BIKEOI Wellington

**Silverexador** · 26th October 2009, 17:05

Southward is just off the SH1 shit loads of parking?

**James Deuce** · 26th October 2009, 17:34

Originally Posted by mowgli

My bad. You are quite correct. Call it Assurance then. The point being that if it's supposed to benefit everyone then everyone should share in its funding.

It's not Assurance either. It's a compensation scheme designed to remove the need for litigation between the affected parties.

Come on guys! We have to get this straight.

1. ACC is not insurance. The ACC Automotive account does NOT subsidise motorcyclists. It can be made to appear that way because we are the only group singled out, despite the four main road user groups (Pedestrian, Cyclist, Motorcycles, Other Vehicles) all costing between $19k and $25k to repair each victim with motorcyclists being the lowest.

2. The Government and ACC are making up figures to justify the increase. They claim to collect $12m, which is about 4-6million short of what they do get going on rego figures. They claim that each other vehicle on the road subsidises motorcyclists at $70 each. There about 100000 bikes on the road and 4,000,000 other vehicles. $70 each adds up to $280 million, more than 4 times the $63 odd million they want from us.

3. The Increases are not the issue. Being singled out for abuse and lies is.

4. The goal should be to get the ACC rego levy on motorcyclists removed and have us pay what all other road users pay. Not to fight the increases. That will just earn us a lesser increase.

**Ixion** · 26th October 2009, 17:55

The "compensation" wasn't compensation for being injured . It was (is) compensation for giving up the right to sue.

When you give up a right, you usually reckon on some sort of compensation.

**mowgli** · 26th October 2009, 18:13

Originally Posted by Ixion

The "compensation" wasn't compensation for being injured . It was (is) compensation for giving up the right to sue.
When you give up a right, you usually reckon on some sort of compensation.

That doesn't quite work for the party at fault. They couldn't have sued (and won) and yet are covered by said compensation

**sporty 883** · 26th October 2009, 18:16

Not to burst any ideas, the duck pond is a large area how ever there would be a need to cross traffic to get to the motorway, perhaps a little further up the road at the back of the playing fields at Avalon Park - would easily be able to have room for 500 plus riders, access to Harcourt Werry Dr and left before heading over Kennedy Good Bridge (just an additional thought). And its across the road from TVNZ (avalon studios)

**Pedrostt500** · 26th October 2009, 18:23

I noticed this afternoon that the old Thordon Tavern is about to be renovated for the royal Thai Embassy, I didn't catch the name of the Contractor, Could we approach the contractor and or Thai embassy to see if we can use the old carpark for bike parking on the 17th, because I noticed the whole area was fenced off with construction fencing, and this site is only a hundred yards up the road from Parliment.

**Cloggy** · 26th October 2009, 18:26

Originally Posted by sporty 883

Not to burst any ideas, the duck pond is a large area how ever there would be a need to cross traffic to get to the motorway, perhaps a little further up the road at the back of the playing fields at Avalon Park - would easily be able to have room for 500 plus riders, access to Harcourt Werry Dr and left before heading over Kennedy Good Bridge (just an additional thought). And its across the road from TVNZ (avalon studios)

Good points but the stage has been set.
Crossing Fairway Drive won't be an issue. We'll stop traffic to let some bikes through, let a few cars go, followed by more bikes etc. We do it on bigger Wednesday night rides, we can do it for the Bikoi.
Bikes will be held up at the traffic lights to get onto the motorway anyway as well as various sets of lights along the way. So the group will get split up into subgroups. But the front group will not travel faster than 90km/hr to avoid having the tail needing to speed to catch up.

**Pedrostt500** · 26th October 2009, 19:11

I have about 4 sheets of Custom Wood 1200mm x 800mm and maybe some old paint, would any one like to paint some small bill boards, I have the Artistic tallents of half a brick, so requires some one with some Tallent, I can deliver these in the Wellington area, was thinking we could stand them up with some garden stakes in key spots.

**Laxi** · 26th October 2009, 19:20

Originally Posted by Pedrostt500

I have about 4 sheets of Custom Wood 1200mm x 800mm and maybe some old paint, would any one like to paint some small bill boards, I have the Artistic tallents of half a brick, so requires some one with some Tallent, I can deliver these in the Wellington area, was thinking we could stand them up with some garden stakes in key spots.

was thinking of doing somthing with a push bike and a sign comaring their 36 deaths, average cost per claim, no acc leveys, e.t.c compared to motorcycles

**BMWST?** · 26th October 2009, 19:24

Originally Posted by Laxi

was thinking of doing somthing with a push bike and a sign comaring their 36 deaths, average cost per claim, no acc leveys, e.t.c compared to motorcycles

i dont think we need to start pointing the finger...we need to argue that ACC is a no fault scheme funded BY the community FOR the community.We need to ensure that ALL private motor vehicles pay the same levy.

**James Deuce** · 26th October 2009, 19:26

Originally Posted by BMWST?

i dont think we need to start pointing the finger...we need to argue that ACC is a no fault scheme funded BY the community FOR the community.We need to ensure that ALL private motor vehicles pay the same levy.

That's it in a nutshell!

**Laxi** · 26th October 2009, 19:27

Originally Posted by BMWST?

i dont think we need to start pointing the finger...we need to argue that ACC is a no fault scheme funded BY the community FOR the community.We need to ensure that ALL private motor vehicles pay the same levy.

that's a fair point, but the idea is not to point blame, the fact is ACC are trying to tell the public that they are subsidising motorcyclists, the idea is to point out the unfair targeting of motorcyclists

**James Deuce** · 26th October 2009, 19:39

Originally Posted by BMWST?

i dont think we need to start pointing the finger...we need to argue that ACC is a no fault scheme funded BY the community FOR the community.We need to ensure that ALL private motor vehicles pay the same levy.

Originally Posted by Laxi

that's a fair point, but the idea is not to point blame, the fact is ACC are trying to tell the public that they are subsidising motorcyclists, the idea is to point out the unfair targeting of motorcyclists

Life is unfair, and people aren't that sympathetic to the "unfair" argument.

Using examples like that publicly is PR suicide because pointing out cyclists isn't going to garner us any support, politically or from the public.

Stick to our facts and our argument, and be awake to the fact that 40% of motorcycle fatalities are single vehicle accidents caused by the rider losing control in a corner.

**BMWST?** · 26th October 2009, 19:44

Originally Posted by James Deuce

....... and be awake to the fact that 40% of motorcycle fatalities are single vehicle accidents caused by the rider losing control in a corner.

is this a "good" argument to be highlighting?What is the argument.That 40 percent odf motorcycles accident dont cost the ACC anything?Do ACC fund the attendance of emergency services?