MotoGP 2013

[Dave-]

Dead right.
The pit lane speed limit extended to the end of the lane was the only thing I had a slight problem with.

conspiracy theory: Pit lane was extended so a bike swap was roughly equal to one lap?

If the pit lane had been shorter, or the speed been higher MM might have come out way ahead of Lorenzo. Sure he would have gotten caught up pretty quick but who knows what might have happened.

[Oscar]

conspiracy theory: Pit lane was extended so a bike swap was roughly equal to one lap?

If the pit lane had been shorter, or the speed been higher MM might have come out way ahead of Lorenzo. Sure he would have gotten caught up pretty quick but who knows what might have happened.

I'm not sure what they were thinking, but it did put a slow bike into the fastest turn on the track.

As for MM coming out ahead, if MM had of been going faster on his pit lane exit, JL would have going faster on his.
Therefore, all other things being equal, they are still in the same place at the same time, i.e. in the middle of turn one, but with MM going faster.

[pritch]

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/what-might-happen-at-valencia/

[roogazza]

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/what-might-happen-at-valencia/
Cheers pritch, I read that from Oxley on another site.
Hayden's year, and then the next, Stoner arrived on the Duc.
But hey , then Rossi got the next two ! lol.

[tail_end_charlie]

Prior to 18 October 2013
1.) Dorna fucked up because they should have organized/forced BS and Dunlop to test at a track that is notorious for being hard on tires, especially when it had been resealed and there was ample evidence to show that the track was an even worse tire eater now.

2.) BS/Dunlop fucked up because they should have pushed for a test at PI. Computer simulations and empirical data are all well and good, but its only half the story. There is nothing likes boots on the ground.......err......tires on asphalt.


Race weekend
1.) Hindsight is all well and good, but once the race weekend had started Dorna had their balls caught between a rock and another fucking rock. They had to make some fast decisions on how the weekend would play out with tires that wouldn't physically last race distance. (This wasn't a case of a significant drop off in performance, this was a case of tires destroying themselves and flinging riders helter skelter. If you want to see what that looks like, look up the tire failures at the Daytona 200. Very nasty stuff.)

------ a.) Opt 1: Divide the race into two 10 lap sprint races and award half points for each race. Positives include it being a bit safer, added spectacle. Negatives are that it wouldn't fit in the allocated TV time period because of the time required to re-grid et'al.

------ b.) Opt 2: Run a 19 lap race with a pit stop in the middle (which everyone is more or less prepared for because of the flag to flag racing). Positives include adding a bit of spectacle and will easily fit into the TV time period. Negatives include a little more risk in pit lane and merging off of and onto the track. I personally (and I think a lot of people would agree) that the way they extended the pit lane speed limit into the pit entry and pit exit was a bad decision. Also, requiring the riders to pit in only a two lap window was what was a compremise born of trying to make the race as long as possible while knowing that the Bridgestone tires could only last 10 laps. Marc's tire after 11 laps (and watching him on lap 11 going all over the track) should have been more than ample proof of that fact. If you think about a flag to flag race I would suspect that the majority of riders would come into the pits within 2-3 laps of each other, so this probably wasn't that different.

------ c.) Opt 3: Let the riders race one 10 lap race and that's it. This obviously would have gotten a lot of people upset (those spectators in attendance and the ones who pay to watch it on TV and online) as well as the TV broadcasters, sponsors, ect ect. Since these are the people who put the money in that makes the racing happen, you can't piss them off without consequences.

------ d.) Opt 4: Cancel the race on safety grounds, more or less hand the title to MM, and piss off anyone and everyone who has anything to do with MotoGP.

2.) Now if you want to argue that TV schedules be damned, you obviously don't understand how much Dorna depends on that money to make this whole 'circus' go around the world every year and present what we see. Unfortunately sticking to TV schedules is what we have to deal with in this modern era where you can flick on the TV and see pretty much any sport at any time anywhere in the world.

3.) Dani Pedrosa's penalty seemed to be kinda stupid in hindsight and probably should have been a ride through.............but we're already worried about pit lane crowding, so putting anyone else through pit lane seems kinda stupid. Telling him to drop a place was bout the best option at the time.

4.) If everyone was made aware of the black flag penalty for an unsafe action (racing on tires past their used by laps, which Marc obviously did) then I don't have any problem with it. Race Direction said that no rider was to make more than 10 laps on any slick or wet tire. Can't state things much more clearly than that. Of note on this, I also have a bit of a suspicion that RD black flagged Marc to make sure that he didn't finish the race, and therefore the penalty couldn't be challenged. If he had finished the race and then they had excluded him from the results, there would be the option of challenging that decision and having armchair racers weighing in after the fact and possibly swaying opinion. Since Marc didn't finish the race, that couldn't happen and probably prevented a lot of arguing after (even more than what has taken place).



Anyways, that's my thought on things............not that it really matters (see below).

[Dave-]

2.) BS/Dunlop fucked up because they should have pushed for a test at PI. Computer simulations and empirical data are all well and good, but its only half the story. There is nothing likes boots on the ground.......err......tires on asphalt.



I dunno the exact date or time but dorna, honda, yamaha, ducati, and their sub teams each said they couldn't due to time or monetary requirements.

Dorna also predefined the test calendar making fitting another test in impossible as development schedules were organised months in advance.

They couldn't cancel a test to make way as arrangements had already been made with staff, facilities, teams, transport etc contracts etc etc

So ~11 months ago when the new seal was laid they would have been starting pre-2013 testing, to try and make an alteration to the testing regime at that stage would be impossible.

Manufacturers would have their bikes in 14 million pieces between tests. You cant just slap it back together either, parts need to be checked for fatigue and wear.

also FYI: empirical data and "boots on the ground" are the same thing.

[tail_end_charlie]

So ~11 months ago when the new seal was laid they would have been starting pre-2013 testing, to try and make an alteration to the testing regime at that stage would be impossible.

Respectfully disagree. It would not have been impossible, especially considering that they were in Sepang. But still, pre-season testing at PI would have been difficult. What Dorna needed to do was organize a test at PI sometime during the season, perhaps during the same time as the Tech 3 and others tested in Argentina? If that required them to fund the the test for the teams going, them I'm sure some teams would have taken the offer to get a head start on set-up for the race later on. I would see it as preferable to send a satellite team and maybe a CRT team, that way none of the factory teams get an advantage. Bridgestone would have had a 'holy shit, our tires won't work' moment months in advance and managed to figure something out. And I"m sure the teams wouldn't have minded the testing advantage.


Manufacturers would have their bikes in 14 million pieces between tests. You cant just slap it back together either, parts need to be checked for fatigue and wear.

Well, considering that teams can go from boxes of bits to a fully functioning bike in a couple of hours, I would say they could.



The way I view the situation is that testing could have happened. It would cost money, and it would cause headaches, but it could of and should of happened. The reason it didn't is because multiple people had adopted the attitude of, "She'll be right" and didn't bother to push the issue. And now everyone knows the result of that laziness.

[Dave-]

Respectfully disagree. It would not have been impossible, especially considering that they were in Sepang. But still, pre-season testing at PI would have been difficult. What Dorna needed to do was organize a test at PI sometime during the season, perhaps during the same time as the Tech 3 and others tested in Argentina? If that required them to fund the the test for the teams going, them I'm sure some teams would have taken the offer to get a head start on set-up for the race later on. I would see it as preferable to send a satellite team and maybe a CRT team, that way none of the factory teams get an advantage. Bridgestone would have had a 'holy shit, our tires won't work' moment months in advance and managed to figure something out. And I"m sure the teams wouldn't have minded the testing advantage.

Well, considering that teams can go from boxes of bits to a fully functioning bike in a couple of hours, I would say they could.

The way I view the situation is that testing could have happened. It would cost money, and it would cause headaches, but it could of and should of happened. The reason it didn't is because multiple people had adopted the attitude of, "She'll be right" and didn't bother to push the issue. And now everyone knows the result of that laziness.

No, pre-season they can't just go from boxes of bits to a fully functioning bike. During the season they can because they know this set of bits in this order will last this long, they have done testing. Pre-season there's no way of knowing that a part wont fail, all 14 million bits need to be analysed to see how it's failing otherwise they run the risk of destroying the bike or worse killing somebody.

They wanted to test during the season but it was all much the same, plus you had to add the added stress on the team, rider and one less engine.

As I stated earlier, Bridgestone never got the chance. If they could have, they would have.

It's a freak coincidence that goes further back than anyone can see. I doubt it'll happen again, but it happened and yarning about who's at fault on the internet isn't going to change it. It'll be another one of those stand out events in a stand out season.

[BMWST?]

No, pre-season they can't just go from boxes of bits to a fully functioning bike. During the season they can because they know this set of bits in this order will last this long, they have done testing. Pre-season there's no way of knowing that a part wont fail, all 14 million bits need to be analysed to see how it's failing otherwise they run the risk of destroying the bike or worse killing somebody.

They wanted to test during the season but it was all much the same, plus you had to add the added stress on the team, rider and one less engine.

As I stated earlier, Bridgestone never got the chance. If they could have, they would have.

It's a freak coincidence that goes further back than anyone can see. I doubt it'll happen again, but it happened and yarning about who's at fault on the internet isn't going to change it. It'll be another one of those stand out events in a stand out season.

they have last years bike

[Dave-]

they have last years bike

That's sort of what they did. They took last years data and extrapolated with a higher PWMFTS thing number. To actually get last years bike and physically take it there would require tooling etc would cost a wee fortune and they'd have data as good as if they'd just extrapolated it in the first place.

You might be right though, I don't know why that wasn't done. There might be a good reason, there might be a bureaucratic reason, and economic reason or a non sequitur reason but there will have been a reason.

