The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[Akzle]

And how many other activities apart from terrorism would you link with armed people in military fatigues that are not part of the national armed (or similar) forces training in the bush, using molotov cocktails, anti-ambush techniques etc?

You just KNOW they were wannabe terrorist dreamers and losers, doncha...

Not so much fatigues, but bullet proof vests, wool trousers and slinging a belt full of weapons...
In an unflattering shade of blue.
wannabe terrorist loosers indeed.

[Akzle]

Yer yanking my chain.....right????

im yanking something...

[Winston001]

Funny thing about Tame Iti. I used to think he was a dangerous hothead with a kinda Black Power mentality and he'd end up shot by someone. However after the "terrorist" trials I rather warmed to him and even felt sympathetic. You are right, he is more intelligent than he seems, and his intentions are founded in deep historical grievances.

FWIW Ken Mair also appears reasonable when he is away from the protest front line.

The irony is that if these guys had stuck to due process under Queen Victoria's law (ie. the British legal system we have) they would see their demands recognised and settled. Which is exactly what has happened. The occupation of Motua Gardens and the guerrilla training in the Ureweras were unnecessary acts which only served to dangerously alienate the vast majority of the public.

Ngai Tahu got 1/3 of the South Island's economy without firing a shot.

[Coolz]

[QUOTE=scissorhands;1130588474]Labour offers no competition, its a farce

QUOTE]

You could be right

[Brian d marge]

Funny thing about Tame Iti. I used to think he was a dangerous hothead with a kinda Black Power mentality and he'd end up shot by someone. However after the "terrorist" trials I rather warmed to him and even felt sympathetic. You are right, he is more intelligent than he seems, and his intentions are founded in deep historical grievances.

FWIW Ken Mair also appears reasonable when he is away from the protest front line.

The irony is that if these guys had stuck to due process under Queen Victoria's law (ie. the British legal system we have) they would see their demands recognised and settled. Which is exactly what has happened. The occupation of Motua Gardens and the guerrilla training in the Ureweras were unnecessary acts which only served to dangerously alienate the vast majority of the public.

Ngai Tahu got 1/3 of the South Island's economy without firing a shot.

and I am right behind them

couple of things I worry about are , IF they do get power of some sort , will it be the same mess as now cept the skin color , tuku morgans underpants

OR will they actually have NZ best interest at heart , aka Iceland

Anyway on to nut jobs in the bush with fire arms . Bling goes to whom ever can find a video of "Survivalists, preppers etc , the nuttiest nut job dressed in cammo wins some bling

Stephen

[scissorhands]

Bling goes to whom ever can find a video of "Survivalists, preppers etc , the nuttiest nut job dressed in cammo wins some bling

Stephen

Dont forget blackedout ninjas
I doubt Akzle has uploaded anything to youtube
like most militias he probably likes to fly under the radar?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYIK_bRf9WI

[Akzle]

Anyway on to nut jobs in the bush with fire arms . Bling goes to whom ever can find a video of "Survivalists, preppers etc , the nuttiest nut job dressed in cammo wins some bling

Stephen

'coyote hunting' something or other.
theres one with a redneck, the comentary is great
"hoo eee! Boy! i dun put a hurtin on him"

and no. I dont drill, beyond shooting practice. The warfare will be urban, and i fucking hate urban.
I also heard they were doing break contact drills. Fucken pussies.

[Oscar]

er. To answer your first question: Wite folk with blankets and muskets and legislation.

Now, i take it you actually still have no answers to any of mine?

About how you can opt out?
Very tricky if ya still want to live in NZ and not Somalia.
Move to Gannett Island?

[Brian d marge]

Dont forget blackedout ninjas
I doubt Akzle has uploaded anything to youtube
like most militias he probably likes to fly under the radar?


he done gone ninja on me , i cant open the link because of country viewing rights

Stephen

[blue rider]

hahahahahahah
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8972743/US-spy-agencies-eavesdrop-on-Kiwi


via digby
http://digbysblog.blogspot.co.nz/2013/07/is-kiwi-our-canary-in-coal-mine-new.html

hahahahahah

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/mcclatchy-asks-if-us-spied-its-reporter


hahahahahah

[blue rider]

cause no one does it better





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA

[mashman]

Anyway on to nut jobs in the bush with fire arms . Bling goes to whom ever can find a video of "Survivalists, preppers etc , the nuttiest nut job dressed in cammo wins some bling

Stephen

http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Bradley-Manning2.jpg

[Akzle]

http://i2.listal.com/image/1745423/600full-full-metal-jacket-screenshot.jpg
. .
Because only well adjusted individuals want a job that involves being yelled at a lot and killing people.

[mashman]

Because only well adjusted individuals want a job that involves being yelled at a lot and killing people.

Oi, ees not wearin camo.

[oldrider]

Oi, ees not wearin camo.

Yes he is ... you just can't see it! (you have to be trained for that!) :shifty:

[mashman]

Yes he is ... you just can't see it! (you have to be trained for that!) :shifty:

ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa... green sent, although you may not be able to see it.

[Scuba_Steve]

Oi, ees not wearin camo.

Or is he!

http://www.humordevil.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/humordev347.jpg

[Brian d marge]

manning , na

we need a tennasee drawl and a fkin great big gun ........

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Or is he!



now we are cooking with gas

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

http://i2.listal.com/image/1745423/600full-full-metal-jacket-screenshot.jpg
. .
Because only well adjusted individuals want a job that involves being yelled at a lot and killing people.

How did you do that , is that a setting on photo-shop , you have some how photo-shopped half of the country and most of the parliament ,
Spill the beans , did Oscar send a photo for you to play around with ? or is that a generic photo of a national supporter

Bling for the effort involved in that photo-shop

Stephen

ps mods ( photo left there for effect , dont you have a kiniption and ur load , just leave it )

[unstuck]

The webs is full of the IDIOTS............
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/KkdfaefKAzA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>:weird::weird:



http://www.worldcrunch.com/eyes-on-the-u.s./apocalypse-now-american-survivalists-ready-with-gas-guns-and-protein-bars/prepper-survivalist-wild-rapture-disaster/c5s12504/

[blue rider]

and because we all like a laugh with our coffee

back packs and pressure cooker = evil evil terrorist

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/08/government-knocking-doors-because-google-searches/67864/#.UfqCSAXy7zQ.facebook

[unstuck]

Shit, they may come kicking down my door one day then, I have been looking up diesel and fertilizer on the same day.:shit:

If only I knew when they were coming, I could bake them a cake.

[mashman]

and because we all like a laugh with our coffee

back packs and pressure cooker = evil evil terrorist

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/08/government-knocking-doors-because-google-searches/67864/#.UfqCSAXy7zQ.facebook

heh heh heh... it was just another round in Precogs v Computers. Precog, WIN.

[mashman]

The webs is full of the IDIOTS............

but did you see Venezuela's new Sports Minister? om nom nom nom

[unstuck]

but did you see Venezuela's new Sports Minister? om nom nom nom

Agreed.:shifty::woohoo:

[Banditbandit]

but did you see Venezuela's new Sports Minister? om nom nom nom

HOT HOT HOT


http://www.elsindical.com.ar/notas/var/www/html/notas/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Alejandra-Ben%C3%ADtez-2.jpg

[unstuck]

HOT HOT HOT

YIP, She could do with a pie and a bag of chips occasionally though.:msn-wink:

[Scuba_Steve]

Venezuela... Doing it RIGHT!!! :woohoo:

[oldrider]

Well, she looks like she is willing to share a few pointers with those that seek it! :eek5:

[oldrider]

ps mods ( photo left there for effect , dont you have a kiniption and ur load , just leave it )

You can be sent to the naughty boys room for doing that, you may be hearing from tha authoritahs any moment now! :2guns:

[Winston001]

How did you do that , is that a setting on photo-shop , you have some how photo-shopped half of the country and most of the parliament ,
Spill the beans , did Oscar send a photo for you to play around with ? or is that a generic photo of a national supporter



This is "Private Pyle" (Leonard Lawrence) acted by http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTk0NTE2MDkzNF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwODUzMjcz._V1._ SY314_CR5,0,214,314_.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1799264768/nm0000352) Vincent D'Onofrio whom you might recognise from Criminal Intent. A fine actor.

The pic is from Full Metal Jacket which I'm surprised you haven't seen. Never mind, recommended.

[Brian d marge]

This is "Private Pyle" (Leonard Lawrence) acted by http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTk0NTE2MDkzNF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwODUzMjcz._V1._ SY314_CR5,0,214,314_.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1799264768/nm0000352) Vincent D'Onofrio whom you might recognise from Criminal Intent. A fine actor.

The pic is from Full Metal Jacket which I'm surprised you haven't seen. Never mind, recommended.
scary movie

not to good with scary movies , Im still in denial over bambis Video nasty especially when his mother died ...

Stephen

amazing how it looks like half the woman in the beehive , though

[Banditbandit]

MMMmmmmm ... Bambi backsteaks ... Thumper burgers ... Nom Nom Nom

[Akzle]

This is "Private Pyle" (Leonard Lawrence) acted by http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTk0NTE2MDkzNF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwODUzMjcz._V1._ SY314_CR5,0,214,314_.jpg (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1799264768/nm0000352) Vincent D'Onofrio whom you might recognise from Criminal Intent. A fine actor.

The pic is from Full Metal Jacket which I'm surprised you haven't seen. Never mind, recommended.

5ft 9 i didnt know they stacked shit that high

i like you, you can come to my house and fuck my sister

only steers and queers come from fuken texas

'private snowflake' -the only black in the movie.

[Brian d marge]

http://www.worldcrunch.com/eyes-on-the-u.s./apocalypse-now-american-survivalists-ready-with-gas-guns-and-protein-bars/prepper-survivalist-wild-rapture-disaster/c5s12504/

heading in the right direction.....

Our house does have " A survival bag" ,,,for earthquakes and no beer ...

but why the need for all tha cammo stuff is beyond me

Stephen

[oldrider]

Everybody needs something to cling to or belong to ... when there is nothing obvious, they make it up ... then they equip themselves in an identifiable manner and gather.

Look around you it's what Harley riders cherish, so independent and different that they all look the same.

Then there is religion etc etc etc ... it's what people do .... funny isn't it! :mellow: Then there is KB! :wacko:

[unstuck]

http://c0875922.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/35711.story_x_large.jpg

[gwigs]

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/08/03/gcsb-got-caught-spying-bro-munters-of-cyberspace/

:eek5::blink::crazy:

[mashman]

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/08/03/gcsb-got-caught-spying-bro-munters-of-cyberspace/

:eek5::blink::crazy:

If in doubt, resign, take 3 months money for doing illegal things and dodge going to jail. The head of SOCA has done just that... given that they've been suppressing the names of 102 people, that have broken the law, for the last 5 years whilst sending the private investigators that worked for the 102 to jail, resignation seems to work a treat.

Edity: "Sir Ian Andrews informed Theresa May, the Home Secretary, that he would leave his position early after weeks of damaging revelations over the crime-fighting body in The Independent.

Soca is facing urgent questions over why it failed for years to tackle more than 100 blue-chip clients of corrupt private investigators, including law firms, banks and celebrities." (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/soca-chief-sir-ian-andrews-quits-over-undeclared-interest-in-private-company-8742235.html)

[Brian d marge]

Or just try to remove yourself from society

then get conned into breaking the law

all wacko stuff so far ,

I point you to Ruby Ridge .....

what ever , but shooting a child in the name of the law is just plain wrong .

if I remember that story correctly

While this current setup in NZ I doubt would go that far , I wonder how far it would go if one were to withdraw from society

And could you ? at some point you would have to use society s benefits, at the very least the road !

Stephen

[mashman]

Or just try to remove yourself from society

then get conned into breaking the law

all wacko stuff so far ,

I point you to Ruby Ridge .....

what ever , but shooting a child in the name of the law is just plain wrong .

if I remember that story correctly

While this current setup in NZ I doubt would go that far , I wonder how far it would go if one were to withdraw from society

And could you ? at some point you would have to use society s benefits, at the very least the road !

Stephen

Is society is the owner of that which has been free since the beginning of time. Or have they just put a value on shit and expect that the law will protect that perception? If you have contributed to that society, does your "withdrawal" (if that can be done) mean that you should not be allowed to receive any services or indeed help those who are in need of help? After all Asylum seeker get treated, refugees, aliens etc... get treatment else it breach human rights?

[gwigs]

Or just try to remove yourself from society

then get conned into breaking the law

all wacko stuff so far ,

I point you to Ruby Ridge .....

what ever , but shooting a child in the name of the law is just plain wrong .

if I remember that story correctly

While this current setup in NZ I doubt would go that far , I wonder how far it would go if one were to withdraw from society

And could you ? at some point you would have to use society s benefits, at the very least the road !

