Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[bogan]

The leaders of the University of British Columbia have announced (starts at 25 seconds in) it is standing behind a published report that provides "linea definitive evidence that substances added to vaccines greatly increase the chances that the recipient will develop autoimmune diseases including those listed on the Autism spectrum".

But that's ok because the CDC (Center for Disease Cultivation) and big Pharma (who have 100 % legal immunity from prosecution if their vaccines cause side effects up to and including death) say it's ok.

The process of terror promotion will see to it that fear engenders more fear so that terrified pussies will rabidly condem anyone who questions the biased self policing pharmaceutical juggernauts who profit from poisoning their scared witless customers.

Yay team pussies.


http://youtu.be/87vd7g_CquQ

Has he done any confirmatory studies or does he still rely on passive monitoring as he has in the past? The claimed link between such elements and autism has been around for a number of years, but no studies show it to be causally correlated. However, we do know the elimination of life threating/taking diseases and illnesses is casually correlated with the vaccines.

Yay team science.

[yokel]

Has he done any confirmatory studies or does he still rely on passive monitoring as he has in the past? The claimed link between such elements and autism has been around for a number of years, but no studies show it to be causally correlated. However, we do know the elimination of life threating/taking diseases and illnesses is casually correlated with the vaccines.

Yay team science.

My mate has a kid with autism caused by being vaccinated, pretty much the same thing happen as this women's describing http://youtu.be/eMrFV2rnHlo?t=3m52s that's enough evidence for me you muppet
team science is a joke.

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[TheDemonLord]

My mate has a kid with autism caused by being vaccinated, pretty much the same thing happen as this women's describing that's enough evidence for me you muppet
team science is a joke.

Interesting - could you provide a link to the Peer Reviewed study of your mate's kid's Autism that shows a definitive causal link between the Autism and the Vaccine?

Team Science is what has allowed you to spew your putrid opinion forth into the public domain - without Team Science, you would be derided as the village idiot and be the recipient of rotten fruit based projectiles

[Oakie]

you would be derided as the village idiot Well that pretty much is the definition of 'Yokel'

[Virago]

My mate has a kid with autism caused by being vaccinated, pretty much the same thing happen as this women's describing http://youtu.be/eMrFV2rnHlo?t=3m52s that's enough evidence for me you muppet
team science is a joke.

Now you're being silly. Using your mate as a statistical sample of one is enough to prove a tenuous hypothesis? Okay I'll do likewise. I had sandwiches for lunch today. Straight afterwards I whacked my shin when climbing over my trailer draw-bar. Therefore I have proven that sandwiches cause sore shins. It's all a bit silly isn't it?

Autism is almost always diagnosed at the age when children are being immunised. It is an understandable fallacy to link the two, but it is just as flawed as the sandwich/shins hypothesis. There has been no statistically proven and verified evidence that immunised children are more likely to develop autism that un-immunised children. All such studies have been shown to be either flawed - or worse - fraudulently skewed and misrepresented.

Current thinking is that autism is a complex disorder in which multiple factors must co-occur. Many environmental factors (mainly pre-natal) are being investigated, with the post-natal immunisation factor already eliminated.

[Oakie]

Current thinking is that autism is a complex disorder in which multiple factors must co-occur. Many environmental factors (mainly pre-natal) are being investigated, with the post-natal immunisation factor already eliminated.

Yep. I work for an intellectual disability provider. Autism - thought to be mostly genetic with the odd touch of environmental factors in there.

[jonbuoy]

Yep. I work for an intellectual disability provider. Autism - thought to be mostly genetic with the odd touch of environmental factors in there.

I wonder if the environmental factor turned out to be a virus/pathogen for which a vaccine could be developed, would the anti-vaccine brigade refuse it?

[Katman]

Interesting - could you provide a link to the Peer Reviewed study of your mate's kid's Autism that shows a definitive causal link between the Autism and the Vaccine?


Are you sucking bogan's cock?

[bogan]

Are you sucking bogan's cock?

My work here is done :woohoo:

[Edbear]

I wonder if the environmental factor turned out to be a virus/pathogen for which a vaccine could be developed, would the anti-vaccine brigade refuse it?

Now, now. Don't be too logical here the conspiracy. . I mean the anti-vaccers, will get all confuddled!

[Edbear]

I wonder if the environmental factor turned out to be a virus/pathogen for which a vaccine could be developed, would the anti-vaccine brigade refuse it?


Now you're being silly. Using your mate as a statistical sample of one is enough to prove a tenuous hypothesis? Okay I'll do likewise. I had sandwiches for lunch today. Straight afterwards I whacked my shin when climbing over my trailer draw-bar. Therefore I have proven that sandwiches cause sore shins. It's all a bit silly isn't it?

Autism is almost always diagnosed at the age when children are being immunised. It is an understandable fallacy to link the two, but it is just as flawed as the sandwich/shins hypothesis. There has been no statistically proven and verified evidence that immunised children are more likely to develop autism that un-immunised children. All such studies have been shown to be either flawed - or worse - fraudulently skewed and misrepresented.

Current thinking is that autism is a complex disorder in which multiple factors must co-occur. Many environmental factors (mainly pre-natal) are being investigated, with the post-natal immunisation factor already eliminated.


You should know by now that unqualified, unresearched people who can't spell or write but have anecdotal mates, trump scientific research and persons of experience every time ! :doh:

[bogan]

You should know by now that unqualified, unresearched people who can't spell or write but have anecdotal mates, trump scientific research and persons of experience every time ! :doh:

Pity you don't extend that standard (sarcastic derision of non-scientific ways) to your religious assertions :facepalm:

[Oscar]

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[TheDemonLord]

Are you sucking bogan's cock?

Nope - Bogan is sucking mine ;)

[Oscar]

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[TheDemonLord]

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Lol

On a side note - I don't install AV on my PC - I find my mental AV scanner is much better.

[Oscar]

Lol

On a side note - I don't install AV on my PC - I find my mental AV scanner is much better.

Is it conducted through your tinfoil hat?
I prefer to let the aliens look after that stuff...

[buggerit]

Its interesting that both camps seem to be all or nothing on their view of vaccines when the vaccines themselves can vary in there makeup
hugely.
Personally I don't take the flu vaccine, but am happy to have been vaccinated as a child.
If I had my time again, I would look into spreading the vaccines my kids received over a larger period of time
and try for individual vaccines rather than the all in one multi-vaccine approach.

[TheDemonLord]

Is it conducted through your tinfoil hat?
I prefer to let the aliens look after that stuff...

Nah, it is conducted through 10+ years of IT experiance

[TheDemonLord]

Its interesting that both camps seem to be all or nothing on their view of vaccines when the vaccines themselves can vary in there makeup
hugely.
Personally I don't take the flu vaccine, but am happy to have been vaccinated as a child.
If I had my time again, I would look into spreading the vaccines my kids received over a larger period of time
and try for individual vaccines rather than the all in one multi-vaccine approach.

I agree - one camp produces all scientifically peer reviewed evidence, the other produces nothing ;)

[Banditbandit]

I agree - one camp produces all scientifically peer reviewed evidence, the other produces nothing ;)

'cause they caught autism from the neighbor's dog ...

[James Deuce]

'cause they caught autism from the neighbor's dog ...

Shouldn't have bent over in front of it.

[mashman]

If we were ever to want to actually know what was going on, we'd perform a brain scan, take blood, measure whateverothershit we can measure before we carry on with our crusade to stab everyone and inject them with a one size fits all solution... that may have side-effects... but who cares... it's only life.

[idb]

If we were ever to want to actually know what was going on, we'd perform a brain scan, take blood, measure whateverothershit we can measure before we carry on with our crusade to stab everyone and inject them with a one size fits all solution... that may have side-effects... but who cares... it's only life.

You're right...instead of the complete lack of research situation that we have at the moment.
If only someone would do some studies on vaccines and their effects so that we could decide if they are safe and that they work!

[mashman]

You're right...instead of the complete lack of research situation that we have at the moment.
If only someone would do some studies on vaccines and their effects so that we could decide if they are safe and that they work!

Life is cheap for some.

[Oscar]

You're right...instead of the complete lack of research situation that we have at the moment.
If only someone would do some studies on vaccines and their effects so that we could decide if they are safe and that they work!

Yeah, then we can do summat about all these cases of polio and german measles...

[yokel]

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you are one fascist ignorant fucker.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu1RzdyIMAA9xgM.png:large


Its interesting that both camps seem to be all or nothing on their view of vaccines when the vaccines themselves can vary in there makeup
hugely.
Personally I don't take the flu vaccine, but am happy to have been vaccinated as a child.
If I had my time again, I would look into spreading the vaccines my kids received over a larger period of time
and try for individual vaccines rather than the all in one multi-vaccine approach.

being vaccinated for polio back in the day might have been the best option, but do we still need to do it to day??

and being vaccinated for measles or the flu is just unnecessary.

our freedoms are being attacked from every angle.

this pro vaccine moment is fascism.

“Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict
the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to
others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a Special
privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom.”


― Benjamin Rush

http://youtu.be/dRioqG2iBE8?t=5m40s

[idb]

Yeah, then we can do summat about all these cases of polio and german measles...

About time too.

[idb]

you are one fascist ignorant fucker.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu1RzdyIMAA9xgM.png:large



being vaccinated for polio back in the day might have been the best option, but do we still need to do it to day??

and being vaccinated for measles or the flu is just unnecessary.

our freedoms are being attacked from every angle.

this pro vaccine moment is fascism.

“Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict
the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to
others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a Special
privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom.”


― Benjamin Rush

http://youtu.be/dRioqG2iBE8?t=5m40s

Fascism?
How so?

[Akzle]

so... how bout that vaccinated kid that just got measles....

[BMWST?]

you are one fascist ignorant fucker.



Being vaccinated for polio back in the day might have been the best option, but do we still need to do it to day??

and being vaccinated for measles or the flu is just unnecessary.

our freedoms are being attacked from every angle.

this pro vaccine moment is fascism.


This anti vaccination scaremongering is stupidity

You sir are the Ignoramus here.Are you aware that both Germany and America are now reporting many many cases of measles?Are you aware that you can die from the measles or suffer serious and permanent brain damage.
Polio is no longer a threat because of vaccinations ,not in spite of it.a high percentage of vaccinated children may prevent your children from coming into contact with someone with measles

[TheDemonLord]

you are one fascist ignorant fucker.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu1RzdyIMAA9xgM.png:large



being vaccinated for polio back in the day might have been the best option, but do we still need to do it to day??

and being vaccinated for measles or the flu is just unnecessary.

our freedoms are being attacked from every angle.

this pro vaccine moment is fascism.

“Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict
the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to
others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a Special
privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom.”


― Benjamin Rush

http://youtu.be/dRioqG2iBE8?t=5m40s

Please go to the CDC and infect yourself with Small Pox - we can continue the discussion about whether Vaccines works after that.

[idb]

so... how bout that vaccinated kid that just got measles....

No, do tell.

[BMWST?]

No, do tell.
dont quote him you make me see his posts

[Akzle]

No, do tell.

it were on the noos tonight

[bogan]

dont quote him you make me see his posts

That has only been happening since the upgrade though eh? or have I only just noticed it now?

[idb]

it were on the noos tonight

That's a shame.

[Ocean1]

so... how bout that vaccinated kid that just got measles....

About 3% of vaccinated people can still get it. Far less serious symptoms.
97% is enough to provide herd immunity and to eventually make it extinct. 85% is probably enough. But even in the western world up to 30% don't bother, because as James succinctly put it: fuckwits.

[idb]

dont quote him you make me see his posts

Sorry about that.
I'll send you a PM just before I do so that you can look away.

[idb]

About 3% of vaccinated people can still get it. Far less serious symptoms.
97% is enough to provide herd immunity and to eventually make it extinct. 85% is probably enough. But even in the western world up to 30% don't bother, because as James succinctly put it: fuckwits.

