The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[Ocean1]

I don't understand why education funding can't be tuned a bit.
For example, the idea that some graduates can't be given the opportunity to reduce their loans by helping where there are shortages of that occupation.
Doctors and Teachers in out of the way places are a good example.

Which is how it works in Aus. Financial help with medical studies in exchange for the health dept. choosing your first few years placements. Invariably rural towns. I can confirm it makes for well tuned nurses.

Used to be things here called cadetships that worked similarly.

[Ocean1]

I'm sorry - but that is a massive judgement - and it is wrong.

As I have repeatedly said - I earn what I think is an obscene amount of money - and I certainly pay tax in the highest tax bracket.

I have just turned down a job with higher pay - I value my sanity, freedom and my relatively stress-free lifestyle more than I value the money to make me "rich" ...

I have certainly achieved more in this life than I expected too ... I believe I leave a richer legacy than simply money ..

I reject your assumptions of "achievement" ... my value base is quite different to yours ...

(And no, I don't hate "rich pricks" I hate the system that allows such an uneven distribution of wealth ...)

Meh. You sound like a duck, walk like a duck...

And have the usual duck's idea of what uneven wealth distribution represents.

[mashman]

...and there we have it - Internet Tourette's Syndrome.
Poor Lamb.

Not really. Just taking in the funny shows.

[oldrider]

Back when I were ' lad, people who wanted to teach were put through University and training college by the government - then, all they had to do was teach for X number of years, (5?) and the cost of their education was wiped. Of course, if you didn't fulfill the obligations of the bond, you had to pay everything back (I know of one girl who did that - ran off and married a possum trapper in her last semester at uni.....:facepalm:)

It always seemed like a good scheme to me - wonder why it was dropped - probably Roger Douglas and his band of hell hounds.......

Least we forget that Roger Douglas and his hell hounds would never ever have have aquired control over our treasury benches was it not for:

The greatest socialist prime minister New Zealand ever produced "ROB MULDOON"! :facepalm:

Rob Muldoon who bankrupted the country and left his mess to Douglas and company to clean up! ... The only time that Labour ever did anything worthwhile. :doh:

[Brian d marge]

Not quite but its never a good idea to let a pisshead run a country

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[Brian d marge]

Borrow money and you get urged to follow sound economics
Does the student loan go on the books as a debt or an asset?

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[oldrider]

Borrow money and you get urged to follow sound economics
Does the student loan go on the books as a debt or an asset?

Perhaps a "liability"? :shifty:

[Brian d marge]

Perhaps a "liability"? :shifty:

I know my one was

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[blue rider]

Mrs. Judith Collins is working hard to protect us from ourselfs :)

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2013/0168/latest/DLM5711810.html


be careful what ya says on ze intertubes, or else one might end up in the box for up to two years. Yeeha!

[Akzle]

Mrs. Judith Collins is working hard to protect us from ourselfs :)

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2013/0168/latest/DLM5711810.html


be careful what ya says on ze intertubes, or else one might end up in the box for up to two years. Yeeha!

page one.
'act binds the crown'

-not me.
-not you.
No cunt. Except liz. And jews of a judgeylawerycop kind of variety.
Fucking irrelevent. Next.

[blue rider]

page one.
'act binds the crown'

-not me.
-not you.
No cunt. Except liz. And jews of a judgeylawerycop kind of variety.
Fucking irrelevent. Next.



http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11266589

;)

what can i say, i am easily amused, and i don't seem to understand you english. Must be my pussynessness.

[Brian d marge]

As a resident non-citizen I had to pay for my own University courses.

Well it was either one and a half guineas , government funded ( the university asked and got , then allocated ) or teachers training which im not sure about

bottom line it was an elite education ( uni) aimed at a few and cheaper than todays students pay ( the funding structure completely changed)


so unless one and a half guineas was a good down payment on a house ( like the 30 ,40k or more ) current student owe........................


The whole student loan thing was a badly thought out knee jerk reaction to an american scam thought up in chicago

If I make an agreement with someone and I borrow some money , I pay it back .period

if the other party keeps changing the loan terms during the period of that loan they ( as far as Im concerned ) have failed to honour the agreement and the contract ceases with the original amount only, due .

IMHO

Stephen

[BoristheBiter]

page one.
'act binds the crown'

-not me.
-not you.
No cunt. Except liz. And jews of a judgeylawerycop kind of variety.
Fucking irrelevent. Next.

irrelevance never stops you coming back.

[awa355]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11266589

;)

what can i say, i am easily amused, and i don't seem to understand you english. Must be my pussynessness.

Interesting to know what their interpretation of " harm " is.

" Under the proposed Bill someone who causes harm by posting a digital communication commits an offence if:

(a) the person posts a digital communication with the intention that it cause harm to a victim; and

(b) posting the communication would cause harm to an ordinary reasonable person in the position of the victim;

and

(c) posting the communication causes harm to the victim."

Would fuck KB if it covers someone becoming upset. :weep::weep:

[Oscar]

If I make an agreement with someone and I borrow some money , I pay it back .period

if the other party keeps changing the loan terms during the period of that loan they ( as far as Im concerned ) have failed to honour the agreement and the contract ceases with the original amount only, due .

IMHO

Stephen

So what about students who take the money and fuck off overseas?

[Banditbandit]

So what about students who take the money and fuck off overseas?



And which country did you "fuck off" from to come here??? (kettles and pots???)

[Oscar]

And which country did you "fuck off" from to come here??? (kettles and pots???)


Oh yeah, I fucked off from Aussie aged 7.
Been paying taxes in this country since 1977.

[Banditbandit]

Oh yeah, I fucked off from Aussie aged 7.
Been paying taxes in this country since 1977.

OK ... so not pots and kettles ... (and you probably had no choice aged 7) ... at least Oz only spent two years money on your education, and we've been able to pick up the pieces and correct that .

[Banditbandit]

Meh. You sound like a duck, walk like a duck...

And have the usual duck's idea of what uneven wealth distribution represents.

"You must spread ..." :killingme :clap: :laugh: :rofl:

[Akzle]

So what about students who take the money and fuck off overseas?

surely the govt would have jewsurance against such an eventuality.

[Oscar]

OK ... so not pots and kettles ... (and you probably had no choice aged 7) ... at least Oz only spent two years money on your education, and we've been able to pick up the pieces and correct that .

The Aussies don't (didn't?) start school until six.

[HenryDorsetCase]

page one.
'act binds the crown'

-not me.
-not you.
No cunt. Except liz. And jews of a judgeylawerycop kind of variety.
Fucking irrelevent. Next.

are you serious? do you actually think that a piece of legislation that says "This Act binds the Crown" therefore binds ONLY the crown and no one else? because that is ludicrous. Also wrong. It binds the people of UnZud (of which presumably, you is one - yes, white, brown, blue green, even troll flavoured - you are one) AND the crown. The specific inclusion is (if I recall correctly) to do with the system of lors and gubblemunt we inherited from the British. The thought was that because (originally) executive power flowed from god, through jeebus to the crown, then the crown was clearly not bound by legislation. Because, you know, it could decide not to be. Of course as any student of history knows, a lot has changed since then. Magna Carta and whatnot.

TL;DR: you're wrong.

[mashman]

are you serious? do you actually think that a piece of legislation that says "This Act binds the Crown" therefore binds ONLY the crown and no one else? because that is ludicrous. Also wrong. It binds the people of UnZud (of which presumably, you is one - yes, white, brown, blue green, even troll flavoured - you are one) AND the crown. The specific inclusion is (if I recall correctly) to do with the system of lors and gubblemunt we inherited from the British. The thought was that because (originally) executive power flowed from god, through jeebus to the crown, then the crown was clearly not bound by legislation. Because, you know, it could decide not to be. Of course as any student of history knows, a lot has changed since then. Magna Carta and whatnot.

TL;DR: you're wrong.

Sounds a little fascist to me... and what if you are not subject to the crown?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sounds a little fascist to me... and what if you are not subject to the crown?

If you think you arent, I suggest you go and piss on the Governor General's shoes. That will demonstrate to you the might of the British Empire, to which you are subject. Either Jerry will knock you on your arse himself (double hard bastard, don't doubt that for a second) or one of his minions will.

Do you clowns even know what fascism is? because where we live is not it. Just a clue there.

[bogan]

Do you clowns even know what fascism is?

A buzzword sheeple use when they want more handouts?

[oldrider]

Do you clowns even know what fascism is? because where we live is not it. Just a clue there.

Fascism 101 for dummies! ... http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html :hitcher: ... (Dummy reference is to self!)

[Akzle]

are you serious? do you actually think that a piece of legislation that says "This Act binds the Crown" therefore binds ONLY the crown and no one else? because that is ludicrous. Also wrong. It binds the people of UnZud (of which presumably, you is one - yes, white, brown, blue green, even troll flavoured - you are one) AND the crown. The specific inclusion is (if I recall correctly) to do with the system of lors and gubblemunt we inherited from the British. The thought was that because (originally) executive power flowed from god, through jeebus to the crown, then the crown was clearly not bound by legislation. Because, you know, it could decide not to be. Of course as any student of history knows, a lot has changed since then. Magna Carta and whatnot.

TL;DR: you're wrong.
see.
you've been taught backwards, and apparently lack the intelligence to question it.

my power comes from god. if anyone thinks they somehow have a contract placing themselves between myself and godself, well, let them show it.
it'll need to be signed by a) me and/or b) god
good luck.

i'm continually amazed at what people accept as "normal", fully grown men (of a rich white jew variety) playing dressups and saying a shit load of funny words??? that's an occupation?

fucken got over that shit when i stopped having d&d parties in mum's basement.

i wasn't allowed cola because it would make me hyper... but i got my mate dave, otherwise known as belthezaar the strong, to smuggle me in a can though, yeehaaaa, shit will have you up all night!
it did lead to the later-to-be-unfortunate name axlord the enthusiastic.
unfortunate because it was picked up by my girlfriends and posted on facebook, while mocking my premature ejacu///

but since we're on a lawyer-jew-debate-off.
what exactly is a person, and what exactly is new zealand?


A buzzword sheeple use when they want more handouts?

fuck, where can i exchange my low opinion of your society for some handouts, i want me some!

[BoristheBiter]

see.

my power comes from god.
!

I had wondered why you are a limp wristed twat, stands to reason now.:killingme

[Voltaire]

New Zealand is a country that has been occupied by a foreign national for 200 years. legitimised by a 'treaty' a friggen big Navy and Army.
The whole Crown thing is well past its best by date. The British should be forking out for Treaty Settlements too, they were hardly invited to take over.
On the other hand, if it had not been the British the Dutch or French would have come here and the locals would be even less better off.

[Oscar]

New Zealand is a country that has been occupied by a foreign national for 200 years. legitimised by a 'treaty' a friggen big Navy and Army.
The whole Crown thing is well past its best by date. The British should be forking out for Treaty Settlements too, they were hardly invited to take over.
On the other hand, if it had not been the British the Dutch or French would have come here and the locals would be even less better off.

Er..I think you'll find the "crown" in question is now that relating to the Queen of New Zealand, not of the United Kingdom.

[Akzle]

Er..I think you'll find the "crown" in question is now that relating to the Queen of New Zealand, not of the United Kingdom.
or perhaps the US incorporated company called "the crown in right of new zealand"...
but, carry on with your story...

the locals would be even less better off.

that's a matter of opinion

[Oscar]

or perhaps the US incorporated company called "the crown in right of new zealand"...
but, carry on with your story...


that's a matter of opinion

The fact that the Maori made their treaty with the Crown is one of the things that stops us moving on, constitutionally.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Er..I think you'll find the "crown" in question is now that relating to the Queen of New Zealand, not of the United Kingdom.

Your point, presumably, being that for official purposes they are the same actual person fulfilling two different constitutional roles in two separate countries?

[Voltaire]

Er..I think you'll find the "crown" in question is now that relating to the Queen of New Zealand, not of the United Kingdom.

They can write what they like of bits of paper, still part of the Commonwealth for whats thats worth....

Nice that they send the Grandkids down to see us from time time :lol: Kates got a nice arse.

[HenryDorsetCase]

see.
1. you've been taught backwards, and apparently lack the intelligence to question it.

2. what exactly is a person, and what exactly is new zealand?
!

1. well clearly.
2. I have no clue. Please enlighten me.

upvote for "Lord Axlerod the Over-enthusiastic" though.

[mashman]

If you think you arent, I suggest you go and piss on the Governor General's shoes. That will demonstrate to you the might of the British Empire, to which you are subject. Either Jerry will knock you on your arse himself (double hard bastard, don't doubt that for a second) or one of his minions will.

Do you clowns even know what fascism is? because where we live is not it. Just a clue there.

I'll pick and choose my time for explaining how much of a subject I'm not to whatever official decides to bring society's law against me. I don't recognise the crown. It can fuck right off along with as many subjects who deem themselves to be beholden to some pseudo-bureaucratic as possible. Your idea has merit and I will consider it :D.

Anything that requires a law is fascism. Anything other than that is bullshit mumbo jumbo that some fascist retarded fuck wrote down in order for 121 people to ummm and ahhhhhh over before calling it a law of society. The crown might own you, but they don't own me, they only own the corporate they "created" without my consent when I was born. Given that, I fail to see how they can deem themselves as representing my physical being when they clearly don't, because I do.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'll pick and choose my time for explaining how much of a subject I'm not to whatever official decides to bring society's law against me. I don't recognise the crown. It can fuck right off along with as many subjects who deem themselves to be beholden to some pseudo-bureaucratic as possible. Your idea has merit and I will consider it :D.

Anything that requires a law is fascism. Anything other than that is bullshit mumbo jumbo that some fascist retarded fuck wrote down in order for 121 people to ummm and ahhhhhh over before calling it a law of society. The crown might own you, but they don't own me, they only own the corporate they "created" without my consent when I was born. Given that, I fail to see how they can deem themselves as representing my physical being when they clearly don't, because I do.
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As Mr Axlerod the Over-enthusiastic has pointed out, I am none too bright, and did not understand your submission.

[Oscar]

Your point, presumably, being that for official purposes they are the same actual person fulfilling two different constitutional roles in two separate countries?

