The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[Banditbandit]

Blue rider broached the subject in the above post so I asked the question.

How do you get people to comply. Now I am not talking about Turkey and the government over reaction to a protest, I'm meaning things like the the occupy and general day to day stuff.

And stop using big words, you know i have to Google them.:eek5:

Ok ... Large societies always need police forces (much as I don't even want a state, human nature is human nature) ... the question becomes how do you have laws and police forces that allow the maximum freedom while maintaining the security and safety of the citizens?

This is not an easy question to answer ... and different people wil have different views .. especially over how much freedom is acceptable or how little freedom is acceptable ... This is one of the fundamental left/right splits ... the left want more freedom while the right are usually more in favour of safety and security. (Except the libertarians who value freedom over safety and security - usually because they are prepared to look after that themselves and not rely on the state .. I do kind of share that perspective - I'm armed and prepared to fire if needed) ..

In New Zealand we do have a pretty good system .. we have a generally reliable police force that does do good work - sometimes they stuff up - Arthur Allan Thomas, Stephen Wallace, Kim.Com - and so they do need public scrutiny to keep then up to the mark ..

Unfortunately, that public scrutiny means the liberals get to comment .. and as I said above, the different perceptions of enforcement vs freedom, or the different opinions means there will be argument about police actions ... I don't see that as a bad thing ... rather I see that as a good thing .. and I think that the police force in New Zealand has the majority support of the citizens ... The only problem will arise if the majority of the citizens remove their support from the New Zealand police ...

I certainly support what they do and I think they do a very hard job really well .. occassionally I think they stuff up .. like shooting Stephen Wallace ... but then I think that the recent shooting in New Plymouth was spot on ... My only questions are: how come the armed offender yelled threats at police and fired his gun then yelled threats again .. How come he got a chance to yell threats a second time? and How come he was still conscious when the ambulance arrived? The police need to get more target practice ..

(And I'm not sorry about the big words ... can I offer you a place on an education programme?)

[BoristheBiter]

Ok ... Large societies always need police forces (much as I don't even weant a state, human nature is human nature) ... the question becomes how do you have laws and police forces that allow the maximum freedom while maintaining the security and safety of the citizens?

This is not an easy question to answer ... and different people wil have different views .. especially over how much freedom is acceptable or how little freedom is acceptable ... This is one of the fundamental left/right splits ... the left want more freedom while the right are usually more in favour of safetry and security. (Except the libertarians who value freedom over safety and security - usually because they are prepared to look after that themselves and not rely on the state .. I do kind of share that perspective - I'm armed and prepared to fire if needed) ..

In New Zealand we do have a pretty good system .. we have a generally reliable police force that does do good work - sometimes they stuff up - Arthur Allan Thomas, Stephen Wallace, Kim.Com) and so they do need public scrutiny to keep then up to the mark ..

Unfortunately, that public scrutiny means the liberals get to comment .. and as I said above, the different perceptions of enforcement vs freedom, or the different opinions means there will be argument about police actions ... I don't see that as a bad thing ... rathrer I see that as a good thing .. and I think that the police force in New Zealand has the majority support of the citizens ... The only problem will arise if the majority of the citizens remove their support from the New Zealand police ...

I certainly support what they do and I think they do a very hard job really well .. occassionally I think they stuiff up .. like shooting Stephen Wallace ... but then I think that the recent shooting in New Plymouth was spot on ... My only questions are: how come the armed offender yelled threates at police and fired his gun then yelled threats again .. How come he got a chance to yell threats a second time? and How come he was still conscious when the ambulance arrived? The police need to get more target practice ..

(And I'm not sorry about the big words ... can I offer you a place on an education programme?)

Great post bling sent and don't worry about me I only need big words when on KB

That really is the way i see things as like you say you can't keep everyone happy.

I'm basically a typical left/right fence sitter, as much freedom but fuck up and you're history.
I even agree with libertarians to a point but as the line goes you can have your freedom but don't let it interfere with mine.

a few things I disagree with (wouldn't be KB if i didn't) Stephen Wallace, the cop was right in shooting him (if someone was advancing on me with a golf club and bat i would have shot him earlier), New Plymouth they didn't shoot because of the Stephen Wallace shooting.

A per police SOP after he fired the gun he was no longer a threat so lethal force was not allowed until he went to reload and that was when he was shot (they did try and tazer him first) and they can't get more target practice as there is not enough budget for the bullets.

[Brian d marge]

Now who is being naive?


Respect starts in the home from when you are born. It has nothing to do with the state.
Pre coffee ,

The state Does cause the "look, makeup "of society ,

by demonizing , labeling sections of society and assisting or not assisting those groups

As I have said in MANY times , read the book "five families a mexican case study" to understand how the the arse end of society works

IF you are lucky to be born into a family that while being at the arse end , understands "white western puritan values" yes they will have a fighting chance of fitting into the society you and I are used to

As for the "middle classes , if I was a pollitician , I would run a few focus groups , find out what the largest voting block want , then spout those lines until I was voting in ,,,then change my policies , Aka , Clinton , Blair and quite a few others

Stephen

an old frog said " a man is born free but everywhere he is in chains " then went on to explain that we are "free" under or in the general will of the people and defined by law ,,,how Much freedom the law allows is the down to the general will or something like that

[BoristheBiter]

Pre coffee ,

The state Does cause the "look, makeup "of society ,

by demonizing , labeling sections of society and assisting or not assisting those groups

As I have said in MANY times , read the book "five families a mexican case study" to understand how the the arse end of society works

IF you are lucky to be born into a family that while being at the arse end , understands "white western puritan values" yes they will have a fighting chance of fitting into the society you and I are used to

As for the "middle classes , if I was a pollitician , I would run a few focus groups , find out what the largest voting block want , then spout those lines until I was voting in ,,,then change my policies , Aka , Clinton , Blair and quite a few others

Stephen

an old frog said " a man is born free but everywhere he is in chains " then went on to explain that we are "free" under or in the general will of the people and defined by law ,,,how Much freedom the law allows is the down to the general will or something like that

Sorry mate go, go have a coffee and come back.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I certainly support what they do and I think they do a very hard job really well .. occassionally I think they stuff up .. like shooting Stephen Wallace ... but then I think that the recent shooting in New Plymouth was spot on ... My only questions are: how come the armed offender yelled threats at police and fired his gun then yelled threats again .. How come he got a chance to yell threats a second time? and How come he was still conscious when the ambulance arrived? The police need to get more target practice ..


I dont agree that Keith Abbott shooting Wallace was a mistake. He advanced on an armed po lice and didnt stand down. Fuck him.

Re the guy earlier this week I think that the po po knew fairly early on who the punter was and what his deal was and that he wasn't likely to be any real danger to anyone. Speculation of course.

[Banditbandit]

a few things I disagree with (wouldn't be KB if i didn't) Stephen Wallace, the cop was right in shooting him (if someone was advancing on me with a golf club and bat i would have shot him earlier), New Plymouth they didn't shoot because of the Stephen Wallace shooting.

See .. this is why this discussion is necessary - but also acknowledging that we will never reach agreement.

But do I think the cop who pulled the trigger was at fault enough to be charged or discplined? Hell no .. an armed man was advancing on him .. he feared for his life (and the lives of others) and he pulled the trigger .. could he have made a better decision? Yes - but he should not be punished or villified for being human ...


A per police SOP after he fired the gun he was no longer a threat so lethal force was not allowed until he went to reload and that was when he was shot (they did try and tazer him first)

I wouldn't have waited for a reload .. how do you know he had a single shot? The prick threatened police and then pulled the trigger .. I would have shot him then ... (and bugger the tazer ... )



and they can't get more target practice as there is not enough budget for the bullets.

Budget be buggered - the cops miss more than they hit ... and in Auckland not so long ago a bad police miss hit and killed an innocent bystander ... THat should not be happening because of "budget pressure" ...


I dont agree that Keith Abbott shooting Wallace was a mistake. He advanced on an armed po lice and didnt stand down. Fuck him.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing - I think Abbott could have made a better decision ... but I am not going to second guess him as an armed man was advancing and threatening him ... Give him some counselling, some training and give him his gun back ... I would rather have an armed officer prepared to use a weapon on the streets than a wimp who thought too long .. Abbott has proven he is prepared tro shoot in defense of himself and other people ...


Re the guy earlier this week I think that the po po knew fairly early on who the punter was and what his deal was and that he wasn't likely to be any real danger to anyone. Speculation of course.


Yeah - possibly ... but an armed man who had already fired a shot? I would want him dead before he had a chance to think again ... The killing was justified ..

[avgas]

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/06/18/our-digital-strip-search/

Over the last ten years, government funding for the SIS increased by 250% to $41 million in 2012. It employs the equivalent of 232 full time staff. Not to be outdone, the GCSB increased its full time staff to 294, with funding increasing by 174% over the same period of time to $63 million in 2012.

Really?!
What did they spend the money on. My systems have been monitoring stuff for decades for and cost 1/100th that.
Now I am not so concerned, if they can't monitor their own expenditure and find more efficient systems.........I very much doubt they could find the Kaitaia let alone me.

[Brian d marge]

Sorry mate go, go have a coffee and come back.
have and back and the above still stands
It wasn't my opinion rather than some well educated others

Them the fact whether you agree with them or not

Stephen

[BoristheBiter]

See .. this is why his discussionis necessary - but also acknoweldging that we will never reach agreement.

But do I think the cop who pulled the trigger was at fault enough to be charged or discplined? Hell no .. an armed man was advancing on him .. he feared for his life (and the lives of others) and he pulled the trigger .. could he have made a better decision? Yes - but he should not be punished or villified for being human ...

I wouldn't have waited for a reload .. how do you know he had a single shot? The prick threatened police and then pulled the trigger .. I would have shot him then ... (and bugger the tazer ... )

.

We just agreed, (i wont tell you if you don't).:wacko:

[scissorhands]

Show me one aspect of where the state is not showing what parents need where children are concerned.

And you still haven't answered my question "So how would you enforce compliance?"

Excess sugar, excess carbs
classrooms not conducive for introverts
programmed with violence via media
harmful medications
bullying culture in schools and workplaces
.........
I could make a very long long list.....


Compliance enforcement is fine, except for the understanding of mental illness and to who is at fault or responsible for making a nut job,
THEY ARE CREATED!! parents and state share responsibility
otherwise, keep up the good work fellas
I even support harder punishments when credit is due

But ostracising then isolating someone into a lonely existence, due to neurology, humiliating them in the media, then wondering why they snap is a no brainer

Well for some anyhoos:crazy:

School shootings in the USA are the outcome of the bullied who snap
All those innocent deaths are on the hands of a health system that lets down its most vulnerable citizens, and creates a school environment where bullying is not addressed.

Youtube 'bullycide in schools' as most of the sufferers take their own lives. Its a pretty sobering watch

[oneofsix]

Now who is being naive?

Sorry it was BB that said that.

Respect starts in the home from when you are born. It has nothing to do with the state.

Respect for your parents, yes. Respect for the state? maybe initially. Respect is earned not demanded. Different people automatically get given different levels of respect depending on prejudices and then they earn more or diminish what they have by their own actions. The :Police: used to get a higher level of automatic or initial respect when I was a kid than they do now and a lot of that would be more people having to deal with them in negative circumstances like traffic offences. Respect for politicians has really dived since those days but that would be due to more information being available on what they really get up to.

[Brian d marge]

Leftists are among the first to speak of their rights

Stephen

[BoristheBiter]

Excess sugar, excess carbs
classrooms not conducive for introverts
programmed with violence via media
harmful medications
bullying culture in schools and workplaces
.........
I could make a very long long list.....

And you would still be wrong. if this was the case, why does it not effect everyone? and why is this the states fault?


Compliance enforcement is fine, except for the understanding of mental illness and to who is at fault or responsible for making a nut job,
THEY ARE CREATED!! parents and state share responsibility
otherwise, keep up the good work fellas
I even support harder punishments when credit is due

But ostracising then isolating someone into a lonely existence, due to neurology, humiliating them in the media, then wondering why they snap is a no brainer

Well for some anyhoos:crazy:

School shootings in the USA are the outcome of the bullied who snap
All those innocent deaths are on the hands of a health system that lets down its most vulnerable citizens, and creates a school environment where bullying is not addressed.