Herd immunity means that the people that aren't immunised because either the vaccination didn't work or they are medically unable to receive a vaccination are still protected by the immunity of 'the herd'.
The immunity of 'the herd' stops the disease from circulating.

[Akzle]

About 3% of vaccinated people can still get it. Far less serious symptoms.
97% is enough to provide herd immunity and to eventually make it extinct. 85% is probably enough. But even in the western world up to 30% don't bother, because as James succinctly put it: fuckwits.

of course.
So you piss and moan about 5-12%
why not go and find the five % who dont because lazy, rather than morally/religiously/ignorantly or otherwise opposed.

Or. Just fuck up about it and die like a vaccinated bitch.

Lol @humans making something extinct.*
It'll never catch on...


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[Virago]

...being vaccinated for measles or the flu is just unnecessary...

Measles currently kills globally an average of 0.5% of victims (roughly 100,000 deaths from 20,000,000 victims). The mortality rate has fallen massively since 1980, as immunisation has spread progressively through the globe, more recently into third world countries (where mortality is often as high as 10%). Vaccination unnecessary you say?

Please feel free to point out any documented and certified measles-vaccine related deaths.

There is currently a small outbreak of measles in Christchurch - the direct result of non-vaccination. Those who chose not to vaccinate their kids will now be running scared. Because it can kill.

And 'flu? Don't confuse your "kiwi flu" (or the common cold - "I can't come in today boss, I've got the 'flu") with the real thing. The real 'flu is nasty - really nasty.

Influenza spreads around the world in a yearly outbreak, resulting in about three to five million cases of severe illness and about 250,000 to 500,000 deaths. Vaccination unnecessary you say?

[Akzle]

Influenza spreads around the world in a yearly outbreak, resulting in about three to five million cases of severe illness and about 250,000 to 500,000 deaths.

...despite vaccination

[Akzle]

There is currently a small outbreak of measles in Christchurch - the direct result of non-vaccination.

except it were a vaccinated kid that was the 'index case'

... And the three unvaccinated kids who rolled in the same shit didnt get it.

[idb]

except it were a vaccinated kid that was the 'index case'

... And the three unvaccinated kids who rolled in the same shit didnt get it.

Correction...the kid had not completed the course of vaccinations.

The child had had a first dose of the measles vaccine, but had yet to have a second dose - due when a child is four years old.


The severity of the symptoms were reduced because the child had received one dose of the vaccine, Williams said.http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/67144438/measles-at-christchurch-preschool

[yokel]

Correction...the kid had not completed the course of vaccinations.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/67144438/measles-at-christchurch-preschool

So when you get vaccinated you're not vaccinated?
What a fucking joke.
Well at least this kid wont need anymore shots, just got some for free!

Also people that have just been vaccinated can also spread the dieses.

how many shots does a kid have to get?

[Banditbandit]

how many shots does a kid have to get?


You, kid, only need one. A .308 in the base of the skull ...

(It's 10.30 on a weekday morning. How come you are not in class? I believe you had English period two didn't you Michael? Does your mother know where you are?)

[yokel]

You, kid, only need one. A .308 in the base of the skull ...

(It's 10.30 on a weekday morning. How come you are not in class? I believe you had English period two didn't you Michael? Does your mother know where you are?)

A threat of physical violence shows the true depth of your intelligence.

Nice one upmanship, but you lose.

[Banditbandit]

A threat of physical violence shows the true depth of your intelligence.



A threat? Which ones is the threat? The factual statement that a .308 bullet to the base of your skull will kill you or the possibly implied threat to tell your mother where you really are?

[Ocean1]

of course.
So you piss and moan about 5-12%
why not go and find the five % who dont because lazy, rather than morally/religiously/ignorantly or otherwise opposed.

Or. Just fuck up about it and die like a vaccinated bitch.

Lol @humans making something extinct.*
It'll never catch on...


Edit * - that isnt delicious

I'm not moaning about 5%. I'm suggesting that the 30% of parents in the western world that don't vaccinate their kids because they're lazy, morally or religiously disinclined or plain ignorant fuck off and live somewhere else. Preferably in one place. Which leaves the rest of us at far less risk.

That way when we do make each disease extinct from within civilised societies (y'know, like we have smallpox) then we can nuke the retards safely and finish the job properly.

[Banditbandit]

I'm not moaning about 5%. I'm suggesting that the 30% of parents in the western world that don't vaccinate their kids because they're lazy, morally or religiously disinclined or plain ignorant fuck off and live somewhere else. Preferably in one place. Which leaves the rest of us at far less risk.

That way when we do make each disease extinct from within civilised societies (y'know, like we have smallpox) then we can nuke the retards safely and finish the job properly.

Nice idea ... but ..

I'd rather suggest that if parents do not vaccinate their children then they should be charged full cost for any medical assistance required if the child gets a disease that vaccination would have prevented.

If they won't take the publicly-funded vaccination/prevention offerings then they should not be given cheap/free cure options ...

[Ocean1]

Nice idea ... but ..

I'd rather suggest that if parents do not vaccinate their children then they should be charged full cost for any medical assistance required if the child gets a disease that vaccination would have prevented.

If they won't take the publicly-funded vaccination/prevention offerings then they should not be given cheap/free cure options ...

What about the kids their kids gave the disease to, they get to make that good too?

What about the billions of future kids that get the disease because the current fuckwits failed to prevent it, they going to pay their bills?

That must come to a tidy sum, let's see that cash up front before you decide, eh?

Oh. And 'cause you reckon it's safer not to immunise here's a shot of perfectly healthy polio, measles, Spanish flue#m243.... AND a free one-way ticket to Lepersville.

[mashman]

Nice idea ... but ..

I'd rather suggest that if parents do not vaccinate their children then they should be charged full cost for any medical assistance required if the child gets a disease that vaccination would have prevented.

If they won't take the publicly-funded vaccination/prevention offerings then they should not be given cheap/free cure options ...

And of course you'll return all of their tax $ and ACC contributions etc...?

[Banditbandit]

What about the kids their kids gave the disease to, they get to make that good too?

What about the billions of future kids that get the disease because the current fuckwits failed to prevent it, they going to pay their bills?

That must come to a tidy sum, let's see that cash up front before you decide, eh?

Oh. And 'cause you reckon it's safer not to immunise here's a shot of perfectly healthy polio, measles, Spanish flue#m243.... AND a free one-way ticket to Lepersville.


Hang about .. I'm very very pro-vaccination ... if they don't vaccinate their kids make the fuckers pay the subsequent medical bills ...



And of course you'll return all of their tax $ and ACC contributions etc...?

No. There's plenty of other services those taxes pay for ... including health services for other things ... and catching a disease is not an accident so ACC does not apply ..

[mashman]

No. There's plenty of other services those taxes pay for ... including health services for other things ... and catching a disease is not an accident so ACC does not apply ..

So give back the healthcare element of taxation... that way you can have user pays... which is what you seem to want.

[Edbear]

...despite vaccination

Influenza is constantly mutating and the strains that were prevalent last year will be joined by new strains this year. The flu jab you get offered only covers a few of the strains, so even with having it you may succumb to one of the new ones.

There are far too many strains of the virus to inoculate against all of them, that's why some people benefit from it and some don't. This is far different from the likes of Measles or Chicken Pox, etc.

Might I suggest you educate yourself?

[Banditbandit]

So give back the healthcare element of taxation... that way you can have user pays... which is what you seem to want.

What ??? No ...

What I'm suggesting is that if parents are too stupid, too 'clever' to get their kids vaccinated - i.e. take part in a publicaly-subsidized health prevention programme which keeps everyone safe, then when health issues arise as a result of the lack of vaccination, then parents should be made to pay the full costs of that health issue ...

It's an incentive to get their kids vaccinated ...

I'm NOT suggesting that all subsidized health funding be removed from that family ..

[idb]

So when you get vaccinated you're not vaccinated?
What a fucking joke.
Well at least this kid wont need anymore shots, just got some for free!

Also people that have just been vaccinated can also spread the dieses.

how many shots does a kid have to get?

Try reading for comprehension.
It told you in the article.

Sorry, what was I thinking...
'LOLZ...nedlz suk...mslez suk wurs...too prkz...all dun.'

[Akzle]

Influenza is constantly mutating and the strains that were prevalent last year will be joined by new strains this year. The flu jab you get offered only covers a few of the strains, so even with having it you may succumb to one of the new ones.

There are far too many strains of the virus to inoculate against all of them, that's why some people benefit from it and some don't. This is far different from the likes of Measles or Chicken Pox, etc.

Might I suggest you educate yourself?

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[mashman]

What ??? No ...

What I'm suggesting is that if parents are too stupid, too 'clever' to get their kids vaccinated - i.e. take part in a publicaly-subsidized health prevention programme which keeps everyone safe, then when health issues arise as a result of the lack of vaccination, then parents should be made to pay the full costs of that health issue ...

It's an incentive to get their kids vaccinated ...

I'm NOT suggesting that all subsidized health funding be removed from that family ..

I know, I was fuckin wivya for the main part.

It's not an incentive, it's blackmail, because if you don't do as you are told, you will be punished.

[Banditbandit]

It's not an incentive, it's blackmail, because if you don't do as you are told, you will be punished.


So .. who told you the world was "fair" ????


The resurgence of diseases that were close to eradication fucks it up for everyone ... And the suggestion gives them all the power to make choices .. and the live with the consequences ... there's no compulsion at all ..

If people ignore the subsidized benefits and are prepared to expose their children (and others) to virulent diseases, then why should we bear the cost of their stupidity ???

[mashman]

So .. who told you the world was "fair" ????


The resurgence of diseases that were close to eradication fucks it up for everyone ... And the suggestion gives them all the power to make choices .. and the live with the consequences ... there's no compulsion at all ..

If people ignore the subsidized benefits and are prepared to expose their children (and others) to virulent diseases, then why should we bear the cost of their stupidity ???

heh... that it purposefully isn't is more my pov. It need not be so to the engineered extreme that it is.

I get it, I really do... but I also get the other side of the argument, for whatever reason, including the tfh position and if they're that adamant, then fuck 'em, accept that some diseases won't be eradicated. In the meantime put in a system that instills more confidence in the vaccine that's on offer i.e. take brain scans, blood etc... before and compare to after should the need arise to revisit things. There's no compulsion towards helping the people in Africa either, but more die there from the one thing we just don't have enough of, food <_<. An irony being that the cost of the vaccines going into Africa would likely feed a fuckload more people than would have died from disease. Doh, there I go again with that engineered extreme shit lol.

We bear the cost of far more "stupid" things (like money as an example ;))

We're resting on our laurels and accepting losses (and poverty n shit) instead of kicking our so called technological arses into high gear and finding out exactly why some people get measles and why some people don't etc... We have the tech. Yet it's better to use force or financial penalty in order to ensure compliance. Gah, such laziness ;)

[Akzle]

heh... that it purposefully isn't is more my pov. It need not be so to the engineered extreme that it is.

I get it, I really do... but I also get the other side of the argument, for whatever reason, including the tfh position and if they're that adamant, then fuck 'em, accept that some diseases won't be eradicated. In the meantime put in a system that instills more confidence in the vaccine that's on offer i.e. take brain scans, blood etc... before and compare to after should the need arise to revisit things. There's no compulsion towards helping the people in Africa either, but more die there from the one thing we just don't have enough of, food <_<. An irony being that the cost of the vaccines going into Africa would likely feed a fuckload more people than would have died from disease. Doh, there I go again with that engineered extreme shit lol.

We bear the cost of far more "stupid" things (like money as an example ;))

We're resting on our laurels and accepting losses (and poverty n shit) instead of kicking our so called technological arses into high gear and finding out exactly why some people get measles and why some people don't etc... We have the tech. Yet it's better to use force or financial penalty in order to ensure compliance. Gah, such laziness ;)

rbjiafp .

