General bitch (oops, I mean discussion) about bikers thread

[Grubber]

So a longwinded explanation using big words as to why someone might be misguided is better than saying 'You're a cock'.

Ya get it now!!!! Na, probably not!

LOL!! It's called tactful delivery and is designed to gain the person's approval...

You smart buy you, and they have been labeling the rest of us ignorant all this time!

R-i-g-h-t . . .

The theory is fine.

The theory is perfect, since time began!

Many people simply don't think. Many also simply don't understand and need to have things explained in a way that makes sense to them.

You'll see what I mean once you've been married as long as I have...

Nailed it EB. It doesn't make them stupid or an idiot, it just means they don't know something we do, they may know something else that we don't, and in this we learn off each other.

That's what I used to think. Until I 'met' some who were extra-determined to hold on to their ignorance.


Oooooh I knoooow...

Ya see, this is the shit i been talking about. You still consider "others" who differ in opinion as ignorant. Here was me thinking you might have got it, but your still a stuck up prick! oh well, no helping some people i guess
Red rep me all ya like MRSTS. It's not like i would ever be offended by anything you do to me, it's not like i care about you or anything so therefore doesn't effect me.

I can see it really is a distinction you genuinely do have a lot of trouble with as you rarely seem to consider this before blundering in.

So just to keep your bitching in perspective - how many have been in here looking for any sympathy for wearing FA gear? or screwing up a corner at 180 KPH or for that matter screwing up a wheelie?
How many do you honestly think don't realise that it's their own stupid fault?

You should write a book mate. Title it "Broad and Honest and LOGIC". Yup, great title. You're onto it!

I screwed up a wheelie last week.

I must be an evel cnut.

Don't come near my kids ok!

Sure, but that's not really the point of my post either is it?
It's about human error vs stupidity i.e. the subject of your post.

But as usual, you'll choose to ignore inconvenient truths and duck and weave.

Keeps him fit i think. Very selective about what they want to hear. If it doesn't suit their argument, then YOU are just ignorant.

[MSTRS:Me]

...general judgemental pigeonholing and personal abuse...
Red rep me all ya like MRSTS. It's not like i would ever be offended by anything you do to me, it's not like i care about you or anything so therefore doesn't effect me.

And what a marvellous job you are doing in showing it...

[R-Soul]

aim for "the zone" without considering the possibilities around the next corner, are "unacceptable" and if they crash as a result, it is an avoidable accident that needn't have happened.

Hey dont trash the Zone! When you are in the zone, you are in a state of ultimate awareness, and the safest you will ever be while riding...

[Maha]

Hey dont trash the Zone! When you are in the zone, you are in a state of ultimate awareness, and the safest you will ever be while riding...

...and then a tractor enters your side of the road from a farm race just over a brow of a hill..

[R-Soul]

...and then a tractor enters your side of the road from a farm race just over a brow of a hill..

And because your awareness is right up there, and you are riding to the coditons (the Zone does not mean riding fast), you see him earlier than if you were dawdling along, counting daisies at the side of the road.

[motor_mayhem]

I think what everyone has to acknowledge for here is that care/safety concerns is one of the factors of riding a bike but to most it is not the only concern - if it was then noone would be riding bikes because, like it or not, the shell of a car will provide you with more protection than you can ever receive on a bike. I am sure we'd all be a lot safer if the speed limit was 20kmh but then we'd also not be able to go the distances we can when the speed limit is 100kmh. So then the next question you have to ask yourself is where your value care vs value of other factors - function, fun, legality etc. lie. To apply that I guess you could say for example when coming to a corner do you ride as fast as your bike will go around the corner? the current speed limit? the recommended speed limit? Some proportion of the recommended speed limit that would allow you to be able to move off the road and control your bike to a stop should another vehicle be coming round the corner on the wrong side of the road?

One more q for katman:
What are you really hoping to achieve by presenting, in what most would deem a very blunt way, what you think would be the correct course of action? In all seriousness are you thinking that this will make other see what you believe to be the error of their ways or are you just wanting to remind the person that your values system would have resulted in a different outcome?

[Katman]

One more q for katman:
What are you really hoping to achieve by presenting, in what most would deem a very blunt way, what you think would be the correct course of action? In all seriousness are you thinking that this will make other see what you believe to be the error of their ways or are you just wanting to remind the person that your values system would have resulted in a different outcome?

I thought I'd been making it quite clear.

If we don't start pulling our heads out of our arses and start doing a better job of staying upright we won't be enjoying the motorcycling liberties, that we currently do, for much longer.

[The Stranger:Me]

I thought I'd been making it quite clear.

If we don't start pulling our heads out of our arses and start doing a better job of staying upright we won't be enjoying the motorcycling liberties, that we currently do, for much longer.

Or paraphrase, he wants us all to give in to blackmail.

[Katman]

Or paraphrase, he wants us all to give in to blackmail.

That's not a very well thought out argument though, is it Noel?

That's like saying "I know this accident's going to hurt me but I'm going to go ahead and have the fucking thing anyway just to teach you a lesson for charging me more."

[motor_mayhem]

I thought I'd been making it quite clear.

If we don't start pulling our heads out of our arses and start doing a better job of staying upright we won't be enjoying the motorcycling liberties, that we currently do, for much longer.

Ok so you really want to convince other people the error of their ways? How well would you say your current method of bluntly telling people how you think it is, occasionally verging on insulting their intelligence and/or ability, is working?

[The Stranger:Me]

That's not a very well thought out argument though, is it Noel?

I guess not, I guess we are better to all just do what the government tell us to do, because after all, they really do know what's best for us and what we want.

[Katman]

I guess not, I guess we are better to all just do what the government tell us to do, because after all, they really do know what's best for us and what we want.

Fucks sake Noel, open your eyes.

It's not about what the government thinks is best for us - it's about what we think is best for us.

Do you want to see a reduction in motorcycle accidents or not?

[oneofsix]

Or paraphrase, he wants us all to give in to blackmail.

blackmail is the wrong term, try extortion. Its not about motorcyclists having secrets, it is more like the powerful threatening the less powerful.

[Kickaha]

Or paraphrase, he wants us all to give in to blackmail.

No he doesn't, he wants to give them no excuses for being able to single motorcyclists out

[The Stranger:Me]

Fucks sake Noel, open your eyes.

It's not about what the government thinks is best for us - it's about what we think is best for us.

Do you want to see a reduction in motorcycle accidents or not?

For fucks sake Steve, say what you mean.

When asked what you you were hoping to achieve you responded

"If we don't start pulling our heads out of our arses and start doing a better job of staying upright we won't be enjoying the motorcycling liberties, that we currently do, for much longer."


Another quote for you - from a dictionary this time. "Liberty is a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the right to act according to his or her own will."

By all means set out your goals and let's debate them - as you indicate is your wish to see. But it would be handy to know what we are debating first and second it could be constructive if you would actually address (enter into debate on) the issues that you raise.