[GD66]

They have also had World Supers, Australian Supers, Island Classic for bikes and cars and V8 supercars all run there since the resurfacing, so surely the diligence should extend to at least running an analysis of any or all of those meetings to research any tyre issues experienced or projected. If you're fair dinkum about it, surely !
But I agree with the above summary : laziness, and laziness bred from a tyre monopoly. There's only us, so no need to test.
Caught out ! :facepalm:

[Mental Trousers]

Everybodies budget is already allocated. To get the necessary money together (cos it isn't cheap by any stretch of the imagination) they have to pull it from somewhere else in their budget. And what are the teams going to get out of testing last years bike anyway?? Spend $100,000 (obviously a guess) and get nothing relevant to the new bike?? That isn't going to happen

[Mental Trousers]

They have also had World Supers, Australian Supers, Island Classic for bikes and cars and V8 supercars all run there since the resurfacing, so surely the diligence should extend to at least running an analysis of any or all of those meetings to research any tyre issues experienced or projected. If you're fair dinkum about it, surely !
But I agree with the above summary : laziness, and laziness bred from a tyre monopoly. There's only us, so no need to test.
Caught out ! :facepalm:

Problem is they're not MotoGP or Moto2 bikes and riders. The above may be fast alright, but they're not fast enough. Trying to use data for bikes that are 5 seconds or whatever slower is absolutely useless.

[GD66]

Still and all, they would no doubt still have all experienced some form of altered tyre response since the resurfacing. You'd at least find out if there was anything flagged.
Obviously GP bikes are a different kettle of fish, but 10 laps...

[Dave-]

Still and all, they would no doubt still have all experienced some form of altered tyre response since the resurfacing. You'd at least find out if there was anything flagged.

Pirelli is going to tell Bridgestone what problems it is having at Phillip Island......haha

[BMWST?]

That's sort of what they did. They took last years data and extrapolated with a higher PWMFTS thing number. To actually get last years bike and physically take it there would require tooling etc would cost a wee fortune and they'd have data as good as if they'd just extrapolated it in the first place.

You might be right though, I don't know why that wasn't done. There might be a good reason, there might be a bureaucratic reason, and economic reason or a non sequitur reason but there will have been a reason.


it sounds like by the time the circuit was resurafaced a lot of other tests etc had already been organised.I beleive only a certain ammount of testing is allowed ,although i am sure that if bridestone made a point of it(not to mention dunlop) to say tha PI was an unknown quanttity some thing could be arranged.i am sure CS would have loved a hoon round PI on his favourite tyres!

[eelracing]

They have also had World Supers, Australian Supers, Island Classic for bikes and cars and V8 supercars all run there since the resurfacing, so surely the diligence should extend to at least running an analysis of any or all of those meetings to research any tyre issues experienced or projected. If you're fair dinkum about it, surely !
But I agree with the above summary : laziness, and laziness bred from a tyre monopoly. There's only us, so no need to test.
Caught out ! :facepalm:

Spot on.


Problem is they're not MotoGP or Moto2 bikes and riders. The above may be fast alright, but they're not fast enough. Trying to use data for bikes that are 5 seconds or whatever slower is absolutely useless.

Rubbish...did not the SBK round earlier this year experience the same tyre dramas at PI?



Pirelli is going to tell Bridgestone what problems it is having at Phillip Island......haha

Seeing as Dorna now control both series this is a realistic scenario...if it's not then as GD66 say's it smacks of the kind of egotistical wankers that a monopoly will always breed.

[Mental Trousers]

Rubbish...did not the SBK round earlier this year experience the same tyre dramas at PI?

You're trying to compare the WSBK experience on a completely different tyre with MotoGP?? Pirelli had far fewer problems than Dunlop and Bridgestone did because the WSBK bikes flex more and don't work the tyres as hard, tyres which also flex a lot more. GP machines are nothing like a Superbike and neither are their tyres so data gathered for one doesn't translate to the other.

[eelracing]

You're trying to compare the WSBK experience on a completely different tyre with MotoGP?? Pirelli had far fewer problems than Dunlop and Bridgestone did because the WSBK bikes flex more and don't work the tyres as hard, tyres which also flex a lot more. GP machines are nothing like a Superbike and neither are their tyres so data gathered for one doesn't translate to the other.

I'm not comparing anything so get your head out of your ass and realise warning bells should have been ringing from that SBK round.
The fact that they were ignored speaks louder than any damage control done on the day of the GP race.

Stop being spoonfed man.

[Dave-]

Seeing as Dorna now control both series this is a realistic scenario...if it's not then as GD66 say's it smacks of the kind of egotistical wankers that a monopoly will always breed.

But they're still competing brands.

I found out that the reason WSBK/pirelli problems didn't set off alarm bells with Bridgestone was because Dorna and Bridgestone agreed that the WSBK bikes were completely different and the Pirelli tyres completely different too.

They knew the circuit was different but their hands were tied to do anything about it.

[Kiwi Graham]

It is my understanding there was plenty of examples of increased tyre wear from several aspects of motorsport post suface change at PI.

They either chose to ignore it or go with a best guess.

I havent seen the race but many say it was spectacular with the added compulsary bike change part way through, high-insight would suggest all bikes pitting on the same lap may have been a safer option but its all done and dusted now

[denill]

I havent seen the race but many say it was spectacular with the added compulsary bike change part way through, high-insight would suggest all bikes pitting on the same lap may have been a safer option but its all done and dusted now

Yeah, next time they'll bring them all in on the same lap. But maybe there won't be a next time. <_<

[roogazza]

Yeah, next time they'll bring them all in on the same lap. But maybe there won't be a next time. <_<

Yeah Bill, lets hope Motogp doesn't go the way of F1 and start having bloody pits stops. That just fucks the racing for me.
Look at Bathurst and the car racing , I can't maintain an interest or tell where anyone is.
I'd rather switch to Nigella on the cooking channel.

[DidJit]

... I'd rather switch to Nigella on the cooking channel.

Fair call.

[Mental Trousers]

I'm not comparing anything so get your head out of your ass and realise warning bells should have been ringing from that SBK round.
The fact that they were ignored speaks louder than any damage control done on the day of the GP race.

Stop being spoonfed man.

They did take the WSBK and others experience into account. But Bridgestone were only able to run simulations etc. Unfortunately, those simulations, which were based on the experience of the WSBK and other classes weren't relevant to MotoGP.

You seem to have it in your head Bridgestone ignored the problems others have had, they didn't.

[denill]

I'd rather switch to Nigella on the cooking channel.

Yeah Gaz. And I would rather read one of her cook books that the KR debate on PI. <_<

[roogazza]

Yeah Gaz. And I would rather read one of her cook books that the KR debate on PI. <_<
I'm a bit slow Bill, KR ??????
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[denill]

I'm a bit slow Bill, KR ??????
289267

Nah, you're not slow Gaz. My bad - KB, NOT Kiwi Rider:facepalm:

[Drew]

I'd rather switch to Nigella on the cooking channel.Changing channel now....Giggidy giggidy!

[300weatherby]

Yeah Bill, lets hope Motogp doesn't go the way of F1 and start having bloody pits stops. That just fucks the racing for me.
Look at Bathurst and the car racing , I can't maintain an interest or tell where anyone is.
I'd rather switch to Nigella on the cooking channel.

I'd rather ride Nigella than a Motogp bike if given the choice!:drool:

[husaberg]

I reckon i could beat the lap record on Lorenzo's Girlfriend Elena Morali:2thumbsup
http://cdn.mondoreality.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Elena-Morali-1.jpghttp://cdn.mondoreality.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Elena-Morali-11.jpg

[Brian d marge]

I reckon i could beat the lap record on Lorenzo's Girlfriend Elena Morali:2thumbsup
http://cdn.mondoreality.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Elena-Morali-1.jpghttp://cdn.mondoreality.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Elena-Morali-11.jpg

I’ve had better

Stephen

[husaberg]

I’ve had better

Stephen

that Biagi story again.............
I must admit there is a far hotter brunette but can't remember whose she is?

[speights_bud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HejcPgfHS8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Make of that what you want,
I was thinking it's either a biker habit, or more likely I suspect he might want to learn the levers feel which Lorenzo uses to get his good starts. Looked pretty deliberate if you ask me

[speights_bud]

Just noticed at the start of the video he squeezed his ownlever , definitely making a direct comparison

[roogazza]

I'd rather ride Nigella than a Motogp bike if given the choice!:drool:
She's slimmed down a bit lately. She speaks beautifully with a wicked twinkle in her eye. Very attractive woman.:drool::drool:
I can imagine her making my eggs in the morning. :love:

[Drew]

She's slimmed down a bit lately, but funnily it doesn't seem to matter to me how big she is. She speaks beautifully with a wicked twinkle in her eye. Very attractive woman.:drool::drool:
I can imagine her making my eggs in the morning. :love:She's closer to your demographic, than she is mine aswell mate. Ya could be in there, ya know?

[GD66]

I must admit there is a far hotter brunette but can't remember whose she is?





Marco Melandri's ?

[roogazza]

She's closer to your demographic, than she is mine aswell mate. Ya could be in there, ya know?
LOL, I know, kicked that violent old man to the curb huh ?

Marco Melandri's ?
Oooooh Manu !!!
May as well talk about women, no GP till next week.

[merv]

LOL, I know, kicked that violent old man to the curb huh ?



Yeah, so she is available Gaz.

Get your wallpaper pics here http://www.hdwallpapers3d.com/nigella-lawson/

[husaberg]

Marco Melandri's ?

nah a bit skinny.....
http://media.indiatimes.in/media/content/2012/Nov/lauren_vickers-getty_1352377364_540x540.jpg
so is this one above, but i guess beggers can't be choosers:innocent:




<img src="http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_02/nigellaDM1409_468x500.jpg" height="255px"/><img src="http://assets1.heart.co.uk/2013/06/nigella-lawson13-1360938055-view-1.jpg" height="255px"/><img src="http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1352048.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Nigella%20Lawson-1352048" height="255px"/><img src="http://media.cirrusmedia.com.au/BT_Media_Library/Images/Nigella-Lawson.jpg" height="255px"/>

[merv]

You'd never go hungry with Nigella Gaz.

[husaberg]

You'd never go hungry with Nigella Gaz.

Ya have to go easy on the throttle though.....
http://www.newsbeater.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/nigella-lawson-charles-saatchi-300x236.jpg

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ya have to go easy on the throttle though.....
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She should've stabbed the fucking queer qunt in the face with a fork. Like this queer cunt did to the chick.

