Penalised for trying to help

[boomer]

This is the thread Dangerous is talking about
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=63581
as you can see the thread originator has asked for it to kept "On Topic" which his post certainly wasn't and I suggested he start a thread in here

While the message he is trying to convey is worthwhile the manner in which he is doing it needs some work and we have had numerous complaints about his input into the last "Canterbury cruisy night thread"



Now having ridden with Dangerous a couple of times I'd have to say I've seen him cut corners and cross the centreline twice on the one ride and have spoken to other riders who have ridden with him and seen the same

In my opinion If you want to preach to other riders, then you need to be squeaky clean yourself or it becomes "do as I say not as I do"

You're here, as a mod, to follow rules or rather make sure others follow rules.. not pass judgement !


posting in a wrong forum is a yellow card offence and you know it! Get ya head out of your arse.. and either act as a mod or act as in individual...!


What a plonker! .. Mental Trousers/ Cajun.... you need to do something about this ABUSE of power .

[enigma51]

Read the reponse and got to say WOW still stands. If thats off topic then you need to infract yourself for talking about his antics cause this thread is about his infraction not his riding

or is that do as i say not as i do?

[sugilite:Me]

Getting a red for offering safety advice is a bit over the top me thinks.

I've seen these centre line threads come and go before, I've never commented in them, till now.
On right handers with FULL visibility, I do not hesitate to cross it. I'm not over there by accident or because of inaccurate vanishing lines, but simply because I trust my eyes and like taking perfect swoopy lines. My point is, I trust my ability to look and see what obstacles must be navigated. If one cannot trust themselves on this, what about intersections and overtaking maneuvers, should one even be on a bike at all?

Group rides require common sense, rather than a lemming approach. Every one should give and respect space and take responsibility for their own actions. I ride for myself, I cannot ride for others and besides, KB stands for Kiwi Biker, not Kiwi Babysitter.

As for blind right handers, keep bar ends on your side of the paint and even then, never go in a corner so hot that you cannot pick it up if you have to. Oppps, was that advice? Hope I don't get red!

[jrandom]

Not to put too fine a point on it, sometimes an experienced rider will cross the centerline and it'll be safe, and sometimes a n00b will cross it and be dicing with a very messy death.

When someone dishes out advice, it should be taken purely on its own merits. Ad hominem shit just isn't worth bothering with.

[Kickaha]

cause this thread is about his infraction not his riding

hmm good point, in that case he deserves another infraction for posting in the wrong forum

It is also about riding behaviour, not just his infraction

[enigma51]

hmm good point, in that case he deserves another infraction for posting in the wrong forum

It is also about riding behaviour, not just his infraction

Me think you have problem a fucking serious one. It moderators like you that piss everyone off

[Ixion]

This is the thread Dangerous is talking about
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=63581
as you can see the thread originator has asked for it to kept "On Topic" which his post certainly wasn't and I suggested he start a thread in here

While the message he is trying to convey is worthwhile the manner in which he is doing it needs some work and we have had numerous complaints about his input into the last "Canterbury cruisy night thread"



Now having ridden with Dangerous a couple of times I'd have to say I've seen him cut corners and cross the centreline twice on the one ride and have spoken to other riders who have ridden with him and seen the same

In my opinion If you want to preach to other riders, then you need to be squeaky clean yourself or it becomes "do as I say not as I do"

Nonsense. There is nothing at all wrong with saying to someone "I notice you have a habit of X. It's a rather bad habit, because Y. Maybe you don't realise you are doing it, it is an easy thing to get into the habit of. I know I do it myself , and it's something I am working on to correct".

Not that I do, cos I can't be arsed anymore trying to stop people killing themselves . I realised a while ago that KB is Ostrich Central and that all people want to do is stick their heads in the sand. Every crash is "just one of those things"; "shit happens" ; just a silly mistake"; "it was the other guy's fault".

The original comment pertained specifically to the behaviour on the ride, so it can't be off topic. Someone else posted that they enjoyed following rider X, whose lines were very smooth. Was that off topic also ?

The reason for the complaints is not that the post was off topic. It's because people become angry when anyone suggests taking their heads out of the sand.

There'll be more funeral threads here before the season's done. It's all good, my Gene-o-Kleen shares go up.

