyway, unsubscribe again

[mashman]

I'm planning on retiring on them.

When bitter satire is confused as gloating and not the beginning of a promising conversation...........

Vaccine injury exists. The true extent is affected by potential litigation. It's hard to prove a link when no one wants to prove it, and it's even harder when trying to find that link in a suspected cohort when life is far more complex. As such the "argument" will rage, people will be vaccine injured and have loooooooooong battles trying to prove it, and study after study will prove both positions to maintain the status quo. There is no anti-vaxx in wanting to know why people are being vaccine injured... unless it costs you money that is.

[Oakie]

There are 2 proven cases of autism being triggered by vaccine that I know of ...

One should not confuse 'being triggered', with being diagnosed at some point after a vaccine with having autism. "Oh, he had a vaccination and then two weeks later was diagnosed with autism so it must have been the vaccine".

[Oakie]

Vaccine injury exists.

Yes it does. I worked for an intellectual disability provider for 12 years and one of our service users was born 'normal' and had a reaction to a vaccination at about age 3 which left her brain damaged. It was believed that it was an allergy to something used in the process of making the vaccine ... possibly egg protein.

[mashman]

One should not confuse 'being triggered', with being diagnosed at some point after a vaccine with having autism. "Oh, he had a vaccination and then two weeks later was diagnosed with autism so it must have been the vaccine".

No confusion here. The information available on the "judgement" of one case that took 13 years to prosecute the science before admitting that the vaccine "triggered" the autism, went into great detail explaining such. I fully grasp the concept and the difference between being the cause and being triggered (or whatever language was used). As such, I would happily still use the word cause in lieu of triggered, because without the vaccine having been administered nothing would have been triggered and the child would have likely gone on to live a perfectly healthy life.

In some instances, weasel words simply should not be accepted because it might open the gates to litigation i.e. admitting that what some have been saying may actually be not only correct, but potentially a nightmare given that autism rates are still rising quite frighteningly and we're still offering "ignorance" as evidence. Something is not right, and they are nor making it easy for people to prove links in any way shape or form. Direct observation is being used over a period of hours, weeks and even months, yes, because these parents are looking at a child and wondering if the change they have just witnessed is normal. In some cases the direct observation of hours has seen vaccination have a big sticky finger pointed at it, only for the issue to be sold as something else on the probability that most people state that vaccination is "safe".

We need to be doing better. We are not, despite the evidence, quite the opposite in fact, and all because money is in the way of us doing better. I Am not saying that vaccination does not work, but who it hurts is being covered up, and by default so is the true extent of the "damage" that vaccinations may simply be contributing to.

[Katman]

Well the current crisis is certainly putting the risk from measles into perspective.

[mashman]

Well the current crisis is certainly putting the risk from measles into perspective.

It also highlights the potential that vaccination works :niceone:

[MaxPenguin]

Well the current crisis is certainly putting the risk from measles into perspective.

Are you still bored by it?

[Katman]

It also highlights the potential that vaccination works :niceone:

And I've never questioned whether vaccination 'works' or not.

My question has always been 'at what cost does it work?'.

[Katman]

Are you still bored by it?

Quite frankly, it doesn't overly bother me whether half the world's population dies. (And that even includes me in that half).

It might well be the only thing that saves the planet.

[MaxPenguin]

Quite frankly, it doesn't overly bother me whether half the world's population dies. (And that even includes me in that half).

It might well be the only thing that saves the planet.

Agree, but two corrections. The planet is fine even without humans, we only live on a small part of the surface and arent significant, and the place would be a lot better if 100% of us died off.

[Katman]

Agree, but two corrections. The planet is fine even without humans, we only live on a small part of the surface and arent significant, and the place would be a lot better if 100% of us died off.

Yes, there is nothing corrupt about Nature.

Human nature is where the corruption lies.

[mashman]

And I've never questioned whether vaccination 'works' or not.

My question has always been 'at what cost does it work?'.

I didn't say you did, just stating what we both know... hence the thumb guy. As you say, 'at what cost' needs to become a known thing.

[mashman]

The planet is fine even without humans

I'll put 450+ active and radiating out of control nuclear reactors rendering the planet as a dustball, more than 100% feasible scenario, forwards to counter your position.

[MaxPenguin]

I'll put 450+ active and radiating out of control nuclear reactors rendering the planet as a dustball, more than 100% feasible scenario, forwards to counter your position.

Yeabut we won't be here to care. Remember, the earth, universe and everything is only relative to humans. That's how egotistical we are.

[Gearup]

Yes, there is nothing corrupt about Nature.

Human nature is where the corruption lies.


Surprisingly enough, some parts of nature are corrupt and will cheat to "get ahead": https://www.seeker.com/insect-panama-papers-corruption-exists-among-animals-too-1771175477.html

But yeah, Humans are the worst.

[Katman]

Surprisingly enough, some parts of nature are corrupt and will cheat to "get ahead": https://www.seeker.com/insect-panama-papers-corruption-exists-among-animals-too-1771175477.html

While that was an interesting read, the main thing I got from it was the absurdity of the idea that humans 'observing' insect behaviour somehow equates to humans 'understanding' insect behaviour.

[mashman]

Yeabut we won't be here to care. Remember, the earth, universe and everything is only relative to humans. That's how egotistical we are.

lol... Yeah given what we know it's hard not to paint that picture. Learn a little more and the picture gets bigger though. Learn more again etc...

Ego or wilful ignorance?

We? Egotistical. That's very divisive, not to mention a massive generalisation. ;)

[MaxPenguin]

lol... Yeah given what we know it's hard not to paint that picture. Learn a little more and the picture gets bigger though. Learn more again etc...

Ego or wilful ignorance?

We? Egotistical. That's very divisive, not to mention a massive generalisation. ;)

Divisive? Yes, but anyone who disagrees with me is wrong, so it doesn't count. Generalisation? Yes, but in this case it is true so not a bad generalisation.

[mashman]

Divisive? Yes, but anyone who disagrees with me is wrong, so it doesn't count. Generalisation? Yes, but in this case it is true so not a bad generalisation.

Oh wow, you still believe that the evidence you are putting forwards means that you are wrong, and not the evidence? Strange way of dealing with things, but certainly popular.

[Swoop]

Anti-Vaxers (who have all gone suspiciously quiet lately) take a look around...

This is what happens with ONE fewer vaccine than we need.

[Katman]

Anti-Vaxers (who have all gone suspiciously quiet lately) take a look around...

Quiet?

It's not the 'anti-vaxers' who have gone 'suspiciously quiet'.

:weird:

[sidecar bob]

Quiet?

It's not the 'anti-vaxers' who have gone 'suspiciously quiet'.

:weird:

No, its the entire world.
If there was a vaccine for this we would all be happily at work & the world finances wouldn't be about to collapse, wether you lined up for the vaccine or not.
And, the cool bit is, that if I was vaccinated I wouldn't need to care less wether you were or not, before entering a supermarket you had sneezed in.

[Katman]

And, the cool bit is, that if I was vaccinated.....

If?

Oh I'm sure you'd be there front and centre.

[sidecar bob]

If?

Oh I'm sure you'd be there front and centre.
Yes, IF, as there is currently no vaccine for the current outbreak. Try to keep up.
Absolutely I would, in an orderly line however, to protect myself from selfish maggots that could kill me by sneezing.
The news us full of self centered people that can't seem to follow some simple guidelines to protect their fellow citizens at the moment, it seems self vaccinating in order to protect ones own health is the only option.

[Katman]

Absolutely I would, in an orderly line however, to protect myself from selfish maggots that could kill me by sneezing.

Yes, you've always struck me as the hysterical type.

[sidecar bob]

Yes, you've always struck me as the hysterical type.

More just a measured level of awareness of my surroundings & a sense of survival without waiting for those that don't, to go ahead & do the right thing for themselves.
I guess that's the only comeback you could come up with, without your own argument coming around & biting you in the arse.

[Katman]

More just a measured level of awareness of my surroundings & a sense of survival without waiting for those that don't, to go ahead & do the right thing for themselves.
I guess that's the only comeback you could come up with, without your own argument coming around & biting you in the arse.

Yeah, I'm sure you'd be one of the first into the lifeboats.

Right along with the women and children.

[BuzzardNZ]

Yeah, I'm sure you'd be one of the first into the lifeboats.

Right along with the women and children.

Probably more like this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Schettino

[Katman]

And let's not forget that a vaccine for Covid-19 might not be the roaring success that lifeboat bob's hoping for.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/09/critics-alarmed-lack-interest-studying-children-put-risk-dengue-vaccine

[Gearup]

And let's not forget that a vaccine for Covid-19 might not be the roaring success that lifeboat bob's hoping for.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/09/critics-alarmed-lack-interest-studying-children-put-risk-dengue-vaccine



Some Aussie Doctors have got a bit panicky. They're prescribing the anti-malarial drugs Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine to themselves and family for Covid-19, despite the potentially deadly side-effects.

[sidecar bob]

Probably more like this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Schettino

Na, I'm just staying at home like I'm meant to.
Fortunately it's a lovley home in a pleasant area with a great view, fantastic company & plenty of fun stuff to occupy me.
But hey, dont let that stop you making up fictitious scenarios to try to take the conversation off the topic in hand & make irrelevant comparisons in a feeble attempt to belittle my opinion.

[sidecar bob]

Yeah, I'm sure you'd be one of the first into the lifeboats.

Right along with the women and children.

Do you actually have a logical counter argument? Because it doesn't seem like it.
Personal put downs are usually a last resort of someone that is in a corner.

[Katman]

Do you actually have a logical counter argument?

Yes, but understanding it would probably be quite beyond you.

[oldrider]

Some Aussie Doctors have got a bit panicky. They're prescribing the anti-malarial drugs Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine to themselves and family for Covid-19, despite the potentially deadly side-effects.

Nephew in Aussie is battling a heavy dose of flue (Caught in work plane?) and has been "diagnosed" with Corona-virus and is (long?) awaiting test results - suspense levels very high! :doctor: - :wait:

[Swoop]

Quiet?

