I'm an idiot

[Radar]

jafar - point taken. Actually, I suspected that some traffic cams - at least those with internet access - would have crap resolution, but it seems likely that there would be at least one high res camera that the cops could make use of.

... just accept it and let the system deal with. Men take it on the chin and move on . You deserve a bling for admission.

Like doc, thats how I feel.

Often I read how KB'ers get caught and want to know how they can wriggle out of the legal consequences when they know they've done wrong.

Jade, on the one hand I applaud your posting here, exposing yourself for being an idiot. I don't know if you do in fact want to try to wriggle out of the consequences but what concerns me is that you say its not the first time that this has happened. What will it take to get you to stop your stupidity? A year or two from now, will all remorse have faded so that you ride like an idiot again, maybe causing a serious accident, even death? If you can seriously, sincerely answer these questions yourself, and do a DDC, and then show your very deep remorse in the courtroom, maybe the judge will lessen the consequences by 10% or so. However my guess is that the judge will throw the book at you big time.

For anyone (e.g mark247) who feels like jumping on what doc and I have said, remember that its NOT just about cops and courts. Speed kills - its as simple as that.

[mark247]

For anyone (e.g mark247) who feels like jumping on what doc and I have said, remember that its NOT just about cops and courts. Speed kills - its as simple as that.

Nothing wrong with what you said.

But, if there is a way to wriggle out of getting a fine / keeping your licence, why not try? =P

Shweet.

[Joni]

a post for which I received an infraction for and was deleted,

It was not deleted.... it is in PD.

[Radar]

Nothing wrong with what you said.

But, if there is a way to wriggle out of getting a fine / keeping your licence, why not try? =P

Shweet.

OK, lets see where this goes.

Sometimes there are gray areas when people break the law, or when the police make a mistake. This does not apply to Jade since he was going 170 kph in a 100 kph zone and he admits it. So lets say he gets a very clever lawyer who finds a technicality that can let Jade get off free. Would you still say "Why not try?"

Now I have to (we, all of us KB'ers have to) put myself in Jades shoes, with the possibility of a clever lawyer. Would I try to wriggle out with no penalty? Sitting here now, I don't think so because I was in a similar place 15 years ago and did not do so.

Back then I had a clever lawyer friend who said the right words to the policeman who ticketed me, telling him not to show up to court which would nullify the charge against me (this was overseas). As I waited for the court date, I did not feel right about it, remembering all the times that my friends and I disliked lawyers for doing tricky crap like this. So I fronted up to the judge before the court case and paid the fine, telling him that I did not want to waste the court's time. Done and over with, it felt good then as it does now. While I was a cage driver back then and was not about to lose my license, it is still a similar case.

What is right is right. Whats wrong is wrong. Sometimes life situations are very clear.
170 kph on or just off the AKL Harbour Bridge is wrong.
Jade admits it and needs to face the consequences as doc says.

Look, I'm old enough to be most KB'ers father. I've done my share of stupid things when I was younger, including 160+ kph on my Triumph on a busy motorway, and I cringe when I think how I could have been killed or injured or caused this to others. When I read things like this: "...im almost 100% sure I would go flying over the habour bridge with the taps wide open as well at night. It's just the normal thing young guys do haha.", I do not find it funny. With a beer in my hand while talking to my mates, I sometimes may joke about going "with the taps wide open" - when the context is different and everyone knows I am just bullshitting - but I've seen too many accidents in my life and have too many injured or dead friends and acquaintances to take idiotic riding/driving lightly.

Trying to wriggle out of the consequences of doing wrong overlooks the law of karma.
Yes, you may get off and not pay a fine and lose your license, but eventually you have to pay the karmic price.
If you don't learn the first time, or the second, it just keeps getting worse.

[breakaway]

This thread has saved me hundreds of dollars. I was just about to open it right up, southbound, and then remembered reading about Jade.

[Ducman]

Hmm.. back when I was was youthful exuberance, about 27 years ago, I received a ticket for 170 in an 80 down the Wellington motorway on my RD250. Wrote a letter paid my $70 fine and learnt a lesson.. lessons were cheaper back then.

[Ixion]

For anyone (e.g mark247) who feels like jumping on what doc and I have said, remember that its NOT just about cops and courts. Speed kills - its as simple as that.

No it doesn't. Otherwise they'd have a shit hard job selling tickets on a Boeing 747. That has to be one of the most mindless mantras ever repeated ad nauseum .

Jade's an idiot, not for doing 170 clicks (we've all done that, so we'd all be idiots by that logic), but for failing to evaluate the Plod factor first. Time and place

(And I'm old enough to be your father )

[spudchucka]

No it doesn't. Otherwise they'd have a shit hard job selling tickets on a Boeing 747. That has to be one of the most mindless mantras ever repeated ad nauseum .

And the inference that speed doesn't kill flies in the face of common sense when you look at the carnage caused in crashes involving vehicles travelling at high speed.

Go find a few survivors of Boeing 747 crashes and ask them for an opinion.

[breakaway]

It's not the speed that gets you, it's the rapid deceleration when you hit something after falling off

[Ixion]

If our road toll killed at the same rate per kilometre travelled (or any other measure you like, pretty much) we'd have at most 1 road death , some years.

Travel in a Boeing 747 is (almost) the safest form of travel ever invented. Far far far safer than road travel by bike or car.

[spudchucka]

It's not the speed that gets you, it's the rapid deceleration when you hit something after falling off

And the amount of dumb arse wankers around that think you can have one without the other is astounding.

[Kickaha]

But, if there is a way to wriggle out of getting a fine / keeping your licence, why not try? =P

I guess if you're not prepared to take personal responsibility for your actions, then sure why not try to wriggle out of it

[spudchucka]

Travel in a Boeing 747 is (almost) the safest form of travel ever invented. Far far far safer than road travel by bike or car.

Very true, perhaps the speed limit should therefore be raised to the average speed of a 747. It makes perfect sense, it has to be the higher speed of the 747 that makes it so safe.

[Radar]

It's not the speed that gets you, it's the rapid deceleration when you hit something after falling off

Good one, breakaway!

[Ixion]

And the amount of dumb arse wankers around that think you can have one without the other is astounding.

Well, rapid deceleration when you hit something is a good bet

Hitting something when (if) you fall off is longer odds

And falling off just because you are going at a certain speed is propaganda not logic

Very true, perhaps the speed limit should therefore be raised to the average speed of a 747. It makes perfect sense, it has to be the higher speed of the 747 that makes it so safe.

I'm all for that. And, yes it probably would, especially if it was matched with a minimum speed limit of, say, 120kph. Can you please suggest it to your collegues ? (Including the wanker who didn't manage to give me a ticket today but spent the better part of half an hour trying before I finally gave him the slip on a gravel road)

Having just returned from a trip to the Far Norf, I was impressed by the huge number of totally incompetent dodders doddering along at 70kph and less. Fully 50% of the traffic of the roads north of Whangarei doesn't go over 75kph. If there was a suitabvle minimum speed limit it might encourage them to stay off they roads.