For the record, I think it is stupid, but yes, there is a constitutional difference between the Queen of England and the Queen of NZ, despite it being the same person.

Personally, I don't understand why we just don't change the title of our Head of State from "Monarch" to "President", ditch the Queen and apply the title President to the Gov. General.

[Oscar]

I'll pick and choose my time for explaining how much of a subject I'm not to whatever official decides to bring society's law against me. I don't recognise the crown. It can fuck right off along with as many subjects who deem themselves to be beholden to some pseudo-bureaucratic as possible. Your idea has merit and I will consider it :D.

Anything that requires a law is fascism. Anything other than that is bullshit mumbo jumbo that some fascist retarded fuck wrote down in order for 121 people to ummm and ahhhhhh over before calling it a law of society. The crown might own you, but they don't own me, they only own the corporate they "created" without my consent when I was born. Given that, I fail to see how they can deem themselves as representing my physical being when they clearly don't, because I do.

..and yet you use the hospitals, schools (although there is plenty of evidence that you dodged a decent education) roads, own property and generally avail yourself of the trappings of a democracy.

Why don't you trot along to Parliament, walk into the Chamber and loudly declare your beliefs whilst buggering the Speaker?
Or are you just an internet anarchist, an onanist warrior or a common or garden blowhard?

[Akzle]

The fact that the Maori made their treaty with the Crown is one of the things that stops us moving on, constitutionally.
there is no constitution. by which it could be constitutionally stopping any shit....



did not understand your submission.

no. you have no standing, and i expect, nor was he submitting shit to you.


come on lawyerjew, it sais it in your jewscript. this is like an open book exam...
what is a person, and what is new zealand?

[Oscar]

there is no constitution. by which it could be constitutionally stopping any shit....





Firstly, a constitution is the system by which a state is governed. It can be based on precedent and doesn’t need to be written or codified.
Secondly, the use of the expression “constitutionally speaking” in this case referred to the lack of a constitution, which is caused by the reluctance of Maori to change their relationship with the Crown through the Treaty of Waitangi.

[HenryDorsetCase]

For the record, I think it is stupid, but yes, there is a constitutional difference between the Queen of England and the Queen of NZ, despite it being the same person.

Personally, I don't understand why we just don't change the title of our Head of State from "Monarch" to "President", ditch the Queen and apply the title President to the Gov. General.

I would be jiggy with that. I don't approve of electing the person to hold that office though. I have become more favourable toward the monarchy as I have aged: principally because of my almost complete distrust of politicians. So I don't want to elect someone because they WANT the job. The Royales at least have had concepts of duty and service drilled into them from in utero onward. Having said that, given the way we split our executive, legislative and judicial roles in this country, I acknowlege that electing a President who is a Governor General equivalent (with not much* in the way of actual power - stark contrast with a US president) might not be an issue. Particularly if we get people of the calibre of Paul Reeves, Jerry Mataparae etc.

*I guess we could ask Geoff Whitlam about that, right?

[HenryDorsetCase]

come on lawyerjew, it sais it in your jewscript. this is like an open book exam...
what is a person, and what is new zealand?

It ain;t like no open book exam I ever took.

I am a person.

I can see New Zealand from my house.

[oldrider]

it'll need to be signed by a) me and/or b) god.

I told you Akzle ... I am not signing anything until after the election! : God! :oi-grr:

[oldrider]

Firstly, a constitution is the system by which a state is governed. It can be based on precedent and doesn’t need to be written or codified.
Secondly, the use of the expression “constitutionally speaking” in this case referred to the lack of a constitution, which is caused by the reluctance of Maori to change their relationship with the Crown through the Treaty of Waitangi.

Maori need the treaty like Zionism needs persecution! ... Without it they are just like anybody else - these things are their worldly points of difference!

Because of that don't expect these things to ever change! :no:

[Akzle]

It ain;t like no open book exam I ever took.

I am a person.

I can see New Zealand from my house.

you're am person.
well, bum luck, but your choice.

i have an ocean view too.

[Brian d marge]

page one.
'act binds the crown'

-not me.
-not you.
No cunt. Except liz. And jews of a judgeylawerycop kind of variety.
Fucking irrelevent. Next.


So what about students who take the money and fuck off overseas?

Do they have intention to pay it back
If not the contract is broken
Stephen

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[Winston001]

"This Act binds the Crown"...

The specific inclusion is (if I recall correctly) to do with the system of lors and gubblemunt we inherited from the British. The thought was that because (originally) executive power flowed from god, through jeebus to the crown, then the crown was clearly not bound by legislation.



And you do recall correctly - jellybean for you after class. :D

All law stems from the Crown. In a republic it is called sovereignty and stems from the state. No difference.

Until very recently the Crown was exempt from Acts of Parliament with the result that government departments and ministries did not pay local authority rates, did not get building permits, and paid no tax. We have Geoffrey Palmer to thank for changing our laws to bind the Crown.

Well done that man.

[Winston001]

Personally, I don't understand why we just don't change the title of our Head of State from "Monarch" to "President", ditch the Queen and apply the title President to the Gov. General.

HDC has beaten me to it but the general answer is- Politics. Republics have elections for Presidents and Vice-Presidents. They have power and influence, a whole staff structure, residences and vehicles etc etc and are politically motivated.

By comparison the Crown is remote and apolitical. Neutral. And cheap.

Think of it like this:

President James Bolger

President Helen Clark

President David Cunliffe

President Jerry Brownlee - ok enough I feel ill. :wacko:

[mashman]

As Mr Axlerod the Over-enthusiastic has pointed out, I am none too bright, and did not understand your submission.

:rofl: makes sense to me :D. Basically, I am an individual and answer to no man but myself. The corporate person that was created at my berth is not of my creation, therefore I, as the spirit inhabiting this body (choose your own, but that's mine), am not beholden to the crown in any way shape or form. I use lower case crown for a reason. I speak some form of english, aplopogies.

Basically, I was born with a right to every single thing on this planet without any "charge", why the fuck should I bow to any man (my choice), let alone some faux system that believes that it represents me? Ya dumb fuck.

[bogan]

:rofl: makes sense to me :D. Basically, I am an individual and answer to no man but myself. The corporate person that was created at my berth is not of my creation, therefore I, as the spirit inhabiting this body (choose your own, but that's mine), am not beholden to the crown in any way shape or form. I use lower case crown for a reason. I speak some form of english, aplopogies.

Basically, I was born with a right to every single thing on this planet without any "charge", why the fuck should I bow to any man (my choice), let alone some faux system that believes that it represents me? Ya dumb fuck.

Wow, it's like the curious case of Benjamin Button, but with the mind instead of body... Of course we are all beholden to the system which governs the society in which we are a part of. You don't want to bow to the system we all do, then fuck right off. Or try crossing it, go on, see what happens when you assert your right to every single thing on this planet without any charge :facepalm: but nope, seems the only thing you've got the balls to assert is your right to bleat on the internet; which funnily enough, is allowed by our constitution. So well done you rebel :laugh:

[oldrider]

For us the crown is cheap, the poms pay for it most of the time all we have to front up with is a governor general and the odd royal tour!

I don't know what the anti royalists are rabbiting on about ... and the privy council was cheaper than the cost of our useless new supreme court!

We pay for our own supreme court all the time not just when we use it!

We never had it so good the republicans are looking a gift horse in the mouth! :wacko:

[mashman]

..and yet you use the hospitals, schools (although there is plenty of evidence that you dodged a decent education) roads, own property and generally avail yourself of the trappings of a democracy.

Why don't you trot along to Parliament, walk into the Chamber and loudly declare your beliefs whilst buggering the Speaker?
Or are you just an internet anarchist, an onanist warrior or a common or garden blowhard?

I have a right to all of it. I am a human being that participates in your charade, I mean society, and will avail myself of what I will, as I can afford and choose (which is how it seems to work, foolishly). Or something like that. Democracy doesn't exist. Owning property? :killingme

I might well do that some day... apart from the anal.
I'm like nothing you will have ever encountered before by the sounds of it... and your list.

[Brian d marge]

Tapping this out on the phone
Hobbsian Reauseau or Diderot
The trouble is no man can go it alone we need community
Just the nature of our society ( if ya want to make beer ya need crops ) ...
The japanese have a highly developed society due to the nature of rice cultivation and their methods...... ours tended towards less people
So our society is more individualistic
Where the problems arise from is power and greed and the mindset that entrenches power greed and promotes the individual
The only things we had when we were born were time and freedom to breathe after that one starts to choose side in order survive and prosper
We need communitys but we dont need corruption and we certainly do not need corporate roman carolingian american empires ( The british were best )

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[mashman]

you're am person.
well, bum luck, but your choice.

i have an ocean view too.

Perfect sunrise armchairs too.

[mashman]

Wow, it's like the curious case of Benjamin Button, but with the mind instead of body... Of course we are all beholden to the system which governs the society in which we are a part of. You don't want to bow to the system we all do, then fuck right off. Or try crossing it, go on, see what happens when you assert your right to every single thing on this planet without any charge :facepalm: but nope, seems the only thing you've got the balls to assert is your right to bleat on the internet; which funnily enough, is allowed by our constitution. So well done you rebel :laugh:

I do what I choose to do. If I wanted to do something else I would. I will adhere to any rules that I deem fit irrespective of your opinion (majority or not) of how I should live MY life. The sooner you learn that responsibility the better imho... but I'll not be holding my breath. :yawn: to the rest, biiiiiig gaping fuckin :yawn:

[mashman]

Tapping this out on the phone
Hobbsian Reauseau or Diderot
The trouble is no man can go it alone we need community
Just the nature of our society
The japanese have a highly developed society due to the nature of rice cultivation and their methods ours tended towards less people
So our society is more individualistic
Where the problems arise from is power and greed and the mindset that entrenches power greed and promotes the individual
The only things we had when we were born were time and freedom to breathe after that one starts to choose side in order survive
We need communitys but we dont need corruption

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Individuality to law, not to Morality imho. Folk only have to be responsible de law, the rest is someone else's problem.

[bogan]

I do what I choose to do. If I wanted to do something else I would. I will adhere to any rules that I deem fit irrespective of your opinion (majority or not) of how I should live MY life. The sooner you learn that responsibility the better imho... but I'll not be holding my breath. :yawn: to the rest, biiiiiig gaping fuckin :yawn:

Mate, we've been round the mulberry bush enough to know there ain't shit you could tech me. Your idea of responsibility are akin to that of most spotty faced prepubescents; full of self righteous ignorance; speaking of which, sold any million dollar hammers lately? :killingme

[Brian d marge]

Individuality to law, not to Morality imho. Folk only have to be responsible de law, the rest is someone else's problem.

agreed but of whom did this morality come from ?

Mine are a bit ...errm loose, so one hope it wasnt mine that are used as the universal standard

Stephen

[mashman]

Mate, we've been round the mulberry bush enough to know there ain't shit you could tech me. Your idea of responsibility are akin to that of most spotty faced prepubescents; full of self righteous ignorance; speaking of which, sold any million dollar hammers lately? :killingme

:yawn: my idea of responsibility is that which you are incapable of feeling and/or understanding dear, so you telling me what my idea of responsibility is is not only laughable but underpins an ignorance seldom admitted. Bravo.

[mashman]

agreed but of whom did this morality come from ?

Mine are a bit ...errm loose, so one hope it wasnt mine that are used as the universal standard

Stephen

Morality is easy (basic respect for life that every other being on this planet displays). Don't fuck people over. The End.

Given what passes for morality these days, I'd take yours over many others... so the standard is your own to set/adopt.

[Oscar]

HDC has beaten me to it but the general answer is- Politics. Republics have elections for Presidents and Vice-Presidents. They have power and influence, a whole staff structure, residences and vehicles etc etc and are politically motivated.

By comparison the Crown is remote and apolitical. Neutral. And cheap.

Think of it like this:

President James Bolger

President Helen Clark

President David Cunliffe

President Jerry Brownlee - ok enough I feel ill. :wacko:

Who actually picks the GG?

[Oscar]

I have a right to all of it. I am a human being that participates in your charade, I mean society, and will avail myself of what I will, as I can afford and choose (which is how it seems to work, foolishly). Or something like that. Democracy doesn't exist. Owning property? :killingme

I might well do that some day... apart from the anal.
I'm like nothing you will have ever encountered before by the sounds of it... and your list.

Au contraire, mon ami, I meet blowhards who talk a good game all the time.
You moan and bitch about the system, yet you participate in the bits that you enjoy.
You say there's no democracy, but you don't vote, and more importantly have never attempted to put your views out there for consideration.
You hate democracy because you can't stand the thought that most people will reject your theories.

You think you know better, but apart from cluttering this forum, thinking is about all you do...

[Oscar]

Do they have intention to pay it back
If not the contract is broken
Stephen

Sent from my SC-01F using Tapatalk

So it's OK for me to stop paying my mortgage on the basis that I intend to pay it back one day?

[mashman]

Au contraire, mon ami, I meet blowhards who talk a good game all the time.
You moan and bitch about the system, yet you participate in the bits that you enjoy.
You say there's no democracy, but you don't vote, and more importantly have never attempted to put your views out there for consideration.
You hate democracy because you can't stand the thought that most people will reject your theories.

You think you know better, but apart from cluttering this forum, thinking is about all you do...

I'm sure you do...
So?
I have put my views out there for consideration. It takes time.
I hate democracy? :facepalm: Oh dear.

So?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Who actually picks the GG?

https://gg.govt.nz/role


Its quite fascinating to me. Basically this whole system evolved ad hoc over centuries. I am amazed constantly that it works as well as it does.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Au contraire, mon ami, I meet blowhards who talk a good game all the time.
You moan and bitch about the system, yet you participate in the bits that you enjoy.
You say there's no democracy, but you don't vote, and more importantly have never attempted to put your views out there for consideration.
You hate democracy because you can't stand the thought that most people will reject your theories.

You think you know better, but apart from cluttering this forum, thinking is about all you do...

well, thinking is a bit strong IMO. Because thinking implies rational consideration, and a possibility of an evolution or alteration of position. A lot of these numpties are about as much fun to argue with as religious zealots. Which is to say, not much at all.

