Robert Taylor and idleidolidyll's political debating thread

**Mr Merde** · 5th October 2007, 16:02

Originally Posted by idleidolidyll

so you think you can continue to fuck over the planet and not have to pay for it?

Kyoto is way better than the Aussie and Yank way: ignore it and hope it'll blow over

Maybe but as far as I can see the government as it stands now are using it as a means odf just covering their arses.

They raise taxes on anything and blame it on Kyoto. They came back saying that it ewasnt going to actually cost this country anything then a few months later it turns out that we have to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to a group of peiople who are outside of this country and do absolutely nothing for this country. How much of those millions have been diverted from roading, from health, from policing, from education. I will lay money that none of it actually comes from the polititions that signed the agreement.

Recently DOC had their use of 1080 poison confirmed for air delivery on 75% of all national parks in NZ

The reason , the Kyoto agreement. They argued that the animals they destroy eat vegitation and produce methane gas. Therefore by killing them off they can claim the carbon credits and sell them off.

1080. NZ is the only country in the world that allows arial dropping of this poison.

1080 A close cousin to Agent Orange, but not dangerous to any of us (TUI Moment)

1080 an accumulative poison that kills everything in an area it has been used.

Kill everything and claim the carbon credits because they dont fart any more.

What fucked up bloody reasoning here and it is indicitive of the current govermental policies.

Lets all kiss the arses of the greenies and fuck over the world in the name of saving it.

Enlightened policy making doesnt seem to be the forte of anyn of the current batch of polititians here ijn NZ.

Our standard of living is slowly eroding, our social welfare once the envy of the world is now a joke. Educationally this is a backwards nation.

Merde

**SPman** · 5th October 2007, 16:08

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Maybe but as far as I can see the government as it stands now are using it as a means odf just covering their arses.

They raise taxes on anything and blame it on Kyoto. They came back saying that it ewasnt going to actually cost this country anything then a few months later it turns out that we have to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to a group of peiople who are outside of this country and do absolutely nothing for this country. How much of those millions have been diverted from roading, from health, from policing, from education. I will lay money that none of it actually comes from the polititions that signed the agreement.

Recently DOC had their use of 1080 poison confirmed for air delivery on 75% of all national parks in NZ

The reason , the Kyoto agreement. They argued that the animals they destroy eat vegitation and produce methane gas. Therefore by killing them off they can claim the carbon credits and sell them off.

1080. NZ is the only country in the world that allows arial dropping of this poison.

1080 A close cousin to Agent Orange, but not dangerous to any of us (TUI Moment)

1080 an accumulative poison that kills everything in an area it has been used.

Kill everything and claim the carbon credits because they dont fart any more.

What fucked up bloody reasoning here and it is indicitive of the current govermental policies.

Lets all kiss the arses of the greenies and fuck over the world in the name of saving it.

Enlightened policy making doesnt seem to be the forte of anyn of the current batch of polititians here ijn NZ.

Our standard of living is slowly eroding, our social welfare once the envy of the world is now a joke. Educationally this is a backwards nation.

Merde

Unfortumately, it looks like Kyoto and the whole carbon trading scheme is becoming a rort to business, and another RMA to government! - both of which most people need like a hole in the head!
Even the likelihood of a hole in the head is getting more and more probable, when societies start to get to this state - http://infowars.net/articles/october...1007Seized.htm
Its not just the USA that has slid toward a petty dictatorship!

**mstriumph** · 5th October 2007, 16:18

Originally Posted by SPman

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............."Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence."

- Love that Thomas Jefferson!

yep! and not forgetting this one
"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive"

**The Stranger:Me** · 5th October 2007, 16:41

Originally Posted by Goblin

I notice one thing missing in the Robert Taylor and III political debate thread. Where's Robert Taylor?

Unfortunately, being a right winger he has to work so the rest of us leftys can get money for fucking around on KB all day. It's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it.
Yo, go Robert, keep it up.

**Guitana** · 5th October 2007, 17:03

Originally Posted by SPman

Unfortumately, it looks like Kyoto and the whole carbon trading scheme is becoming a rort to business, and another RMA to government! - both of which most people need like a hole in the head!