Youtube 'bullycide in schools' as most of the sufferers take their own lives. Its a pretty sobering watch

I think you might have a slightly twisted look at things. not all bad things people do is because they are "nut jobs" and very little is to do with the state, yes they might miss the signs but before people "snap" the state has it's hands tied.
The state moved most IHC people into the community because the wider public did not want them "in care" as they were not the best places for them.

Some people will have a predisposition to do certain things a certain way but to blame it on the state is just grasping at too many straws.

[scissorhands]

Your right, the state is faultless:brick:

[BoristheBiter]

Respect for your parents, yes. Respect for the state? maybe initially. Respect is earned not demanded. Different people automatically get given different levels of respect depending on prejudices and then they earn more or diminish what they have by their own actions. The :Police: used to get a higher level of automatic or initial respect when I was a kid than they do now and a lot of that would be more people having to deal with them in negative circumstances like traffic offences. Respect for politicians has really dived since those days but that would be due to more information being available on what they really get up to.

Why not just respect for someone else?

I respect everyone until proven otherwise. Yes I might have a predisposed idea of what someone will be like, doesn't mean I won't show them respect.

So because you have been given a ticket or disapprove of the road safety campaign you have no respect for the police.
You say you have lost respect with the police because of the negative things you have seen, imagine what they think about as they deal with negative all the time.

[Banditbandit]

Leftists are among the first to speak of their rights

Stephen

I'm probaby further left than you can imagine ,.. but I NEVER speak of "rights" .. they are bullshit and don't exist .. people only have what they fight for ... "rights" are just a legal fiction for fighting in court rooms .. but they are only sustained if people are prepared to pick uop the gun and fight for them (which means that you don't have them "by right" only by force ... so they are not "rights")

[scissorhands]

so a child with no force has no rights?:whistle:
might is right?

[BoristheBiter]

Your right, the state is faultless:brick:


Blaming the state for things like these...........

Excess sugar, excess carbs
classrooms not conducive for introverts
programmed with violence via media
harmful medications
bullying culture in schools and workplaces

........is just bollocks.
So what the state should ban all sugar, pasta, bread? ban all TV, movies, video games? ban all medication?
Man there isn't a big enough faceplam smiley for that.

The only thing I can say is the fault of the state is that we have been turned into an apologetic society where nothing is the fault of the individual but the fault of others.

[Banditbandit]

so a child with no force has no rights?:whistle:
might is right?

Yeah ... that's right ... a child has no rights ... there are no such thing - it is a fiction of the wimping liberals ... a social construct .... No person has any rights at all ... there is no truth or reality in that claim

You say "what about the right to life?" Well - tell me .. a person is drowning 10 miles of the coast .. what "right to life" can he claim ??? The universe doesn't give a fuck ... that person is dead ...

But yeah .. I will support people's "rights" in a court of law .. that's a confrontation with force and power then any tool (such as a "rights" argument) is good because it is useful - the argument has a use value because it can achieve something ..

So if you want to go to court and argue for "children's rights" go right ahead ... but then you are the one acting with some kind of power or force .. not the child ... Children are vulnerable and have no rights ... except what adutls grant them ...

So don't confuse truth with use value.

[Banditbandit]

I think you might have a slightly twisted look at things. not all bad things people do is because they are "nut jobs" and very little is to do with the state, yes they might miss the signs but before people "snap" the state has it's hands tied.


Once people have "snapped" it's too late ... intervention needs to happen before they "snap" .. the trick is spotting it coming and then intervening .. fucking hard sometimes .. fucking hard most of the time


The state moved most IHC people into the community because the wider public did not want them "in care" as they were not the best places for them.

That is not correct for everyone - there are some people who benefit from some sort of long term care, even institutional care - they simply will not function or survive in mainstream ... the one size fits all solution is usually wrong. In this case "the community" was wrong

[BoristheBiter]

Once people have "snapped" it's too late ... intervention needs to happen before they "snap" .. the trick is spotting it coming and then intervening .. fucking hard sometimes .. fucking hard most of the time



That is not correct for everyone - there are some people who benefit from some sort of long term care, even institutional care - they simply will not function or survive in mainstream ... the one size fits all solution is usually wrong. In this case "the community" was wrong

The problem it they haven't done anything wrong so how can you come down hard on them?

Yep the community was wrong, it was what they wanted then blamed TPTB when it went tits up for not caring.
Like the first point "dammed if you do dammed if you don't"

[Banditbandit]

The problem it they haven't done anything wrong so how can you come down hard on them?



You don't need to "come down hard on them" - you do need some sort of intervention ..

[oneofsix]

Why not just respect for someone else?

I respect everyone until proven otherwise. Yes I might have a predisposed idea of what someone will be like, doesn't mean I won't show them respect.

So because you have been given a ticket or disapprove of the road safety campaign you have no respect for the police.
You say you have lost respect with the police because of the negative things you have seen, imagine what they think about as they deal with negative all the time.

I didn't say I had personally, it was a generalised statement but you seem to have agreed with what I said about levels of respect. :nya:

[Scuba_Steve]

Blaming the state for things like these...........

Excess sugar, excess carbs
classrooms not conducive for introverts
programmed with violence via media
harmful medications
bullying culture in schools and workplaces

........is just bollocks.
So what the state should ban all sugar, pasta, bread? ban all TV, movies, video games? ban all medication?
Man there isn't a big enough faceplam smiley for that.

The only thing I can say is the fault of the state is that we have been turned into an apologetic society where nothing is the fault of the individual but the fault of others.


This might be the most intelligent thing I've ever seen you write, I'm in agreeance with you here especially the last sentence (tho the meds thing is iffy, the state does approve these things)

[mashman]

Blaming the state for things like these...........

Excess sugar, excess carbs
classrooms not conducive for introverts
programmed with violence via media
harmful medications
bullying culture in schools and workplaces

........is just bollocks.
So what the state should ban all sugar, pasta, bread? ban all TV, movies, video games? ban all medication?
Man there isn't a big enough faceplam smiley for that.

The only thing I can say is the fault of the state is that we have been turned into an apologetic society where nothing is the fault of the individual but the fault of others.


This might be the most intelligent thing I've ever seen you write, I'm in agreeance with you here especially the last sentence (tho the meds thing is iffy, the state does approve these things)

No Steve, no, come back towards the lights, moronville doesn't need you.

Given that the state decides what is allowed into the country and what isn't, they are directly responsible for allowing in high sugared shit etc...
Given that there are introverts that can be easily "detected", why is there no provision for teaching them? Get the fuck on with it doesn't do the kid any good.
Hmmmmm, the media, good on them for giving us entertainment whilst they fuck us over.
Medications are not tailored to the user and one size fits all can kill and/or maim.
Similar to the introverts, there's less and less provision for dealing with the future business leaders and politicians.

The state should be the facility's department of the people and as such should be minimising harm which may well include getting producers to lower the limit of sugar in things, keep certain channels violence/sex free, have a better healthcare system that tailored for the individual.

Yes the individual has a huge amount to do with it and yes you are a bunch of mentally pathetic apologetic morons, you can't help but notice who the govt panders too. Voters insert largest facepalm ever. You get the society you pay and vote for.

[gwigs]

Where has GCSB thought police wanker gone ?
Lots of threats , I think he or she is a National supporter.
Spies dont tell you when they are spying on you..
Oh Im. frightened he might get me for this as I am a member
of the KB horticultural society.
Bring it on GCSB national party homo...

[mashman]

Where has GCSB thought police wanker gone ?
Lots of threats , I think he or she is a National supporter.
Spies dont tell you when they are spying on you..
Oh Im. frightened he might get me for this as I am a member
of the KB horticultural society.
Bring it on GCSB national party homo...

Whew, at least he's not just watching me :)

[BoristheBiter]

more bollocks spouted by some messiah complex ridden twat.

why when a normal decent discussion is happening do you turn up with your inane prattle?

[BoristheBiter]

This might be the most intelligent thing I've ever seen you write, I'm in agreeance with you here especially the last sentence (tho the meds thing is iffy, the state does approve these things)

I know it wont last long. (she my reply at mashy)

The meds one is a hard one. some meds are are gods send to some and killers to others. It again comes down to the individual and how well they communicate with their doctor.
The state look more at the cost to benefit ratio.

[mashman]

why when a normal decent discussion is happening do you turn up with your inane prattle?

Just responding in kind to those who can't think, perhaps can't is bit steep but I'll stick with it, one single step beyond that which they believe that they know. Definitive answers on a subject that has so many parameters and variables only yield inane prattle. You started it.

[scissorhands]

I know it wont last long. (she my reply at mashy)

The meds one is a hard one. some meds are are gods send to some and killers to others. It again comes down to the individual and how well they communicate with their doctor.
The state look more at the cost to benefit ratio.

blaming medical misadventure on the patient is fucking low and dishonest
common citizen psychopath is the verdict

[blue rider]

Blue rider broached the subject in the above post so I asked the question.

How do you get people to comply. Now I am not talking about Turkey and the government over reaction to a protest, I'm meaning things like the the occupy and general day to day stuff.

And stop using big words, you know i have to Google them.:eek5:


a quite simple example that you should be able to relate to.

the law states that 100 kms/hr is maximum speed on open roads unless otherwise indicated.

if you drive above 100 kms/hr you will get a fine when caught by a cop.

if you do not like fines, you will comply and only ever ride/drive the indicated and legal speed limit.

fines, warrants and finally prison terms are the means to keep the citizenry in their place....and the cops are the once enforcing the "laws of the land'.

[BoristheBiter]

blaming medical misadventure on the patient is fucking low and dishonest
common citizen psychopath is the verdict

Really where have i blamed anyone? I think that is your domain not mine.
And now you are saying it'd misadventure, man too many straws. you work in media don't you.

Take penicillin, to some it is a wonder drug some it will kill, do we stop giving it to everyone? how do people know they will react to it before they take it.
Methotrexate, (it's a drug for arthritis and cancer) the side effects can be massive, or to a lot of people it is a wonder drug that stops pain and the degenerative effects on joints and have no side effects.. It is up to the patient to relate to the doctor what side effects they are having so they can advise accordingly.

But I get it, you think all bad things are someone else's fault.



a quite simple example that you should be able to relate to.

the law states that 100 kms/hr is maximum speed on open roads unless otherwise indicated.

if you drive above 100 kms/hr you will get a fine when caught by a cop.

if you do not like fines, you will comply and only ever ride/drive the indicated and legal speed limit.

fines, warrants and finally prison terms are the means to keep the citizenry in their place....and the cops are the once enforcing the "laws of the land'.

So what would you do with the ones that just don't comply, like the occupy movement?
The ones that run up $$$$$ in fines just to go to court and have them wiped or that guy that killed 4 people (in different crashes) while drunk.

If we don't have the laws in place what will it be like?
If we don't give the police the tools to back them up what are we saying to those that don't comply?

[avgas]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

the state did not provide for me

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[blue rider]

Really where have i blamed anyone? I think that is your domain not mine.
And now you are saying it'd misadventure, man too many straws. you work in media don't you.

Take penicillin, to some it is a wonder drug some it will kill, do we stop giving it to everyone? how do people know they will react to it before they take it.
Methotrexate, (it's a drug for arthritis and cancer) the side effects can be massive, or to a lot of people it is a wonder drug that stops pain and the degenerative effects on joints and have no side effects.. It is up to the patient to relate to the doctor what side effects they are having so they can advise accordingly.

But I get it, you think all bad things are someone else's fault.




So what would you do with the ones that just don't comply, like the occupy movement?
The ones that run up $$$$$ in fines just to go to court and have them wiped or that guy that killed 4 people (in different crashes) while drunk.

If we don't have the laws in place what will it be like?
If we don't give the police the tools to back them up what are we saying to those that don't comply?

I have no issues with demonstrations....you do. So basically i would do very little with any Occupier movement, considering that I actally believe that they have valid points. alas they are not rich enough to go for private tea with dear leader.

the guy that killed 4 people in different crashers should be locked up for manslaughter and eventually for premeditated murder considering that he knew he was going to kill again. Life without parole (if this is possible in NZ, but then I am german, and in germany he would have lost his lisences for ever after the first crash, and causing death t he would have ended up in prison for some time)

Laws can be used for the good and the bad, dear Boris.
In Nazi Germany it was very legal to lock up Lesbians, Homosexuals, Political Dissidents, German Jews and European Jews and ship them off to the Camps to be killed.
In Communist Germany it was legal to deprive children of Education because their Parents were considered not communist enough.