[Voltaire]

HDC has beaten me to it but the general answer is- Politics. Republics have elections for Presidents and Vice-Presidents. They have power and influence, a whole staff structure, residences and vehicles etc etc and are politically motivated.

By comparison the Crown is remote and apolitical. Neutral. And cheap.

Think of it like this:

President James Bolger

President Helen Clark

President David Cunliffe

President Jerry Brownlee - ok enough I feel ill. :wacko:

Ireland is a Republic and they have a President but also a Prime Minister.
Are their any advantages in 'the crown"?
- saving us having to produce a new currency
- Flag is kinda Austin Powers cool
- um..... oh that stupid Privy Council.....its like going off and asking Mum when Dad says no.:lol:

[mashman]

well, thinking is a bit strong IMO. Because thinking implies rational consideration, and a possibility of an evolution or alteration of position. A lot of these numpties are about as much fun to argue with as religious zealots. Which is to say, not much at all.

:killingme @ no rational consideration... I've already changed my mind, therefore not only have I applied rational consideration, I would also class myself as having evolved and given that I have changed my mind, I have also altered my position. Basically, you're wrong and most likely not listening because you are incapable of thinking. Sweet irony.

The big difference, chum, is that I know both sides whereas you teeth gnashing oxygen stealing morons only know the 1 side and defend that one side from a position of complete ignorance. So, when you've contemplated and understood (which will require that you think) both sides, then you may well have an informed opinion instead of the usual KB platitude spewing fuckknucklness.

[HenryDorsetCase]

:killingme @ no rational consideration... I've already changed my mind, therefore not only have I applied rational consideration, I would also class myself as having evolved and given that I have changed my mind, I have also altered my position. Basically, you're wrong and most likely not listening because you are incapable of thinking. Sweet irony.

The big difference, chum, is that I know both sides whereas you teeth gnashing oxygen stealing morons only know the 1 side and defend that one side from a position of complete ignorance. So, when you've contemplated and understood (which will require that you think) both sides, then you may well have an informed opinion instead of the usual KB platitude spewing fuckknucklness.

Ad hominem does not make your "Argument" stronger. just saying.

I'll get back to gnashing my teeth and stealing your oxygen now.

The one thing I would say is that you libertarinist wonks entirely miss the point. Your philosophy would work if you were the last person alive in the world, or if all the other people who were alive shared your capacity, capability, skillset and outlook on life. You could all live together on an island, and not interact with anyone whose views differed from your own.

But society, and in particular modern society does not work that way. As, of course, you well know. So if we have people who need are less capable, for example the intellectually handicapped, they have no place in your society. because they cannot be self reliant and they never will.

What reasonable people do, and have done, is decided, on a society-wide level, "Well, we'll accept some diminution of our theoretical individual rights, on the basis that people less able than us get looked after." At heart, that is the social contract. Of course that system is flawed, of course there are exceptions and failures and omissions and all of that: it is a system which is run by and for people.

If your philosophy is so great, then why don't you live it? you do, after all, partake of its benefits, day in, day out. It is hypocrisy at its basest, and very distatsteful. It is also intellectually dishonest.

[oldrider]

- um..... oh that stupid Privy Council.....its like going off and asking Mum when Dad says no.:lol:

And the New Zealand Supreme Court is something different? ..................... How?

Except we have to pay for it even when we don't need it or are not using it, the poms do that for the privy council! :wacko:

[Brian d marge]

So it's OK for me to stop paying my mortgage on the basis that I intend to pay it back one day?


try it and see

that then becomes an issue between you and your bank and the time limit for not paying , one would assume , would be in the fine print of the document u signed

but the paying one and a half guineas back to victoria uni wouldnt require one to default I could imagine


Stephen

[Akzle]

Of course we are all beholden to the system which governs the society in which we are a part of.
we've been here before.
YOUR SOCIETY'S definitino of society, is one which requires mutual consent. (consideration and determination towards common goals.)
i do not consent, i do not considerate with your society, certainly then i don't determine, and i reject throughly the "goals" (money, jew shit, et al)
so, riddle me this, am i part of your society? am i governed? beholden?


You don't want to bow to the system we all do, then fuck right off. Or try crossing it, go on, see what happens when you assert your right to every single thing on this planet without any charge
mmm.
man> system. (first in time is best at law =P :headbang: ) so. no, if that were the case, the system should fuck off.



You say there's no democracy, but you don't vote,
surely, you have a right not to vote?
surely, you have a right to self determination, not to be forced to pick some fuckwit to make your decisions for you?
or is that not the case?


that most people will reject your theories.
ahh, many. i'd not say most just yet.
except that i'd say most people are ignorant, if not fucking stupid.


You think you know better, but apart from cluttering this forum, thinking is about all you do...
hey, i get a lot of masturbation done too.


So it's OK for me to stop paying my mortgage on the basis that I intend to pay it back one day?
no. althoughif you are interested in pursuing "not paying your mortgage, there are methods.



What reasonable people do, and have done, is decided, on a society-wide level, "Well, we'll accept some diminution of our theoretical individual rights, on the basis that people less able than us get looked after." At heart, that is the social contract. Of course that system is flawed, of course there are exceptions and failures and omissions and all of that: it is a system which is run by and for people.

If your philosophy is so great, then why don't you live it? you do, after all, partake of its benefits, day in, day out. It is hypocrisy at its basest, and very distatsteful. It is also intellectually dishonest.
i personally accept no diminution of my rights (as prescribed by god), for anyone, let alone retards. cold? darwinian?
boo fucking hoo, if i was part of your society, you'd have to accept my opinion, because not doing so is socially irresponsible. - see, that's the worst thing of it, is that in haveing a right to free speech, you have a duty to listen to others with serious consideration.
the former is exercised freely, the latter rarely.

i do "live it", not to the extent you might insist on, but certainly far greater than any societally invovled citizen, who has been brainwashed (much the same as you) to believe what you believe.

it started at school didn't it... you're only allowed to eat when the bell rings... this is your name, you must stand up when it is called.... don't question the higher authority... you've just carried it through to society wide fuckwittery, without question.

communism's : "from each according to his abiltiy, to each according to his need"
which is jew-enated to "from everyone, to the jews, and meet just enough of the need to stop them realising they're being fleeced and doing anything about it"


TL: DR?
fucken gews.

[bogan]

we've been here before.
YOUR SOCIETY'S definitino of society, is one which requires mutual consent. (consideration and determination towards common goals.)
i do not consent, i do not considerate with your society, certainly then i don't determine, and i reject throughly the "goals" (money, jew shit, et al)
so, riddle me this, am i part of your society? am i governed? beholden?

Yup, our society extends over all New Zealand lands. That you haven't specifically opted in is simply not relevant. Or to put it simply; you will be forced to comply with our society while you are here, because those doing the enforcing have the mandate of the people; constitutionally speaking.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Dear Mr Akzle.

Its not your society, or my society. It is OUR society. Even you, you wild and raging loner on the last bus out of nowhere city, with your copy of Atlas Shrugged in one hand and The Fountainhead in the otheer, even though you say you arent, you really are.

I have grown to really dislike your bigotry. That's it, we're done.

[Akzle]

Yup, our society extends over all New Zealand lands. That you haven't specifically opted in is simply not relevant. Or to put it simply; you will be forced to comply with our society while you are here, because those doing the enforcing have the mandate of the people; constitutionally speaking.

1) no constitution (fuck me, does it echo in here?)
2) mandate of the people eh... which people? and what choices were they given? not even half of those eligible to vote chose the current bunch, hardly a mandate. 100% of those who vote weren't given the option to set all the politicians on fire.
freedom of choice eh...


Dear Mr Akzle.

Its not your society, or my society. It is OUR society. Even you, you wild and raging loner on the last bus out of nowhere city, with your copy of Atlas Shrugged in one hand and The Fountainhead in the otheer, even though you say you arent, you really are.

I have grown to really dislike your bigotry. That's it, we're done.

thus neatly avoiding having to deal with any issues or questions raised.
top job.

[oldrider]

Yup, our society extends over all New Zealand lands. That you haven't specifically opted in is simply not relevant. Or to put it simply; you will be forced to comply with our society while you are here, because those doing the enforcing have the mandate of the people; constitutionally speaking.

Our society? ... You will be forced to comply! ... Because those doing the enforcing have the mandate of the people! ... Doesn't sound like a nice society! :oi-grr:

We need less government, less enforcement of meaningless laws, more cooperation between the people and the "elected enforcers" and more realisation that the elected enforcers actually work for the electors ... not the other way around!

Our society is actually very very sick and over my seventy four years I have observed consecutive government pretenders feeding the sickness rather than curing it!

Time to take OUR society back, we could begin by fostering positive thoughts and utterences of exactly what the "our society" looks like!

I guess we could start by respecting each others right to our individuality!

They say a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link so I guess we stop supporting our societies weakest link at our peril! :shifty:

[bogan]

1) no constitution (fuck me, does it echo in here?)
2) mandate of the people eh... which people? and what choices were they given? not even half of those eligible to vote chose the current bunch, hardly a mandate. 100% of those who vote weren't given the option to set all the politicians on fire.
freedom of choice eh...


Established precedents count, hence why I said constitutionally. We don't vote on the constitution or mandate to enforce it every three years. The mere act of going through a vote is compliance with it.


Our society? ... You will be forced to comply! ... Because those doing the enforcing have the mandate of the people! ... Doesn't sound like a nice society! :oi-grr:

We need less government, less enforcement of meaningless laws, more cooperation between the people and the "elected enforcers" and more realisation that the elected enforcers actually work for the electors ... not the other way around!

Our society is actually very very sick and over my seventy four years I have observed consecutive government pretenders feeding the sickness rather than curing it!

Time to take OUR society back, we could begin by fostering positive thoughts and utterences of exactly what the "our society" looks like!

I guess we could start by respecting each others right to our individuality!

They say a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link so I guess we stop supporting our societies weakest link at our peril! :shifty:

What would you prefer? criminals allowed to run amok because we lack the mandate to enforce order? The sounds decidedly even more un-nice.

We need better govt, sure, but so does everybody else. In terms of affecting positive change, I think we should focus on ensuring the govt represents the will and interests of the people; we are not too far gone that this is an insurmountable task, or that a more drastic action is required.

[Brian d marge]

Established precedents count, hence why I said constitutionally. We don't vote on the constitution or mandate to enforce it every three years. The mere act of going through a vote is compliance with it.



What would you prefer? criminals allowed to run amok because we lack the mandate to enforce order? The sounds decidedly even more un-nice.

We need better govt, sure, but so does everybody else. In terms of affecting positive change, I think we should focus on ensuring the govt represents the will and interests of the people; we are not too far gone that this is an insurmountable task, or that a more drastic action is required.

how does one go about being a criminal.

Stephen

[bogan]

how does one go about being a criminal.

Stephen

It's like that pickup line I heard the other day;

"Is your dad in jail?"
"What? No"
"Cos if I was your dad I'd be going to jail"

Ie, do something that society agrees is a criminal act.

[Akzle]

The mere act of going through a vote is compliance with it.
i do not vote. ergo....? i don't comply? i don't mandate?


What would you prefer? criminals allowed to run amok because we lack the mandate to enforce order? The sounds decidedly even more un-nice..
becuase the law stops so much crime right now..... :laugh:

fun facts with bob:
1) you cannot legislate against intent
2) you cannot legislate against accidents.

have fun.


how does one go about being a criminal.

Stephen

for a crime to have been commited, a party must be injured.

[bogan]

i do not vote. ergo....? i don't comply? i don't mandate?

I think you are under the illusion that it is all about you. Society goes through the voting process, members of society (which you are) can choose to vote or not (which you chose not to). The constitutional process has been performed, and mandates given.


becuase the law stops so much crime right now..... :laugh:

Yes, it does, obviously.

[Ocean1]

The one thing I would say is that you libertarinist wonks entirely miss the point.

What on Dog’s green earth gave you the idea mushmate was libertarian?

"Libertarianism (Latin: liber, free) is a classification of political philosophies that uphold liberty as a principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgment."

See, assuming entitlement to whatever the fuck you want on the basis that everything is yours by right from berth, (just… ‘cause) and blaming everyone else for not making that happen doesn’t really fit in there does it?

So what you’ve got there is a missive from one of the largest political groups from the other end of the spectrum: the “Want it all, now, and someone else can pay for it” outfit.


It is also intellectually dishonest.

No, no, give ‘im ‘is dues, he wants The Bin Man to be paid no less than a nuclear rocket surgeon, which is only a fair suck of the sav.

Or it would be if he was paying The Bin Man himself, rather than expecting all us nuclear rocket surgeons to pay him.

[Akzle]

I think you are under the illusion that it is all about you. Society goes through the voting process, members of society (which you are) can choose to vote or not (which you chose not to). The constitutional process has been performed, and mandates given.



Yes, it does, obviously.

again, you're relying on the premise that i AM part of society. Im not. By your society's definition, im not.
So, society can vote its ass off.
Has nothing to do with me.

So, how is it you continue to insist im part of society? (The same ignorance that perpetuates said society, i bet)

[bogan]

again, you're relying on the premise that i AM part of society. Im not. By your society's definition, im not.
So, society can vote its ass off.
Has nothing to do with me.

So, how is it you continue to insist im part of society? (The same ignorance that perpetuates said society, i bet)

Then you have read my definition wrong.

You say you're not? Try going out and pissing on a cops boots, try starting a weed farm, etc, etc, whether you (or we) like it or not, you are a part of our society; you live on our societies lands, you interact without society at an individual level etc etc.

[mashman]

Ad hominem does not make your "Argument" stronger. just saying.

Ignore it and stop being precious.



I'll get back to gnashing my teeth and stealing your oxygen now.

You have as much right to oxygen as I have :D and so does the black spastic quadriplegic baby down the road.



The one thing I would say is that you libertarinist wonks entirely miss the point. Your philosophy would work if you were the last person alive in the world, or if all the other people who were alive shared your capacity, capability, skillset and outlook on life. You could all live together on an island, and not interact with anyone whose views differed from your own.

But society, and in particular modern society does not work that way. As, of course, you well know. So if we have people who need are less capable, for example the intellectually handicapped, they have no place in your society. because they cannot be self reliant and they never will.

