The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[Oscar]

Dude
I HAVE done the leg work

If you rememeber I challenged YOUR stupidity

And Im still waiting for your answer

Not my fault if ya dont know what your talking about

Anyhow . . How ya going to tackle this question
A. Ignore
B. Call everyone a cnt then disappear
C. Click on google and respond with some real info that might make someone think

Ive got the day off today and not much else to do
The barrel sprung a leak and the gold fish died so I cant take the occasional pot shot at them

So thank god you arrived

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As I've mentioned previously, your lack of English as a first language does work against you.
Plus, there is the fact that you're a bit of a boring fellow, so I may have skipped some of your posts.
So, I tell you what, go and find a responsible adult and get them to type your query in English and I'll get right onto it.

[Katman]

But it is a bold claim to infer that the Holocaust had a Why behind it that somehow the Jews were complicit in this.


Did you miss the bit a few pages ago of the 1933 Daily Mail headline that read 'Jews declare war on Germany'?

The Jews certainly did nothing to endear themselves to the Germans.

(And my jury is still out on the whole gassing issue).

[TheDemonLord]

Dude
I HAVE done the leg work


From a purely academic Standpoint

If you have done the leg work, then by all means present your findings.

But you cannot assert in a public domain that you have proof to backup your statements and then withhold the proof, asking other people to verify it for themselves.

That isn't how peer review or reasoned debate happens. If you make a positive claim, you submit your proof. Then those who you make the claim to can analyze and interpret the evidence. Either they will find the Evidence robust and compelling and be forced to adopt different points of view, or they will find the evidence flimsy and inconclusive and challenge the positive claim.

(or as more often in the modern age, dismiss it out of hand because it disagrees with their per-concieved ideals)

[Brian d marge]

On the basis that most of your posts border on gibberish and lack any hint of grammar, spelling or basic English language skills, you probably shouldn’t cast aspersion of the alcoholic kind on other people, Bubb.
Hey I like being an alcoholic . . .I was just worried about you thats all

素敵なトライ馬鹿

Stephen

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[Brian d marge]

From a purely academic Standpoint

If you have done the leg work, then by all means present your findings.

But you cannot assert in a public domain that you have proof to backup your statements and then withhold the proof, asking other people to verify it for themselves.

That isn't how peer review or reasoned debate happens. If you make a positive claim, you submit your proof. Then those who you make the claim to can analyze and interpret the evidence. Either they will find the Evidence robust and compelling and be forced to adopt different points of view, or they will find the evidence flimsy and inconclusive and challenge the positive claim.

(or as more often in the modern age, dismiss it out of hand because it disagrees with their per-concieved ideals)
Have many moons ago

Your late to the party

Sorry bout that

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[TheDemonLord]

Did you miss the bit a few pages ago of the 1933 Daily Mail headline that read 'Jews declare war on Germany'?

The Jews certainly did nothing to endear themselves to the Germans.

(And my jury is still out on the whole gassing issue).

I did miss it - I would be interested to read.

There is still a world of difference between declaring war on a people and Not endearing yourself to a country to going to systematic genocide.

Even if I accept your claim on the first 2 points without any evidence, it does not in anyway, shape or form disprove the Holocaust.

For my interest however - why is your Jury out on the whole Gassing issue?

[husaberg]

Well I can, that would just be a separate discussion (and FWIW, I have little tolerance for Holocaust deniers)

Whilst you can, Its pointless when there is a core group here that doesn't buy into the fact it did occur.

[TheDemonLord]

Have many moons ago

Your late to the party

Sorry bout that

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Not sufficient - you are making the claim here, so your proof needs to be here.

That which is submitted without proof may be dismissed in kind.

[Brian d marge]

Did you miss the bit a few pages ago of the 1933 Daily Mail headline that read 'Jews declare war on Germany'?

The Jews certainly did nothing to endear themselves to the Germans.

(And my jury is still out on the whole gassing issue).
And the fact that people leaving germany were paid to resettle in the promised land
Only took a small hit on savings actually

Too many . . . Hang on a minite . . .for my likin



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[Brian d marge]

Not sufficient - you are making the claim here, so your proof needs to be here.

That which is submitted without proof may be dismissed in kind.
Just dismiss it then

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[Oscar]

Did you miss the bit a few pages ago of the 1933 Daily Mail headline that read 'Jews declare war on Germany'?

The Jews certainly did nothing to endear themselves to the Germans.



You mean the same Daily Mail that ran the headline "Hurrah for the Blackshirts in 1934 for an article written by its proprietor?"

The Daily Mail that was owned by the British Fascist Lord Rothermere?
The same Lord Rothermere of the Daily Mail that sent a series of supportive and congratulatory telegrams to Nazi leaders, in 1939?
That Daily Mail?

Gee, that's a shock...

[TheDemonLord]

Just dismiss it then

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I already have, the point of the exercise was to get you to admit that you were making a claim without evidence.

[Brian d marge]

I already have, the point of the exercise was to get you to admit that you were making a claim without evidence.
Having done prior and you being late to the party
You will have to bring your self up to speed
There are other people in the class

Im more concerned about oscars sherry habit

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[TheDemonLord]

Having done prior and you being late to the party
You will have to bring your self up to speed
There are other people in the class

Im more concerned about oscars sherry habit

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I ask only a link - if such a link existed, surely you could in a matter of minutes post it up.

[Brian d marge]

You mean the same Daily Mail that ran the headline "Hurrah for the Blackshirts in 1934 for an article written by its proprietor?"