A cop spraying a peaceful demonstrator in the Face (as seen on TV and Newspaper and the Internet) is not upholding a law, that cop is enforcing compliance.....leave...now!

but you know all that, you are just some little troll who really believes that shit can't happen here, and if it does, valiantly you will submit fearing that compliance will be forced upon you.



As for you dumbass example of penicillin.....if you go to a doctor and you need an antibiotic you are asked if you have allergies. If you say yes....than they will give you something else. Penicillin...which effn century do you life in?

Mashed food for you only and always.

[GCSB Thought Police]

Where has GCSB thought police wanker gone ?
Lots of threats , I think he or she is a National supporter.
Spies dont tell you when they are spying on you..
Oh Im. frightened he might get me for this as I am a member
of the KB horticultural society.
Bring it on GCSB national party homo...

I'm still around. But I'm not a participant in this forum. I'm only an observer/watcher and occassionally I prod people. But I am busy watching quite a number of things, so I rely a lot on the automatic surveillance to pull up anything I need to check on. And it certainly will not be the GCSB that comes calling. We have passed on the information to the appropriate authorities - it is up to them to act.


Whew, at least he's not just watching me :)


Are you sure Gordon?

[avgas]

This might be the most intelligent thing I've ever seen you write, I'm in agreeance with you here especially the last sentence (tho the meds thing is iffy, the state does approve these things)
State also approves turpentine for personal use.
You want them to lock you up if you drink it? Or ban it from the shelves?

I take the approach that if the state approves something, doesn't mean its idiot proof. Its just really good population control.

[oneofsix]

I'm still around. But I'm not a participant in this forum. I'm only an observer/watcher and occassionally I prod people. But I am busy watching quite a number of things, so I rely a lot on the automatic surveillance to pull up anything I need to check on. And it certainly will not be the GCSB that comes calling. We have passed on the information to the appropriate authorities - it is up to them to act.




Are you sure Gordon?

I am having issues with one of my hard drives, can you send me your back-up?

[avgas]

We have passed on the information to the appropriate authorities - it is up to them to act.
bwahahahaha heard that before.
Be careful guys - the sloth is coming to get you.
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2742975744/hCECD5E7B/

[GCSB Thought Police]

I am having issues with one of my hard drives, can you send me your back-up?

No, I am sorry, but your mundane life had no interest to us, so we did not waste storage space on our server by copying your files.


bwahahahaha heard that before.
Be careful guys - the sloth is coming to get you.


Well, you know, our law enforcement people are rather busy with crimes at the moment. As well, much of the evidence we have collected will be vaild for quite some time now, so there is no urgency to make arrests. That is especially true with harvest time. We have found it best to wait till the crops are near grown. That way the weight of plant material seized is increased and the Crown lawyers can easily argue for longer sentences.

The law enforcement people may also be waiting for meetings, and deals, organised through this forum, to take place. That means they arrest both parties red-handed as it were.

[mashman]

Are you sure Gordon?

No I'm not HAL, but it would seem like a waste of resources.

[scissorhands]

No, I am sorry, but your mundane life had no interest to us, so we did not waste storage space on our server by copying your files.



Well, you know, our law enforcement people are rather busy with crimes at the moment. As well, much of the evidence we have collected will be vaild for quite some time now, so there is no urgency to make arrests. That is especially true with harvest time. We have found it best to wait till the crops are near grown. That way the weight of plant material seized is increased and the Crown lawyers can easily argue for longer sentences.

The law enforcement people may also be waiting for meetings, and deals, organised through this forum, to take place. That means they arrest both parties red-handed as it were.

your not very good at the secrecy thing are you?
bling bling lol
keep up the good work

[GCSB Thought Police]

your not very good at the secrecy thing are you?


Oh ? What ,akes you say that? I am sure that the evidence we have collected will be valid, enough if the offenders know that we hold this information.

As to the rest? Well, the offenders have no idea who we are, how we are watching them and what we already know. It is also the nature of offenders to repeat patterns of behaviour, so even if we do not catch them this time, we are watching them now and will catch them sometime in the future.

[mashman]

Are you sure Gordon?

Actually, having given that a little bit of thought, you've got absolutely nothing on me :D

[gwigs]

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Run like hell...

Dhurka Dhurka...

[gwigs]

Actually, having given that a little bit of thought, you've got absolutely nothing on me :D

Or me ..smoked all mine , got none left...:crybaby:

[mashman]

Or me ..smoked all mine , got none left...:crybaby:

heh... if all they have is oooo you're in possession of some grass or growing a plant, then as I said earlier, they have nothing. A slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket. I've got no secrets they can harm me with, just the usual character flaws (which are subjective at best). F- thought police, you must try harder.

[gwigs]

heh... if all they have is oooo you're in possession of some grass or growing a plant, then as I said earlier, they have nothing. A slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket. I've got no secrets they can harm me with, just the usual character flaws (which are subjective at best). F- thought police, you must try harder.

Yeah 007 should be watching us ....cause we are all subversive terrorists...
We shouldn,t have any thoughts that dont agree with the TPTB...
Dhurka Dhurka..

[mashman]

Yeah 007 should be watching us ....cause we are all subversive terrorists...
We shouldn,t have any thoughts that dont agree with the TPTB...
Dhurka Dhurka..

Well they must be pretty fuckin bored or in desperate need to justify their budget so that they can see us coming... which we are, if not slowly.

[gwigs]

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Bollocks spelled it wrong its Derka Derka...not good at Arabic.:killingme

[Banditbandit]

Bwhahahaha ... Big Brother is always watching ... but don't let it get to you ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyVZFJGX5g

[gwigs]

[QUOTE=Banditbandit;1130566478]Bwhahahaha ... Big Brother is always watching ... but don't let it get to you ...

I see you still have your head up your arse...dickhead:bs::tugger:

[gwigs]

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Bollocks...

[Banditbandit]

[QUOTE=Banditbandit;1130566478]Bwhahahaha ... Big Brother is always watching ... but don't let it get to you ...

I see you still have your head up your arse...dickhead:bs::tugger:

What ??? You don't think that big brother is always watching ??? .... I've known that for a long time ... it would be naive to think otherwise ... What you do about it is up to you .. I take some precautions - and I don't let it get to me ... I refuse to be paranoid

[gwigs]

[QUOTE=gwigs;1130566482]

What ??? You don't think that big brother is always watching ??? .... I've known that for a long time ... it would be naive to think otherwise ... What you do about it is up to you .. I take some precautions - and I don't let it get to me ... I refuse to be paranoid

Sorry I got it wrong...my apologies ...must be paranoid..:wacko:
Must not post when drinking....

[Brian d marge]

[QUOTE=Banditbandit;1130566492]

Sorry I got it wrong...my apologies ...must be paranoid..:wacko:
Must not post when drinking....

I often Email big brother , probably not a wise thing to do , I but I do like to say hi to those whose listen

Stephen

[gwigs]

[QUOTE=gwigs;1130566482]

What ??? You don't think that big brother is always watching ??? .... I've known that for a long time ... it would be naive to think otherwise ... What you do about it is up to you .. I take some precautions - and I don't let it get to me ... I refuse to be paranoid

Must engage brain before using fingers to post...Doh !
Sorry Man..I feel bad..:wacko:

[scissorhands]

[QUOTE=gwigs;1130566494]

I often Email big brother , probably not a wise thing to do , I but I do like to say hi to those whose listen

Stephen

Dear Dad, Jeez you can be a fuckwit sometimes, but I still love you cause your the only dad I have. Love Son

[gwigs]

[QUOTE=gwigs;1130566494]

I often Email big brother , probably not a wise thing to do , I but I do like to say hi to those whose listen

Stephen

Must take notice of Brian,s advice..dont post pissed..ever..

[mashman]

What ??? You don't think that big brother is always watching ??? .... I've known that for a long time ... it would be naive to think otherwise ... What you do about it is up to you .. I take some precautions - and I don't let it get to me ... I refuse to be paranoid

Wotcha worried about... if you've done nothing wrong you'll be sweet.

[Brian d marge]

[QUOTE=Brian d marge;1130566509]

Must take notice of Brian,s advice..dont post pissed..ever..

fk of

postin pissed is half the fun

btw its still morning here

Stephen

[gwigs]

Wotcha worried about... if you've done nothing wrong you'll be sweet.

Unless you are a government....but you can spin that to make you look good...
Money can create illusion.....
Do You know what the biggest brain washing machine is ...?...TV....
I used to belieive the USA was the nation looking after the world .
Yeah Right...Just a few words for 007..al queda..bomb ,911
george w bush ...Derka Derka.....Feel free to add....that will get 007 a hard on...

[Brian d marge]

Wotcha worried about... if you've done nothing wrong you'll be sweet.

thats right

If I drive at 100 I wont get pinged

hahahahahahahaaa

Stephen

[oneofsix]

Unless you are a government....but you can spin that to make you look good...
Money can create illusion.....
Do You know what the biggest brain washing machine is ...?...TV....
I used to belieive the USA was the nation looking after the world .
Yeah Right...Just a few words for 007..al queda..bomb ,911
george w bush ...Derka Derka.....Feel free to add....that will get 007 a hard on...

You need a dose of Team USA - Fuck Yeah

[mashman]

Unless you are a government....but you can spin that to make you look good...
Money can create illusion.....
Do You know what the biggest brain washing machine is ...?...TV....
I used to belieive the USA was the nation looking after the world .
Yeah Right...Just a few words for 007..al queda..bomb ,911
george w bush ...Derka Derka.....Feel free to add....that will get 007 a hard on...

Nah... the biggest brainwashing machine is the human being. They pass it on amongst themselves in little clans... TV just helps to reinforce their belief. They're everywhere. Arseholes.

[mashman]

Thoughtcrimetastic batman (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/ce2924d6-80ae-39c2-be46-d62d8c12be89/fbi-arrests-2-men-for-plot-to-kill-president/)

[avgas]

Well, you know, our law enforcement people are rather busy with crimes at the moment. As well, much of the evidence we have collected will be vaild for quite some time now, so there is no urgency to make arrests. That is especially true with harvest time. We have found it best to wait till the crops are near grown. That way the weight of plant material seized is increased and the Crown lawyers can easily argue for longer sentences.

The law enforcement people may also be waiting for meetings, and deals, organised through this forum, to take place. That means they arrest both parties red-handed as it were.
Technically speaking if someone has access to a police terminal, WINZ terminal or stray emails - they know more about you than you about them.

As for waiting the dope plants to grow. We all know what the cops wait for that.

I also found your collection of evidence flawed. I have been here for years and there is nothing practical here. Which reminds me - where have the boobies gone.
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[BoristheBiter]

I have no issues with demonstrations....you do. So basically i would do very little with any Occupier movement, considering that I actally believe that they have valid points. alas they are not rich enough to go for private tea with dear leader.

the guy that killed 4 people in different crashers should be locked up for manslaughter and eventually for premeditated murder considering that he knew he was going to kill again. Life without parole (if this is possible in NZ, but then I am german, and in germany he would have lost his lisences for ever after the first crash, and causing death t he would have ended up in prison for some time)

Laws can be used for the good and the bad, dear Boris.
In Nazi Germany it was very legal to lock up Lesbians, Homosexuals, Political Dissidents, German Jews and European Jews and ship them off to the Camps to be killed.
In Communist Germany it was legal to deprive children of Education because their Parents were considered not communist enough.

A cop spraying a peaceful demonstrator in the Face (as seen on TV and Newspaper and the Internet) is not upholding a law, that cop is enforcing compliance.....leave...now!

but you know all that, you are just some little troll who really believes that shit can't happen here, and if it does, valiantly you will submit fearing that compliance will be forced upon you.



As for you dumbass example of penicillin.....if you go to a doctor and you need an antibiotic you are asked if you have allergies. If you say yes....than they will give you something else. Penicillin...which effn century do you life in?

Mashed food for you only and always.

I will answer that last bit first.
It was an analogy for scissorhands who was blaming the state/doctors for all medical problems.
You call me dumbass then use the same for antibiotics. How do you know if you have allergies if you have never had them before. Also you can have an allergic reaction to things that have never bothered you before.