Stephen

Yeah you remember it right ,he was a teenager ,they also shot the mans wife whilst she was holding a baby..
Legal murder... eh !
Then shortly after was the Waco incident...:(

[oldrider]

Or just try to remove yourself from society

then get conned into breaking the law

all wacko stuff so far ,

I point you to Ruby Ridge .....

what ever , but shooting a child in the name of the law is just plain wrong .

if I remember that story correctly

While this current setup in NZ I doubt would go that far , I wonder how far it would go if one were to withdraw from society

And could you ? at some point you would have to use society s benefits, at the very least the road !

Stephen

Hmmmm, well they shot that boy (young man) in the van up in Auckland by accident didn't they!

How the fuck that happened is beyond belief to me as an ex pig hunter deer stalker gun owner! :facepalm:

[Banditbandit]

Yeah you remember it right ,he was a teenager ,they also shot the mans wife whilst she was holding a baby..
Legal murder... eh !
Then shortly after was the Waco incident...:(


Yes - and a lot of rightwing Militia and survivalists in 'Merika made a clear link between the two ...



Hmmmm, well they shot that boy (young man) in the van up in Auckland by accident didn't they!

How the fuck that happened is beyond belief to me as an ex pig hunter deer stalker gun owner! :facepalm:


Slightly different - Ruby Ridge they were aiming to hit the people they did - in Auckland it was a miss and a stray bullet that did it .. tho' like you - I can't believe trained cops missed at that range ...

[Akzle]

Slightly different - Ruby Ridge they were aiming to hit the people they did - in Auckland it was a miss and a stray bullet that did it .. tho' like you - I can't believe trained cops missed at that range ...

no they didnt. They hit the suspect, usual description: maori or polynesian of medium height and average build, wearing a dark hoodie. The fact that he wasnt actually guilty of the crime at hand... Well he was black, so probably a criminal anyway, right?
The fact that 5 shots fired, 3 hit the vehicle and of those, one hit him... Trained cops my arse.

[Banditbandit]

no they didnt. They hit the suspect, usual description: maori or polynesian of medium height and average build, wearing a dark hoodie. The fact that he wasnt actually guilty of the crime at hand... Well he was black, so probably a criminal anyway, right?
The fact that 5 shots fired, 3 hit the vehicle and of those, one hit him... Trained cops my arse.

I don't believe that was the incident Oldrider was referring to - I think he meant Halatau Ngaitoko - accdientally shot while sitting in a white van close to where police stopped Stephen McDonald ... who had rampaged all over the place shooting at police - Ngaitoko was killed by a bullet aimed at McDonald - but that actually missed.

I don't remember the incident you are referring to ..

[Akzle]

I don't believe that was the incident Oldrider was referring to - I think he meant Halatau Ngaitoko - accdientally shot while sitting in a white van close to where police stopped Stephen McDonald ... who had rampaged all over the place shooting at police - Ngaitoko was killed by a bullet aimed at McDonald - but that actually missed.

I don't remember the incident you are referring to ..

yeah nah. That one.

[oldrider]

I don't believe that was the incident Oldrider was referring to - I think he meant Halatau Ngaitoko - accdientally shot while sitting in a white van close to where police stopped Stephen McDonald ... who had rampaged all over the place shooting at police - Ngaitoko was killed by a bullet aimed at McDonald - but that actually missed.

Correct!

They had plenty of opportunities previously to get rid of McDonald and they never took them, if they had, that boy would be alive looking after his new baby!

Absolute incompetence by police on that occasion!

Present a weapon at police expect to die immediately fuck the do gooders sitting at home in comfort watching TV don't listen to them! :no:

Shoot the villain first .... then read him/her their rights ... they can think it over or discuss it with their lawyers in the morgue or the hospital! :yes:

[Oscar]

Shit, we have a lot of Monday Morning Quarterbacks here.

[scumdog]

Shit, we have a lot of Monday Morning Quarterbacks here.

In spades..:devil2:!!

I reckon they all should forward their cell-phone number etc to police so that when another crisis comes up the police can contact them to find out what is the proper and correct thing to do...<_<

[scissorhands]

I've done some obedience training with dogs

[Banditbandit]

I've done some obedience training with dogs

And did you learn to do what they told you ????

[Akzle]

In spades..:devil2:!!

I reckon they all should forward their cell-phone number etc to police so that when another crisis comes up the police can contact them to find out what is the proper and correct thing to do...<_<

you homos already have my number.

the answer is usually the same. fuck off and ruin your own day.

[Brian d marge]

Quote:
society is the owner of that which has been free since the beginning of time. Or have they just put a value on shit and expect that the law will protect that perception? If you have contributed to that society, does your "withdrawal" (if that can be done) mean that you should not be allowed to receive any services or indeed help those who are in need of help? After all Asylum seeker get treated, refugees, aliens etc... get treatment else it breach human rights?


Reply,,,,,,

Well we as a social animal can't go it alone , we need the support of others,
Now it becomes an issue of which society,group to join. If you cannot live in, work with the a particular one , are you free to opt out and join another.
By joining another , one as : the froggie: said can be free within the rule of law , as defined by the society or people in that group.
Now in a perfect , symbiotic world , the checks and balances even out and everyone benefits from the group as a whole , everyone gives to that group as well.
If things get out of balance, as they have done in western americanized society's ,greed being a major culprit, then depending on how the energy is flowing in the system , call in money , production wealth whatever, this will leave some people in different states ,
Now if the society is based ideals that are not conducive to human happiness at its basic level , all will have to make compromises , some may think they can adjust , but in reality , can they?
The analogy of a forest , the wild wood everyone struggles , but in a well coppiced wood everything thrives.
Usually the tallest trees are cut back to allow sunlight to the forest floor , at the moment this isn't happening and most people are struggling,
The fixes and cures are ineffective due to the structure and abuse of the system , a population growth of three percent cannot sustain a five percent fractional reserve
And I wish one of these commentators would answer a simple question, does NZ use a fractional reserve system?
Until we go all Iceland on their arses , the shit we put up with will just get worse
Damn lizards

[mashman]

Quote:
society is the owner of that which has been free since the beginning of time. Or have they just put a value on shit and expect that the law will protect that perception? If you have contributed to that society, does your "withdrawal" (if that can be done) mean that you should not be allowed to receive any services or indeed help those who are in need of help? After all Asylum seeker get treated, refugees, aliens etc... get treatment else it breach human rights?


Reply,,,,,,

Well we as a social animal can't go it alone , we need the support of others,
Now it becomes an issue of which society,group to join. If you cannot live in, work with the a particular one , are you free to opt out and join another.
By joining another , one as : the froggie: said can be free within the rule of law , as defined by the society or people in that group.
Now in a perfect , symbiotic world , the checks and balances even out and everyone benefits from the group as a whole , everyone gives to that group as well.
If things get out of balance, as they have done in western americanized society's ,greed being a major culprit, then depending on how the energy is flowing in the system , call in money , production wealth whatever, this will leave some people in different states ,
Now if the society is based ideals that are not conducive to human happiness at its basic level , all will have to make compromises , some may think they can adjust , but in reality , can they?
The analogy of a forest , the wild wood everyone struggles , but in a well coppiced wood everything thrives.
Usually the tallest trees are cut back to allow sunlight to the forest floor , at the moment this isn't happening and most people are struggling,
The fixes and cures are ineffective due to the structure and abuse of the system , a population growth of three percent cannot sustain a five percent fractional reserve
And I wish one of these commentators would answer a simple question, does NZ use a fractional reserve system?
Until we go all Iceland on their arses , the shit we put up with will just get worse
Damn lizards

Absolutely... but why do you have to choose to be a part of any particular society? Why not be a part of all society's (or none, same diff?) and choose to live by your own law? After all, that's what we do irrespective of the laws that "govern" any particular society and unless I'm very much mistaken, society is comprised of human beings, most of whom break the odd law and most of whom live by their own laws.

Iceland are amateurs. We should do it properly :D and close the door on the sort of manipulation that currently takes place from affecting the future... let alone it carrying on in various parts of the world and left to those who really just don't give a shit.

[scissorhands]

Written By Dr. Mercola

The FDA is responsible for overseeing products that account for one quarter of consumer spending in the US, including all prescription and over-the-counter medications, medical devices such as heart valves and stents, and your food and blood supply.

If you are like most people you likely believe that the FDA serves to protect the American public While that was true when the FDA was first formed over a century ago, today that is not at all the case.

What most people fail to understand is the sophisticated ploys that drug company giants are using to manipulate and deceive them from the truth. In fact this deception is frequently criminal as many drug companies were listed in the top 100 Corporate Criminal List.

Modern day multinational corporate influences have severely manipulated the FDA to the point where it is the fox guarding the henhouse. A large portion of its budget comes directly from the drug companies.

The drug companies simply don’t want you to know and understand that with simple and inexpensive lifestyle changes you can avoid expensive and dangerous drugs and surgery for the most part.

What they don’t want you to know is that the drugs that they spend $16 billion on every year to promote to physicians to prescribe to you, are responsible for prematurely killing hundreds of people every day in the US alone.

Let’s not forget the $4 billion dollars that they spend on direct to consumer advertising to convince you to take their drugs. You probably didn’t know that this form of drug advertising is illegal in every other country in the world except New Zealand.

:oi-grr: .... except NZ!

[unstuck]

Stay away from prescription drugs........Easy peasy.:2thumbsup

[Akzle]

Written By Dr. Mercola

The FDA is responsible for overseeing products that account for one quarter of consumer spending in the US, including all prescription and over-the-counter medications, medical devices such as heart valves and stents, and your food and blood supply.

If you are like most people you likely believe that the FDA serves to protect the American public While that was true when the FDA was first formed over a century ago, today that is not at all the case.

What most people fail to understand is the sophisticated ploys that drug company giants are using to manipulate and deceive them from the truth. In fact this deception is frequently criminal as many drug companies were listed in the top 100 Corporate Criminal List.

Modern day multinational corporate influences have severely manipulated the FDA to the point where it is the fox guarding the henhouse. A large portion of its budget comes directly from the drug companies.

The drug companies simply don’t want you to know and understand that with simple and inexpensive lifestyle changes you can avoid expensive and dangerous drugs and surgery for the most part.

What they don’t want you to know is that the drugs that they spend $16 billion on every year to promote to physicians to prescribe to you, are responsible for prematurely killing hundreds of people every day in the US alone.

Let’s not forget the $4 billion dollars that they spend on direct to consumer advertising to convince you to take their drugs. You probably didn’t know that this form of drug advertising is illegal in every other country in the world except New Zealand.

:oi-grr: .... except NZ!

are you sure youre autistic? Not psychotic dissociative?

[avgas]

Let’s not forget the $4 billion dollars that they spend on direct to consumer advertising to convince you to take their drugs. You probably didn’t know that this form of drug advertising is illegal in every other country in the world except New Zealand.

:oi-grr: .... except NZ!
Perhaps there was something in the translation.
Some key facts I pulled out of this was:
- "this form of drug advertising is illegal in every other country in the world except New Zealand."
and
- "$4 billion dollars that they spend on direct to consumer advertising"

Does that mean they are spending $4B to advertise to NZ consumers?

[GCSB Thought Police]

Shit, they may come kicking down my door one day then, I have been looking up diesel and fertilizer on the same day.:shit:

If only I knew when they were coming, I could bake them a cake.

You may be reading up about diesel/charcoal/fertilizer bombs, but looking at your bank accounts we can tell that you do not have enough money to constitute a true threat.

And if we come knocking it wil be too serious for cake.

[Madness]

I reckon they all should forward their cell-phone number etc to police so that when another crisis comes up the police can contact them to find out what is the proper and correct thing to do...<_<

Given that a number of our boys in blue can't even tell the time properly I doubt that some of them could master dialling a telephone number.

[scissorhands]

are you sure youre autistic? Not psychotic dissociative?

well hey I had to look it up

....often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". People suffering from psychosis are described as psychotic. Psychosis is the term given to the more severe forms of psychiatric disorder, during which hallucinations and/or delusions, violence and impaired insight may occur

100% not, I'm very rooted in reality, insight is my middle name


Perhaps there was something in the translation.
Some key facts I pulled out of this was:
- "this form of drug advertising is illegal in every other country in the world except New Zealand."
and
- "$4 billion dollars that they spend on direct to consumer advertising"

Does that mean they are spending $4B to advertise to NZ consumers?

only NZ and the USA has those new drug ads/news items on the TV news, plus certain drug ads during commercial breaks

[Banditbandit]

, I'm very rooted in reality, insight is my middle name




:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oh me too - it is totally characteristic of Austistic people - especially aspergees ...

BUT .. I have learnt that not everyone gets my insights .. in fact often they disagree with me - our reality is not their reality

I have learnt two things from this.

ONE I may not be right and
TWO Don't bother to share your insights - it wastes yours and their time.

[scissorhands]

Most aspegees are near research scientists....