[Ocean1]

So give back the healthcare element of taxation... that way you can have user pays... which is what you seem to want.

How about we don't charge them for the vaccination they weren't getting charged for in the first place.

Then we can charge them for the extended consequences of their stupidity.

[Akzle]

How about we don't charge them for the vaccination they weren't getting charged for in the first place.

Then we can charge them for the extended consequences of their stupidity.

oh shit's free now??

Tell me more mass'a, i's'a love free shit.


('if its too good to be true...')

[mashman]

How about we don't charge them for the vaccination they weren't getting charged for in the first place.

Then we can charge them for the extended consequences of their stupidity.

I thought they had already been charged for it, ya know, with that tax stuff?

You need a whambulance don't you? or perhaps a hug?

[yokel]

A threat? Which ones is the threat? The factual statement that a .308 bullet to the base of your skull will kill you or the possibly implied threat to tell your mother where you really are?

if you take that .308 bullet to your head you can tell my mother whatever you like.

both my olds have been vaccinated for polio(scar on the shoulder), both have had cancer no family history no smoking blah blah so being vaccinated did it! haha.

but according to the "heath experts" getting cancer comes down to bad luck. WHAT?????

but if you think getting routinely injected with additives and preservatives is a good idea then you keep doing that.
you will actuality be helping your tolerance to being exposed to other chemicals and the like.

[Ocean1]

oh shit's free now??

Of course not. Just shit someone else pays for.

You know about that shit doncha?

[Ocean1]

I thought they had already been charged for it, ya know, with that tax stuff?

Depends. If they're agin' vaccination they're probably all but dole bludgers, pay for fuck all.

[Akzle]

Of course not. Just shit someone else pays for.

You know about that shit doncha?

ahh.
'someone else' is paying to inject everyone with shit.

How nice of them...

[TheDemonLord]

both my olds have been vaccinated for polio(scar on the shoulder), both have had cancer no family history no smoking blah blah so being vaccinated did it! haha.

maybe listening to your half baked conspiracy theories gave them cancer....

[BMWST?]

if you take that .308 bullet to your head you can tell my mother whatever you like.

both my olds have been vaccinated for polio(scar on the shoulder), both have had cancer no family history no smoking blah blah so being vaccinated did it! haha.

but according to the "heath experts" getting cancer comes down to bad luck. WHAT?????

but if you think getting routinely injected with additives and preservatives is a good idea then you keep doing that.
you will actuality be helping your tolerance to being exposed to other chemicals and the like.
Are you claiming that our common vaccinations in NZ cause people to get cancer?

[mashman]

Depends. If they're agin' vaccination they're probably all but dole bludgers, pay for fuck all.

They've already paid shirley? And it must cost about $20 for the vaccination.

[EmBe]

So when you get vaccinated you're not vaccinated?

Also people that have just been vaccinated can also spread the dieses.



My goodness that was painful to read, your education must have ended far far too early.


Nice idea ... but ..

I'd rather suggest that if parents do not vaccinate their children then they should be charged full cost for any medical assistance required if the child gets a disease that vaccination would have prevented.

If they won't take the publicly-funded vaccination/prevention offerings then they should not be given cheap/free cure options ...

Yeah I agree there should be some type of penalty for non-compliance to the recommended vaccination schedule (exemptions for medical contraindications and immuno-compromised children) . There is in Australia; Australian Childhood Immunisation Register, provides information about a child's immunisation status to help determine eligibility for the Australian Government's Child Care Benefit and Family Tax Benefit Part A Supplement payments (source: http://www.humanservices.gov.au/health-professionals/services/australian-childhood-immunisation-register/?utm_id=9). This caused a massive increase in vaccination rates.

Do these anti-vaccer's have conferences, or group gatherings of some kind? Wouldn't be surprised to read about a measles/preventive disease outbreak coinciding with such an event, just naturally or as a bio-terror type attack :no:

[bogan]

Depends. If they're agin' vaccination they're probably all but dole bludgers, pay for fuck all.

Same mindset that's for sure.

[Akzle]

my science has decided that, upon reflection, the sun does revolve around the earth and pluto is a planet again.

also, that we should inject all jews with "substance f" and all fat people with bullets.

[Banditbandit]

my science has decided that, upon reflection, the sun does revolve around the earth


That's entirely plausible .. however the mathematics are much more complicated than the those of the model of the Earth revolving around the Sun .. I'll go with the easier mathematics ...


and pluto is a planet again.



That's not a change in science - that's a change in definition ..

[bogan]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31864218

Well, it's a good start...

[Ocean1]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31864218

Well, it's a good start...

Psychosomatic?

Sure it is, now bend over while I administer this here placebo...

[mashman]

Yeah I agree there should be some type of penalty for non-compliance to the recommended vaccination schedule (exemptions for medical contraindications and immuno-compromised children) . There is in Australia; Australian Childhood Immunisation Register, provides information about a child's immunisation status to help determine eligibility for the Australian Government's Child Care Benefit and Family Tax Benefit Part A Supplement payments (source: http://www.humanservices.gov.au/health-professionals/services/australian-childhood-immunisation-register/?utm_id=9). This caused a massive increase in vaccination rates.

Seems to be the rich in NZ (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/26665865/wealthy-reject-hpv-vaccinations/)

[TheDemonLord]

Seems to be the rich in NZ (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/26665865/wealthy-reject-hpv-vaccinations/)

Thats because Rich Daughters won't be having sex with filthy commoners obviously

They will only be doing it on their wedding night....

[oldrider]

Purely in the interest of balance:http://boughtmovie.net/free-viewing/thank-you.php?AFFID=NONE

[flyingcrocodile46]

Purely in the interest of balance:http://boughtmovie.net/free-viewing/thank-you.php?AFFID=NONE


Yeah good clip.
Why the declaration that you are presenting it for balance when you are neither for nor against?

I'll tell you why. It's because it is glaringly obvious that there is no balance because a portion of those who are locked into fear induced herd mentality are shouting down any dissenting voice that might remotely threaten their (bought and paid for) paranoia driven plan that all the sheep must be injected for the good of all.

Fucking shameful to see sacred little pussies labeling even the most rationally presented (and non biased) opinion as that of a some kind of conspiracy freak out to destroy the world. Stiffiling any kind of real debate or disscussion. Hell, some are so scared that they even voice the opinion that dissenters deserve to be killed off and/or hope that their children are crippled by a preventable disease. That's a whole lot of fear there. Fucking scared little pussies.

I'm not scared of vaccines and would/have willingly take/n them if and when I decide the balance of risks dictate that it is prudent for me to do so. Those who might think that would only happen when hell is threatening to freeze over would be very wrong. I'm not fucking stupid, I just want the right to decide and to voice my concern at the level of propaganda and whitewashing associated with the vaccine industry.

However, if I or my family decided not to take a vaccine and some wanker (whether legalized or not) tried to force us to. I'd kill them deader than any fucking disease they might be scared of. That is a far greater certainty than any bullshit or real forecast mortality rate that might be used to scare brainless sheep into supporting mandatory vaccinations. I ain't alone either.

So all you PC pussies that would jump in and vote yes to a referendum to make any vaccinations mandatory (for the good of the herd) had best factor in the number of sheep that will die enforcing your vote (should you win).

[bogan]

So all you PC pussies that would jump in and vote yes to a referendum to make any vaccinations mandatory (for the good of the herd) had best factor in the number of sheep that will die enforcing your vote (should you win).

And will Sir be factoring in the number that would die if it were not enforced?

[yokel]

And will Sir be factoring in the number that would die if it were not enforced?

the fact is that people who get vaccinated have a 100% chance of dying.

[oldrider]

Yeah good clip.
Why the declaration that you are presenting it for balance when you are neither for nor against?

Thank you for your support but the truth is my computer would not load the movie (which was sent to me by someone who shares my own views) so I had not seen it!

We are due for an upgrade of our Spark exchange! (hopefully :rolleyes:)

On his word that it was interesting and legally factual I posted it on this thread simply for the information of those who bothered or wanted to view it!

I have since viewed the clip and found it interesting that the legal system supported their claim!

I am not anti vaccination - simply anti-mass medication (one size fits all) and pro choice!

[Tazz]

Saw this pop up in convo the other day. Food for thought and well up to Stuffs 'terribly written or we won't publish' standards:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/8199964/We-were-hippies-about-it

[yokel]

Saw this pop up in convo the other day. Food for thought and well up to Stuffs 'terribly written or we won't publish' standards:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/8199964/We-were-hippies-about-it

the tittle 'We were hippies about it' tells me this going to another bias bull shitting article.

'save me daddy' and after 'I let the hippy win. I should have let the science win' I stopped reading it.

[TheDemonLord]

the tittle 'We were hippies about it' tells me this going to another bias bull shitting article.

'save me daddy' and after 'I let the hippy win. I should have let the science win' I stopped reading it.

There is no Bias - you are either for Vaccination, or you are an idiot.

[oldrider]

There is no Bias - you are either for Vaccination, or you are an idiot.

Western medicine? - never wrong and very seldom right: http://drsircus.com/medicine/statin-disaster-heart-disease-and-magnesium-change-in-cholesterol-recommendations#utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=55087d3c84-Article_271&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-55087d3c84-9531509&mc_cid=55087d3c84&mc_eid=783acdf144 .... Blind faith? Gamble? - take your pick! :confused:

[TheDemonLord]

Western medicine? - never wrong and very seldom right: http://drsircus.com/medicine/statin-disaster-heart-disease-and-magnesium-change-in-cholesterol-recommendations#utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=55087d3c84-Article_271&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-55087d3c84-9531509&mc_cid=55087d3c84&mc_eid=783acdf144 .... Blind faith? Gamble? - take your pick! :confused:

Sure - Western medicine (like all sciences) can make errors.

compare infant mortality rates in the western world to 100 years ago or to the 3rd world where there isn't a vaccination program - this isn't a case of its a fringe area or we haven't had sufficient time to gather accurate data.

[Tazz]

the tittle 'We were hippies about it' tells me this going to another bias bull shitting article.

'save me daddy' and after 'I let the hippy win. I should have let the science win' I stopped reading it.

Badly written as mentioned :msn-wink:, but sprinkled with their experience and reversal of hardline anti vaccination views.

[Oscar]

...................................

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11044618_1675330549360870_5199910989538201784_n.jp g?oh=0a70f46a16a7a3e7d0aecee5aab97a5d&oe=55AE0606&__gda__=1433420685_c889a622b41fee0611336812e037872 7

[idb]

...................................

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11044618_1675330549360870_5199910989538201784_n.jp g?oh=0a70f46a16a7a3e7d0aecee5aab97a5d&oe=55AE0606&__gda__=1433420685_c889a622b41fee0611336812e037872 7

From The Onion or somewhere similar I assume?
It's actually quite funny.

[Virago]

But - but - it's on the interwebs, so it must be true...

[Banditbandit]

...................................

(Addict picture chopped)

Bwhahahahaha .... you do know that 100% of heroin users start on milk ...

Do ya want to ban mother's milk???

[yokel]

But - but - it's on the interwebs, so it must be true...

But - but - the TV said I'd be stupid if I dont believe what's the TV tells me....

https://youtu.be/MVaBUgZYikM?t=12m8s

[Tazz]

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/lhk7-5eBCrs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[TheDemonLord]

bwhahahahaha .... You do know that 100% of heroin users start on milk ...

Do ya want to ban mother's milk???

ban dhmo!!!

[Virago]

Western medicine? - never wrong and very seldom right: http://drsircus.com/medicine/statin-disaster-heart-disease-and-magnesium-change-in-cholesterol-recommendations#utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=55087d3c84-Article_271&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-55087d3c84-9531509&mc_cid=55087d3c84&mc_eid=783acdf144 .... Blind faith? Gamble? - take your pick! :confused:

Actually, I have to agree with you on that link. I myself suffered the effects of statin drugs, which are widely used for the treatment of high cholesterol. The memory loss and mental confusion were quite considerable. They don't tell you these things when you start taking it...

