Gun Raids - Big Brother is here

[Clivoris]

Wanna fire FULL auto? Join the defence we got a few!

You guys get some cool toys alright, but I'm not sure if they are worth getting a haircut for. Would they give me time off for the National Taxidermy Championship?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Viagra stops me from falling out of bed at night.

it also helps me to go to bed too

[scracha]

Aussie and Britain have some truly draconian gun laws these days.

Ironic that both have more gun related crime than we do.

Draconian? What, the fact they make legal gun owners take responsibility for their weapons? The fact they don't let every second fuckwit own one?

Aussie and British gun controls and ownership are completely different. Aussie gun ownership and attitudes are more akin to New Zealand. Aussie (legal) gun ownership rates are about 5 times the level of the UK. I don't know anyone in the UK who owns a gun and with the exception of a couple of clay pigeon shoots, I never fired a gun.

http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/int...al.html#access

I'm maybe reading the above incorrectly but it seems to indicate the NZ murder rate by guns being over 3 times the UK rate (per head of population)? And let's not even mention the appalling gun suicide rate in this country.

Regardless of laws, there's also a clear correlation between gun ownership levels and murder rates. Put simply, you make it illegal to own any type of gun and the gun murder rate drops dramatically.

I don't call the UK's 5 year MINIMUM sentence for illegally owning a gun draconian. I call it common sense.

[Dai]

Placid Britian my arse.

The country where the police are all armed, especially in London. Why, because there are too many criminals with guns for the police to feel safe doing their duty.

5 women murdered in one small town.

The doctor who has murdered on estimate over 200 people.

Nottingham, the murder capital ot the UK, where a young girl is killed by machine gun fire between rival gangs.

An execution of a rival gang member 100 yards away from New Scotland Yard, why, because of a stolen car.

Glasgow where knifings are so common in the weekend that the hospitals are unable to cope.

1/2 million shotguns that went "missing" when the law was changed requiring individual serial numbers to be recorded.

Yardie gangs shooting at each other over the bonnets of their cars in the docks of Cardiff.

A man arrested in Liverpool 6 months after the pistol ban for walking the streets with a RPG7 rocket grenade launcher.

The governments own figures showing that firearms related crimes have gone up 30% per year since the ban on pistols to a level unprecedented in the country's history.

The opposition parties who now are saying that the ban was wrong and they would reverse it.

Parliaments own written records showing the birth of firearms control showing that it wasnt about firearms but rather about keeping the lower classes in order.

Moss side in Manchester where the norm now is to own a pistol or if you are really lucky a machine gun. Uzi's and MAC 10's are fashion statements now.

Dont give me this rubbish about unarmed and unviolent Britian. Its worse than its ever been.

Rose coloured glasses are a wonderful thing.

You may disagree with firearms. You may choose not to touch them But please do not preach the case of the UK to me. I've been there, lived there and seen the hypocracy that pervades the society there.

[scracha]

Placid Britian my arse.

I never said or even implied placid?

The country where the police are all armed, especially in London.

A small fraction of them. Mainly around airports and terrorist targets. Nottingham is a $hithole but it isn't the murder capital of the UK.

5 women murdered in one small town.

Ipswich isn't a small town, I lived there. What has that to do with gun control though? Should the prozzies have carried guns?

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Dont give me this rubbish about unarmed and unviolent Britian. Its worse than its ever been.

I didn't. My girlfriend wouldn't go out herself at night in Ipswich town centre and that was before the murder thing. Was pretty shocked myself when I went to visit my mother in Falkirk and noticed the local cops wearing stab vests. I'm not sure if it's worse than ever though. I think it's a lot more televised with the advent of CCTV. As a side note, I still don't understand why all the pubs/clubs chuck everyone onto the street at the same time and then restrict the number of buses and taxis to take the drunk people home.

Rose coloured glasses are a wonderful thing.

I don't usually have much positive things to say about the UK, that's why I chose to emigrate here just over a year ago. I left Scotland many years prior to that if that helps gives an indication of my love for my own country.

You may disagree with firearms. You may choose not to touch them But please do not preach the case of the UK to me. I've been there, lived there and seen the hypocracy that pervades the society there.

Wasn't preaching to anyone. Merely stating facts that when guns are available (legally or otherwise), gun murders increase. Very angry people tend to grab the first thing that comes to hand, be it a baseball bat, beer glass, knife or gun.

Put it this way, if half the population of South Auckland decided to buy a handgun to defend their home I could only imagine the chaos that would ensue.