Now, protests. No I have no problem with them, many of good causes, and even some I don't agree with, need a good protest and it is a good way for showing the government what the country feels or the support one has.
That being said, If you protest you expect at some point you will be asked to move on, if you don't you should be prepared to expect the consequences of not doing so.
Occupy Auckland, was on public land in a no camping site. They were tolerated for a while then asked to move on, failed to do so, so were forcibly moved.

If you are not going to enforce a law there is no point in having one.

And thanks, should have guessed it would take a german to invoke Goodwins.:2thumbsup

[scissorhands]

I will answer that last bit first.
It was an analogy for scissorhands who was blaming the state/doctors for all medical problems.
You call me dumbass then use the same for antibiotics. How do you know if you have allergies if you have never had them before. Also you can have an allergic reaction to things that have never bothered you before.

Now, protests. No I have no problem with them, many of good causes, and even some I don't agree with, need a good protest and it is a good way for showing the government what the country feels or the support one has.
That being said, If you protest you expect at some point you will be asked to move on, if you don't you should be prepared to expect the consequences of not doing so.
Occupy Auckland, was on public land in a no camping site. They were tolerated for a while then asked to move on, failed to do so, so were forcibly moved.

If you are not going to enforce a law there is no point in having one.

And thanks, should have guessed it would take a german to invoke Goodwins.:2thumbsup

You clearly have poor understanding in more areas than was first thought. The more you open your mouth, the ignorant you appear

Allergies can develop in time due to many things... inherited weaknesses, environmental pollutants, a poor lifestyle or drug damage....as can a lowering of IQ;) lucky for some both can also improve
think about things next time sonny

[Banditbandit]

Must engage brain before using fingers to post...Doh !
Sorry Man..I feel bad..:wacko:

Naa bro .. all good. Don't beat yourself up .. all humans stuff up occassionally ..

[BoristheBiter]

You clearly have poor understanding in more areas than was first thought. The more you open your mouth, the ignorant you appear

Allergies can develop in time due to many things... inherited weaknesses, environmental pollutants, a poor lifestyle or drug damage....as can a lowering of IQ;) lucky for some both can also improve
think about things next time sonny

So come on then fuck nuts prove to us all that your smart than the average bear.
Show me where my lack of understanding is.

"inherited weaknesses, environmental pollutants, a poor lifestyle or drug damage"
More your traits than mine you mental arse wipe.:motu:

[scissorhands]

If you spent less time getting angry and thinking up insults, and more time on facts and science, we wouldnt be here right now

Just saying...

[BoristheBiter]

If you spent less time getting angry and thinking up insults, and more time on facts and science, we wouldnt be here right now

Just saying...

Maybe you should go back and see what you have actually been posting and not what you think you've posted we wouldn't be here.
And the insults start from you.

Just saying.

[Katman]

Children, children, children.....

[GCSB Thought Police]

Wotcha worried about... if you've done nothing wrong you'll be sweet.

Maybe you should ask your Bandit-riding friend about a certain anarchist group in Christchurch and what the link is to violent action in Wellington in 1981 - and what he knows about Neil Roberts.

[BoristheBiter]

Maybe you should ask your Bandit-riding friend about a certain anarchist group in Christchurch and what the link is to violent action in Wellington in 1981 - and what he knows about Neil Roberts.

I knows he's dead.........or is he?

[Banditbandit]

What colour were Neil Roberts' eyes?

Blue .. one blew that way and the other blew the other way ...

Prick's got nothing!!!

[mashman]

Maybe you should ask your Bandit-riding friend about a certain anarchist group in Christchurch and what the link is to violent action in Wellington in 1981 - and what he knows about Neil Roberts.

People change over 32 years and no doubt it would make for a riveting story. We all do dumb shit, some do it regularly and in the public eyes. If it involves bum sex, he can keep the story to himself, but should I ever have the good fortune to meet the man himself, I hope it's with several bottles of something alcoholic, a warm fire and a light heart ommmmmmmmmmmm. The past is the past, stop living in it.

[puddytat]

Think Global,Act Local.

[avgas]

Think Global,Act Local.
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Drink Coke
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[puddytat]

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/06/21/surveillance-laws-strikebreaking-subversive-groups/

[scumdog]

What colour were Neil Roberts' eyes?

Blue .. one blew that way and the other blew the other way ...

Prick's got nothing!!!

Well actually his head was surprisingly undamaged...;) - but the rest of him...hmm

IMHO: Just another ding-bat that killed himself for no effect.

[mashman]

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/06/21/surveillance-laws-strikebreaking-subversive-groups/

They know the people well eh. Self-sufficient individuals that can't abide cooperation in any form unless it's making them money. Bunch of PC fags.

[Brian d marge]

Well actually his head was surprisingly undamaged...;) - but the rest of him...hmm

IMHO: Just another ding-bat that killed himself for no effect.
who is Neil roberts?

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

They know the people well eh. Self-sufficient individuals that can't abide cooperation in any form unless it's making them money. Bunch of PC fags.

284198 Acually the "state" was a lot worse back in the day

Elizabethian England William Cecil , made our current lot , ( usa included ) look positively saintly

In this current age, Im afraid "survalance in a necessary evil , The problem occure IMHO , when the "spies" or "big brother" are not checked or held accountable BY an outside organisation , with representatives of the people included

Then we get the mess we have now

Stephen

OH , BTW
Hi big brother , hows today been? any news ???

[mashman]

284198 Acually the "state" was a lot worse back in the day

Elizabethian England William Cecil , made our current lot , ( usa included ) look positively saintly

In this current age, Im afraid "survalance in a necessary evil , The problem occure IMHO , when the "spies" or "big brother" are not checked or held accountable BY an outside organisation , with representatives of the people included

Then we get the mess we have now

Stephen

OH , BTW
Hi big brother , hows today been? any news ???

I've no doubt they were bad back in the day, primarily because exactly the same attitude exists: do as we expect because we know better than you. The attitude hasn't really changed has it?

In this day and age surveillance is only required because people are given reason to plot against their govts by their govts for their govts. They shroud themselves in secrecy and commit atrocity out in the open in our name, then have the balls to blame us for it. No one can keep big brother in check and there is no doubt that even if you dissent they'll drag out your file and hit you as hard as they can. The next step is to remove due process in "special" cases and that's it... and as long as the "good" citizens and swallowers of what they are told sit and cower in their fear, it won't be too long before that becomes the case. You've got to be naive not to see it coming. The US have already done it through the NDAA and it's much easier to pick people off one by one than it is to deal with 1 million in the streets like on Brazil. That ain't paranoia, it's happening across the globe and it'll not be long before it's here too. Bring on Hekla or a tsunami or another decent quake or maybe a cyber attack and they'll slide the legislation through.

There's some real bad fuckers out there with some real bad plans, hardly surprising they need our compliance to allow them to take what they want whenever they want it and the surveillance gives them everything they need. We just need more jails, oh, hang on. No conspiracy, as you highlight, it's been going on for centuries.

[Brian d marge]

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Alf on form

Stephen

[avgas]

Looks like the mind popo got scared - trying to delete their cache.

Too late buddy - Prism has that stuff now.

[scissorhands]

Looks like the mind popo got scared - trying to delete their cache.

Too late buddy - Prism has that stuff now.

They're affect on my life is but nothing compared to my own shitty mistakes:weep:
I am a slave to my own corrupted master
I seek freedom
But put my own self leader in my pocket
Every day
My past mistakes haunt me
yet I still do not learn from them

[mashman]

Looks like the mind popo got scared - trying to delete their cache.

Too late buddy - Prism has that stuff now.

Maybe been arrested for impersonating an Intelligence agency. Personally I thought he made too much sense.

[avgas]

Maybe been arrested for impersonating an Intelligence agency. Personally I thought he made too much sense.
I think that is what he wants us to think. He is the mind popo after all.
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[scissorhands]

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[GCSB Thought Police]

Maybe been arrested for impersonating an Intelligence agency. Personally I thought he made too much sense.


I think that is what he wants us to think. He is the mind popo after all.


No, not at all. I've been off doing other things. It's not as if I live here, like some of you.

[Banditbandit]

People change over 32 years and no doubt it would make for a riveting story. We all do dumb shit, some do it regularly and in the public eyes. If it involves bum sex, he can keep the story to himself, but should I ever have the good fortune to meet the man himself, I hope it's with several bottles of something alcoholic, a warm fire and a light heart ommmmmmmmmmmm. The past is the past, stop living in it.

Thank you, I'd appreciate and enjoy something alcoholic and a good fire with good conversation.

And the rest is pretty much what I was going to say - if I was going to say anything.

[mashman]

No, not at all. I've been off doing other things. It's not as if I live here, like some of you.

This place is like the local pub. Throw off your chains man, have a seat.


Thank you, I'd appreciate and enjoy something alcoholic and a good fire with good conversation.

And the rest is pretty much what I was going to say - if I was going to say anything.

Dunno about the good conversation bit though :D

Aye, some fuckers forget we're ALL human.

[gwigs]

[QUOTE=GCSB Thought Police;1130567866]No, not at all. I've been off doing other things.

Like saving the world from evil masterminds... good on ya 007..
Keeping the world safe..:niceone::tugger:

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[BoristheBiter]

Aye, some fuckers forget we're ALL human.

You do make it hard sometimes, but i'ld still buy you a beer.

[mashman]

You do make it hard sometimes, but i'ld still buy you a beer.

Ooooo free beer... I lubz you Bowis.

[BoristheBiter]

Ooooo free beer... I lubz you Bowis.

Oi, any more of that Honda talk and I'll get abusive again.

[mashman]

Oi, any more of that Honda talk and I'll get abusive again.

And of course I shall respond accordingly :D... Iffen yer ever in Wellywood, I'll spring for beer... you bring lube.

[mashman]

Meanwhile, Erdogan says same forces behind Brazil and Turkey protests (www.ft.com/cms/s/0/db155bd4-dbe2-11e2-8853-00144feab7de.html). All a stunt eh. Nothing to do with the people being non-chuffed at their respective govts actions? Turn it all into a political conspiracy eh. WTF can ya do with these dozy fuckers. Time for some overarching surveillance laws methinks.

[Banditbandit]

Jeez some politicians are dumb ... "Global Threat" or "World Terrorism" has become the new communist terror ... Syria's Assad is using the same type of excuse ... international shit stirrers ... just as dictators like Marcos last century used "communism" ..

[oldrider]

Civil disobedience and instigated chaos are the biggest threat to the free world ... much more destructive than the "bomb" could ever be!

We have had and experienced all the best of "peace" in our time, my generation lived like kings and queens!

But what a total fuck-up we have left for our grandchildren to endure! :spanking:

[avgas]

No, not at all. I've been off doing other things. It's not as if I live here, like some of you.
Couldn't catch the train to work after the storm huh?

[mashman]

Jeez some politicians are dumb ... "Global Threat" or "World Terrorism" has become the new communist terror ... Syria's Assad is using the same type of excuse ... international shit stirrers ... just as dictators like Marcos last century used "communism" ..

Shhhhhhh, the children might here you and start asking questions.

[Banditbandit]

Civil disobedience and instigated chaos are the biggest threat to the free world ... much more destructive than the "bomb" could ever be!

I disagree completely - but then, you'd expect that wouldn't you ... civil disobedience is a basic "right" within democracy - one of the few allowable direct acvion methods .. instigated chaos? Not sure what you mean by that - but I would probably enjoy it ..


We have had and experienced all the best of "peace" in our time, my generation lived like kings and queens!


I like Heinlein's definitin of "peace" - "Peace is a time when the civilian population do not notice that soldiers are dying".

But what a total fuck-up we have left for our grandchildren to endure! :spanking:

Yes .. I do agree .. I am horrified at the children my generation hs created. WE rejected pretty mch everyhting our parents stood for and did .. and look at the mess we (and I mean that as a collective because I have no children) we have made of raising the next generation ..

[scissorhands]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhETKM5lTh4

[oldrider]

I disagree completely - but then, you'd expect that wouldn't you ... civil disobedience is a basic "right" within democracy - one of the few allowable direct acvion methods .. instigated chaos? Not sure what you mean by that - but I would probably enjoy it ..

Hmmmm, I will try to explain what I mean by civil disobedience and organised chaos.

I don't disagree with you about our basic rights but there are those that will use that for there own ends and that is where it gets dangerous.

Irrespective of who is right or wrong in the recent upheavals in Brazil, Turkey, et al, the resulting confusion and breakdown of order will take a long time to heal.