[Kickaha]

The memory loss and mental confusion were quite considerable. They don't tell you these things when you start taking it...
Probably dementia and nothing to do with the drugs

[Virago]

Probably dementia and nothing to do with the drugs

Sorry, do I know you?

[Chrislost]

Actually, I have to agree with you on that link. I myself suffered the effects of statin drugs, which are widely used for the treatment of high cholesterol. The memory loss and mental confusion were quite considerable. They don't tell you these things when you start taking it...


you shoulda just eaten better and gone for the odd run

rather than sitting on KB infractionating people.


Sorry, do I know you?

Yup,


Im back

[FJRider]

you shoulda just eaten better and gone for the odd run

rather than sitting on KB infractionating people.



Yup,


Im back

A bit negative in that post fella .... get you act together if you have already accused others (ME) of doing the same (????) thing.

[yokel]

'Christchurch measles diagnoses retracted' haha what a fucking joke!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/67521000/christchurch-measles-diagnoses-retracted

"It is better to be safe than sorry with such a serious, contagious disease, though we acknowledge that a suspect measles case can cause stress in the community – especially for parents of un-immunised children,"

yeah, just keep speeding the fear.

[idb]

That's not a problem with the medicine, that's a problem with the people giving it to you.
You should be told what the side effects will be.



Just getting used to this mobile option.
This was meant for you Virago.


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[idb]

'Christchurch measles diagnoses retracted' haha what a fucking joke!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/67521000/christchurch-measles-diagnoses-retracted

"It is better to be safe than sorry with such a serious, contagious disease, though we acknowledge that a suspect measles case can cause stress in the community – especially for parents of un-immunised children,"

yeah, just keep speeding the fear.

Why's it a joke?
You don't fuck around while you figure out what's making people sick
Measles is one of the most infectious diseases there is.
It takes time to diagnose an infection...it's just the way it works.



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[TheDemonLord]

That's not a problem with the medicine, that's a problem with the people giving it to you.
You should be told what the side effects will be.

I always check the side effects on the packaging and on Reputable websites - maybe some people need to simply pay a little bit of attention......

[Akzle]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/fundamental_forces.png

[Oakie]

That's not a problem with the medicine, that's a problem with the people giving it to you.
You should be told what the side effects will be.

With ours at work we get an A4 FAQ sheet that includes all the side effects. Just gotta read it.

[oldrider]

Vaccines are 100% safe? The manufacturers do not believe that - yet they continuously try to get you to believe it to be true!

Did you know that vaccine manufacturers acknowledge that their vaccines cause autism, SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) and many other horrific side effects* ?
(* idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea.)

These side effects are actually printed in the vaccine inserts that the patient never gets to see. Here is a three minute video showing how you can view this document hidden away on the FDA's own website;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r56CEZtGMp8&list=UU3r0f8a9LXNlD_FCqAr3Ubg

(and they have the audacity to be currently publicizing in the USA that vaccines are 100% safe!).

I read this and thought it worthy of posting on this KB thread for your consideration! - Think about TPPA when you have had a good look at this - is it relevant for us? This is my line!

[Oscar]

Vaccines are 100% safe? The manufacturers do not believe that - yet they continuously try to get you to believe it to be true!



(and they have the audacity to be currently publicizing in the USA that vaccines are 100% safe!).

I read this and thought it worthy of posting on this KB thread for your consideration!

OK, I'll bite:

WHO says Vaccines are 100% safe?

Also who are THEY, as in "...they have the audacity to be currently publicizing in the USA that vaccines are 100% safe."

[oldrider]

OK, I'll bite:

WHO says Vaccines are 100% safe?

Also who are THEY, as in "...they have the audacity to be currently publicizing in the USA that vaccines are 100% safe."

Oscar - lets not get into a slinging confrontation - I read this stuff and thought it would be of interest to posters on this thread!

The material answers your questions - I am simply the messenger here! - The bits that refer to are actually quotes - not mine!

[Oscar]

Oscar - lets not get into a slinging confrontation - I read this stuff and thought it would be of interest to posters on this thread!

The material answers your questions - I am simply the messenger here! - The bits that refer to are actually quotes - not mine!

Oh come on - you're trolling.

The first place I looked was the Centers For Disease Control, which I am assuming comes squarely under your definition of "THEY".

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccine_Monitoring/history.html

And what do "they" say:


Vaccines are the best defense we have against infectious diseases; however, no vaccine is actually 100% safe or effective for everyone because each person’s body reacts to vaccines differently


This is in the second paragraph for fucks sake.

So who are these bodies that you seem think are worthy of excalmation marks?
The people who say that vaccines are 100% safe?

The fact is that vaccines are not 100% safe and I'd love to see you prove that anyone selling or administring these ever said they were...

[oldrider]

Start again Oscar - the "they" are in material - read the bits I copied and pasted and the link! I edited my post with my comment in bold! - No not a troll!

Sorry - the quotes are from another circular that is not represented there - my bad - the link is what I really thought would be interesting! (or not)

I see why you could think I was trolling - can't post the whole circular though sorry.

[Oscar]

Start again Oscar - the "they" are in material - read the bits I copied and pasted and the link! I edited my post with my comment in bold! - No not a troll!

You said "...yet they continuously try to get you to believe it to be true!"
Who are "they" and where is any evidence of this continous process?

[rebel1987]

we should all stop wearing helmets because they give some people hat hair.

[oldrider]

You said "...yet they continuously try to get you to believe it to be true!"
Who are "they" and where is any evidence of this continous process?

Yeh - like I said I fucked up I edited my last post - thought it was included in the link. :rolleyes:

[oldrider]

Side effects are actually printed in the vaccine inserts that the patient never gets to see. Here is a three minute video showing how you can view this document hidden away on the FDA's own website;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r56CEZtGMp8&list=UU3r0f8a9LXNlD_FCqAr3Ubg[/B]

Cocked up earlier post. - thought it might be of interest for inclusion on this thread. - So have cut out irrelevant quote material - click on link above.

[Oscar]

Cocked up earlier post. - thought it might be of interest for inclusion on this thread. - So have cut out irrelevant quote material - click on link above.

Perhaps you could have just headed up the post "Risks of Vaccination" without all the hyperbole about what the manufacturers "want you to believe" or "..the audacity to be currently publicizing in the USA that vaccines are 100% safe!". .

I have never seen anyone credible saying that vaccines are 100% safe or reliable - but they are better than the alternative.

[Banditbandit]

I have never seen anyone credible saying that vaccines are 100% safe or reliable - but they are better than the alternative.

Life is not 100% safe or reliable - though I get the impression that some people think it either is or should be ...

[oldrider]

Perhaps you could have just headed up the post "Risks of Vaccination" without all the hyperbole about what the manufacturers "want you to believe" or "..the audacity to be currently publicizing in the USA that vaccines are 100% safe!". .

I have never seen anyone credible saying that vaccines are 100% safe or reliable - but they are better than the alternative.

True! - o/r must do better in future! :spanking:

[Oscar]

Life is not 100% safe or reliable - though I get the impression that some people think it either is or should be ...

Yes, life is not safe or reliable (at least my life isn't), but it is better than the alternative.

[Banditbandit]

Yes, life is not safe or reliable (at least my life isn't), but it is better than the alternative.

Oh ??? You have experienced an alternative???

(Please don't tell me you were abducted by aliens .. I think better of you ... and such a response would destroy that)

[Oscar]

Oh ??? You have experienced an alternative???

(Please don't tell me you were abducted by aliens .. I think better of you ... and such a response would destroy that)

The alternative to life?
A dirt nap.

[oldrider]

Oh ??? You have experienced an alternative???

(Please don't tell me you were abducted by aliens .. I think better of you ... and such a response would destroy that)

Never ever thought of you as gay but surprised if you are not an alien! :killingme

[Ocean1]

Anti-vaccination parents to lose benefits under new policy:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/baby/caring-for-baby/67702954/antivaccination-parents-to-lose-benefits-under-new-policy

[oldrider]

Anti-vaccination parents to lose benefits under new policy:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/baby/caring-for-baby/67702954/antivaccination-parents-to-lose-benefits-under-new-policy

Nothing less than evil blackmail by a political leader bereft of ideas and sensible solutions! :brick:

[Oakie]

Nothing less than evil blackmail by a political leader bereft of ideas and sensible solutions! :brick:

I agree. I'm definitely in the pro-vaccination camp but I think forcing people to have vacciinations in this way isn't right.

[bogan]

Slippery slope, but nobody is forcing shit.

If you want to be a ward of the state, then let the state take care of your children; both for their good, and to minimise the cost.

My concern is it will make some unvaccinated and hungry.

[yokel]

People that accept assistance from state make not their fate.

If this doesn't wake people up to the racket that is vaccinating nothing will.

The corps that support the TPPA will love this shit

[Ocean1]

I agree. I'm definitely in the pro-vaccination camp but I think forcing people to have vacciinations in this way isn't right.

They're not forcing anyone to vaccinate their kids. They're simply saying if you decline to immunise your kids then you're a health risk and won't be eligible for some health subsidies.

Good call. The consequences of not immunising your kids are of a higher order than a few bucks for everyone else, but it's a start.

[TheDemonLord]

My concern is it will make some unvaccinated and hungry.

Then they will probably die quicker - and the master plan works

[oldrider]

They're not forcing anyone to vaccinate their kids. They're simply saying if you decline to immunise your kids then you're a health risk and won't be eligible for some health subsidies.

Good call. The consequences of not immunising your kids are of a higher order than a few bucks for everyone else, but it's a start.

Money media music and medicine - imagine the power of less than honest people in total control of these vital human services?

But of course that couldn't happen and to suggest that it is would immediately be flagged as conspiracy theorist material.

Only lowly insignificant people are attracted to evil deeds and criminal activities - high powered crime is only for the movies and books.

We must learn to trust and obey without question those in high places of world society. :laugh: - suckers :corn:

[mashman]

Money media music and medicine - imagine the power of less than honest people in total control of these vital human services?

But of course that couldn't happen and to suggest that it is would immediately be flagged as conspiracy theorist material.

Only lowly insignificant people are attracted to evil deeds and criminal activities - high powered crime is only for the movies and books.

We must learn to trust and obey without question those in high places of world society. :laugh: - suckers :corn:

+1... they always seem to take the easy root.

[Oscar]

Money media music and medicine - imagine the power of less than honest people in total control of these vital human services?

But of course that couldn't happen and to suggest that it is would immediately be flagged as conspiracy theorist material.

Only lowly insignificant people are attracted to evil deeds and criminal activities - high powered crime is only for the movies and books.

We must learn to trust and obey without question those in high places of world society. :laugh: - suckers :corn:

Do you honestly believe this crap?
There is no conspiracy about vaccination and we'll never see the NZ Govt acting on benefits to force this issue for the simple reason that it is electoral poison.
I'm surprised that the Aussies had the balls to propose this (although I do share others concerns regarding unvaccinated children going without).

[oldrider]

Do you honestly believe this crap?
There is no conspiracy about vaccination and we'll never see the NZ Govt acting on benefits to force this issue for the simple reason that it is electoral poison.
I'm surprised that the Aussies had the balls to propose this (although I do share others concerns regarding unvaccinated children going without).

Standing shoulder to shoulder as we gaze out upon the world - that we each see different things is neither right nor wrong!

To force our views each upon the other however is a different ballgame - some might rightly call it a criminal act!

In my view compulsory mass medication is a criminal act!

[Oscar]

Standing shoulder to shoulder as we gaze out upon the world - that we each see different things is neither right nor wrong!

To force our views each upon the other however is a different ballgame - some might rightly call it a criminal act!