The Daily Mail that was owned by the British Fascist Lord Rothermere?
The same Lord Rothermere of the Daily Mail that sent a series of supportive and congratulatory telegrams to Nazi leaders, in 1939?
That Daily Mail?

Gee, that's a shock...
Which is what we are talking about

There were groups that supported hitler

Why was that , . . . . .dot dot dot

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[Brian d marge]

I ask only a link - if such a link existed, surely you could in a matter of minutes post it up.
Ok what would you like

When i come back from the dump . . Im all yours

Promise

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[Oscar]

I ask only a link - if such a link existed, surely you could in a matter of minutes post it up.

The Idiots Chorus here: Katflap, d margerine, Mushbrain and OldCahnt basically post up any old shit that they found on the internet or were told in confidence at their last Conspiracy Theorists Anonymous meeting and leave the actual thinking to other people. When challenged, they will tell you to google it yourself.

I doubt any of them have had a cogent thought that didn't involve masterbation with small animals this century...

[Oscar]

Which is what we are talking about

There were groups that supported hitler

Why was that , . . . . .dot dot dot

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Um, gee, I dunno?
Why would a known Nazi supporter try and make it look like the Jews started it...

Fuck, are you DUMB.

[Brian d marge]

Um, gee, I dunno?
Why would a known Nazi supporter try and make it look like the Jews started it...

Fuck, are you DUMB.
The opposite also can apply

Ya beat me on the stupidity

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[mashman]

We can until bogan has done his research and reports back

Then everyone will be on the same blank page

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:killingme :crybaby: :killingme Fixed for ya.

[Oscar]

The opposite also can apply

Ya beat me on the stupidity

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Only if you can prove that Lord Rothermere was a jew you muppet.

[Katman]

You mean the same Daily Mail that ran the headline "Hurrah for the Blackshirts in 1934 for an article written by its proprietor?"

The Daily Mail that was owned by the British Fascist Lord Rothermere?
The same Lord Rothermere of the Daily Mail that sent a series of supportive and congratulatory telegrams to Nazi leaders, in 1939?
That Daily Mail?

Gee, that's a shock...

While Hitler may be nothing but a bad man to you, the fact is he turned Germany's economy around in a manner that no other person probably could have.

Obviously there were people in other countries that admired that ability.

It does nothing to disprove the theory though that Jews with influence were actively and openly trying to sabotage Germany's recovery from depression.

[mashman]

So, some of your best friends are <s>black</s>, um <s>gay</s>, er - jewish?

You sad sad sad fuckin moron.

[Brian d marge]

I ask only a link - if such a link existed, surely you could in a matter of minutes post it up.

Right back from the dump , what would you like to know
Stephen

[Katman]

For my interest however - why is your Jury out on the whole Gassing issue?

Do some reading.

There have been plenty of links given between this thread and others.

[Brian d marge]

While Hitler may be nothing but a bad man to you, the fact is he turned Germany's economy around in a manner that no other person probably could have.

Obviously there were people in other countries that admired that ability.

It does nothing to disprove the theory though that Jews with influence were actively and openly trying to sabotage Germany's recovery from depression.

His first , well the finance minister he inherited Hjammmer Shmitt or what ever his name was .. , He was switched on ( but was replace by ( why ????) , Uncle Herman , who was under orders to get ready for war and was given 4 years ( the original 25 point plan was kinda lost along the way )
It then became a command economy, the banks were still privatised , ( this answers , dumbarses question) , but now the banks were capped under the command economy and asset stripped after the war .

Snip; Strange how the same name keep popping up ...Im sure Morgan aint a Greek name .....

During the first half of 1922, the Mark stabilized at about 320 Marks per Dollar. This was accompanied by international reparations conferences, including one in June 1922 organized by U.S. investment banker J. P. Morgan, Jr. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._P._Morgan,_Jr.)[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic#cite_note-10) When these meetings produced no workable solution, the inflation changed to hyperinflation and the Mark fell to 800 Marks per Dollar by December 1922. The cost-of-living index (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost-of-living_index) was 41 in June 1922 and 685 in December, a 15-fold increase.

( gini is at 42 for America and was 44 when Rome collapsed .....hey ho ...)

Stephen

[bogan]

We can until bogan has done his research and reports back

Then everyone will be on the same page

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I'll let demon take this one since I only skimmed the last few pages...


You have challenged Bogan to do his own research - but on the above point (and your infered claim) can you cite some form of evidence?

So do I still need to do guided research?

[Brian d marge]

I'll let demon take this one since I only skimmed the last few pages...



So do I still need to do guided research?

ya dont have to

like everything in life

Stephen

[bogan]

ya dont have to

like everything in life

Stephen

Of course not, difference is before I start my dislike I like to be sure there is something of substance to dislike, otherwise you just end up being a cunt who blames people because somebody manipulated you into doing that.

[Brian d marge]

Of course not, difference is before I start my dislike I like to be sure there is something of substance to dislike, otherwise you just end up being a cunt who blames people because somebody manipulated you into doing that.
Wibble wibble

Just go and spend 5 min reading

You might like it

Im just replying to oz cabs post but before i reply im just reading into a certain harold harmsworth

Its fun you should try it

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[bogan]

Wibble wibble

Just go and spend 5 min reading

You might like it

Im just replying to oz cabs post but before i reply im just reading into a certain harold harmsworth

Its fun you should try it

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What I am reading about though? You made vague-ish claims that perhaps I would dislike Jews if I read about how much things they own? Is that where I start?

Because I can tell you right now (and have done before), that is bullshit logic. Some people from a wider group owning many things doesn't reflect on the whole group.

