Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[TheDemonLord]

No, he's not, saw a bit about it the other night, included a woman in her 70's who's never had kids getting books banned from her local school just by objecting to them.

Sure doesn't sound like freedom.....

You missed the joke - the last time Pritch was complaining about Florida banning books, it turned out that the book in question wasn't banned in Florida and was actually recommended to be read. It was, however, banned in California for using Period-correct Racial Slurs (no points for guessing which).

However, I'm presuming that the ban you and he are referring to is from Duval county (this it the one that comes up most frequently).

https://pen.org/banned-books-florida/

I picked 2 at random.

One is about the TV Show 'I am Jazz' - a Transgender character.
The other is was about Dr James Barry - a Transgender (FtM) surgeon from the 1800s.

Hmmmmm I'm starting to notice a pattern and might have a wee bit of an inkling as to why they got banned.

Let's see... These books are part of a collection of works:

https://www.perfectionlearning.com/e...al-voices.html

Grades K-12, first line:

Engage all your students in independent reading through these diverse, inclusive collections

I smell a very distinct and familiar smell...

https://nextstep.perfectionlearning....riend-you-need

And Joseph recognizes that if you’re reading his book, “you’re probably a white person who wants to do better,” (16) but he also doesn’t hold back: “The world needs you to step up, or get out of the way, Particularly if you’re a white person. The world needs to be better, and because of the power that white people hold in society, much of that change needs to start with white people. The oppression that white people have inflicted on people of color since, well, damn, the very inception of this country can only be undone by the oppressors (white people).” (15–16)

....
One of the ways Joseph does this is by bolding terms and creating what he calls The Encyclopedia of Racism. As an expert Black person, Joseph, throughout the book, defines, adds context, and explains terms his white readers may need to explore further or need additional information to understand.

“I hope you already looked up white privilege from page 1.

And there it is. Woke, Intersectional, Marxist nonsense.

Oh, and Pritch - there's your CRT being taught to K-12 again, in case you want to deny it again.

Those bold statements are straight out of CRT.

[sugilite:Me]

As per my report, not much wrong with the principles of CRT.
There is a lot wrong with right wing pollies demonizing it and via their lying right wing "news" outlets in order to send their scardy cat white constituents to hide under their couches.

[pete376403]

The other is was about Dr James Barry - a Transgender (FtM) surgeon from the 1800s..

James Barrys "transgenderism" was the only way that she could become a doctor, at a time when the practice was male only " A renowned military surgeon, he rose to become inspector general of hospitals – one of the highest army medical posts – and served throughout the British empire. Notoriously irascible, Barry fought a duel with a fellow officer, ticked off Florence Nightingale and survived several army inquiries into his conduct. He was a humane doctor, fervent public health reformer and famous for his peculiarities: a teetotaller and vegetarian, he travelled with a menagerie of small animals."
As she at some stage had a child, she was still female when needed. I am sure hte people whose lives were saved by the doctor probably had no problems with how she dressed and appeared.

[TheDemonLord]

As per my report, not much wrong with the principles of CRT.

Did you read the works of Antonio Gramsci yet? Or at least, an overview of his work and how it relates to CRT?

Because I assure you, there is everything wrong with the Principles of CRT.

Let's start with an easy one - Was Integration good or bad?

There is a lot wrong with right wing pollies demonizing it and via their lying right wing "news" outlets in order to send their scardy cat white constituents to hide under their couches.

If anything, the right wing news outlets don't go far enough.

[TheDemonLord]

James Barrys "transgenderism" was the only way that she could become a doctor, at a time when the practice was male only " A renowned military surgeon, he rose to become inspector general of hospitals – one of the highest army medical posts – and served throughout the British empire. Notoriously irascible, Barry fought a duel with a fellow officer, ticked off Florence Nightingale and survived several army inquiries into his conduct. He was a humane doctor, fervent public health reformer and famous for his peculiarities: a teetotaller and vegetarian, he travelled with a menagerie of small animals."
As she at some stage had a child, she was still female when needed. I am sure hte people whose lives were saved by the doctor probably had no problems with how she dressed and appeared.

This is not a slight on their achievements - only to say which particular angle is being taken.

In terms of the victorian description - "Someone who lived publicly as the opposite sex for their entire life" - absolutely fits the modern definition of being Transgender.

[sugilite:Me]

Did you read the works of Antonio Gramsci yet? Or at least, an overview of his work and how it relates to CRT?

They ditched him as he was too radical, quietly let him go so to speak. They clearly realized he was just going to hurt their cause.
The GOP could take a leaf out of that approach with several in their party.
I have done my research. I know your views and they are baseless radical right gibber jabber aimed at scaring the base. I see no merit in engaging in this subject with you.
Because you are so hopelessly biased to the right, your arguments inevitably are almost always circular - in ever decreasing radius until you are forced to spout absolute twaddle as evidenced in my signature. A reminder to myself and others just how hopelessly compromised you are and the absurdity you will go to in order too make yourself belief your view is the only possible correct one.