[spudchucka]

Lets turn this country into a sort of little America where every second fucktard carries a gun.

Its bad enough that we already have to put up with the hip-hop promoted wannabe USA gangsta crap we see everywhere now. The little street urchin gangsta boys are so thick that they can't even come up with original names for their boy gangs, I mean "The Crips" vs "The Bloods", pathetic!

[Lou Girardin]

If licenced gun dealers are in favour of these raids there must be something right about it. I'm damn sure I wouldn't want our moronic crims to have access to Saiga 12 gauges or MP5's and Uzi's.
It's the old story of a few cowboys fucking it up for others. Do they want a total ban on ownership of interesting weapons?

[TLDV8]

...oh, and where did the bad guys get the guns in the first place?

You just import them.

Apply for a restricted firearm permit to import the weapon of choice .....Even better get 10 people to do so,give all the permits to a licensed dealer who brings the lot in as one shipment.Customs look at the permits. (There is no liason between Customs and the Police on this matter at the time of import,correct me if wrong) ..... If all is in order the firearms are released.It is then up to the permit holder to register that restricted weapon with the Police.There is no formal follow up on issued permits ?

Most problems start at the law maker who is normally in dream world making laws to suit honest people.

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When did the law stop any person from applying for a firearms license and if successful,buying a firearm.
If the News last night was anything to go by (NZ supposedly being No 2 in the firearms to population ratio).....Not many are being knocked back or somefolk out there have a lot of weapons.
I remember when i got my firearms license in the early 1980's, more than a few failed, to do so you would have had to have been a total moron given near all the questions were based on common sense. (imho)

I never renewed my license but do not think i would have any problem in doing so if i was to get back in to clay shooting.
If i wanted to get an Uzi i would expect to jump though a few hoop's but would probably raise a few eyebrow's after shouting ..Pull.

[doc]

If licenced gun dealers are in favour of these raids there must be something right about it. I'm damn sure I wouldn't want our moronic crims to have access to Saiga 12 gauges or MP5's and Uzi's.
It's the old story of a few cowboys fucking it up for others. Do they want a total ban on ownership of interesting weapons?

What practical use is an MP5 or Uzi, if people want to play with them fine if they are "Drill Purpose only" Most members of the armed services only get an intro to auto weapons and never have much to do with them after that.
Great for a quick thrill but the novelity wears off. NZer's don't need military auto's or pistols.

[Swoop]

Most members of the armed services only get an intro to auto weapons and never have much to do with them after that.

???!!! When they are issued a Steyr Aug, this would be an issue!

[doc]

???!!! When they are issed a Steyr Aug, this would be an issue!

But how many of them could honestly say they have let off a full mag in one burst? Without getting their arse kicked until their nose bled.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

But how many of them could honestly say they have let off a full mag in one burst? Without getting their arse kicked until their nose bled.

I was only allowed to do that once...

[marty]

and don't think for a minute that the police are not going after the gangs and their firearms - i don't see anyone on here saying how great it is when cops do a warrant and find 5 guns at a p-lab/gang house, which happens on a daily basis. oh, and where did the bad guys get the guns in the first place?

here's your chance....http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/waikato...908309a11.html

[doc]

two shots
1 warning shot through the roof immediately proceeded by one through the chest.

Good one only took me a day to comprehend it. I'm geting betta

[Timber020]

Just a story, one of many of a simular theme from an american bike site

Some people just piss me off! In rush hour traffic coming back from a PGR ride, some idiot is going too fast and locks up the brakes on his PU and swerves to go around me, but not before taking out my rear left turn signal while I'm full tilt with the back tire smoking to get the hell out of the way!

Does he stop? NO!....he keeps going, but not far.. kinda hard to escape anywhere in rush hour traffic with no exit for a mile. I find the PU and motion the guy to pull over, which he doesn't. I ride on the shoulder ahead of the guy, get off the bike and walk to the truck as it approaches. I look in and the guy just looks at me and points his finger right at me and shakes his head no, then I see the gun!! I get the plate no. and call the cops....(last I checked, I'm not "bulletproof")

I don't really give a rat's a$$ about the turn signal, but the MF didn't even stop, and then has the f***ing gall to pull a gun on me over a stupid traffic accident! I ain't holdin' my breath for anything to happen to this guy either...

I'm glad it wasn't worse, but it still pisses me off!

Sorry, rant over...


Got LOTS more on US bike sites of a simular story.