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[Bender]

Nice interview (http://www.crash.net/motogp/interview/197659/1/exclusive_herve_poncharal_tech_3_motogp_-_qa.html)with Herve Poncharal, boss of Tech 3 racing. I like this man's style.

[Brian d marge]

The bikes were in work today ,

I like the wee small one !!

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

A couple more

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Stephen

[Dave-]

The bikes were in work today ,

I like the wee small one !!

Stephen

WOOHOO!

Is that red anodised bit on the rear wheel hugger an IR temp sensor?

Also interesting to see that the famous rear wheel speed sensor wire protector is only velcro'd on....

[Mental Trousers]

The bikes were in work today ,

I like the wee small one !!

Stephen

Take a photo of the ugliest bit on those bikes. Bet you can't find it!!

[hayd3n]

did ya take it for a spin?

[Brian d marge]

Take a photo of the ugliest bit on those bikes. Bet you can't find it!!

How do you take a selfie on these phones

Stephen



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[Brian d marge]

did ya take it for a spin?

No but I have wheeled one around .. ( I think Pedrosa may have had a small high side from the sticky mess on the rear wheel )

Think cbr 600 but lower and slightly longer thats the feeling I got

Im not fit enough to ride one maybe 1/2 a lap , and I doubt it could even open the throttle ....

They are called aliens for a reason !!!

Stephen




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[DidJit]

MotoGP (and Moto3) maths (http://motomatters.com/analysis/2013/11/04/monday_motogp_mathematics_the_permutatio.html)...

[Bender]

Cast thine eyes upon this lot and drooleth (http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/11/01/motogp-tech-analysis-10-photos-of-modern-motogp-racing-bikes/1/) (and no it's not the grid girls...)

[Dave-]

Cast thine eyes upon this lot and drooleth (http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/11/01/motogp-tech-analysis-10-photos-of-modern-motogp-racing-bikes/1/) (and no it's not the grid girls...)

Oh gosh.....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Cast thine eyes upon this lot and drooleth (http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/11/01/motogp-tech-analysis-10-photos-of-modern-motogp-racing-bikes/1/) (and no it's not the grid girls...)


Oh gosh.....

Stiffy inducing.

[roogazza]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Nov/131106motogppre.htm

[Bender]

Hate the last race of the season. Means there's a big gap with no motogp to watch and bullshit about.

[Dave-]

Hate the last race of the season. Means there's a big gap with no motogp to watch and bullshit about.

But it's only a short while before the NZ season hots up, and then the bullshit comes thick and fast.

[tail_end_charlie]

Hmmmmm, possibility that Jerry Burgess (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Nov/131106burgess.htm) might call it quits after this year? I would have thought he would stick it out with Rossi till the end of his contract next season, but maybe someone else can breath some life into the old dog [Rossi] in his (probably) last year?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hmmmmm, possibility that Jerry Burgess (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Nov/131106burgess.htm) might call it quits after this year? I would have thought he would stick it out with Rossi till the end of his contract next season,?

Prob sick of losing mate!:innocent:

[pritch]

Prob sick of losing mate!:innocent:

While that may be true, Burgess' wife had a cancer scare a while back and it may just be that at this time in his life he feels that some things are more important than a motorbike race?

GPOne the Italian site that usually has the good oil is reporting that Rossi and Burgess are to go separate ways. Can't give you the details, as yet it's only in Italian.

Rossi hasn't really been able to improve his performances all season, so he must be thinking that something needs to change.

How many of the top crew chiefs are available? Pete Benson might be a good fit, but change for the sake of it might be counterproductive.

[Crasherfromwayback]

While that may be true, Burgess' wife had a cancer scare a while back and it may just be that at this time in his life he feels that some things are more important than a motorbike race?

.

I was only windinbg up the Rossi crew mate don't worry. And I'm surprised he didn't throw it in when wifey got crook. I would've.

[pritch]

I was only windinbg up the Rossi crew .

It worked then :whistle:

[Crasherfromwayback]

It worked then :whistle:

Not many of them left now mate. Like rats and a sinking ship...

[DidJit]

The best track day bike in the world (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/honda-rcv1000r/). A steal at a mere €1.2M...

[denill]

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Nov/131107rossiburgess.htm>So Val sacked Jeremy?</A>

[Drew]

Not many of them left now mate. Like rats and a sinking ship...

Some of us 'rats' are content to concede his convalescent riding, as a well deserved ride to retirement. (Took me an hour to form that sentence, don't be too literal with definitions and it almost makes sense).

I think he clearly still deserves the ride. Top five in GP, against younger riders who are less concerned with self preservation is a huge accolade.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think he clearly still deserves the ride. Top five in GP, against younger riders who are less concerned with self preservation is a huge accolade.

Got that useless cunt Bautista all over him ever race now. Wonder how the Bautista haters are enjoying that?

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2013/rossi+burgess+split+after+valencia+race

Edit. My bad. Didn't see Denill's post that beat me to it.

[malcy25]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2013/rossi+burgess+split+after+valencia+race

Don't forget JB's wife has recently had cancer....so I imagine he's probably less inclined to be there.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Don't forget JB's wife has recently had cancer....so I imagine he's probably less inclined to be there.

Yeah I appreciate that. But it's Rossi giving JB the boot mate, not JB jumping ship to go home.

[pritch]

Rossi said that JB did not want to commit past one more year. Rossi has serious decisions to make himself by race 6 or 7 next year and wanted his situation to be as clear as possible from the start of the season.

So, how many top level crew chiefs remain uncommitted at this late stage?

Where does that leave the current mechanics? Normally Alex Briggs reports on the topics of conversation during the drive to the track.
Perhaps not this time.

[roogazza]

Yeah I appreciate that. But it's Rossi giving JB the boot mate, not JB jumping ship to go home.
Quote:
Next year will be crucial and I need new motivation. In the last few races I’ve felt I wanted to work in a different way. It was a difficult choice to make. Yamaha had asked me some time ago, but I decided recently."
"In my head there is the idea of trying something new now. I’ve always done that in my career. Next year I have to earn a renewal with Yamaha, so I'll have to be competitive. I still do not know who will be the new chief mechanic.” End Quote.

It sounds like the writing is on the wall ? One last year to see whether wants to continue being fourth with the occasional podium. I think 2014 is his last and I'd be surprised if he decided to ride WSB ? He's too good for that. I'm off to see him again,just in case.

[Crasherfromwayback]

. I think 2014 is his last and I'd be surprised if he decided to ride WSB ? He's too good for that. I'm off to see him again,just in case.

I would've thought after so many years as top dog in GP racing that Superbikes would be a huge comedown for sure.

[DidJit]

... So, how many top level crew chiefs remain uncommitted at this late stage? ...

I wonder if Cristian Gabbarini feels like putting up his hand?

[imdying]

Alex Briggs is actually more of a GP hero to me than most of the riders, I hope he doesn't get left out in the cold.

Might be a nice change for him Crasher... WSB isn't all that bad, and the slower pace might increase his enjoyment in his twilight years :)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Might be a nice change for him Crasher... WSB isn't all that bad, and the slower pace might increase his enjoyment in his twilight years :)

Weird...but I just can't get excited about Superbikes anymore. Back in the Foggy/Russell/Polen/Slighty/Gobert/Bayliss/Edwards days for sure. But now...nah.

[Drew]

Weird...but I just can't get excited about Superbikes anymore. Back in the Foggy/Russell/Polen/Slighty/Gobert/Bayliss/Edwards days for sure. But now...nah.That surprises me. The racing is SOOOO much better. The manufacturers are better represented, (Ducati still performs about the same though), and there's plenty O tustling right through the field.

[denill]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2013/rossi+burgess+split+after+valencia+race

Edit. My bad. Didn't see Denill's post that beat me to it.

Apologising??? Jeez, you're getting soft Pete, lol;)

[imdying]

Weird...but I just can't get excited about Superbikes anymore. Back in the Foggy/Russell/Polen/Slighty/Gobert/Bayliss/Edwards days for sure. But now...nah.

I get that... the racing is good, but production based bikes don't interest me in the slightest.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That surprises me. The racing is SOOOO much better. The manufacturers are better represented, (Ducati still performs about the same though), and there's plenty O tustling right through the field.

Sorry. Can't agree. And besides...as I've said many times...I'd rather watch a gp bike going round a track at warp factor nine on it's own than a bunch of Superbikes playing together.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Apologising??? Jeez, you're getting soft Pete, lol;)

Lol. Fuck off! Better?

[Drew]

Sorry. Can't agree. And besides...as I've said many times...I'd rather watch a gp bike going round a track at warp factor nine on it's own than a bunch of Superbikes playing together.Define "warp factor nine" for me mate.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/811/15057/Motorcycle-Article/Backmarker--Production-Bikes-vs--MotoGP.aspx

Looks to me, like there's fuck all in it. Except of course, for the WSBikes bucking and trying to kill the riders...a bit like you have said many times you enjoyed watchin the 500s do.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Define "warp factor nine" for me mate.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/811/15057/Motorcycle-Article/Backmarker--Production-Bikes-vs--MotoGP.aspx

Looks to me, like there's fuck all in it. Except of course, for the WSBikes bucking and trying to kill the riders...a bit like you have said many times you enjoyed watchin the 500s do.

Hate to say it again mate...but get back to me when you've actually been to a GP. And Superbikes have always been close to GP bikes lap time wise at certain tracks. Hell...Steve Hislop beat Rossi's outright lap record at Donington years ago on his Ducati superbike. Hardly anything new there. But until you see a Moto GP bike at full chat you ain't seen nothin. When I see a superbike go through turn 3 at PI at 265kph on the lockstops laying a large rubber blackie I might get a bit excited about them. Until then...stick 'em up your arse.

[pritch]

I watch both SBK and GPs and have been to both. There was a big gap between Fred Merkel and Casey Stoner though so there is nothing with which to form a meaningful comparison. Since SKY decided to show BSB this year I watched that too; the bikes are down-spec but the racing is brilliant.

