Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[sugilite:Me]

A nice reply - but one that doesn't answer the actual question posed:

On Policy, what is the difference between what you term 'Trumpism' and what would be termed traditional Conservatism?

In order to address anything you've said, we need to start there.

My point is, Trump is not a true conservative and only pays lip service to any actual conservative policy. To spell it out further, he simply does not follow policy. I have seen you list so called policies of the republicans, Trump barely pays any regard to those at all. If course your premise that I did not answer your question nicely sidesteps the repubs being ruled by a dictatorial Trump, too scared to get out of step lest be labeled a Rino. A sad state of affairs really - and I really mean that. America deserves better conservative polis than Trumps spineless mob. Imagine if the Repubs actually honored conservative values and the dems hauled themselves to a more central position and the two parties actually met somewhere in the middle and serviced the American people with honor. LOL as if that will ever happen.

[sugilite:Me]

Meanwhile, Republicans focusing on conservative values.....

[Stylo]

Meanwhile, Republicans focusing on conservative values.....

Trump claims he's a Patriot. He's anything but that. he only cares about his ego. A Patriot is anyone who vigorously supports his country and it's way of life. That's not Donald Trump. His ego, like Putins, is all that matters to make for their manly short falls.

Trump is a traitor. And a failed dictator. He pretended to be a President but his people soon became tired of his lies. Apart from the sector of people who can't think for themselves and need someone to do it for them. His base.

Look at the Trump '24 flags at the protests today. Incapable of making their own call so, Social media it is so..., let's follow Donald.

That's why he's supporting the small man Dictator Putin and his invasion of a peaceful country. They're both as weak as each other.

[TheDemonLord]

My point is, Trump is not a true conservative and only pays lip service to any actual conservative policy. To spell it out further, he simply does not follow policy. I have seen you list so called policies of the republicans, Trump barely pays any regard to those at all. If course your premise that I did not answer your question nicely sidesteps the repubs being ruled by a dictatorial Trump, too scared to get out of step lest be labeled a Rino. A sad state of affairs really - and I really mean that. America deserves better conservative polis than Trumps spineless mob. Imagine if the Repubs actually honored conservative values and the dems hauled themselves to a more central position and the two parties actually met somewhere in the middle and serviced the American people with honor. LOL as if that will ever happen.

Another sidestep - I have to press you on this:

What is it that you perceive as a difference?

And to give you an easy out - there's a few things I can think of, off the top of my head that would differentiate Trump's style of Conservatism to a more traditional style.

I'll even be generous - I'll let you keep all of those critiques about the current republicans for free - just a differentiation on policies, if you please.

[TheDemonLord]

Meanwhile, Republicans focusing on conservative values.....

Two can play at that game:

[sugilite:Me]

Two can play at that game:

Thank You for highlighting the absurdity of both parties, no contesting on the one I published I note.

[sugilite:Me]

Another sidestep - I have to press you on this:

What is it that you perceive as a difference?

And to give you an easy out - there's a few things I can think of, off the top of my head that would differentiate Trump's style of Conservatism to a more traditional style.

I'll even be generous - I'll let you keep all of those critiques about the current republicans for free - just a differentiation on policies, if you please.

ARRRG - Trump does not follow policy, why debate what he does not follow. He is a conservative Charleton. I'm sorry TDL, Trump needling the left and giving you happy feet does not count.
Right now half the repubs are supporting and cheering on Putin, no red flags there for you?

[sugilite:Me]

Trump and the US repubs are supporting Putin in his war, these brave russians are shown here fighting the good fight

https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6298857666001

[Stylo]

ARRRG - Trump does not follow policy, why debate what he does not follow. He is a conservative Charleton. I'm sorry TDL, Trump needling the left and giving you happy feet does not count.
Right now half the repubs are supporting and cheering on Putin, no red flags there for you?

You can't argue with stupid mate.

Let the TDL continue to rant his non-sensical alt-right BS. We all know it has no foundation as he/she refuses to clarify or provide proof to any statements he makes or quotes he gives. Asked for it, never given.

Don't get angry with him. We have a mental health issue here. Small person, lots to say ( too much to say ), unemployed and so angry at his place in the world that he gives him self ( or her self )the title of Demon...something.

Small people do that, I guess..

[Stylo]

Trump and the US repubs are supporting Putin in his war, these brave russians are shown here fighting the good fight

https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6298857666001

Total act of aggression from the Russian tank driver towards an innocent person.

He should be jailed for life for attempted murder. Trump would approve.

[Kickaha]

Total act of aggression from the Russian tank driver towards an innocent person.

He should be jailed for life for attempted murder. Trump would approve.

