Filtering etiquette

[BadCompany]

if you are that late for work its yer own fucken fault, not someone elses.

Lane-splitting is dangerous enough without hardasses angrily lane-splitting the lane-splitters. Fuck off.

DB

We are not necessarily talking about hard asses or people late for work. But people who feel comfortable splitting a bit faster then other people. We aren't all angry little bastards, are we?

[Griff]

ooh get real. at LEAST 50% of the above description is either blatantly against the law, or pure anti-social. NO I won't get off the fucken road coz you are in a hurry. If I can let you through safely then I will do that - no worries! But quit with the intimidating shit. DB

Hahaha Sweet!

Who said anything about it being intimidating?

Surely it makes sense to let these guys get away from you from a personal safety viewpoint. Just like it makes sense for you to not want to follow behind another bike AND be sandwiched between cages.

Have you EVER been in the latter situation?

[bull]

Exactly.
NO, I split as well.. what I'm saying is as in Grubs example, where he is fucken nearly trampled by some asshole who thinks he is too cool. Not to place you or anyone in this category, except they volunteer it - like you did.

not at all. you volunteered this information. Re-read please.

DB

Perhaps im going blind but i cant for the life of me workout where i volunteered/stated that i am some nutter who rides up the rear of other riders whilst splitting. I dont agree with this style either and when ive been in similar situation as the rear rider ive found a way into other lane and gone ahead of said slower rider, and on the other side of the coin i have been that slower rider and moved aside asap to let faster rider through. Seems straight forward enough to me.

[Griff]

..... ive been in similar situation as the rear rider ive found a way into other lane and gone ahead of said slower rider, and on the other side of the coin i have been that slower rider and moved aside asap to let faster rider through. Seems straight forward enough to me.

I'm with you on this one, just take the path of least resistance.
This should be a "No brainer."

[Fatjim]

This thread's got boring.

Time to go bang my head against another wall.

[Swoop]

I don't tail gate the slow splitter in front; I'd still like him to move over and let me through. If you want to make an analogy, your splitting behaviour is more like a slow campervan climbing up a twisty mountain road with cars and bikes stuck behind wot can't get past. A polite campervan driver would pull over and let the traffic through.

A good analogy! Everyone has their own "happy" pace.
Ride your own ride. Overtake others safely and move over to allow others to pass in the same manner.

[Slingshot]

Actually, I'm doing them (and biking) a favour.

That's a bit high 'n mighty isn't it?

I lane split on occasion, and I've been known to split reasonably quickly. It's frustrating (and IMHO dangerous) when bikers are sitting in the splitting part of the lane dribbling their way past the traffic.

I very rarely have cars moving to block me or changing lanes into me (touch wood) and some riders in the Wellington have very good spacial awareness (they see you coming and move over when they can).

People that ride/split faster than you are nutters, people that ride/split slower are nanas.

[sAsLEX]

I filter at a safe and sensible speed, anyone who wants to go faster than that is going to have to find their own way around me.

You drive a caravan don't you?

You impart your views onto other as they can't know better can they?



It take two seconds to be courteous and drop back into the flow to let a faster splitter through...... I will do it one day when one comes up behind me..........

[MaxCannon]

I don't see what the big deal is.
If someone is behind me and wants to go faster then I get out of the way.
When I'm splitting I check my mirrors ever 5-10 seconds depending on what's going on in front

Today was a good example, an SV1000 came up behind, I wasn't splitting at the time as the traffic had sped up.
When it slowed down I let the SV go past and then split behind him.
Worked out well since the cars could hear his pipes and knew he was coming, a couple even made an effort to make a gap.

I could sit in the way and hold people up but thats just likely to make them do something stupid to go past.

What we need is fewer people (how about 0) that are self appointed road sheriffs. The number of times I've sat behind someone in the outside lane who is doing bang on 100kph and won't move over.......

[Stromble]

I thought it was all quite simple really..

I split alot myself on the Northern, but I aint no expert, so I hear or see another biker up my rear, if its safe, I try move over for them, else they have to find a suitable safe path around.