[Brian d marge]

Only if you can prove that Lord Rothermere was a jew you muppet.


Huh??? how the hell did ya draw that link .....

Harold harmsworth , that name rings a bell , .....

[Bassmatt]

It does nothing to disprove the theory though that Jews with influence were actively and openly trying to sabotage Germany's recovery from depression.

Yep.

Friday March 24 1933

http://www.holocaust-history.org/questions/DailyExpress-March1933-judeafrontpage.jpg

[Brian d marge]

Oz cars is right in that that Daily express, and other newspaper set up a narative to influence an agenda.

The conspiricy theory or scuttlebut is; Hitler was a illegitimate Rothschild and was funded by the European ( swiss ) banks in order to help facilitate the creation of israel

Why wasnt the ball bearing factory in Cologne left untouched , and what about Switzerland ???

The banks funded Hitler , UNTIL , He removed himself from the gold standard and created and wanted German independence ( total , independence incl money and raw materials )

The banks??? or the 1% , ( Follow the money the same names will appear ) said OXI .

either by design or by reaction who knows ....

Either way the narrative was built and still is being built, Germany and silly moustaches are bad , and Jewish people are the victims ........

may be the case .....

but there are too many " hang on a minutes "

A simple question ( I don't care either way Just for the record , ) ....where did the figure 6 million come from? and my uncle died last month here in Japan. He was cremated using the latest equipment ,,,, that took 20 min .... one body .....

you do the maths ....something aint right

Anyway Uncle Oz cars is right in the fact that; one must be careful of the narrative ....

At the moment its Greece ....... Why would the banks hang out to dry a country such as Greece ...as someone else said: that would be like America , hanging out Rhode Island out to dry

Makes no sense unless there is a bigger picture ......

IMHO.

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

What I am reading about though? You made vague-ish claims that perhaps I would dislike a small group of really bad people who dont believe in faeries if I read about how much things they own? Is that where I start?

Because I can tell you right now (and have done before), that is bullshit logic. Some people from a wider group owning many things doesn't reflect on the whole group.

Fixed it for you

Go back and read what ACTUALLY has been said

Stephen

[bogan]

Fixed it for you

Go back and read what ACTUALLY has been said

Stephen

Read it once, you remain shit at writing so I ask for clarification.

Ie, who are the group of small group of really bad people? and why should I dislike them?

[Brian d marge]

Read it once, you remain shit at writing so I ask for clarification.

Ie, who are the group of small group of really bad people? and why should I dislike them?
Start with zion follow that and see what happens


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[bogan]

Start with zion follow that and see what happens


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Not seeing any reason to dislike zionists. Actually I found a few similarities with the ideals you and mashy promote...

[husaberg]

Not seeing any reason to dislike zionists. Actually I found a few similarities with the ideals you and mashy promote...

"Mashman" in Hebrew means "prophet with monkey."
Don't take my word for It look it up.
http://media.giphy.com/media/UCPxCzwwZ0KJi/giphy.gif

Akzle in Yiddish is dances naked with goats
http://imgur.com/Pfhtu.gif

Yokel is that irrelevant it has no meaning at all.
https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m77fj1glNf1r3d5n1o1_500.gif

D'marge spreads easier than butter.

[Brian d marge]

"Mashman" in Hebrew means "prophet with monkey."
Don't take my word for It look it up.

Akzle in Yiddish is dances naked with goats

Yokel is that irrelevant it has no meaning at all.

D'marge spreads easier than butter.
Hello sailor

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[Brian d marge]

Not seeing any reason to dislike zionists. Actually I found a few similarities with the ideals you and mashy promote...
Ok . . Your call on zion.

As for the similarity

We disagree about the units of trade





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[husaberg]

Hello sailor

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[Oscar]

So where is the Oldtwat?


So why don't you answer the question?



So which bits of history aren't true then?

The diaspora?
The pogroms?
The Moors in Granada?
The First Crusade?
The Second Crusade?
Edward I of England?
"Zionology" in Soviet Russia?
The Final Solution?

You see, if you can't prove that ALL of these historical events (and others) didn't happen, then antisemitism isn't a myth.
And that makes you (surprise, surprise) a liar.
Imagine that....

[husaberg]

So where is the Oldtwat?
He's avoiding this one as well.

It could be a while, its might be pensioner night down at the aryan brotherhood


All dependent upon protection by the myth of anti-Semitism :


The myth of anti Semitism?. I would like an explanation of this comment Oldie, is it just a myth were Jews and other religions ever striped of nationality or persecuted or prevented from owning land or had all there assets seized. Was this all really just a myth?

Seems they were treated pretty much like we here in NZ treated the Chinese in the goldrush.
There is also strong parallels with how the Australian aborigines were also treated.
The treatment of the American Indians seems eerily similar also.
This is not even comparing the treatment of the Black South Africans.
Or the white Zimbabwean's or the native Zimbabwean's a hundred or so years prior to this.

Still waiting.............................you have had many (9) pages now to come up with your reasoning for this comment oldie.