What reasonable people do, and have done, is decided, on a society-wide level, "Well, we'll accept some diminution of our theoretical individual rights, on the basis that people less able than us get looked after." At heart, that is the social contract. Of course that system is flawed, of course there are exceptions and failures and omissions and all of that: it is a system which is run by and for people.

If your philosophy is so great, then why don't you live it? you do, after all, partake of its benefits, day in, day out. It is hypocrisy at its basest, and very distatsteful. It is also intellectually dishonest.

Whilst there are characteristics of libertarianism in my "philosophy", luuuuuuve luuuve love dum de dum de dum, I'm not a libertarian. I'm a commy pinko hiding under yer bed cunt... allegedly.

It's quite simple. Everyone should be looked after based on need and not the amount of money that they have available to themselves. That covers a wide spectrum of everything.

I do live my philosophy (tis called day to day living). However my thoughts about the financial system are not philosophical ones, they're practical ones. It has to go. It has served it's purpose. Time for human beings to get their shit together and deal with everything without having to deal with anything that is financially related. Make no mistake, I spent 37 years immersed in your society, and it's shite given the tools available. It's uber shite in comparison to a Resource Based Economy and the society it would produce.

[mashman]

What on Dog’s green earth gave you the idea mushmate was libertarian?

"Libertarianism (Latin: liber, free) is a classification of political philosophies that uphold liberty as a principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgment."

See, assuming entitlement to whatever the fuck you want on the basis that everything is yours by right from berth, (just… ‘cause) and blaming everyone else for not making that happen doesn’t really fit in there does it?

So what you’ve got there is a missive from one of the largest political groups from the other end of the spectrum: the “Want it all, now, and someone else can pay for it” outfit.

:yawn: ding, next.



No, no, give ‘im ‘is dues, he wants The Bin Man to be paid no less than a nuclear rocket surgeon, which is only a fair suck of the sav.

Or it would be if he was paying The Bin Man himself, rather than expecting all us nuclear rocket surgeons to pay him.

There'll be no money for payment... :facepalm:

[Akzle]

Then you have read my definition wrong.

You say you're not? Try going out and pissing on a cops boots, try starting a weed farm, etc, etc, whether you (or we) like it or not, you are a part of our society; you live on our societies lands, you interact without society at an individual level etc etc.

ill type this slowly.
By
the
definition
your
society
must
accept
of
the
word
'society'
i
am
not
part
of
it.
I may farm a bit o weed, i have no interest in pissing on anyone.
Your society doesnt own land.
I do interact with people. I interact with communities.
And yes, as much as it frustrates and annoys me, i do interact with those enforcing society.

[bogan]

ill type this slowly.
By
the
definition
your
society
must
accept
of
the
word
'society'
i
am
not
part
of
it.
I may farm a bit o weed, i have no interest in pissing on anyone.
Your society doesnt own land.
I do interact with people. I interact with communities.
And yes, as much as it frustrates and annoys me, i do interact with those enforcing society.

I'd prefer reason to slow typing... Our society governs land, on which you reside, making you part of our society. Also, aren't you on the dole?

[Akzle]

I'd prefer reason to slow typing... Our society governs land, on which you reside, making you part of our society. Also, aren't you on the dole?

ahh, you've been sucked in by some old gits 'round here :laugh:

reason:
your society defines society, very specifically.
i do not fit that definition, emphatically.
you MUST accept, by the rules and definitions of your society, that i am not part of it.

nice that we've moved to the word governs over owns. but we can go one step further and add the word claims.
they CLAIM to have a right to do it.
i counter that they do not, and CLAIM that if, in fact, they do have some right between myself and my godly state, they must prove it - they must do this even under the regulations they have ordained.

getting it yet?

[bogan]

ahh, you've been sucked in by some old gits 'round here :laugh:

reason:
your society defines society, very specifically.
i do not fit that definition, emphatically.
you MUST accept, by the rules and definitions of your society, that i am not part of it.

nice that we've moved to the word governs over owns. but we can go one step further and add the word claims.
they CLAIM to have a right to do it.
i counter that they do not, and CLAIM that if, in fact, they do have some right between myself and my godly state, they must prove it - they must do this even under the regulations they have ordained.

getting it yet?

Interesting, now he is hiding behind word semantics (not that I even recall saying owns); instead of answering a very simple question about whether he accepts handouts (dole) from the very society he is not part of.

You need prove, try actually actively disagreeing with it instead of just being a keyboard warrior, you'll get all the proof you need.

[Akzle]

You need prove, try actually actively disagreeing with it instead of just being a keyboard warrior, you'll get all the proof you need.

oh i have proof and experience that cops are just as ignorant as you, on points of law (and legislation, at that).
i have experience being coerced into court, cop cars, illegal searches, illegal seizures (illegal as later proved - by their system)
i don't doubt for one second that they believe as you do, i have no doubt that they enforce it based on that belief (in ignorance).

my job is to reform and correct that belief.

legislation is 100% semantics.

you said "society OWNS the land", now you say, "society GOVERNS the land", perhaps, you use these interchangeably eh?

as to the first, i'll use the out provided by your very government:
"i can neither confirm nor deny the receipt or non-receipt of "the dole" or non-dole as the case may be, and can offer no further comment", or as some white folk might say "i can't recall"

[bogan]

you said "society OWNS the land", now you say, "society GOVERNS the land", perhaps, you use these interchangeably eh?

Did I? Are you sure of that?

I think your main point of failure is you think your claims outweigh you actions. By your actions you are most certainly a member of this society, though you claim otherwise as a cowardly way to avoid responsibility.

[Akzle]

Did I? Are you sure of that?

I think your main point of failure is you think your claims outweigh you actions. By your actions you are most certainly a member of this society, though you claim otherwise as a cowardly way to avoid responsibility.

quite. and i'm quite sure you have no comprehension of the extent of my action or inaction. (ergo, cannot judge my membership or non-membership)

very little content in your post bogey...

and pray, what responsibility am i avoiding?

[bogan]

quite. and i'm quite sure you have no comprehension of the extent of my action or inaction. (ergo, cannot judge my membership or non-membership)

very little content in your post bogey...

and pray, what responsibility am i avoiding?

And yet, when I search the thread there i no record of anyone but yourself saying that; oh well, guess sometimes confirmation bias just needs that little bit of a blatant lie to make it work eh!

Step one, stop taking handouts from the society you claim to not be part of. Let me know when you've got that action down and your point may lose just enough hypocrisy to be worth discussing in more depth.

[Akzle]

two for two, im doing well today. =)

[puddytat]

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/06/07/the-secret-of-nationals-success-revealed/

[Akzle]

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/06/07/the-secret-of-nationals-success-revealed/

CONTENT AMALGAMATION

this isnt even fucking STUFF. It hardly qualifies as stuff ABOUT stuff.
Fuck. I share the planet with these assholes!

[Winston001]

I do what I choose to do. If I wanted to do something else I would. I will adhere to any rules that I deem fit irrespective of your opinion (majority or not) of how I should live MY life. The sooner you learn that responsibility the better imho... but I'll not be holding my breath. :yawn: to the rest, biiiiiig gaping fuckin :yawn:

Oh don't be so silly Mashie. Of course you accord with societies rules. If your wife or daughter were assaulted you'd look to the police for help. If someone steals from you, its the police you go to.

If times are hard you apply for help from social welfare and there is no shame in that. We help each other.

If your family income is low you get income support from other people. You are not a Sovereign Man which by the way is a nonsense concept.

[Winston001]

reject throughly the "goals" (money, jew shit, et al)



fucken gews.

Ok. Enough is enough.

Akzle I have blinged you on occasion and generally accept your posts even if I don't agree.

But enough of the Jew nastiness please.

My wife is a jew, my children have a jewish tradition, and most of the family disappeared into the ovens at Auschwitz-Birkenau. We live with that reality daily.

[Brian d marge]

Oh don't be so silly Mashie. Of course you accord with societies rules. If your wife or daughter were assaulted you'd look to the police for help. If someone steals from you, its the police you go to.

If times are hard you apply for help from social welfare and there is no shame in that. We help each other.

If your family income is low you get income support from other people. You are not a Sovereign Man which by the way is a nonsense concept.

fk that lark , Im going into politiks ...Tweet a few pages of bolloxs, hand out a few flyiers , something about lesbians agains global warming for wimmin..

within a week 2 new bikes anda house in wellington

sorted

and if you all help me get in, Ill will make motorcycling free for the over 40s ( with a gold card) .... and a free visits to the clinic for women between 16 and 21 ( with big tits ) :crazy::gob:


No shame whatsoever !

Stephen

[Akzle]

Ok. Enough is enough.

Akzle I have blinged you on occasion and generally accept your posts even if I don't agree.

But enough of the Jew nastiness please.

My wife is a jew, my children have a jewish tradition, and most of the family disappeared into the ovens at Auschwitz-Birkenau. We live with that reality daily.

a jew, or just jewish?

Ive also started using gew, to differentiate further.
I really shouldnt have to explain this again.
No offence to your wife and kids.
...Unless theyre bankers, politicians or corporate types.

[unstuck]

Oh don't be so silly Mashie. Of course you accord with societies rules. If your wife or daughter were assaulted you'd look to the police for help. If someone steals from you, its the police you go to.

If times are hard you apply for help from social welfare and there is no shame in that. We help each other.

If your family income is low you get income support from other people. You are not a Sovereign Man which by the way is a nonsense concept.

Sorry mate, not this lad. When my daughter got assaulted, I kicked a few doors in. When my tools got stolen, I kicked more doors in and got all my tools back plus a little extra for my inconvenience(the thieves ended up phoning the police). If times are hard, I dig my heels in and make some opportunities for myself. If my income gets low, I do whatever I have to do to increase it. The police were involved in the first 2 examples, but effectively did nada, that is why I did something to put a stop to it. Sure it got me in a wee bit of strife, but I was prepared to accept responsibility for my actions. ;)

[oldrider]

Ok. Enough is enough.

Akzle I have blinged you on occasion and generally accept your posts even if I don't agree.

But enough of the Jew nastiness please.

My wife is a jew, my children have a jewish tradition, and most of the family disappeared into the ovens at Auschwitz-Birkenau. We live with that reality daily.

Fair enough Winston.

Think of it in terms of a pyramid, the sharp little point of leadership at the top is where the problem has always been and always will be!

That point is dependent on the support of all the lower layers and "that point" will do anything to keep the lower levels there and under their control!

Labeling like Jew anti-semitism etc are just some of the tools used by the pointy bit to maintain identity and control over the (expendable) bottom layers!

The pointy group of people are the ones that Akzle should be aiming at and they are quite easy to identify because they have many labels that they exist under!

"Jews" are truly an historic diverse people and when considering that collectively they only add up to a few percent of total world population they are involved in most worldly things!

Maybe, when you think about it Nazi Germany and Hitler did good work on behalf of the pointy people in keeping the lower levels of the pyrimid under control.

Why else would thousands of comfortable well off Jewish people leave Europe and go and live in a hot sand castle surrounded by hostile Arabs trying to kill them?

Maybe Akzle could try and be a bit more definative in just which part of the pyramid it is that he is trying to expose!

[Brian d marge]

From *stuff*

Snip:

WikiLeaks can confirm he ( lockwood smith ) is universally regarded as a complete tool.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/10128009/The-secret-diary-of-Julian-Assange


The United Socialist party of america ....* Jump !* ......... New zealand ...yes master , I be a jumping ......

Stephen

if it does go pear shaped , we will probably have to learn chinese , thanks to Australia ,,,, dirty sellouts !

[bogan]

Fair enough Winston.

Think of it in terms of a pyramid, the sharp little point of leadership at the top is where the problem has always been and always will be!

That point is dependent on the support of all the lower layers and "that point" will do anything to keep the lower levels there and under their control!

Labeling like Jew anti-semitism etc are just some of the tools used by the pointy bit to maintain identity and control over the (expendable) bottom layers!

The pointy group of people are the ones that Akzle should be aiming at and they are quite easy to identify because they have many labels that they exist under!

"Jews" are truly an historic diverse people and when considering that collectively they only add up to a few percent of total world population they are involved in most worldly things!

Maybe, when you think about it Nazi Germany and Hitler did good work on behalf of the pointy people in keeping the lower levels of the pyrimid under control.

Why else would thousands of comfortable well off Jewish people leave Europe and go and live in a hot sand castle surrounded by hostile Arabs trying to kill them?

Maybe Akzle could try and be a bit more definative in just which part of the pyramid it is that he is trying to expose!

What you need, is the equivalent terminology but opposite end of spectrum to 'pleb'. Jew or even Gew is a dumbarse term; typical of the fucking plebs who make up the so called 99% which in its name alone is very vernacularly plebby.

[oldrider]

From *stuff* http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/10128009/The-secret-diary-of-Julian-Assange

Julian Assange made a stupid decision ... now he wants to blame (obscure) New Zealand for it! :tugger:

[Ocean1]

From *stuff*

Snip:

WikiLeaks can confirm he ( lockwood smith ) is universally regarded as a complete tool.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/10128009/The-secret-diary-of-Julian-Assange


The United Socialist party of america ....* Jump !* ......... New zealand ...yes master , I be a jumping ......

Stephen

if it does go pear shaped , we will probably have to learn chinese , thanks to Australia ,,,, dirty sellouts !

You do realise that's not real, doncha sport?

It's satire.

Fiction.

[mashman]

Oh don't be so silly Mashie. Of course you accord with societies rules. If your wife or daughter were assaulted you'd look to the police for help. If someone steals from you, its the police you go to.

If times are hard you apply for help from social welfare and there is no shame in that. We help each other.

If your family income is low you get income support from other people. You are not a Sovereign Man which by the way is a nonsense concept.

And? Are you saying that if I don't abide by society's rules that I should forfeit any access to particular goods and services? That the reason for my actions and the reason that society has a set of rules that resemble my reasons for my actions does not mean that I am abiding by the rules of society.

There is a shame in it, not the out and out shame of ignoring the issue entirely of which you speak, but that someone requires social welfare in the first place. Hey ho.

Why am I not a sovereign man?

[bogan]

That the reason for my actions and the reason that society has a set of rules that resemble my reasons for my actions does not mean that I am abiding by the rules of society.