It's not the 'anti-vaxers' who have gone 'suspiciously quiet'.

:weird:

The tinfoil-hat nutters are always around, sadly. I guessed you had your mouth full of cock, as normal.
Are you preferring to take the gay-injection in preference to a real one though? Don't bother replying to that, as we all know you never answer a direct question.



Nice to see you have attemtped to shy away from your regular homosexual red rep comments. A definate improvement from your normal level of autistic cunty-ness!

[Katman]

I guessed you had your mouth full of cock, as normal.
Are you preferring to take the gay-injection in preference to a real one though?

Nice to see you have attemtped to shy away from your regular homosexual red rep comments.

That's quite some fixation you've got going there.

You and the berk should swap numbers.

[Gearup]

Nephew in Aussie is battling a heavy dose of flue (Caught in work plane?) and has been "diagnosed" with Corona-virus and is (long?) awaiting test results - suspense levels very high! :doctor: - :wait:


Sorry to hear that. Yeah, can imagine suspense levels alright.

[MaxPenguin]

Omg proof that covid19 is a cover to get the 5g towers up so they can control our minds

G is the 7th letter of the alphabet.
Take 7 from 26 (number of letters in alphabet)
Answer is 19.
Covid fucking 19.

They always leave a mathematical clue. Idiots.

[sidecar bob]

Yes, but understanding it would probably be quite beyond you.

Great attempt at making me look like I'm the foolish one again, while dodging the issue.
As long as you keep doing that you will be under no obligation to accept that if there were a readily available vaccine for the current situation, you would be vaguely aware that there was a bit of a sore throat going, leaving the world largely unchanged.

[Berries]

Nephew in Aussie is battling a heavy dose of flue
Is he a chimney sweep?

[Katman]

Great attempt at making me look like I'm the foolish one again

You're welcome.

But to be fair, you really managed it all on your own.

[sidecar bob]

You're welcome.

But to be fair, you really managed it all on your own.

Not at all. Go on, have a crack at justifying how shutting a country. . . No, actually, shutting the world down for a month or more is better than a vaccination.

[Katman]

Not at all. Go on, have a crack at justifying how shutting a country. . . No, actually, shutting the world down for a month or more is better than a vaccination.

I've never made that claim.

[sidecar bob]

I've never made that claim.

But vaccinating is bad. . . . .oh, is it ok now?

[oldrider]

Not at all. Go on, have a crack at justifying how shutting a country. . . No, actually, shutting the world down for a month or more is better than a vaccination.

Easter is a major focal point of the Christian calendar - expect too be Locked down till well after that period ends - major blow across the whole Christian world? (IMO anyway) :msn-wink:

[MaxPenguin]

Easter is a major focal point of the Christian calendar - expect too be Locked down till well after that period ends - major blow across the whole Christian world? (IMO anyway) :msn-wink:

How is that relevant?

[Katman]

But vaccinating is bad. . . . .oh, is it ok now?

Remember this.....v


Great attempt at making me look like I'm the foolish one again

[sidecar bob]

Remember this.....v

Youre talking in circles & you're not educating me as to how vaccinating against a world disaster is a bad thing.

[sidecar bob]

Easter is a major focal point of the Christian calendar - expect too be Locked down till well after that period ends - major blow across the whole Christian world? (IMO anyway) :msn-wink:

Yes, major blow for those with imaginary friends worldwide.

[Katman]

…..you're not educating me as to how vaccinating against a world disaster is a bad thing.

That will probably be because I've never said that.

[sidecar bob]

That will probably be because I've never said that.

Okay. . . You're anti vax but you never said that:yawn:
Now were making some headway. Baby steps.

[Katman]

….but you never said that:yawn:


That's correct.

I've never claimed to be 'anti-vax'.

[sidecar bob]

That's correct.

I've never claimed to be 'anti-vax'.

:facepalm: I randomly opened a page in this thread, pretty much any page & it looked a lot like you were.
Well if you're not then we can all get on with discussing what a fantastic advancement it's been for mankind.:D:

[Katman]

:facepalm: I randomly opened a page in this thread, pretty much any page & it looked a lot like you were.


See that's the problem when comprehension's not your strongpoint.

[oldrider]

Yes, major blow for those with imaginary friends worldwide.

Double whammy? - the virus attacks the elderly and infirm - the lock out separates the flock from the shepherd creating a paradigm shift largely unnoticed by the young but hastening the ultimate demise of Christianity? :corn:

[pete376403]

Double whammy? - the virus attacks the elderly and infirm - the lock out separates the flock from the shepherd creating a paradigm shift largely unnoticed by the young but hastening the ultimate demise of Christianity? :corn:

Not just the elderly - here its going for the epicentre of the US bible belters / Trump supporters https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/04/coronavirus-unique-threat-south-young-people/609241/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share&fbclid=IwAR2w-hhQlGnyhj5H2mqtI_6MQRxphX8orXC9hs_3Xr1eyP8qoWANx4V 93s0

[MaxPenguin]

Double whammy? - the virus attacks the elderly and infirm - the lock out separates the flock from the shepherd creating a paradigm shift largely unnoticed by the young but hastening the ultimate demise of Christianity? :corn:

Did the virus think of this all by itself? Or are you on the nano technology in the virus activated by 5 g camp?
Or something else entirely? Please indulge me.

[oldrider]

Did the virus think of this all by itself? Or are you on the nano technology in the virus activated by 5 g camp?
Or something else entirely? Please indulge me.

Well OK if you insist. - I just notice what is going on around me at home and in the world and put 2 and 2 together and ask myself - WHY? - doesn't mean I get it right - unless it actually happens? :whistle:

The 5G TROJAN NANOBOT 2020:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Aoz1Svqm4k - Source for mini clip below.


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[Berries]

How is that relevant?
It's the Jews, obviously.



:facepalm: I randomly opened a page in this thread, pretty much any page & it looked a lot like you were.
Pretty good summation of this thread.

[MaxPenguin]

Well OK if you insist. - I just notice what is going on around me at home and in the world and put 2 and 2 together and ask myself - WHY? - doesn't mean I get it right - unless it actually happens? :whistle:

The 5G TROJAN NANOBOT 2020:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Aoz1Svqm4k - Source for mini clip below.


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That is some clever shit right there....

[Katman]

And in case anyone thinks that nanorobotics is just a thing of the distant future, this article is from almost six years ago.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4562685/

Who knows what might be included in some 'experimental' vaccine designed to combat Covid-19.

[mashman]

:facepalm: I randomly opened a page in this thread, pretty much any page & it looked a lot like you were.
Well if you're not then we can all get on with discussing what a fantastic advancement it's been for mankind.:D:

:killingme... He is telling you that he isn't anti-vax, yet you "I randomly opened a page in this thread, pretty much any page & it looked a lot like you were".

The bumper stick says: you see the world as you are... you even admit it when you state that you open a page and it still looks that way. Add emoji words in place of emojis coz i wanna be cool just like dave :bleh:

[MaxPenguin]

And in case anyone thinks that nanorobotics is just a thing of the distant future, this article is from almost six years ago.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4562685/

Who knows what might be included in some 'experimental' vaccine designed to combat Covid-19.

But just because nano tech and covid-19 exist, doesnt mean they are being combined and used against us. I undetstand how conspiracy theorists link two things together to concoct a government conspiracy theory, and post it on YouTube to get as many likes as possible by an algorithm based population who think it is the real world, but it doesnt mean it is fact.

[Katman]

….but it doesnt mean it is fact.

Doesn't necessarily mean that it's fiction either.

[MaxPenguin]

Doesn't necessarily mean that it's fiction either.

Correct, but even in the unlikely event it wasn't, it still ends up as a whole bunch of loons completely fucking up anything or anyone credible.

[Katman]

Correct, but even in the unlikely event it wasn't, it still ends up as a whole bunch of loons completely fucking up anything or anyone credible.

Then the secret is to sift through the information and try to extract what may have a degree of validity.

Nanorobotics is a reality and there is no reason to think that the scientific community isn't actively seeking to incorporate it into medicine.

Something is then needed to control those nanobots.

5G would seem to fit that bill.

[sidecar bob]

See that's the problem when comprehension's not your strongpoint.

Oh, sorry, so all your posts in this thread are pro vaccination?
My mistake entirely.
So can we start discussing what a fantastic medical breakthrough they are for mankind yet?

[Grumph]

But just because nano tech and covid-19 exist, doesnt mean they are being combined and used against us. I undetstand how conspiracy theorists link two things together to concoct a government conspiracy theory, and post it on YouTube to get as many likes as possible by an algorithm based population who think it is the real world, but it doesnt mean it is fact.

Well done. You are capable of reason. then I look at katman's reply, LOL.

If it responds to pleasure stimulus by wagging it's tail and barking, it's probably a dog.

Katman responds to reason by automatically taking the opposite stance. Demonstrably proven IMO to be a conspiracy theorist - and an anti-vaccer.
And no, I'm not going to trawl through all your posts to prove the point. I have a life.

[Katman]

Oh, sorry, so all your posts in this thread are pro vaccination?

See there's another one of your problems.

You see this as nothing but a 'pro' versus 'anti' argument.

I'm looking at all the varying shades of gray in between those two extreme viewpoints.

[sidecar bob]

Katman responds to reason by automatically taking the opposite stance. Demonstrably proven IMO to be a conspiracy theorist - and an anti-vaccer.


It's called oppositional defiant disorder.
https://www.additudemag.com/oppositional-defiant-disorder-in-adults/

[sidecar bob]

See there's another one of your problems.

You see this as nothing but a 'pro' versus 'anti' argument.

I'm looking at all the varying shades of gray in between those two extreme viewpoints.

Ok, post a link to one post you have made in this thread that shows vaccination in a positive light & I will believe you.
You need to get your Raleigh 20 out & do some more backpedaling.

[Katman]

Ok, post a link to one post you have made in this thread that shows vaccination in a positive light & I will believe you.