[TheDemonLord]

Okay, lets just forgo the fact that you have cited no sources - you have actually managed to give a reason for doubting - lets explore this reason




but there are too many " hang on a minutes "

A simple question ( I don't care either way Just for the record , ) ....where did the figure 6 million come from? and my uncle died last month here in Japan. He was cremated using the latest equipment ,,,, that took 20 min .... one body .....

you do the maths ....something aint right


So the first thing is to determine where the 6 Million figure came from - a note to add is that most historians agree that there is a 10% margin for error in the figures - but doing a little reading (as you frequently request others to do)

The first source is Wilhelm Hottl who in the Nuremburg trails made the statement:


Approximately 4,000,000 Jews had been killed in the various concentration camps, while an additional 2,000,000 met death in other ways, the major part of whom were shot by operational squads of the Security Police during the campaign against Russia

(Source: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/12-14-45.asp)

However, that is only 1 persons word, so lets see what other evidence we can drum up

Next up, we have the fact that the Germans were ones for corrupt process and documentation and so they left behind rather detailed records of everything they did - this was used by an Author:


Lucy Dawidowicz, in her “The War Against the Jews” (1975), used prewar birth and death records to come up with a more precise figure of 5,933,900. And one of the more authoritative German scholars of the subject, Wolfgang Benz, offered a range of 5.3 to 6.2 million. Each used his or her own method to arrive at the totals.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Against_the_Jews

However since that is written by a Jew, I am sure you will dismiss it out of turn, so lets find something else:

German historian Wolfgang Benz:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Benz

Used the same method as Lucy - comparing the Government Archive records and came to a figure of 5.29-6.2 Million

Here is a link to the Reference book http://www.amazon.com/The-Holocaust-Historian-Examines-Genocide/dp/0231112157

So your first point has been dealt with - 3 separate pieces of evidence all supporting the claim of about 6 million. You will note that since I have made a positive claim, I have backed up each of my claims with a relevant link to that claim as supporting evidence. As opposed to smugly telling you to go educate yourself.

Next we have your comment about cremation times and the number dead - well there are 3 Glaring Fallacies with this arguement.

1: The assumption that all Holocaust victims were cremated

I think this:

http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.592682.1401022918!/image/3943571309.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/3943571309.jpg

and this:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3IPy4irskdQ/TCjN6b0vnEI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/VYh7xd7gccE/s1600/0000002085_1_web.jpg

and this:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/06/article-2097261-026D5C070000044D-627_468x286.jpg

proves my point that the Nazis used various methods - of which Cremation was just one.

Next we can compare the story about your uncle vs the scenario of the Holocaust:

1: I am assuming your Uncle was not malnourished as the victims of the Holocaust were - I believe the term 'walking skeletons' was used by several of the Allied soldiers, so it Stands to reason that someone who is well fed and not emaciated will take longer to burn than someone who isn't well fed - simply because there is more of them to burn

2: When I saw a cremation - I notice that the oven wasn't on - the flames only go to full power when the door is closed....

Have you ever baked a pie in the oven? if you turn the oven on from cold it takes about 40 minutes to an hour to cook, but if the Oven is pre-heated, only about 20 minutes. If you consider that the Ovens at the Concentration camps were working 24/7, they would never cool down and so placing a body into an already hot oven would significantly speed up the process.

3: Was your Uncle cremated in a Coffin? or did they just throw his corpse into the oven?

I'm willing to bet it was the latter - so a 45-135 Kg worth of Coffin Material, not to mention the thermal barrier that a Coffin creates would also significantly change the Cremation time

(source for Coffin weight: http://www.donnachaidhinternational.com/2013/01/how-much-does-a-casket-weigh/ - converted Pounds to KG using google: https://www.google.com/search?q=100+pounds+to+kg&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

So.

Now that I have managed to answer all your questions and as you put it 'Done the maths' you will find that actually it IS right, and you will now be re-evaluating your baseless ideas (afterall, you haven't put up a single link to backup any of your claims).

[Ocean1]

Now that I have managed to answer all your questions and as you put it 'Done the maths' you will find that actually it IS right, and you will now be re-evaluating your baseless ideas.

You're new here, aincha?

[husaberg]

...........

You're new here, aincha?

Funny enough I used pretty much the same pics when Katman red repped me in reply with Hitler was right................

[husaberg]

...........


Funny enough I used pretty much the same pics when Katman red repped me in reply with Sounds like Hitler was pretty much right all along.................

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/174483-Gene-pool?p=1130863286#post1130863286

[Brian d marge]

Okay, lets just forgo the fact that you have cited no sources - you have actually managed to give a reason for doubting - lets explore this reason



So the first thing is to determine where the 6 Million figure came from - a note to add is that most historians agree that there is a 10% margin for error in the figures - but doing a little reading (as you frequently request others to do)

The first source is Wilhelm Hottl who in the Nuremburg trails made the statement:



(Source: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/12-14-45.asp)

However, that is only 1 persons word, so lets see what other evidence we can drum up

Next up, we have the fact that the Germans were ones for corrupt process and documentation and so they left behind rather detailed records of everything they did - this was used by an Author:



Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Against_the_Jews

However since that is written by a Jew, I am sure you will dismiss it out of turn, so lets find something else:

German historian Wolfgang Benz:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Benz

Used the same method as Lucy - comparing the Government Archive records and came to a figure of 5.29-6.2 Million

Here is a link to the Reference book http://www.amazon.com/The-Holocaust-Historian-Examines-Genocide/dp/0231112157

So your first point has been dealt with - 3 separate pieces of evidence all supporting the claim of about 6 million. You will note that since I have made a positive claim, I have backed up each of my claims with a relevant link to that claim as supporting evidence. As opposed to smugly telling you to go educate yourself.

Next we have your comment about cremation times and the number dead - well there are 3 Glaring Fallacies with this arguement.

1: The assumption that all Holocaust victims were cremated

I think this:

http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.592682.1401022918!/image/3943571309.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/3943571309.jpg

and this:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3IPy4irskdQ/TCjN6b0vnEI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/VYh7xd7gccE/s1600/0000002085_1_web.jpg

and this:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/06/article-2097261-026D5C070000044D-627_468x286.jpg

proves my point that the Nazis used various methods - of which Cremation was just one.