But, society says you don't have a right to, what was your term 'everything on this planet'? you say you do, yet you abide by society's ruling on that...

[Brian d marge]

You do realise that's not real, doncha sport?

It's satire.

Fiction.

of course it on * stuff*

I can confirm one slice of the truth

lockwood IS a tool , met him and the current speaker and I can confirm toolism is rife

Stephen

[Ocean1]

of course it on * stuff*

I can confirm one slice of the truth

lockwood IS a tool , met him and the current speaker and I can confirm toolism is rife

Stephen

Well, stuff has been known to report the odd fact. In spite of the influence of presumably educated, presumably professional journalists.

But it's usually not safe to assume they're listed as fiction. And it's not really kosher to present opinion as fact.

[mashman]

But, society says you don't have a right to, what was your term 'everything on this planet'? you say you do, yet you abide by society's ruling on that...

What a load of poo. I have a right to whatever I want. I temper that right with the consideration of others in mind and do so out of recognition/respect for the efforts of those others. I am reasonable enough to expect that you do the same. That is entirely your choice. You have free will. Unfortunately you give that free will away to those who would backup your decision, or not on occasion, by force... Doesn't look like you're keeping up your end of the bargain.

[Brian d marge]

Well, stuff has been known to report the odd fact. In spite of the influence of presumably educated, presumably professional journalists.

But it's usually not safe to assume they're listed as fiction. And it's not really kosher to present opinion as fact.

Now that IS the pot calling the kettle

and that a fact

Stephen

[bogan]

What a load of poo. I have a right to whatever I want. I temper that right with the consideration of others in mind and do so out of recognition/respect for the efforts of those others. I am reasonable enough to expect that you do the same. That is entirely your choice. You have free will. Unfortunately you give that free will away to those who would backup your decision, or not on occasion, by force... Doesn't look like you're keeping up your end of the bargain.

Bullshit, you temper that right by abiding by the rules of society. Plain as day mate.

All this posturing you and akxzle keep doing is up to fuck all really, just a way to absolve your responsibility to the rest of society; which is to say, to recognise that the will of the many is greater than the will of the individual. Instead of copping out like you guys, I actively participate in the society, to take the good with the bad, and to make the good more plentiful. Guess when you cop out you don't need to worry about all that though, seems like the easy route out of it to me... Cowards and petty tyrants you might even say...

[avgas]

Apart from a pointless shit fight. What did I miss?
Did we conclude that the roman and the greeks had it wrong yet? (aka the illusion of a vote for elected officials)

[mashman]

Bullshit, you temper that right by abiding by the rules of society. Plain as day mate.

All this posturing you and akxzle keep doing is up to fuck all really, just a way to absolve your responsibility to the rest of society; which is to say, to recognise that the will of the many is greater than the will of the individual. Instead of copping out like you guys, I actively participate in the society, to take the good with the bad, and to make the good more plentiful. Guess when you cop out you don't need to worry about all that though, seems like the easy route out of it to me... Cowards and petty tyrants you might even say...

No I don't... else I'd never break the law :weird: Dream on sunshine and maybe you too will get to wear big boy pants someday.

Holy ironingtastic batman... you really haven't got a clue have you. What a moron.

[mashman]

Apart from a pointless shit fight. What did I miss?
Did we conclude that the roman and the greeks had it wrong yet? (aka the illusion of a vote for elected officials)

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... no, there's still a strong belief that voting is gonna fix things.

[bogan]

No I don't... else I'd never break the law :weird: Dream on sunshine and maybe you too will get to wear big boy pants someday.

Holy ironingtastic batman... you really haven't got a clue have you. What a moron.

Hehe, but enough truth in there to strike a nerve it would seem...

[mashman]

Hehe, but enough truth in there to strike a nerve it would seem...

:rofl: like I said, dream on sunshine.

[Akzle]

civus romanus ergo sum.

Yeah. Right.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I really really dislike the bigotry displayed by a lot of posters here. Its one step from blaming "jews" for all yours and the worlds ills to dogging the door shut on an oven full of people. It is utterly reprehensible and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Historically the catholic church (of which I am proud to say I am an ex-member) has visited far more sins on anyone than any jews ever did. Spanish Inquisiition? Crusades? Vatican bank and Nazi gold?

They (and all organised religions) are the worst thing that people ever dreamed up to control, oppress and frighten one another.

I want you to go to your rooms and think about what you've done. And you needn't think you will be getting any pudding tonight or for the next week.

[Akzle]

the catholic church ...Spanish Inquisiition? Crusades? Vatican bank and Nazi gold?


whoownswhatbank, now?

[oldrider]

I really really dislike the bigotry displayed by a lot of posters here. Its one step from blaming "jews" for all yours and the worlds ills to dogging the door shut on an oven full of people. It is utterly reprehensible and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Historically the catholic church (of which I am proud to say I am an ex-member) has visited far more sins on anyone than any jews ever did. Spanish Inquisiition? Crusades? Vatican bank and Nazi gold?

They (and all organised religions) are the worst thing that people ever dreamed up to control, oppress and frighten one another.

I want you to go to your rooms and think about what you've done. And you needn't think you will be getting any pudding tonight or for the next week.

And your problem with post #1604 is? :confused:

[mashman]

I really really dislike the bigotry displayed by a lot of posters here. Its one step from blaming "jews" for all yours and the worlds ills to dogging the door shut on an oven full of people. It is utterly reprehensible and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Historically the catholic church (of which I am proud to say I am an ex-member) has visited far more sins on anyone than any jews ever did. Spanish Inquisiition? Crusades? Vatican bank and Nazi gold?

They (and all organised religions) are the worst thing that people ever dreamed up to control, oppress and frighten one another.

I want you to go to your rooms and think about what you've done. And you needn't think you will be getting any pudding tonight or for the next week.

A jew is not a Jew in the sense that they are Jewish. A Catholic can be a jew, as can be a Muslim, as can an atheist, as can be any religious denomination you choose... it has feck all to do with the church, it's a state of mind and primarily involves fucking people over... more often than not using money as the weapon.

History, bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa... it's written down, so it must be true :facepalm:

The financial system is worse than any religion by far! After all, you can leave a religion without needing to change your life in any way shape or form.

I didn't eat my meat so I know I'm not getting any pudding... we've done nuffin wrong dad, it's you that's the ignorant cunt. I mean, you don't even know what a jew is. Now repeat, "A jew is a total and utter cunt, I am merely an ignorant cunt" (not mashies a cunt smartarse), 20 times and we'll say no more about it.

[Banditbandit]

A jew is not a Jew in the sense that they are Jewish.

Jeez mate .. not so long ago you did make sense ...

Musta been some good drugs over the weekend!!!!

[BoristheBiter]

A jew is not a Jew in the sense that they are Jewish. A Catholic can be a jew, as can be a Muslim, as can an atheist, as can be any religious denomination you choose... it has feck all to do with the church, it's a state of mind and primarily involves fucking people over... more often than not using money as the weapon.

History, bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa... it's written down, so it must be true :facepalm:

The financial system is worse than any religion by far! After all, you can leave a religion without needing to change your life in any way shape or form.

I didn't eat my meat so I know I'm not getting any pudding... we've done nuffin wrong dad, it's you that's the ignorant cunt. I mean, you don't even know what a jew is. Now repeat, "A jew is a total and utter cunt, I am merely an ignorant cunt" (not mashies a cunt smartarse), 20 times and we'll say no more about it.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121028220638/deadliestfiction/images/d/de/Epic_Facepalm_by_RJTH-1-.jpg

[SPman]

A jew is not a Jew in the sense that they are Jewish
What the fuck are they then? Mention the word jew and most people in the world think of people of jewish religion. And we know where that leads!

Are you talking about Zionists?

[mashman]

Jeez mate .. not so long ago you did make sense ...

Musta been some good drugs over the weekend!!!!

wife's 40th... fun was had.


http://i.imgur.com/tyTc1Nl.jpg


What the fuck are they then? Mention the word jew and most people in the world think of people of jewish religion. And we know where that leads!

Are you talking about Zionists?

Useless fuckers... jew:


it's a state of mind and primarily involves fucking people over

[BoristheBiter]

Useless fuckers... jew:

http://rawforbeauty.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/375574_400149680093709_390874873_n.jpg

[Brian d marge]

It never really is the * people * per sei ( how do you spell that)

but a few very corrupt individuals WHO happen to be jewish and of other denominations

these people , have NO feelings for the common man . For me , when I removed empathy from the person , their actions made sense. IF 9/11wasnt an act of terror by some mad men then it was planned , .....you can only plan and carry out such things when u have no emotions for the people your are going to harm

John key ...your ideals are harming people not helping ;)

Not much I can do about it here , but I can stop using the medium they love so much ! Their wealth is only relative ! ,,and I will get my TV :bash:

Stephen

[mashman]

fail

:rofl:... oh dear...

[Oscar]

Useless fuckers... jew:

Well now, that's changed my opinion of you...















































....I had you pegged as a stupid cunt....









































































...now I see that you're a stupid antisemitic bigot.

[SPman]

The title of this thread looks like becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy........

[BoristheBiter]

:rofl:... oh dear...

Mate you are the one that's failing here, and big time at that, at least akzle had the sense to not respond once he saw the way this is heading.

Lets see if it get what you, and akzle, are saying.
You say the people to blame are jews, but not the religious ones.
that's like saying all criminals are niggers but not the black ones.

Have you not thought how, not only wrong, but highly offensive what you are saying is?

[BoristheBiter]

The title of this thread looks like becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy........

Yes, but I don't think John Key had a hand in making these two idiots.

[Akzle]

Mate you are the one that's failing here, and big time at that, at least akzle had the sense to not respond once he saw the way this is heading.

Lets see if it get what you, and akzle, are saying.
You say the people to blame are jews, but not the religious ones.
that's like saying all criminals are niggers but not the black ones.

Have you not thought how, not only wrong, but highly offensive what you are saying is?

nn he stopped responding because he's explained it before and he doesnt like repeating himself, you twat.
Smokey told ya, too.
Encyclopaedia dramatica that shit.

[Oscar]

nn he stopped responding because he's explained it before and he doesnt like repeating himself, you twat.
.

If he continues churning out stupidity at this level:


A jew is not a Jew in the sense that they are Jewish.

I'm not surprised he doesn't want to repeat it...

[mashman]

Mate you are the one that's failing here, and big time at that, at least akzle had the sense to not respond once he saw the way this is heading.

Lets see if it get what you, and akzle, are saying.
You say the people to blame are jews, but not the religious ones.
that's like saying all criminals are niggers but not the black ones.

Have you not thought how, not only wrong, but highly offensive what you are saying is?

Toots, I'm failing at nothing. I was using the term 35 years ago in the exact context that Akzle uses it. I know what it means and there's nothing antisemitic about it. Ya'll er backwater folk who probably ain't comed across the term before, so ama gonna let it slide this one time ;) If anyone chooses to take offense, then in this instance, you're being a bit precious... and me saying a bit is being very generous. The offense is all yours. So much so that I should be offended by your projecting your offendedness upon my being. But ama gonna let that slide this one time too.

The rest is fairytales.

[mashman]

If he continues churning out stupidity at this level:



I'm not surprised he doesn't want to repeat it...

Might I draw your attention to the lack of capitalisation (snigger, actually, double snigger) of the first jew, which if, in itself does not denote separation from every other Jewish reference in the sentence, then I would have thought the explanation that followed would have made the difference more apparent.

[Akzle]

and yes, all criminals are niggers, not all niggers are black.

[Oscar]

Might I draw your attention to the lack of capitalisation (snigger, actually, double snigger) of the first jew, which if, in itself does not denote separation from every other Jewish reference in the sentence, then I would have thought the explanation that followed would have made the difference more apparent.

Nope, the explanation that followed just made you look like a bigger bigot...

[bogan]

Just speaks to my earlier point about the not-my-society types. Rather than accept the majority decision on what the word Jew (or jew) means, they come up with some twisted logic to blame us for it. Anyone with an iota of responsibility would realise that how the words are interpretted counts for as much as what is said, and if they are interpreted to means you are a bigotted cunt, perhaps get some new vernacular.

[Oscar]

Just speaks to my earlier point about the not-my-society types. Rather than accept the majority decision on what the word Jew (or jew) means, they come up with some twisted logic to blame us for it. Anyone with an iota of responsibility would realise that how the words are interpretted counts for as much as what is said, and if they are interpreted to means you are a bigotted cunt, perhaps get some new vernacular.

So that makes you a cunt as long as it's spelled with a lower case c?

[mashman]

Nope, the explanation that followed just made you look like a bigger bigot...


Just speaks to my earlier point about the not-my-society types. Rather than accept the majority decision on what the word Jew (or jew) means, they come up with some twisted logic to blame us for it. Anyone with an iota of responsibility would realise that how the words are interpretted counts for as much as what is said, and if they are interpreted to means you are a bigotted cunt, perhaps get some new vernacular.

Ain't blaming anyone for anything chums. It's not my phrase, I was brought up with it, I means something different to me, that you don't accept the meaning that I was using speaks volumes about how A) silly you are or B) making up fairy stories. Either way, you've got to make your own mind up, but don't go pretending that you know mine, coz you quite obviously don't. I will say what I want to say as and when I choose to say it, fascist.

[Akzle]

Just speaks to my earlier point about the not-my-society types. Rather than accept the majority decision on what the word Jew (or jew) means, they come up with some twisted logic to blame us for it. Anyone with an iota of responsibility would realise that how the words are interpretted counts for as much as what is said, and if they are interpreted to means you are a bigotted cunt, perhaps get some new vernacular.

please, enlighten me about, say, 'gay', 'Faggot'... shit, pussy, fuck, struth, damned, lol, etc..
Language evolves, luddite, try and keep up

-edit- add 'nigger', negroe, vagina, and oh, hey, lets add the word mortgage to try and get your tiny mind engaged.

[mashman]

lets add the word mortgage to try and get your tiny mind engaged.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/51358/965792-pinky_and_the_brain.jpg

[ducatilover]

and yes, all criminals are niggers, not all niggers are black.

Heel, bitch.

[Winston001]

Useless fuckers... jew:

Ok Mashie, enough.