[F5 Dave]

And I'm getting the feeling he may identify as Dork. Just put him on ignore and he goes away.

[TheDemonLord]

They ditched him as he was too radical, quietly let him go so to speak. They clearly realized he was just going to hurt their cause.

The GOP could take a leaf out of that approach with several in their party.

Oh really?

I have done my research. I know your views and they are baseless radical right gibber jabber aimed at scaring the base. I see no merit in engaging in this subject with you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Gramsci

Antonio Francesco Gramsci 22 January 1891 – 27 April 1937) was an Italian Marxist philosopher, journalist, linguist, writer, and politician.

Now, Forgive me a moment Dear Sugi - but could you clarify as to what you mean in the first part?

Because given that I'm talking about an 1930s Italian Marxist (whose theory on Cultural Hegemony is key to the formation of CRT and other Critical Theories) - your answer makes no sense. It would seem that at best, your research is incomplete.

In your CRT review, you correct identified the roots of CRT to the Frankfurt School - a few quotes from Wikipedia (that notorious Right Wing source):

The Frankfurt School perspective of critical investigation (open-ended and self-critical) is based upon Freudian, Marxist and Hegelian premises of idealist philosophy.

and

Like Karl Marx, the Frankfurt School concerned themselves with the conditions (political, economic, societal) that allow for social change realized by way of rational social institutions.[6] Their emphasis on the critical component of social theory derived from their attempts to overcome the ideological limitations of positivism, materialism, and determinism by returning to the critical philosophy of Kant and his successors in German idealism—principally the philosophy of Hegel, which emphasized dialectic and contradiction as intellectual properties inherent to the human grasp of material reality.

Now, I know I get accused of writing screeds of text, but not even my worst posts are a scratch on the Jibber-Jabber and Twaddle of deep Marxist theory. However, here is a rough translation:

"We have envisioned in our big brains how the world ought to be and so will attempt to bring our ideal vision into being by constant revolution"

The problem is that CRT's whole purpose is to undermine the social cohesion, so that a Communist Revolution can happen. How do I know this? Because they cite Gramsci and his theory of Cultural Hegemony. Don't believe me?

Again, from famed Right-wing Source, Wikipedia:

The war of position is an intellectual and cultural struggle wherein the anti-capitalist revolutionary creates a proletarian culture whose native value system counters the cultural hegemony of the bourgeoisie. The proletarian culture will increase class consciousness, teach revolutionary theory and historical analysis, and thus further develop revolutionary organisation among the social classes.[7] After winning the war of position, socialist leaders would then have the necessary political power and popular support to realise the war of manœuvre, the political praxis of revolutionary socialism.

Replace the word 'Class' with the word 'Race' and it reads word-for-word like your definition of CRT.

Because you are so hopelessly biased to the right, your arguments inevitably are almost always circular - in ever decreasing radius until you are forced to spout absolute twaddle as evidenced in my signature.

I mean sure, if you strip away all that important Context, it does seem silly. When you factor in the actual context, it becomes a lot less silly.

Case in point (since you raised your signature) - there is as much evidence that Fred Trump was at the KKK protesting about it (and arrested for that) as there is that he was at the KKK rally participating in it (and arrested for that).

However one side takes the arrest as proof he's a racist.

You say a lot about bias and absolutism on my part, and to a degree it's warranted, but what about yours?

A reminder to myself and others just how hopelessly compromised you are and the absurdity you will go to in order too make yourself belief your view is the only possible correct one.

You know, you never actually answered one of my other challenges (since we are talking about CRT) - you used to mock me every time I pointed to 'Deep Marxist Roots' - was I correct?

Because to answer that question is to call into doubt the legitimacy of saying I'm compromised to absurdity.

In fact, if I'm correct on this (and I dare say, based on the above, I am), then it is not Me that is Compromised.

[pritch]

Oh, and Pritch - there's your CRT being taught to K-12 again, in case you want to deny it again.
bold statements are straight out of CRT.

Absolutely wrong. CRT is a specific thing. It's not whatever the right wing rabble rousers decide. The Christo fascists and their easily led followers are told crap just to keep them riled up. See also Antifa, Sharia law, grooming, drag shows, etc etc. All this when the real danger to the kids is their pastors and Christian youth group leaders. Then again you saw voting anomolies where none existed, and you thought Trump was a successful business man. You have zero credibility.

Oh, and the banned books include a modern novel about the rise of fascism among ordinary folk in Germany in the thirties. The Diary of Anne Frank is banned too.
They must be worried about offending Nazis. (Offending other Nazis?)