Oh yeah the government seems to think that because you're in buisness you're rich, well we would be if we were'nt taxed and penalised until our arses bleed, you really feel like you're being fucked over everyday you come to work or sit down to watch the news, hullo aunty helen and her arse bandit suck ups are thinking up new ways to suck your money up! Maybe all buisness owners should just send all of their earnings to aunty Helen and get pocket money from her once a week!

**idleidolidyll** · 5th October 2007, 18:09

Originally Posted by The Stranger

You speak of accountability yet support klarke?

if you were awake and reading my posts you'd have seen me say several times that I don't support either Clark or Keys

**idleidolidyll** · 5th October 2007, 18:15

Originally Posted by Waylander

Give up on using the term 'yank' then cause it's insulting to me.
I was born in the South I was raised in the South and I've never been north of the Mason-Dixon. And if you went to any of the southern states and started calling people 'yanks' you'd probably get shot.

well i'm not gonna call you american because that's even MORE insulting to the rest of the two american continents: what else would you suggest?

**idleidolidyll** · 5th October 2007, 18:17

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Maybe but as far as I can see the government as it stands now are using it as a means odf just covering their arses.

No, it may not be the whole solution but we have to start somewhere. Starting at Kyoto at least raises the awareness of the issue as a real one and that is a worthy beginning. Some suggest that economies may have to shrink by as much as 15% and blaming that on Clark is fatuous.

Rather blame it on us and all those before us who did the damage not those trying to awaken us to it and reduce the effects

**Goblin** · 5th October 2007, 18:34

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Unfortunately, being a right winger he has to work so the rest of us leftys can get money for fucking around on KB all day. It's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it.
Yo, go Robert, keep it up.

Yup! It's a hard road to find the perfect right winger. Just when it was turning into a mass debate too.

**idleidolidyll** · 5th October 2007, 18:44

more like he hasn't found a good work life balance like this socialist......................getting rich is a waste of time when your heart gives out at 52

**terbang** · 5th October 2007, 18:53

Originally Posted by Goblin

Yup! It's a hard road to find the perfect right winger. Just when it was turning into a mass debate too.

Too right, 15 year old right wing schoolboys have been doing that for centuries. Beware of bespectacled right wingers.

**Robert Taylor** · 5th October 2007, 18:59

Originally Posted by Swoop

With all the greenies wanting to "save the planet" with biofuel crops replacing edible ones, there will be more wars to come.
Some for food resources.
Some for water resources.

Exactly, and it hasnt escaped everyones attention that we are one of the worlds food and water resources and a gateway to the Antarctic. Who was it that said we live in a ''benign environment'' when it comes to defending ourselves?....was it the same conniving ''b eye tee see h'' that removed our Air strike capability, even though it was symbolic and at least stated that up until then we werent completely bludging off others defensive capabilities.

Heck, I think I had something to do with starting this thread.

**Goblin** · 5th October 2007, 18:59

Originally Posted by idleidolidyll

more like he hasn't found a good work life balance like this socialist......................getting rich is a waste of time when your heart gives out at 52

Well said! I vote III Master Debater!

**carver** · 5th October 2007, 19:08

Originally Posted by idleidolidyll

My suggestion is that if you truly beilive the Amerikan way: blood money and profit at the expense of human life, is the right way, you should volunteer to go fight for them in iraq.

The only reason the Yanks entered WW2 on the allies side is because they were pushed into it by the Japanese. Until then they had been happily playing both sides for a profit margin trading with Hitler (specifically the Bush family and Henry Ford).

Amerika is not the world's hope, it is the self serving destructor.

As for your last comment. L[/COLOR]aissez-faire Capitalism relies on creating a vast gap between the haves and have nots and also relies on a pool of unemployed. It is nothing less that a new form of serfdom for workers. I applaud socialist measures within a society to ameliorate the abuse that free market capitalism usually leads to. I care for those abused and trampled by the system.

get outa here ya commie!! capitalism rules....ya get what you work for...none of this silly socialist handout fair it up rubbish..
if you work and try hard, you prosper...anyhow, who said life was fair?
however, i do not support its wars