Given he said “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn’t lose any voters, ok? It’s, like, incredible.”, he probably would

[TheDemonLord]

Thank You for highlighting the absurdity of both parties, no contesting on the one I published I note.

Except there's a difference.

See, as bad as the Republicans are (remembering, I'm giving carte blanche on every criticism you can level at them) they believe in the American Ideal.

That's why appeals to personal Freedom (in the clips you gave) and attacks on what are 'Foreign ideals' (Marxist derived theories) are met with such thunderous applause in the Video you posted.

ARRRG - Trump does not follow policy, why debate what he does not follow. He is a conservative Charleton. I'm sorry TDL, Trump needling the left and giving you happy feet does not count.

Then you can't call it Trumpism. The funny thing is - I gave you several outs to differentiate the two (The biggest for me would probably be his prote - if you want to call something Trumpism, then you have to define it.

Right now half the repubs are supporting and cheering on Putin, no red flags there for you?

The only support and cheering I've seen from the Republicans is because everything that is happening now is a perfect microcosm of the absolute failure of the Biden Administration.

I've seen a lot of commentary saying the Putin is very smart (he is), that he's like a grand chess master in his ability to achieve his end-game.

I don't know whether you consider that support and cheering, I see it as acknowledging a worthy adversary.

And you can't deny that what Putin has done (if you consider it in terms of Putin getting what he wants) was exceptionally smart - obvious caveat, I don't agree with it nor do I think it's good - but like the Machiavellian Judo Master that he is, he's positioned himself carefully and then he's achieving his objective, knowing that Biden is no threat to him.

I put it to you that one of the reasons this didn't happen under Trump was because Trump had an air of unpredictability. You never knew when he was going to turn the other cheek (like when the drone was shot down) or assassinate you (like the ISIS leader) after a Twitter spat. Putin didn't try anything under Trump because (and yes, this is pure speculation) Putin didn't know how Trump would react - would he have gone with a full-scale military response? Possibly or would he have stuck to his non-interventionist policies? Also Possible. That uncertainty kept the world safe, whereas with Biden - Putin read them like a book.

[TheDemonLord]

You can't argue with stupid mate.

Let the TDL continue to rant his non-sensical alt-right BS. We all know it has no foundation as he/she refuses to clarify or provide proof to any statements he makes or quotes he gives. Asked for it, never given.

Don't get angry with him. We have a mental health issue here. Small person, lots to say ( too much to say ), unemployed and so angry at his place in the world that he gives him self ( or her self )the title of Demon...something.

Small people do that, I guess..

Do you even know what the Alt-Right is? I've never said anything Alt-Right. In case you're wondering - it's advocating for a Racial segregationist society, Kinda like saying 'Foreigners should go home'...

The funny thing is, I've met Sugilite, and despite regularly winding him up over my support of Trump, You'll never catch me saying a bad word about him. Somedays Sugi will even say a nice thing or two about me (depending on how much I've pissed him off)

[1/32 man]

But the US is not run by its figure head ie president where Putin is the only one who makes decisions....no man is an island and all that.

He is obviously becoming paranoid with stuff like "my gun is bigger than your gun" talk.

And now mentioning the nuke thing.....the guy is insane and dangerous.

[sugilite:Me]

Then you can't call it Trumpism. The funny thing is - I gave you several outs to differentiate the two (The biggest for me would probably be his prote - if you want to call something Trumpism, then you have to define it.

Here is a snippet, on Jan 6th House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy condemned Trump and said he would be censured. Several other republicans said similar, all that did not walk those statements back to Trumps satisfaction got primaried. All through his presidency he ruled through fear and a lot of republicans feared for their career. Anyone that went against Trumps word got fucked over royally. This is not a party that is free and open and democratic anymore, it is ruled by a very dictatorial Trump. Trumpisym. Oh, and no way in hell does Trump respect conservative values, well - only when and if it suits him. More Trumpisym.

The only support and cheering I've seen from the Republicans is because everything that is happening now is a perfect microcosm of the absolute failure of the Biden Administration.

Watch fox - holy shit

I put it to you that one of the reasons this didn't happen under Trump was because Trump had an air of unpredictability. You never knew when he was going to turn the other cheek (like when the drone was shot down) or assassinate you (like the ISIS leader) after a Twitter spat. Putin didn't try anything under Trump because (and yes, this is pure speculation) Putin didn't know how Trump would react - would he have gone with a full-scale military response? Possibly or would he have stuck to his non-interventionist policies? Also Possible. That uncertainty kept the world safe, whereas with Biden - Putin read them like a book.

Well, we can only speculate. Trumps unpredictability may have had an impact. However, Putin does not strike me as someone that scares easy. I think it will be a whole raft of factors as to why Putin made his move, not just Biden is president.