I have stated many times throughout the thread that I'm not claiming that vaccination has never done Mankind any good.

I'm questioning the cost that that 'good' has come at, the push for ever increasing numbers of vaccinations, and the immorality of calling for mandatory vaccination.

(And before you go doing a DemonLord on us, the word 'cost' encompasses more than just dollars).

[mashman]

(And before you go doing a DemonLord on us, the word 'cost' encompasses more than just dollars).

Jobs too :shifty:

[Gearup]

Correct, but even in the unlikely event it wasn't, it still ends up as a whole bunch of loons completely fucking up anything or anyone credible.


On the subject of loons completely fucking up anything or anyone credible, I've been reading about the huge increase in bots of another type ie: social media ones, designed to spread fear via misinformation.

[sidecar bob]

I have stated many times throughout the thread that I'm not claiming that vaccination has never done Mankind any good.

I'm questioning the cost that that 'good' has come at, the push for ever increasing numbers of vaccinations, and the immorality of calling for mandatory vaccination.

(And before you go doing a DemonLord on us, the word 'cost' encompasses more than just dollars).

So no link to a positive post from you then?:weep:

[Katman]

So no link to a positive post from you then?:weep:

And still no spark of life from you.

[Trade_nancy]

I have stated many times throughout the thread that I'm not claiming that vaccination has never done Mankind any good.

I'm questioning the cost that that 'good' has come at, the push for ever increasing numbers of vaccinations, and the immorality of calling for mandatory vaccination.

(And before you go doing a DemonLord on us, the word 'cost' encompasses more than just dollars).

I'm hoping you are just trying to win this pissing contest with statements like this...as you otherwise seem reasonably sane and intelligent. To imply that mandatory vaccinations are "immoral"..would otherwise place your position on such matters somewhere between those of a flat-earther and a ludite.

[Katman]

To imply that mandatory vaccinations are "immoral"..would otherwise place your position on such matters somewhere between those of a flat-earther and a ludite.

No-one has the moral right to force anyone to submit to a medical intervention that is not immediately necessary to sustain life.

I absolutely believe that demanding someone to do so is immoral.

And I'm neither a flat earther or a luddite.

[sidecar bob]

And still no spark of life from you.

You're out of ideas I think, because that post amounted to nothing.
Oh dear, an now I've been red repped to fuck off & find a hobby.
That really is someone that's been called out for several years of peddling his misguided opinions on people & hasn't got anywhere to turn & looks like a bit of a fuckwit about now.
Here, take a lesson from this lifestyle influencer https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/vegan-influencer-carnivore-healthier
And stop trying to force your misguided opinions on people, it is both dangerous & foolish.

[Katman]

You're out of ideas I think, because that post amounted to nothing.
Oh dear, an now I've been red repped to fuck off & find a hobby.
That really is someone that's been called out for several years of peddling his misguided opinions on people & hasn't got anywhere to turn & looks like a bit of a fuckwit about now.

You don't cope well with rejection, do you?

[sidecar bob]

You don't cope well with rejection, do you?

I'm not entirely sure how you arrived at that, it's you that did the lashing out over a fairly simple request to prove me wrong.
You don't cope well with being called out for your bullshit views on life that you expect others to follow.
Oh, and I have a hobby, that's why I didn't spend the day winding you up, I think it's you that needs a hobby.

[FJRider]

Nanorobotics is a reality and there is no reason to think that the scientific community isn't actively seeking to incorporate it into medicine.



They need the Medical community to actively seek to incorporate it into medical practice. Any word on how their trials are going lately .. ???

[FJRider]

No-one has the moral right to force anyone to submit to a medical intervention that is not immediately necessary to sustain life.



If a Covid 19 vaccine was being sold just a month ago here in NZ ... sales would have been slow.

This month ... :whistle: Scenes of the Panic buying of toilet paper would be nothing in compasison. If it meant it was required by law to stay in business and working ... where would you be in the queue .. ??

But the spread from one carrier can infect many. And impossible to know ... whom you were infected by or whom you infected.

Do you have the right to unknowingly infect others ... on the grounds you weren't aware you were (or could be) doing it ... ???

[FJRider]

You don't cope well with rejection, do you?

Said the current holder of the KB red rep awarding crown ... <_<

[Katman]

If it meant it was required by law to stay in business and working ... where would you be in the queue .. ??

I wouldn't be in the queue.

[MaxPenguin]

I wouldn't be in the queue.

Why? Because you don't like vaccines, or you don't like being told what to do?

[Katman]

Why? Because you don't like vaccines, or you don't like being told what to do?

Because I don't buy into the whole vaccine hysteria.

(And I don't like being told what to do).

[sidecar bob]

I wouldn't be in the queue.

Fantastic, as long as everybody else is, that removes any responsibility from you.
You have made your point & I doubt theres one person that cares wether you're in the near queue or the far queue.
Now you should just go away & let people decide what's best for them.
You're behaving like the anti helmet lobby did a few decades ago. Remember the "the weight will break my neck", it reduces peripheral vision" & all the other bullshit arguments.
It just sounds retarded now, much like your anti vax stance here does.

[sidecar bob]

Because I don't buy into the whole vaccine hysteria.

(And I don't like being told what to do).

Wether you do do not is irrelevant. The government has & that's removed a number of our freedoms at the moment, & as a result you are being told what to do more than ever, which is quite ironic.
Believe it or not, it's not actually all about you.

[mashman]

Fantastic, as long as everybody else is, that removes any responsibility from you.
You have made your point & I doubt theres one person that cares wether you're in the near queue or the far queue.
Now you should just go away & let people decide what's best for them.
You're behaving like the anti helmet lobby did a few decades ago. Remember the "the weight will break my neck", it reduces peripheral vision" & all the other bullshit arguments.
It just sounds retarded now, much like your anti vax stance here does.

I wouldn't be in the queue either (and I've been diagnosed with COPD). I liken it very much to the first gen of a new bike and the problems that come with it. The testing has been done, but in all honestly, really not enough.

Where is the logic in: We have a virus that treats everyone differently and mutates into various strains as and when the occasion arises and for whatever reason, and the treatment is: One hat fits all ;)

[Katman]

Now you should just go away & let people decide what's best for them.

Here's an idea....

It you don't like what you're reading you could always fuck off and read something else.

[sidecar bob]

Here's an idea....

It you don't like what you're reading you could always fuck off and read something else.

Heres an even better idea, you could go for a ride on your bike . . . . Oh, hang on, you can't, because the government has stripped you of that freedom, because you don't like being told what to do.:weird:
Someone needs to call you on your bullshit & contradictions & I'm not going out today.
Although I am likely to spend the best part of the day tinkering with my hobbies, maybe you could dust a Katana off & flush the brake fluid, or polish a bit of alloy.

[MaxPenguin]

Because I don't buy into the whole vaccine hysteria.

(And I don't like being told what to do).

Even if it would save your life?

[Katman]

Now you should just go away & let people decide what's best for them.

Someone needs to call you on your bullshit & contradictions & I'm not going out today.


You self appointed gate-keepers make me laugh.

[oldrider]

Dr. Fauci in 2017: (he knew it was coming?) :scratch: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/whoa-dr-fauci-2017-president-trump-will-challenged-surprise-global-disease-outbreak-video/ - Why were they so unprepared? - :confused:

[sidecar bob]

You self appointed gate-keepers make me laugh.

You poorly researched & one eyed self appointed health & politics experts also give me a little humour.
But realistaclly, you can't expect to talk a pile of unbridled horse shit & be upset when someone calls you on it.

[Katman]

But realistaclly, you can't expect to talk a pile of unbridled horse shit & be upset when someone calls you on it.

I'm not the upset one.

[sidecar bob]

Even if it would save your life?

Or more importantly, the life of someone he comes into contact with.
Narcissists are at the centre of their own universe & the rights & wishes of others don't feature in their psyche.
They also have no conscience about what is right or wrong for the greater good of anyone but themselves.

[sidecar bob]

I'm not the upset one.

Well it seems it from your rep comments & comebacks.
You seem quite threatened & angry, and have made that perfectly clear both on & off forum.
You're hardly engaging me in a robust discussion, just a few random put downs & instruction to go away, & not to challenge your superior opinion.

[Katman]

Well it seems it from your rep comments & comebacks.
You seem quite threatened & have made that perfectly clear both on & off forum.
You're hardly engaging me in a robust discussion, just a few random put downs & instruction to go away, & not to challenge your superior opinion.

See, this is how it's worked for quite some time now.

You keep sending me green rep and then seem to become offended when I don't reciprocate.

Then you start with the smart arse comments and then cry when you get some red from me - followed by retaliatory red from you.

It's happened time and time again.

Like I said, you don't handle rejection very well.

[sidecar bob]

See, this is how it's worked for quite some time now.

You keep sending me green rep and then seem to become offended when I don't reciprocate.

Then you start with the smart arse comments and then cry when you get some red from me.

It's happened time and time again.

When I agree, I send green, I'm not asking for anything in return.
Interesting how your mind deciphered the situation though.
They're not smart arse comments, I'm just calling your bullshit out.
Could you point out where I cried about getting red? It's a tiny red square buried in the depths of the internet, usually with a bitter & twisted comment attached, do you really think that would bother someone? It's more a gauge of your level of anger & desperation than anything.

[Katman]

Interesting how your mind deciphered the situation though.

I've been dealing with the likes of you since I started on this site.

[mashman]

Dr. Fauci in 2017: (he knew it was coming?) :scratch: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/whoa-dr-fauci-2017-president-trump-will-challenged-surprise-global-disease-outbreak-video/ - Why were they so unprepared? - :confused:

Nought to really do with anything is it? We know that they're more than well prepared for such scenarios ;). At the end of the day all decisions are economically derived. Can we do X = Yes/No based on budget, no matter what route is taken (short of the new free money to keep business going, snigger). When your budget is about to mean nothing, you'll hold on as long as you can in the hope that it'll blow over. It hasn't. Oooops, where's the plan for what's happening? There isn't one, we're just going to have to suck it and see v's you'll never know what the plan is until it's too late :wari:

[sidecar bob]

I've been dealing with the likes of you since I started on this site.