I disagree, I find your contributions valuable and enlightening. You have absorbed much readings, and vomiting it on others is like a gooey orgasm, mmmmmmm:laugh:

Psychology is a harmful practise, and tied with controlling dissonance, dissidents, and peeps who diss the mainstream

Often many 'crazy' peeps are on the money.....

you think you can handle the truth?????

acute perception dont make you crazy
but it can drive you crazy.....

[mashman]

TWO Don't bother to share your insights - it wastes yours and their time.

A quality that should be revered in every teacher.

[scissorhands]

you can talk...


I love ted talks
inspiring commentary

'insight' is one of my favourite wurds

[Banditbandit]

A quality that should be revered in every teacher.

As Robert Heinlein (I think) said ...

<img src="http://www.boredstupid.com/noticeboard/images/pig_to_sing.gif" width="400px"/>



(this used to be on my office wall back when ...)

[scissorhands]

I used to have

'Do not cast your jewels before swine'

which was probably the original

[mashman]

As Robert Heinlein (I think) said ...

<img src="http://www.boredstupid.com/noticeboard/images/pig_to_sing.gif" width="400px"/>

(this used to be on my office wall back when ...)

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”. Einstein. Pigs can sing, but only pigs appreciate their groove it seems.

[Akzle]

i like bacon.

[blue rider]

i like bacon.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Akzle again. :laugh:

[Oscar]

I used to have

'Do not cast your jewels before swine'

which was probably the original

Pearls, not jewels.

Matthew 7:6:

"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."

[Oscar]

A quality that should be revered in every teacher.

A dictum that you ignore at every turn...

[mashman]

A dictum that you ignore at every turn...

I were being sarcastic... so no need for the concern as appreciated as it is.

[scissorhands]

Pearls, not jewels.

Matthew 7:6:
.... nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."
[/I]

I thought pigs were intelligent creatures? Or is all this pig hate just a Judean thing?

[Oscar]

I were being sarcastic... so no need for the concern as appreciated as it is.

I'm not surprised you were being sarcastic - it is generally regarded as the lowest form of wit.

[Oscar]

I thought pigs were intelligent creatures? Or is all this pig hate just a Judean thing?

They are intelligent, but they are also great for getting rid of bodies (ref. "Snatch" & Hannibal Lector).

[mashman]

I'm not surprised you were being sarcastic - it is generally regarded as the lowest form of wit.

Then all is well in your world again. Move along.

[Oscar]

Then all is well in your world again. Move along.

That was a compliment.
Thus far you have appeared completely witless.

[Brian d marge]

Pearls, not jewels.

Matthew 7:6:

"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."

no Matthew is a rehash , the original meanig is "family jewels"

So the original was : Dont cast your ( family ) jewels before swine, lest Rachel tramples them and in turn reduces you to tears
Stephen

[Brian d marge]

I'm not surprised you were being sarcastic - it is generally regarded as the lowest form of wit.

Depends , if it Juvenalian, or Horatian I prefer Juvenalian my self;

it was and still is a high form of wit , used to highlight social inequalities , Mark Twain? , Catch 22 ?

Usually those that regard it as a lower form of wit , lack the insight and flexibility of mind .

These people make excellent cannon fodder

Stephen

[scissorhands]

are you sure youre autistic? Not psychotic dissociative?


Have you been talking with Nurse Ratshit?

Shes a mean bitch
dont challenge her
she gets quite nasty about her god
her medical programming
and all her sacred bullshit

therapist=the rapist

[avgas]

only NZ and the USA has those new drug ads/news items on the TV news, plus certain drug ads during commercial breaks
So just to clarify your previous statement.
It is not illegal to advertise drugs in US? Or as you put it - it is illegal in all countries except NZ?

Does this mean $4B is spent on advertising in USA and NZ?

Facts are kind of important - it is was makes a point rather than an opinion.

Also are you counting "Drug Company Advertising" as "Drug Advertising"? As most drug companies make more than drugs.
I can easy see $4B being spent on advertising moisturiser, shampoo, medical devices, drugs, creams, make-up........ in fact I would think that figure to be much higher.

[avgas]

you can talk...
I love ted talks
inspiring commentary
'insight' is one of my favourite wurds
I once had an interesting discussion with a professor who was asked to do a TED talk, he said he is working on it but the concept concerned him. The thing that concerned him, was that people assumed that after seeing a TED talk - they knew the subject.
When he said he was preparing to do a TED talk, they would tell him "Oh yes, they are great aren't they - the one last week was about Psychology and how we have got it all wrong....." drifting of into a pile of unresearched dribble.
When he asked them if they had done any research on the topic to confirm what the speaker was talking about. The answer was always "No, just watched the TED talk is all".
This scared him a little and I have to agree.

I once read an article about Barry Sheene, but this does not make me wise to the world of motorbike racing. I also have seen TED talks about lots of different things - but I am wise enough to know I am a fool scratching the surface of the subject after watching them.
But I am now aware that people don't know as must as they think they do after watching one. Leaving a false sense of education.

Which is a shame as the purpose of a TED talk is to highlight the idea so people do their own research. But turns out people don't like homework.

Here is another take on it:
http://www.alternet.org/story/155527/why_ted_is_a_massive,_money-soaked_orgy_of_self-congratulatory_futurism
Which I have to agree - as the TEDx conference just gone was way out of my budget.

[scissorhands]

yes 4b in nz and usa

[Banditbandit]

So just to clarify your previous statement.
It is not illegal to advertise drugs in US? Or as you put it - it is illegal in all countries except NZ?



It used to be illegal to advertise presciption drugs in New Zeakabnd ... and it is still illegal in everywhere except 'Merika (These are ads that say "talk to your doctor about what is right for you" kind of statement ... Pharmacy drugs such as pain kilers, cold and flu meds etc have alwsy been allowed to be advertised) It's called Direct to Consumer Advertising ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-to-consumer_advertising

So ads like Avigra, Viagra, Cialis, ads for the various asthmas medications, some of the blood pressure meds, being advertised ... the4y are the ones I can remeeebr seeing.

As you will see from the wiki page there is still some controversy around this practice.

[mashman]

I once had an interesting discussion with a professor who was asked to do a TED talk, he said he is working on it but the concept concerned him. The thing that concerned him, was that people assumed that after seeing a TED talk - they knew the subject.
When he said he was preparing to do a TED talk, they would tell him "Oh yes, they are great aren't they - the one last week was about Psychology and how we have got it all wrong....." drifting of into a pile of unresearched dribble.
When he asked them if they had done any research on the topic to confirm what the speaker was talking about. The answer was always "No, just watched the TED talk is all".
This scared him a little and I have to agree.

I once read an article about Barry Sheene, but this does not make me wise to the world of motorbike racing. I also have seen TED talks about lots of different things - but I am wise enough to know I am a fool scratching the surface of the subject after watching them.
But I am now aware that people don't know as must as they think they do after watching one. Leaving a false sense of education.

Which is a shame as the purpose of a TED talk is to highlight the idea so people do their own research. But turns out people don't like homework.

Here is another take on it:
http://www.alternet.org/story/155527/why_ted_is_a_massive,_money-soaked_orgy_of_self-congratulatory_futurism
Which I have to agree - as the TEDx conference just gone was way out of my budget.

I guess you could compare a lot of that to the Milgram experiment you posted elsewhere. However saying that people are leaving with a false sense of education is a bit elitist in itself really innit. Dontcha reckon those leaving realise that they only have an overview of the subject? Given your psychology example, the guy hasn't stopped to think that an awful lot of conclusions pout forwards by "experts" has been debunked over the years as further understanding has come to light or that a subject like the human psyche can never have a 1 cap fits all solution. It sounds like an ill thought out statement to make.

If we only ever relied on people who did all of the research to produce the results that we come to know and love as fact, we'd be fucked... primarily because there are several other "experts" with opposing views having done just as much research that come up with different results. Essentially they're no better than the person that has the opinion of what suits them best as an explanation.

Meh... the popularist shit is right, because journals have been peer read. Have those peers done exactly the same research? If so, then why are they peer reviewing something that has already, likely, been documented as "achieved"?

Just sayin like.

[Oscar]

Depends , if it Juvenalian, or Horatian I prefer Juvenalian my self;

it was and still is a high form of wit , used to highlight social inequalities , Mark Twain? , Catch 22 ?

Usually those that regard it as a lower form of wit , lack the insight and flexibility of mind .

These people make excellent cannon fodder

Stephen

Being as how I was being sarcastic myself you seem to have wandered in range of the aforementioned cannons...

[Brian d marge]

Being as how I was being sarcastic myself you seem to have wandered in range of the aforementioned cannons...

"I'm not surprised you were being sarcastic - it is generally regarded as the lowest form of wit."

that there is a statement ,

Nice try, your better at providing facts than u are at sarcasm

Stephen

[Oscar]

"I'm not surprised you were being sarcastic - it is generally regarded as the lowest form of wit."

that there is a statement ,

Nice try, your better at providing facts than u are at sarcasm

Stephen

If you wish to be a pedantic troll, you should read all of the conversation:


That was a compliment.
Thus far you have appeared completely witless.

You should stick to making up Bible quotes.

[Brian d marge]

Some porn for the children

http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/john-keys-unhappy-week-at-the-bbc/

Handled it ok, knew his numbers , but completely devoid of reality. either he doesn’t give a shit ( I think) , or is so caught up in the party line , he cannot see the wood for the trees

Stephen

[Ocean1]

Some porn for the children

http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/john-keys-unhappy-week-at-the-bbc/

Handled it ok, knew his numbers , but completely devoid of reality. either he doesn’t give a shit ( I think) , or is so caught up in the party line , he cannot see the wood for the trees

Stephen

Newsflash: Numbers matter more than a reporters provocative brief. They matter more than his opinion and they matter more than yours.

[Oscar]

Some porn for the children

http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/john-keys-unhappy-week-at-the-bbc/

Handled it ok, knew his numbers , but completely devoid of reality. either he doesn’t give a shit ( I think) , or is so caught up in the party line , he cannot see the wood for the trees

Stephen

13th May 2011

You are scratching for material aren't you?

[scissorhands]

13th May 2011

You are scratching for material aren't you?

actually if you want to get started with Shonky....I googled 'john key smil' and autocomplete gave me 'smiling assassin' and 'smiling snake' as search options

there is an endless supply of material....
let get started and we can really party:yes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxRCjwYcc1I

[Brian d marge]

13th May 2011

You are scratching for material aren't you?
Pot kettle
Actually , not sure if you read the news but donkey has been under fire again , this was a link from a current news story
Not my fault if the old story is still relevant
The sad fact is that it IS still relevant

Stephen

[Oscar]

Pot kettle
Actually , not sure if you read the news but donkey has been under fire again , this was a link from a current news story
Not my fault if the old story is still relevant
The sad fact is that it IS still relevant

Stephen

Pot kettle?

Is that all you got?
Pathetic

[scissorhands]

I remember you recently haranguing an opponent for resorting to name calling.

Pot kettle black.

[Oscar]

I remember you recently haranguing an opponent for resorting to name calling.

Pot kettle black.

Is there an echo in here?

[Akzle]

Is there an echo in here?

no. Thats the noise in your head when your two braincells collide.

[Oscar]

no. Thats the noise in your head when your two braincells collide.

Wow, cutting reposte.
What are you, eight years old?

[Akzle]

Wow, cutting reposte.
What are you, eight years old?

i know you are i said you are but what am i?
:p

[Brian d marge]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/9025054/Faith-in-New-Zealand-shattered

yeehaaa

Dont worry it will trickle down , and the markets will decide

Well the market HAS decided ,

hahahahahaahahaaaaa

Stephen

[avgas]

actually if you want to get started with Shonky....I googled 'john key smil' and autocomplete gave me 'smiling assassin' and 'smiling snake' as search options
there is an endless supply of material....
I am yet to meet a politician who actually doesn't swindle the system either during or after.
Off the top of my head:

- Helen Clarke dedicates funds and forces to UN during 1999-2006, was magically appointed Administrator of UN development funds in 2009. Her replacement - David Sheerer, is ex-head of UN.

- Tuariki Delamere reforms the immigration policy in mid-90's, creating loopholes (such as proof of funds, and a points system) for immigration consultancies to "assist" with Department of Immigration (Affairs) to deal with a backlog. TD&A is formed in 1996, 2 months after these reforms. When Tuariki resigns from Goverment in 1998 after trying to coup from Winston. In 1999 TD&A is renamed Tuariki Delamere and Associates (after 12 month stand-down) and is the main consultancy for all immigration "special interests" (people coming to interest with lots of money).

I am sure you can find plenty more about liars who get elected. Greenpeace agreements with DOC, Construction firms and the directors of, Consultancies and government contracts.
I would love to see the 2 degrees of separation between the beehive and novopay - because if it was any other contractor their arses would be caverns due to the reaming they would have received.

