Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[TheDemonLord]

America's problem is the preponderance of religiosity. They were fucked from the start because Puritans. With that comes intolerance, greed, fear of the "other" whatever that is, preponderance of unquestioning obedience, submission to fascism, basically everything that should be anathema in modern society.

You can compare it directly with the Scandinavian countries where there is a much smaller dependence on stone age bullshit, and a corresponding increase in civil society. It really is that simple in my view.

The Scandinavian countries also have compulsory military service - which tends to increase levels of social cohesion.

[F5 Dave]

America's problem is the preponderance of religiosity. They were fucked from the start because Puritans. With that comes intolerance, greed, fear of the "other" whatever that is, preponderance of unquestioning obedience, submission to fascism, basically everything that should be anathema in modern society.

You can compare it directly with the Scandinavian countries where there is a much smaller dependence on stone age bullshit, and a corresponding increase in civil society. It really is that simple in my view.

Yeah but they somehow managed to deprogram out of that dogma. You will note the common theme of all their flags is the crucifix.

On the other hand they came from having cool God's like Woden (later Odin). So maybe they were open to change.

[F5 Dave]

No Sadly this thread will not end. If he'd lost it may well have, aside his legal comeuppance.

Meanwhile:

In even broader terms, it was seen as a victory for conservative, isolationist forces supported by Russia against a liberal, Western-dominated global order that the Kremlin (and its allies) have been seeking to undermine.

In his first remarks since the election, President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that the West’s post-Cold War monopoly on global power was “irrevocably disappearing,” before going on to praise Trump for behaving “courageously” during an attempt on his life this summer. . .

Translation: My puppet will stay quiet while we do dodgy shit in , for now, quiet areas of the western consciousness, and if he doesn't he may have an accident.

[pritch]

There must be a lot of confused women and blacks in America right now then...

And a lot of confused Hispanics. They voted for Trump in numbers, notwithstanding his policy to deport them. When asked, they thought that Trump's threats did not relate to them personally.

Apparently young black males voted Trump in numbers too, and suburban white woman have always prioritised racism over gender issues.

[pritch]

If nothing else the election result proved again the value of propaganda. The US economy has been going well with full employment, the stock market breaking records etc. Trump following the gospel according to Goebbels worked.

Musk's economic proposals would tank the US economy and consequently cause chaos in the world economy. So too Trump's tariff plan.

Trump is 78, is unwell, unfit, has an unhealthy diet, and will be subject to continual stress. He may not make it through the next four years. Not that the thought of President Vance is exactly reassuring.

[TheDemonLord]

If nothing else the election result proved again the value of propaganda. The US economy has been going well with full employment, the stock market breaking records etc. Trump following the gospel according to Goebbels worked.

Full Employment... Because people have had to take second and third jobs to afford the Biden caused Inflation.

Yes, telling people not to believe their lying eyes works out so well.

Musk's economic proposals would tank the US economy and consequently cause chaos in the world economy. So too Trump's tariff plan.

These are the same 'Economists' that believe Socialism can work and that the US economy was great under Biden.

Suffice to say I do not trust their predictions.

Trump is 78, is unwell, unfit, has an unhealthy diet, and will be subject to continual stress. He may not make it through the next four years. Not that the thought of President Vance is exactly reassuring.

Trump is the same age that Biden was when Biden took office - and you told us, at length, how this was a non-issue (I believe you called it a RWNJ Conspiracy...)

Unwell - I dont think so.
Unfit - seems to have no trouble moving around.
An Unhealthy Diet - maybe, maybe not.

And subject to Continual Stress - so this is more interesting. If you look at how a Presidency typically ages someone - Obama, Clinton, Bush, Tony Blair all spring to mind how they look after their time in office - they have aged about 10 years in the space of 4.

Yet, with Trump - the man seems to thrive on it. What other 78 year old man would do a 3 hour convo without a break, then go do a 2 hour rally.

[R650R]

If nothing else the election result proved again the value of propaganda. The US economy has been going well with full employment, the stock market breaking records etc. Trump following the gospel according to Goebbels worked.

Musk's economic proposals would tank the US economy and consequently cause chaos in the world economy. So too Trump's tariff plan.

Trump is 78, is unwell, unfit, has an unhealthy diet, and will be subject to continual stress. He may not make it through the next four years. Not that the thought of President Vance is exactly reassuring.

Some candid interviews here with truckers paints a different economic picture, and they are the ones who see freight volumes.
More than a few people think any president is just a puppet of the corporations on both sides. The disrespect shown to citizens by letting the clearly deficient Biden stumble on for so long only reinforces that. And Kamala had three years to do stuff of significance but didn’t really.
And all that fear porn about him becoming a dictator well why didn’t he do it last time???
Yes there will be some disruption economically but he’s about doing business and the dust will settle and everything will reach equilibrium agsin

[onearmedbandit]

And a lot of confused Hispanics. They voted for Trump in numbers, notwithstanding his policy to deport them. When asked, they thought that Trump's threats did not relate to them personally.