Yep, not befriending, or discussing fun projects , or having a bit of evening banter with. Just "dealing with"
Sounds like great fun.

[FJRider]

Here's an idea....

It you don't like what you're reading you could always fuck off and read something else.

You don't handle rejection well do you ... ;)

[Swoop]

I've never claimed to be 'anti-vax'.
Just the usual approach of making claims then changing your tune when the mood takes you, eh?

Nothing has changed.


as you otherwise seem reasonably sane and intelligent.
You have got the wrong idea there.
Psychologists have the correct impression of Steve (they call it a "diagnosis" though).

[TheDemonLord]

(And before you go doing a DemonLord on us, the word 'cost' encompasses more than just dollars).

Actually, if he was to channel the spirit of myself, he'd point out that even when given examples of how you could make an argument about some of the known risks that come with Vaccines, you are incapable of formulating an argument that does not come from a position of Anti-Vax nonsense.

Also, if he was to channel me in the example above, Cost is never about Dollars, Dollars is just a convenient and widely understood measure of relative value. It's a placeholder.

[oldrider]

Why Didn’t Bill Gates Vaccinate His Own Children? - :scratch: - https://www.uspoliticsandnews.com/why-didnt-bill-gates-vaccinate-his-own-children/ - :mellow:

[onearmedbandit]

Why Didn’t Bill Gates Vaccinate His Own Children? - :scratch: - https://www.uspoliticsandnews.com/why-didnt-bill-gates-vaccinate-his-own-children/ - :mellow:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/may/02/yournewswirecom/Website-falsely-claims-Bill-Gates-refused-to-vacci/

https://africacheck.org/fbcheck/hoax-claim-that-bill-gates-refused-to-vaccinate-his-own-children/

https://www.facebook.com/melindagates/posts/all-three-of-my-children-are-fully-vaccinated-vaccines-work-and-when-fewer-peopl/2585399605016954/

[Oscar]

Why Didn’t Bill Gates Vaccinate His Own Children? - :scratch: - https://www.uspoliticsandnews.com/why-didnt-bill-gates-vaccinate-his-own-children/ - :mellow:

Still too stupid to fact check?
Or is it just that you "were only asking a question"?

https://www.facebook.com/melindagates/posts/all-three-of-my-children-are-fully-vaccinated-vaccines-work-and-when-fewer-peopl/2585399605016954/

Melinda Gates:
All three of my children are fully vaccinated.
Vaccines work. And when fewer people decide to get them, we all become more vulnerable to disease.
April 19 2019.


And:
https://africacheck.org/fbcheck/hoax-claim-that-bill-gates-refused-to-vaccinate-his-own-children/
The story is credited to Baxter Dmitry, a writer from YourNewsWire. The Poynter Institute for Media Studies describes YourNewsWire as “one of the most infamous misinformers on the internet”.

Despite having several of its stories debunked through Facebook’s third party fact-checking programme, YourNewsWire still manages to post fake news on the social network by changing headlines and moving to different website domains.

So when idiots like you give oxygen to this kind of nonsense, is because you want to feel superior to the world's richest man?
Or are you deliberately trying to undermine child safety in the third world?
I'll give you the news, you're not smarter than Bill Gates, you're still the stupid insignificant twat that you were before you posted this....

[Oscar]

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/may/02/yournewswirecom/Website-falsely-claims-Bill-Gates-refused-to-vacci/

https://africacheck.org/fbcheck/hoax-claim-that-bill-gates-refused-to-vaccinate-his-own-children/

https://www.facebook.com/melindagates/posts/all-three-of-my-children-are-fully-vaccinated-vaccines-work-and-when-fewer-peopl/2585399605016954/

Damn. Beat me to it.
Nice job.
I think I was ahead in the vitriol stakes...

[oldrider]

Damn. Beat me to it.
Nice job.
I think I was ahead in the vitriol stakes...

Vitriol? - Says more about you than it does about me - but feel free to be yourself. - :whistle:

[Oscar]

Vitriol? - Says more about you than it does about me - but feel free to be yourself. - :whistle:

The fact that you reposted that obnoxious,vile old crap says everything about you.
Gullible and stupid, to say the least.

[oldrider]

The fact that you reposted that obnoxious,vile old crap says everything about you.
Gullible and stupid, to say the least.

You are entitled to your opinion of course and even express it - you know - just like the Palestinians in Gaza are? :msn-wink:

[MaxPenguin]

Just love this shit....
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=221186412422429&id=100035932152618&d=null&vh=i

[onearmedbandit]

You are entitled to your opinion of course and even express it - you know - just like the Palestinians in Gaza are? :msn-wink:

Regardless, I take it you accept your link was based on a hoax?

[Oscar]

You are entitled to your opinion of course and even express it - you know - just like the Palestinians in Gaza are? :msn-wink:

The thing is, my opinion has facts to back it up and I have posted them.
You have no opinion, you have just posted unverified crap.
Again.

[Oscar]

Regardless, I take it you accept your link was based on a hoax?

Nah, he's too gutless to actually back up anything he posts.
He'll say he posted it coz other people might be interested blah blah, people are entitled to their own opinion wank wank.

[oldrider]

Regardless, I take it you accept your link was based on a hoax?

Well your information appears to draw that conclusion and you answered my question - moving right along. :niceone:

[Oscar]

Well your information appears to draw that conclusion and you answered my question - moving right along. :niceone:

You are so gutless.

[oldrider]

You are so gutless.

And you are such a nice person. - :D

[Oscar]

And you are such a nice person. - :D

I have seen you post some much drivel in the past that I don't feel the need to be nice to you.
If you weren't so stupid, you'd be dangerous.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

[oldrider]

I have seen you post some much drivel in the past that I don't feel the need to be nice to you.
If you weren't so stupid, you'd be dangerous.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

Really it is so nice chatting to you but this thread is about "vaccinations" and I don't want to move it off topic so you will have to carry on without me - be happy in your bubble! - :bye:

[Oscar]

Really it is so nice chatting to you but this thread is about "vaccinations" and I don't want to move it off topic so you will have to carry on without me - be happy in your bubble! - :bye:

Posting unverified shit is not "staying on topic".
The world would be a better place if it carried on without the likes of you.
Thanks, don't hurry back.

[oldrider]

Corona - April Fools? - (not everybody is happy, differing opinions abound?) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXmKZ3k1Tdg&feature=youtu.be - could there be any element of truth here? :scratch: - You be the judge? - :msn-wink:


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[Oscar]

Corona - April Fools? - (not everybody is happy, differing opinions abound?) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXmKZ3k1Tdg&feature=youtu.be - could there be any element of truth here? :scratch: - You be the judge? - :msn-wink:


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I thought we were carrying on without you?

But to answer your question, the chance of there being an element of truth there is slight, as you posted it.

And just to be clear, repeating a lie is not a "differing opinion".
It's just a lie.

[oldrider]

I thought we were carrying on without you?

But to answer your question, the chance of there being an element of truth there is slight, as you posted it.

And just to be clear, repeating a lie is not a "differing opinion".
It's just a lie.

OK I will take that as an acceptance from you that you have no right to sensor my posts only agree disagree or ignore them - you may comment of course and even report anything that breaks KB rules. - :yawn:

I guess normal transmission may now resume - may you and yours enjoy your bubble! - :sunny:

[Oscar]

OK I will take that as an acceptance from you that you have no right to sensor my posts only agree disagree or ignore them - you may comment of course and even report anything that breaks KB rules. - :yawn:

I guess normal transmission may now resume - may you and yours enjoy your bubble! - :sunny:

I have no intention of "sensoring" your posts.
Or even censoring them.

I just like to point out how gutless it is to post something dodgy, and when challenged, wank on about how everyone has a right to their opinion.
You see, as soon as an opinion is put the test and disproved by the facts, it becomes a lie.

[oldrider]

I have no intention of "sensoring" your posts.
Or even censoring them.

I just like to point out how gutless it is to post something dodgy, and when challenged, wank on about how everyone has a right to their opinion.
You see, as soon as an opinion is put the test and disproved by the facts, it becomes a lie.

Truth is a bit like common sense - who's brand is the correct one? - Guess it is whoever is claiming the high ground - freedom of choice or belief and/or agree to disagree? = My opinion versus yours. :thud:

[Oscar]

Truth is a bit like common sense - who's brand is the correct one? - Guess it is whoever is claiming the high ground - freedom of choice or belief and/or agree to disagree? = My opinion versus yours. :thud:

Your last "opinion" was acknowledged by you to be false.
I have no opinion on anything you bring up, because it never survives a simple fact check.
My only opinion is that you get off trolling people with this crap coz it makes you feel clever.
It's actually quite sad, as everytime you're called out, you resort to this "freedom of speech" bullshit.

And freedom of choice does not include spreading malicious lies which is your dirty little habit here.

[oldrider]

Your last "opinion" was acknowledged by you to be false.
I have no opinion on anything you bring up, because it never survives a simple fact check.
My only opinion is that you get off trolling people with this crap coz it makes you feel clever.
It's actually quite sad, as everytime you're called out, you resort to this "freedom of speech" bullshit.

And freedom of choice does not include spreading malicious lies which is your dirty little habit here.

Whacko :doh:

[Oscar]

Whacko :doh:

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but stupid old cahnts and their lies don't phase me...

[oldrider]

How long will the lock downs last? - Tucker Carlson asks the question everyone would like to know the answer to? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCyqcoC747o - May contain traces of lies, discredited poster. :shifty:

[mashman]

Damn. Beat me to it.
Nice job.
I think I was ahead in the vitriol stakes...

And what are they fully vaccinated against? All of it, or just some?

You think :killingme..... nah, you swallow.

[Oscar]

And what are they fully vaccinated against? All of it, or just some?

You think :killingme..... nah, you swallow.