People often ask me why I don't vote. My reply is simple. I don't eat shit and smile. Why would I waste my time to elect people I don't want.
If you do - your'e and idiot. Eat shit and smile.

[Brian d marge]

I am yet to meet a politician who actually doesn't swindle the system either during or after.
Off the top of my head:

- Helen Clarke dedicates funds and forces to UN during 1999-2006, was magically appointed Administrator of UN development funds in 2009. Her replacement - David Sheerer, is ex-head of UN.

- Tuariki Delamere reforms the immigration policy in mid-90's, creating loopholes (such as proof of funds, and a points system) for immigration consultancies to "assist" with Department of Immigration (Affairs) to deal with a backlog. TD&A is formed in 1996, 2 months after these reforms. When Tuariki resigns from Goverment in 1998 after trying to coup from Winston. In 1999 TD&A is renamed Tuariki Delamere and Associates (after 12 month stand-down) and is the main consultancy for all immigration "special interests" (people coming to interest with lots of money).

I am sure you can find plenty more about liars who get elected. Greenpeace agreements with DOC, Construction firms and the directors of, Consultancies and government contracts.
I would love to see the 2 degrees of separation between the beehive and novopay - because if it was any other contractor their arses would be caverns due to the reaming they would have received.

People often ask me why I don't vote. My reply is simple. I don't eat shit and smile. Why would I waste my time to elect people I don't want.
If you do - your'e and idiot. Eat shit and smile.

agreed about the "thick as thieves " , but voting is useful in any shape or form , ,me mum stood for office , In order to loose , what she was doing was taking votes AWAY from the incumbent retard to allow the real person to get in ... she , the real person, is still in the beehive and as far as I know , is as honest as u will get ...

Stephen

[avgas]

agreed about the "thick as thieves " , but voting is useful in any shape or form , ,me mum stood for office , In order to loose , what she was doing was taking votes AWAY from the incumbent retard to allow the real person to get in ... she , the real person, is still in the beehive and as far as I know , is as honest as u will get ...

Stephen
"If you ask for the thing you dislike the least - will you ever get what you need?"

Can't remember who said it - suspect it was Maslow or one of his students.
Respect to your mother. I doubt I would last very long there - I have access to explosives, and a very low tolerance for not fixing problems.

[mashman]

People often ask me why I don't vote. My reply is simple. I don't eat shit and smile. Why would I waste my time to elect people I don't want.
If you do - your'e and idiot. Eat shit and smile.


"If you ask for the thing you dislike the least - will you ever get what you need?"

Can't remember who said it - suspect it was Maslow or one of his students.
Respect to your mother. I doubt I would last very long there - I have access to explosives, and a very low tolerance for not fixing problems.



Agreeeded. I guess if it's a free for all you can't blame the polly's for abusing the system really (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9025221/MPs-unite-to-keep-travel-perk-in-house).

[blue rider]

hahahahahahah
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8972743/US-spy-agencies-eavesdrop-on-Kiwi


via digby
http://digbysblog.blogspot.co.nz/2013/07/is-kiwi-our-canary-in-coal-mine-new.html

hahahahahah

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/mcclatchy-asks-if-us-spied-its-reporter


hahahahahah



this post got me a red rep?

please dear KB, add a sarcasm smiley.

everyone who knows me a bit on this forum should have known that the only one who thinks this is funny is Dear Leader Key.

Please the next time give me a red rep for something that at least is offensive.

thanks

[Ocean1]

this post got me a red rep?

please dear KB, add a sarcasm smiley.

everyone who knows me a bit on this forum should have known that the only one who thinks this is funny is Dear Leader Key.

Please the next time give me a red rep for something that at least is offensive.

thanks

I think it's funny.

I don't hold with completely unrestricted behaviour for any entity, much less one that can fuck my life over as extensively as the administration. But you've only got to look at the second of those links to see what's become of journalism over the last generation. They've gone from collectors of relevant news to ratings-driven scaremongers to a wide range of narrow minded activists, fact free and politically polarised as all hell. It's obvious that a great many of them see themselves as enemies of the govt, or at least the govt's policies, and it comes as no surprise that a govt would eventually see them as exactly that.

If you can hold the government responsible for the work it does why can't you hold the news industry responsible for the damage they do? After all the power the govt seeks for the GCSB already exists, and no reporter ever had the slightest compunction in gathering data using exactly the same methods.

Me? I'd do both. Somehow.

[blue rider]

I think it's funny.

I don't hold with completely unrestricted behaviour for any entity, much less one that can fuck my life over as extensively as the administration. But you've only got to look at the second of those links to see what's become of journalism over the last generation. They've gone from collectors of relevant news to ratings-driven scaremongers to a wide range of narrow minded activists, fact free and politically polarised as all hell. It's obvious that a great many of them see themselves as enemies of the govt, or at least the govt's policies, and it comes as no surprise that a govt would eventually see them as exactly that.

If you can hold the government responsible for the work it does why can't you hold the news industry responsible for the damage they do? After all the power the govt seeks for the GCSB already exists, and no reporter ever had the slightest compunction in gathering data using exactly the same methods.

Me? I'd do both. Somehow.



Ocean1, the second link leads to a blog in California run by a rather astute observer of US Politics. She has been at this for 10+ years now and is in not obscure in the States. And while she might be a Democrat she is one without blinkers or pink glasses.


I actually thought all three links were funny to the extend that it shows how the world is intertwined, and just because dear leader would like this issue to be considered Non-news, or half-news here, does not mean it is Non/Half News elsewhere. Global world, information Highway, what goes around comes around lather rinse repeat.
People the world over do not like the spying by the US, and they surely don't appreciate the Leaders of their Countries to give in.

Surely that milk from Obamas Teat can't be that delicious?


The spy bill, the loss of freedom, the loss of privacy of our movements, our comunications is not funny per se....but sometimes one has to giggle, or else we will be constantly crying.
I think its called Gallows Humor.

However, I really was hoping that my first red bling would be for something offensive.
Oh well I have to try harder then...

[Brian d marge]

"If you ask for the thing you dislike the least - will you ever get what you need?"

Can't remember who said it - suspect it was Maslow or one of his students.
Respect to your mother. I doubt I would last very long there - I have access to explosives, and a very low tolerance for not fixing problems.



fraid the game is a foot , it was to remove david carter and get ruth dyson elected , by shifting the unsure David carter voters , ie targeting them either toward labour or the greens it allowed Dyson to get the vote
ANYTHING is/was better than that idiot carter ( whom I notice is speaker of the house ....holy fk batman , THERE IS a nut running the show)

Stephen

[scissorhands]

I've got a sneaking feeling Winston is responsible for the Fonterra botulism scare hype

His comment 2 months ago.... the 'Chinese cannot be trusted....'

The Chinese are also getting stuck into NZ mediawise over leaky homes, Fletchers etc

Dont fuck with us is what I hear

But then supposedly I'm a 'delusional psychotic' devoid of insight so what would I know

[pete376403]

And the PSA virus that hit the kiwifruit was found to have come from China...

Wouldn't surprise me if they supplied the Varroa and RockSnot as well

[avgas]

Possibly. The one thing the came out of this (and is a good thing) is that for all the BS we think we do here - we have cut too many corners with our exports in the last 20 years.
There wouldn't be a bot scare if Fonterra checked product and process PRIOR to export.
There wouldn't be verroa and PSA if MAF stopped terrorising the average joe for an Apple yet let scientists/money makers bring in whatever they wanted.
There wouldn't be meat workers losing jobs and meat stuck on a chinese docs if we had quality control PRIOR to export.

Fuck knows how or why we got rocksnot - but if DOC spent more money protecting the stuff rather than building fancy tracks and huts.......and helicopter pads we might have answer to that also.

We have got caught with out pants down and this time the wind is cold. We need to buck up our braces and change the way we do shit in NZ.
I mean seriously - getting caught with your pants down......by china........ I really don't know how we could fuck up so badly. Why are we paying people to manage this and this is their best effort?

edit : forgot to mention we wouldn't have to spent BILLIONS of $ developing a "Gold" kiwifruit if we didn't export out production vines in the 80's......to our biggest competitors. Talk about selling the golden goose.

[Ocean1]

Ocean1, the second link leads to a blog in California run by a rather astute observer of US Politics. She has been at this for 10+ years now and is in not obscure in the States. And while she might be a Democrat she is one without blinkers or pink glasses.

In who’s opinion is she astute? And what are her qualifications for being an un-biased or dis-interested observer in this particular field? The point is it's not news, it's opinion. It reads to be heavily politically motivated, an attack on an opposing political group and as you’ve demonstrated it's indistinguishable from what you'd find in the local “news”.

You must have been involved closely with an event subsequently covered by the press, yes? Did you recognise the story? See, nowadays the press has nothing to do with informing the public, its stories have just one objective: to sell something. The most inoffensive thing they try to flog is a newspaper, an advertising slot. Stories attempting to embarrass the established government’s activities is routine fare, deserved or not, so it really shouldn’t come as much of a surprise that governments see them as the enemy, that’s exactly how they behave. In some cases there’s little doubt that’s exactly what they are, and the stories they run and the opinion they print has damaging the government as it’s only goal. Why wouldn’t they expect to be treated as an enemy?

So, as I said, by all means limit government’s ability to behave immorally. But let’s limit the corrosive behaviour of political activists pretending to be press entities, eh? If it’s good enough for the govt to have to be open about what information they have and how they got it why isn’t it good enough for the press? It’s not as if they deserve the protection we used to reserve for truly disinterested news gatherers, is it?



I really was hoping that my first red bling would be for something offensive.
Oh well I have to try harder then...

Meh. Offensive is nothing to aspire to. And you’d have to do worse that “dear leader”, although it’s adequate to identify you as an untrustworthy source of accurate information or opinion about this govt’s activities, eh?

[blue rider]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs

[Akzle]

There wouldn't be a bot scare if Fonterra checked product and process PRIOR to export.


hate to break it to you but the botulism bacteria develops anaerobicly. Meaning the 'problem' doesnt happen before the shits canned, two or 3 factories down the line. Also, the fact that THEY pickd it up BEFORE anyone even got sick... Shows what id call acceptable qc.

[Akzle]

oh. Maf ARE dicks, and the meat was a paperwork/ political issue. Not a qc one.

[avgas]

hate to break it to you but the botulism bacteria develops anaerobicly. Meaning the 'problem' doesnt happen before the shits canned, two or 3 factories down the line. Also, the fact that THEY pickd it up BEFORE anyone even got sick... Shows what id call acceptable qc.
All of my process control would have detected the problem prior to it hitting a can. When botulism was not even a consideration.
Just saying.
There is rubber stamp QC and then there is 100% QC - when you deal with critical shit, 99% ain't good enough.

[Akzle]

All of my process control would have detected the problem prior to it hitting a can. When botulism was not even a consideration.
Just saying.
There is rubber stamp QC and then there is 100% QC - when you deal with critical shit, 99% ain't good enough.

really? you're qc for food industry?

how would you possibly pick up parts per billion?

[Ocean1]

All of my process control would have detected the problem prior to it hitting a can. When botulism was not even a consideration.
Just saying.
There is rubber stamp QC and then there is 100% QC - when you deal with critical shit, 99% ain't good enough.

First, no sort of qc system will ever ensure complete cover.
Second, there's no such thing as 100%
I suspect Fonterra's systems are pretty good, but the current issue is nothing to do with good or bad, it's purely political/market driven.

[blue rider]

First, no sort of qc system will ever ensure complete cover.
Second, there's no such thing as 100%
I suspect Fonterra's systems are pretty good, but the current issue is nothing to do with good or bad, it's purely political/market driven.

true taht, however in light of NZ dependency on dairy this case was badly handled. By all of the players.

[blue rider]

oscar,

its cunt/vagina, not dick....even tho it might be a compliment. In that case, cheers bro.

[Oscar]

oscar,

its cunt/vagina, not dick....even tho it might be a compliment. In that case, cheers bro.

If you can't do any better than Denis Leary and "blahblahblah" as an argument, you don't rate anything as useful as a cunt.

[mashman]

If you can't do any better than Denis Leary and "blahblahblah" as an argument, you don't rate anything as useful as a cunt.

:killingme... and that from one who knows. At least you walk your walk.

[Ocean1]

true taht, however in light of NZ dependency on dairy this case was badly handled. By all of the players.

Don't know, don't have anywhere near enough of the relevant facts. Probably never will.
The one thing we do need to manage better is market expectations, there's just no way anyone can meet the standards the general market assumes are currently applicable.

[Swoop]

the 'Chinese cannot be trusted....'

The Chinese are also getting stuck into NZ mediawise over leaky homes, Fletchers etc

Dont fuck with us is what I hear
Most certainly the chinese can't be trusted.

There is something else behind the "instant slagging" of NZ by the chinese leadership. Perhaps another way to get our politicians worried and willing to sell more land/assets to them?