In my view compulsory mass medication is a criminal act!
As far as I'm aware it is not compulsary in NZ to vaccinate.
It's quite simple - if you receive the benefits of society you must accept the resposibility that goes with it.
Which side of the road do you drive on?
Somebody has decided that for you, so why don't you drive on the other side?

So, by all means - refuse to vaccinate your kids, but why should you expect to have those kids go to a school provided by the tax payer?
Why should you expect your kids to be protected by the fact that I vaccinate my kids?

[Oscar]

+1... they always seem to take the easy root.

I'd imagine you'd be an easy root.

[oldrider]

As far as I'm aware it is not compulsary in NZ to vaccinate.
It's quite simple - if you receive the benefits of society you must accept the resposibility that goes with it.
Which side of the road do you drive on?
Somebody has decided that for you, so why don't you drive on the other side?

So, by all means - refuse to vaccinate your kids, but why should you expect to have those kids go to a school provided by the tax payer?
Why should you expect your kids to be protected by the fact that I vaccinate my kids?

I wont be moving to Australia - I was born here and choose to remain here and try to avoid areas of compulsory mass medication i.e. water bread salt etc etc.

I live in an area that has clean unadulterated water - it costs more to live here but that is my choice.

If I was dissatisfied with driving on the left side of the road I would go somewhere that does what I prefer.

I do not disagree with the theory of or the benefits of vaccination (I have misgivings about some of the components) I believe the choice is mine not the state.

The fact that your kids have been vaccinated is not proven to be any protective advantage to mine that is simply supposition.

Children are required by law to go to school - as a taxpayer myself am I getting something from you for nothing?

Our bodies have natural immune systems for protection from disease in some cases our immune systems have been compromised and disease takes advantage.

Best focus on keeping our immune systems in optimum condition to help our bodies remain healthy as primary means of protection.

Anyway it is not vaccination that I am opposed to it is compulsion as opposed to individual choice that I am opposed to!

[mashman]

I'd imagine you'd be an easy root.

Can you please remove me from your imagination. I doubt your mental projection of me is enjoying itself.

[Akzle]

As far as I'm aware it is not compulsary in NZ to vaccinate.
It's quite simple - if you receive the benefits of society you must accept the resposibility that goes with it.
Which side of the road do you drive on?
Somebody has decided that for you, so why don't you drive on the other side?

So, by all means - refuse to vaccinate your kids, but why should you expect to have those kids go to a school provided by the tax payer?
Why should you expect your kids to be protected by the fact that I vaccinate my kids?

:shit:

you're a fucken nazi and shit.

if no-one's using the other side of the road, i will.

what if i don't want your sick, indoctrinated, medicated, unhealthy, drop-kick fucken spwans contaminating the school my children go to?
how about put all the medicated dweebs in one area. lets call it a city. and MAKE THEM ALL FUCKEN STAY THERE and NOT SEND ANY FOOD OR WATER IN

and see how fucken well you get on.

and if that doesn't achieve my objective, we swap the flourine for zyklon b.

[oldrider]

Simple ways to improve health and immune system:http://magbicarb.com/?utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=09a40eba9a-Article_280&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-09a40eba9a-9531509&mc_cid=09a40eba9a&mc_eid=783acdf144

[RDJ]

Then they will probably die quicker - and the master plan works

The basic problem is that if there are enough people who decided that their children won't be vaccinated, overall "herd immunity" falls below the point where it protects the larger population, and the rest of us suffer for the stupidities of the worried well.

[RDJ]

:shit:

you're a fucken nazi and shit.

if no-one's using the other side of the road, i will.

what if i don't want your sick, indoctrinated, medicated, unhealthy, drop-kick fucken spwans contaminating the school my children go to?
how about put all the medicated dweebs in one area. lets call it a city. and MAKE THEM ALL FUCKEN STAY THERE and NOT SEND ANY FOOD OR WATER IN

and see how fucken well you get on.

and if that doesn't achieve my objective, we swap the flourine for zyklon b.

...And this time, you have truly caricatured yourself even more than usual.

[Oakie]

:shit:

you're a fucken nazi ....blah blah blah ... and if that doesn't achieve my objective, we swap the flourine for zyklon b.

Ahh the delicious irony.

Alternative comment: Pot - kettle

[mashman]

If any government really had the balls the following solution would be on the table:

We deliberately start a measles epidemic in every country at the same time so the the vast majority of the population will be done and dusted within a couple of months. Then it'd be over and done with and no one would need vaccinated ever again.

Balls = none.

[pete376403]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/67706280/antivaxxer-mother-recants-after-her-seven-children-contract-whooping-cough

[Oscar]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/67706280/antivaxxer-mother-recants-after-her-seven-children-contract-whooping-cough

Interesting.
She's finding out that the decision is not one you make based on trying to look cool with your mates at the coffee shop or arguing on the interweb.
It's a decision you make based on the future health of your child.

[yokel]

Interesting.
She's finding out that the decision is not one you make based on trying to look cool with your mates at the coffee shop or arguing on the interweb.
It's a decision you make based on the future health of your child.

That emotional nonsense is just MSM propaganda ya Muppet

[Oscar]

That emotional nonsense is just MSM propaganda ya Muppet

It may be emotional, but it isn't nonsense.
It is an informed decision - there are risks involved with vaccines, but the protection they give is worth that risk.
Easy as that.

[Paul in NZ]

Too lazy to make it bigger

[jonbuoy]

Flying Croc at 45 seconds in:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yJD1Iwy5lUY

[oldrider]

It may be emotional, but it isn't nonsense.
It is an informed decision - there are risks involved with vaccines, but the protection they give is worth that risk.
Easy as that.

Quite true but there are two sides to every coin!

Quote from above: It is an informed decision - there are risks involved with vaccines but the perceived protection in this case is not worth that risk!

No! - Not as easy as that in every case - when in doubt - check it out - make it always a truly informed choice and decision!

When you think about it we are singing from the same song sheet, obvious difference is that you have not encountered any problems - long may that continue!

[yokel]

Too lazy to make it bigger

polio like the other viruses that were not unaccented for was on its way out with or with out vaccines.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/67953011/flu-survivor-says-get-vaccinated

get vaccinated get vaccinated get vaccinated come on you complaisant cunts, get vaccinated.

[Oakie]

13 of my staff got vaccinated today. No one died! 21 more staff get done on Tuesday. I'm picking none of them will die either.

[Virago]

13 of my staff got vaccinated today. No one died! 21 more staff get done on Tuesday. I'm picking none of them will die either.

Yeah, but they'll all get autism though...

[Akzle]

13 of my staff got vaccinated today. No one died! 21 more staff get done on Tuesday. I'm picking none of them will die either.

i imagine theyre all going to die.

[mada]

polio like the other viruses that were not unaccented for was on its way out with or with out vaccines.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/67953011/flu-survivor-says-get-vaccinated

get vaccinated get vaccinated get vaccinated come on you complaisant cunts, get vaccinated.


Yeh polio was on its way out... a disease that had been around for thousands of years and still had 300,000+ cases in 1988. :facepalm:

How about the NWO forcing all car passengers and drivers to wear safety belts when there is the tiny risk of a haemothorax or thoracic injuries and death compared to say not wearing...... in which case your chances of death a very fucking high:facepalm:

[Oakie]

Yeah, but they'll all get autism though... The irony is that many of them actually support people who have autism and they have a pretty good handle on the non-link between autism and vaccines.


i imagine theyre all going to die. Yes, but not today.

[PrincessBandit]

Just got mine done at school 20 mins ago. I'm still alive. I will die. One day; I'm not counting on it being today though...

[oldrider]

Just got mine done at school 20 mins ago. I'm still alive. I will die. One day; I'm not counting on it being today though...

Your choice - I use another process and I too am not dead yet either - suffice to say it is working for us - so far! :shifty: - hopefully I die before you do! :bleh:

[Akzle]

widely known that women live longer than men. The question is asked, why do husbands die before their wives?


...they WANT TO

[Oscar]

Your choice - I use another process and I too am not dead yet either - suffice to say it is working for us - so far! :shifty: - hopefully I die before you do! :bleh:

So how did you avoid Polio?

[oldrider]

So how did you avoid Polio?

Apparently it didn't fancy me! :)

[flyingcrocodile46]

I see that the ever fearful sheep are still so terrified of having their faith in state threatened by the suggestion of an even slightly contrary opinions that rather than even pretending to enter into honest discourse, they seek to deny any middle ground traction for those opinions in their tiny little minds by cunningly:rolleyes: painting those opinions as being at the extreme opposite end of the spectrum as their own fear inspired doctrine.

What a bunch of terrified simpletons.

[Oscar]

Apparently it didn't fancy me! :)

So it died out in NZ because everyone was unattractive like you?

[Oscar]

I see that the ever fearful sheep are still so terrified of having their faith in state threatened by the suggestion of an even slightly contrary opinions that rather than even pretending to enter into honest discourse, they seek to deny any middle ground traction for those opinions in their tiny little minds by cunningly:rolleyes: painting those opinions as being at the extreme opposite end of the spectrum as their own fear inspired doctrine.

What a bunch of terrified simpletons.

What's it like being so much smarter than everyone else?
Did you have to enlarge your mantelpiece to take the extra nobel prizes?

[mada]

I see that the ever fearful sheep are still so terrified of having their faith in state threatened by the suggestion of an even slightly contrary opinions that rather than even pretending to enter into honest discourse, they seek to deny any middle ground traction for those opinions in their tiny little minds by cunningly:rolleyes: painting those opinions as being at the extreme opposite end of the spectrum as their own fear inspired doctrine.

What a bunch of terrified simpletons.

so if you came of your bike and needed medical attention you wouldn't entrust your life with the doctors and nurses who tell people they should be getting vaccinated right? :confused:

[flyingcrocodile46]

What's it like being so much smarter than everyone else?
Did you have to enlarge your mantelpiece to take the extra nobel prizes?

Not smarter. I just have a different perspective.

We all have our own version of Plato's cave that nurtures the illusion we think of as our life experiences. All you have to do to gain a bigger perspective is to ignore your fear and remove your head from your cave to look around and smell the roses from time to time. The shadows and shitty smell will then be revealed for that which they are.

[flyingcrocodile46]

so if you came of your bike and needed medical attention you wouldn't entrust your life with the doctors and nurses who tell people they should be getting vaccinated right? :confused:

Brilliant example of exactly what I described. Well done :rolleyes:

You only have to read my posts in this thread to see what a pointless stupid question that is. But, we all know that it wasn't a question at all. It was simply another fearful muppet camouflaging the unpalatable with something easier to deny.

[Oscar]

Not smarter. I just have a different perspective.

We all have our own version of Plato's cave that nurtures the illusion we think of as our life experiences. All you have to do to gain a bigger perspective is to ignore your fear and remove your head from your cave to look around and smell the roses from time to time. The shadows will then be revealed for that which they are.

The irony is that you claim to have a different perspective yet your posts read like totalitarian propaganda.

[Oscar]

Brilliant example of exactly what I described. Well done :rolleyes:

You only have to read my posts in this thread to see what a pointless stupid question that is.

Glad to see that from your position of enlightenment you are prepared to enter into meaningful discourse with dissenters.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Glad to see that from your position of enlightenment you are prepared to enter into meaningful discourse with dissenters.

Experience has taught me that sometimes the lick of flame is the best teacher .

Take my more kindly attempt (a couple of posts ago) to tell you to pull your head out of your arse. It just confused you didn't it?

[oldrider]

So it died out in NZ because everyone was unattractive like you?

What answer would you like me to give you then? - I think I remember two actual Polio outbreaks when I was a kid - we weren't allowed to go to school for weeks!

We also had to wear the compulsory camphor blocks around our necks :rolleyes: at all times! - Lots of kids got knocked down by it!

There was a girl my age who spent the rest of her life in an iron lung that kept her alive - I never stopped thinking about that girl - even today!