[sugilite:Me]

The first part makes perfect sense. the incomprehension is yours.
The rest is jibber jabber as predicted.
The problem for you is I did do my research.

Your 4th attempt at defending your fred trump quote in no better than the first three, and the fact you keep trying confirms you have no awareness of the absurdity you spout. Hence pointless in directly engaging you in these types of arguements - just a total waste of time.

[TheDemonLord]

Absolutely wrong. CRT is a specific thing.

So what is it when you teach kids the CRT definition of Race, the CRT conception of Race, the CRT version of Race Consciousness, if not teaching CRT?

You never answered this, and I doubt you ever will.

It's not whatever the right wing rabble rousers decide. The Christo fascists and their easily led followers are told crap just to keep them riled up. See also Antifa, Sharia law, grooming, drag shows, etc etc. All this when the real danger to the kid sis their pastors and Christian youth group leaders. Then again you saw voting anomolies where none existed, and you thought Trump was a successful business man. You have zero credibility.

Antifa exist and have committed acts of Terrorism.
Sharia Law definitely exists and has been implemented to a degree in the UK
Grooming definitely happens (see Rochdale and others)
Drag Shows - Drag Queens are innapropriate for Children.

Tell me Pritch, if a Full grown man, in a dress said that he wants to talk to your 5 year old child about Sex - what is your first reaction?

And be honest with me - cause I'm going to be it's not going to be 'Sure! let me leave you two alone, what could possibly go wrong?'

Oh, and the banned books include a modern novel about the rise of fascism among ordinary folk in Germany in the thirties. The Diary of Anne Frank is banned too.
They must be worried about offending Nazis. (Ottending other Nazis?)

I just looked on the link I posted, can't find the Diary of Anne Frank on there - the only reference I could find was a Florida library that wanted to stock all the books they thought were banned - and they included Anne Frank's Diary.

They also included To Kill a Mockingbird - which as I'm sure you'll remember - isn't banned in Florida...

[TheDemonLord]

The first part makes perfect sense. the incomprehension is yours.
The rest is jibber jabber as predicted.
The problem for you is I did do my research.

You did some research. The first part makes zero sense, they didn't 'ditch him' - he was long since dead.

https://archive.org/details/encyclop...e/344/mode/1up

"Draws broadly from the thought of Gramsci"

Doesn't sound much like they ditched him, sounds like they embraced him.

https://jordaninstituteforfamilies.o...ace_Theory.pdf

"also draws from certain European philosophers and theorists, such as Antonio Gramsci"

I could go on - so pray Tell - How did they 'ditch him'?

However - let's cut right to the question you refuse to answer:

"Is TDL correct about CRT having deep Marxist roots?"

A Simply Yes or No will suffice, but I'll grant you all the nuance you want to add.

Your 4th attempt at defending your fred trump quote in no better than the first three, and the fact you keep trying confirms you have no awareness of the absurdity you spout. Hence pointless in directly engaging you in these types of arguements - just a total waste of time.

The problem is that you are trying to portray something as a fact when at best we don't have the evidence for it. You want to portray Fred as a Racist, because you want to portray The Don as a Racist.

Fine.

In order to do so, you have to go alllllllll the way back to the 1920s and dig up an arrest.

Also, Fine.

The problem is that you don't have the evidence for what you are asserting - and I think USA Today (again, famed right-wing source) articulates it best:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ar/3209853001/

Among those arrested, the article identifies a man with the name and address of the home of Trump’s father in Jamaica, Queens. The article details the charges filed against six of the men. However, it does not identify any charges against the elder Trump and merely states that he “was discharged.”

The article does not say Trump's father was a member or supporter of the KKK or whether he was a bystander, falsely accused or otherwise the victim of mistaken identity during the chaotic event.

It's entirely possible he was a Racist.
It's also entirely possible since he lived in the area where the march happened that he was caught up in it.

We don't know.

What we do know, however, is that there is no other documented instances of him being involved with any Klan activity in the 70+ years since that arrest.

You care about Truth and lies - well, there's the Truth and there's your lie (by omission).

[sugilite:Me]

Strike 5.....

[TheDemonLord]

Strike 5.....

Indeed - you still refuse to answer the direct question as to whether I'm about CRT and Marxism.

If I was wrong, you'd point it out.

Kinda leaves only one option, doesn't it?

[sugilite:Me]

He swings and misses.
I addressed deep marxist roots within that institution in my report.
It does not in anyway devalue what CRT is actually about.
A good idea is a good idea. I care not where it came from.

You can be scared shitless of marxism, it is your right. I just don't live in paranoia and fear of it like you do. Reminds me of the time I said your first name, I think you must have thought you were on many, many peoples hit list - it is actually the ignore list. So quite the opposite when you think about it.
Why so Timid?