If you extrapolate these events out all over the world, (which wouldn't take too much to do) the resulting chaos would take forever to get sorted! (IMHO)

Already there are many suggestions/questions circulating of just who are the beneficiaries of these disruptions and why?

Remember the notices printed on fireworks of old! ... "Light blue touch paper, do not hold in the hand!"

I believe that if this behaviour is ignited and spread around the world simultaneously, it will take many, many, decades to get back to where we are now.

Just my opinion/observation, nothing more, nothing less.

[mashman]

My 2 cents... coz I can



Yes .. I do agree .. I am horrified at the children my generation hs created. WE rejected pretty mch everyhting our parents stood for and did .. and look at the mess we (and I mean that as a collective because I have no children) we have made of raising the next generation ..


I reckon it's the usual cycle of kids v's adults and given that past generations have a different set of values, some of it is bound to be rebelled against. We haven't made a mess, we've just handled it really badly... moreover we've handled it in exactly the same way that our parents handled it, we said NO! End of! For some unknown reason adults believe they know more than the kids, granted in a lot of respects that's true, but that doesn't make them "right" across the board, contrary to popular belief it would seem. In fact I'd venture that kids don't rebel against us, but that we rebel against them and then blame them for being the problem. They must fit in with us, not us with them. They must think like us, not us like them. They must learn like us, not us like them. They must have it hard, because we once had it hard too. Praps we should all be shot by the age of 30, or at least we should be interviewed by a panel of 14/16yr olds and should it be deemed necessary they should be allowed to shoot us, or at least have Adultator with lions and things that make you dead. Adults simply don't listen and they certainly seem to refuse change blah blah blah blah...


Hmmmm, I will try to explain what I mean by civil disobedience and organised chaos.

I don't disagree with you about our basic rights but there are those that will use that for there own ends and that is where it gets dangerous.

Irrespective of who is right or wrong in the recent upheavals in Brazil, Turkey, et al, the resulting confusion and breakdown of order will take a long time to heal.

If you extrapolate these events out all over the world, (which wouldn't take too much to do) the resulting chaos would take forever to get sorted! (IMHO)

Already there are many suggestions/questions circulating of just who are the beneficiaries of these disruptions and why?

Remember the notices printed on fireworks of old! ... "Light blue touch paper, do not hold in the hand!"

I believe that if this behaviour is ignited and spread around the world simultaneously, it will take many, many, decades to get back to where we are now.

Just my opinion/observation, nothing more, nothing less.

The only reason things take so long to calm down is because nothing actually changes, nothing gets done in response to the reasons people got off their arse and voiced their discontent in the first place. If the furor dies down because the voices have been listened to, things go back to normal quite quickly... but where that discontent remains because of inaction, then you're right, confusion will reign and it will simmer until the next time people get pissed enough that they moblise and voice their discontent.

This was bourne out by Occupy. So many people wanting Occupy to qualify their discontent where Occupy itself was a melting pot of leaderless environmentalists, anti-capitalists, anarchists, insert group with pet peeve of choice. So many drums to bang and too many people asking Occupy to bang 1 drum so that they could understand their point of view. Moderately amusing that so many on here couldn't grasp that simple fact. The downside is that they all have their pet peeves for very valid reasons and yet none of those peeves will be addressed, just more of the same.

The benefit of allowing protests? Time. More time is afforded to the cheesemakers, I mean reignmakers, I mean lawmakers to put things in place to nullify any future outbursts with any force necessary... better yet, to spy on those who might organise such things and jail them as terrorists.

Similar to yourself, just my opinion/observation, nothing more, nothing less, but I believe the evidence available highlights intent and there are very few powerful people v's a hoard of angry people. I can't say I blame them for wanting a heads up, but I do blame them for jailing people for standing up for their right to be heard.

[Maha]

Correct me if I am wrong but, when John Key (or any of his side kicks) bleat on about the 'previous Government' ..surely they are referring to themselves? National were the previous Government this being their second (and final) term.

[Oscar]

Correct me if I am wrong but, when John Key (or any of his side kicks) bleat on about the 'previous Government' ..surely they are referring to themselves? National were the previous Government this being their second (and final) term.

No.
Consider yourself corrected.

[avgas]

Still waiting to vote for "No Government" option.
We could replace them with movie star actors who pretend to know what they are doing.

[Maha]

No.
Consider yourself corrected.

So literally, National were not the previous Government?

[Oscar]

So literally, National were not the previous Government?

No, Labour were.

I know what you're saying, but that's how historians refer to gummints - for example: "The Fifth Labour Government" is the one that ruled between 1999 & 2008 (and won three elections).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Labour_Government_of_New_Zealand


Edit - The Fifth Labour Govt. was the 46th, 47th and 48th Parliament
The Fifth National Govt. is the 49th and 50th Parliament

[Banditbandit]

Still waiting to vote for "No Government" option.

I'd be happy with a simple No Confidence vote ...


We could replace them with movie star actors who pretend to know what they are doing.

The 'Merikan system ??? Bugga that !!!

[Banditbandit]

Hmmmm, I will try to explain what I mean by civil disobedience and organised chaos.

I don't disagree with you about our basic rights but there are those that will use that for there own ends and that is where it gets dangerous.

Irrespective of who is right or wrong in the recent upheavals in Brazil, Turkey, et al, the resulting confusion and breakdown of order will take a long time to heal.

I don't think that "causes deep social divisions" is reason enough to ban civil disobedience .. look that the NZ Springbok tour ... a prime example of civil disobedience in GodZone .. the hurts are still there ...


If you extrapolate these events out all over the world, (which wouldn't take too much to do) the resulting chaos would take forever to get sorted! (IMHO)

Already there are many suggestions/questions circulating of just who are the beneficiaries of these disruptions and why?

Remember the notices printed on fireworks of old! ... "Light blue touch paper, do not hold in the hand!"

I believe that if this behaviour is ignited and spread around the world simultaneously, it will take many, many, decades to get back to where we are now.

Yes .. but ... see I don't think we want to get back to where were are now - we want change, we want it now ... and it is going to happen .. I don't mean in GodZone, I mean the poor, the powerless, the disaffected and the disadvantaged of the world ... I'm all in favour of the social revolutions going on right now (my worry is the Middle East where the Islamic extremists seem to be winning - remembering that many peole think ordinary MUslims are extreme - they are not)

There are many many poor and oppressed and disaffected and disenfranchised and disempowered and simply hungry people in the world .. in this day and age, with the technology we have .. is it any wonder that some people have taken to the streets ??

[Banditbandit]

moreover we've handled it in exactly the same way that our parents handled it, we said NO! End of!

See - I don't believe that people did say that - our parents said to us . adn we said Naa .. we'll be different wth our kids .. and we were more lenient .. and that's what's fucked up the next generation - they want everything now .. with no consequences ...

Maybe if we had said "No, end Of" then they might have learnt some values ... now we have to teach them as adults - often by banging them in prison !!!

[mashman]

See - I don't believe that people did say that - our parents said to us . adn we said Naa .. we'll be different wth our kids .. and we were more lenient .. and that's what's fucked up the next generation - they want everything now .. with no consequences ...

Maybe if we had said "No, end Of" then they might have learnt some values ... now we have to teach them as adults - often by banging them in prison !!!

Tis the reason we have laws innit? That's a big No! End of! No? Irrespective, if a parent tells you No (which they do) and you're going to go ahead and do it anyway (and by fuck did we, do we, don't they) then we're hardly saying yes are we? What kid hasn't wanted everything now? Kids grow up faster these days and "we're" just not prepared for that as a society, in fact we're taking things away from them that could otherwise keep them busy and not offering any form of fun in return. We're too busy working to provide for the kids and leaving kids to be raised by kids... and as you say, as long as they keep their noses clean, they can get away with it forever, the parents will never know. Does that mean we're more lenient? or just too lazy/busy to raise our kids? Adults fuckin suck, they really don't understand kids/youth at all. Maybe they've just forgotten what it was like.

Maybe, but I doubt it very much and I certainly wouldn't equate No! End Of! with learning values. Maybe the value of stuff, but half of the time they don't grasp the concepts of the values you're trying to teach because they're too young. Wonder how often, when a kid nods its head in acknowledgement, that it really doesn't understand at all? Has the adult taken it as red that the kid now understands the "value" associated with the "chat"? Coz if that's what happens (which I does as I am just as guilty of that), then it's hardly surprising that kids are supposedly unruly. They have no frame of reference and I think we take it for granted that they do.

[avgas]

I'd be happy with a simple No Confidence vote ...

The 'Merikan system ??? Bugga that !!!
a) We have had that for years. 25% of the people did it last time. Nothing change. The house has the same number of members, they are paid the same amounts and their bonuses were the same size. As mentioned earlier - until we have a full blown vent for this 25%......I see nothing changes. Even if there was a "no confidence" option.
We need riots. We need force to dislodge this rock.

b) Nah they get paid too much there. I was thinking a facade. All show no actions. Could get actors to do it for $50K a year.

[Akzle]

Still waiting to vote for "No Government" option.
We could replace them with movie star actors who pretend to know what they are doing.

fuck that.

Vote Akzle!


(srsly, cross out everyone on your ballot and write "akzle for PM")

[Akzle]

now we have to
teach them as adults - often by
banging them in prison !!!


Thats nasty. Dont drop the soap nigga!

[BoristheBiter]

See - I don't believe that people did say that - our parents said to us . adn we said Naa .. we'll be different wth our kids .. and we were more lenient .. and that's what's fucked up the next generation - they want everything now .. with no consequences ...

Maybe if we had said "No, end Of" then they might have learnt some values ... now we have to teach them as adults - often by banging them in prison !!!

And see it completely differently.
They have forgot to teach them manners.
They have tried to be their children's best mate instead of being their parents.
And even worse than that is grand parents that let little johnny get away with even more.

the scary part is these fuck ups are going to be running the country. you guys bleat on about JK but think what's coming.

[mashman]

Shonkey Donkey just wants to keep us safe. (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/17741567/key-lashes-labour-over-gcsb-bill/)... what a fuckin chicken shit toss bag.

[oneofsix]

Shonkey Donkey just wants to keep us safe. (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/17741567/key-lashes-labour-over-gcsb-bill/)... what a fuckin chicken shit toss bag.

Those dirty Labour bastards not trusting the GCSB to spy on us and get it right (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10892829) They will thankfully never get re-elected unless they start doing it the American way

[blue rider]

And see it completely differently.
They have forgot to teach them manners.
They have tried to be their children's best mate instead of being their parents.
And even worse than that is grand parents that let little johnny get away with even more.

the scary part is these fuck ups are going to be running the country. you guys bleat on about JK but think what's coming.

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
Socrates
Source: Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato, according to William L. Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277 .This passage was very popular in the 1960s and its essence was used by the Mayor of Amsterdam, Gijsbert van Hall, following a street demonstration in 1966, as reported by The New York Times, April 3, 1966, p. 16.This use prompted Malcolm S. Forbes to write an editorial on youth.Forbes, April 15, 1966, p. 11. In that same issue, under the heading Side Lines, pp. 56, is a summary of the efforts of researchers and scholars to confirm the wording of Socrates, or Plato, but without success. Evidently, the quotation is spurious. · This quote is about uncategorised · Search on Google Books to find all references and sources for this quotation.

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[mashman]

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
Socrates
Source: Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato, according to William L. Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277 .This passage was very popular in the 1960s and its essence was used by the Mayor of Amsterdam, Gijsbert van Hall, following a street demonstration in 1966, as reported by The New York Times, April 3, 1966, p. 16.This use prompted Malcolm S. Forbes to write an editorial on youth.Forbes, April 15, 1966, p. 11. In that same issue, under the heading Side Lines, pp. 56, is a summary of the efforts of researchers and scholars to confirm the wording of Socrates, or Plato, but without success. Evidently, the quotation is spurious. · This quote is about uncategorised · Search on Google Books to find all references and sources for this quotation.

- See more at: http://quotationsbook.com/quote/44998/#sthash.1Kyc01Gt.dpuf

Can't be right surely? That was 2500 years ago. Surely kids have changed since then. Maybe it's that the adults haven't. Nope. Must be the kids.

[scissorhands]

Blaming the children is like a farmer blaming his sheep....

[Akzle]

Blaming the children is like a farmer blaming his sheep....

theyre out there. Plotting. Just look at them. Thoughtfully chewing. Waiting. Just waiting.
One day youll go out and
BAM.
Youll be shaved and dagged and put to pasture.