I think she was hospitalised in Burwood and presume that to be located in Christchurch - I had a full life - she had a life in a lung! - I believe she had a great attitude!

[Oscar]

Experience has taught me that sometimes the lick of flame is the best teacher .

Take my more kindly attempt (a couple of posts ago) to tell you to pull your head out of your arse. It just confused you didn't it?

No it didn't.
I've encountered zealots before.

[flyingcrocodile46]

No it didn't.
I've encountered zealots before.

Liar, liar pants on fire

[oldrider]

So how did you avoid Polio?

Here's a little history on Polio vaccines: http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/timelines/polio - I was born in 1939.

A history of Polio in New Zealand (long but you might find conclusions interesting enough): http://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/bitstream/10092/6840/1/ross_thesis.pdf

[bogan]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZpOHIzkLP-g" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Fitting...

[Katman]

This link could be posted in any number of recent threads - but this one will do for the moment.

http://wakeup-world.com/2015/04/23/how-much-more-evidence-do-we-need-to-take-action-revolution/

[Ocean1]

This link could be posted in any number of recent threads - but this one will do for the moment.

http://wakeup-world.com/2015/04/23/how-much-more-evidence-do-we-need-to-take-action-revolution/

Belongs here: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/109015-Friday-jokes

[mashman]

Belongs here: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/109015-Friday-jokes

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b9/85/ba/b985bada8f851caee27aa0d07f7b3e55.jpg

[Katman]

Belongs here: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/109015-Friday-jokes

Today's Saturday.

[yokel]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b9/85/ba/b985bada8f851caee27aa0d07f7b3e55.jpg

A vaccine a day keeps the doctor away?

Isn't funny that the big pharmaceutical corps answer to 'prevention is better than cure' is well more pharmaceuticals

[Ocean1]

Today's Saturday.

No worries, it'll still be funny as fuck in six days time.

[flyingcrocodile46]

This link could be posted in any number of recent threads - but this one will do for the moment.

http://wakeup-world.com/2015/04/23/how-much-more-evidence-do-we-need-to-take-action-revolution/

Amen!


Recent decades have seen a massive proliferation of such elite planning organizations, many operating openly with benign names like the Rand Corporation, the Stanford Institute, the Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegie Institute, the Red Cross, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Institute for the Advancement of the Sciences, the Ford Foundation, the Sierra Club, the Jesuit Society of Jesus and many many more.Most hypno-zombies don’t think anything of such organizations. After all, like the “Patriot Act”, they must be for out collective good.


Fits well in the anarchy thread too

[mashman]

Isn't funny that the big pharmaceutical corps answer to 'prevention is better than cure' is well more pharmaceuticals

Honestly I give a shit not... but I would like to know what it best for us without there being even the slightest hint of industry driving an agenda that's really missing the point. It looks to be an important thing that I should be able to take for granted.

[Katman]

No worries, it'll still be funny as fuck in six days time.

So will you be.

Baaaa.

[mashman]

Amen!

Fits well in the anarchy thread too

Which also describes how Resource Based Economy roll.

[idb]

Honestly I give a shit not... but I would like to know what it best for us without there being even the slightest hint of industry driving an agenda that's really missing the point. It looks to be an important thing that I should be able to take for granted.

Who would you accept as sufficiently non-industry?
Doctors?
Scientists?
Researchers?
Academics?

Maybe you mean that you'd prefer the likes of;
Playboy bunnies?
Afternoon TV talk-show hosts?
Comedic actors?
Politicians?

[Akzle]

Who would you accept as sufficiently non-industry?
Doctors?
Scientists?
Researchers?
Academics?

Maybe you mean that you'd prefer the likes of;
Playboy bunnies?
Afternoon TV talk-show hosts?
Comedic actors?
Politicians?

i dont think you understand the question.

[idb]

i dont think you understand the question.

Entirely possible.

[Ocean1]

i dont think you understand the question.

You're confused, he was the one doing the asking.

[bogan]

Who would you accept as sufficiently non-industry?
Doctors?
Scientists?
Researchers?
Academics?

Maybe you mean that you'd prefer the likes of;
Playboy bunnies?
Afternoon TV talk-show hosts?
Comedic actors?
Politicians?

To people like him, any pro industry conclusion is insufficiently non-industry. Most antivaccers share the same 'logic' I've noticed.

[mashman]

Who would you accept as sufficiently non-industry?
Doctors?
Scientists?
Researchers?
Academics?

Maybe you mean that you'd prefer the likes of;
Playboy bunnies?
Afternoon TV talk-show hosts?
Comedic actors?
Politicians?

Those who put people first and then service their own agenda.

The likes of people who are pro-people... and Playboy bunnies. Especially funny ones.

[mashman]

To people like him, any pro industry conclusion is insufficiently non-industry. Most antivaccers share the same 'logic' I've noticed.

Am I an anti-vaccer? Such arsumption makes you silly vagina.

[bogan]

Am I an anti-vaccer? Such arsumption makes you silly vagina.

No such assumption was made in that post, but by your reply above I see the assumption I did make panned out :laugh:

[mashman]

No such assumption was made in that post, but by your reply above I see the assumption I did make panned out :laugh:

Like I said, silly vagina.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Read and follow links or watch the video for the 3 minute version.

This is why people with more than half a brain continue to question the wisdom of blindly following Pharma industry/ CDC/ Govt dictates as to medical treatment and in particular vaccines. Because it is simple idiocy. Be aware of the risks before you accept their advice.


https://youtu.be/4absF7ykstc


Contaminated haemophilia blood products were a serious public health problem in the late 1970s through 1985. These products caused large numbers of haemophiliacs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haemophilia) to become infected with HIV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV) and hepatitis C (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis_C). The companies involved included Alpha Therapeutic Corporation, Institut Mérieux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_M%C3%A9rieux) (which then became Rhone-Poulenc Rorer Inc., and is now part of Sanofi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanofi)), Bayer Corporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_Corporation) and its Cutter Biological (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories) division, Baxter International (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baxter_International) and its Hyland Pharmaceutical division.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes1996-1) Estimates range from 6,000 to 10,000 haemophiliacs in the United States becoming infected with HIV.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes1996-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-SFChron-2)
Factor VIII is a protein that helps the clotting of blood, which haemophiliacs, due to the genetic nature of their condition, are unable to produce themselves. By injecting themselves with it, hemophiliacs can stop bleeding or prevent bleeding from starting; some use it as often as three times a week.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
In 1981 concern was growing over an unidentified infectious disease associated with immune system collapse that would later become known as AIDS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS). In the U.S. it was found mostly in homosexual men and intravenous drug users, while in France doctors were finding it in a more diverse group of patients.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-4) On July 16, 1982, the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_and_Prevention) (CDC) reported that three haemophiliacs had acquired the disease.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Epidemiologists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiologist) started to believe that the disease was being spread through blood products, with grave implications for haemophiliacs who had routinely injected themselves with concentrate made from large pools of donated plasma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_plasma), much of which was collected commercially by plasmapheresis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasmapheresis) in cities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities) that had many homosexuals, IV drug users and former prisoners, as well as inside many prisons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Without an accurate infection test, health officials had no way to determine how many plasma donors carried it.
In January 1983, the manager of plasma procurement for Bayer's Cutter Biological division acknowledged in a letter that "There is strong evidence to suggest that AIDS is passed on to other people through ... plasma products."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) In March 1983, the CDC warned that blood products "appear responsible for AIDS among haemophilia patients."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) By May 1983, a Cutter rival began making a heat-treated concentrate and France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France) decided to halt all clotting concentrate imports.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
Cutter feared losing customers, so according to an internal memo, Cutter "want[ed] to give the impression that [they were] continuously improving our product without telling them [they expected] soon to also have a heat-treated" concentrate.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) The process rendered the virus "undetectable" in the product, according to a government study.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
By June 1983, a Cutter letter to distributors in France and 20 other countries said that "AIDS has become the center of irrational response in many countries" and that "This is of particular concern to us because of unsubstantiated speculations that this syndrome may be transmitted by certain blood products."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) France continued using older style, untreated concentrate through until August, 1983.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
Sales to Asia and Latin America
On February 29, 1984, Cutter became the last of the four major blood product companies to get US approval to sell heated concentrate.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Even after Cutter began selling the new product, for several months, until August 1984, the company continued making the old medicine.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) One reason was that the company had several fixed-price contracts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-price_contract) and believed that the old product would be cheaper to produce.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
Bayer officials (responding on behalf of Cutter) issued a statement, stating that Cutter continued to sell the old medicine, "because some customers doubted the new drug's effectiveness", and because some countries were slow to approve its sale. The company also said that a shortage of plasma, used to make the medicine, had kept Cutter from manufacturing more of the new product."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Bayer officials also claimed that an overall plasma shortage in 1985 kept Cutter from making more heat treated medicine; however, because Cutter was using some of its limited plasma to continue making the old product, they may have contributed to the shortage.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) While Bayer said that "procedural requirements" imposed by Taiwan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan) slowed down their ability to sell the new product, according to The New York Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times), Hsu Chien-wen, an official at Taiwan's health department, said in 2003 that Cutter had not applied for permission to sell the heated medicine until July 1985, a year and a half after doing so in the United States.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Cindy Lai, assistant director of Hong Kong's health department, said that Cutter needed only to get an import license in the 1980s to sell the newer product in which "It normally [takes] one week."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
While the new product was selling well for Cutter, a Cutter company meeting notes that "There is excess nonheated inventory", which resulted in the company deciding to "review international markets again to determine if more of this product can be sold."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Cutter decided to sell millions of dollars of the older medicine to Asia and Latin America while selling the new, safer product in the West, to avoid being stuck with large stores of a product that was proving increasingly unmarketable.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
In late 1984, when a Hong Kong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong) distributor asked Cutter about the newer product, records show that Cutter asked the distributor to "use up stocks" of the old medicine before switching to its "safer, better" product.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Several months later, once haemophiliacs in Hong Kong began testing positive for HIV, some local doctors began to question whether Cutter was dumping "AIDS tainted" medicine into less-developed countries.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Cutter denied the allegation, claiming that the unheated product posed "no severe hazard" and was in fact the "same fine product we have supplied for years."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) By May 1985, when the Hong Kong distributor told of an impending medical emergency, asking for the newer product, Cutter replied that most of the new medicine was going to the US and Europe and there wasn't enough for Hong Kong, except for a small amount for the "most vocal patients."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
The United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) Food and Drug Administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_Drug_Administration) helped to keep the news out of the public eye. In May 1985, the FDA's regulator of blood products, Harry M. Meyer Jr., believing the companies had broken a voluntary agreement to withdraw the old medicine from the market, called together officials of the companies and ordered them to comply.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Cutter's notes from the meeting indicate that Meyer asked that the issue be "quietly solved without alerting the Congress, the medical community and the public" while another company noted that the FDA wanted the matter solved "quickly and quietly."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
At the same time, a Cutter official wrote that "It appears there are no longer any markets in the Far East where we can expect to sell substantial quantities of nonheat-treated [medicine]" and stopped shipping unheated concentrate in July 1985.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
According to The New York Times, doctors and patients contacted overseas said they had not known of the contents of the Cutter documents. The effects are close to impossible to calculate. Since many records are unavailable and because it was a while until an AIDS test was developed, one cannot know when foreign haemophiliacs were infected with HIV - before Cutter began selling its safer medicine or afterward.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
The New York Times found these largely unnoticed documents ("internal memorandums, minutes of company marketing meetings and telexes to foreign distributors") as part of the production in connection with the American haemophiliacs lawsuits described below.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Sidney M. Wolfe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_M._Wolfe), director of the Public Citizen Health Research Group, which has been investigating the industry's practices for three decades, called them "the most incriminating internal pharmaceutical industry documents I have ever seen."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)

[idb]

Read and follow links or watch the video for the 3 minute version.

