Countersteering

[Ixion]

Hm. I see you are on a 650. So I'm not sure if you are really a learner , or (looking at your age) a 'returner'.

When I learned to ride , countersteering hadn't been invented. So no one did it. We just shoved the bike into the corner and leaned it over.

And since then most of my bike were old ones, that didn't have the counter-steering attachment. So I just kept on shoving the bike into the corner and cranking it over.

Then I got a more modern bike, so I had to learn how to counter steer. And I found that it was just a fancy-nancy way of saying 'shove the bike into the corner and crank it over'

So, if you are a 'returner' , you may find the same thing - if you're getting through the corner at a decentish rate, your doing it right. Trying to over analyse it and apply some theoretical concept on every corner just stuffs up y' head.

[CaMo]

I wouldnt sweat it too much. Try not to over think it. I suggest concentrating on the corner more than countersteering. Remember that you are going to go go where your eyes are looking so do what others have suggested.
Here is a great video explaining the principal anyway.
Theres plenty of these around but I find this one is really good at explaining the idea
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxM_GU7W-dE[/YOUTUBE]

haha I like how that guy is doing all that and there is snow and shit all round him. Roads don't look that flash

[The Stranger:Me]

And this is your contribution lol.

Yes it is. It helps to clarify for anyone else reading this thread and getting as confused as you, as to how and why countersteering works, that all your posts on the subject should be ignored as you really haven't a clue.

[GSVR]

Because your wheel must be acting as a gyroscope before counter steering will work.

You really don't understand do you.

http://www.skibiker.net/id33.html

How does one counter steer a bike without wheels then?

[GSVR]

Because your wheel must be acting as a gyroscope before counter steering will work.

You really don't understand do you.

http://www.skibiker.net/id33.html

How does one counter steer a bike without wheels then? And read the steering info on that link before replying please!
You may want to research outtracking as well (simple explaination of dynamics of turning a bike at speed)

As far as I'm concerned the first post on this thread is all riders need to know.

If you ride a motorbike you countersteer. Its not something new but the way its waffled on about here would have you think its something not all riders do.

[The Stranger:Me]

You really don't understand do you.

http://www.skibiker.net/id33.html

How does one counter steer a bike without wheels then?

What the fuck are you smoking?
Sorry mr troll, you will have to do better than that.

[GSVR]

What the fuck are you smoking?
Sorry mr troll, you will have to do better than that.

Are you incapable of creating a constructive post?

[Gubb]

Horse-shit. One of the best techniques to have under your belt for road-riding. Blind corner, starts to tighten up? Easy, push on the bar a little more to tighten your line. Rock falls off the back of a trailer right in front of you? Use counter-steering to quickly swerve around it.

Unpredictable road -- that's why it's so useful.

That's why I said "From what I understand".. I'm new to this as well...

No need to jump down my throat.

[Maki]

Countersteering is a zen like thing. It should not be analyzed or even thought of. Just ride the bike, look where you want to go and the bike will go there.

[limbimtimwim]

Hokay, I can do this countersteering thing, but I'm feeling pretty frustrated as it is STILL taking large amounts of rehearsing each corner as I approach them, and if I don't mentally rehearse them, I find myself running out of road on the outside of the corner going for my brakes - returning to my old ways again.

It's simple.

Look where you want to go
Look where you want to go
Look where you want to go

Just keep saying it to yourself as you come up to a corner.

You doing regular panic reaction, you are looking at the outside of the corner going 'fuck, I don't want to go into the wrong lane!!' and putting on the brakes which only makes turning more difficult.

Look where you want to go
Look where you want to go
Look where you want to go

Unless you are doing triple the speed indicated on the speed advisory sign (If any) you will make it around the corner.

One more thing, perhaps you are beginning to turn into the corner a little early? On turning left, stay close to the centreline as possible for as long as you can (Work your way up to 'as late as you dare'). And reverse for turning right. Turning in to early often results in what you describe. I used to do it. I'm sure nearly everyone did it.

[Drew]

Countersteering is a zen like thing. It should not be analyzed or even thought of. Just ride the bike, look where you want to go and the bike will go there.

Best answer yet.

Dont think about it at all, it wont help.

[CookMySock]

ok thanks fellas, and girls. Yeah I am a returner on the biggest bike I have ever ridden. I'm not afraid of the bike - I just have never dealt with high-speed cornering a sport bike before. I have more than just the countersteering basics - I can do it well, but I am feeling frustrated with my lack of progress, and lack of nuts executing it.

So, don't hurry the learning process, trust the bike and its rubber, visualise my line, slow down, get the basics off the road (already done), michelin tyres rock, leaning - get some nads and get past it.

So I'm not paniccing under pressure - its more when I'm not watching or coasting with brain in neutral, so maybe I will have to ditch my gaze-into-space cager thinking and quit gazing into space and ride the damn bike??

I tried apexing corners and so on, and that increased my road speed (dangerous, not what I need?) but it didn't help me learn any faster, so now I am trying to stay within my half-lane - usually I stick to the RHS and maintain my exact position vigilantly using countersteer pushes. I don't need speed (yet!) for now I need discipline, accuracy, and mindset... and experience.

Might head to rotovegas this afternoon and evening for a lime and soda. Say hi ok! Red Hyosung, Blue helmet. Lake front.

Steve

[CookMySock]

haha I like how that guy is doing all that and there is snow and shit all round him. Roads don't look that flash

haha yeah thats plain scary. He has nads tho - hez acting like its just not there..

DB

[limbimtimwim]

... position vigilantly using countersteer pushes.

Stop doing it on purpose. Nothing will ever work if you try too hard. Really, please.

Remember chasing that girl? Trying too hard didn't work.
Playing a musical instrument? Trying too hard didn't work.

Good luck and enjoy yourself.

[karla]

haha yeah thats plain scary. He has nads tho - hez acting like its just not there..

DB

~pondering~
Maybe it's a little different riding in the winter in the States, as they put salt on the roads. I dunno ... am just guessing, maybe someone here has had some experience with that? ops, offtopic ..