SBK is much more casual, if you've got the right ticket you get to mingle with the riders. The GP riders are not so readily available. At Phillip Island it seems you can ride around the outside of the track on your bike to get from place to place at Superbikes. At GPs that road is closed for emergency vehicles only.

They're all much betterer than watching another episode of Downton Abbey anyway.

Rossi has said he hopes the mechanics will stay. I have to check Gabbarini's CV as the Twitterati seem to think he's the man. Although Yamaha say several are being considered - no names at this stage.

[Drew]

Hate to say it again mate...but get back to me when you've actually been to a GP. And Superbikes have always been close to GP bikes lap time wise at certain tracks. Hell...Steve Hislop beat Rossi's outright lap record at Donington years ago on his Ducati superbike. Hardly anything new there. But until you see a Moto GP bike at full chat you ain't seen nothin. When I see a superbike go through turn 3 at PI at 265kph on the lockstops laying a large rubber blackie I might get a bit excited about them. Until then...stick 'em up your arse.WatchootalkinboutWillis? I've been to a GP.

It's all academic of course, we are neither of us likely to change the others opinion. I just don't figure there's a huge gap between the bikes or the skill to ride them.

We might both agree though, that there should be a substantial gap between the disciplines and their machinery. I think the rules are choking the living shit out of what would be on track if it were a true prototype class of racing.

[Crasherfromwayback]

WatchootalkinboutWillis? I've been to a GP.

It's all academic of course, we are neither of us likely to change the others opinion. I just don't figure there's a huge gap between the bikes or the skill to ride them.

.

Have ya? Forgot that. Maybe you slept through the big boys race then! The gap is huge sorry. I rode a KR1SP. Massive alloy beam frame...huge 320mm floating discs with large 4 piston calipers...fucking awesome production bike. Then rode an RS250. Massive alloy frame...huge 320mm disc rotors with large 4 piston calipers. Both 250cc two strokes. Pretty similar right? No. There's a very good reason why a LOT of superbike guys don't make the transition to GP bikes mate...they're chalk and cheese trust me. Another reason I admire the GP boys so much more. Look what Spies did to them on a Superbike. But he never really made the grade on a GP bike. How's MM? The REAL good cunts will race anything to the front. And they're all in GP racing for a reason. It's still where it's at talent wise.

[actungbaby]

Have ya? Forgot that. Maybe you slept through the big boys race then! The gap is huge sorry. I rode a KR1SP. Massive alloy beam frame...huge 320mm floating discs with large 4 piston calipers...fucking awesome production bike. Then rode an RS250. Massive alloy frame...huge 320mm disc rotors with large 4 piston calipers. Both 250cc two strokes. Pretty similar right? No. There's a very good reason why a LOT of superbike guys don't make the transition to GP bikes mate...they're chalk and cheese trust me. Another reason I admire the GP boys so much more. Look what Spies did to them on a Superbike. But he never really made the grade on a GP bike. How's MM? The REAL good cunts will race anything to the front. And they're all in GP racing for a reason. It's still where it's at talent wise.

Yes those Kr 250 where good bikes where they . what you guys think

Of rossi getting new crew chief wonder who he get . seems shame jermey burguss

alot exp there i read where said he retire fter rossi retired so not sure if he go to another

team or not .

what was about the rs 250 was they way engine picked up revs seems factory racing

engine always going be better because doesint have to work as road legal bike engine.

[pritch]

The JB sacking still dominates the news. Azi Farni (BBC) and others feel JB should have been treated with more respect. The timing was dictated by a leak to an Italian website. Rossi blames some "fucking journalist". But the leak originated in Tavullia so is the blame belongs closer to home.

Rossi is adamant that he can still compete on equal terms with DP MM & JL. Consensus in the paddock is that he can't. One pundit says we'll know by this time next year. We'll know long before that.

Meanwhile back with the bikes: the turn 13 slow motion shots are definitely worth checking out - if you have paid for access.

[denill]

The JB sacking still dominates the news. Azi Farni (BBC) and others feel JB should have been treated with more respect. The timing was dictated by a leak to an Italian website. Rossi blames some "fucking journalist". But the leak originated in Tavullia so is the blame belongs closer to home.

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/getVote.jsp?pn=rossiburg1107>An interesting poll:</A>

[denill]

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Nov/131108Galbusera.htm>What's that?</A>

[carbonhed]

Marquez through turn 13 :eek: 'kinell.

[BMWST?]

<tbody style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent;">
1
93
Marc MARQUEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Marc+Marquez)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
326.8
1'31.220



2
26
Dani PEDROSA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Dani+Pedrosa)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
328.3
1'31.286
0.066 / 0.066


3
99
Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo)
SPA
Yamaha Factory Racing
Yamaha
322.7
1'31.378
0.158 / 0.092


4
35
Cal CRUTCHLOW (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Cal+Crutchlow)
GBR
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
323.7
1'31.502
0.282 / 0.124


5
46
Valentino ROSSI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Valentino+Rossi)
ITA
Yamaha Factory Racing
Yamaha
322.1
1'31.639
0.419 / 0.137


6
6
Stefan BRADL (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Stefan+Bradl)
GER
LCR Honda MotoGP
Honda
326.2
1'31.858
0.638 / 0.219


7
19
Alvaro BAUTISTA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Alvaro+Bautista)
SPA
GO&FUN Honda Gresini
Honda
325.3
1'31.873
0.653 / 0.015


8
38
Bradley SMITH (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Bradley+Smith)
GBR
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
320.7
1'31.984
0.764 / 0.111


9
4
Andrea DOVIZIOSO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Dovizioso)
ITA
Ducati Team
Ducati
321.1
1'32.363
1.143 / 0.379


10
69
Nicky HAYDEN (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Nicky+Hayden)
USA
Ducati Team
Ducati
318.3
1'32.395
1.175 / 0.032


11
29
Andrea IANNONE (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Iannone)
ITA
Energy T.I. Pramac Racing
Ducati
319.8
1'32.596
1.376 / 0.201


12
51
Michele PIRRO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Michele+Pirro)
ITA
Ducati Test Team
Ducati
318.8
1'32.756
1.536 / 0.160


13
41
Aleix ESPARGARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Aleix+Espargaro)
SPA
Power Electronics Aspar
ART
311.6
1'32.809
1.589 / 0.053


14
71
Claudio CORTI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Claudio+Corti)
ITA
NGM Mobile Forward Racing
FTR Kawasaki
307.4
1'33.172
1.952 / 0.363


15
5
Colin EDWARDS (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Colin+Edwards)
USA
NGM Mobile Forward Racing
FTR Kawasaki
309.2
1'33.252
2.032 / 0.080


16
8
Hector BARBERA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Hector+Barbera)
SPA
Avintia Blusens
FTR
309.1
1'33.270
2.050 / 0.018


17
9
Danilo PETRUCCI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Danilo+Petrucci)
ITA
Came IodaRacing Project
Ioda-Suter
307.0
1'33.304
2.084 / 0.034


18
68
Yonny HERNANDEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Yonny+Hernandez)
COL
Ignite Pramac Racing
Ducati
319.8
1'33.487
2.267 / 0.183


19
14
Randy DE PUNIET (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Randy+de+Puniet)
FRA
Power Electronics Aspar
ART
307.1
1'33.727
2.507 / 0.240


20
23
Luca SCASSA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Luca+Scassa)
ITA
Cardion AB Motoracing
ART
305.4
1'34.049
2.829 / 0.322


21
7
Hiroshi AOYAMA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Hiroshi+Aoyama)
JPN
Avintia Blusens
FTR
311.9
1'34.077
2.857 / 0.028


22
70
Michael LAVERTY (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Michael+Laverty)
GBR
Paul Bird Motorsport
ART
306.3
1'34.132
2.912 / 0.055


23
67
Bryan STARING (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Bryan+Staring)
AUS
GO&FUN Honda Gresini
FTR Honda
303.7
1'35.478
4.258 / 1.346


24
50
Damian CUDLIN (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Damian+Cudlin)
AUS
Paul Bird Motorsport
PBM
304.5
1'35.644
4.424 / 0.166


25
45
Martin BAUER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Martin+Bauer)
AUT
Remus Racing Team
S&B Suter
301.0
1'35.832
4.612 / 0.188


26
52
Lukas PESEK (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Lukas+Pesek)
CZE
Came IodaRacing Project
Ioda-Suter
301.3
1'36.353
5.133 / 0.521

</tbody>
Weather Conditions: | Track Condition: Dry| Air: 23º| Humidity: 41%| Ground: 25ºRecords:
<tbody style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent;">
Fastest Lap:
Lap: 16
Marc MARQUEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Marc+Marquez)
1'31.220
158.0 Km/h


Circuit Record Lap:
2008
Casey STONER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Casey+Stoner)
1'32.582
155.7 Km/h


Best Lap:
2012
Dani PEDROSA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Dani+Pedrosa)
1'30.844
158.7 Km/h

</tbody>

[roogazza]

One of many guesses ??
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Nov/131108Galbusera.htm

Ps sorry about that, Bill and I obviously read the same sites ????

[sugilite]

Jerry "Umm, yeah, Valentino, I was thinking of hanging up my spanners year after next, settle down with the wife, enjoy life a little, relax. I've been a long time on the road my loyal and trusted friend"
Valentino "Yeah Jerry, I understand, you have been instrumental in helping me win my multiple championships, I can never thank you enough for your years of sacrifice, especially in these later years after my making shit decisions and the waning of my desire to do what it takes to win"

Nek Minute at the following days press conference....
Valentino "I've decided to give Jerry the boot, because NO BITCH LEAVES VALINTINO, sob, sob, sob, YOU FUCKING HEAR ME CUNTS, NO BITCH EVER, EVER LEAVES VALINTINO, VALINTINO ALWAYS LEAVES THE BITCH YOU FUCKING MOTHER FUCKER BURGESS, YOU FUCKING HEAR ME!!! sob, sob, sob".

I already know the name of his next years crew chief, it's Patsy...remember, you heard it here first :yes:

[BMWST?]

I can buy a new motogp xlite helmet for a mere NZ$1617.00,the clincher is free freight.