This is why people with more than half a brain continue to question the wisdom of blindly following Pharma industry/ CDC/ Govt dictates as to medical treatment and in particular vaccines. Because it is simple idiocy. Be aware of the risks before you accept their advice.


https://youtu.be/4absF7ykstc


Contaminated haemophilia blood products were a serious public health problem in the late 1970s through 1985. These products caused large numbers of haemophiliacs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haemophilia) to become infected with HIV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV) and hepatitis C (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis_C). The companies involved included Alpha Therapeutic Corporation, Institut Mérieux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_M%C3%A9rieux) (which then became Rhone-Poulenc Rorer Inc., and is now part of Sanofi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanofi)), Bayer Corporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_Corporation) and its Cutter Biological (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories) division, Baxter International (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baxter_International) and its Hyland Pharmaceutical division.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes1996-1) Estimates range from 6,000 to 10,000 haemophiliacs in the United States becoming infected with HIV.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes1996-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-SFChron-2)
Factor VIII is a protein that helps the clotting of blood, which haemophiliacs, due to the genetic nature of their condition, are unable to produce themselves. By injecting themselves with it, hemophiliacs can stop bleeding or prevent bleeding from starting; some use it as often as three times a week.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
In 1981 concern was growing over an unidentified infectious disease associated with immune system collapse that would later become known as AIDS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS). In the U.S. it was found mostly in homosexual men and intravenous drug users, while in France doctors were finding it in a more diverse group of patients.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-4) On July 16, 1982, the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_and_Prevention) (CDC) reported that three haemophiliacs had acquired the disease.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Epidemiologists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiologist) started to believe that the disease was being spread through blood products, with grave implications for haemophiliacs who had routinely injected themselves with concentrate made from large pools of donated plasma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_plasma), much of which was collected commercially by plasmapheresis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasmapheresis) in cities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities) that had many homosexuals, IV drug users and former prisoners, as well as inside many prisons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Without an accurate infection test, health officials had no way to determine how many plasma donors carried it.
In January 1983, the manager of plasma procurement for Bayer's Cutter Biological division acknowledged in a letter that "There is strong evidence to suggest that AIDS is passed on to other people through ... plasma products."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) In March 1983, the CDC warned that blood products "appear responsible for AIDS among haemophilia patients."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) By May 1983, a Cutter rival began making a heat-treated concentrate and France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France) decided to halt all clotting concentrate imports.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
Cutter feared losing customers, so according to an internal memo, Cutter "want[ed] to give the impression that [they were] continuously improving our product without telling them [they expected] soon to also have a heat-treated" concentrate.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) The process rendered the virus "undetectable" in the product, according to a government study.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
By June 1983, a Cutter letter to distributors in France and 20 other countries said that "AIDS has become the center of irrational response in many countries" and that "This is of particular concern to us because of unsubstantiated speculations that this syndrome may be transmitted by certain blood products."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) France continued using older style, untreated concentrate through until August, 1983.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
Sales to Asia and Latin America
On February 29, 1984, Cutter became the last of the four major blood product companies to get US approval to sell heated concentrate.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Even after Cutter began selling the new product, for several months, until August 1984, the company continued making the old medicine.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) One reason was that the company had several fixed-price contracts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-price_contract) and believed that the old product would be cheaper to produce.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
Bayer officials (responding on behalf of Cutter) issued a statement, stating that Cutter continued to sell the old medicine, "because some customers doubted the new drug's effectiveness", and because some countries were slow to approve its sale. The company also said that a shortage of plasma, used to make the medicine, had kept Cutter from manufacturing more of the new product."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Bayer officials also claimed that an overall plasma shortage in 1985 kept Cutter from making more heat treated medicine; however, because Cutter was using some of its limited plasma to continue making the old product, they may have contributed to the shortage.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) While Bayer said that "procedural requirements" imposed by Taiwan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan) slowed down their ability to sell the new product, according to The New York Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times), Hsu Chien-wen, an official at Taiwan's health department, said in 2003 that Cutter had not applied for permission to sell the heated medicine until July 1985, a year and a half after doing so in the United States.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Cindy Lai, assistant director of Hong Kong's health department, said that Cutter needed only to get an import license in the 1980s to sell the newer product in which "It normally [takes] one week."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
While the new product was selling well for Cutter, a Cutter company meeting notes that "There is excess nonheated inventory", which resulted in the company deciding to "review international markets again to determine if more of this product can be sold."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Cutter decided to sell millions of dollars of the older medicine to Asia and Latin America while selling the new, safer product in the West, to avoid being stuck with large stores of a product that was proving increasingly unmarketable.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
In late 1984, when a Hong Kong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong) distributor asked Cutter about the newer product, records show that Cutter asked the distributor to "use up stocks" of the old medicine before switching to its "safer, better" product.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Several months later, once haemophiliacs in Hong Kong began testing positive for HIV, some local doctors began to question whether Cutter was dumping "AIDS tainted" medicine into less-developed countries.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Cutter denied the allegation, claiming that the unheated product posed "no severe hazard" and was in fact the "same fine product we have supplied for years."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) By May 1985, when the Hong Kong distributor told of an impending medical emergency, asking for the newer product, Cutter replied that most of the new medicine was going to the US and Europe and there wasn't enough for Hong Kong, except for a small amount for the "most vocal patients."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
The United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) Food and Drug Administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_Drug_Administration) helped to keep the news out of the public eye. In May 1985, the FDA's regulator of blood products, Harry M. Meyer Jr., believing the companies had broken a voluntary agreement to withdraw the old medicine from the market, called together officials of the companies and ordered them to comply.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Cutter's notes from the meeting indicate that Meyer asked that the issue be "quietly solved without alerting the Congress, the medical community and the public" while another company noted that the FDA wanted the matter solved "quickly and quietly."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
At the same time, a Cutter official wrote that "It appears there are no longer any markets in the Far East where we can expect to sell substantial quantities of nonheat-treated [medicine]" and stopped shipping unheated concentrate in July 1985.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
According to The New York Times, doctors and patients contacted overseas said they had not known of the contents of the Cutter documents. The effects are close to impossible to calculate. Since many records are unavailable and because it was a while until an AIDS test was developed, one cannot know when foreign haemophiliacs were infected with HIV - before Cutter began selling its safer medicine or afterward.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)
The New York Times found these largely unnoticed documents ("internal memorandums, minutes of company marketing meetings and telexes to foreign distributors") as part of the production in connection with the American haemophiliacs lawsuits described below.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3) Sidney M. Wolfe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_M._Wolfe), director of the Public Citizen Health Research Group, which has been investigating the industry's practices for three decades, called them "the most incriminating internal pharmaceutical industry documents I have ever seen."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_haemophilia_blood_products#cite_note-NYTimes2003-3)

So, let me get this straight...you're questioning the efficacy and safety of vaccinations, and the agenda of the medical professionals, because of some instances of corruption and poor quality control?

Have you ever eaten chicken and suffered food poisoning...do you still eat chicken?
Doesn't that prove that Big Chicken (or Big Cock maybe) is out to get us?

[flyingcrocodile46]

So, let me get this straight...you're questioning the efficacy and safety of vaccinations, and the agenda of the medical professionals, because of some instances of corruption and poor quality control?

Have you ever eaten chicken and suffered food poisoning...do you still eat chicken?
Doesn't that prove that Big Chicken (or Big Cock maybe) is out to get us?

Deliberately and knowingly selling HIV infected medication isn't a matter of poor quality control. And yes, I consider proof positive of multiple instances of corruption allowing this sort of practice to occur as sufficient reason to question the wisdom of blindly accepting big pharma's advice and products. If you don't, you're a fuckwit.

I haven't felt a desire to research the eating of big cock. Though I have previously stated in this thread that I am confident that the sheep of the world would suck a poisonous cock if the state told them it was a titty. Did your pappy tell you that it was a cure for the common cold? Did it work?

Note: for all those who have extreme comprehension difficulty (which appears to be most of the KB membership). I have not and do not advocated complete abstinence from Vaccines. All I have ever advocated is that individuals need to be sure that ALL of the risks (each way) are understood and properly considered. I have and will continue to take vaccines when I consider the risk/consequence of not taking them outweighs the risk/consequence of taking them.

We have a duty to ourselves, our children and each other to make the fucking effort to be as fully informed about these life changing/threatening issues as we possibly can. Frankly speaking, it is my opinion that anybody who disagrees with that statement is a fucking moron and likely a bigger liability to the health and welfare of our species, than the perceived threat to the heard posed by those who avoid vaccinations.

[mada]

Deliberately and knowingly selling HIV infected medication isn't a matter of poor quality control. And yes, I consider proof positive of multiple instances of corruption allowing this sort of practice to occur as sufficient reason to question the wisdom of blindly accepting big pharma's advice and products. If you don't, you're a fuckwit.

I haven't felt a desire to research the eating of big cock. Though I have previously stated in this thread that I am confident that the sheep of the world would suck a poisonous cock if the state told them it was a titty. Did your pappy tell you that it was a cure for the common cold? Did it work?

Note: for all those who have extreme comprehension difficulty (which appears to be most of the KB membership). I have not and do not advocated complete abstinence from Vaccines. All I have ever advocated is that individuals need to be sure that ALL of the risks (each way) are understood and properly considered. I have and will continue to take vaccines when I consider the risk/consequence of not taking them outweighs the risk/consequence of taking them.

We have a duty to ourselves, our children and each other to make the fucking effort to be as fully informed about these life changing/threatening issues as we possibly can. Frankly speaking, it is my opinion that anybody who disagrees with that statement is a fucking moron and likely a bigger liability to the health and welfare of our species, than the perceived threat to the heard posed by those who avoid vaccinations.

Your earlier post about HIV and hemophiliacs has a valid point that many businesses put profits before people (as in any industry). However two key things from that posting you appear to have overlooked:

1. It refers to "Epidemiologists" (an Epidemiologist is usually a Medically trained Doctor who studies disease and its effects on populations) who became concerned that plasma products were potentially the source for increased HIV transmission.
2. "Local doctors" in many different countries began questioning the products.

Last time I looked, there is no widespread questioning or concerns from doctors and health workers in regards to vaccines. And if anyone were to see the side effects it would be them...

Complete crock to claim they are merely following the government and sucking big pharma's cock when your article shows otherwise.

[idb]

Deliberately and knowingly selling HIV infected medication isn't a matter of poor quality control. And yes, I consider proof positive of multiple instances of corruption allowing this sort of practice to occur as sufficient reason to question the wisdom of blindly accepting big pharma's advice and products. If you don't, you're a fuckwit.

I haven't felt a desire to research the eating of big cock. Though I have previously stated in this thread that I am confident that the sheep of the world would suck a poisonous cock if the state told them it was a titty. Did your pappy tell you that it was a cure for the common cold? Did it work?

Note: for all those who have extreme comprehension difficulty (which appears to be most of the KB membership). I have not and do not advocated complete abstinence from Vaccines. All I have ever advocated is that individuals need to be sure that ALL of the risks (each way) are understood and properly considered. I have and will continue to take vaccines when I consider the risk/consequence of not taking them outweighs the risk/consequence of taking them.

We have a duty to ourselves, our children and each other to make the fucking effort to be as fully informed about these life changing/threatening issues as we possibly can. Frankly speaking, it is my opinion that anybody who disagrees with that statement is a fucking moron and likely a bigger liability to the health and welfare of our species, than the perceived threat to the heard posed by those who avoid vaccinations.

I hope you have the same issues with everything you buy, how do you know that the plane you're in hasn't had shortcuts taken in building, how do you know milk you're drinking hasn't got salmonella in it because some company saved money by not cleaning their lines?
As far as comprehension difficulties are concerned - it's interesting that you read something about eating cock into my post...does that happen a lot to you?