[blue rider]

theyre out there. Plotting. Just look at them. Thoughtfully chewing. Waiting. Just waiting.
One day youll go out and
BAM.
Youll be shaved and dagged and put to pasture.

can't bling akzle again...

[BoristheBiter]

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
Socrates
Source: Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato, according to William L. Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277 .This passage was very popular in the 1960s and its essence was used by the Mayor of Amsterdam, Gijsbert van Hall, following a street demonstration in 1966, as reported by The New York Times, April 3, 1966, p. 16.This use prompted Malcolm S. Forbes to write an editorial on youth.Forbes, April 15, 1966, p. 11. In that same issue, under the heading Side Lines, pp. 56, is a summary of the efforts of researchers and scholars to confirm the wording of Socrates, or Plato, but without success. Evidently, the quotation is spurious. · This quote is about uncategorised · Search on Google Books to find all references and sources for this quotation.

- See more at: http://quotationsbook.com/quote/44998/#sthash.1Kyc01Gt.dpuf

Socrates left no writings of his own, thus our awareness of his teachings comes primarily from a few ancient authors who referred to him in their own works.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Socrates

But it still doesn't make it less untrue.

[Swoop]

you guys bleat on about JK but think what's coming.

Well, this deluded individual keep us entertained.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10893025

If the labourite leader has no idea he is ineffectual, inept and a waste of political space, what are the rest of the red idiots up to?

The lunatic fringe party has announced that their great idea to simply "print more money", isn't as good as first thought. It is scary what else they will have in their hidden-agenda file.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the conservative party at the next election.

[Akzle]

Well, this deluded individual keep us entertained.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10893025

If the labourite leader has no idea he is ineffectual, inept and a waste of political space, what are the rest of the red idiots up to?

The lunatic fringe party has announced that their great idea to simply "print more money", isn't as good as first thought. It is scary what else they will have in their hidden-agenda file.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the conservative party at the next election.

serious? Troll?
Shirley you cunt buy that shit?

[Oscar]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8552746/Sweeping-GCSB-changes-announced

I hate all politicians. But this one particularly.

"Law abiding citizens need not fear the GCSB"

"Don't worry, its only a shower"

"New Zealand (or as he would have it "NuZillin") technology has been sourced (or tried to be) for incorporation into WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION"

fucking. liar. If that last statement is true, are terrirists using powdered milk instead of C4? electric fence controllers instead of detonators? Maybe sheeps wool instead of wire.

I'll say it again: I think he is a fucking liar. IF any of that is true, then release the evidence you cunt.


Its been a bad morning. this isnt helping.

/rant.

Two thirds of the population approve of his performance.
They are either all morons or don't care about your issue.

[oldrider]

Well, this deluded individual keep us entertained.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10893025

If the labourite leader has no idea he is ineffectual, inept and a waste of political space, what are the rest of the red idiots up to?

Hmmm, perhaps the most sensible way to make my votes "effective" would be to transfer on to the Maori role and vote for the Maori party!:scratch: (must look into that) :yes:

[Banditbandit]

Two thirds of the population approve of his performance.
They are either all morons or don't care about your issue.

They're morons ...

[Oscar]

They're morons ...

I suppose, if you factor in Shortland Street & X Factor watchers, then two thirds of the population could be morons.

[Banditbandit]

It pays to rememebr that 50% of the population are below average intellegence .... (And for all you statisticians out there, the population is big enough that the mean and the average are the same thing - the variance is not statistically significant ...)

[Oscar]

It pays to rememebr that 50% of the population are below average intellegence .... (And for all you statisticians out there, the population is big enough that the mean and the average are the same thing - the variance is not statistically significant ...)

That doesn't make them morons, though does it?

It also means that half the posters here are of below average intelligence...perhaps the inability to spell “intelligence” may be an indicator in this regard?

[Banditbandit]

That doesn't make them morons, though does it?

It also means that half the posters here are of below average intelligence...perhaps the inability to spell “intelligence” may be an indicator in this regard?

Bwhahahaha ... good chance .... "No intelligent life on this planet would ride around on two wheels." (Fred Bird)


(and yeah, my spelling is messy .. on the other hand, I communicated my meaning ... what else matters?)

[Swoop]

serious? Troll?
Shirley you cunt buy that shit?

Nobody with a working brain could say "the leader of the labour party is smart and leading us into a bright future".

Perhaps being led into the dark wilderness though. The labour party is not a viable alternative to the government we currently have.

[Brian d marge]

Two thirds of the population approve of his performance.
They are either all morons or don't care about your issue.

its going to be one of those days ....me thinks
wake up , log in , and Oscar has entered something half decent ( I am assuming he doesnt know the hows and whys , How the JKs of this world use focus groups ,,,,)

what else can happen today ....

I need coffee ....

[Oscar]

its going to be one of those days ....me thinks
wake up , log in , and Oscar has entered something half decent ( I am assuming he doesnt know the hows and whys , How the JKs of this world use focus groups ,,,,)

what else can happen today ....

I need coffee ....

So what you're saying is that Key uses focus groups to find out what people want.
It must be working with that approval rating, though no doubt you have an alternative and more sinister reason.

[oldrider]

Nobody with a working brain could say "the leader of the labour party is smart and leading us into a bright future".

Perhaps being led into the dark wilderness though. The labour party is not a viable alternative to the government we currently have.

Never mind, the media will plug Labour so hard just prior to the next election, all their (Labour's) current obvious failings will be forgotten by the gullible!

Notice how they (media) use the poll's to manipulate the result that they (media vested interests) desire. (happens every election year)

A lie repeated often enough will eventually become the perceived truth of the unsuspecting. :corn:

[Oscar]

Notice how they (media) use the poll's to manipulate the result that they (media vested interests) desire. (happens every election year)



Do you have one smidgen of evidence for this claim?
If it were true, wouldn't we be stuck with the same party in Govt for ever (or at least the same polling results)?
Or are you just pulling opinions out of your arse?

[avgas]

Two thirds of the population approve of his performance.
They are either all morons or don't care about your issue.
Careful now. People don't like the concept of the "unthinking majority"......some took it quite personally last time I brought it up. :killingme

[avgas]

It pays to rememebr that 50% of the population are below average intellegence .... (And for all you statisticians out there, the population is big enough that the mean and the average are the same thing - the variance is not statistically significant ...)
So are you saying the smartest are just as dumbests are stupid? e.g. balanced or bell-curved.
With or without all the retards?

Who was our anti-Rutherford? What freak-show was it with?

[Oscar]

Careful now. People don't like the concept of the "unthinking majority"......some took it quite personally last time I brought it up. :killingme

The arrogance of some posters here is unbelievable. If you point out that the democratically elected government of NZ is quite popular in the opinion polls, they sneer at Joe & Jane Average and label them sheep. They infer that the press and “vested interests” lead these idiots to vote for the wrong parties (i.e. the ones they don’t like).

In the meantime, they’re off in other threads raving about the death of democracy in Turkey and such…why don't they respect the process in their own country?

[Oscar]

Who was our anti-Rutherford?

David Tua ("O for Awesome")?

[oldrider]

Do you have one smidgen of evidence for this claim?
If it were true, wouldn't we be stuck with the same party in Govt for ever (or at least the same polling results)?
Or are you just pulling opinions out of your arse?

Yes, I have been following election results in NZ since 1949.

We have been stuck with the same results entirely over that time ... only the labels and colours of the parties change.

And yes to the last statement too, it is the only source of information that I trust!

[avgas]

That doesn't make them morons, though does it?
It also means that half the posters here are of below average intelligence...perhaps the inability to spell “intelligence” may be an indicator in this regard?
No a moron is someone who does the same thing again and again expecting a different result. Therefore a moron would be a person who votes, gets disappointed then votes the same way again.
Therefore:
a) some were happy with (some) results
b) some were unhappy and changed their votes
c) some were unhappy and didn't vote
d) some were unhappy and maintained their votes

only people in d were morons. So you can't say that all JK voters were morons. Just the ones that fall under the "D" category in life (pun intended).
Incidentally I got told a D is still a pass in US. Probably the same with NCEA :wacko:

[Oscar]

Yes, I have been following election results in NZ since 1949.

We have been stuck with the same results entirely over that time ... only the labels and colours of the parties change.

And yes to the last statement too, it is the only source of information that I trust!

So you're saying there's no diference between Rob Muldoon's Govt. and Helen Clarke's Administration?

Step away from the bong..

[avgas]

David Tua ("O for Awesome")?
Nah he is more an Anti-William Hamilton. An anti-Rutherford would be a drooling veggie.

[oldrider]

So you're saying there's no diference between Rob Muldoon's Govt. and Helen Clarke's Administration?

Step away from the bong..

Are you fucking blind or something the difference is minuscule over all when you look at the broader picture!

[Oscar]

Nah he is more an Anti-William Hamilton. An anti-Rutherford would be a drooling veggie.

Aaron Gilmore?

[avgas]

Aaron Gilmore?
Aaron isn't stupid. He's arrogant. Really, Really, Really Arrogant.
Can't confuse EQ with IQ.
Aaron will make a good backroom accountant some day. We just need to keep kicking the shit out of him.

[Oscar]

Are you fucking blind or something the difference is minuscule over all when you look at the broader picture!

Blind??

Please explain the similarities between the 1984 Labour Govt. and Muldoon’s regime.
One was the world’s only centralized Tory economy (carless days, MRP, Govt subsidies for industry, Think Big and tax everything) and the other was a Left Wing free economy experiment that is till unique in history.

Were you stoned through the eighties?
In jail?
Sectioned?

[Oscar]

Aaron isn't stupid. He's arrogant. Really, Really, Really Arrogant.
Can't confuse EQ with IQ.
Aaron will make a good backroom accountant some day. We just need to keep kicking the shit out of him.

OK.
So we want the intellectual opposite of Rutherford?

Lemme see now...







...someone really, really dumb....



















































...Mashman?

[Oscar]

Aaron isn't stupid. He's arrogant. Really, Really, Really Arrogant.
Can't confuse EQ with IQ.
Aaron will make a good backroom accountant some day. We just need to keep kicking the shit out of him.

He strikes me as one of the most unlikeable politicians I have ever seen.
How the hell did he get selected?

[Swoop]

the media will plug Labour so hard just prior to the next election, all their (Labour's) current obvious failings will be forgotten by the gullible!

Notice how they (media) use the poll's to manipulate the result that they (media vested interests) desire. (happens every election year)

A lie repeated often enough will eventually become the perceived truth of the unsuspecting. :corn:
Quite true.
The memory of the kiwi voter is pathetically short.

Do you have one smidgen of evidence for this claim?
If it were true, wouldn't we be stuck with the same party in Govt for ever (or at least the same polling results)?
Or are you just pulling opinions out of your arse?
You know that the media in UnZud "play" with the populace at election time. The genuinely stupid fall for it each election.

So you're saying there's no diference between Rob Muldoon's Govt. and Helen Clarke's Administration?
He has a very good point. A deluded individual as leader of that party, with atrocious, delusional egotistical aspirations needs to be removed.

[mashman]

...Mashman?

What?.....

[oldrider]

Blind??

Please explain the similarities between the 1984 Labour Govt. and Muldoon’s regime.
One was the world’s only centralized Tory economy (carless days, MRP, Govt subsidies for industry, Think Big and tax everything) and the other was a Left Wing free economy experiment that is till unique in history.

Were you stoned through the eighties?
In jail?
Sectioned?

Don't disagree with you at all, the points you make are valid for the "ingredients" but I am referring to the mix that finally comes out as the end product!

Remember Matchless and AJS? Slight variations but essentially the same motorbikes!

National and Labour? ... You named the variations yourself but they both achieve essentially the same results!

The differences are not accidental, just designed to give the electorate choices to argue about while ascertaining that the desired results will be achieved.

The media just make sure that the electorate make their choices wisely and believe that they are "informed"!

It's called democracy to make us all feel good about it and to think that we have freedom of choice. :facepalm:

[avgas]

He strikes me as one of the most unlikeable politicians I have ever seen.
How the hell did he get selected?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmel_Sepuloni
Carmel was the worst flatmate I ever had. She was worse than the indian guy who left stinky curry in a crock pot for 2 weeks. She was worse than the leech flatmate who never covered his bills on time.