You have no conception of what the Jewish people have endured. You are playing on the internet where you can make offensive statements and pretend they don't matter.

Imagine for a moment that you have been through selection and are walking to the "showers".



But sadly I suspect you can't, because that thought leads into the abyss.

[Akzle]

Ok Mashie, enough.

You have no conception of what the Jewish people have endured. You are playing on the internet where you can make offensive statements and pretend they don't matter.

Imagine for a moment that you have been through selection and are walking to the "showers".



But sadly I suspect you can't, because that thought leads into the abyss.

winstan mon, eeets nutting to do wit da Jewish.

[Akzle]

secondly, thats not the only time in history theyve been persecuted. I seem to recall them wandering through sand land for 40 years...

Thirdly, theyve been riding the butt-hurt wave for far too long. Yes, boohoo, people died, it wasnt even the worst attempted/genocide in recent white history. I wonder if you raise hue and cry for the red injuns? The arabs? The pagans?

I think tember 11 was supposed to be an emotional top up, just didnt quite work.
Shit happens. History is dark.
Know who persecuted my ancestry? Jewish people. And I live with THAT daily.

Quarternarily, thats not what is being referd to when we say gew/jew.

[BoristheBiter]

Know who persecuted my ancestry? Jewish people. And I live with THAT daily.


So who are your ancestry? Just for calcification.

[unstuck]

So who are your ancestry? Just for calcification.

Goats, I would imagine.:innocent:

[mashman]

Ok Mashie, enough.

You have no conception of what the Jewish people have endured. You are playing on the internet where you can make offensive statements and pretend they don't matter.

Imagine for a moment that you have been through selection and are walking to the "showers".



But sadly I suspect you can't, because that thought leads into the abyss.

Enough? Enough of what? Enough of you putting words into my mouth? I'd appreciate that thanks. See, despite me telling you that my reference to the word jew has absolutely nothing at all to do with anything Jewish, you refuse to accept that. Not my problem winston001, stop putting words in my mouth and you might find that it all goes away.

[bogan]

Enough? Enough of what? Enough of you putting words into my mouth? I'd appreciate that thanks. See, despite me telling you that my reference to the word jew has absolutely nothing at all to do with anything Jewish, you refuse to accept that. Not my problem winston001, stop putting words in my mouth and you might find that it all goes away.

And despite many people telling you that not only does Jew relate to jewish (who could have seen that coming right :rolleyes:) the way you use it is also highly offensive; you still are incapable of taking the majority opinion on board. Grow up mashy; you can't just change the 'meaning' of a word to justify your bigotry, I would expect this shit from axkle but thought you would be a bit more tolerant than that.

[Akzle]

So who are your ancestry? Just for calcification.


Goats, I would imagine.:innocent:

human, unfortunately.
Would that i were a giraffe...

[BoristheBiter]

human, unfortunately.
Would that i were a giraffe...

Again, who is your ancestry that were persecuted by Jewish people?

[Akzle]

Again, who is your ancestry that were persecuted by Jewish people?

starts with p and rhymes with palestinian.
To be fair, anyone under the monetary farce could rightly consder themselves persecuted.

[Banditbandit]

Ain't blaming anyone for anything chums. It's not my phrase, I was brought up with it, I means something different to me, that you don't accept the meaning that I was using speaks volumes about how A) silly you are or B) making up fairy stories. Either way, you've got to make your own mind up, but don't go pretending that you know mine, coz you quite obviously don't. I will say what I want to say as and when I choose to say it, fascist.



"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't—till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!' "
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. "They've a temper, some of them—particularly verbs, they're the proudest—adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs—however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That's what I say!"

Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll

[mashman]

And despite many people telling you that not only does Jew relate to jewish (who could have seen that coming right :rolleyes:) the way you use it is also highly offensive; you still are incapable of taking the majority opinion on board. Grow up mashy; you can't just change the 'meaning' of a word to justify your bigotry, I would expect this shit from axkle but thought you would be a bit more tolerant than that.

:killingme... I never changed the meaning of the word, it was used as it came to me and has fuck all to do with the Jewish people. That you choose to think otherwise is YOU choosing to think otherwise.

[BoristheBiter]

starts with p and rhymes with palestinian.
To be fair, anyone under the monetary farce could rightly consder themselves persecuted.

Philistine it is then.

[unstuck]

Philistine it is then.

I was right then. Goat it is. :whistle:

[Akzle]

"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't—till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!' "
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. "They've a temper, some of them—particularly verbs, they're the proudest—adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs—however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That's what I say!"

Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll

words are grown so false i am loath to prove reason with them
-shaq.

[bogan]

:killingme... I never changed the meaning of the word, it was used as it came to me and has fuck all to do with the Jewish people. That you choose to think otherwise is YOU choosing to think otherwise.

The reason the term came about is because people of jewish faith hold positions of authority (or the term makers wish us to think that) in financial institutions. So it has a lot to do with the jewish people. Now if instead you just used the term monkey-farts, it would be equally retarded but far less offensive, perhaps you should give it a go...

[Oscar]

Again, who is your ancestry that were persecuted by Jewish people?

I think his grandparents may have been guards at Auschwitz.

[mashman]

The reason the term came about is because people of jewish faith hold positions of authority (or the term makers wish us to think that) in financial institutions. So it has a lot to do with the jewish people. Now if instead you just used the term monkey-farts, it would be equally retarded but far less offensive, perhaps you should give it a go...

:yawn: I would have to consider the Jewish people to be inferior to myself in order to use the term in a derogatory manner. I'm don't, and no matter how much you try to convince yourself that I am, I'm not... but please, carry on being offended coz it amuses me just how stupid your position is, especially given that such fucktardery leads to war and segregation etc... However, I forgive you.

[bogan]

:yawn: I would have to consider the Jewish people to be inferior to myself in order to use the term in a derogatory manner. I'm don't, and no matter how much you try to convince yourself that I am, I'm not... but please, carry on being offended coz it amuses me just how stupid your position is, especially given that such fucktardery leads to war and segregation etc... However, I forgive you.

Same old immature shit eh mashy, the masses opinion/interpretation matters, and in this we say you are being a bigoted cunt. If you don't mean to be, then chose some other phrasing, it is that simple.

That you seem to be being a bigoted cunt disingenuously to somehow feel superior to those who disagree with your use of the english language, is pretty fucked up; but again, I guess fairly typical for the not-part-of-your-society types.

[mashman]

Same old immature shit eh mashy, the masses opinion/interpretation matters, and in this we say you are being a bigoted cunt. If you don't mean to be, then chose some other phrasing, it is that simple.

That you seem to be being a bigoted cunt disingenuously to somehow feel superior to those who disagree with your use of the english language, is pretty fucked up; but again, I guess fairly typical for the not-part-of-your-society types.

I will say what I like how I like it, I'm pretty sure I've been clear about this. If you take offence it is your problem, again, something I have been pretty clear about. It is that simple.

Bigoted? Superior? Oh you're gonna have to try much harder than that... unless you're incapable (something I'm inclined to lean towards).

[bogan]

I will say what I like how I like it, I'm pretty sure I've been clear about this. If you take offence it is your problem, again, something I have been pretty clear about. It is that simple.

Bigoted? Superior? Oh you're gonna have to try much harder than that... unless you're incapable (something I'm inclined to lean towards).

While I'm no fan of the whole PC movement, I do find your approach quite immature and cowardly; though that is something most bigots are anyway.

Anyway, since you're so good at perceptions, why don't you just perceive when we call you a bigoted cunt, we just mean that you don't know how the english language works, and if you take offense it is your problem.

[mashman]

While I'm no fan of the whole PC movement, I do find your approach quite immature and cowardly; though that is something most bigots are anyway.

Anyway, since you're so good at perceptions, why don't you just perceive when we call you a bigoted cunt, we just mean that you don't know how the english language works, and if you take offense it is your problem.

Awww, that's a shame. I'm sure you'll get over it.

No offense taken... see, I wear big boy pants and prefer the meaning given to what has been said over the dictionary definition used whilst translating that which someone else has said in order to maintain as much of the context of the sentence as possible. I'm not some know it all who believes that he should decide what someone else means, I leave that to the precious people of the world who believe that everyone should communicate in a way that pleases them. That's some strong fascist bigotry you've got going on there. Kudos

[bogan]

I leave that to the precious people of the world who believe that everyone should communicate <s>in a way that pleases them.</s> effectively

Guilty, I'm all about efficiency, no sense being wasteful with our resources I reckon.

[Akzle]

I think his grandparents may have been guards at Auschwitz.

thats a bit below the belt, even for you.

And fuck no, if theres anything worse than gews (there isnt) its fuken germans.
Love kraut, love wurst, but fuck the germans. (and in this instance, germans means germans.)

[mashman]

Guilty, I'm all about efficiency, no sense being wasteful with our resources I reckon.

Tis the reason I shorten the attitude to jew instead of monkey-farts... tis much more efficient.

[bogan]

Tis the reason I shorten the attitude to jew instead of monkey-farts... tis much more efficient.

Then go with 'I' in future...

[Oscar]

thats a bit below the belt, even for you.

And fuck no, if theres anything worse than gews (there isnt) its fuken germans.
Love kraut, love wurst, but fuck the germans. (and in this instance, germans means germans.)

You're a bit sensitive for an antisemetic cunt, aren't you?

[mashman]

Then go with 'I' in future...

Nothing conveys being willing to sell your gran without as second thought like the word jew. Now as far as I'm aware, Jewish family's are very close. Have you not considered that the origin of the word jew began as a sarcastic or irony remark? The Scots are know for being tight. WTF? So ya see, "I" simply wouldn't work, you silly boy. (I have also referred to jews as white muthafuckas).

[bogan]

Nothing conveys being willing to sell your gran without as second thought like the word jew.

What the fuck man? The word jew doesn't convey that at all, unless you are a bigoted fuckwit. It's only scum like yourself that seek to see it used in such a derogatory manner, thus denigrating the jewish faith by extension.

[oldrider]

This is the very stuff that the leaders at the top of the Jewish leadership pyramid rely upon to keep their ducks in order, it is not helpfull to the expendable lower layers!

Divided (excluded) they stand united (included) they fall ... if you want to weaken the top be more inclusive toward the bottom for they will disintegrate into society!

All this nastyness forces ordinary expendable people to flock together for protection and consolation it strengthens the position of those at the top! :brick:

[bogan]

This is the very stuff that the leaders at the top of the Jewish leadership pyramid rely upon to keep their ducks in order, it is not helpfull to the expendable lower layers!

Divided (excluded) they stand united (included) they fall ... if you want to weaken the top be more inclusive toward the bottom for they will disintegrate into society!

All this nastyness forces ordinary expendable people to flock together for protection and consolation it strengthens the position of those at the top! :brick:

So, tall poppy syndrome justified by a bigoted conspiracy theory? And who said kiwibiker had hit rock bottom :facepalm:

[ducatilover]

thats a bit below the belt, even for you.

And fuck no, if theres anything worse than gews (there isnt) its fuken germans.
Love kraut, love wurst, but fuck the germans. (and in this instance, germans means germans.)

I like the German peoples. Mind you, I'm a sucker.


This thread is full of ironing.

[Banditbandit]

Nothing conveys being willing to sell your gran without as second thought like the word jew. Now as far as I'm aware, Jewish family's are very close. Have you not considered that the origin of the word jew began as a sarcastic or irony remark? The Scots are know for being tight. WTF? So ya see, "I" simply wouldn't work, you silly boy. (I have also referred to jews as white muthafuckas).

The word "Jew" comes from the tribe of Judah - the only tribe left in the land of Palestine at the time the Romans invaded in 70AD. You can easily hear the corruption of "Judah" to "Jew" when you say it out loud ... It's been linked to the Religion because the Jews only practise one religion - it's what defines them.

The word became a perjorative term in the way you use it because after the Diaspora many countries made it illegal for Jewish people to be involved in trades, crafts, own land, etc etc. The only occupation left to them was Money-lending (rather convenient that the Christian Churches at the time outlawed Usury) so they had a handy population to lend them money, when their friends and business acquantances could not for fear of invoking the wrath of the church if they charged interest. ) That then lead to the way you use the word - the Jews were practising Usury ... forbidden by the Christian Church as an unholy practice ... Never mind that the churches forced them into it ..

Hence Shylock in the Merchant of Venice - a charicature of a money-lender in what is essentially a racist play ... Also in Scott's Ivanhoe - Ivanhoe cannot marry his first love because she is Jewish and the daughter of a money lender ... and finally the Nazi portrayal of the "dirty jews" ...

The way you use it is certainly perjorative, it is certainly racist and certainly discriminatory ... If you were really serious about the rest of your own philosophy you would stop using this term in the way you do ...

[ducatilover]

Nothing conveys being willing to sell your gran without as second thought like the word jew. Now as far as I'm aware, Jewish family's are very close. Have you not considered that the origin of the word jew began as a sarcastic or irony remark? The Scots are know for being tight. WTF? So ya see, "I" simply wouldn't work, you silly boy. (I have also referred to jews as white muthafuckas).

'tis a stigma attached to being Jewish. Sometimes I feel sorry for them, so many mindless comments insulting them. Be like calling any beneficiary a nigger, coon or Maori.
But, it is an effective way to describe a tight person.

[Banditbandit]

'tis a stigma attached to being Jewish. Sometimes I feel sorry for them, so many mindless comments insulting them. Be like calling any beneficiary a nigger, coon or Maori.
But, it is an effective way to describe a tight person.

It must be hard to be Jehovah's chosen people - they way he has shat on them, and let other shit on them over the centuries ..

[ducatilover]

It must be hard to be Jehovah's chosen people - they way he has shat on them, and let other shit on them over the centuries ..

Be a wee bit dumb. They can grow curly beards though

[mashman]

What the fuck man? The word jew doesn't convey that at all, unless you are a bigoted fuckwit. It's only scum like yourself that seek to see it used in such a derogatory manner, thus denigrating the jewish faith by extension.

blur blur blur blur blur

[mashman]

stuff from books

The way you use it is certainly perjorative, it is certainly racist and certainly discriminatory ... If you were really serious about the rest of your own philosophy you would stop using this term in the way you do ...

