Atgatt fail

[FJRider]

How's this for a cunning first step for milking motorcyclists? They allowed the top end of the capacity range for LAMS bikes to exceed the second tier of ACC levy charges.

What is the issue there .. those that want to pay the extra levy price (for a bigger bike) ... are free to do so. If they want to take the risk ... and can afford the full levy.

LAM's are for a class of (licensed) riders. The levies are for a class (engine size) of bike..

I doubt if many L plates will be attached to 650 cc (and over) bikes anyway ... but can happen now.

[James Deuce]

So which part of the Government do you work for?

[Ocean1]

Government's "divide & conquer" strategy which so far is jolly well winning without much of a push back.

Well I'm doing my bit.

No way in hell will they ever take more off me than they did before the change in registration charges.

[FJRider]

So which part of the Government do you work for?

Considering the LAM's legislation is a huge improvement on the previous restrictive legislation .... I can't see how (or why) people should whinge about it It doesn't actually affect anybody that already owns a motorcycle over 650 cc ...

But I guess ... that's just what some people like do

I think THAT'S the Government's fault ...

[madandy]

If he's a Sikh, he's not allowed to wear anything on his head other than a turban. I believe exceptions are available on religious grounds.

ACC levies are so high because motorcyclists don't have the capacity to unite behind a lobby group. ACC motorcycle levies have nothing to do with actual injuries. They are an arbitrary tax applied to a group who looks like they are more vulnerable than most (despite the most expensive customers for ACC being a bloke with a chainsaw, a woman with a wheelbarrow and a woman riding a horse) and so can be targeted with made up stats and just because. The constant ad hominen whine about other motorcyclists "making our levies so high" is just another sign that the Government has not only won, we believe wholeheartedly the propaganda they used to justify raising it. Well I don't but I picking that you've perhaps bought into it?

It was a long term cash grab, based on making ACC a commercial medical insurance scheme.

How's this for a cunning first step for milking motorcyclists? They allowed the top end of the capacity range for LAMS bikes to exceed the second tier of ACC levy charges.

Stop blaming other motorcyclists for our failures at politics and have a think about how we can present a united front that is socially acceptable and therefore garners public support. "Motorcycling NZ Inc." needs to have at least a weekly presence in the press. Every time a motorcyclist is injured or dies there needs to be an expression of sympathy and call to investigate the causes of the incident and an offer of support to families, first responders and investigating agencies. Every time more than three motorcyclists get together and give money to charity there needs to be a motorcycle friendly article, not a hugely inaccurate piece of fluff written by a 12 year-old female reporter with one eye on a telly job telling us how lovely bikies are when they're not dealing P. Being visible once every 10 years or so is not doing "us" any good. Neither is using a public forum to further support the Government's "divide & conquer" strategy which so far is jolly well winning without much of a push back.

Its a good argument Jim but the women on horseback and wheelbarrows and blokes driving chainsaws aren't doing so on ROADS. Therefore they cannot be charged an ACC levy on their registrations...
I fully support your argument however.

[Conquiztador]

Someone w/o a helmet on a bike and it's news??? You need to get out more.

[Oakie]

Don't be a fuckin retard. How many people do you think get injured on road bikes from not wearing a helmet?

If it made one tenth of a percent of injuries, I'll eat my helmet.

That would be because there are probably only a tenth of a percent of bikers who don't habitually wear a lid.
Oh,a biker killed last year ago a few kms from where I live from head injuries following a crash, sans-lid. That'll be the tenth of a percenter for this city I guess.

[scumdog]

Someone w/o a helmet on a bike and it's news??? You need to get out more.

He did - that's how he got the pic.

[Oakie]

I can see chicken wings are on special at Countdown.

I remember watching the building that previously occupied that site burn down in the early 70's. It might have been Farmers ... I think. Spectacular blaze anyway.

[Berries]

Fucking farmers.

[Jezxa]

Its a good argument Jim but the women on horseback and wheelbarrows and blokes driving chainsaws aren't doing so on ROADS. Therefore they cannot be charged an ACC levy on their registrations...
I fully support your argument however.

Registrations shouldn't have ACC levies at all. We all already pay something like 2.5% of our income towards ACC so why should some groups have to pay again when others like horse riders and rugby players don't.

[awayatc]

So...any stats to prove 'clowns' on motorbikes who wear turbans instead of helmets injure their head more frequently/severely than people who wear helmets???

Stats from turban capital of the world (London):

improperly secured turbans become undone while riding, and getting caught in the spokes.
This tightens the turban suddenly and causes severe headinjuries, fatal above 50 kmh.
Turban checks on pullstart injuns to be included in WOF inspections
Red button push start Injuns however are exempt.


I don't wear a helmet either when I am sikh,
pretty dangerous to fill up helmet and block visor when you throw up...

[madandy]

Registrations shouldn't have ACC levies at all. We all already pay something like 2.5% of our income towards ACC so why should some groups have to pay again when others like horse riders and rugby players don't.

Rugby players do pay ACC. Its in their membership subscription fee at every club in the country. And all the semi-pro to full time professional players from regional through Super 15 and of course, the All Blacks pay it as well, from their salaries...

Its like saying why should I pay 30% fucking tax when you may only pay 20% and some pricks pay none, like akzle because he's such a clever bastard, being separate from this society and all that BS...some carry others due to being easier to tax because their activities are more easily monitored.

Try accurately measuring horse useage so as to levy the rider an acc charge...

[Brian d marge]

very important stuff i should be typing here , containing statistics and flashy graphs , with absolute concrete evidence im right

but

I dont care


on the grand scheme of things, ive got bigger issues with my hand arguing with my dick ,,,

Stephen

[skippa1]

Sikhs don't have to wear helmets because their heads are pre bandaged in case of a spill. That way they don't feature in the stats, because there is no treatment required