Next we can compare the story about your uncle vs the scenario of the Holocaust:

1: I am assuming your Uncle was not malnourished as the victims of the Holocaust were - I believe the term 'walking skeletons' was used by several of the Allied soldiers, so it Stands to reason that someone who is well fed and not emaciated will take longer to burn than someone who isn't well fed - simply because there is more of them to burn

2: When I saw a cremation - I notice that the oven wasn't on - the flames only go to full power when the door is closed....

Have you ever baked a pie in the oven? if you turn the oven on from cold it takes about 40 minutes to an hour to cook, but if the Oven is pre-heated, only about 20 minutes. If you consider that the Ovens at the Concentration camps were working 24/7, they would never cool down and so placing a body into an already hot oven would significantly speed up the process.

3: Was your Uncle cremated in a Coffin? or did they just throw his corpse into the oven?

I'm willing to bet it was the latter - so a 45-135 Kg worth of Coffin Material, not to mention the thermal barrier that a Coffin creates would also significantly change the Cremation time

(source for Coffin weight: http://www.donnachaidhinternational.com/2013/01/how-much-does-a-casket-weigh/ - converted Pounds to KG using google: https://www.google.com/search?q=100+pounds+to+kg&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

So.

Now that I have managed to answer all your questions and as you put it 'Done the maths' you will find that actually it IS right, and you will now be re-evaluating your baseless ideas (afterall, you haven't put up a single link to backup any of your claims).
Good on ya

I will look at those points
And asothers know I WILL get back to u
But just on those photos Ive heard one suggestion that some of them were german dead

Still thanks for spending the time . .

Now I dont really care which way this goes my main concern is getting or at the very least asking the questions


But without spending the time . . Because right now im in a sushi bar

You quite rightly noticed
That the references you gave are jewish

And yes they the nazi did keep records but off top head there was a discrepancy with either the record or the use

But I ll look into it and reply in due course

Finally with a coffin an a walking skeleton . .he had cancer . .20 min

The war lasted 6 year that will give u a number of people



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[Brian d marge]

Funny enough I used pretty much the same pics when Katman red repped me in reply with Hitler was right................
Yes those are stock photos and the are some questions behind them

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[husaberg]

Yes those are stock photos and the are some questions behind them

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engerish Stephen?

How many remains do you need to see, how much testimony from those that were there, (from both sides) how many documents does it take to make it real enough?

[Brian d marge]

engerish Stephen?

How many remains do you need to see, how much testimony from those that were there, (from both sides) how many documents does it take to make it real enough?
Ive just been reading the post YOU posted in gene pool i think the thread was titled and was quoted earlier

What side you on willis

I dont care either way but i should quote your post as a good place to start to support my stance

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[bogan]

Ok . . Your call on zion.

As for the similarity

We disagree about the units of trade





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My call? It already was. But you said if I did some basic research I'd agree with you about them being bad mens. So what are your reasons for them being bad mens, is it just because they use a different unit of trade?

[Brian d marge]

My call? It already was. But you said if I did some basic research I'd agree with you about them being bad mens. So what are your reasons for them being bad mens, is it just because they use a different unit of trade?
Youre mixing things up
I disagree with mashman over units of trade

As for anything else you will find that out for your self when ya start readin

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[bogan]

Youre mixing things up
I disagree with mashman over units of trade

As for anything else you will find that out for your self when ya start readin

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Yet I have started reading (I had started well before you set me such a task) which is why I saw the similarities between zionism and what you blokes were going on about.

So I ask again, what are your reasons for them being bad mens? Or are you hopping on the cop out train of 'go away and do some research until you agree with me'

[Brian d marge]

Yet I have started reading (I had started well before you set me such a task) which is why I saw the similarities between zionism and what you blokes were going on about.

So I ask again, what are your reasons for them being bad mens? Or are you hopping on the cop out train of 'go away and do some research until you agree with me'
Ehhhhhhhh
Zionism and what we are talking about
We might be at crossed communications here

Can you elaborate

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[husaberg]

Ive just been reading the post YOU posted in gene pool i think the thread was titled and was quoted earlier

What side you on willis

I dont care either way but i should quote your post as a good place to start to support my stance

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It would be rather fun if you did try and use it to explain how this exact same rhetoric and racial hate that I pointed out there, (with actual examples) and parallels to what was being spewed out here and now, didn't lead to millions of innocent people dying 75 years ago. So Stephen be my guest.

I am still waiting for Oldie to answer stuff from ten plus pages ago.

[Brian d marge]

It would be rather fun if you did try and use it to explain how this exact same rhetoric and racial hate that I pointed out there was actual examples and parallels to what was being spewed out here and now didn't lead to millions of innocent people dying 75 years ago. Be my guest
Ill see if i can cut and paste on this phone

Just as an aside
If there are 1440 min in a day and the war 6 years
My uncle took 20 min incl coffin

With modern tech

I roughly 157 000 were creamated

Numbers just aint stacking up


Anyway ill try and quote your post

Hang on

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[Brian d marge]

It would be rather fun if you did try and use it to explain how this exact same rhetoric and racial hate that I pointed out there, (with actual examples) and parallels to what was being spewed out here and now, didn't lead to millions of innocent people dying 75 years ago. So Stephen be my guest.
.

I think you will find that most of the Jewish that were killed in Poland also were Poles.
Odd that you don't consider this.
You will also find none of the bodies are clearly identified as being Jewish, either likely because it is irrelevant what nationality they are.