[BMWST?]

it will be christian gabarini i reckon.Not a perfect atmosphere in that garage after PI

[denill]

One of many guesses ??
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Nov/131108Galbusera.htm

Ps sorry about that, Bill and I obviously read the same sites ????

Did you read:<a href=http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/197944/1/rossi_burgess_discuss_shock_2014_split.html>"It blindsided me and I didn't expect it whatsoever" - Jerry Burgess.</a> ?

[roogazza]

Did you read:<a href=http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/197944/1/rossi_burgess_discuss_shock_2014_split.html>"It blindsided me and I didn't expect it whatsoever" - Jerry Burgess.</a> ?
Have now ! I'm confused as to what "work in another way" is ???

Maybe he wants his old M1 back ??? (not the Horhay one ??)

[Crasherfromwayback]

So the worlds best development rider thinks getting a new crew chief will help him ride better than he's obviously able to eh? Tui!!!!!!!

[BMWST?]

i think he realises that he has lost his edge.Or needs to find it again,maybe he thinks a new crew cheif will make him less comfortable

[Crasherfromwayback]

i think he realises that he has lost his edge.Or needs to find it again,maybe he thinks a new crew cheif will make him less comfortable

I wonder how many times after qualifying, that Burgess has found Rossi that 100th he needs to win in morning warmup? Thanks for all your help Jerry!

[pritch]

There are several things about all this that I don't understand.

The team has been unable to find a consistent setting that will give Rossi the front end feel he needs. It's not like Burgess was the sole source of potential solutions though, they have Ohlins and Brembo reps on hand as well as Yamaha engineers, it's hard to see why they haven't found an answer.

GP bikes are reputedly much more adjustable than SBK machines. I'da thunk an SBK crew chief might have had a steep learning curve when Rossi needs a guy who can be up to speed very quickly. If Rossi were to come right half way through the season it'd probably already be too late, Smith or Espagero will already have been lined up to take his seat.

Yamaha might not be too unhappy at a situation like that, Rossi would be free to ride the new R1 in SBK in 2015.

Ah well, looking forward to the race anyway...

And that poll isn't even close.

[onearmedbandit]

I always knew certain Kiwi's were instrumental in MotoGP, just didn't realise so many of them posted in this thread.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I always knew certain Kiwi's were instrumental in MotoGP, just didn't realise so many of them posted in this thread.

Damn muthafucking straight! If the homo's running the show need a hand, they only need ask us!

[GD66]

I wonder how many times after qualifying, that Burgess has found Rossi that 100th he needs to win in morning warmup? Thanks for all your help Jerry!




How often did Michelin make him new tyres overnight to engineer a race win ? Didn't stop him shitting on them at short notice to get on to the Bridgestones. Shat on Gibernau, shat on Honda, shat on Yamaha.....same old stuff...:motu:

[husaberg]

Mike Sinclair still lurking in CHCH......

[Crasherfromwayback]

How often did Michelin make him new tyres overnight to engineer a race win ? Didn't stop him shitting on them at short notice to get on to the Bridgestones. Shat on Gibernau, shat on Honda, shat on Yamaha.....same old stuff...:motu:

And still they love the greaseball. :shutup:

[husaberg]

And still they love the greaseball. :shutup:

i guess he is 80% of the problem and he can't sack himself......

Burgess is not a man to mince his words and once expounded his famous "80/20" theory: In a motorcycle race, the contribution of the rider is 80% and that of the bike is 20%. This was despite the belief of Honda management that even a middle-ranking rider could win on their Grand Prix machinery. Rossi's successful move to Yamaha at a time when Honda reputedly had the best bike in MotoGP would seem to have proved the veracity of Burgess' theory, although it is also important to note that Rossi was accompanied by Burgess and some of his team.In post-season 2010, Rossi signed a two year contract with Ducati for the 2011 and 2012 seasons and once again convinced Burgess to be part of his team. Burgess also transferred most of his crew, mainly Australians and New Zealanders.

[Crasherfromwayback]

i guess he is 80% of the problem and he can't sack himself......

I'm thinking closer to 95%

[husaberg]

I'm thinking closer to 95%

don't know he is a real talent, but does he really still have the desire to win at all costs, does he still have the drive..........
Time will tell... maybe he needs everyone to right him off, he might need his back against the wall to succeed.

[Crasherfromwayback]

don't know he is a real talent, but does he really still have the desire to win at all costs, does he still have the drive..........
Time will tell... maybe he needs everyone to right him off, he might need his back against the wall to succeed.

I think the goal posts have simply been moved mate...and he hasn't been able to move with them. It started with Stoner.

[Bender]

I think the goal posts have simply been moved mate...and he hasn't been able to move with them. It started with Stoner.

^^^^
This.

Rossi was dumbfounded when he got on the Ducati and realised that Stoner had been able to beat him - even win a world championship - on this machinery. It rocked his confidence to the core and I don't believe he has been able to get it back. He can't get front end feel on the bike that his team mate, GL, is riding with the fastest mid corner speed in the pack. Maybe the missing front end feel can be found somewhere between Rossi's left ear and right ear.

Great rider he is, without a doubt. But his time has come and gone, the same as it did with Ago, Hailwood, Garnder, Schwantz, Spencer Doohan et al.

MM has set a new standard, riding the bike in a new way - a distillation of the Stoner riding style but perfected in his own way. He's the new Saarinen.

I'm wondering more and more, whether the riders we have been watching are simply second rate and have been since Doohan retired. Rossi was good enough for them, but he isn't good enough for this generation - even Bradl & Bautista on 'B-spec' bikes are giving him a hard time.

[Crasherfromwayback]

^^^^
.

I'm wondering more and more, whether the riders we have been watching are simply second rate and have been since Doohan retired. Rossi was good enough for them, but he isn't good enough for this generation - even Bradl & Bautista on 'B-spec' bikes are giving him a hard time.

Lol. Don't dare to go there mate. I've already mentioned this a fair few times! Some people can't handle the truth when they're in love.

[Drew]

Lol. Don't dare to go there mate. I've already mentioned this a fair few times! Some people can't handle the truth when they're in love.I think you want us to take it more personally, than we really do.

Rossi was the spectacle for a long time. He changed the sport, and was near unbeatable until Lorenzo stopped crashing, and Stoner showed up.

He's not the best anymore. Never will be again. He's got no answer for the younger guys, and I think he knows that too.

The Burgess thing, I don't understand. It's easy to want Rossi to not be the bad guy, as a fan. But if what we're reading is to be believed there's just no other way to look at it. I guess it's a similar thing to the old saying, 'never meet your heroes'. Given how long he's been in the media and how closely he's followed, there shouldn't be any surprise that he will disappoint at some stage.

[husaberg]

^^^^
This.

Rossi was dumbfounded when he got on the Ducati and realised that Stoner had been able to beat him - even win a world championship - on this machinery. It rocked his confidence to the core and I don't believe he has been able to get it back. He can't get front end feel on the bike that his team mate, GL, is riding with the fastest mid corner speed in the pack. Maybe the missing front end feel can be found somewhere between Rossi's left ear and right ear.

Great rider he is, without a doubt. But his time has come and gone, the same as it did with Ago, Hailwood, Garnder, Schwantz, Spencer Doohan et al.


wash your mouth out
Hailwood, Doohan, kev all left at the top of their Game. Gardner and kev were far to banged up (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=244778&d=1313398167),kev lost the fun factor after Rainey)and had Spencer was burnt after the double and the ops didn't work to fix the pump.
Ya missed Lawson BTW how could you miss Lawson and Roberts............

[denill]

wash your mouth out
Hailwood, Doohan, kev all left at the top of their Game. Gardner and kev were far to banged up,kev lost the fun factor after Rainey)and had Spencer was burnt after the double and the ops didn't work to fix the pump.
Ya missed Lawson BTW how could you miss Lawson and Roberts............

And Stoner?

[Bender]

They fall into the "et al" category, which simply means I thought the list was getting too long. Those champions retired for various reaons that are irrelevant, other than they left the scene.

[husaberg]

They fall into the "et al" category, which simply means I thought the list was getting too long. Those champions retired for various reaons that are irrelevant, other than they left the scene.

nah ya not getting off that easily you said they were left behind by better riders this was not the case.
what ever the list lawson should have been on it not, Gardner no mater how much i admired him he was no Lawson.......

And Stoner?

As for Stoner nah didn't rate him, electronics made him look better than he was.

[denill]

I have long had the opinion that it's sad when good riders hang in too long. Frankie Chilli is a good example, as is Colin Edwards. It's not like they need the money?

For that matter, Val probably has Jeremy a good turn, as at age 60 he doesn't need it.

[denill]

As for Stoner nah didn't rate him, electronics made him look better than he was.

Bloody troll :yawn:

[husaberg]

Bloody troll :yawn:

its not a troll its my opinion.......i don't think he was in the class of Mick Dohaan or Eddie lawson, Wayne R or Kev S
the bikes these guy rode on were RAW........

shit Casey even would like to have a go with them by the sound of it.

Stoner has stated that he would prefer to shun the limelight and would prefer to let his riding style do the talking. In a recent interview with Australian Motorcycle News, he was quoted as saying that he would prefer a return to purer form of racing from the 500cc days, stating that "Back in those days, it was just racing – Doohan, Rainey, Schwantz, Gardner, Lawson – not half as much bullshit as now. That was the life." compared to the racing that he participates in.


Chilli was esp fun to watch and his one off on the Cagiva 2 stroke a year after they retired was awesome........

Coin Edwards, i never rated him either at first, but i guess he did deliver for Honda eventually in WSB, why he's stuck around not quite sure.
He was made to look ordinary by most his team mates.
Just as Slight beat most of his teamates but wasn't rated by most which was a bit unfair.......

[actungbaby]

[QUOTE=pritch;1130635575]The JB sacking still dominates the news. Azi Farni (BBC) and others feel JB should have been treated with more respect.
Totally dude he comes across as nice bloke good natured too , he stuck in there hasint he

The timing was dictated by a leak to an Italian website. Rossi blames some "fucking journalist". But the leak originated in Tavullia so is the blame belongs closer to home.