Hell her feminine son stole money and her motherly instinct was that he should be allowed to keep it, because he stole it and I didn't see him steal it.

This was only 13 years ago.

So politicians in NZ aren't exactly pinnacles of society. Scum floats on the surface of any tank, including the political pool.

[avgas]

What?.....
He calling you stoopid mashy :lol:

[avgas]

Remember Matchless and AJS?
Nope. Remember Stones Ginger Wine is all.

[slofox]

Nope. Remember Stones Ginger Wine is all.

Every time I drank Stones Green Ginger Wine, I remembered nothing at all...

[mashman]

He calling you stoopid mashy :lol:

Oh, thanks ;)

[Oscar]

Don't disagree with you at all, the points you make are valid for the "ingredients" but I am referring to the mix that finally comes out as the end product!

Remember Matchless and AJS? Slight variations but essentially the same motorbikes!

National and Labour? ... You named the variations yourself but they both achieve essentially the same results!

The differences are not accidental, just designed to give the electorate choices to argue about while ascertaining that the desired results will be achieved.

The media just make sure that the electorate make their choices wisely and believe that they are "informed"!

It's called democracy to make us all feel good about it and to think that we have freedom of choice. :facepalm:

You're winding me up.
Are you saying that if Muldoon had achieved a win in the 84 election, he would have instituted Rogernomics?
Got us out of ANZUS?

Maybe you should exercise your freedom of choice and put the bong down.

[oldrider]

You're winding me up.
Are you saying that if Muldoon had achieved a win in the 84 election, he would have instituted Rogernomics?
Got us out of ANZUS?

Maybe you should exercise your freedom of choice and put the bong down.

Not winding you up or even trying to but I know you will get it, just raise your thoughts above that level.

[scissorhands]

You're winding me up.
Are you saying that if Muldoon had achieved a win in the 84 election, he would have instituted Rogernomics?
Got us out of ANZUS?

Maybe you should exercise your freedom of choice and put the bong down.

heres a reply with news reels, music and pictures, to explain Oldies point a little easier


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JSBhI_0at0

[Oscar]

Not winding you up or even trying to but I know you will get it, just raise your thoughts above that level.

Send me some of your dack...

[scissorhands]

Send me some of your dack...

it actually does helps with cognitive dissonance...:yes:

[avgas]

Every time I drank Stones Green Ginger Wine, I remembered nothing at all...
1970's Date Rape :killingme

[puddytat]

Well, this deluded individual keep us entertained.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10893025

If the labourite leader has no idea he is ineffectual, inept and a waste of political space, what are the rest of the red idiots up to?

The lunatic fringe party has announced that their great idea to simply "print more money", isn't as good as first thought. It is scary what else they will have in their hidden-agenda file.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the conservative party at the next election.

And riiiight....the Right is always huh?

I think that their popularity will rise in synch with a similar increase in the lefter Left...
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/06/26/okay-okay-im-un-surrendering-replace-shearer/

Meanwhile Qbamas gone all Green on us.....has he grown some & is serious , or is it a wee distraction from Prism.

So has JohnK , by O.K- ing a train & there by nicely side stepping an election issue....
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/06/26/national-u-turn-now-has-rail-link-on-track/

[scumdog]

1970's Date Rape :killingme

Bols Blackcurrent Gin in my days...or sometimes Chardon...

[Oscar]

Bols Blackcurrent Gin in my days...or sometimes Chardon...

Blackberry Nip.

Interesting coloured vomit...

[avgas]

You're winding me up.
Are you saying that if Muldoon had achieved a win in the 84 election, he would have instituted Rogernomics?
Got us out of ANZUS?

Maybe you should exercise your freedom of choice and put the bong down.
We will never know.

The good question would be what would the interest rate be in 1987? Will the banks claw back with a 20% rate while NZer's lose their homes? Can they do it again?

Doesn't matter the decision of what a government makes - if the outcome remains the same.
Can't help but see the reoccurring themes

Power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_Corporation_of_New_Zealand
http://www.labour.org.nz/nz-power

Rail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiwiRail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranz_Rail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Railways_Corporation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Railways_Department

Employment Training
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Ministry_of_Works
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Infrastructure
http://www.dol.govt.nz/
http://www.modern-apprenticeships.govt.nz/

If I were in Labours shoes, and I wanted to grab the attention of the working man.....I would look at issues that people know are failing.
Kill DOL and start MOW getting people training with skills where you can build infrastructure (e.g. power / rail / roading). This will get the low-to-no income earners $ and qualifications. Thus bringing up the whole economy because suddenly there is a standard for how you should live you life.

Simply waving your finger at the other guy, and the industry doesn't do shit. No wonder all the Labour voters have no faith in their party - no one in that party has done any work (Labour). May as well call it the scholarship party.

[avgas]

Blackberry Nip.

Interesting coloured vomit...
I don't recommend Mississippi Moonshine + Hubbards Berry Berry Nice cereal
You think your vomiting organ parts.

[oldrider]

Send me some of your dack...

Suit yourself, I really don't care because nothing will change anyhow. :drinknsin :bye:

[Oscar]

We will never know.



And that's the most sensible thing to say.

[avgas]

And that's the most sensible thing to say.
http://www.aaac.100megsfree5.com/pics/conscriptiontheylltakedad.jpg

[Brian d marge]

We will never know.

The good question would be what would the interest rate be in 1987? Will the banks claw back with a 20% rate while NZer's lose their homes? Can they do it again?

Doesn't matter the decision of what a government makes - if the outcome remains the same.
Can't help but see the reoccurring themes

Power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_Corporation_of_New_Zealand
http://www.labour.org.nz/nz-power

Rail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiwiRail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tranz_Rail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Railways_Corporation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Railways_Department

Employment Training
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Ministry_of_Works
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Infrastructure
http://www.dol.govt.nz/
http://www.modern-apprenticeships.govt.nz/

If I were in Labours shoes, and I wanted to grab the attention of the working man.....I would look at issues that people know are failing.
Kill DOL and start MOW getting people training with skills where you can build infrastructure (e.g. power / rail / roading). This will get the low-to-no income earners $ and qualifications. Thus bringing up the whole economy because suddenly there is a standard for how you should live you life.

Simply waving your finger at the other guy, and the industry doesn't do shit. No wonder all the Labour voters have no faith in their party - no one in that party has done any work (Labour). May as well call it the scholarship party.

All well and fine , UNLESS you have been "advised " on the style of economy

ever wondered why , "rail" isnt funded , when places like london and japan would simply cease to function without it, or why things have become privatised and even after the evedence is clear it doesnt work , they still sell off mighty river or why we just cant return to the old electricity board??,,,,

well actually there was really no choice, the finacial playing field changed, NZ being not more than a pimple on the arse end , really doesnt have any say

Our treasury is ., was and I hope will be quite responsible and actually quite good ( within the crap rules it has to play in) , it "advises " the whichever government takes the reins

If you want to see the future style of the government , look at the makeup of the treasury , if you Still dont believe me , start reading the budgets and statements of intent , you will see that policy laid down for years ahead , regardless of the make up the current or even future governments , ONE of those policies as I pointed out ( this thread or another not sure) , is for the sale of assets ...right through until 2017 ...

so if for some strange reason the Maori party becomes the next government , the assets will still be sold ........( dont believe me , Statement of intent , 2012-2017 )

Now to answer another question

Focus groups , yes I do have a problem , ,,IF ( and it does happen Mr Clinton 2nd term) get a focus group , bell curve largest voting block , find out what the want , sell it to em in the run up , then a bullshyt excuse and do a u turn ,,, NOW I have issues ( to be fair National didnt u turn they have always said they would sell and privatise ,,,,etc, they just rode rough shod over NZ and didnt tell the whole story .....a good example is welfare spending )

Finally , While I personally dont have issues with any of stupid thing they do , I do think that the current path we are on is unsustainable regardless of which side of the fence and we DO need to just say enough . AT SOME POINT we WILL have to ALL make some form of quite radical change ....

In the mean time carry on paying over the top for essencial services , I know you love to , ,,,600 bucks rego , oooh industrial lube one jar of please , My arse needs a reamin !!!!

Stephen

Oh sorry my bad , user pays, so every individual for themselves , sorry carry on ,,,silly me

[Akzle]

Bols Blackcurrent Gin in my days...or sometimes Chardon...

really puts the 'hard on' in chardon eh

:D

[Akzle]

meanwhile, nzs very own OBR. Liek 5 years ago.
But no cunt will moan about it until theyre declined a withdrawl.
Yay cypriot key!

[Banditbandit]

So are you saying the smartest are just as dumbests are stupid? e.g. balanced or bell-curved.
With or without all the retards?

Who was our anti-Rutherford? What freak-show was it with?

OK .. the Otis Intellegence test was set up so that on a Bell Curve a score of 100 was exactly on the median mark - and in a population of several million the average and the median are the same thing - it gives a near perfect Bell Curve with the peak at 100. That's the way it was built. In smaller groups the Bell curve might show differences, but in a large country-sized population it will not.

Ergo - 50% of the population are on the left side of the Bell curve and 50% of the population are on the right side of the Bell Curve

Ergo - 50% of the population is below average intellegence ...


But you are taking this way to seriously - it was intended as an amusing remark .. yes, It's arguable - as above ... the Otis test is also very flawed - so flawed it does not tell us anything real ... remember - I intended it as a funny remark - not necessarily a serious one ...

[Banditbandit]

Who was our anti-Rutherford? What freak-show was it with?


David Tua ("O for Awesome")?

Getting there ...


Nah he is more an Anti-William Hamilton. An anti-Rutherford would be a drooling veggie.

Oh yeah .. but how about


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTZyorJVeqI

[Banditbandit]

Ooooo .. how fascinating ... I know you meant this for someone else .. but I can't resist ...


Blind??

Please explain the similarities between the 1984 Labour Govt. and Muldoon’s regime.
One was the world’s only centralized Tory economy (carless days, MRP, Govt subsidies for industry, Think Big and tax everything)


Hmm .. I think Muldoon was one of the greatest Socialist leaders this country has ever seen ... second only to John A Lee ...



and the other was a Left Wing free economy experiment that is till unique in history.

Left wing ??? Totally rightwing neo-liberal ...


Were you stoned through the eighties?

Oh yeah ...


In jail?

Nearly ...


Sectioned?

Never close but maybe should have been ...

[Oscar]

Ooooo .. how fascinating ... I know you meant this for someone else .. but I can't resist ...



Hmm .. I think Muldoon was one of the greatest Socialist leaders this country has ever seen ... second only to John A Lee ...




Left wing ??? Totally rightwing neo-liberal ...



Oh yeah ...



Nearly ...

[QUOTESectioned?

Never close but maybe should have been ...[/QUOTE]

I was working with irony there - Muldoon the Commie Tory and Douglas the Thatcherite Socialist.

[Banditbandit]

1970's Date Rape :killingme

Didn't need such a thing - that was the pre-AIDS days ... women just fell over ...

[Oscar]

Didn't need such a thing - that was the pre-AIDS days ... women just fell over ...

When they saw my pony tail, flared trou and platform shoes, their knickers fell off...

[Banditbandit]

When they saw my pony tail, flared trou and platform shoes, their knickers fell off...

Exactly ...

[oldrider]

Never close but maybe should have been ...

I was working with irony there - Muldoon the Commie Tory and Douglas the Thatcherite Socialist.[/QUOTE]

True!

Notice how I never disagreed with any of your conclusions/observations ... simply asked that you relate to a higher plane!

All of them still end up with subjecting us (taxpayers) to higher costs, less freedoms and greater debt!

The method can change but the ultimate result is exactly the same!

It's been the same for as long as I can remember, irrespective of "who" the government is/was. :rolleyes:

[slofox]

1970's Date Rape :killingme

I don't recall anyone date raping me - no such luck.

[Oscar]

True!

Notice how I never disagreed with any of your conclusions/observations ... simply asked that you relate to a higher plane!

All of them still end up with subjecting us (taxpayers) to higher costs, less freedoms and greater debt!

The method can change but the ultimate result is exactly the same!

It's been the same for as long as I can remember, irrespective of "who" the government is/was. :rolleyes:

The higher plane you refer to is speculation, supposition and fairy tale, all based on your personal opinions.
There is simply no proof about what could have been...

Besides, if you take the long view (say 100 years), we are richer, healthier and have more freedoms than we ever did.

[Oscar]

I don't recall anyone date raping me - no such luck.