I didn't realise he was planning to deport legal immigrants.

[TheDemonLord]

I didn't realise he was planning to deport legal immigrants.

Dont you know that according to the Left, No one is illegal, therefore everyone is a Legal Migrant, therefore wanting to deport illegal migrants means they want to deport legal migrants...

[pritch]

I didn't realise he was planning to deport legal immigrants.

I suspect that was meant to be sarcastic but Trump has said he will change the law so as to render legal immigrants illegal. Apart from which, to deport the numbers he is talking legality wouldn't enter into it. A brown face would be enough.

[onearmedbandit]

I suspect that was meant to be sarcastic but Trump has said he will change the law so as to render legal immigrants illegal. Apart from which, to deport the numbers he is talking legality wouldn't enter into it. A brown face would be enough.

Actually it wasn't, I can't say I pay too much attention to other countries policies that don't affect me. I did a quick search on google for "trump to change law to class legal immigrants as illegal" and couldn't find anything specifically relating to that claim (bear in mind I only spent a few minutes digging but I figured it would appear in the first few results). I did find this from the following sources (I make no claim on whether they are valid sources or not).

Trump made plans for mass deportations of undocumented immigrants a central feature of his immigration discussions ahead of securing his second term. He signaled an ambition to carry out what he calls the “largest domestic deportation operation in American history.” That could mean a years-long effort to remove an estimated 11 million people who are in the country without authorization. The Trump Administration aims to leverage expedited removal processes, which allow for rapid deportations without the usual legal hearings.

https://time.com/7171654/donald-trum...ion-plan-2024/

The promise of mass deportations was a cornerstone of Trump’s campaign and could be a focus for his administration. His stated goal is to remove the estimated 12 million people in the United States illegally, many of whom who were able to enter under the policies of the Biden administration.

https://rollcall.com/2024/11/06/trum...tion-policies/

I guess that one is aligned to what you are claiming? Once again I don't know the bias of that report but they do state 'illegally' even if under the policies of the previous administration.

There are others that are behind paywalls that talk about his support of legal immigration and work against illegal immigration (Washington Post etc) but as I can't read the full body of the articles they carry no weight. If you can provide a link stating that he plans to deport documented immigrants (or anyone with a brown face) I'm happy to read and learn. I have no skin in the game and no bias either way, but I'm always interested in finding out more about some of these claims.

[R650R]

Strap yourselves in. Next year America will be celebrating 250 years as a country and Trump is planning on having a year long celebration of everything great past present and future for the nation. What a legacy that will be even with his other indiscretions….

“Here's the basic plan:

On day one of his presidency, Donald Trump creates the "Salute to America 250 Task Force," whose sole purpose is to create the biggest birthday bash America has ever seen.

Included in that plan is a one-year celebration involving local and state governments, starting on Memorial Day 2025 and culminating on July 4, 2026.

Also during that time, Trump wants to use the Iowa State Fairgrounds to create a national state fair, showcasing the best achievements (past, present, and future) of every state.

Then he wants to finish the garden of monuments celebrating American heroes that Biden nixed when he took office.

He wants to create a nationwide competition involving high school athletes to celebrate America's future generation.

Trump will invite the leaders and citizens of nations around the world to visit our country to honor this anniversary.

And finally, Trump will ask America's religious communities to pray for our country.

And let's not forget that starting in June of 2026, the FIFA World Cup will be held across 11 American cities: Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Dallas, Houston, Kansas City, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Miami, Boston and New York.

The last World Cup in 2022 attracted 5 billion viewers across the world.

Either one of these events would be amazing in themselves, but together? We're looking at a blowout year America hasn't seen since the Chicago World's Fair of 1893.”

[Dean]

We’ve been through it all — the criticism, the attacks, the challenges, in our lives and on here — but we never backed down.

They said we were wrong. They said we didn’t matter. But look at us now, standing stronger than ever before.

The road wasn’t easy. Two assassination attempts on Trump. They tried to impeach him. The media tried to silence us. They tried to tear us apart. But we kept fighting for what’s right.

This victory is for New Zealand. It’s for the values that have always made this country unique. And it’s a promise for a future where we continue to put our people and traditional values first.

We rise from the ashes

[Berries]

Are you on drugs?

[sugilite:Me]

This victory is for New Zealand. It’s for the values that have always made this country unique. And it’s a promise for a future where we continue to put our people and traditional values first.

This part of your post is a damming indictment on New Zealands education system. New Zealand is not the 51st state of the USA.
No amount of Saturday beersies is going to change that!
My wife, born in the mid south of the USA uses a word that when combined with her southern drawl cracks me up everytime, and I feel it applies perfectly here. "Wackadoodle"