Yet you readily leap up and attempt to use it as an opportunity to defend and minimise what occurred.
All the civilians be they Russian, Poles, Slavs, Gypsies, dwarves, the handicapped, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, deaf and blind persons, chronic alcoholics, drug users
That were executed or died through malnourishment forced labour or disease I am sure found it very inconvenient.
Untermensch
This concept included Jews, Roma and Sinti (Gypsies), non-Europeans, and Slavic peoples such as Poles, Serbs, Russians, Czechs, and Slovaks
Nazi propaganda in October 1939 told Germans to view all ethnic Poles, Gypsies (Romani) and Jews on the same level as Untermenschen.
The exact same reasons for the elimination of the Jews they gave then. Are coincidently exactly what that you spew forth so readily now.
Some examples of how lacking in any form or originality your views really are.


(no,like, seriously, actually, jews copyrighted that shit so no other slaughtered or oppressed peoples can use that word) but yeah. Pale folk have been a raping others for fuken days.[/QUOTE]
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Hitler's infamous speech to the Reichstag on January 30, 1939: “If international Jewish financiers inside and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war then the result will not be the…victory of Jewry but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe.”
Hitler presented the Jews as behind all of Germany's moral and economic problems

He blamed "money-grubbing Jews" for all of Germany's economic problems

Anti-capitalist propaganda, touching on usury, would use anti-semitic elements from the association of Jews with money-lenders.

Exploiting pre-existing images and stereotypes, Nazi propagandists portrayed Jews as an “alien race” that fed off the host nation, poisoned its culture, seized its economy, and enslaved its workers and farmers.
Jews were attacked as the embodiment of capitalism "interest slavery", used the association of Jews with money-lenders

Jews were depicted as have undue representation in the professions such as laywers doctors Journalists and bankers

America’s entry into the war given that the Jews were behind it.
t war!

Hitler declared America as a "mongrel nation", grown too rich too soon and governed by a capitalist elite with strong ties to the Jews.


Prior to the invasion of Poland, a major anti-Polish campaign was launched, asserting such claims as forced labor of ethnic Germans, persecution of them, Polish disorder, Poles provoking border incidents, and aggressive intentions from its government.Newspapers wrote copiously on depicted Polish ethnic Germans as deeply persecuted and the invasion as necessary to protect them


The Reichstag fire was attributed to a Jewish conspiracy.

Instructions for propaganda speakers directed them to claim that anti-semitism was rising throughout the world.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2701365/Anti-Semitic-attacks-rise-Europe-German-French-Italian-foreign-ministers-condemn-growing-hostility-against-Jews-wake-Gaza-conflict.html
.[/QUOTE]
http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/responses.htm
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005274
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/nazprop.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Themes_in_Nazi_propaganda


That is what you wrote

[bogan]

Ehhhhhhhh
Zionism and what we are talking about
We might be at crossed communications here

Can you elaborate

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You said there were bad men, with some jewish connotation a while back (the context being that if only I read into it, I might not be so quick to condemn anti-semites). Pressed on the issue you now say it is zionism (or some zionists?) that is inherently bad. But you've not said much about the whys.

[Brian d marge]

You said there were bad men, with some jewish connotation a while back (the context being that if only I read into it, I might not be so quick to condemn anti-semites). Pressed on the issue you now say it is zionism (or some zionists?) that is inherently bad. But you've not said much about the whys.
Please please at least be familiar with the topic before replying

Wtf do you think zionism is

Fr gawd sake just google it

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[oldrider]

All dependent upon protection by the myth of anti-Semitism and the ignorance of the masses! (Goyim - non Jew etc) Still stronger than ever today! :confused:

Hitler's Germany dared to expose them by controlling Germany's own money system and are still paying the price for that "crime" today!

Thanks again to mass ignorance of the Gentile or non Jew and the perpetuation of the anti-Semitic myth! :zzzz: Time to wake up? :shit:

Reply for husaberg -

IMO - Anti-Semitism was fostered and created by Zionists to protect themselves and their actions from ever being publicly questioned - as demonstrated here on KB!

There is ample supporting material but you are not prepared to accept or consider any links that suggest or support this opinion!

The world at large is not automatically or widely anti-Semitic and I suggest that it is a self perpetuated myth - that it is!

Much like the six million figure bandied around well before and after the WW2: https://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/revision/six_million_myth.htm

The Holocaust itself is not mythical but I do question the (precise) number claimed and why that number is always quoted? - is to simply fulfil scripture?

[husaberg]

Ill see if i can cut and paste on this phone

Just as an aside
If there are 1440 min in a day and the war 6 years
My uncle took 20 min incl coffin

With modern tech

I roughly 157 000 were creamated

Numbers just aint stacking up


Anyway ill try and quote your post

Hang on

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They also had a number of well documented burial pits and huge outdoor cremation pits. These were common in a lot of different locations.
They were also cremating multiple corpse's at the same time. They even had a system worked out with the most efficient loading patterns.
Auschwitz had over 5 separate crematoriums complex's.
They were not doing it to the standards of a modern crematorium. Most of the time taken to cremate a body is in the last time it takes to burn the bones this was not an issue as it was not a problem just to put another body in. emember it was a mass disposal system they were not concerned with getting remains mixed up they also used to smash up the bone remains also lastly lots of the victims were children as well. Next

[husaberg]

Reply for husaberg -

IMO - Anti-Semitism was fostered and created by Zionists to protect themselves and their actions from ever being publicly questioned - as demonstrated here on KB!