It's not too late Baby, what are you doing tonight....?:niceone:

[slofox]

It's not too late Baby, what are you doing tonight....?:niceone:

:rofl: :killingme: :rofl:

You prolly don't wanna know...

[oldrider]

Besides, if you take the long view (say 100 years), we are richer, healthier and have more freedoms than we ever did.

True but that's because of industry technical advancement and peoples endeavours not because of bloody politicians and political parties!

If anything they hold society back and keep progress strangled by their addiction to expensive debt money.

[Swoop]

I think that their popularity will rise in synch with a similar increase in the lefter Left...
Staying on the topic of poor leadership, I see Australia has become smarter and rid itself of that ginger moron from the PM's position.
Long overdue.


Take a hint Shearer :blip:

[oneofsix]

Staying on the topic of poor leadership, I see Australia has become smarter and rid itself of that ginger moron from the PM's position.
Long overdue.


Take a hint Shearer :blip:

:lol: do you understand how twisted your logic is? Now if the hint had been for donkey - but he's not a red head.

The Aussies at least had a reserve in the elected party, our best would be Norman and he's the wrong party.

[Swoop]

:lol: do you understand how twisted your logic is?
Shearer needs to stop pretending to be a "leader". A waste of space, certainly...

[oneofsix]

Shearer needs to stop pretending to be a "leader". A waste of space, certainly...

Maybe he is a real leader and not a front man :corn: :crazy:






who is this Shearer? and who would replace him?

[mashman]

Gotta larf... even SQL Server is catching on "Key not valid for use in specified state. You may not be authorized to access this information. This error occurs when there is a cryptographic error"

[Banditbandit]

The higher plane you refer to is speculation, supposition and fairy tale, all based on your personal opinions.
There is simply no proof about what could have been...

Besides, if you take the long view (say 100 years), we are richer, healthier and have more freedoms than we ever did.

I'm not too sure about the healthier bit .. obesity, diabetes, heart disease ... bowel cancer ... we may live longer .. but the next generation will not .. and we may be able to cure more diseases and shit - but are we healthier ???

I have yet to be convinced.

[Banditbandit]

Gotta larf... even SQL Server is catching on "Key not valid for use in specified state. You may not be authorized to access this information. This error occurs when there is a cryptographic error"

Sssshhh ... Though Police might be listening ..

[mashman]

The clash of ideology


True but that's because of industry technical advancement and peoples endeavours not because of bloody politicians and political parties!

If anything they hold society back and keep progress strangled by their addiction to expensive debt money.

Open to stopping the future from turning into the shithole it's heading for

v's


The higher plane you refer to is speculation, supposition and fairy tale, all based on your personal opinions.
There is simply no proof about what could have been...

Besides, if you take the long view (say 100 years), we are richer, healthier and have more freedoms than we ever did.

Denying the future based on "speculation, supposition and fairy tale" where the stock market is speculation, that the future is certain and finally disbelieving that which history has proven time and time again (i.e. once the TV was a fairy tale).

Moderately amusing.

[Oscar]

Denying the future based on "speculation, supposition and fairy tale" where the stock market is speculation, that the future is certain and finally disbelieving that which history has proven time and time again (i.e. once the TV was a fairy tale).

Moderately amusing.

You know the future do you?
You also don't believe in the lessons from history, you said so.

Try and keep your story straight and you won't look quite so stupid.

[mashman]

You know the future do you?
You also don't believe in the lessons from history, you said so.

Try and keep your story straight and you won't look quite so stupid.

No. Do you?
Did I? or did you translate what I said as you decided it was meant as per usual? I look at the present and it isn't hard to guess the history, the details are irrelevant given they have not been learned from. So simple, even you should be able to understand that.

My story is straight sunshine... however your translation leaves a lot to be desired.

[Oscar]

No. Do you?

My story is straight sunshine...

Maybe you should stick to fairy stories - you'd be good at them.

[mashman]

You know the future do you?

So you don't then? Hypocrite.

[puddytat]

Staying on the topic of poor leadership, I see Australia has become smarter and rid itself of that ginger moron from the PM's position.
Long overdue.


Take a hint Shearer :blip:


:lol: do you understand how twisted your logic is? Now if the hint had been for donkey - but he's not a red head.

The Aussies at least had a reserve in the elected party, our best would be Norman and he's the wrong party.

I reckon the best new Leader for the Labour Party would be a Green Ginga.....

[Oscar]

So you don't then? Hypocrite.

You idiot.
You can't even keep track of the random crap you spout.

[mashman]

You idiot.
You can't even keep track of the random crap you spout.

And you can't answer simple questions or understand simple concepts... ironic that you call me the idiot.

[Oscar]

And you can't answer simple questions or understand simple concepts... ironic that you call me the idiot.

Tell us again that you have no use for history.
Liar.

[mashman]

Tell us again that you have no use for history.
Liar.

So yet again you have nothing.

[Brian d marge]

And you can't answer simple questions or understand simple concepts... ironic that you call me the idiot.
Dont go calling Oscar an idiot , he is just frightened thats all , ya can blame him if his comfort Zone doesnt make any sense any more !


Stephen

[Oscar]

So yet again you have nothing.

I have nothing to add to your nonsensical and contradictory ravings, if that's what you mean.
Tell us again how you don’t believe in history.
Or come back when you've got your story straight.
Moron.

[Oscar]

Dont go calling Oscar an idiot , he is just frightened thats all , ya can blame him if his comfort Zone doesnt make any sense any more !


Stephen

Frightened?
Why would I be frightened?
Life is good, the sun is shining and I bought another bike.
My only problem now is that I'm running out of workshop space.

[oldrider]

I reckon the best new Leader for the Labour Party would be a Green Ginga.....

It appears that Shearer has done more for the Green party advancement than all of the green members from day one! :wacko:

[Oscar]

It appears that Shearer has done more for the Green party advancement than all of the green members from day one! :wacko:

Yup. Getting cosy with the Greens (and NZ First) has done much for the minor parties and nought for Labour.
Shearer should shoot his strategist...

[mashman]

Dont go calling Oscar an idiot , he is just frightened thats all , ya can blame him if his comfort Zone doesnt make any sense any more !


Stephen

So chicken shit white muthafucka wouldn't be out of place?


I have nothing to add to your nonsensical and contradictory ravings, if that's what you mean.
Tell us again how you don’t believe in history.
Or come back when you've got your story straight.
Moron.

You had nothing to start with.
History is not a great teacher given that we haven't learned from it. I get far more information looking at the present without the tainted bias of the history that led us to this current point in time, something you are incapable of achieving (I r more evolved than you). History makes for some interesting stories/fairy tale's, I have no use for it otherwise. The future should be based on what is possible and providing solutions to the current issues, with very little need, if any, to refer to what has been tried before. New rules allround.

You got my story straight yet ya chicken shit white muthafucka?

[Oscar]

You got my story straight yet ya chicken shit white muthafucka?

Jeez, I had no idea you were such a tough guy.
I'll bet after writing that, you threw your right hand roughly on the bed and had your way with it..

[mashman]

Jeez, I had no idea you were such a tough guy.
I'll bet after writing that, you threw your right hand roughly on the bed and had your way with it..

:yawn: so nothing again then. Don't be scared, use your words and not those you stole from the local kindergarten.

[Oscar]

:yawn: so nothing again then. Don't be scared, use your words and not those you stole from the local kindergarten.

Go on, talk dirty again Tough Guy, you're making me hard...



...you're a real interweb warrior, ain't you.

[Brian d marge]

Frightened?
Why would I be frightened?
Life is good, the sun is shining and I bought another bike.
My only problem now is that I'm running out of workshop space.

So while you are enjoying the fruits of "status Quo"

it could all change in a heartbeat,

Stephen

[mashman]

Go on, talk dirty again Tough Guy, you're making me hard...

...you're a real interweb warrior, ain't you.

When are you next in Wellie?

[Oscar]

So while you are enjoying the fruits of "status Quo"

it could all change in a heartbeat,

Stephen

You correct, we are all one heartbeat away from darkness.
But until then I will enjoy the fruits of my labour.

[Oscar]

When are you next in Wellie?

Are you calling me out?
I think I just wet myself...

[mashman]

Are you calling me out?
I think I just wet myself...

Take you out, not take you out.

[Akzle]

:corn:

you guys are just too muchery...


but seriously. fuck off osk.

[Oscar]

:corn:

you guys are just too muchery...


but seriously. fuck off osk.

Why?

is this your forum?

[Oscar]

Take you out, not take you out.

OK, but I warn you, I don't put out on the first date.

[scissorhands]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--IqqusnNQ

[oldrider]

Yup. Getting cosy with the Greens (and NZ First) has done much for the minor parties and nought for Labour.
Shearer should shoot his strategist...

True!

Actually I have been rather enjoying the National / Maori party working together in office, it is certainly a huge improvement to Maori cosying up "under" Labour!

Maori (collectively) have become more "actively" involved politically (include Hone in that) and are doing it on their own terms now. (I like that)

If I could, I would go on the Maori roll just so that I could support the Maori party! http://www.elections.org.nz/events/meo-2013/who-can-take-part

[mashman]

OK, but I warn you, I don't put out on the first date.

Tis amusing that you believe you'd have an option.

[Oscar]

True!

Actually I have been rather enjoying the National / Maori party working together in office, it is certainly a huge improvement to Maori cosying up "under" Labour!

Maori (collectively) have become more "actively" involved politically (include Hone in that) and are doing it on their own terms now. (I like that)

If I could, I would go on the Maori roll just so that I could support the Maori party! http://www.elections.org.nz/events/meo-2013/who-can-take-part

Good point.
I have never understood the relationship between Labour and Maori over the years.
Maori don't seem to get much out of it.

[Oscar]

Tis amusing that you believe you'd have an option.

So where are we going, Dear?

[mashman]

So where are we going, Dear?

The Backbencher

[Oscar]

The Backbencher

Does it have topless waitresses?

[oneofsix]

Does it have topless waitresses?

Gerry Brownlee :corn:

[Oscar]

Gerry Brownlee :corn:

You preeck - i spat coffee on my keyboard.

[mashman]

Does it have topless waitresses?

You're looking for a change in career then... TBH, even if they do you wouldn't get a job as there will already be plenty of big tits there.

[Brian d marge]

snip

Maori (collectively) have become more "actively" involved politically (include Hone in that) and are doing it on their own terms now. (I like that)

If I could, I would go on the Maori roll just so that I could support the Maori party! http://www.elections.org.nz/events/meo-2013/who-can-take-part

Me to , I hope they become a "force " to be reckoned with in the not so near future , and start "advising " the advisors!!!

Stephen

[mashman]

Key disagrees with tracking journalists (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/17787169/key-disagrees-with-tracking-journalists/)

Prolly coz the US will let him know

US seizure of journalist records called 'chilling' (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/technology/17674216/us-seizure-of-journalist-records-called-chilling/)

[puddytat]

Rather damning report on the GCSB by the Human Rights Commission....& bully boy bites straight back at 'em with threats.

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/07/13/russel-norman-wins-john-key-is-worse-than-muldoon/
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/07/11/the-real-reason-for-the-gcsb-bill/#comment-62951

[avgas]

The devil you know or the once that you don't?
- A guide to voting in New Zealand

[gwigs]

284935

John Key Translations....:killingme:killingme

[oldrider]

284935

John Key (read political) Translations....:killingme:killingme

Reads like a report card on every government I can remember since WW2 in the 1940's, starting with Liarbour! ... Nothing much ever changes! :rolleyes:

[blue rider]

this might be a double up, but t'was so funny it could be watched a second time....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/8906833/German-artist-protests-US-Stasi


A German artist who beamed the words "United Stasi of America" onto the wall of the US embassy in Berlin along with an image of New Zealand-based internet entrepreneur Kim Dotcom, says Washington's spy methods make the former East German secret police look like boy scouts



http://makanaka.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/der_spiegel-usa_spying_4bw.jpg

If you have nothing to hide, you needn't worry about whistleblowers!

[blue rider]

actually the guys in berlin got it wrong. It should be the United States of Stasi on Steroids


http://falkvinge.net/2013/07/05/stasi-vs-the-u-s-nsa-back-to-back-whos-worse-and-by-how-much/


interesting reading with nice and easy visuals :laugh:

[SPman]

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/into-silent-darkness.html

[Brian d marge]

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Stephen