Rossi is adamant that he can still compete on equal terms with DP MM & JL. Consensus in the paddock is that he can't. One pundit says we'll know by this time next year. We'll know long before that.

Ever one has there day sad but true . smacks of tiger woods with his caddy.

[actungbaby]

I think you want us to take it more personally, than we really do.

Rossi was the spectacle for a long time. He changed the sport, and was near unbeatable until Lorenzo stopped crashing, and Stoner showed up.

He's not the best anymore. Never will be again. He's got no answer for the younger guys, and I think he knows that too.

The Burgess thing, I don't understand. It's easy to want Rossi to not be the bad guy, as a fan. But if what we're reading is to be believed there's just no other way to look at it. I guess it's a similar thing to the old saying, 'never meet your heroes'. Given how long he's been in the media and how closely he's followed, there shouldn't be any surprise that he will disappoint at some stage.

Yes he is human i just think people make to much of him and in his case it hasint umm

made him better person for it ;-)

[Crasherfromwayback]

As for Stoner nah didn't rate him, electronics made him look better than he was.

For a chap that considers himself well informed you're off track there mate. It's a well known fact that Stoner relied on the electronics far less than pretty much everyone else. MM has used his settings.


its not a troll its my opinion.......i don't think he was in the class of Mick Dohaan or Eddie lawson, Wayne R or Kev S
shit Casey even would like to have a go with them by the sound of it.

...

Stoner has won more races than Lawson, Rainey, Schwantz and Gardner. End of.

[husaberg]

For a chap that considers himself well informed you're off track there mate. It's a well known fact that Stoner relied on the electronics far less than pretty much everyone else. MM has used his settings.



Stoner has won more races than Lawson, Rainey, Schwantz and Gardner. End of.
really????????????

you missed the point.........re the electronics.
and Stoner only won 2 championships, less championships than Rainey (3), lawson (4) Doohan (5)only one more than Schwantz and Gardner.
These guys won them against each other.

Pete, stoners yes hes won more races yet his wining percentage is average, hes only won 2 championships, because they average about 5-6 more racers a year, you know this. i don't think there is a same depth at the moment as evidenced by the average riders that are still past their best yet still mixing it in Motogp

[Drew]

Rainey (3), lawson (4) Doohan (5)only one more than Schwantz and Gardner.
These guys won them against each other.
There's an interseting way of looking at it. But, were they all racing for the full eleven years together? Like, did anyone else get a look in over that time?

[husaberg]

There's an interseting way of looking at it. But, were they all racing for the full eleven years together? Like, did anyone else get a look in over that time?

for the most part over about the 8 year heyday they actually were.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Mick_Doohan_1990_Japanese_GP.jpg/220px-Mick_Doohan_1990_Japanese_GP.jpg

Lawson and Gardner retired the same year as each other. 92 lawson went from 83-92 Gardner 83 but full seasons 85-92

the party stopped when Rainey was injured..93 84-93 (88-93 on 500's)

Schwantz retired 95. 86-95

Doohan totally dominated from then on...... his 500gp years were 89-99 (lost best part of 2 good years when he was at his best from the assen crash)

I can't think of anyone who did get a look in over the period, Kockinski, beatie and Caladora threatened..........other than spencer but i already mentioned him up 87 when he burned out

[pritch]

Interesting comment from Nick Harris during FP2.

As near as I can recall, "Bradley Smith has scored more world championship points in his debut season in the premier class than any previous British rider."
And that's with a race to go.

I don't know how far Harris is going back, but I didn't want Pete to miss that. :devil2:

Also, during one of the recent MotoPod podcasts there was mention that at this stage Colin Edwards will be riding without pay next year. He needs to find an additional sponsor if he wants a wage.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Interesting comment from Nick Harris during FP2.

As near as I can recall, "Bradley Smith has scored more world championship points in his debut season in the premier class than any previous British rider."
And that's with a race to go.

I don't know how far Harris is going back, but I didn't want Pete to miss that. :devil2:

.

Lol. That's not saying a whole lot though is it! Mind you...if he has a good race tonight the lil fucker could cost me a carton!

[Bender]

nah ya not getting off that easily you said they were left behind by better riders this was not the case.
what ever the list lawson should have been on it not, Gardner no mater how much i admired him he was no Lawson.......


As for Stoner nah didn't rate him, electronics made him look better than he was.

Well, we can once again discuss who are the greatest of all time by creating a big long list (I mean, we all left of Yer Maun for starters...)

But the two points I was making were that MM has lifted the bar a long way and anyone who wants to be world champion over the next few years is going to have to get there. Lorenzo is there, but only just (and the Yamaha isn't, but only just).

And, is Rossi as good as we were all led to believe over the last decade? Was the opposition through that time simply off the pace a notch or two? He's at least smart enough to understand this and wants to prove he was, and still is, worthy of the title of GOAT. He thinks that he needs fresh thinking in his camp, hence the removal of Burgess.

Christian Gabbarini to Rossi? I doubt it.

[denill]

Have read that now Suzuki could just tempt Burgess with a job offer. A bit 'fanciful' I know. But the more ridiculous but whimsical thought is - that he brings Stoner with him. ;)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Have read that now Suzuki could just tempt Burgess with a job offer. A bit 'fanciful' I know. But the more ridiculous but whimsical thought is - that he brings Stoner with him. ;)

I'd say there as much chance of Stoner wanting to team up with Jerry as there is me getting a call from Suzuki to be team mates with him.

Doubt Stoner would ever forgive Jerry for doubting his efforts on the Ducati.

[Drew]

I'd say there as much chance of Stoner wanting to team up with Jerry as there is me getting a call from Suzuki to be team mates with him.

Doubt Stoner would ever forgive Jerry for doubting his efforts on the Ducati.

Were I Burgess, I think I'd just retire and fuck off home. He's not gonna be short of a dollar or two, whatever team he did go to isn't gonna find another Marquez for a few years, and the guy's getting on a bit.

Who needs the bloody drama?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Were I Burgess, I think I'd just retire and fuck off home. He's not gonna be short of a dollar or two, whatever team he did go to isn't gonna find another Marquez for a few years, and the guy's getting on a bit.

Who needs the bloody drama?

Agree 100%

[HenryDorsetCase]

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I won't be staying up to watch though.

Yay for Sommet sports though, eh?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Were I Burgess, I think I'd just retire and fuck off home. He's not gonna be short of a dollar or two, whatever team he did go to isn't gonna find another Marquez for a few years, and the guy's getting on a bit.

Who needs the bloody drama?

I remember Jerry saying last year that he would stick around as long as Rossi did. Now Rossi has kicked him to the kerb more than likely he would be all like "Fuck this, I'm done". He is only 60 though. Depends if he wants another go-round on the roller coaster.

[Drew]

I remember Jerry saying last year that he would stick around as long as Rossi did. Now Rossi has kicked him to the kerb more than likely he would be all like "Fuck this, I'm done". He is only 60 though. Depends if he wants another go-round on the roller coaster.This threads days (hours now) are numbered. I've taken to my mindless ramblings in the 2014 thread.

Everyone is wording the split similarly to you. It might be right of course, and Burgess certainly didn't have time to form a politically acceptable response to the question when asked about it. But it rings slightly off, to my ear at least.

Rossi is no golden boy...though some of us wish he was because of his achievment and flair. But there's possibly a lot more to it than what we hear. Media, after all, cannot be trusted to present any story as a whole. It wouldn't promote future sales if they did.

[onearmedbandit]

Exactly Drew, 95% of what is discussed here is based on what we get presented with by Dorna, the media and the like.

[Bender]

Were I Burgess, I think I'd just retire and fuck off home. He's not gonna be short of a dollar or two, whatever team he did go to isn't gonna find another Marquez for a few years, and the guy's getting on a bit.

Who needs the bloody drama?

Can't disagree with that. Although, there could be a tasty position going with Aprilia for the next year or so...

[BMWST?]

i would think Mr Honda might be quite keen to have someone overseeing development of their production racer.....or maybe not

[pritch]

Were I Burgess, I think I'd just retire and fuck off home.
Who needs the bloody drama?

Yeah, except he had a contract for another year and would have budgeted for that income, to have it chopped off would cause a fairly major reappraisal.

If nothing suitable was forthcoming there are always those commentators and journalists who are imminentliy to be made redundant by BT having taken over the motorcycle racing coverage in Britain from Eurosport and the BBC. JB's memoirs should have the makings of a decent book - I'd buy it.

[denill]

JB's memoirs should have the makings of a decent book - I'd buy it.

Me too. JB has a penchant for 'saying it as it is'. (Except maybe at his last press conference?) So it's bound to be a great read.

[carbonhed]

Moto3 is nicely poised with the three contenders on the front row of the grid.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Moto3 is nicely poised with the three contenders on the front row of the grid.

Was a good race as was moto 2. Bring on the big boys. MMFTW!

[kevfromcoro]

last round just starting now....
jezz there is a crowd there
this will be interestng

[Tony.OK]

Epic first 10 laps................best I've seen in in years.
Whoever reckons Dani ain't got any mongrel in him will be eating their words. Knew I liked him for a reason. :Punk:

Lorenzo................balls of steel :laugh:

MM was looking very much like his Repsol predecessor with some beauty driftwork.........and proved he has a mature head on his shoulders :niceone:

All I can say now is..............BRING ON NEXT SEASON!!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Epic first 10 laps................best I've seen in in years.
Whoever reckons Dani ain't got any mongrel in him will be eating their words. Knew I liked him for a reason. :Punk:

Lorenzo................balls of steel :laugh:

MM was looking very much like his Repsol predecessor with some beauty driftwork.........and proved he has a mature head on his shoulders :niceone:

All I can say now is..............BRING ON NEXT SEASON!!!!

Fitting end to an epic season!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Steinlager Classic...24 bottles.


Ta.:headbang:

[GD66]

Just 4 points in it at the end. Who knows what may have happened if JL had a team-mate capable of lifting a few points from the Hondas during the race...or the season...:brick:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just 4 points in it at the end. Who knows what may have happened if JL had a team-mate capable of lifting a few points from the Hondas during the race...or the season...:brick:

Yeah but bit like saying *if* MM didn't lose his points at Phillip Island should Lorenzo have won the title. Matters not. The right man won the title fair and square.