[dangerous]

Now having ridden with Dangerous a couple of times I'd have to say I've seen him cut corners and cross the centreline twice on the one ride and have spoken to other riders who have ridden with him and seen the same

In my opinion If you want to preach to other riders, then you need to be squeaky clean yourself or it becomes "do as I say not as I do"

We havent riden to geather for a year and the ride you are refering to was 2yrs ago, this new crusade of mine is just the latest improvment I am trying.. I will always be trying to improve MY and other riders skills... I am no saint and infact often a right dumbarse, how else would I not know of the dangers if I havent experanced them.

[SPman]

If you can't ride safely, smoothly and quickly, with maximun fun, within the confines of the white lines, you shouldn't be on a PUBLIC HIGHWAY at all!
They aren't personal racetracks!

[fireball]

i thought you were right from what ive read, you should always speak your mind esp when lives are involved it may save a life.
you can give me advice on my riding any day.... learning is good.
keep talking up one day someone may listening and get over their pride...hopefully before its too late.

[enigma51]

If you can't ride safely, smoothly and quickly, with maximun fun, within the confines of the white lines, you shouldn't be on a PUBLIC HIGHWAY at all!
They aren't personal racetracks!

So why is it the coro gp


PS just a stab at putting some humour in before xmas day

Have a good xmas all

You to kickha

[dangerous]

On right handers with FULL visibility, I do not hesitate to cross it. I'm not over there by accident or because of inaccurate vanishing lines, but simply because I trust my eyes and like taking perfect swoopy lines. My point is, I trust my ability to look and see what obstacles must be navigated. If one cannot trust themselves on this, what about intersections and overtaking maneuvers, should one even be on a bike at all?

AHHHHHH HA, and her lies the problem... the guys that have died in the past the guy that died yesterday all in head ons... I bet if you were to ask them if they saw the on comming bike/cage... they would say NO, I bet you they trusted their ability <--- your word aswell.

With any acco the rider/driver usually says "I didnt see you" well fuck me thers ya answer.

Now You say you cross the line, ok in the last ride I did that started this thread I was indercating to pass a rider on a right hander, I could see he could see.. but he then swang across the center and apexed the RIGHT hand side of the rd, had I not been onto it we would have colided.
Theres to much at stake, its not just about seing ahead.

[AllanB]

A funny old thing group rides - in theory a great idea - a group of like minded people enjoying their like minded machines on public roads at presumably legal speeds.

In reality a mad race by the bunch at the front, a reality check for the ones in the middle (me) and another blow to the ego of the ones at the back!


Frankly for a brand new rider I'd advise them to stay away from group rides unless they are organised with experienced riders setting a sensible pace.

So mate if you are offering any advise to riders that may help them - go for it.

As far as off topic goes, I've been on a few sites over the years and frankly the bits I enjoy the most are the banter between members - often way off topic but good fun. The most boring ones I've seen are strictly technical.

Hey - have a good Christmas and I'll see you on a local ride sometime this summer (I'll be in the middle).

[mstriumph]

Ok.. ...........I earned myself a red infractment (what ever that means) but basicly Kickaha the mod thought I was off topic... well I believe I was bang on topic and leeting the group know that you MUST be awair of your actions as EVERY ACTION HAS A REACTION

So, Im concerned about fellow riders... but Im not allowd to comment in threads about rides I DO attend.
What do you guys reckon.. I should pull my fucking head in and let the silly wee shits kill them selves or keep trying to get my point through?...........

should you have been penalized? - no

but that's my personal opinion backed up by nothing but a sense of fair play and and respect for free speech... neither of which appear to be highly prized on here ........ so you have to ask yourself 'do you care'?? [thought not!! ]

should you carry on commenting/helping where needed? - yes

your concern does you nothing but credit
i'm a middling rider - i look for tips here and elsewhere on line and everything is potentially useful
additionally, your reputation is such that, if i were on a ride with you and you were thoughtful enough about my safety to give me pointers on how to ride safer I WOULD BLOODY WELL LISTEN and give thanks

but, once again, that's a personal viewpoint .... i'm not 'normal' - ask anyone here

anyway
enjoy your festivities over the next couple of days, and stay safe - worry is a distraction!~

[insane1]

if advice will help someone be a better rider i say go for it .if you see some one riding and doing stupid stuff tell them when you stop for lunch/fuel whatever it may just save there lives some mods need to back off and let people speak their minds.