Your posts are a lot like oldrider - you know what you wanna say, but due to a Trumpesque combination of arrogance and stupidity, no one understands you.
I think the mods should change your respective usernames to Dunning & Kruger.

[Katman]

Your last "opinion" was acknowledged by you to be false.

I'd just like to point out that the links OAB supplied didn't actually 'disprove' the claim about Bill Gates.

They simply outlined the dubious nature of the claim.

However, I would imagine that Bill Gates would try to sue the arse off any publication that printed the story if there was absolutely no basis to it.

[oldrider]

Your posts are a lot like oldrider - you know what you wanna say, but due to a Trumpesque combination of arrogance and stupidity, no one understands you.
I think the mods should change your respective usernames to Dunning & Kruger.

Well, that's a little bit more adventurous than your normally feeble responses - :lol: - :niceone:

[mashman]

Your posts are a lot like oldrider - you know what you wanna say, but due to a Trumpesque combination of arrogance and stupidity, no one understands you.
I think the mods should change your respective usernames to Dunning & Kruger.

So you've got nothing then. No evidence that proves how much of the vaccine schedule the kids have had. Just some woman stating that the kids are fully vaccinated. And if she considers fully vaccinated as nothing more than whooping cough and polio? You must know what she means by fully vaccinated to. Can you provide me that proof. Because her husbands father was into eugenics so the burden of proof requires a slightly higher bar... well, for those who are capable of rational thought that is.

[TheDemonLord]

So you've got nothing then. No evidence that proves how much of the vaccine schedule the kids have had. Just some woman stating that the kids are fully vaccinated. And if she considers fully vaccinated as nothing more than whooping cough and polio? You must know what she means by fully vaccinated to. Can you provide me that proof. Because her husbands father was into eugenics so the burden of proof requires a slightly higher bar... well, for those who are capable of rational thought that is.

He doesn't need to provide evidence as to how much they have been Vaccinated:

Oldie posted an 'article' saying that a prominent pro-vaccination advocate (Melinda Gates) didn't Vaccinate her kids and was therefore not practicing what she preaches and therefore a Hypocrite.

Oscar posted a rebuttal showing from the person herself that she did indeed Vaccinate her kids, rebutting Oldies article.

There is no burden of proof to show much or how little the Gates children have been vaccinated, only that the original article is incorrect.

[Oscar]

So you've got nothing then. No evidence that proves how much of the vaccine schedule the kids have had. Just some woman stating that the kids are fully vaccinated. And if she considers fully vaccinated as nothing more than whooping cough and polio? You must know what she means by fully vaccinated to. Can you provide me that proof. Because her husbands father was into eugenics so the burden of proof requires a slightly higher bar... well, for those who are capable of rational thought that is.

Please read this carefully (I have typed it slowly so as not confuse you): I made no comments on the efficacy of vaccines.
I merely pointed out that the old fool was posting false and disproven shit (again), which he admitted.

[Paul in NZ]

Corona - April Fools? - (not everybody is happy, differing opinions abound?) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXmKZ3k1Tdg&feature=youtu.be - could there be any element of truth here? :scratch: - You be the judge? - :msn-wink:


<iframe width="293" height="165" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/NXmKZ3k1Tdg" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>


No - a dumbarse with a camera and video editing software isnt an opinion.... The fact that only an unmoderated forum like Youtube will take this crap says it all...

People are doing the right thing and staying home which eases pressure on emergency rooms.. Frankly if you DO have the virus you wont be even getting into an emergency room but rather straight into an area they can contain you and treat you.

Once the virus starts it escalates very very fast... facilities are swamped and anyone who thinks its a hoax then maybe I should introduce you to friends in the medical world who are working their arses off and exposing themselves to save others...

[mashman]

Please read this carefully (I have typed it slowly so as not confuse you): I made no comments on the efficacy of vaccines.
I merely pointed out that the old fool was posting false and disproven shit (again), which he admitted.

The irony is still strong with this one. Where did I mention anything about the efficacy of anything? Why are you inferring that I did?
You and OAB threw up a couple of "oh he's a conspiracy theory therefore it's all a conspiracy" links and a link to Gates saying that she has fully vaccinated her children. What does Mrs Gates consider as fully vaccinated? Do you know for a fact that that means that her kids have had the full schedule? or is it as simple as her considering that polio and whooping cough would classify as fully vaccinated? 2 hear say conspiracy theories and one low bar high jump. That's not evidence, that's laziness.

I'm spoiling my fun here, but if you can't answer the questions above by providing evidence of what she means and a schedule to back it up, then you're going to have to find a 3rd position. Oldrider has taken that 3rd position by stating that you can believe what you believe. In other words, he realises that what he says is true and that what you're saying is also has the potential for truth... just as I do, but there's fuck all fun in that, is there?

[Oscar]

The irony is still strong with this one. Where did I mention anything about the efficacy of anything? Why are you inferring that I did?
You and OAB threw up a couple of "oh he's a conspiracy theory therefore it's all a conspiracy" links and a link to Gates saying that she has fully vaccinated her children. What does Mrs Gates consider as fully vaccinated? Do you know for a fact that that means that her kids have had the full schedule? or is it as simple as her considering that polio and whooping cough would classify as fully vaccinated? 2 hear say conspiracy theories and one low bar high jump. That's not evidence, that's laziness.

I'm spoiling my fun here, but if you can't answer the questions above by providing evidence of what she means and a schedule to back it up, then you're going to have to find a 3rd position. Oldrider has taken that 3rd position by stating that you can believe what you believe. In other words, he realises that what he says is true and that what you're saying is also has the potential for truth... just as I do, but there's fuck all fun in that, is there?

I'll tell you what, Buddy - there's fuck all fun arguing with the likes of you.
And your question is so stupid.
Why do I need to know what Mrs Gates meant by "vaccinations".
She was responding to someone else's use of the word.
So why don't you go back to Baxter Dmitry at YourNewsWire and ask him what he meant by Why Didn’t Bill Gates Vaccinate His Own Children?.
Tell you what, you do that, and then I'll give Melinda a call.

Also Oldriders "third position" is basically that he posts dodgy shit, and when it is debunked, he calls it an "opinion".
It's not an opinion, it's a lie.
And when it is to do with anti-semitism (as it has been in the past), it is a dangerous lie.

[Swoop]

The irony is still strong with this one. Where did I mention anything about the efficacy of anything?

... if you can't answer the questions above by providing evidence of what she means and a schedule to back it up...

Two plays directly out of SuckMyCockMan's playbook. Denying saying anything. Demanding evidence.
Perhaps a few links to some tinfoil-hat websites with satiate your thirst for stupidity?

[mashman]

I'll tell you what, Buddy - there's fuck all fun arguing with the likes of you.
And your question is so stupid.
Why do I need to know what Mrs Gates meant by "vaccinations".
She was responding to someone else's use of the word.
So why don't you go back to Baxter Dmitry at YourNewsWire and ask him what he meant by Why Didn’t Bill Gates Vaccinate His Own Children?.
Tell you what, you do that, and then I'll give Melinda a call.

Also Oldriders "third position" is basically that he posts dodgy shit, and when it is debunked, he calls it an "opinion".
It's not an opinion, it's a lie.
And when it is to do with anti-semitism (as it has been in the past), it is a dangerous lie.

You're the one claiming fact that, even by your own admission, hasn't been ascertained and citing butthurt "it's personal" as a defenCe.


Two plays directly out of SuckMyCockMan's playbook. Denying saying anything. Demanding evidence.
Perhaps a few links to some tinfoil-hat websites with satiate your thirst for stupidity?

Was the fuck was that? Oh look, you're denying saying what you never said by using a tactic you never used :killingme. Yeah there's a cock out alright, and it's clearly blocking your vision.

[Oscar]

You're the one claiming fact that, even by your own admission, hasn't been ascertained and citing butthurt "it's personal" as a defenCe.





You're a strange little man, ain't you?
You can suck the life out of a discussion with a concentration on minutiae and fatuous argument that reminds me of my late mother in law.

[mashman]

You're a strange little man, ain't you?
You can suck the life out of a discussion with a concentration on minutiae and fatuous argument that reminds me of my late mother in law.

Yeah, let's go with that.

[Berries]

He's right though. Have you stopped taking the meds this week or is the lockdown getting to you?

[mashman]

He's right though. Have you stopped taking the meds this week or is the lockdown getting to you?

No he isn't. My gender reassignment meds and youthful plastic surgery make me look, and feel, completely different now.

[Swoop]

Was the fuck was that? Oh look, you're denying saying what you never said by using a tactic you never used :killingme. Yeah there's a cock out alright, and it's clearly blocking your vision.

Have you been to your weekly meeting of "Nutjobs Anonymous"? Your posts have always been fucking retarded, but recently you are taking them to a new level of delusional.
Please make an appointment to see a professional psychologist.

[MaxPenguin]

Have you been to your weekly meeting of "Nutjobs Anonymous"? Your posts have always been fucking retarded, but recently you are taking them to a new level of delusional.
Please make an appointment to see a professional psychologist.

Mate, if you want to see retarded posts go to Facebook and search sue grey or the nz outdoors party. You will come away thinking Mashman is quite normal.

[mashman]

Mate, if you want to see retarded posts go to Facebook and search sue grey or the nz outdoors party. You will come away thinking Mashman is quite normal.

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - krishnamurti

As such, I have absolutely not desire to fit in. You can keep your Normal... I'd rather accept Swoops assessment as closer to the truth (which it isn't, but he seems to like to think so, and who Am I to deny him such self-gratifying pleasures)

I did meet one of the outdoors party leaders for a while once, among a few others. Nice guy. Bit set in his ways in certain respects and a little sonbby with it, but most definitely with his heart in the right place. He makes some solid points.

[MaxPenguin]

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - krishnamurti

As such, I have absolutely not desire to fit in. You can keep your Normal... I'd rather accept Swoops assessment as closer to the truth (which it isn't, but he seems to like to think so, and who Am I to deny him such self-gratifying pleasures)

I did meet one of the outdoors party leaders for a while once, among a few others. Nice guy. Bit set in his ways in certain respects and a little sonbby with it, but most definitely with his heart in the right place. He makes some solid points.