[DidJit]

Epic first 10 laps...

And to think that was because Lorenzo deliberately slowed the pace (http://www.gpone.com/en/2013111012191/Lorenzo-Marquez-non-ha-abboccato.html) in the hope he could get a hand from the others to scrap with Márquez... Fantastic rides from Jorge and Dani!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Suck it up haters.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Nov/131110marcbio.htm

[Bender]

Absolutely staggering race - well, at least the first 10 laps. Good on Lorenzo and Pedrosa for showing that they still have the speed and the mongrel.

Yamaha is in the shit while they still have Rossi in the team. Even with Lorezo riding round with the handbrake on Rossi was unable to match the pace and help out.

Should be great season next time round - I'm really looking forward to the Open Class - will be a strong mid-pack with the new Hondas, Yamahas, and hybrids. Bring it on.

:clap:

[Bender]

Suck it up haters.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Nov/131110marcbio.htm

That's a heck of a record he's already amassed. The MotoGP website has a bunch of classic races on it - with pitched battles between some of the greats.

That final would have to rate as highly as any of them.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yamaha is in the shit while they still have Rossi in the team. Even with Lorezo riding round with the handbrake on Rossi was unable to match the pace and help out.

:

Yep. Even when the goalposts have their hand brakes on Rossi can no longer hack it. Time to fuck off rather than sack your long serving (suffering?) crew chief. Perhaps the King of mind games got his head fucked in when he thought he was better than Stoner and got shown up to be nowhere near as good eh? Think the quote went something like this (after Stoner got third was it? at Assen?)

"We don't know how good the Ducati is as maybe Stoner isn't trying"

Lololololololololollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll oooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllllll

Fail.

Rossi to Yamaha..."It's Lorenzo or me!!!!!"


FAIL.

[denill]

Absolutely staggering race - well, at least the first 10 laps. Good on Lorenzo and Pedrosa for showing that they still have the speed and the mongrel.

Just imagine the bitchin if MM had pulled move that on DP................ :(

[denill]

I lost respect for Rossi (Not as a rider) after this exchange occurred in 2010:

But Rossi says it is hard to judge the potential of the Ducati because Stoner does not ride the machine to its limits.

"It is very difficult to understand the level of the Ducati because Stoner doesn't push at 100 per cent," Rossi said.

"Both (Honda's Dani) Pedrosa and Lorenzo work a lot in practice on their bikes and they try to understand everything with long runs but Stoner makes just one lap, so it is difficult to understand the performance."

Stoner has rejected the Italian champion's assessment, saying he should sort out his own problems first.

"I don't care about his opinion, at the moment he's getting his arse kicked by his teammate so he has to worry about that first," Stoner said.

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=7961917

[Crasherfromwayback]

I lost respect for Rossi (Not as a rider) after this exchange occurred in 2010:

But Rossi says it is hard to judge the potential of the Ducati because Stoner does not ride the machine to its limits.

"It is very difficult to understand the level of the Ducati because Stoner doesn't push at 100 per cent," Rossi said.

"Both (Honda's Dani) Pedrosa and Lorenzo work a lot in practice on their bikes and they try to understand everything with long runs but Stoner makes just one lap, so it is difficult to understand the performance."

Stoner has rejected the Italian champion's assessment, saying he should sort out his own problems first.

"I don't care about his opinion, at the moment he's getting his arse kicked by his teammate so he has to worry about that first," Stoner said.

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=7961917

Like you...that's when I switched off.

Bye bye Rossi.

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[GD66]

The right man won the title fair and square.



No risk ! Another gripping season, the finale must have been an incredible meeting to attend with 104,000 crazy Spaniards going berserk at the on-track knuckle-up.

[Crasherfromwayback]

No risk ! Another gripping season, the finale must have been an incredible meeting to attend with 104,000 crazy Spaniards going berserk at the on-track knuckle-up.

I was there when MM won his 125cc title...and they went fucking mental then!

[merv]

The conspiracy theory of course is MM made sure he didn't win it earlier so the finale went down to the wire in Spain lol.

[eelracing]

Congrats to the young man he deserved it.
The bonus of course is that he has brought back some of the mongrel in the old dogs.
I hav'nt seen the race but it sounds like the two biggest crybabies when it comes to rough riding have suddenly unhitched their panties...pity it was to late.

God I miss Simoncelli.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I hav'nt seen the race but it sounds like the two biggest crybabies when it comes to rough riding have suddenly unhitched their panties...pity it was to late.

God I miss Simoncelli.

You got it Bro! Old Mr *I was banned a few years ago for dirty riding* Lorenzo once again tried to run others into the dirt but still lost.

Waaaaaaaaaa.....

So do I.

[denill]

I lost respect for Rossi (Not as a rider) after this exchange occurred in 2010:

But Rossi says it is hard to judge the potential of the Ducati because Stoner does not ride the machine to its limits.
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=7961917

And if Rossi's 2014 results do not equal or better his abject 2013 result that would be another plastering of egg on the face. <_<

[actungbaby]

[QUOTE=Crasherfromwayback;1130636509]Yep. Even when the goalposts have their hand brakes on Rossi can no longer hack it. Time to fuck off rather than sack your long serving (suffering?) crew chief. Perhaps the King of mind games got his head fucked in when he thought he was better than Stoner and got shown up to be nowhere near as good eh? Think the quote went something like this (after Stoner got third was it? at Assen?)

"We don't know how good the Ducati is as maybe Stoner isn't trying"

Lololololololololollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll oooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllllll

Fail.

Rossi to Yamaha..."It's Lorenzo or me!!!!!"


Wasint Lorenzo amazing in the last race him and dani having good old scrap

For me i just love his style soo smooth and used to say euro guys to tempermental

What ever meditation he does it works doesint it

And been honda fan all my biking life but who care i rekon he,s awsome .

[pritch]

From Yamaha:

"Sylvano Galbusera confirmed as crew chief of Valentino Rossi for 2014."

Gotta say that doesn't look like a miracle cure to me, but then I haven't got nine world championships. :whistle:

[actungbaby]

You got it Bro! Old Mr *I was banned a few years ago for dirty riding* Lorenzo once again tried to run others into the dirt but still lost.

Waaaaaaaaaa.....

So do I.

yeah but i think learnt big lesson when so tough on marco esp after his accident

cause you know didnt deserve it really was just him

I noticed big change after that which was good because u cant take back things sometimes.

Just goes to show there racing lessons then real life . life changing lessons

[actungbaby]

From Yamaha:

"Sylvano Galbusera confirmed as crew chief of Valentino Rossi for 2014."

Gotta say that doesn't look like a miracle cure to me, but then I haven't got nine world championships. :whistle:

sure jermey be welcome asset to alot of teams i rekon nicky going go well on production racer

cassey 0.3 slower on that bike dude can ride cant he .

[carbonhed]

[QUOTE=Crasherfromwayback;1130636509]Yep. Even when the goalposts have their hand brakes on Rossi can no longer hack it. Time to fuck off rather than sack your long serving (suffering?) crew chief. Perhaps the King of mind games got his head fucked in when he thought he was better than Stoner and got shown up to be nowhere near as good eh? Think the quote went something like this (after Stoner got third was it? at Assen?)

"We don't know how good the Ducati is as maybe Stoner isn't trying"

Lololololololololollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll oooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllllll

Fail.

Rossi to Yamaha..."It's Lorenzo or me!!!!!"


Wasint Lorenzo amazing in the last race him and dani having good old scrap

For me i just love his style soo smooth and used to say euro guys to tempermental

What ever meditation he does it works doesint it

And been honda fan all my biking life but who care i rekon he,s awsome .

Not often someone loses the world championship but goes up in most peoples estimation. Hats off to MM though... taken it to another level and will only get better. Yamaha better deliver a really good package next year.

[Reckless]

Best race I've seen in a very looong time. It had strategy, drama, aggression and skill.

well the season for me it was :

Fastest rider & world Champion = MM
Best rider for this season = Lorenzo
Hardest trier = Pedrosa
Faded over the season = Crutchlow
Disappointment: shoulda been there to help his team mate = Rossi

Congrats to MM!!! I started the season not liking the little shit but respect where its due.
He studied, learnt, banged Fairings and won the championship.

Lorenzo if it wasn't for the Yammy not being quite as good as the Honda by 1%? who knows??

Pedro the fastest rider to never win a world moto gp title, just not enough mongrel.

I'm a Rossi fan and in my mind hes still the goat as of now (until MM record surpasses his 9 wins)
But I cant help being really disappointed for Lorenzo because of Rossi.

Stoner's name keeps popping up but I don't think he can match it with MM.
I think you'd find him wanting especially in the Passion and mental dept.
That's gonna fire Crasher up but I reckon he quit in his last season when things didn't go his way.

4 points in it! Great season!

Next season more of the same. Another Two make championship.
Ducati are doing more damage than good to their brand atm.

2015 with Suzuki and Aprilia in it will be even better!

Just my 2c and I dont give a flying fuck what the records books do or dont say LMAO :brick:

[Crasherfromwayback]

[QUOTE=Reckless;1130636979]Stoner's name keeps popping up but I don't think he can match it with MM.
I think you'd find him wanting especially in the Passion and mental dept.
That's gonna fire Crasher up but I reckon he quit in his last season when things didn't go his way.

QUOTE]

Mate...to be honest...I couldn't give a shit. I'd love to see MM and Stoner race each other, but also realise it ain't gonna happen. Long live the new KING!

[bogan]

Yeh bloody good race, I enjoying seeing lorenzo doing a bit of tactics and mixing it up a bit. Really good outcome to the season imo. bring on 2014 season, though its a shame the BBC guys are getting the axe.

[Brian d marge]

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MMs bike at work today ( close up of the tyre temp sensor and frame )

Stephen

[Drew]

I felt bad for Dani in that race. Was flat out bullying from Lorenzo, was clear he didn't have the line or the position. Dani had the speed to win the race I think.

A great season, that kept us guessing. (Except Pete who knew the whole time).