An interesting discussion recently. The Auckland property market: Claims of foreign buyers NOT being responsible for the average kiwi or young family being unable to get onto the property ladder. Bullshit!

Chinese buyers at auction are upping the bidding price and edging out local/resident buyers who need a house (that is what an auction does, however). They are also paying around 1% interest from a chinese bank.
Entire sub-divisions being bought (not just one house) without competitive openness for that type of sale. More often being done behind closed doors...

I know of a house sitting empty. Purchased for 1.8million.
The overseas owner now has a mailing address for his children if they require it (school/Uni, perhaps?)

The sooner that we have a ban on foreign ownership and non-resident purchasing the better. Try buying land or a house in many overseas countries! Perhaps Maori will be the saviour of the country, so long as they do not succum to the bribery and corruption of the chinese and their "thousand grains of sand" approach.

[blue rider]

If you can't do any better than Denis Leary and "blahblahblah" as an argument, you don't rate anything as useful as a cunt.
http://expresswithgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/jasmine.gif

[avgas]

really? you're qc for food industry?

how would you possibly pick up parts per billion?
No need to - called process control.
I used try put the barriers at at the top not the ambulance at the bottom.

Yeah used to work in that scene doing bits and bobs. Fonterra was a good client. Fucking red-zones though. Probably why I am so pissed about the whole bot scare. Here I was getting changed and unchanged through various outfits to get in and out (if your forget something in the car you will be screaming all day) and yet they f-up the line flush process.......

FYI the reason why Keri Juice is always on special is because the Julian date code f's up all the time shifting the date to soon for bbefore. Also their labels are always wonky due to a certain forklift driver parking into the labeller. It never was the same after that.

I got sick of the smell of ammonia that is for sure. Ammonia and milk as a smell is a sure fire way to make me hurl.

Don't miss being on call either.

So yeah to answer you question - no need to pick up parts per billion if you have lockouts that force you to do steps 1-5, not 1, 3, 5, 2. Though in saying that detecting parts per million isn't hard. Can do that with most bio stuff within 48 hours.

[avgas]

I suspect Fonterra's systems are pretty good, but the current issue is nothing to do with good or bad, it's purely political/market driven.
Actually they are great. When they are followed.

Prob is that they are so anal retentive (policies that is) that people get relaxed and fudge the system.
While I don't know the politics of this, if they failed to flush a line.....lets just say someone will get a bollocking about how they bypassed the interlock.

[Ocean1]

Actually they are great. When they are followed.

Prob is that they are so anal retentive (policies that is) that people get relaxed and fudge the system.
While I don't know the politics of this, if they failed to flush a line.....lets just say someone will get a bollocking about how they bypassed the interlock.

Yeah, I work for them sometimes too. The point stands, though, in this case it sounds like a short circuited CIP but no matter how tight your systems are you don't get 100%, ever.

That's not the problem. The problem is the general public have been led to expect 100% safe product, and it doesn't exist.

Product safety has done nothing but improve over the last few decades, based not on improved QA systems compliance but on analysing holes in it and anticipating failures. But you don't hear that reported because it's boring.

So instead of "Nice work people" we get "Slack bastards are poisoning us!" Apply perspective here. Repeat as required.

[Brian d marge]

Actually they are great. When they are followed.

Prob is that they are so anal retentive (policies that is) that people get relaxed and fudge the system.
While I don't know the politics of this, if they failed to flush a line.....lets just say someone will get a bollocking about how they bypassed the interlock.

that means the system is broken , doesn’t work

As an engineer , anytime someone starts circumventing the procedure , the procedure is wrong

You see this every day in badly run companies , usually top town management

an example ; Honda rappongi , design hq , the main door is fingerprint controlled , but the side door is always left open and is the door most often used ......

Stephen

[avgas]

So instead of "Nice work people" we get "Slack bastards are poisoning us!" Apply perspective here. Repeat as required.
Yeah sorry that came out wrong.
Spent far too long working with slack bastards.

As for milk being a dangerous product. Meh.......try dealing with water. People think that shit is full of dangerous chemicals......yet have no idea why they are there or what the doses are.

Or sewage.......it amazes me the numbers of people who want to complain about sewage.....then complain about their rates........but don't join the dots that without rates money we can't treat their shit.

[puddytat]

From the Masters of distraction & deception.....

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/08/13/need-to-distract-from-gcsb-and-snapper-quotas-arent-doing-it-enter-crazy-child-abuse-laws/

[Oscar]

From the Masters of distraction & deception.....

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/08/13/need-to-distract-from-gcsb-and-snapper-quotas-arent-doing-it-enter-crazy-child-abuse-laws/

So all business should stop whilst the GCSB bill is in the house?

[mashman]

From the Masters of distraction & deception.....

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/08/13/need-to-distract-from-gcsb-and-snapper-quotas-arent-doing-it-enter-crazy-child-abuse-laws/

They can prove that the GCSB bill is useful for collecting information on the child bashers and they can then get back to creating a transient prison population and country full of criminals.

[puddytat]

So all business should stop whilst the GCSB bill is in the house?

No, quite the opposite......they should be doing more about the stuff they should instead of consistantly coming up with red herring issues which are designed to take the media pressure off themseves & which they have no serious intent to pass & are often so hairbrained that they know that it would never pass in its presented form. Cunning & patronising.......

[Oscar]

No, quite the opposite......they should be doing more about the stuff they should instead of consistantly coming up with red herring issues which are designed to take the media pressure off themseves & which they have no serious intent to pass & are often so hairbrained that they know that it would never pass in its presented form. Cunning & patronising.......

I think you give "them" too much credit, and that idiot Bradbury must be easily distracted.

The Child Abuse thing is a white paper - it's designed to engender comments.

I'm not sure how that flag comment came about, but I assume it was the result of a question? I can't find a specific press release.
The fish comment referred to a topic which is hot news and has been for a while. As an answer to Trohpy Head's earnest questioning it was funny (you remember humour, don't you?).

You'll be saying that the Govt. timed the dirty whey powder story to divert attention next...although I do believe that Frontera timed that one so it came after their good news about increased returns to farmers.

[Banditbandit]

I'm not sure they timed the child abuse issue to take the heat of the GCSB bill - but I'm sure they timed the snapper issue to do so ..

When Campbell live asked DonKey last night about the GCSB Bill Key said people weren't that interested - ask them about snapper and they will be interested ..

How wrong he is ..

[puddytat]

I think you give "them" too much credit, and that idiot Bradbury must be easily distracted.

The Child Abuse thing is a white paper - it's designed to engender comments.

I'm not sure how that flag comment came about, but I assume it was the result of a question? I can't find a specific press release.
The fish comment referred to a topic which is hot news and has been for a while. As an answer to Trohpy Head's earnest questioning it was funny (you remember humour, don't you?).

You'll be saying that the Govt. timed the dirty whey powder story to divert attention next...although I do believe that Frontera timed that one so it came after their good news about increased returns to farmers.

Nah I wont be saying that but I could therorize that all the bad press is a Karma thing.

And since we're looking thru the same prism as the Evil Empire, maybe we're getting kicked around a bit on the Geo-political football field as a consequence?

[oldrider]

I'm not sure they timed the child abuse issue to take the heat of the GCSB bill - but I'm sure they timed the snapper issue to do so ..

When Campbell live asked DonKey last night about the GCSB Bill Key said people weren't that interested - ask them about snapper and they will be interested ..

How wrong he is ..

He doesn't do that stuff (snapper response) well but I think he is right, most people want it (GCSB) tightened up a bit but don't want the responsibility of owning up to it in case it goes a bit to far.

Sort of like trying to steal 2nd base while still keeping the safety of their foot on 1st base! .... Fucking fence sitters but it's the NZ way! :tugger:

Aotearoa ... land of mediocrity! :mellow:

[gwigs]

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/08/13/urgent-gcsb-public-meeting-on-monday-19th-auckland-town-hall-now-with-nicky-hager-winston-peters/

Meeting on GCSB bill next Monday I,m going...
Wish they had a meeting about the Snapper Quota though cause I,m interested in fish waaay more..;)

[oldrider]

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/08/13/urgent-gcsb-public-meeting-on-monday-19th-auckland-town-hall-now-with-nicky-hager-winston-peters/

Meeting on GCSB bill next Monday I,m going...

Nicky Hager, Winston Peters, Kim Dotcom, Dr Rodney Harrison QC, Jon Stephenson, Seeby Woodhouse, Helen Kelly, Professor Jane Kelsey, Marama Davidson, Russel Norman and Hone Harawira.

Enjoy: What an uninspiring unbiased group of commentators, just that list alone would make me want to vote "for" the bill without hesitation! :doh:

[gwigs]

Nicky Hager, Winston Peters, Kim Dotcom, Dr Rodney Harrison QC, Jon Stephenson, Seeby Woodhouse, Helen Kelly, Professor Jane Kelsey, Marama Davidson, Russel Norman and Hone Harawira.

Enjoy: What an uninspiring unbiased group of commentators, just that list alone would make me want to vote "for" the bill without hesitation! :doh:

Each to his own..

[blue rider]

word from Obama in regards to NSA programme (09/08)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/08/09/remarks-president-press-conference



Over the past few weeks, I've been talking about what I believe should be our number-one priority as a country -- building a better bargain for the middle class and for Americans who want to work their way into the middle class. At the same time, I'm focused on my number-one responsibility as Commander-in-Chief, and that's keeping the American people safe. And in recent days, we have been reminded once again about the threats to our nation.
As I said at the National Defense University back in May, in meeting those threats we have to strike the right balance between protecting our security and preserving our freedoms. And as part of this rebalancing, I called for a review of our surveillance programs.
Unfortunately, rather than an orderly and lawful process to debate these issues and come up with appropriate reforms, repeated leaks of classified information have initiated the debate in a very passionate, but not always fully informed way.


I'm also mindful of how these issues are viewed overseas, because American leadership around the world depends upon the example of American democracy and American openness -- because what makes us different from other countries is not simply our ability to secure our nation, it's the way we do it -- with open debate and democratic process.


So all these steps are designed to ensure that the American people can trust that our efforts are in line with our interests and our values. And to others around the world, I want to make clear once again that America is not interested in spying on ordinary people. Our intelligence is focused, above all, on finding the information that�s necessary to protect our people, and -- in many cases -- protect our allies.

It's true we have significant capabilities. What is also true is we show a restraint that many governments around the world don't even think to do, refuse to show -- and that includes, by the way, some of Americaï's most vocal critics. We shouldn't forget the difference between the ability of our government to collect information online under strict guidelines and for narrow purposes, and the willingness of some other governments to throw their own citizens in prison for what they say online.


white house memo (12/08)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/08/12/presidential-memorandum-reviewing-our-global-signals-intelligence-collec


I believe it is important to take stock of how these technological advances alter the environment in which we conduct our intelligence mission. To this end, by the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I am directing you to establish a Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technologies (Review Group).

on the same day (12/08) release from James Clapper - Director of National Intelligence


At the direction of the President, I am establishing the Director of National Intelligence Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technologies to examine our global signals-intelligence collection and surveillance capability.



the same James Clapper that lied to congress just recently in regards to the secrect spying by the US government on its citizens


questions by conservative writers
http://www.redstate.com/griffinelection/2013/08/09/why-isnt-james-clapper-being-prosecuted-for-perjury/

or by liberal writers

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/12/how_james_clapper_will_get_away_with_perjury/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbZt1zLQ11E

all is well
Oceania was at war with Eurasia; therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia.
George Orwell

[mashman]

Nicky Hager, Winston Peters, Kim Dotcom, Dr Rodney Harrison QC, Jon Stephenson, Seeby Woodhouse, Helen Kelly, Professor Jane Kelsey, Marama Davidson, Russel Norman and Hone Harawira.

Enjoy: What an uninspiring unbiased group of commentators, just that list alone would make me want to vote "for" the bill without hesitation! :doh:

:rofl: nose your to spite cut face your off.

[oldrider]

:rofl: nose your to spite cut face your off.

Possibly true but those types are always strong in opposition to anything.

always have all the answers in opposition.

Then when they get into position to do anything about any of it, they end up doing fuck all! :argh: Talks fucking cheap! :doh:

[mashman]

Possibly true but those types are always strong in opposition to anything.

always have all the answers in opposition.

Then when they get into position to do anything about any of it, they end up doing fuck all! :argh: Talks fucking cheap! :doh:

No doubt... although I'd rather listen to those who are asking the questions than those who aren't giving a shit.

heh... that's unfortunately very true in many cases... although we both know they have to do as they're told once they've been allowed to take the reigns or face the media. Quite possibly why they've been slammed over the years.

[Brian d marge]

]
must spread blah blah

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

I'm not sure they timed the child abuse issue to take the heat of the GCSB bill - but I'm sure they timed the snapper issue to do so ..

When Campbell live asked DonKey last night about the GCSB Bill Key said people weren't that interested - ask them about snapper and they will be interested ..