I can't help thinking after reading the posts on the outdoors party page that hunters sit around the campfire at night talking about the 5g, covid 19, Bill gates, 1080
conspiracy. Fuck that.

[mashman]

I can't help thinking after reading the posts on the outdoors party page that hunters sit around the campfire at night talking about the 5g, covid 19, Bill gates, 1080
conspiracy. Fuck that.

And then there are those who play golf and talk nothing but business. Whatever happened to popping a tab and getting lost in the forest.

[MaxPenguin]

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[Katman]

So when the call goes out to line up for your mandatory vaccination, will you comply?

[caspernz]

It's my 2021 xmas prezzie to myself.
Looking forward to it :woohoo:

[Katman]

It's my 2021 xmas prezzie to myself.
Looking forward to it :woohoo:

You can have my one as well if you like.

[sidecar bob]

You can have my one as well if you like.

https://www.additudemag.com/oppositional-defiant-disorder-in-adults/

[Katman]

https://www.additudemag.com/oppositional-defiant-disorder-in-adults/

That describes most motorcyclists I know.

[Berries]

So when the call goes out to line up for your mandatory vaccination, will you comply?
Will you put a big sign up on your workshop door saying you haven't?

[Katman]

Will you put a big sign up on your workshop door saying you haven't?

Yes - if it makes you feel safer.

[caspernz]

That describes most motorcyclists I know.

Some of us choose to mix with more enlightened crowds :eek:

[Berries]

Yes - if it makes you feel safer.
Shit. You feeling alright?

Not the response one has come to expect from you.

It won't make me feel any safer but there must be many out there with underlying conditions who would probably want to avoid people who have not had the vaccination.

[nzspokes]

It's my 2021 xmas prezzie to myself.
Looking forward to it :woohoo:

With you on that one.

But as Im not in the at risk group, happy to wait until those folk are sorted.

Lets hope they make one soon.:woohoo:

[Katman]

Bill Gates must be rubbing his hands in glee.

Pavlov's dogs springs to mind.

[caspernz]

You can have my one as well if you like.


With you on that one.

But as Im not in the at risk group, happy to wait until those folk are sorted.

Lets hope they make one soon.:woohoo:

Listening to the experts on this subject, 12-18 months is the timeline, hence my xmas 2021 quip.

By years' end, when the true havoc caused by this virus is clear, the anti vax lunacy will have shrunk a bit :facepalm::innocent::shutup::shit:

[Paul in NZ]

I will certainly be getting one - lets face it I would have been dead decades agao without medical science and I'm right in the 'youre gunna die bro camp - I'm not changing horses now.

I fully support anyones desire not to have a vaccination as long as they agree to not recieve any advanced medical treatment should they contract the disease - after all, its just the flu right?

That attitude is a little harsh - afterall the Coastguard still goes and rescues lifejacket refusers but frankly I dont want the hospital saving your sorry ass if they could be saving mine ;-)

[Katman]

I fully support anyones desire not to have a vaccination as long as they agree to not recieve any advanced medical treatment should they contract the disease - after all, its just the flu right?

That attitude is a little harsh - afterall the Coastguard still goes and rescues lifejacket refusers but frankly I dont want the hospital saving your sorry ass if they could be saving mine ;-)

How about receiving medical treatment as a result of idiotic behaviour on a motorcycle?

[Paul in NZ]

How about receiving medical treatment as a result of idiotic behaviour on a motorcycle?

Fits into category of lifejacket...

[F5 Dave]

Anti vaxers should have the right go choose.

Either Vaxination or if they don't want that, Vasectomy. Cause we don't want stupid fucks like that to breed.

[Katman]

Fits into category of lifejacket...

It also fits into the category of receiving medical treatment regardless of whether you've been vaccinated or not.

[Swoop]

Anti vaxers should have the right go choose.

Either Vaxination or if they don't want that...
I'd suggest not being elligible for public healthcare. If someone does not want to vaccinate then they don't receive a ventilator and can fight any disease on their own terms. Sadly they infect others along the way...
There's a good video from a doctor doing the rounds on "herd immunity". Rather good viewing from the scientific community and he isn't impressed with the fuckwits and their "beliefs".

[HenryDorsetCase]

I dont need to forcibly vaccinate people. What I will do is either forcibly sterilise people who dont get vaccinated - that takes care of the problem but in a while. If i decide I want a more...... final solution, I'll go a step further: with the vaccines I will add an antidote. Then I will aerosol spray the poison. The planes I use to spray the chemtrails should do it. That way the problem goes away and humanity is better off. Win win.

[nzspokes]

I dont need to forcibly vaccinate people. What I will do is either forcibly sterilise people who dont get vaccinated - that takes care of the problem but in a while. If i decide I want a more...... final solution, I'll go a step further: with the vaccines I will add an antidote. Then I will aerosol spray the poison. The planes I use to spray the chemtrails should do it. That way the problem goes away and humanity is better off. Win win.

Can you make the chemtrails to be Lime flavor? That would be cool. And maybe different colours, white gets boring.

[Katman]

I dont need to forcibly vaccinate people. What I will do is either forcibly sterilise people who dont get vaccinated - that takes care of the problem but in a while. If i decide I want a more...... final solution, I'll go a step further: with the vaccines I will add an antidote. Then I will aerosol spray the poison. The planes I use to spray the chemtrails should do it. That way the problem goes away and humanity is better off. Win win.

You remind me of one of the characters in Lord of the Flies.

[Katman]

I'd suggest not being elligible for public healthcare. If someone does not want to vaccinate then they don't receive a ventilator and can fight any disease on their own terms.

Refer post #22.

[HenryDorsetCase]

You remind me of one of the characters in Lord of the Flies.

Thanks. I,ve always thought I would be great at being an evil henchman. In charge of ideas group, perhaps the eugenics programme.

[Paul in NZ]

Fits into category of lifejacket...

I choose to disagree. Refusing a safety device is not the same as refusing to believe in science. If you went out on a boat without a lifejacket because you didnt believe human beings drown in water then no I wouldnt send the coastguard...

Refusing a vaccine is a choice to believe in science or not. Vaccines are a product of medical research and technology. If you dont trust that then thats perfectly OK as long as you dont then expect science to keep you alive when you get ill. As it turns out - this virus might just be a bit difficult to vaccinate for so its a mute point anyway...

On a happier note - I notice the gun rights extremists were wandering around in mobs protesting lockdown as a violation of their rights... I have friends in ER in the americas. In some cases they are so overwhealmed that they are simply making choices on who gets treated and who dies - I know I wouldnt bother with the protesters..

[Katman]

I choose to disagree. Refusing a safety device is not the same as refusing to believe in science. If you went out on a boat without a lifejacket because you didnt believe human beings drown in water then no I wouldnt send the coastguard...

Your analogies are as bad as TDL's.

[mashman]

Refusing a vaccine is a choice to believe in science or not.

It's when science is no longer backed by observation that the problems occur. One person tells another, who tells another, who tells another... which starts to question the validity of the science. The vast majority are pushed away as accepted collateral damage. Those who get through get given money to look after themselves into the future, and the vaccine is added to a list of potentially contributing factors that are accepted as having contributed to whatever the resulting impaired condition may be.

There's a reason to lie. A big fat financial reason. If it isn't vaccinations. Then what is it? Salt? Sugar? Salt + Sugar + Vaccinations + all I need is the air that I breathe... Direct observation is showing that vaccination is in there.

As such, "anti-vaxx" does not mean anti-science. It simply shows that there's a distrust with the vaccination industry from those who are SEEING evidence that's contrary to the popular narrative that's been pushed for decades. I don't call that anti-science given that it holds up under the first pillar of scientific scrutiny i.e. it is an observed behaviour, it now needs to be described, objectively.

[Katman]

An interesting viewpoint.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/118291756/why-mandatory-vaccination-is-unethical-and-immoral

[Paul in NZ]

An interesting viewpoint.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/118291756/why-mandatory-vaccination-is-unethical-and-immoral

Shes the deputy leader of the social credit party....

[Katman]

Shes the deputy leader of the social credit party....

That's right. It even says so in the article - twice.

It's still an interesting viewpoint nevertheless.

And it's an article that can actually be read without allowing your political bias to cloud your judgement.

Give it a go - you might learn something.

[HenryDorsetCase]

So clearly for any vaccination the key is "Which of your children do you like the least?"

[mashman]

Shes the deputy leader of the social credit party....

She is/was also a vet. She also supported NZ First at the last election, and supported the Money Free Party the election before. I have met her and actually have a well formed dislike of her. But she does raise fair few points that aren't limited to a political opinion on a thing.

[Gearup]

She is/was also a vet. She also supported NZ First at the last election, and supported the Money Free Party the election before. I have met her and actually have a well formed dislike of her. But she does raise fair few points that aren't limited to a political opinion on a thing.


What caused the dislike?

[Swoop]

It's when science is no longer backed by observation that the problems occur. One person tells another, who tells another, who tells another... which starts to question the validity of the science.

No, The "science" remains completely logical and credible*.
When one moron talks to another moron, then passes the info on - THAT is referred to as "gossip".



Did you know:
* If all the books and information about science and also about religion were removed from the face of the planet, all of the books on science would get re-written the same as before as it is verifiable. All of the religious books would be utterly different.
Science, eh.

[Katman]

Did you know:
* If all the books and information about science and also about religion were removed from the face of the planet, all of the books on science would get re-written the same as before as it is verifiable. All of the religious books would be utterly different.
Science, eh.

Except, throughout time, science has been rewritten as new things are learned.

As it should be.

[Katman]

As I suspect vaccine science will be rewritten as we learn more about the blood/brain barrier and the potential for harm if toxins are allowed to pass through it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

No, The "science" remains completely logical and credible*.
When one moron talks to another moron, then passes the info on - THAT is referred to as "gossip".



