It's a sad day (Virginia University shootings, 16 April)

**Swoop** · 17th April 2007, 17:49

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

*Yawn*
Step one... identify your target
(anyone else care to spell out the reamining 6?) I can't be arsed.

#1:Treat every firearm as loaded.
#2:Always point firearms in a safe direction.
#3:Load a firearm only when ready to fire.
#4:Identify your target.
#5:Check your firing zone.
#6:Store firearms and ammunition safely.
#7:Avoid alcohol or drugs when handling firearms.

Originally Posted by imdying

For example, not much shooting at adult chest height if it were Finn that broke in your house!

Probably get him in the head though...

Originally Posted by Street Gerbil

Actually it is a perfect illustration as to why forbidding gun ownership leads to tragedy. VTech campus was declared a "gun-free zone" and as a result only the bad guy was armed.
Proper registration laws (requiring extensive training) can take care of excessive trigger-happiness.

Registration of the firearm dosen't work, as we all know. The user is a different matter entirely.

Originally Posted by Sniper

Everyone knows Canada isn't a real country though

Like "Middle Earth"?

Originally Posted by Fish

Clerk drew and fired three shots from his Glock, all hitting robber in torso.Robber ran and collapsed just outside door. He survived and was sentenced to 8 years jail, if I recall correctly.

Classic example of 9mm in action...

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

IQ or shoe size?

BLING - again!!!
EDIT: "must spread..."

Originally Posted by alexthekidd

(c) Is not ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to section 18-12-108 or federal law; ...

What criteria disallows posession?

Originally Posted by alexthekidd

So somewhere safe to use it is in ones pocket as they're going to get the milk?

That must be a very long pocket if you are going to fire a shot (use it) in there...
Perhaps it is a storage area? Perhaps the average pocket isn't large enough to keep a glock in?
Have you ever handled and fired a pistol ATK?

Originally Posted by mstriumph

.......... possibilities are endless really

Pointed sticks???

**mstriumph** · 17th April 2007, 17:51

Originally Posted by scumdog

Yeah, an arsonists work ain't THAT easy!

BTW, anybody being following the pistol shootings in London over the last year or so?
Seems the UK has some of the most draconian gun laws - pistols especially yet 15 year old wannabe 'gangstas' are shooting their rivals dead.

It's a society thing (Canada has pretty close to the same ratio of guns to people as the US - but look at their mass shooting record) and I'm concerned that maybe London is sliding into the same mentality as some of the US.

yeah
but the pendulum can swing too far mebbe? - little jonnie howard's kneejerk reaction to the Port Arthur Massacre was to introduce draconian [on?] measures here practically outlawing private weapons in oz irrespective that the guns used in the massacre were licenced so it was his crappy licensing system that had failed

he then spent vast amounts of public money buying back licenced weapons from the public

i don't believe that civilians need automotic or semi-automatic weapons but there should be no bar to civilians owning firearms provided there are tests and measures in place to ensure they are held and used responsibly.

*not sure john howard isn't french .............*

**jrandom** · 17th April 2007, 18:00

Originally Posted by Swoop

Classic example of 9mm in action...

Come to think of it, I recall hearing that the shooter subsequently found that all three rounds not only fully penetrated the bad guy but actually ended up in the wall of the next room along.

I forget precisely what ammo he was using, but it wasn't hardball, it was one of the expensive uber-wossname ultrashok expando-matic brand name ones. Didn't quite work as advertised, though.

Yet as far as I'm aware, the clerk did not immediately rush out and buy a FOWERTY FAHVE. I guess some people never learn, eh?

Good thing he didn't have a FOWERTY FAHVE there, in fact, or the lady and child would have been traumatised by seeing the bad guy's arms and head explode off as what was left of his body flew across the room and out through the wall into the street.

**Scorpygirl** · 17th April 2007, 18:03

Yes, a sad day indeed. An awful tragedy for everyone involved.

**alexthekidd** · 17th April 2007, 18:23

Originally Posted by Fish

Come to think of it, I recall hearing that the shooter subsequently found that all three rounds not only fully penetrated the bad guy but actually ended up in the wall of the next room along.

I forget precisely what ammo he was using, but it wasn't hardball, it was one of the expensive uber-wossname ultrashok expando-matic brand name ones. Didn't quite work as advertised, though.

Yet as far as I'm aware, the clerk did not immediately rush out and buy a FOWERTY FAHVE. I guess some people never learn, eh?

Good thing he didn't have a FOWERTY FAHVE there, in fact, or the lady and child would have been traumatised by seeing the bad guy's arms and head explode off as what was left of his body flew across the room and out through the wall into the street.

The ammo was 165g Speer Gold Dots

More info here

http://www.gunaccessories.com/Speer/...tolBullets.asp

**Street Gerbil** · 17th April 2007, 18:24

Originally Posted by Swoop

Registration of the firearm dosen't work, as we all know.

Well, I do not know that. In fact I know just the opposite. Israel has probably the largest per capita population carrying guns on the street at any given time (concealed or not) yet violence (apart from homicide bombers) is unheard of. Registration of a firearm requires extensive training and annual refresher courses, even for those of us with military background and punishment for possession of an unregistered weapon is severe.
The thing is, when everybody carries a gun, people tend to respect each other, even if only just in case.

**Motu** · 17th April 2007, 18:28

Originally Posted by Fish

Let's say, hypothetically, that I, a Bad Man, turn up at your house intent on raping the female family members, killing everybody and then nicking off with the DVD player. Let's say that I brought a gun.

Would you rather:

(a) meet me in the hallway with a gun of your own; or

(b) er... die?

Ah,given the size of me,and the size of the people breaking into my house.....I'd say I'd get my gun out and then get it ripped out of my hand by the guy standing behind me.That is just such a stupid fucking argument - do you watch too much American TV?

**Hitcher** · 17th April 2007, 18:32

There is a firearms thread for those who wish to embark upon some sort of technical examination of grain weights and calibres. Take that discussion there or have it taken.

**jrandom** · 17th April 2007, 18:37

Originally Posted by alexthekidd

The ammo was 165g Speer Gold Dots

Where'd you hear that, sunshine? On [gasp]... the internets?

(If you'd be so kind as to prune and graft appropriately, Hitcher...)

**alexthekidd** · 17th April 2007, 18:39

Its in the description from the guy who posted the video dickhead just tryin 2 help

**Hitcher** · 17th April 2007, 18:39

Originally Posted by Fish

Where'd you hear that, sunshine? On [gasp]... the internets?

That is Gold.

**jrandom** · 17th April 2007, 18:40

Originally Posted by Motu

Ah,given the size of me,and the size of the people breaking into my house.....I'd say I'd get my gun out and then get it ripped out of my hand by the guy standing behind me.

That doesn't jibe with the significant number of reported defensive-shooting encounters where lil' old ladies and teenage kids have dropped big burly robbers in their tracks.

Originally Posted by Motu

That is just such a stupid fucking argument - do you watch too much American TV?

I base all my life choices on Star Trek. So long as I go into a gunfight without a red shirt, I figure on coming out unscathed.