There is ample supporting material but you are not prepared to accept or consider any links that suggest or support this opinion!

The world at large is not automatically or widely anti-Semitic and I suggest that it is a self perpetuated myth - that it is!

Much like the six million figure bandied around well before and after the WW2: https://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/revision/six_million_myth.htm

The Holocaust itself is not mythical but I do question the (precise) number claimed and why that number is always quoted? - is to simply fulfil scripture?

Why is the number so important when it is in the millions does that make any difference to why it occurred and that it occurred.
As i have said the exact same reasoning for the holocaust is what is being used here co-incidence what happened last time.

I will give you the same question as you have not answered it


All dependent upon protection by the myth of anti-Semitism


The myth of anti Semitism?. I would like an explanation of this comment Oldie, is it just a myth were Jews and other religions ever striped of nationality or persecuted or prevented from owning land or had all there assets seized. Was this all really just a myth?

Seems they were treated pretty much like we here in NZ treated the Chinese in the goldrush.
There is also strong parallels with how the Australian aborigines were also treated.
The treatment of the American Indians seems eerily similar also.
This is not even comparing the treatment of the Black South Africans.
Or the white Zimbabwean's or the native Zimbabwean's a hundred or so years prior to this.

[Brian d marge]

Why is the number so important when it is in the millions does that make any difference to why it occurred and that it occurred.
As i have said the exact same reasoning for the holocaust is what is being used here co-incidence what happened last time.

I will give you the same question as you have not answered it
You are right

Even if one person died thats enough


But when the number is being used to push an agenda

Now its a different kettle of fish

There were 500 000 brits and 600 000 germans killed at the battle of the somme

Nah something aint right


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[husaberg]

You are right

Even if one person died thats enough


But when the number is being used to push an agenda

Now its a different kettle of fish



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I think you will find there is another agenda that is being pushed here Stephen.
The exact same one that resulted in millions of innocent people dying previously.
One that relies on tarring a whole race for the deed allegedly committed by a few.

ps you did a shit job of pasting that post of mine.

[bogan]

Please please at least be familiar with the topic before replying

Wtf do you think zionism is

Fr gawd sake just google it

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Religion, one specifically concerned with the holy land.

Why do you keep telling me to google what I already have instead of giving a straight answer? Do you fear for the validity of how you've formed your own opinion?

[Brian d marge]

Religion, one specifically concerned with the holy land.

Why do you keep telling me to google what I already have instead of giving a straight answer? Do you fear for the validity of how you've formed your own opinion?
Because cause yiur replies suggest you havent a fking clue

Can i not be any clearer

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[Brian d marge]

I think you will find there is another agenda that is being pushed here Stephen.
The exact same one that resulted in millions of innocent people dying previously.
One that relies on tarring a whole race for the deed allegedly committed by a few.

ps you did a shit job of pasting that post of mine.
Im on a phone in restraurant

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[husaberg]

Im on a phone in restraurant

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What sort. Also is there karaoke.

[bogan]

Because cause yiur replies suggest you havent a fking clue

Can i not be any clearer

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You could be much much much clearer by explaining what I 'do not have a clue' about, or by answering the questions I put to you so we can reach some sort of shared understanding...

[mashman]

"Mashman" in Hebrew means "prophet with monkey."
Don't take my word for It look it up.
http://media.giphy.com/media/UCPxCzwwZ0KJi/giphy.gif

Akzle in Yiddish is dances naked with goats
http://imgur.com/Pfhtu.gif

Yokel is that irrelevant it has no meaning at all.
https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m77fj1glNf1r3d5n1o1_500.gif

D'marge spreads easier than butter.

Funny, I've always called my wife monkey. Would you like to know how things should be?

[Katman]

Now that I have managed to answer all your questions and as you put it 'Done the maths' you will find that actually it IS right, and you will now be re-evaluating your baseless ideas (afterall, you haven't put up a single link to backup any of your claims).

Hey shitforbrains, emaciated bodies didn't step off a train into a gas chamber.

The bodies you're gloating over more likely died from disease or starvation.

[mashman]

Not seeing any reason to dislike zionists. Actually I found a few similarities with the ideals you and mashy promote...

That's not a coincidence :facepalm: Fuck I hope you're pretty.

[husaberg]

Funny, I've always called my wife monkey. Would you like to know how things should be?

Shit wood I

[mashman]

Shit wood I

Perhaps you should start listening to yourself instead of forming an opinion based on the lies that history offers. History has been proven to be an exceptionally shit teacher and why anyone would rely on it to decide the future, let alone in order to claim victory in an internet argument after all but all from the incident are dead defies belief. Still, some folk indoctrinated.

Dragged straight out of TheDemonLord's plaguebook. That, and you simply aren't mentally elastic enough to handle the truth.

[Brian d marge]

What I am reading about though? You made vague-ish claims that perhaps I would dislike Jews if I read about how much things they own? Is that where I start?

No, Zionism is where u should start

Because I can tell you right now (and have done before), that is bullshit logic. Some people from a wider group owning many things doesn't reflect on the whole group.

True , People have told you this before , I have said it a few posts back .... ITS NOT THE WIDER GROUP PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT ..... see post 1


Read it once, you remain shit at writing so I ask for clarification.

Ie, who are the group of small group of really bad people? and why should I dislike them?

See post 1 and if you knew anything about them you wouldnt have ask the second part of your question ..... is there any part of .... SEE POST 1 ,,,,, that you dont understand , with my shit writing and all ...


Not seeing any reason to dislike zionists. Actually I found a few similarities with the ideals you and mashy promote...