Don't begin to tell me how I used the word, as that is a part of my "philosophy". I'm telling you how I used it and you're deciding that I meant it in an entirely different way. Seriously? And people decide to get offended or trolol? The story could get much more complicated, but you're old and it ain't worth wasting your time, is it? I understand your position, I truly get it, but in my youf there was another context for the word. As I said, I use the term white muthafuckas these days, probably because I know that people don't like hearing the word that shalt not be uttered any further (see whitemuthafuckas) (that word that shalt never be said again is jew btw).

The rest is fairytails and puppydogstales.

[Ocean1]

Don't begin to tell me how I used the word,

You're an arsehole.

And allow me to tell you that I use the word not in the sense of some wanker, claiming it describes something completely different from the vast majority of the language users' interpretation, but in the extremely derogatory and contemporarily accurate sense that the vast majority of users of the term interpret it.

[mashman]

You're an arsehole.

And allow me to tell you that I use the word not in the sense of some wanker, claiming it describes something completely different from the vast majority of the language's users interpretation, but in the extremely derogatory and contemporarily accurate sense that the vast majority of users of the term interpret it.

Touchdown the crowd goes wild.

[pete376403]

It must be hard to be Jehovah's chosen people - they way he has shat on them, and let other shit on them over the centuries ..

"we're your chosen people, and you want us to cut the tip of our WHAT?"

[Banditbandit]

Don't begin to tell me how I used the word, as that is a part of my "philosophy". I'm telling you how I used it and you're deciding that I meant it in an entirely different way. Seriously? And people decide to get offended or trolol? The story could get much more complicated, but you're old and it ain't worth wasting your time, is it? I understand your position, I truly get it, but in my youf there was another context for the word. As I said, I use the term white muthafuckas these days, probably because I know that people don't like hearing the word that shalt not be uttered any further (see whitemuthafuckas) (that word that shalt never be said again is jew btw).

The rest is fairytails and puppydogstales.

I certainly get what you mean ... I might be old but I'm not senile ...

However, there are two parts to communication - a sender and a receiver. The point of communication is to transmit primarily ideas and information from the sender to the receiver.

As a sender, you have every right to use any word you like to explain what you like.

But the receiver also has every right to interpret the words you use against their own knowledge of the word.

As a sender, if you want your message to be transmitted clearly and effectively you have to take the perceptions of the receiver into account, and choose your words appropriately, otherwise the message wull become blurred and mis-understood, exactly as it has been in this discussion. You have come across as a nasty racist cunt, which, I believe, is not what you are.

If you do not take into account the likely interpretation of your words by the receiver then all you are producing is "blur blur blur blur" ... making pointless noises ..

[Oscar]

Don't begin to tell me how I used the word, as that is a part of my "philosophy".

It has one meaning, and only an idiot would attempt to argue otherwise.
It is telling that you referred to your "philosophy", as the use of quotation marks is another indication that your grasp on the English language, like you grasp on sanity, is tenuous to say the least.

[mashman]

I certainly get what you mean ... I might be old but I'm not senile ...

However, there are two parts to communication - a sender and a receiver. The point of communication is to transmit primarily ideas and information from the sender to the receiver.

As a sender, you have every right to use any word you like to explain what you like.

But the receiver also has every right to interpret the words you use against their own knowledge of the word.

As a sender, if you want your message to be transmitted clearly and effectively you have to take the perceptions of the receiver into account, and choose your words appropriately, otherwise the message wull become blurred and mis-understood, exactly as it has been in this discussion. You have come across as a nasty racist cunt, which, I believe, is not what you are.

If you do not take into account the likely interpretation of your words by the receiver then all you are producing is "blur blur blur blur" ... making pointless noises ..

I took everyone's definition into consideration (it's your assumption that I haven't). The same can't be said everyone taking mine into consideration. So go ahead and lecture me some more about where I broke the chain of communication.

My opener on the subject: "A jew is not a Jew in the sense that they are Jewish. A Catholic can be a jew, as can be a Muslim, as can an atheist, as can be any religious denomination you choose... it has feck all to do with the church, it's a state of mind and primarily involves fucking people over... more often than not using money as the weapon"... and look at where it ended up eh, me as a bigoted nasty antisemitic racist cunt.

So yeah, tell me again about communication, tolerance, acceptance etc... :facepalm: The hypocrisy is hilarious.


It has one meaning, and only an idiot would attempt to argue otherwise.
It is telling that you referred to your "philosophy", as the use of quotation marks is another indication that your grasp on the English language, like you grasp on sanity, is tenuous to say the least.

Coz you say so? Well we used it with a different meaning and now you know what it means you can stop being so precious.
:yawn:

[Oscar]

I took everyone's definition into consideration (it's your assumption that I haven't). The same can't be said everyone taking mine into consideration. So go ahead and lecture me some more about where I broke the chain of communication.

My opener on the subject: "A jew is not a Jew in the sense that they are Jewish. A Catholic can be a jew, as can be a Muslim, as can an atheist, as can be any religious denomination you choose... it has feck all to do with the church, it's a state of mind and primarily involves fucking people over... more often than not using money as the weapon"... and look at where it ended up eh, me as a bigoted nasty antisemitic racist cunt.

So yeah, tell me again about communication, tolerance, acceptance etc... :facepalm: The hypocrisy is hilarious.



Coz you say so? Well we used it with a different meaning and now you know what it means you can stop being so precious.
:yawn:

How old are you?
You used a bad word and got a telling off, and you were saying that it’s OK coz the other kids do it too, although now you've changed your tune and are saying that you give the word a meaning that only you understand.
However, let's look at your response to criticism:

Communication: You're saying that you're using the word in a way peculiar to you (although you are using it in the old pejorative and insulting way, common in generations past).

Tolerance:
it's a state of mind and primarily involves fucking people over You're saying that we're intolerant coz we don't tolerate bigots like you?

Acceptance: You're using an old racist insult and applying it to other races/religions. You're a Prince amongst men really aren't you?

As I said previously, your true colours are now flying - up until now, you've been the village idiot, now we see that you're the village blackshirt.

[mashman]

How old are you?
You used a bad word and got a telling off, and you were saying that it’s OK coz the other kids do it too, although now you've changed your tune and are saying that you give the word a meaning that only you understand.
However, let's look at your response to criticism:

Communication: You're saying that you're using the word in a way peculiar to you (although you are using it in the old pejorative and insulting way, common in generations past).

Tolerance: You're saying that we're intolerant coz we don't tolerate bigots like you?

Acceptance: You're using an old racist insult and applying it to other races/religions. You're a Prince amongst men really aren't you?

As I said previously, your true colours are now flying - up until now, you've been the village idiot, now we see that you're the village blackshirt.

Changed my tune? The tune was always the same, tis you that's deaf.

To start with, I never used the word jew (go back and read through the posts). I never applied it to other races and religions (quite the opposite in my opener on the subject). You're making up stories and putting words in my mouth and I fail to see how that's anyone else's issue but yours.

:yawn:

[Oscar]

Changed my tune? The tune was always the same, tis you that's deaf.

To start with, I never used the word jew (go back and read through the posts). I never applied it to other races and religions (quite the opposite in my opener on the subject). You're making up stories and putting words in my mouth and I fail to see how that's anyone else's issue but yours.

:yawn:

You never applied it to other races or religions?

What the fuck is this then?

A Catholic can be a jew, as can be a Muslim, as can an atheist, as can be any religious denomination you choose

The only issue is that you are lying bigot.

[oldrider]

Are there any Mexican Jews?

Two old Jewish men, Sid and Abe, are sitting in a Mexican restaurant one day. Sid asks Abe, "Do you know if any people of our ancestry
were ever born and raised in Mexico ?"
Abe replies, "I don't know, let's ask our waiter."

When the waiter arrives, Abe asks, "Are there any Mexican Jews?"

The waiter says, "I don't know senor, I ask the cooks. " He returns from the kitchen after a few minutes and says, "No senor, the cook say no Mexican Jews."
Abe isn't satisfied and asks, "Are you absolutely sure?"

The waiter, realizing he is dealing with "Gringos" replies, "I check once again, senor," and goes back into the kitchen.
While the waiter is away, Sid says, "I find it hard to believe that there are no Jews in Mexico . Our people are scattered everywhere."

The waiter returns and says, "Senor, the head cook Manuel, he say there is no Mexican Jews."
"Are you certain?" Abe asks again. "I just can't believe there are no Mexican Jews!"

"Senor, I ask EVERYONE," replies the exasperated waiter. "All we have is Orange Jews, Grape Jews, Prune Jews, Tomato Jews and
Apple Jews, but no Mexican Jews."

[mashman]

You never applied it to other races or religions?

What the fuck is this then?


The only issue is that you are lying bigot.

The key word was CAN.

:yawn:

[bogan]

The key word was CAN.

:yawn:

Which with your grasp on the language could mean anything from can't to unicorn farts :rolleyes:

[Scuba_Steve]

It has one meaning, and only an idiot would attempt to argue otherwise.



Does it? I just searched it out & came up with this -

Jew (j)
n.
1. An adherent of Judaism as a religion or culture.
2. A member of the widely dispersed people originally descended from the ancient Hebrews and sharing an ethnic heritage based on Judaism.
3. A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah.
jew (j)
tr.v. jewed, jew·ing, jews Offensive
1. To bargain shrewdly or unfairly with. Often used with down.
2. To haggle so as to reduce (a price). Often used with down.

Thats 5 meanings by my count

Source - Free online dictionary

[Oscar]

Does it? I just searched it out & came up with this -

Jew (j)
n.
1. An adherent of Judaism as a religion or culture.
2. A member of the widely dispersed people originally descended from the ancient Hebrews and sharing an ethnic heritage based on Judaism.
3. A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah.
jew (j)
tr.v. jewed, jew·ing, jews Offensive
1. To bargain shrewdly or unfairly with. Often used with down.
2. To haggle so as to reduce (a price). Often used with down.

Thats 5 meanings by my count

Source - Free online dictionary

I see your ability to count is on par with Mashbrains language skills.
There are two definitions there, one for upper case and one for lower case.

Notwithstanding that, in context my comment was about the way he was using the word (and you've just proved my point, as that definition for the lower case item says it is offensive).

[mashman]

Which with your grasp on the language could mean anything from can't to unicorn farts :rolleyes:

I would have specified another meaning if that's what I had have meant :bleh:

[mashman]

Does it? I just searched it out & came up with this -

Jew (j)
n.
1. An adherent of Judaism as a religion or culture.
2. A member of the widely dispersed people originally descended from the ancient Hebrews and sharing an ethnic heritage based on Judaism.
3. A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah.
jew (j)
tr.v. jewed, jew·ing, jews Offensive
1. To bargain shrewdly or unfairly with. Often used with down.
2. To haggle so as to reduce (a price). Often used with down.

Thats 5 meanings by my count

Source - Free online dictionary

:rofl:... nah, there's only 2 there, don't let the numbers fool you, they're not really meant to be there, just for show like.

[Banditbandit]

and look at where it ended up eh, me as a bigoted nasty antisemitic racist cunt.

So yeah, tell me again about communication, tolerance, acceptance etc... :facepalm: The hypocrisy is hilarious.




I never called you that - and if you go back and read what I wrote you will find that I said I did not believe you were like that ...

(Sorry for sounding like a lecturer - unfortunately I can't lose the day job ... )

[bogan]

Does it? I just searched it out & came up with this -

Jew (j)
n.
1. An adherent of Judaism as a religion or culture.
2. A member of the widely dispersed people originally descended from the ancient Hebrews and sharing an ethnic heritage based on Judaism.
3. A native or inhabitant of the ancient kingdom of Judah.
jew (j)
tr.v. jewed, jew·ing, jews Offensive
1. To bargain shrewdly or unfairly with. Often used with down.
2. To haggle so as to reduce (a price). Often used with down.

Thats 5 meanings by my count

Source - Free online dictionary

Try a dictionary with pedigree, like the Oxford Dictionary.

[mashman]

I never called you that - and if you go back and read what I wrote you will find that I said I did not believe you were like that ...

(Sorry for sounding like a lecturer - unfortunately I can't lose the day job ... )

:killingme wasn't saying that you did call me those horrible nasty hurtful words... I leave that to the fucktards.

(lecture was used for giggles prof ;)).

[mashman]

Try a dictionary with pedigree, like the Oxford Dictionary.

:killingme..............................

[Oscar]

:killingme wasn't saying that you did call me those horrible nasty hurtful words... I leave that to the fucktards.

(lecture was used for giggles prof ;)).

Give it up - you got caught using a racist and bigoted expression and you can't argue your way out of it.
I don't care what you think the word means in that context, it is offensive.

[Scuba_Steve]

I see your ability to count is on par with Mashbrains language skills.
There are two definitions there, one for upper case and one for lower case.

Notwithstanding that, in context my comment was about the way he was using the word (and you've just proved my point, as that definition for the lower case item says it is offensive).

OK so there's 2 (tho I'd say 3 given that one is of religion [choice] and 1 is of birth [non-optional]) my point still stands, there's more than 1 meaning even if it is "offensive"


Try a dictionary with pedigree, like the Oxford Dictionary.

OK I did, still 2

NOUN
A member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins through the ancient Hebrew people of Israel to Abraham.

VERB
[WITH OBJECT]
(jew someone down) • offensive
Bargain with someone in a miserly or petty way.

[Oscar]

OK so there's 2 (tho I'd say 3 given that one is of religion [choice] and 1 is of birth [non-optional]) my point still stands, there's more than 1 meaning even if it is "offensive"





As I said, my comment had a context.
He used the word "jew" (lower case), as an adjective.
How many definitions do you have for that, Samuel Johnson?

[mashman]

Give it up - you got caught using a racist and bigoted expression and you can't argue your way out of it.
I don't care what you think the word means in that context, it is offensive.

Nothing of the sort took place.
bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa... No, you can't stand the fact that not only are you wrong, you're everything that you state that you dislike about me... and what's more, you know it, hence your song and dance ans the need to turn the situation into something it wasn't. Kind of pathetic really, but true to form cuzzy bro.

[mashman]

As I said, my comment had a context.
He used the word "jew" (lower case), as an adjective.
How many definitions do you have for that, Samuel Johnson?