Unfortunately I dont always see them in a timely manner as a)they are approaching pretty fast and Im not in the habit of using my mirrors too much when splitting, more interested in the road ahead.. and b) they sometimes ride right up my arse in the blindspot behind me. Once they sway out to the side and I see them, I then try to make a safe passage for them. I find this quite good, as I then try to follow for a while to gain more splitting experience..

All's good.!

[Dave Lobster]

Today was a good example, an SV1000 came up behind, I wasn't splitting at the time as the traffic had sped up.
When it slowed down I let the SV go past and then split behind him.
Worked out well since the cars could hear his pipes and knew he was coming, a couple even made an effort to make a gap.

In my experience, they're the best ones to follow through traffic. Occasionally, there's one that has real pipes on, not the standard ones (that sound as shit as an auto scooter)

[CookMySock]

Who said anything about it being intimidating?

I was with my mate in his cage, and we got split and he was like "WTF???".. I just laughed at him and sed "lol bikes can do that", but he wasn't very pleased.. NOW I KNOW that this bikers' manoevre was perfectly safe but the fact is, even experienced drivers/riders get somewhat of a surprise, and NEWBIES get quite a shock. Clip their fucking handgrip on the way through and they will break into a cold sweat and pull OFF the road. It may not be intimidating to you, but others have strong feelings about it. Since the whole reason faster riders would like to get in front is about THEIR feelings (feel frustrated - can't get past the newbies - is no fun), then why are their feelings important and others irrelevant ?

Surely it makes sense to let these guys get away from you from a personal safety viewpoint.

It is THEIR responsibility to NOT put others' safety at risk - just like it my responsibility to conduct myself safely so I do not put YOUR safety at risk.. unless of course your feelings are paramount and mine are meaningless ??

Just like it makes sense for you to not want to follow behind another bike AND be sandwiched between cages.

Agreed, this is dangerous. I split between two large trucks once and put my front tyre on the white line up-front, and THAT was bad enough.. Further to this, the truckies powered up then backed off coz I wasn't quick enough - they didn't HAVE to back off but they did.. If I had stalled or other, they would have had to wait for me at the green lights.. This is NOT THIER PROBLEM, yet I made it so. This was wrong on my part. If there was two or three bikes behind me we now have a serious situation.

Have you EVER been in the latter situation?

behind another bike with no way out ? no. I choose not to enter in case I get sandwiched. The cops will bust you for this also - filtering to the front is tolerated, lane-making is not. (source - ride forever video) - any cops here comment on this ?

Look I see you guys feel frustrated about bloody newbies in your way, and I agree this is irritating. All I'm sayin is just don't them feel like they are going to die today ok ? Their feelings carry at least the same importance as yours. You don't ALWAYS have to take the back seat, but sometimes you do.

DB

[owner]

whats etiquette?

I have never had anyone hold me up there is always a way round

[CookMySock]

I don't see what the big deal is.
If someone is behind me and wants to go faster then I get out of the way.

I agree. But he shouldn't dangerously push past.

When it slowed down I let the SV go past and then split behind him.

Yes, this is good fun, and a way to learn. Thanks to the experienced boyz showing the newbs. Good stuff.

Worked out well since the cars could hear his pipes and knew he was coming, a couple even made an effort to make a gap.

LOL yes I notice this on my vtwin - just tap it slightly..grrOWWWWLL and maaaan the traffic parts like the red sea - I lub it LOL.

I could sit in the way and hold people up but thats just likely to make them do something stupid to go past.

It is NEVER your responsibility that someone ELSE does something stupid. We aren't animals. I am responsible for my own actions 100% 24/7, just like you are for yours - there is no other possible conclusion for this argument.

What we need is fewer people (how about 0) that are self appointed road sheriffs. The number of times I've sat behind someone in the outside lane who is doing bang on 100kph and won't move over.......

Agreed. It is not proven that this is their reasoning though, and if this is what you believe, it is more than possible that your perception is incorrect - happens to me all the time.

Enough of my opinion on this.

DB

[Dave Lobster]

Look I see you guys feel frustrated about bloody newbies in your way, and I agree this is irritating.

My original post wasn't about newbies. It was about people deliberately holding other people up. The gut bucket that was holding me up this week wasn't a newbie. He knew what he was doing.. he was just being a c*nt.

In my experience, new people DO get out of the way.