How wrong he is ..
donkey is either a bithering idiot , toatally up the partys arse , or an absolute evil I dont give a fk sub human

Stephen

Crossbow , early hours of the morning, when the wanker is walking his dog , ....... problem solved

[Brian d marge]

Nicky Hager, Winston Peters, Kim Dotcom, Dr Rodney Harrison QC, Jon Stephenson, Seeby Woodhouse, Helen Kelly, Professor Jane Kelsey, Marama Davidson, Russel Norman and Hone Harawira.

Enjoy: What an uninspiring unbiased group of commentators, just that list alone would make me want to vote "for" the bill without hesitation! :doh:
I have a lot of time for Kelsey , if she is in ,,,it must be true , that woman , apart from being a short haired ,butch lesbo dyke ...is one smart cookie

Stephen

[Oscar]

donkey is either a bithering idiot , toatally up the partys arse , or an absolute evil I dont give a fk sub human

Stephen

Crossbow , early hours of the morning, when the wanker is walking his dog , ....... problem solved

One look at the drivel you write (and this is a great example) and it's obvious who the the fucking idiot is.
Death threats?
Against the PM?
On line?


Fortunately, when the GCSB see the spelling and grammar, they'll figure it's an escaped mental patient (and they won't be far wrong).
You wanker.

[Brian d marge]

all is well
Oceania was at war with Eurasia; therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia.
George Orwell

the least "un truth" hhahahahahahahahaaaa
soo on the nail , if your rich , ya fine , if ya poor they will hunt you down ,,,aka snowden

God loves the " the united states of New Amerkalund "

Stephen

ps must spread the love ,,,,,,sorry

[mashman]

One look at the drivel you write (and this is a great example) and it's obvious who the the fucking idiot is.
Death threats?
Against the PM?
On line?


Fortunately, when the GCSB see the spelling and grammar, they'll figure it's an escaped mental patient (and they won't be far wrong).
You wanker.

:corn:

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4123/4795985254_400e400493_z.jpg

[Oscar]

:corn:


Oh no, it's the other half of the brains trust.

Shall we discuss Keys popularity amongst the prols you despise so much?
Burns you up, don't it?:baby:

[Oscar]

the least "un truth" hhahahahahahahahaaaa
soo on the nail , if your rich , ya fine , if ya poor they will hunt you down ,,,aka snowden

God loves the " the united states of New Amerkalund "

Stephen

ps must spread the love ,,,,,,sorry

So he runs into the arms of that democratic open state - Russia:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh:

[Brian d marge]

One look at the drivel you write (and this is a great example) and it's obvious who the the fucking idiot is.
Death threats?
Against the PM?
On line?


Fortunately, when the GCSB see the spelling and grammar, they'll figure it's an escaped mental patient (and they won't be far wrong).
You wanker.
the only thing of substance you wrote , was "you Wanker" I love wanking it should be an Olympic sport ....

IF you were half way respected , aka SOME people agree with you , I would doff my cap. As Most people tell you " have a nice day " ... Ill stick to the popular opinion and continue as I have and will

nice try Oscar , but your still the fat kid no one likes,,, just get over it

Stephen

[Oscar]

the only thing of substance you wrote , was "you Wanker" I love wanking it should be an Olympic sport ....

IF you were half way respected , aka SOME people agree with you , I would doff my cap. As Most people tell you " have a nice day " ... Ill stick to the popular opinion and continue as I have and will

nice try Oscar , but your still the fat kid no one likes,,, just get over it

Stephen

Popular opinion?
Don't make me laugh.
Have you noticed how many people actually frequent this thread?
Basically it's you and your onanist friend mushbrain, with the odd person popping in to see the freak show.

You and him are a frustrated, big talking, small action political masturbatory club with "radical" ideas that were out of date the moment you scraped them of the collective jiz sock at the stupid end of the interweb.

[blue rider]

i don't despise the guy, i just don't care about him and he surely does not give me the shivers.....
he is a politician who in my own humble opinion is not doing a good job. Full stop.

disclosure, i did neither vote labour nor national.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8743939/John-Key-takes-a-hit-in-integrity-stakes


a bit of a laugh

http://www.imperatorfish.com/2013/06/imperator-fish-nation-undying.html

polls

http://curiablog.wordpress.com/category/nz-political-party-polls/

[Oscar]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8743939/John-Key-takes-a-hit-in-integrity-stakes

By golly, that's up to date, isn't it:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Damantis]

This time, its "Your privacy for a bag of fish"

[Brian d marge]

Popular opinion?
Don't make me laugh.
Have you noticed how many people actually frequent this thread?
Basically it's you and your onanist friend mushbrain, with the odd person popping in to see the freak show.

You and him are a frustrated, big talking, small action political masturbatory club with "radical" ideas that were out of date the moment you scraped them of the collective jiz sock at the stupid end of the interweb.

fat kids throwing toys ,,,hahahahaha

Stephen

[Oscar]

fat kids throwing toys ,,,hahahahaha

Stephen

Stupid kids should use their words.

You should really try harder, otherwise I'll feel guilty about arguing with retards.

[mashman]

Oh no, it's the other half of the brains trust.

Shall we discuss Keys popularity amongst the prols you despise so much?
Burns you up, don't it?:baby:

Where's your other half tonight? Off drinking pineapple juice perhaps?

I don't despise them... but I don't like them much.
Yup... but not as much as yesterday.

[blue rider]

By golly, that's up to date, isn't it:laugh::laugh::laugh:


sorry i have updated my post with some more 'facts'. i posted to soon (i was trying to embed an image from a poll, but it did not work).


i do not make up these 'facts' i merely post a collection of them.

As for his popularity, i guess it is a mixed bag of candys.
die hard key supporters like yourself will swoon over him in 10 years time still, those that despise him will breath a sign of relieve when he is done.

I don't care either way, as I consider labour and national the two sides of the same coin and I will vote for neither of them. Both parties will do what they believe they can get away with, most of what will do will benefit themselfs only.

I think i have asked you before, I will ask you again.

What has John Key done in his years as prime minister that has benefited New Zealand. You as a supporter should be able to answer this question, because I can't find anything.

[Brian d marge]

Stupid kids should use their words.

You should really try harder, otherwise I'll feel guilty about arguing with retards.

I got over it , and still spare my precious moments ...

Stephen

[puddytat]

i don't despise the guy, i just don't care about him and he surely does not give me the shivers.....
he is a politician who in my own humble opinion is not doing a good job. Full stop.

disclosure, i did neither vote labour nor national.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8743939/John-Key-takes-a-hit-in-integrity-stakes


a bit of a laugh

http://www.imperatorfish.com/2013/06/imperator-fish-nation-undying.html

polls

http://curiablog.wordpress.com/category/nz-political-party-polls/

Well no doubt his "integrity" has dipped even more since then.......
What I find heartening is at the end where it says "there is an unease about the Greens "leading Labour" which means they are doing a better job than Labour as opposition & that maybe , just maybe that this unease is a sympton of the zeitgeist . Joe average is getting a little worried about the enviroment & can no longer ignore the unpleasantness of country & community & therefore are more afraid of the messenger than the message which is "it aint working"

[scissorhands]

what a waste of energy you lot do!

[Brian d marge]

sorry i have updated my post with some more 'facts'. i posted to soon (i was trying to embed an image from a poll, but it did not work).


i do not make up these 'facts' i merely post a collection of them.

As for his popularity, i guess it is a mixed bag of candys.
die hard key supporters like yourself will swoon over him in 10 years time still, those that despise him will breath a sign of relieve when he is done.

I don't care either way, as I consider labour and national the two sides of the same coin and I will vote for neither of them. Both parties will do what they believe they can get away with, most of what will do will benefit themselfs only.

I think i have asked you before, I will ask you again.

What has John Key done in his years as prime minister that has benefited New Zealand. You as a supporter should be able to answer this question, because I can't find anything.
MAAATE

he has done wonders ,

In all honesty , he has done a good job !

If I was "The treasury " , " Amerika " , " China " or even one of the boys , Don Key gets my vote every time

just that Four million nine hundred and ninety nine people are rubbing preparation H on their arses trying to stop the pain

Now can we get back to throwing stones at the fat kid, Im bored

Stephen

[mashman]

Now can we get back to throwing stones at the fat kid, Im bored

He must be on a few other boards

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/36561279.jpg

[mashman]

I'm gonna try to find Colin too. He's a ball licker, so they must know each other.

http://www.fernbyfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Colins-Big-Fat-2012-Oscar-Tips-802x321-custom.jpg

[blue rider]

Well no doubt his "integrity" has dipped even more since then.......
What I find heartening is at the end where it says "there is an unease about the Greens "leading Labour" which means they are doing a better job than Labour as opposition & that maybe , just maybe that this unease is a sympton of the zeitgeist . Joe average is getting a little worried about the enviroment & can no longer ignore the unpleasantness of country & community & therefore are more afraid of the messenger than the message which is "it aint working"

It has been for a while now that the "message" is so scary that the messanger needs to be shot down.

The degradation of the environment is getting harder and harder to hide, the weather is getting a bit weirder every year, floods/droughts/hurricanes/tornados/melting arctic and starving polarbears etc etc...yes shoot the messenger, shut up shut up shut up

There is one thing about John Key that I am very sure of, he does not give a dime about a. integrity and b. popularity.

His bottom line looks good, his pockets are filled, and when he has said and done everything he was supposed to do he is going to start a new job with the IMF / Goldman Sachs or similar.


I am still waiting for Oscar to provide me with a sample of John Key doing something that has benefited this country. Crickets? Oh ....Okai than.

[blue rider]

Oi, stop being mean to the fat kid.
t'is not nice.
not nice at all.

kaithxbai

[mashman]

Oi, stop being mean to the fat kid.
t'is not nice.
not nice at all.

kaithxbai

Sorry...........

[Brian d marge]

Don Key DOES care about popularity , uses a trick , from an pulicity guy who helped clinton to his second term . Blair used it as well. DK is doing a great Job

he threw his own toys, and will probably tell teacher ,,,,, life is as it is ...

Stephen

[Oscar]

I am still waiting for Oscar to provide me with a sample of John Key doing something that has benefited this country. Crickets? Oh ....Okai than.

He got you guys motivated to do something...no wait a minute, you're still a bunch of internet blowhards.

[Oscar]

Oi, stop being mean to the fat kid.
t'is not nice.
not nice at all.

kaithxbai

Let them vent.
It's probably the only exercise they get.
It's not like they're actually going to do owt.
They talk a good game:baby:

[Oscar]

He must be on a few other boards



Is that all you've got?
I suppose I shouldn't have expected much.
You're debating at an eight year old level, after all.
Good for you, lad:laugh:

[puddytat]

It has been for a while now that the "message" is so scary that the messanger needs to be shot down.

The degradation of the environment is getting harder and harder to hide, the weather is getting a bit weirder every year, floods/droughts/hurricanes/tornados/melting arctic and starving polarbears etc etc...yes shoot the messenger, shut up shut up shut up


There is one thing about John Key that I am very sure of, he does not give a dime about a. integrity and b. popularity.

.

And I find that worrying indeed......
We are but GOY nah?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goy

interesting that the word covers both sides of a fence.

[mashman]

Is that all you've got?
I suppose I shouldn't have expected much.
You're debating at an eight year old level, after all.
Good for you, lad:laugh:

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Ta.

[Brian d marge]

got to hand it to him , he takes a kickin

Stephen

[mashman]

got to hand it to him , he takes a kickin

Stephen

Prolly more worried about his snapper quota.

[scissorhands]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3R_3h6zQEs

[blue rider]

He got you guys motivated to do something...no wait a minute, you're still a bunch of internet blowhards.


that's it? nothing more...so you can't find anything that the Prime Minister John Key has done in the last couple of years that have benefited the country? Really?

If that is the case, why do you then so ardently support him?

it is clear that I have not much use for the man, but than I don't support him, nor did I vote for him, nor did I ever expect anything from him.
But I did expect a better answer from you.

Internet blowhard? and what are you? One of those?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/106251/2879775-internet_troll.jpg

[Brian d marge]

dont be too hard on fat child , his "happy place " has been moved

can you imagine the trauma this poor person is going through

Once apon a time NZ was a nice rosey place to live and it would trickle down and we would only pay 25% of our student fees
Could you imagine the turmoil one would go through when they realize that this may not be the truth and that they may be fked in their retirement

poor fkers

Stephen

[Oscar]

Prolly more worried about his snapper quota.

Why?

The fishin's good in here:laugh:

Big ole lazy blowfish like you:laugh:

[oldrider]

Despite all this GCSB shit, I would still rather see this government remain in power (such as power is in NZ) than return to any of the other crappy left wing combinations on offer to replace it.