You don't even know how I used the word (I didn't, I gave a definition with negates the need for you to use any other definition), :killingme... keep on making up stories bro, coz you're keeping me highly entertained.

[Scuba_Steve]

As I said, my comment had a context.
He used the word "jew" (lower case), as an adjective.
How many definitions do you have for that, Samuel Johnson?

OK I was using the word itself ignoring context. I'm not really on either side of this argument I couldn't care if people want to evolve the word or not I just saw there was more than 1 meaning for the word & pointed out as such (again ignoring context)

[Oscar]

Nothing of the sort took place.
bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa... No, you can't stand the fact that not only are you wrong, you're everything that you state that you dislike about me... and what's more, you know it, hence your song and dance ans the need to turn the situation into something it wasn't. Kind of pathetic really, but true to form cuzzy bro.

So how long has it been since someone gave you the wise advice to "stop digging"?

As I said earlier, I did think you were an idiot, but quite cute with it in a brain damaged puppy sort of way.
But you're right now - I do dislike you, as you've subsequently turned out to be a bigoted cunt...

[Akzle]

:tugger:


The only issue is that you are lying bigot.
i am a fucking moron*


I don't care what you think the word means in that context, it is offensive.
nigger are you deaf?
The meaning has been supplied, there is no need for interpretation.


Im chalking this thread up as another win.

[bogan]

Nothing of the sort took place.
bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa... No, you can't stand the fact that not only are you wrong, you're everything that you state that you dislike about me... and what's more, you know it, hence your song and dance ans the need to turn the situation into something it wasn't. Kind of pathetic really, but true to form cuzzy bro.

Nope, sorry mashy, but the consensus is in, you're a bigoted cunt. Even the dictionary defs point out that using said terminology in that way is offensive. After which it becomes a question of admitting it was a mistake, or that you are a bigoted shitlord; and you've left little doubt as to the answer on that question; the third option you try to be not-part-of-this-language is about as effective (and hypocritical) as your not-part-of-this-society claims. Which ties the whole thing up with a neat bow of cuntery really.

[mashman]

So how long has it been since someone gave you the wise advice to "stop digging"?

As I said earlier, I did think you were an idiot, but quite cute with it in a brain damaged puppy sort of way.
Now I agree with you - I do dislike you, as you've subsequently turned out to be a bigoted cunt...

I have no need to roll over and play dead without good reason. You have failed to provide any reason. Fortunately that has nothing to do with me and is all you... so you also have my pity.

[Oscar]

nigger are you deaf?
The meaning has been supplied, there is no need for interpretation.


Im chalking this thread up as another win.

Perhaps if you use chalk, you might make more sense.

The meaning has been supplied.
The use of the word "jew" as an adjective is offensive.

The only surprise is that your mate Mashy turns out to be a bigoted cunt (something I've known you were for some time).

[mashman]

Nope, sorry mashy, but the consensus is in, you're a bigoted cunt. Even the dictionary defs point out that using said terminology in that way is offensive. After which it becomes a question of admitting it was a mistake, or that you are a bigoted shitlord; and you've left little doubt as to the answer on that question; the third option you try to be not-part-of-this-language is about as effective (and hypocritical) as your not-part-of-this-society claims. Which ties the whole thing up with a neat bow of cuntery really.

Jesus H Christ I hope you're never on a jury.

[Oscar]

I have no need to roll over and play dead without good reason. You have failed to provide any reason. Fortunately that has nothing to do with me and is all you... so you also have my pity.

Are you related to John Banks?
Like him, if you had withdrawn and apologised at the start, people wouldn't think you were a cunt:lol:

[bogan]

Jesus H Christ I hope you're never on a jury.

Perhaps if you apologized for any offense given to people using the traditional meaning of the word instead of the one you supplied, you'd look a little less bigoted...

As for jury, the analogy here would be that you pled guilty to taking a man's possessions that didn't belong to you, but you also blather on about how that doesn't fit your definition of theft because that man didn't really need said possessions so we can't charge you for it; how do you think that would go?

[mashman]

Are you related to John Banks?
Like him, if you had withdrawn and apologised at the start, people wouldn't think you were a cunt:lol:

Do you ever have anything other than nothing? No, I thought not, hence your swift retreat into personal attack and general lack of reason.

You've been pwned chief. The beauty of it is, you pwned yourself.

[Oscar]

Jesus H Christ I hope you're never on a jury.

Unlikely - The Summary Offences Act 1981 is usually charged before a magistrate:


Offensive behaviour or language


(1) Every person is liable to a fine not exceeding $1,000 who,—

(a) in or within view of any public place, behaves in an offensive or disorderly manner; or


(b) in any public place, addresses any words to any person intending to threaten, alarm, insult, or offend that person; or


(c) in or within hearing of a public place,—

(i) uses any threatening or insulting words and is reckless whether any person is alarmed or insulted by those words; or


(ii) addresses any indecent or obscene words to any person

[Akzle]

Perhaps if you use chalk, you might make more sense.

The meaning has been supplied.
The use of the word "jew" as an adjective is offensive.

The only surprise is that your mate Mashy turns out to be a bigoted cunt (something I've known you were for some time).

you need to stop being a gew about this.

[Oscar]

Do you ever have anything other than nothing? No, I thought not, hence your swift retreat into personal attack and general lack of reason.

You've been pwned chief. The beauty of it is, you pwned yourself.

Thanks for that, I actually laughed out loud.

Tell me again what the definition of the word is...you're funny but sad at the same time.

[Oscar]

you need to stop being a gew about this.



You need to stop sucking Mashy's dick.

[mashman]

Perhaps if you apologized for any offense given to people using the traditional meaning of the word instead of the one you supplied, you'd look a little less bigoted...

As for jury, the analogy here would be that you pled guilty to taking a man's possessions that didn't belong to you, but you also blather on about how that doesn't fit your definition of theft because that man didn't really need said possessions so we can't charge you for it; how do you think that would go?

Why do I need to apologise for people deciding that my definition (which I led with before using the word) was unsatisfactory. Tis your problem chum, not mine.

So you thought you'd wrap it up by telling me the meaning of the analogy I that I used in a context that I chose? Uber genius man... :killingme gold in fact. You're wrong, again, that's not what my analogy was meaning. Go figure.

[Akzle]

(b) in any public place,
addresses any words to any
person INTENDING to threaten,
alarm, insult, or offend that
person;


spot the charge.

[Oscar]

(b) in any public place,
addresses any words to any
person INTENDING to threaten,
alarm, insult, or offend that
person;


spot the charge.

I'm hoping that he will try and prove his point by using the word in a public place.
Say the gallery of Parliment...

[mashman]

Thanks for that, I actually laughed out loud.

Tell me again what the definition of the word is...you're funny but sad at the same time.

Perhaps you might wish to read it for yourself. It's only a few pages back...

[bogan]

Why do I need to apologise for people deciding that my definition (which I led with before using the word) was unsatisfactory. Tis your problem chum, not mine.

So you thought you'd wrap it up by telling me the meaning of the analogy I that I used in a context that I chose? Uber genius man... :killingme gold in fact. You're wrong, again, that's not what my analogy was meaning. Go figure.

I would say that if everyone thinks you are a bigoted cunt (and we are fully justified in thinking that), then it is your problem. After all, if you were ok with us thinking that, why all this blather on trying (and failing miserably) to convince us you are not?

No, I just supplied an accurate analogy to point out why your hopes are unfounded. You didn't supply an analogy at all, so I'm not sure how you think I interpreted you analogy wrong; I guess you've gone from scientific illiteracy to just illiteracy now.

[Oscar]

I would say that if everyone thinks you are a bigoted cunt (and we are fully justified in thinking that), then it is your problem. After all, if you were ok with us thinking that, why all this blather on trying (and failing miserably) to convince us you are not?

.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to bogan again.

His mate aklze don't seem to care that he's a bigoted cunt.
Perhaps Mashy could take some harden up lessons from him..

[mashman]

I would say that if everyone thinks you are a bigoted cunt (and we are fully justified in thinking that), then it is your problem. After all, if you were ok with us thinking that, why all this blather on trying (and failing miserably) to convince us you are not?

No, I just supplied an accurate analogy to point out why your hopes are unfounded. You didn't supply an analogy at all, so I'm not sure how you think I interpreted you analogy wrong; I guess you've gone from scientific illiteracy to just illiteracy now.

You have zero justification for it for the very reason that it is your interpretation despite having been told otherwise. Why shouldn't I defend my position if it is questioned?

No, you did what I decided that you did and for the reasons that I decided that you did it.

[ducatilover]

You have zero justification for it for the very reason that it is your interpretation despite having been told otherwise. Why shouldn't I defend my position if it is questioned?

No, you did what I decided that you did and for the reasons that I decided that you did it.

I think scholars of the English language would vomit on you.
But I still love you

[oldrider]

Pot kettle black ... take your pick there is not much kudos being generated on either side of this err "discussion"! :thud: . :oi-grr:

[bogan]

You have zero justification for it for the very reason that it is your interpretation despite having been told otherwise. Why shouldn't I defend my position if it is questioned?

No, you did what I decided that you did and for the reasons that I decided that you did it.

Even if we take your position as stated, that you used said word in a different and unfavorable context with no reference to its traditional meaning; there is still the fact that you seek to give or perpetuate the use of said word in an unfavorable context. Ie, you seek to persecute a subgroup of society by adding a tainted meaning to the word which describes them; that alone makes you a bigot. Also, it is not just questioned, it is judged; and found lacking, the only reason for a defense is if you care about that judgment.

Illiteracy it is then.


And then there is this gem...

Nothing conveys being willing to sell your gran without as second thought like the word jew.
That isn't referring to your updated definition, that is referring to the word itself.

[mashman]

I think scholars of the English language would vomit on you.
But I still love you

That's quite possible, yet that doesn't change my definition of the word as I used it when I was 8... although they petition to have the definition added to the dictionary ;).
I love you too... as long as you're a white new zealander.

[Banditbandit]

Here's a suggestion

This thread should be moved to Pointless Drivel. That's what it's become. Everyone's become entrenched in their own noise ...

Mods? MODS MODS ????

[mashman]

Even if we take your position as stated, that you used said word in a different and unfavorable context with no reference to its traditional meaning; there is still the fact that you seek to give or perpetuate the use of said word in an unfavorable context. Ie, you seek to persecute a subgroup of society by adding a tainted meaning to the word which describes them; that alone makes you a bigot. Also, it is not just questioned, it is judged; and found lacking, the only reason for a defense is if you care about that judgment.

Illiteracy it is then.


And then there is this gem...

That isn't referring to your updated definition, that is referring to the word itself.

So now you want to set the context. My mates would call me a jew, I would call them a jew, none of us were Jewish, none of us hated each other. Persecute a subgroup? Where did I do that? You're grouping people now and trying to force that into my mouth. Come on, why so desperate?

Stop telling me how to use words that you know nothing of... that's just ignorant.

[mashman]

Here's a suggestion

This thread should be moved to Pointless Drivel. That's what it's become. Everyone's become entrenched in their own noise ...

Mods? MODS MODS ????

I haven't become entrenched, I know what all of the meanings of the word are :D

[Oscar]

Stop telling me how to use words that you know nothing of... that's just ignorant.

Mashy brings the ironing...

[Banditbandit]

I haven't become entrenched, I know what all of the meanings of the word are :D

Arrrggghhh Mashie my friend - you are just as entrenched as the rest of the silly buggers involved in this argument ...

[bogan]

So now you want to set the context. My mates would call me a jew, I would call them a jew, none of us were Jewish, none of us hated each other. Persecute a subgroup? Where did I do that? You're grouping people now and trying to force that into my mouth. Come on, why so desperate?

Stop telling me how to use words that you know nothing of... that's just ignorant.

Actually it is basic literacy that sets the context. But, to summarize, you want the word jew to mean something bad; yet you do not think jews or any others have a right to take offense at your co-opting of the main word used to represent that subgroup of society.

[mashman]

Arrrggghhh Mashie my friend - you are just as entrenched as the rest of the silly buggers involved in this argument ...

If you say so.


Actually it is basic literacy that sets the context. But, to summarize, you want the word jew to mean something bad; yet you do not think jews or any others have a right to take offense at your co-opting of the main word used to represent that subgroup of society.

Wrong by a military mile. I never said that I wanted to use the word in a given way, but that I had used that word in a particular way that fit the definition of my peers and in no way have I ever said that another person is unallowed to use the word in the way that they see fit... I leave such fucktardery to you guys. Better stories cuzzy bro.

[Oscar]

If you say so.



Wrong by a military mile. I never said that I wanted to use the word in a given way, but that I had used that word in a particular way that fit the definition of my peers and in no way have I ever said that another person is unallowed to use the word in the way that they see fit... I leave such fucktardery to you guys. Better stories cuzzy bro.

So you won't object to me using the phrase "Bigoted Cunt" about you as that's how me and my peers describe people like you.

[bogan]

Wrong by a military mile. I never said that I wanted to use the word in a given way, but that I had used that word in a particular way that fit the definition of my peers and in no way have I ever said that another person is unallowed to use the word in the way that they see fit... I leave such fucktardery to you guys. Better stories cuzzy bro.

Ah, so now the bigoted coward is hiding behind it being his 'peers' definition; and some other illiterate bullshit. Welcome to my ignore list, and in a two for one deal that other bigoted shitlord can go back on it too.

[Akzle]

Actually it is basic literacy that sets the context. But, to summarize, you want the word jew to mean something bad; yet you do not think jews or any others have a right to take offense at your co-opting of the main word used to represent that subgroup of society.

nigger .

[mashman]

So you won't object to me using the phrase "Bigoted Cunt" about you as that's how me and my peers describe people like you.

Fill yer boots if it makes you feel better.


Ah, so now the bigoted coward is hiding behind it being his 'peers' definition; and some other illiterate bullshit. Welcome to my ignore list, and in a two for one deal that other bigoted shitlord can go back on it too.

Bye.

[ducatilover]

I love you too... as long as you're a white new zealander.

Silky white baby

[mashman]

Silky white baby

Oh dear, I wasn't quite prepared for my reaction to that :love:

[ducatilover]

Oh dear, I wasn't quite prepared for my reaction to that :love:

You're easy! Makes my job much easier I spose