[Dave-]

MMs bike at work today ( close up of the tyre temp sensor and frame )

Stephen

Cheers dude, those are some cool beans!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I felt bad for Dani in that race. Was flat out bullying from Lorenzo, was clear he didn't have the line or the position. Dani had the speed to win the race I think.

A great season, that kept us guessing. (Except Pete who knew the whole time).

Yeah I think anyone that rarkes up MM for dirty riding can now shut the fuck up. 2014 season can't start soon enough.

[Reckless]

Yeah I think anyone that rarkes up MM for dirty riding can now shut the fuck up. 2014 season can't start soon enough.

I agree that move where Lorenzo put Danni off the track was abit rough :(

Wat did he get for it from the officials anyone know?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I agree that move where Lorenzo out Danni off the track was abit rough :(

Wat did he get for it from the officials anyone know?

Not sure mate. But next time he winges like a girl over any of MM's moves he should be told to fuck up.

[roogazza]

Haven't seen it mentioned here yet so :

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Nov/131111jerrygotwhacke.htm

[pritch]

Wat did he get for it from the officials anyone know?

He got a warning. Was no good giving him points as any points are cleared at the end of the season.

There is a time and place for hard passes, second lap is stupid but last corner last lap is a given. That whole race was last ditch effort for JL. Still, he needs to behave for a while now.

[roogazza]

He got a warning. Was no good giving him points as any points are cleared at the end of the season.
There is a time and place for hard passes, second lap is stupid but last corner last lap is a given. That whole race was last ditch effort for JL. Still, he needs to behave for a while now.

If anyone wants to be champ next year, they're going to have to ride like that all year to beat "The Joker".

[denill]

If anyone wants to be champ next year, they're going to have to ride like that all year to beat "The Joker".

And that's a fact Gaz. JL raised the stakes and MM will be luvin it. We know he can play that game! Gunna make it interesting - so long as no one gets hurt. :shifty:

[Oscar]

He got a warning. Was no good giving him points as any points are cleared at the end of the season.

There is a time and place for hard passes, second lap is stupid but last corner last lap is a given. That whole race was last ditch effort for JL. Still, he needs to behave for a while now.

MM was one incident away from starting at the back of the grid.
I guess his points are zero'd now.

[Oscar]

I always knew certain Kiwi's were instrumental in MotoGP, just didn't realise so many of them posted in this thread.

This thread was pointed out to the Race Director once.
He laughed.

[Crasherfromwayback]

This thread was pointed out to the Race Director once.
He laughed.

We laugh at a few things they do from time to time too mate!

[HenryDorsetCase]

hilarity. I have the race on my PVR (yay Sommet) and after a WHOLE YEAR of not reporting it, I was sitting on the couch yesterday and the Radio NZ sports news comes on and after the usual bullshit about eggball and whatnot (cricket I think) the guy goes "and Marc Marquez is the world champion" and I was so angry because I was going to avoid spoilers and shit all day and get a surprise when I watched it last night. Instead the taxpayer funded jerks fucked it up for me. Disappoint.

[Oscar]

hilarity. I have the race on my PVR (yay Sommet) and after a WHOLE YEAR of not reporting it, I was sitting on the couch yesterday and the Radio NZ sports news comes on and after the usual bullshit about eggball and whatnot (cricket I think) the guy goes "and Marc Marquez is the world champion" and I was so angry because I was going to avoid spoilers and shit all day and get a surprise when I watched it last night. Instead the taxpayer funded jerks fucked it up for me. Disappoint.

+1,000,000

I was driving to werk and it was on RNZ.
Bastids.

[Dave-]

hilarity. I have the race on my PVR (yay Sommet) and after a WHOLE YEAR of not reporting it, I was sitting on the couch yesterday and the Radio NZ sports news comes on and after the usual bullshit about eggball and whatnot (cricket I think) the guy goes "and Marc Marquez is the world champion" and I was so angry because I was going to avoid spoilers and shit all day and get a surprise when I watched it last night. Instead the taxpayer funded jerks fucked it up for me. Disappoint.

We had a group getting together on monday nights to watch the race all season.

I had to delete NZ moto, motogp and race supplies from my facie to do this.

[roogazza]

+1,000,000
I was driving to werk and it was on RNZ.
Bastids.
You work Oscar ???
What's it like,must be a bastard ? :laugh::msn-wink:

[Oscar]

You work Oscar ???
What's it like,must be a bastard ? :laugh::msn-wink:

I should have said "going to my place of employment"..

[pritch]

I should have said "going to my place of employment"..

Yeah, I used to have one of those too.

Then the thought occurred, why work when you can ride? :devil2:

[speights_bud]

Not sure what round its from but just stumbled across this pic: "Marquez in flight"

[Cam_Valk]

Laguna Seca, Turn 1 (I think)

Scott Jones snapped this pic, theres a writeup somewhere on the internet on it ...

[BMWST?]

Laguna Seca, Turn 1 (I think)

Scott Jones snapped this pic, theres a writeup somewhere on the internet on it ...

Scott Jones usually puts some words to his pics,i subscribe to his newsletters

[Crasherfromwayback]

Laguna Seca, Turn 1 (I think)

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Be doing well to get any air through turn 1 at Laguna.

[Cam_Valk]

Great writeup:

http://motomatters.com/blog/2013/10/02/photographer_s_blog_the_first_in_flight_.html

[Crasherfromwayback]

Great writeup:

http://motomatters.com/blog/2013/10/02/photographer_s_blog_the_first_in_flight_.html

Ahhhhh I see! The kink on the front straight is referred to as turn 1! My bad. I thought turn 2 at the end of the pit straight was turn 1! Edit:...there's still something not quite right 'bout that pic! I can't recall there being any greenery round that area! Certainly not that close I don't think. And it'd be behind a fence I would've thought?

[Mental Trousers]

Scroll down that article a bit, the greenery is a tree in the background well back from the track. It's insane cos you've got Pedrosa on a GP bike with trees and power poles in the background. From that shot it feels more like a street race than a permanent track.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Scroll down that article a bit, the greenery is a tree in the background well back from the track. It's insane cos you've got Pedrosa on a GP bike with trees and power poles in the background. From that shot it feels more like a street race than a permanent track.

Duh Peter! Now that makes sense!

[HenryDorsetCase]

I hadn't seen that site before so thanks to whoever linked it.

[roogazza]

Just cos it's a great shot of this years champ.
291502

[denill]

Just cos it's a great shot of this years champ.
291502

Gotta say, although we criticised Dorna for shoehorning MM into the works team, it would have been a much different season if they hadn't...................

[BMWST?]

Gotta say, although we criticised Dorna for shoehorning MM into the works team, it would have been a much different season if they hadn't...................

dunno woulda been very interesting(knowing what we know now) seeing him on a satelite bike,woulda been some bloody good battles with VR CC etc,and he woulda podiumed a lot .

[merv]

Chances are if he'd had to be in a satellite team I imagine HRC would have made sure his bike was quick anyway. What a dumb rule though, there are so many rules now. Not like when Kenny Roberts could just front up and win the championship on his first try to and probably just had to have an international race licence(and a fast bike).

From a pure racing point of view it is a shame that people can't just have a try like in the past, we don't see any Kim Newcombe's any more or Ginger Molly's or Keith Turner's able to give it ago. Its all the hand of promoters with the big money go round because all said and done the riders make a job out of it now and the top ones get paid a lot.

[Bender]

From a pure racing point of view it is a shame that people can't just have a try like in the past, we don't see any Kim Newcombe's any more or Ginger Molly's or Keith Turner's able to give it ago. Its all the hand of promoters with the big money go round because all said and done the riders make a job out of it now and the top ones get paid a lot.


While I agree with you in principle, the reality is that it's all about big money now... really really big money. Honda outspends everyone and they get the results. Imagine where Yamaha would be without Jorge, bumbling round in fourth or fifth with Valentino and Cal as their star riders? You'd have to think the signing of Jorge was genius because few people would have guessed he could lift his game to such a high level.

The gifted amateur - the likes of Newcome, Molloy, Turner, etc has no place in the modern game, more's the pity. That's sort of what CRT could have become, but even those bikes are seriously expensive and no match at all for the prototypes. Newcome, Molloy, Turner (and others) were competitive, but the game has moved on and left that sort of person behind.

[husaberg]

While I agree with you in principle, the reality is that it's all about big money now... really really big money. Honda outspends everyone and they get the results. Imagine where Yamaha would be without Jorge, bumbling round in fourth or fifth with Valentino and Cal as their star riders? You'd have to think the signing of Jorge was genius because few people would have guessed he could lift his game to such a high level.

The gifted amateur - the likes of Newcome, Molloy, Turner, etc has no place in the modern game, more's the pity. That's sort of what CRT could have become, but even those bikes are seriously expensive and no match at all for the prototypes. Newcome, Molloy, Turner (and others) were competitive, but the game has moved on and left that sort of person behind.

i could be wrong but the last of the Grit and get there privateers was likely Wayne Gardner, Richard Scott got there to only for the carpet to be pulled out when Honda Britain collapsed..........long time ago.... could be wrong though.......

[Crasherfromwayback]

The gifted amateur - the likes of Newcome, Molloy, Turner, etc has no place in the modern game, more's the pity. That's sort of what CRT could have become, but even those bikes are seriously expensive and no match at all for the prototypes. Newcome, Molloy, Turner (and others) were competitive, but the game has moved on and left that sort of person behind.

That could be changed if we had the class full of TZ750's again. (The modern version of of course).

[Bender]

Funny you should say that CFWB because that's exactly what I was thinking when I wrote that last post. Hence my note about the CRT bikes. But I can't see how it would work. The gifted amateur is still going to need mega-millions to compete and even then they couldn't run with the hand-built factory specials.

World superbikes is sort of heading in that direction, with the new rules pushing (back) towards more production orientated bikes.

That would be where the gifted amateur would aim to compete because theoretically, you could buy a bike and bolt all the bits on, add some innovation and be up there. World superbikes could be a really exciting championship if managed properly. It's going to be interesting to see where Dorna takes it, and how it stacks up, in a few years time.