Our Aotearoa ... land of left wing mediocrity! Supercity Auckland ... city of left wing indecision! The list goes on and on, think I will just go (snapper) fishing! :rolleyes:

[Oscar]

Despite all this GCSB shit, I would still rather see this government remain in power (such as power is in NZ) than return to any of the other crappy left wing combinations on offer to replace it.

Our Aotearoa ... land of left wing mediocrity! Supercity Auckland ... city of left wing indecision! The list goes on and on, think I will just go (snapper) fishing! :rolleyes:

You wouldn't want to disagree with 'em - they might call you nasty names.

[Banditbandit]

Wish they had a meeting about the Snapper Quota though cause I,m interested in fish waaay more..;)

They did here - 500 peope turned up to give the Government hell over it ...

[Banditbandit]

You wouldn't want to disagree with 'em - they might call you nasty names.

Coudn't be any worse than the names you lot (the right) call us (the left) ...

[gwigs]

They did here - 500 peope turned up to give the Government hell over it ...

Didnt see anything about it in the news or I wasnt taking any notice ,was there any coverage ?

[Banditbandit]

Didnt see anything about it in the news or I wasnt taking any notice ,was there any coverage ?

The meeting was held in Whakatane .. and reported in Whakatane's Beacon Newspaper - which unfortunately has a subscriber-only web site so I can't show you the story ...

[blue rider]

You wouldn't want to disagree with 'em - they might call you nasty names.



like you do?

Dick anyone?

kettle, pot, black?

[blue rider]

Despite all this GCSB shit, I would still rather see this government remain in power (such as power is in NZ) than return to any of the other crappy left wing combinations on offer to replace it.

Our Aotearoa ... land of left wing mediocrity! Supercity Auckland ... city of left wing indecision! The list goes on and on, think I will just go (snapper) fishing! :rolleyes:

John Banks was a lefty?

Rodney Hide of the supercity fame is a lefty?

so between Dame Shipley and Dear Leader Key we had the "moderate Lefty" Helen Clarke.

And instead of Helen Clarke we had the option of Second in command Mr. English 19%. But for some reason no one wanted to go there. Go figure.



I actually really would like to see a proper lefty run for anything....but it seems that everyone is so scared of the label left that they all try to outdo the "right" side of the spectrum.

as for the current crop of selected public servants, what have they done that has advanced NZ and benefited the country as a whole.
Really I would like an answer to that question. I seem to have a hard time getting one.

[oldrider]

They did here - 500 people turned up to give the Government hell over it ...

So Key was right then! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[oldrider]

as for the current crop of selected public servants, what have they done that has advanced NZ and benefited the country as a whole.
Really I would like an answer to that question. I seem to have a hard time getting one.

Not a lot, I simply said I prefer the current crop better than all the others on offer, you are not alone we would all like an answer to your question!

[mashman]

Despite all this GCSB shit, I would still rather see this government remain in power (such as power is in NZ) than return to any of the other crappy left wing combinations on offer to replace it.

Our Aotearoa ... land of left wing mediocrity! Supercity Auckland ... city of left wing indecision! The list goes on and on, think I will just go (snapper) fishing! :rolleyes:

I'd rather see them both cooperate in our interests without the left/right bent that people seem so desperate to cling on to.

[Oscar]

like you do?

Dick anyone?

kettle, pot, black?

The echo is back.

[Oscar]

Coudn't be any worse than the names you lot (the right) call us (the left) ...

I am a non-partisan curmudgeon (despite some of the hasty conclusions drawn by you and others here).
A dickhead is a dickhead, no matter his political stripe. I include John Banks, Colin Whatsizname Conservative Party Guy and Nick Smith under that heading.

[oldrider]

I'd rather see them both cooperate in our interests without the left/right bent that people seem so desperate to cling on to.

True but I don't think you will ever see that under MMP, even though there is no reason why not I.E. a National/Labour coalition! :wacko:

There still needs to be an opposition to keep things healthy and honest but isn't that what the electorate is there for? :confused:

[Scuba_Steve]

There still needs to be an opposition to keep things healthy and honest but isn't that what the electorate is there for? :confused:

Opposition is an illusion, they're all working towards the same corrupt self-interest goals

[mashman]

True but I don't think you will ever see that under MMP, even though there is no reason why not I.E. a National/Labour coalition! :wacko:

There still needs to be an opposition to keep things healthy and honest but isn't that what the electorate is there for? :confused:

I don't think the system matters? Same people, same positions, same goals etc... only the voting system has changed... the bad shit may well prevent the good shit from getting done. Although as blue rider points out, I haven't seen any good shit happen in a long time, just deck chair shuffling.

True... but I do wonder if not toeing the party line is job suicide? Nahhhhh, we're here to be told what we have voted for and to STFU or vote in 3 years time once the damage is done.

[Oscar]

True but I don't think you will ever see that under MMP, even though there is no reason why not I.E. a National/Labour coalition! :wacko:

There still needs to be an opposition to keep things healthy and honest but isn't that what the electorate is there for? :confused:

I think the time has passed for a Grand Coalition (which was talked about a few years ago).
There was a time when Labour and National were almost indistinguishable in the centre, but I think that’s passed. Say what you like about Shearer, but he has made Labour more distinct doctrinally (with some help from his Green pals).

[Oscar]

Opposition is an illusion, they're all working towards the same corrupt self-interest goals

Self interest in politics?:facepalm:
No:lol:
Surely not:lol:

Seriously, were you born yesterday?
Human nature is all about self interest.
You complaining about self interest is a self interested action on your behalf.
And as for corruption, that's all in the eye of the beholder.

[Banditbandit]

So Key was right then! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Naaa .. more than that turned up the anti-GCSB Bill rallies ...

[MisterD]

Naaa .. more than that turned up the anti-GCSB Bill rallies ...

I doubt any of them had accounts at Gold Coast Savings Bank either.

[oldrider]

I think the time has passed for a Grand Coalition (which was talked about a few years ago).
There was a time when Labour and National were almost indistinguishable in the centre, but I think that’s passed. Say what you like about Shearer, but he has made Labour more distinct doctrinally (with some help from his Green pals).

It wouldn't surprise me if that little fruit salad group doesn't turn out responsible for the Fontera contamination scare!
A little irresposible political sabotage on our current "clean green image" would be right up some of their supporters ally! :wacko:

[Brian d marge]

Treasury statement of intent 2013 to 2017 page 13

The plan has already been decided , doesnt matter who is the mouth. All you can hope for is someone who gives a monkeys about the weakest members of society

It isnt Donkey

Stephen

oh and btw , hows those power prices , Yes folks privatisation leads to competition and lower prices. They told me so.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9040871/Orion-curtailed-by-Commerce-Commission

[oldrider]

Treasury statement of intent 2013 to 2017 page 13

The plan has already been decided , doesnt matter who is the mouth. All you can hope for is someone who gives a monkeys about the weakest members of society

It isnt Donkey

Stephen


Maybe true! In a fucked up world it's only natural that a little country like ours will struggle to keep up or be heard!

Little people from a little country with little idea about what's going on or what to do about it!

If we changed the leaders every day until everyone had had a go at being the leader there would still only be little change!

So there you have it, the people we have there now is about as good as it gets internationally.

Internally it isn't really much different and your kidding yourself if you think that any of them "really care" about the weakest members of our society!

The only consistent thing that I have noticed since the 1940's is that they appear to have got worse and have increased their numbers! :sick:

[puddytat]

Lest they forget.......

[pete376403]

[QUOTE=mashman;1130596883]I don't think the system matters? Same people, same positions, same goals etc... only the voting system has changed... the bad shit may well prevent the good shit from getting done. Although as blue rider points out, I haven't seen any good shit happen in a long time, just deck chair shuffling.

True... but I do wonder if not toeing the party line is job suicide? QUOTE]

As far as the politician goes - not toeing the line does go badly for them, eg John A Lee, or more recently Marilyn Waring

[mashman]

Lest they forget.......

Indeedy

http://doblelol.com/thumbs/mahatma-gandhi-quotes-wallpaper-funny_4974754230897274.jpg

[Brian d marge]

The idiots are at it again .....

2 forms of the spying bill

Meridian

an Aluminium smelter ( not sure whats going on with that )

anything else Ive missed ?????

Stephen

[Swoop]

that means the system is broken , doesn’t work

As an engineer , anytime someone starts circumventing the procedure , the procedure is wrong

an example ; Honda rappongi , design hq , the main door is fingerprint controlled , but the side door is always left open and is the door most often used .

This is common and will become a much larger issue in the future.

People fail to see that the more "complex" a procedure is, the less that it will be complied with.

Make a simple system and people will use it immediately. Government and local body bureaucracy are classic examples of creating procedures that essentially force individuals to disobey the rules due to them being so complex you need an Inuit guide, map, compass & GPS to work out where to even begin.

[Brian d marge]

This is common and will become a much larger issue in the future.

People fail to see that the more "complex" a procedure is, the less that it will be complied with.

Make a simple system and people will use it immediately. Government and local body bureaucracy are classic examples of creating procedures that essentially force individuals to disobey the rules due to them being so complex you need an Inuit guide, map, compass & GPS to work out where to even begin.

Inuit guide, fk thats what I should have been doing

A toothless fish eating wise man , born of a virgin on eve of saint swithins day

onto it !

Stephen

[puddytat]

Wakey wakey....:yawn:
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/11/18/horror-regimes-identity-crises-and-self-serving-sycophancy/

[Akzle]

Wakey wakey....:yawn:
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/11/18/horror-regimes-identity-crises-and-self-serving-sycophancy/

tl.dr.
The jews are at it again?

[oldrider]

Wakey wakey....:yawn:
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/11/18/horror-regimes-identity-crises-and-self-serving-sycophancy/

What a lot of left wing twaddle ffs! :facepalm:

[Brian d marge]

It doesnt matter just as long as u have your bases covered and are cool with ya daily grind

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[puddytat]

Well you're going to love this then Oldy....
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/11/19/why-i-think-john-key-might-win-2014-election/

[puddytat]

tl.dr.
The jews are at it again?

When do they stop?
Er wots tl.dr?

[BoristheBiter]

Well you're going to love this then Oldy....
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/11/19/why-i-think-john-key-might-win-2014-election/

Man how true is that.

And it will continue as the majority of people do not want the greens or mana anywhere near the beehive as they are to prone to personal attacks than coming up with anything coherent.

At the moment the nats have around 47% support but will probably lose due to labour's ability to sell the voting public down the river buy giving into the greens and mana and any other party that will get them over the threshold of power.

This would have to be the single biggest reason why i would never vote for them and i know a lot of other people that feel the same.
More of a vote against the left than a vote for the right.

[Bassmatt]

At the moment the nats have around 47% support but will probably lose due to labour's ability to sell the voting public down the river buy giving into the greens and mana and any other party that will get them over the threshold of power.

.

:rolleyes:
ACT, Maori Party, Peter Dunne.

[BoristheBiter]

:rolleyes:
ACT, Maori Party, Peter Dunne.

Yep you're right, but they haven't needed all of them at the same time.
in fact they have never needed the Maori party ever.
They have even tried to work with the greens but that lot would cut their nose to spite their face.

The nats have shown how to use MMP without giving up the core party beliefs, something that labour has never been able to do and this i feel is the main cause of their poor showing in the poles.

I guess it helps when you have such a clear majority.

[oldrider]

Well you're going to love this then Oldy....
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/11/19/why-i-think-john-key-might-win-2014-election/

Left or right leaning extremists are like birds with one wing clipped, they fly around in ever diminishing circles until they disappear up their own arse hole!

Balanced Journalists are few and far between ... probably because extremism gathers more temporary traction and people have to eat! :doh:

[Banditbandit]

What a lot of left wing twaddle ffs! :facepalm:

So how do you account for or explain the stance of the British Rightwing party - the Tory party ... Cameron certainly put the issue of human rights abuses and war crimes on the table - loud and clear ...


Man how true is that.

And it will continue as the majority of people do not want the greens or mana anywhere near the beehive as they are to prone to personal attacks than coming up with anything coherent.

At the moment the nats have around 47% support but will probably lose due to labour's ability to sell the voting public down the river buy giving into the greens and mana and any other party that will get them over the threshold of power.

This would have to be the single biggest reason why i would never vote for them and i know a lot of other people that feel the same.
More of a vote against the left than a vote for the right.

The difference is that the New Zealand left wing have always been a collection of parties ... Labour, the Alliance, New Labour, Values party, etc etc. The right wing have managed the same processes but within the party - the Natuional Party - do you seriously think that the curretn bunch of Nats are a coherent group? The diversity is within the party - the left have a tendency to set up separate parties .. same thing, different names ...

The Nats did start as a coalition government - between the Reform and Liberal parties .. which formed one bloc in 1936 ... (You all think coalition Governments came to Godzone following MMP didn't you ... )


Yep you're right, but they haven't needed all of them at the same time.
in fact they have never needed the Maori party ever.
They have even tried to work with the greens but that lot would cut their nose to spite their face.

