Spring's here, time to die

[Mom]

You are safe as with fluro on

I saw a bloke on a black bike, with black gear on, apart from the fluro helmet he was wearing

[Crasherfromwayback]

Effing novices are dangerous. And I can tell you at over 250km/h fluro's unzip themselves.

Nothing novice 'bout you Mofo.

[madandy]

I have argued this before but who actually rides/drives at a speed that enables us to stop our vehicles within the clear length of visible road ahead? I would wager not one person. Here I am thinking blind crests more than anything, but also some of the sharper corners. And I bet you don't, either on your bike or in the truck. I pity the poor sod who comes over the crest with 50m visibility and sees a truck and trailer fully across the road. Clear length of visible road might mean traveling at 30km/h. Never seen it happen.

I do in fact, when in the truck! as a blind crest usally occurs after a steepish climb and we all know how trucks lose speed on climbs. On my regular run I'm aware of the blind spots and do drive accordingly.

My point was more that, in the case of most cars which can come to a complete halt from 100kmh in less than 40m the ones without ABS were locking up and losing control at a speed/situation/ distance they would be able to stop in had their vehicles been supplied with modern ABS.

[onearmedbandit]

I'm sure here is someone here using that picture as their avatar.

Whoops! What a whore.

[MrKiwi]

That's the problem though. YOU think we should choose to have. I CHOOSE not to thanks. But people like you...will end up having our CHOICES taken away from us.

You go on believing that...

[MrKiwi]

I am not claiming this - this is what I have heard experienced track racers claim on the grapevine. I do not profess to be able to outbrake ABS myself. And even experienced riding gods can end up freezing in a surprise life threatening situation where they forget to pulse brakes or just lock brakes up without thinking further. So I am all for having ABS available on all bikes - at least for road riding.

My apologies for misunderstanding you, thanks for the clarification....

[_Shrek_]

Most of the riding public are not experienced racers (and I doubt even experienced racers can do what you claim), so when you need to brake hard and keep rolling ABS helps. It's not the saviour and can't counter for stupid, but it is something for riding on tarmac that I think riders should choose to have, in my opinion.

I'm glad you said "in my opinion"

as I chose not to have ABS, as I do a fair bit of off road, metal, bush tracks etc.. as well as seal & I don't want a machine thinking for me,

& I don't want anyone telling me that I should be getting/have ABS coz it's safer & thats my opinion

[MrKiwi]

I'm glad you said "in my opinion"

as I chose not to have ABS, as I do a fair bit of off road, metal, bush tracks etc.. as well as seal & I don't want a machine thinking for me,

& I don't want anyone telling me that I should be getting/have ABS coz it's safer & thats my opinion

If you have been following this thread you will have seen my earlier comments that I very quickly said ABS is not appropriate or good for gravel/off road conditions. My comments relate to tarmac. My view is that ABS is a good technology for tarmac and I will eventually get a bike with it. But it is my view ABS should be switch-able and a rider/buyer choice.

[_Shrek_]

If you have been following this thread you will have seen my earlier comments that I very quickly said ABS is not appropriate or good for gravel/off road conditions. My comments relate to tarmac. My view is that ABS is a good technology for tarmac and I will eventually get a bike with it. But it is my view ABS should be switch-able and a rider/buyer choice.

I had not seen your earlier posts on this! my apolgies for jumping the gun there

[imdying]

Here we go again

Well there was a bit of ignorance going around that needed squashing... like things stop faster when the brakes are being cycled on and off. Yeah, maybe in the dark old days when wheels weren't brakes independently by the ABS.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But it is my view ABS should be switch-able and a rider/buyer choice.

There's something we can agree on!

[imdying]

There's something we can agree on!

I don't think that's the way forward... what I was getting at earlier was perhaps the best option is one that hasn't been offered to you yet. There might be valid reasons why you want it to operate differently (whether that's totally off, allows lockups, whatever) than it does now. Those need to be whittled down to the core of the issue, in the end the engineers can only deal with specifics. Off road is one... perhaps they need to add the ability to detect gravel and have it turn itself off then? (or that sort of thing, if you see where I'm headed?)

[Gremlin]

Off road is one... perhaps they need to add the ability to detect gravel and have it turn itself off then? (or that sort of thing, if you see where I'm headed?)

Easier said than done I would think. Gravel can be high speed sliding through corners or ultra slow as you pick your way through rocks/rivers etc.

I know the EU wants to make ABS mandatory and full time, but the switchable ABS on my BMW suits me. It's not often off, but when it's off it really needs to be...

[Edbear]

I'm glad you said "in my opinion"

as I chose not to have ABS, as I do a fair bit of off road, metal, bush tracks etc.. as well as seal & I don't want a machine thinking for me,

& I don't want anyone telling me that I should be getting/have ABS coz it's safer & thats my opinion

You should be getting ABS...







IMHO...

[imdying]

Easier said than done I would think.

Yes, for you and me, but we're not automotive software engineers! If you ever get the chance to delve into traction control algorithms, you'll be surprised at the amount of 'thinking' the latest ones do, and how cleverly they figure out teeny tiny things that 10 years ago we weren't even aw

I know the EU wants to make ABS mandatory and full time, but the switchable ABS on my BMW suits me. It's not often off, but when it's off it really needs to be...

Of course if you never had to touch that switch because the bike wasn't a thicko, that would be the ideal.