[oldrider]

When all else fails (or even wins) it's the immune system that does the business in the end:http://drsircus.com/medicine/how-to-boost-your-immune-system#utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=74938bf71a-Article_283&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-74938bf71a-9531509&mc_cid=74938bf71a&mc_eid=783acdf144 :sunny: Pamper it.

[Ocean1]

Complete crock...

Well yeah, obviously. <_<

[Ocean1]

Idiots: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/72177249/donald-trump-catches-the-antivaccine-bug

And facts: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/72181165/malaria-tamed-as-death-rate-drops-saving-millions--who

And never the twain shall meet.

[mashman]

Idiots: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/72177249/donald-trump-catches-the-antivaccine-bug

And facts: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/72181165/malaria-tamed-as-death-rate-drops-saving-millions--who

And never the twain shall meet.

"Some 68 per cent of malaria cases prevented since 2000 were stopped by these bednets"... but the drugs did it :niceone:

[bogan]

Idiots: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/72177249/donald-trump-catches-the-antivaccine-bug

And facts: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/72181165/malaria-tamed-as-death-rate-drops-saving-millions--who

And never the twain shall meet.

How the fuck is that cunt the 'leading candidate' for republican party

[Oakie]

Idiots: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/72177249/donald-trump-catches-the-antivaccine-bug .

I see that Wakefield's autism findings have now gone beyond being labelled 'false' and 'a hoax' and are now described as 'a fraud'. Also stuff I didn't know until today "Most of his co-authors withdrew their names from the study in 2004 after learning he had had been paid by a law firm that intended to sue vaccine manufacturers -- a serious conflict of interest he failed to disclose."

The damage this man has done is staggering.

[Ocean1]

"Some 68 per cent of malaria cases prevented since 2000 were stopped by these bednets"... but the drugs did it :niceone:

Do you have a point or are you just airing your ignorance again?

[Ocean1]

How the fuck is that cunt the 'leading candidate' for republican party

The widely, and occasionally wildly accepted assumption that there is, in fact a link between confidence and competence is actually correct.

The relationship is inverse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

[yokel]

I see that Wakefield's autism findings have now gone beyond being labelled 'false' and 'a hoax' and are now described as 'a fraud'. Also stuff I didn't know until today "Most of his co-authors withdrew their names from the study in 2004 after learning he had had been paid by a law firm that intended to sue vaccine manufacturers -- a serious conflict of interest he failed to disclose."

The damage this man has done is staggering.

No, the damage done to this man is staggering, unless the drug/vaccine companies are in business not to make a buck??

[oneofsix]

No, the damage done to this man is staggering, unless the drug/vaccine companies are in business not to make a buck??

he wasn't maimed or killed but his damage is killing and maiming innocent children

[bogan]

The widely, and occasionally wildly accepted assumption that there is, in fact a link between confidence and competence is actually correct.

The relationship is inverse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Interesting, kinda funny they put their names to the effect to...

[oneofsix]

The widely, and occasionally wildly accepted assumption that there is, in fact a link between confidence and competence is actually correct.

The relationship is inverse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

You are such a confident person Ocean1. :bleh:

[F5 Dave]

Trump has blood on his hands. America is a big place and science is not well represented. Everyone has heard the "no studies have shown a link between cigarette smoking and cancer" lies before, so when medical people say it it gets suspicion.

People will die as a result of his retarded political staging.

We need herd immunity to protect the vulnerable. And he also insults people on the spectrum. Fuck him. And Wakefield, fuck him up badly too.

[mashman]

Do you have a point or are you just airing your ignorance again?

Pure ignorance... I just thought that 68% was quite a good result without resorting to stabbing people.

[Ocean1]

The widely, and occasionally wildly accepted assumption that there is, in fact a link between confidence and competence is actually correct.

The relationship is inverse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor


You are such a confident person Ocean1. :bleh:

More......

https://hbr.org/2013/08/why-do-so-many-incompetent-men

[Oscar]

No, the damage done to this man is staggering, unless the drug/vaccine companies are in business not to make a buck??

So, you only buy your medicine from amateurs or from companies that run at a loss?
Perhaps you make your own?

[Akzle]

So, you only buy your medicine from amateurs or from companies that run at a loss?
Perhaps you make your own?

yes to both. My man J-rome tehutiwhenmangaauiana hooks me up with the good shit

[yokel]

So, you only buy your medicine from amateurs or from companies that run at a loss?
Perhaps you make your own?

don't be a moron.
save your germaphobic brainwashed jibber jabber for someone else.

[Oscar]

don't be a moron.
save your germaphobic brainwashed jibber jabber for someone else.

It was a serious question.
You made a comment along the lines that the drug companies are in it for a buck.
If that's a problem for you, where do you get your medicine?

[Akzle]

If that's a problem for you, where do you get your medicine?

it is. And god.

[Virago]

...And god.

Which one?

[yokel]

You made a comment along the lines that the drug companies are in it for a buck.

not quite,

there's the difference between amateurs and professionals, then there's corruption.

recognise modern day propaganda.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/140730092338-eitm-gupta-ebola-symptoms-origins-00011224-story-top.jpg

[Oakie]

not quite,

there's the difference between amateurs and professionals, then there's corruption.

recognise modern day propaganda.

That's ebola. Not quite what we're talking about although it's nice that they found a way to create a vaccine as soon as it started leaving the African continent. Not important enough until then I guess?

[Swoop]

So, you only buy your medicine from amateurs or from companies that run at a loss?
Perhaps you make your own?

From all the evidential drivel he has put on KB, Yokel has been used for quite a few years as a test subject by pharmaceutical companies.
Guess they were all out of rats for testing purposes...

[PrincessBandit]

I have been contemplating getting the shingles vaccination. Has anyone here had that?

[Virago]

Yeah, I got it. Now I'm autistic.

But seriously, I asked my GP about it. It's bloody expensive (around $360). He reckons it's better to be around kiddies who have or have had chickenpox, it boosts your immunity naturally. You're a teacher??? - you're safe as.

[oldrider]

Yeah, I got it. Now I'm autistic.

But seriously, I asked my GP about it. It's bloody expensive (around $360). He reckons it's better to be around kiddies who have or have had chickenpox, it boosts your immunity naturally. You're a teacher??? - you're safe as.

Go for the vaccination - no self respecting bug would voluntarily go near you! :lol:

[Edbear]

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/anti-vaxxers-fund-study-finds-zero-link-between-vaccinations-and-autism

[Berries]

I have been contemplating getting the shingles vaccination. Has anyone here had that?
My Granma had it when she was in her 60's. She's dead now.

Pretty sure the two aren't linked, but you never know.................

[RDJ]

Acquiring chickenpox/shingles as a non-immune adult can be very unpleasant and occasionally dangerous. YMMV...

[Daffyd]

My mother had a shingles vaccination before she went to Norfolk Island for a holiday, and spent the entire holiday, except for the last day in bed with the shingles. She's dead too, but I don't think the shingles was to blame. It wasn't a pleasant experience for her, either.

[Edbear]

My mother had a shingles vaccination before she went to Norfolk Island for a holiday, and spent the entire holiday, except for the last day in bed with the shingles. She's dead too, but I don't think the shingles was to blame. It wasn't a pleasant experience for her, either.

http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/prevention-15/vaccines/shingles-vaccine

[Daffyd]

Yeah, can't help wondering if she would still have got it if she hadn't had the vaccine.

[Virago]

It's a bit like those who claim to have got the 'flu from the 'flu vaccine.

No. You. Didn't.

There is no live virus in vaccines.

You can still get the 'flu after being vaccinated - the vaccine is not an exact science in relation to a constantly evolving virus.

Most however get the "Kiwi Flu" - commonly known as a common cold. "I can't come to work today boss, I've got the 'flu." Yeah right...

[mashman]

Oh dear... (http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/will-cdc-whistleblower-on-vaccines-testify-before-congress/)

[PrincessBandit]

Acquiring chickenpox/shingles as a non-immune adult can be very unpleasant and occasionally dangerous. YMMV...

Had chickenpox as a spotty teenager. Maybe continuing to be around spotty teenagers is the best way to keep my immunity up...

[mashman]

Oh dear... (http://truthinmedia.com/reality-check-cdc-scientist-admits-data-of-vaccines-and-autism-was-trashed/?utm_content=buffer53a37&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)

[bogan]

Oh dear... (http://truthinmedia.com/reality-check-cdc-scientist-admits-data-of-vaccines-and-autism-was-trashed/?utm_content=buffer53a37&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)

Grasping at straws much? Bet you 50 bucks that is an absolute load of sensationalist bullshit. It was probably thrown out cos the data was rubbish, not its conclusion.

[Katman]

Grasping at straws much? Bet you 50 bucks that is an absolute load of sensationalist bullshit. It was probably thrown out cos the data was rubbish, not its conclusion.

I'll take that bet.

[bogan]

I'll take that bet.

Excellent, but first a caveat. Non of this conspiracy theorist cop-out bullshit, if the medical professionals, journal reviewers etc don't see fit to publish these conclusions in perpetuity, then that $50 is mine. Likewise, to the opposite, if it gets published/accepted then the $50 is yours. Agreed?

[Katman]

Excellent, but first a caveat. Non of this conspiracy theorist cop-out bullshit, if the medical professionals, journal reviewers etc don't see fit to publish these conclusions in perpetuity, then that $50 is mine. Likewise, to the opposite, if it gets published/accepted then the $50 is yours. Agreed?

How about instead....

If there is an investigation that proves that CDC officials destroyed documents that showed possible links between this vaccine and autism, you hand over 50 bucks.

If the whole 'documents in a garbage bin' turns out to be bullshit, you get 50 bucks.

[bogan]

How about instead....

If there is an investigation that proves that CDC officials destroyed documents that showed possible links between this vaccine and autism, you hand over 50 bucks.

If the whole 'documents in a garbage bin' turns out to be bullshit, you get 50 bucks.

Like I said, lets avoid the conspiracy theorist bullshit. Either there is a link, or there isn't; why not bet on that.

[Katman]

Like I said, lets avoid the conspiracy theorist bullshit. Either there is a link, or there isn't; why not bet on that.

How about you have another read of what you wrote.


Bet you 50 bucks that is an absolute load of sensationalist bullshit.

[bogan]

How about you have another read of what you wrote.

Conspiracy theories are sensationalist bullshit. By phrasing your side of the bet to advertise a conspiracy theory as the 'win' condition, you owe me 50 bucks.

[Katman]

Conspiracy theories are sensationalist bullshit. By phrasing your side of the bet to advertise a conspiracy theory as the 'win' condition, you owe me 50 bucks.

You are the one that only a few minutes ago wanted to bet 50 bucks, that an article suggesting the CDC are guilty of fraud and destroying significant testing data, was just "an absolute load of sensationalist bullshit".

Now you don't seem so keen.

[bogan]

You are the one that only a few minutes ago wanted to bet 50 bucks, that an article suggesting the CDC are guilty of fraud and destroying significant testing data, was just "an absolute load of sensationalist bullshit".

Now you don't seem so keen.

No, I just recognise that you shouldn't judge whether some allegedly sensationalist bullshit is or is not by the amount of other allegedly sensationalist bullshit that follows. This is on account of me not being a slave to self serving circular logic.

Now, what I also recognise, is that if it were sensationalist bullshit, it would never get to a journal article. If it was legit data, then it could, and given the standing of those involved (ie, qualified) it would.

Now what you think is a win condition, of finding out they did discard data, could just be (as I originally posited) them throwing out the data because it was rubbish; that's the conspiracy theory here that clearly leads to a stalemate.

Why don't you want to take the bet with outcomes that won't lead to a stalemate? Not so sure of yourself anymore?

[Katman]

.....that's the conspiracy theory here that clearly leads to a stalemate.

You're the only one who's mentioned 'conspiracy theory'.



Why don't you want to take the bet with outcomes that won't lead to a stalemate? Not so sure of yourself anymore?

Why don't you want to take on the bet based on your original wager?