The nats have shown how to use MMP without giving up the core party beliefs, something that labour has never been able to do and this i feel is the main cause of their poor showing in the poles.

I guess it helps when you have such a clear majority.

:killingme The Nats have core beliefs ??? I wonder if John Key knows that ... or are they woerth about 20 pokie machines each ???

And the Greens did not cut off their nose to spite their faces - they refused to give up core beliefs to join a coalition Government - unlike other parties ...

Can't you see the internal inconsistencies in your statements ???

[BoristheBiter]

The difference is that the New Zealand left wing have always been a collection of parties ... Labour, the Alliance, New Labour, Values party, etc etc. The right wing have managed the same processes but within the party - the Natuional Party - do you seriously think that the curretn bunch of Nats are a coherent group? The diversity is within the party - the left have a tendency to set up separate parties .. same thing, different names ...

The Nats did start as a coalition government - between the Reform and Liberal parties .. which formed one bloc in 1936 ... (You all think coalition Governments came to Godzone following MMP didn't you ... ) Never said they did.



:killingme The Nats have core beliefs ??? I wonder if John Key knows that ... or are they woerth about 20 pokie machines each ???

And the Greens did not cut off their nose to spite their faces - they refused to give up core beliefs to join a coalition Government - unlike other parties ... I guess you mean Labour.

Can't you see the internal inconsistencies in your statements ???

No. can you please point them out.

[Swoop]

With all the dribble about the Air NZ share sale, this article was very interesting. Perhaps a few from the labour-supporting side of the fence might like a read?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11159655

Part:
But in essence, Labour invented the mixed-ownership model with its 1980s privatisation of the Bank of New Zealand and its later recapitalisation of the airline in 2001 which put it in the box seat with an 82 per cent stake (later reduced to 76 per cent after a rights issue).

It's also worth recalling that the Clark Government wanted Air NZ to form an alliance with Qantas a decade ago, which would have resulted in the Government's stake being reduced to 64 per cent. No Labour politician - including Cunliffe - raised a squawk then about how allowing another player onto the Air NZ share registry would result in the airline heading towards the knacker's yard, though arguably (and in hindsight) given Qantas' subsequent fortunes that prospect would have held more water than the subjects of this week's politicking.

So, what's the difference now?

The true commercial reality is that the previous Labour Government passed up the chance to recover the $885 million it invested in Air NZ when it recapitalised it in 2001. If Michael Cullen had sold a 25 per cent stake when the share price peaked at $3.12 in June 2007, he would have banked at least $840 million.

[Brian d marge]

With all the dribble about the Air NZ share sale, this article was very interesting. Perhaps a few from the labour-supporting side of the fence might like a read?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11159655

Part:
But in essence, Labour invented the mixed-ownership model with its 1980s privatisation of the Bank of New Zealand and its later recapitalisation of the airline in 2001 which put it in the box seat with an 82 per cent stake (later reduced to 76 per cent after a rights issue).

It's also worth recalling that the Clark Government wanted Air NZ to form an alliance with Qantas a decade ago, which would have resulted in the Government's stake being reduced to 64 per cent. No Labour politician - including Cunliffe - raised a squawk then about how allowing another player onto the Air NZ share registry would result in the airline heading towards the knacker's yard, though arguably (and in hindsight) given Qantas' subsequent fortunes that prospect would have held more water than the subjects of this week's politicking.

So, what's the difference now?

The true commercial reality is that the previous Labour Government passed up the chance to recover the $885 million it invested in Air NZ when it recapitalised it in 2001. If Michael Cullen had sold a 25 per cent stake when the share price peaked at $3.12 in June 2007, he would have banked at least $840 million.

Strange the
I wonder how the bond market would react if labor went left and or if the greens became the dominant playa

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[BoristheBiter]

Strange the
I wonder how the bond market would react if labor went left and or if the greens became the dominant playa

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Crash. then crash some more.

[puddytat]

Strange the
I wonder how the bond market would react if labor went left and or if the greens became the dominant playa

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I don't know how the Bond market would react but Im sure there would be a concerted subversive attack on our economy from U.S interests & their masters ....as well as rabid "reds under beds" propaganda from MSM & the pouring in of money to fund a destabilising of our society...just like in South America.

I think that as many people would applaud a lefter Labour & dominant Green player as would abhor it.

[Banditbandit]

No. can you please point them out.

Sure - the most obvious one is here ...


Yep you're right, but they haven't needed all of them at the same time.
in fact they have never needed the Maori party ever.
They have even tried to work with the greens but that lot would cut their nose to spite their face.

The nats have shown how to use MMP without giving up the core party beliefs, something that labour has never been able to do and this i feel is the main cause of their poor showing in the poles.

I guess it helps when you have such a clear majority.

Inherent in your respone is the concept that the aim is to occupy the Government benches and that party platforms and ideologies should be subservient to that goal. The is is the assumption of your statement that the Nats tried to work with the grens buit the Greens c ut off their noses to spite their faces.

The Greens said "This is a core thing we need to happen" - and the Nats said "Won't do that". Rather than give up a core ideology/action/belief the Greens did not go into coalition with ther Nats. You frame the greens refusal to give up core beliefs/ideologies and requirements as a bad thing - "cut off their noses to spite their faces were your words ...

But then in the next sentence you applaud the Nats for not giving up their core beliefas to keep the Government benches ...

Major internal contradiction ... the Greens do something and it is bad ... the Nats do the same thing and it is Good ...

[Banditbandit]

With all the dribble about the Air NZ share sale, this article was very interesting. Perhaps a few from the labour-supporting side of the fence might like a read?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11159655



I wonder why you think that ideologically driven comments from a rightwing jornalist would be of interest to Labour supporters ???

(Not being one myself, I did read the article - intersting but not objective .. if there is any such thing).

[BoristheBiter]

Sure - the most obvious one is here ...



Inherent in your respone is the concept that the aim is to occupy the Government benches and that party platforms and ideologies should be subservient to that goal. isn't it what all politicians do now? The is is the assumption of your statement that the Nats tried to work with the grens buit the Greens c ut off their noses to spite their faces. you missed the word "would" out

The Greens said "This is a core thing we need to happen" - and the Nats said "Won't do that". Rather than give up a core ideology/action/belief the Greens did not go into coalition with ther Nats. You frame the greens refusal to give up core beliefs/ideologies and requirements as a bad thing - "cut off their noses to spite their faces were your words ...

But then in the next sentence you applaud the Nats for not giving up their core beliefas to keep the Government benches ...

Major internal contradiction ... the Greens do something and it is bad ... the Nats do the same thing and it is Good ...

Thanks, but I see where you went a bit wrong.
I never said it was a bad thing to keep the core beliefs.
I said the greens "would" as they have said on numerous occasions that they will never work with the nats. I wasn't talking of any point in the past just their standard statement in regards working with the nats.

Just reading to much into it I think.
Actually I have more respect for the greens than anyone else on the left as they generally stick to what they were founded on.

I think that they went into the last round of talks with the nats with this policy so it was always doomed to fail.

I would like to think that all voted MP's could work with each other for the best of NZ but petty party politics keeps getting in the way and we end up with a dogs breakfast no matter who is in government.

[Brian d marge]

Crash. then crash some more.

The cost of the money wold go up ,thats all
Raising the cost of debt servicing
Leading to a business round table on steriods
You would find a raft of new legislation suddenly appearing
If you think the pension would be safe hahahaaa not
Stephen

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[BoristheBiter]

The cost of the money wold go up ,thats all
Raising the cost of debt servicing
Leading to a business round table on steriods
You would find a raft of new legislation suddenly appearing
If you think the pension would be safe hahahaaa not
Stephen

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Lucky the greens will never be a real player then.

[Swoop]

I wonder why you think that ideologically driven comments from a rightwing jornalist would be of interest to Labour supporters ?
Just the simple numbers involved.
The taxpayer financially bailed out Air NZ rather than watch it fold up. Getting "our" money back out of that company and back into public circulation would be better done at a higher return rate than that currently offered. Cullen obviously didn't think so.

[pete376403]

With all the dribble about the Air NZ share sale, this article was very interesting. Perhaps a few from the labour-supporting side of the fence might like a read?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11159655

Part:
But in essence, Labour invented the mixed-ownership model with its 1980s privatisation of the Bank of New Zealand and its later recapitalisation of the airline in 2001 which put it in the box seat with an 82 per cent stake (later reduced to 76 per cent after a rights issue).

It's also worth recalling that the Clark Government wanted Air NZ to form an alliance with Qantas a decade ago, which would have resulted in the Government's stake being reduced to 64 per cent. No Labour politician - including Cunliffe - raised a squawk then about how allowing another player onto the Air NZ share registry would result in the airline heading towards the knacker's yard, though arguably (and in hindsight) given Qantas' subsequent fortunes that prospect would have held more water than the subjects of this week's politicking.

So, what's the difference now?
Is that when AirNZ were supposed to get open access to Australia in exchange for Qantas getting open access to NZ? Which the Aussies subsequently reneged on AFTER Qantas were allowed here?

To gain access to the Aussie domestic market must have been considered worth selling down the share in AirNZ.

[Brian d marge]

Irrespective of the outcome of the referendum, Key said it was still the intention to sell a stake in Genesis next year.

yeeehaaaa ride em cowboy !

Stephen

[Scuba_Steve]

Irrespective of the outcome of the referendum, Key said it was still the intention to sell a stake in Genesis next year.

yeeehaaaa ride em cowboy !

Stephen

thank for "democracy" ay

[Oscar]

thank for "democracy" ay

1. It's spelled "eh".
2. Democracy has naught to do with wasting money on referenda, each time the opposition whines about something.

[oldrider]

1. It's spelled "eh".
2. Democracy has naught to do with wasting money on referenda, each time the opposition whines about something.

The stupid behaviour of the Greens especially with this damn referendum proves to me beyond doubt that they are too immature to ever govern!

Extreme lefties tend to be immature mommies boys and girls but thankfully a lot them grow out of it as they experience the real world and life!

[Oscar]

The stupid behaviour of the Greens especially with this damn referendum proves to me beyond doubt that they are too immature to ever govern!

Extreme lefties tend to be immature mommies boys and girls but thankfully a lot them grow out of it as they experience the real world and life!

They're bleating about not paying the Pike River families $3m, but they're quite happy to spend $10m on an unenforceable and irrelevant referendum.

[oldrider]

They're bleating about not paying the Pike River families $3m, but they're quite happy to spend $10m on an unenforceable and irrelevant referendum.

The Greens have a top hat that they will pull a million dollars out of after every second rabbit or pigeon! :jerry::doh:

[puddytat]

Check this out...CitizenA with Hooton & Manning
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/11/22/citizen-a-matthew-hooton-selwyn-manning/

I reckon the only parties with any integrity are Mana & the Greens. If you cant see why, then you'll never see.

[Oscar]

Check this out...CitizenA with Hooton & Manning
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/11/22/citizen-a-matthew-hooton-selwyn-manning/

I reckon the only parties with any integrity are Mana & the Greens. If you cant see why, then you'll never see.

Logical argument - you only understand your opinion, so only those who agree with you are right.
Much favoured by adolescents the world over.

[Scuba_Steve]

1. It's spelled "eh".
2. Democracy has naught to do with wasting money on referenda, each time the opposition whines about something.

1. ay is spelt a y , eh is spelt e h , 2 different words that mean much the same.
2. democracy says the referendum is listened to, obviously we don't have one!

[Oscar]

1. ay is spelt a y , eh is spelt e h , 2 different words that mean much the same.
2. democracy says the referendum is listened to, obviously we don't have one!

Notwithstanding the fact that what you posted isn't even a proper sentence where the reader has to guess your intent:

thank for "democracy" ay
I think the word that you're grasping for is "aye".

You seem also to be having trouble grasping the concept of "non-binding referendumm", under the Citizens Initiated Referenda Act 1993.

[Scuba_Steve]

I think the word that you're grasping for is "aye".

You seem also to be having trouble grasping the concept of "non-binding referendumm", under the Citizens Initiated Referenda Act 1993.

No 'ay' is the word I wanted 'ay' is the word I gave

I have no trouble "grasping the concept" I have trouble "grasping" why it exists & why we still refer to our system as "democracy"
...well actually thats a lie I kinda get why it's still referred to as "democracy" it's to give blind idiots the 'illusion' of still having some say

[Oscar]

No 'ay' is the word I wanted 'ay' is the word I gave

I have no trouble "grasping the concept" I have trouble "grasping" why it exists & why we still refer to our system as "democracy"
...well actually thats a lie I kinda get why it's still referred to as "democracy" it's to give blind idiots the 'illusion' of still having some say

So you not only have a disregard for sentence structure, grammar and punctuation, you're making up your own words?
Good for you.

Be that as it may, I'm not wasting any time explaining democracy for you, so you go right ahead with your uninformed whining...