Did you know:
* If all the books and information about science and also about religion were removed from the face of the planet, all of the books on science would get re-written the same as before as it is verifiable. All of the religious books would be utterly different.
Science, eh.

and its even easier than ever for fucktards to spread any sort of fuckwittery due to the wonder that is social media. So, yay!

[nseagoon]

I have seen reactions to vaccination. One thing to consider medically a reaction is deemed anaphylactic and reactions may not present as such and some genetic markers are simply more succeptible to turning positive and causing a reaction.

I see the Oxford Vaccine group has MenACWY vaccination as their control for COV19 vaccine testing (rather than no vaccination or an unvaccinated subject)
Their reasoning was they prefer it to the saline placebo otherwise participants who have any reaction would be able to guess they had received the ChAdOx1-nCoV-19 vaccine.
seems odd to confirm an expectation of reactions.


On top of that legally a vaccination can't be made mandatory in NZ.
Under the Health and Disability Commission amongst other rights there is the
-right to informed consent
-right to choose (or refuse) services and care

The biggest one to me is as a Libertarian I believe everyone has the right to choose and make decisions on their lives even without me agreeing with their choices.
take aside the emotion and realise if what we want becomes mandatory it opens the path for what we don't want as well.
Judging by some of the commentary here it seems eugenicists have their preference.
I do support people having choices and acting on them in a manner of their choosing having consented being presented all relevant information.

[Berries]

The biggest one to me is as a Libertarian I believe everyone has the right to choose and make decisions on their lives even without me agreeing with their choices.
You must read a lot of books.

[mashman]

What caused the dislike?

A few things were more than off putting... but I Am funny that way.

[mashman]

No, The "science" remains completely logical and credible*.
When one moron talks to another moron, then passes the info on - THAT is referred to as "gossip".

Did you know:
* If all the books and information about science and also about religion were removed from the face of the planet, all of the books on science would get re-written the same as before as it is verifiable. All of the religious books would be utterly different.
Science, eh.

So you're saying that when the observation doesn't match the science, that the science remains completely logical and credible? Right. The moron in question is the first observer of the non-sciency thing, you know, like the apple landing on the head incident and gravity thing. The next person is then another observer of the same thing, and so on until it is describe in books. It is the foundation of science innit.

You don't think that man would recreate religion? You fucking idiot.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I have seen reactions to vaccination. One thing to consider medically a reaction is deemed anaphylactic and reactions may not present as such and some genetic markers are simply more succeptible to turning positive and causing a reaction.

I see the Oxford Vaccine group has MenACWY vaccination as their control for COV19 vaccine testing (rather than no vaccination or an unvaccinated subject)
Their reasoning was they prefer it to the saline placebo otherwise participants who have any reaction would be able to guess they had received the ChAdOx1-nCoV-19 vaccine.
seems odd to confirm an expectation of reactions.


On top of that legally a vaccination can't be made mandatory in NZ.
Under the Health and Disability Commission amongst other rights there is the
-right to informed consent
-right to choose (or refuse) services and care

The biggest one to me is as a Libertarian I believe everyone has the right to choose and make decisions on their lives even without me agreeing with their choices.
take aside the emotion and realise if what we want becomes mandatory it opens the path for what we don't want as well.
Judging by some of the commentary here it seems eugenicists have their preference.
I do support people having choices and acting on them in a manner of their choosing having consented being presented all relevant information.

Cool. I am a libertarian and I am going to come to your house and straight up murder you. Thats my choice and it makes me happy.

If you think about it, if you read the odd book you will realise that taken to its absurd logical conclusion it just will not work. In the same way that socialism wouldnt because people are basically cunts.

So, we invented the social contract: in return for things like a national defence, a right to liberty (within reason) and free speech (eithin reason) we agree to give up some things - the "right" to come to your house and murder you and your family, that sort of thing. Generally it works pretty well.

Nothing wrong with eugenics, assuming I am in charge of the programme. I'd be happy to issue a breeding licence - but given your demonstrable lack of anything except an appreciation for the Goons, you are unlikely to get one. We've actually got most of the infrastructure and personnel in place. Shut the borders, repurpose the Immigration department. Job done.

[Katman]

Cool. I am a libertarian and I am going to come to your house and straight up murder you. Thats my choice and it makes me happy.

You must be a fucking shit lawyer.

Are you at least cheap?

[nseagoon]

A right doesn't infringe on other rights.
You can't just do anything it's within any right based constraints.
E.g. essentially anything victimless isn't a crime (uo to a point)
Libertarian beliefs are small government, you're confused with Anarchism which also has similar ideas but without backup of any government.

Ironically unlike Neddy I am not inflicted with ducks disease.

But i digress back to the thread topic.
I pointed out legislation would have to change to alter inherent inherent rights , changing the goalposts to support mandatory medication.


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[Katman]

I pointed out legislation would have to change to alter inherent inherent rights , changing the goalposts to support mandatory medication.

Unfortunately, once politicians get in their head that they want to change legislation, they usually just set about doing so.

It's the public that needs to make New Zealand politicians aware that mandatory vaccination is unacceptable.

[nseagoon]

Unfortunately, once politicians get in their head that they want to change legislation, they usually just set about doing so.

It's the public that needs to make New Zealand politicians aware that mandatory vaccination is unacceptable.Agreed. For any medication or medical procedure they should never be state mandatory.
Unfortunately the general population apart from voting blue or red every 3 years for the most part they are apolitical and don't see the big deal when it comes to rights,
and just envisage some flag waving mullet shouting in the streets when one mentions rights.

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[Katman]

Unfortunately the general population apart from voting blue or red every 3 years for the most part they are apolitical and don't see the big deal when it comes to rights,
and just envisage some flag waving mullet shouting in the streets when one mentions rights.

There's not just 39 million sheep in New Zealand.

[husaberg]

There's not just 39 million sheep in New Zealand.
Only there is not 39 million sheep in NZ, there isn't even 30 million either
In 2016 it was 27.6m.
But why would you ever be expected to get a fact right...........:msn-wink:

[James Deuce]

I have seen reactions to vaccination. One thing to consider medically a reaction is deemed anaphylactic and reactions may not present as such and some genetic markers are simply more succeptible to turning positive and causing a reaction.

I see the Oxford Vaccine group has MenACWY vaccination as their control for COV19 vaccine testing (rather than no vaccination or an unvaccinated subject)
Their reasoning was they prefer it to the saline placebo otherwise participants who have any reaction would be able to guess they had received the ChAdOx1-nCoV-19 vaccine.
seems odd to confirm an expectation of reactions.


On top of that legally a vaccination can't be made mandatory in NZ.
Under the Health and Disability Commission amongst other rights there is the
-right to informed consent
-right to choose (or refuse) services and care

The biggest one to me is as a Libertarian I believe everyone has the right to choose and make decisions on their lives even without me agreeing with their choices.
take aside the emotion and realise if what we want becomes mandatory it opens the path for what we don't want as well.
Judging by some of the commentary here it seems eugenicists have their preference.
I do support people having choices and acting on them in a manner of their choosing having consented being presented all relevant information.

Doesn't work. Most people are giant fuckwits.

[F5 Dave]

So you're saying that when the observation doesn't match the science, that the science remains completely logical and credible? Right. The moron in question is the first observer of the non-sciency thing, you know, like the apple landing on the head incident and gravity thing. The next person is then another observer of the same thing, and so on until it is describe in books. It is the foundation of science innit.

You don't think that man would recreate religion? You fucking idiot.
You must be a speed reader. It's like normal reading but without the comprehension.

Go and Google scientific method and keep reading the whole first paragraph until you see the difference between what you just wrote.

To further prove a point, you last sentence proves you totally misunderstood Swoop saying man Would recreate religion, not wouldn't. There was a subtle but important nuance there to absorb.

[Naki Rat]

An interesting viewpoint.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/118291756/why-mandatory-vaccination-is-unethical-and-immoral
That article is equally applicable to flouridisation of municipal water supplies as it is to vaccination (i.e. mass medication)

[Katman]

And the question of mandatory vaccinations is only one of the issues we'll be facing over the coming weeks, months, years.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ideasroom/2020/04/23/1140228/covid-19-will-make-mass-surveillance-our-new-normal?fbclid=IwAR3s1sn-Esx66P_oP6KYRZ67rJpr_E15MZNpad1TT2amHZgFHJGwwXO-s8s

[sidecar bob]

And the question of mandatory vaccinations is only one of the issues we'll be facing over the coming weeks, months, years.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ideasroom/2020/04/23/1140228/covid-19-will-make-mass-surveillance-our-new-normal?fbclid=IwAR3s1sn-Esx66P_oP6KYRZ67rJpr_E15MZNpad1TT2amHZgFHJGwwXO-s8s

I guess were only one vaccination away from that being a non issue.
They go on to say that it's not normal for the government to know where you are all the time.
Mark Lundy was convicted using evidence of that nature in 19 years ago, I doubt he was even a person of interest the night he allegedly committed his special crime.

[pete376403]

This seems appropriate here.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Mark Lundy was convicted using evidence of that nature in 19 years ago, I doubt he was even a person of interest the night ha allegedly committed his special crime.

Wellllll..... they always look at the spouse so he would have been a POI for sure. Of course his position was "Well I was in Lower Hutt fucking a prostitute at the time" actually made his defence look robust.

[jellywrestler]

Wellllll..... they always look at the spouse so he would have been a POI for sure. Of course his position was "Well I was in Lower Hutt fucking a prostitute at the time" actually made his defence look robust.

they didn't here, not until days later when they couldn't check gas in his tank etc, that was one of their major fuck ups. Also cell phone info wasn't as elaborate in those days, yes they knew he was in teh hutt valley but the span for towers back then was something like 7km radius, so he could have been abywhere within 14km, the journey and time frame he had with 28km removed is quite a significant chuck of time simply.

