The Group Ride Guide Announcement

[FJRider]

What happenned to the idea that going for a ride was fun? And sharing with like minded riders better still.

And better still ... sharing with friends ...

[James Deuce]

And better still ... sharing with friends ...

You need to have some in the first instance.

[The Stranger:Me]

Wot 'e said.

One knows not whether to sympathise more with the Ride Organiser (who the fuck would be mad enough to organise anything under those terms ?), bowed down under the weight of his rule book and those "legal implications"; or the hapless ride participants grimly maintaining a po-faced silence least the Ride Police convict them of banter, whilst furtively avoiding the attention of the Ride Classification Police, least they be deemed to be only "intermediate" rather than "experienced" and thus ignominiously disqualified fromt he ride and led off in chains. .

What happenned to the idea that going for a ride was fun? And sharing with like minded riders better still.

Rules?
Police?
Convict?
Disqualified?
Where were you looking? You do realise that you have posted ina thread about suggested guidelines.

Legal implications - well, sorry the message is not to your liking, would you like that sugar coated?

[FJRider]

You need to have some in the first instance.

I guess group rides will still be needed ... by some then ...

[Ixion]

Change it from "Group Ride" to "Group Race" and I'd agree.

The group *rides* very seldom have any problems. The group *races* are another matter.

[carver]

No offence, but the KB coro loops have been full of

overtaking around the outside.
outbraking up the inside
wheelies between cars
flat out racing between two riders.

the MFSC have done all this, but if we organise a loop can we just accept no responsibility, ask others to read this first, and continue on our merry way?

[The Stranger:Me]

No offence, but the KB coro loops have been full of

overtaking around the outside.
outbraking up the inside
wheelies between cars
flat out racing between two riders.

the MFSC have done all this, but if we organise a loop can we just accept no responsibility, ask others to read this first, and continue on our merry way?

No offence taken.
Good question though.

As noted, the group ride guide will not suit all rides. People may wish to organise a mystery ride for example, so how you going to explain the route in advance?

Responsibility is not for me to decide, but I believe it is somewhat mitigated when it is made clear to participants what to expect.
So were you to say we are going hell for leather and it's each man for himself (i.e. no pointers or TEC) on some technical roads you have done all you reasonably can to warn off the meek and the slow - the rest is up to the law.

[Maha]

A group to me now is, three or four.
Even before this Guideline thing got underway, I had lost interest in organising anymore group rides. The only one I will do from now on is the Annual Muriwai too Mangawhai ride around November, other than that, it will be via pm or txt.

Out of the 16 or so rides I have put together there has been not one incident/accident..not a one! And that has nothing to do with me, I just supply a point A to point B. I think the big thing is, 'Maturity' on my rides so far. We have bikers of all levels and abilities turn up but there is no egos!!

No egos equals a real cool day for everyone.

I took part in the Group Ride Guidelines Forum as did a few that loathe group rides, so everything was well and truely covered and the end result (IMO) given the time and effort that went into it, came out really really good.

[caseye]

carver you are right, I've had the misfortune to ride with some real fools on group rides, they do it all wrong and then they behave as if their own shit didn't stink.
Well, it does and so do they, these days I ride with people I know and their friends, people who have been vouched for by those I know.
As Maha said above, no ego's makes for a great days riding with little or no problems caused by fools on bikes.
I will still attend the Westpac rescue and toy runs and things like the Ewan Gilmour ride but even those are generally attended by people out to enjoy a ride not race each other to the death.
Thanks to those who put in the time on the Group Ride Guide, I think it's come out pretty well, but boy has it highlighted some very interesting points:ie, who is responsible if you don't spell it out in triplicate.Do we as riders who want to invite a bunch of mates along, actually have to cover our arses in case OSH or the gubbermint try coming down on us for another riders mistakes?
Seems that large group rides may well become a thing of the past.
Shame if they did, but who wants the headaches?

[Mental Trousers]

I took part in the Group Ride Guidelines Forum as did a few that loathe group rides, so everything was well and truely covered and the end result (IMO) given the time and effort that went into it, came out really really good.

There was quite a range of people with varying backgrounds, experience and opinions involved. Some were included specifically because their opinions on group rides did not agree with others. Those individuals were there specifically to promote debate because getting a group of people who agree with each other achieves 9/10ths of fuck all.

Personally, I'm pleased with the entire process and the group of people that participated. The final document was subjected to quite rigorous scrutiny and although some of the people involved disagree with parts of it, none involved have criticized the quality of it.

It's always good to hear from people who have different opinions on some of the content but agree that it was put together properly. Thanks for that Maha.

[MadDuck]

I took part in the Group Ride Guidelines Forum as did a few that loathe group rides, so everything was well and truely covered and the end result (IMO) given the time and effort that went into it, came out really really good.

And the end result is you wont organise another of the great rides we have had for years?

Yep...good result. Who made you comply? What did they pay you?

[Maha]

And the end result is you wont organise another of the great rides we have had for years?

Yep...good result. Who made you comply? What did they pay you?

$150 but I cant speak for the others.
On a more serious note, I stated the only ride I will put on KB, I dont intend to change the format of how its gone over the last 2-3 years, status Quo as far as I am concerned on that point. Cant fix anything that aint broken.

Any other group rides I want to do will be a ....Maha Stealth Ride....off the forum and invite only.

[Drew]

Some folk were just born for bureaucratic behaviour.

[Mental Trousers]

And the end result is you wont organise another of the great rides we have had for years?

Yep...good result. Who made you comply? What did they pay you?

That's incredibly short sighted. Maha usually organises rides without putting them on here. He didn't suddenly stop because he contributed to something.

[MadDuck]

Rules?
Police?
Convict?
Disqualified?
Where were you looking? You do realise that you have posted ina thread about suggested guidelines.

Legal implications - well, sorry the message is not to your liking, would you like that sugar coated?

Yes please. So from now on if someone posts up a ride on KB can they opt out of the rules with a disclaimer? "This ride is not going to follow the "Guidelines of KB"?

That's incredibly short sighted. Maha usually organises rides without putting them on here. He didn't suddenly stop because he contributed to something.

He has said he will no longer organise these rides online but it will now be via PM or text. Seems that KB now has a set of rules so it is now a "club".