Cheesecutters, that bad?

**All** · 5th March 2008, 08:15

Originally Posted by sunhuntin

you honestly think anyone bar yourself is impressed by that?

Actually, I was impressed.

Not necessarily very sensible, but it would involve a bit of skill at least.

**sunhuntin** · 5th March 2008, 08:17

Originally Posted by All

Actually, I was impressed.

Not necessarily very sensible, but it would involve a bit of skill at least.

definately not sensible... specially on a group ride where such antics were requested be kept for AFTER the ride. how hard a rule is that to follow?

**MSTRS:Me** · 5th March 2008, 08:49

No matter 'your' personal view on barriers in general, that video link from WelshWizard proves what is claimed by him, me and many others...if a barrier is necessary, make it one that works for all motorists, and is cost effective from installation right through its life. Ok - it doesn't mention WRB, but the deformation and repairs reqd to Armco along with the danger to us from the posts is just the same. Can't argue with that.

**carver** · 5th March 2008, 17:18

Originally Posted by sunhuntin

definately not sensible... specially on a group ride where such antics were requested be kept for AFTER the ride. how hard a rule is that to follow?

its hard.....im surprised more people didn't do em

**Ryder** · 5th March 2008, 18:07

Originally Posted by carver

hey homo, whats the greater chance, running wide, or crossing the middle of a motorway

whats wrong with you? stick to the facts matey! we all have a right to our own opinions here and just because someone does not agree with you does not mean you need resort to name bashing!

**Ryder** · 5th March 2008, 18:17

Originally Posted by WelshWizard

First there is no need for either to stoop the level of personal insults, both have there own belief, no matter how flawed we may think they are.

Wire fence on country roads have alway been a problem but in the main they don't tend to have concreted in Iron post holding them in place, and they also don't tend to be at the same tension as the WRBs, they also don't have the twisted strands that change the wire into a primitive form of saw.

As for cost the WRB,s are a cheap skate alternative to safety, as they only have a short life span when compared to concrete barriers, they fail in this country because they do not even comply with the original design that calls for 3.5 meters between the road lane and the barrier themselves, when in the close distances they are used on in particular the Souther Motorway, they end up slingshotting anything not soft, that hits it back into the following traffic, and not the outer lane , but some where between the two lanes. and if in the case of the crash in Wellington on the 4th March end up closing the motorway, as it was not economic to take down the WRBs to allow the traffic to pass.( Dom Post state it would take 8 men to remove a section of WRBs were a Concrete Barrier could have been removed by one man with a lorry and Hiab.) How much did it cost the economy with lost production of the people caught up in the snarl up the crash caused, LTNZ don't have to cover those cost so they don't give a Sh!t.

As for the fact that you say they are only on straight section ( thats bad enough in its self) but they are on the corners, and going wide is not the main reason for losing it, Nor is doing a wheele at 30KPH, you have to consider the main reason Car pulls out in front of you because they don't check their mirror, you then have to swerve or get side swiped, or front wheel blow out, ( which is more common than most think, mainly due to a precious crash and the road not being cleared correctly, or lorries shedding some of it load) there are loads more reasons for failing to hold your line on a corner.
If you want to check up on cost then go view the video at the following link
http://www.safermotorways.co.uk/feature31_video_003.htm

Long term Concrete is cheaper and safer, and less costly to the economy of this country

WRB's kill!...end of story!

they are not just in the centre of the motorways etc but they are also on the outside in some areas. furthermore are also located around bends/corners!

if you land in them for whatever reason you are dead! they are not used for safety, they are used to cut costs

**Squiggles** · 5th March 2008, 18:20

I can see where your coming from, but my concern with it is how they are being installed yet do not meet the purpose for which they are intended. Also, installing them on the outside straight roads and especially in corners is just dumb

**rphenix** · 5th March 2008, 18:22

Originally Posted by Sidewinder

i totaly agree with you there hun.
and what about barbed wire and deer fences?

Unless your aiming for a deer fence pole them things have quite a bit of flex plus its quite easy to get through the rectangular gaps Im betting with a bit of speed youd snap one or two wires and tumble through quite easily.

I grew up on a farm that had red deer I remember the time a bull decided it wanted to charge me in the next paddock I dived right through one of those gaps in the deer fence then bent the wire back into place so dad wouldnt notice.

As for those wire cables designed to hold cars from going over the edge hit them at any speed and lets face it, your going around it, not through it.

**Ryder** · 5th March 2008, 18:37

Originally Posted by Squiggles

I can see where your coming from, but my concern with it is how they are being installed yet do not meet the purpose for which they are intended. Also, installing them on the outside straight roads and especially in corners is just dumb

no they dont...when will they ever?! transit doesnt seem to care about such things.

**skidMark** · 5th March 2008, 19:00

Originally Posted by White trash

I've thrown myself through a farmers fence at 200+kph and survived. The wire snapped. Wouldn't want to test the breaking point of a cheesecutter wire with a human body.

Yeah poor dan tested that one and the body gave in first

**Patar** · 7th March 2008, 15:30

You know, there's something that i find funny.

http://www.transit.govt.nz/about/awards/safety.jsp

The project won the Road Engineering category of the Road Safety Innovation and Achievement Awards, funded by the Road Safety Trust and administered by Land Transport New Zealand.

Does anyone else see the flaw with LTNZ patting transit on the back?

**WelshWizard** · 7th March 2008, 16:32

Originally Posted by Patar

You know, there's something that i find funny.

http://www.transit.govt.nz/about/awards/safety.jsp

Does anyone else see the flaw with LTNZ patting transit on the back?

Man I had a look at those WRBs, could they get any more posts in if they tried, the concrete foundations of each post are nearly touching each other, why the hell did they bother, they could have made it a solid wall of posts with little effort, instead they have made it a death trap for any motorcyclist who is unseated and slides towards them, not much chance of loosing a leg or arm this is going to a game of two or three parts minimum.

most likely a hell of a lot more parts