[sidecar bob]

Wellllll..... they always look at the spouse so he would have been a POI for sure. Of course his position was "Well I was in Lower Hutt fucking a prostitute at the time" actually made his defence look robust.

What I mean, is they weren't tracking him deliberately that evening as a POI.
He became a person of interest ths following day for sure, but they were tracking him the previous evening, as they are all of us regardless if we are on a short list or not.
The article I quoted was scaremongering that the govt will suddenly start tracking us.
If you're carrying a cellphone they have been for at least two decades.

[Katman]

The article I quoted was scaremongering that the govt will suddenly start tracking us.
If you're carrying a cellphone they have been for at least two decades.

The article discusses the potential for greatly increased levels of surveillance.

But then again, I didn't expect you would understand it.

[Swoop]

Except, throughout time, science has been rewritten as new things are learned. As it should be.
Quite so. Facts are the cornerstone of science & the human race's future depends on it.


So you're saying that when the observation doesn't match the science, that the science remains completely logical and credible? Right. The moron in question is the first observer of the non-sciency thing, you know, like the apple landing on the head incident and gravity thing. The next person is then another observer of the same thing, and so on until it is describe in books. It is the foundation of science innit.

You don't think that man would recreate religion? You fucking idiot.
You really are a prime candiate for the Anti-MENSA Society.


To further prove a point, your last sentence proves you totally misunderstood Swoop saying man Would recreate religion, not wouldn't.
An example of facts over fiction. Hopefully the human race would not be so stupid as to re-write the religious bullshit. Imagine if the world didn't need to go to war with each other over who's imaginary friend was the best?

[pritch]

This vaccine might arrive earlier than we think. Dr Fauci said twelve to eighteen months, but there's a lot of very bright people around the world working very hard on this. There's a sure fire Nobel science prize up for grabs as well. A million dollars plus ain't to be sneezed at.

The testing process is bound to be accelerated too, and the result may be forthcoming in record time. It will need to be quick though because the world economy is stuck in freeze frame until the vaccine is available.

[mashman]

And the question of mandatory vaccinations is only one of the issues we'll be facing over the coming weeks, months, years.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ideasroom/2020/04/23/1140228/covid-19-will-make-mass-surveillance-our-new-normal?fbclid=IwAR3s1sn-Esx66P_oP6KYRZ67rJpr_E15MZNpad1TT2amHZgFHJGwwXO-s8s

Prophecy or all part of the plan :shifty:

[Katman]

Prophecy or all part of the plan :shifty:

The thought did cross my mind.

[FJRider]

So you're saying that when the observation doesn't match the science, that the science remains completely logical and credible? Right.


Science tells us a compass needle always points north. But put a metal object next to it ... it wont. As a hunter on Stewart Island found out the hard way.

Observations tell us what is happening. What we have to figure out is why it is happening if it doesn't agree with science.

Not agreeing with science does not automatically make it wrong ...

[mashman]

You really are a prime candiate for the Anti-MENSA Society.

Given where the mensa morons have taken society to today, I take that as a compliment.

[mashman]

Science tells us a compass needle always points north. But put a metal object next to it ... it wont. As a hunter on Stewart Island found out the hard way.

Observations tell us what is happening. What we have to figure out is why it is happening if it doesn't agree with science.

Not agreeing with science does not automatically make it wrong ...

Confusing.

That's what I remember saying, just with different words like.

Absolutely. But where direct observation conflicts with the science, not opinion, then how "wrong" is the science?

[Laava]

This vaccine might arrive earlier than we think. Dr Fauci said twelve to eighteen months, but there's a lot of very bright people around the world working very hard on this. There's a sure fire Nobel science prize up for grabs as well. A million dollars plus ain't to be sneezed at.

The testing process is bound to be accelerated too, and the result may be forthcoming in record time. It will need to be quick though because the world economy is stuck in freeze frame until the vaccine is available.
So Donald Trump is up for a Nobel in science now as well as peace? Wow the seppos must be sooo proud!

[Laava]

Confusing.

That's what I remember saying, just with different words like.

Absolutely. But where direct observation conflicts with the science, not opinion, then how "wrong" is the science?
Are you confusing scientific theories with facts?

[FJRider]

... But where direct observation conflicts with the science, not opinion, then how "wrong" is the science?

Look through history. Most of the "Great" discoveries were accidental. Going against what was the "Correct" principals and procedures.

[Katman]

The testing process is bound to be accelerated too....

Sounds about normal.

[FJRider]

Are you confusing scientific theories with facts?

If you can SEE what is happening ... it must be fact. WHY it is happening can be the mystery.

An untried (scientific) theory might happen. In theory it MIGHT work. But will it in practice ???

If it does, is the theory actually proved.. ?? or if it doesn't, is the theory wrong ... ??

You need to consider why it did (or didn't) work.

The principle of causation ... "the post-Cartesian attempt to see everything as governed by simple laws of cause and effect" ... the operation or relation of a cause and its effect.


"Cause and effect play an important part in the universe"

[FJRider]

Sounds about normal.

Everybody's "Normal" varies. Your normal is not mine.

[husaberg]

The thought did cross my mind.

it must have been fighting for space with the other 11,400,000 sheep you made up yesterday (https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/188206-Mandatory-vaccination?p=1131160367#post1131160367), but plenty of wide open spaces for those ovines to room in that noggen of yours aye.........

https://noplaceforsheep.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/empty-head.gif?w=400

[FJRider]

The article discusses the potential for greatly increased levels of surveillance.

But then again, I didn't expect you would understand it.

Surveillance is watching to see what happens. Understanding why it is happening is the difficult part.

Understanding why the difference between expected result ... and why the actual result varies ... usually needs some degree of rational thought.

Judging by most of your posts ... that leaves you out.

Derogatory posts are your forte ... ;)

[mashman]

Are you confusing scientific theories with facts?

No. I was wondering why a piece of metal could affect a compass. Still haven't got it.


Look through history. Most of the "Great" discoveries were accidental. Going against what was the "Correct" principals and procedures.

Indeedy. There are almost as many ways to re-write history as there are to not making a light bulb.

Whose history and how far back... oh, and using which religion as the truth? Can discoveries be made on purpose when it takes a series of accidents to prove the discovery.

[FJRider]

No. I was wondering why a piece of metal could affect a compass. Still haven't got it.

The needle of the compass is magnetic. Which is attracted to metal.

Got it yet ... ??? ;)


Whose history and how far back... oh, and using which religion as the truth? Can discoveries be made on purpose when it takes a series of accidents to prove the discovery.

https://www.sciencealert.com/these-eighteen-accidental-scientific-discoveries-changed-the-world

The truth is only known by those that believe.

[mashman]

The needle of the compass is magnetic. Which is attracted to metal.

Got it yet ... ??? ;)

Hmmmmm...



https://www.sciencealert.com/these-eighteen-accidental-scientific-discoveries-changed-the-world

The truth is only known by those that believe.

Beautiful accidents. :headbang:

So many truths to choose from... unless someone claims something as fact, then everyone else is a nutcase :laugh:

[FJRider]

... then everyone else is a nutcase :laugh:

A personal theory of mine ... work's for ME ... ;)

[mashman]

You cannot have contempt without anger.

You cannot have anger without hate.

As most of your posts on this site are contempt ... anger ... or hate based ... why do you bother ... ??? :scratch:

You see the world as you are.

[mashman]

A personal theory of mine ... work's for ME ... ;)

Ooooo the synchronicity of it :shifty:

[FJRider]

Who cares? I mean really?

He does. Apparently.

Otherwise ... why would he bother .... seriously ... ;)

[FJRider]

Ooooo the synchronicity of it :shifty:

My NEW favourite word .... :shifty:

[FJRider]

You see the world as you are.

You're too kind ... :shifty:

[actungbaby]

Hugo Boss designed the best uniforms ever. There's a reason Lemmy from Motorhead collected all that stuff. The iconography is (objectively) really amazing: colour, design, consistency etc. My personal political beliefs do not really dovetail with those of National Socialism however.

Also, under the rules governing internet arguments, in particular Godwins Law, you've just lost, and your point is forfeit.

This uniform is more me - in fact I do own one... well, most of one, as it happens. (command, not science)My friend built his own tri quarter
Well modfifed one he brought online.
What u think new series .?

Sent from my CPH1941 using Tapatalk

[mashman]

You're too kind ... :shifty:

Apparently it's observably true and not an opinion :bleh:... but thanks anyway.

[FJRider]

Apparently it's observably true and not an opinion :bleh:... but thanks anyway.

But if it's not an opinion ... it can't be true ... :bleh:

[mashman]

But if it's not an opinion ... it can't be true ... :bleh:

Or it can :love:

[FJRider]

Or it can :love:

Maybe ... :shifty:

[mashman]

Maybe ... :shifty:

And that's where evidence comes into it to offer an objective view to the trifecta of possibility... the really fun one that so few can accepts exists. The view that BOTH positions are true.

[Swoop]

No. I was wondering why a piece of metal could affect a compass. Still haven't got it.
:facepalm:

Perhaps Hitcher expressed it best with "GAH THUMP!"

And on that point, your Honour, the defence rests.


Given where the mensa morons have taken society to today, I take that as a compliment.
One can only presume you will follow Mr Trump's advice and start consuming disinfectant.
The gene pool will be much better off.

[mashman]

:facepalm:

Perhaps Hitcher expressed it best with "GAH THUMP!"

And on that point, your Honour, the defence rests.


Only if you believe that I didn't know what effect a piece of metal would have on a compass when that metal is introduced to it's magnetic field.

And as a criteria alone for defining intelligence, not knowing such a thing has no bearing (eh eh eh) on intelligence. Not being able to understand it opens that door, but it still isn't a definitive indicator. You aren't the only one to have had the same belief though, albeit with varying degrees of concern for my mental faculty. 1 of 3 of you was actually quite pleasant when explaining why metal v's compass. At least there's 1 smart human being among ya.



One can only presume you will follow Mr Trump's advice and start consuming disinfectant.
The gene pool will be much better off.

Ahhhh I do miss Akzle.