I dont think you understand Zionism or the Zionist movement ...SEE POST 1


engerish Stephen?

How many remains do you need to see, how much testimony from those that were there, (from both sides) how many documents does it take to make it real enough?

The same testimony that were later found to be false ...but I will answer this in detail for demonlord


My call? It already was. But you said if I did some basic research I'd agree with you about them being bad mens. So what are your reasons for them being bad mens, is it just because they use a different unit of trade?

SEE post 1 , ( me and mashie disagree on units of trade , nowt to do with this conversation)


Yet I have started reading (I had started well before you set me such a task) which is why I saw the similarities between zionism and what you blokes were going on about.

So I ask again, what are your reasons for them being bad mens? Or are you hopping on the cop out train of 'go away and do some research until you agree with me'

WTF are you reading , See post 1 and then look up socialism .....


It would be rather fun if you did try and use it to explain how this exact same rhetoric and racial hate that I pointed out there, (with actual examples) and parallels to what was being spewed out here and now, didn't lead to millions of innocent people dying 75 years ago. So Stephen be my guest.

I am still waiting for Oldie to answer stuff from ten plus pages ago.

I posted rather badly as I was eating Sushi in a conveyer sushi bar using a phone .... Ill edit it later


You said there were bad men, with some jewish connotation a while back (the context being that if only I read into it, I might not be so quick to condemn anti-semites). Pressed on the issue you now say it is zionism (or some zionists?) that is inherently bad. But you've not said much about the whys.

ff sake see post 1 are you seriously saying Zionism is a movenment for ( the ) good ?

I think you will find there is another agenda that is being pushed here Stephen.
The exact same one that resulted in millions of innocent people dying previously.
One that relies on tarring a whole race for the deed allegedly committed by a few.

here we agree, ..and that is the evil of it , a small group of people ( who tended to be ?) trying to get an agenda though , killed a large number of people in western Europe ( btw same as the English in the BOER war what was that for ...diamonds , ??...same people again ?)
and THEN is using the media to create a narrative to press the same agenda ....

ps you did a shit job of pasting that post of mine.

yes I tried ....but Fail.org.com


Religion, one specifically concerned with the holy land.

Why do you keep telling me to google what I already have instead of giving a straight answer? Do you fear for the validity of how you've formed your own opinion?

because you seem not to know what you are talking about ...see the above text ....


You could be much much much clearer by explaining what I 'do not have a clue' about, or by answering the questions I put to you so we can reach some sort of shared understanding...

Is it clear now ?

Zionism ( or the people that are using it for there agenda ) bad fairy haters
just to clarify ..........

re-quoting your first point

What I am reading about though? You made vague-ish claims that perhaps I would dislike Jews if I read about how much things they own? Is that where I start?

No, Zionism is where u should start

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Um, gee, I dunno?
Why would a known Nazi supporter try and make it look like the Jews started it...

Fuck, are you DUMB.

Im sorry, ...but That has to be the MOST Stupeeedist statement I have ever read

I mean even on the face of it WITHOUT going in the hows and whys,,,,
quote ;
Why would a known Nazi supporter try and make it look like the Jews started it...

BECAUSE HE MAY HAVE THOUGHT THEY DID START IT ......

Oscar , ya started on the sherry early and had me worried but by nightfall the world had returned to its natural equilibrium ...
(sweat)

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

I'm going to pick one (the Holocaust - mainly because it is the subject I have the most familiarity with) and ask this:

Skepticism that there are some facts we are not (and may never be) party to is one thing.

But it is a bold claim to infer that the Holocaust had a Why behind it that somehow the Jews were complicit in this.

You have challenged Bogan to do his own research - but on the above point (and your infered claim) can you cite some form of evidence?

So far Ive spent all of three min

I will go throught the list you gave , Slowly as you will see why ...

I started at the top and worked down

old Hotteee was a character , work as an SS officer , up thee with the elite ..then goes on to a spying career in the us of an A .... after being party to 6million deaths .......

Snip;Höttl was first stationed in Vienna with the SD foreign bureau and then moved to Berlin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin) where he was promoted to the rank of SS-Sturmbannführer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmbannf%C3%BChrer) (major). In 1944 Höttl became the Ausland-SD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicherheitsdienst#Ausland-SD)'s acting head of Intelligence and Counter Espionage in Central (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe) and South East Europe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_East_Europe). In March he was assigned to Budapest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest), where he served as second in command to Reichsführer-SS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsf%C3%BChrer-SS) Heinrich Himmler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler)'s SS representative in Hungary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary). In addition, Höttl served as political advisor to Hitler's ambassador there, Edmund Veesenmayer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Veesenmayer), who reported to Berlin, for example, on the large-scale deportations in 1944 of Jews (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew) from Hungary. During his stay in Budapest he was in contact with the Americans in Bern (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bern), Switzerland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland).


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_H%C3%B6ttl#cite_note-MOUNT_VERNON-3)
"Eichmann said at that time six million people have been killed, four million in concentration camps and similar set-ups, and two million by shooting, Einsatzkommandos. And he told me at that time, it was fantastic really, 'I had thought a lot of people had been killed, but six million!' And he said 'Just imagine, that was still too few for Himmler. Himmler said to me, 'There must be more than that.' And he set up his own statistics unit (today we would say 'computer people') who were to check up on this.'"

- Wilhelm Höttl (quoting Eichmann quoting Himmler)


Im not saying nowt .......but if you are in the SS up in front of a judge who may string you up ......do you think you might stick to the truth , especially if the judge is ..looking for an specific answer??? Just saying thats all ???

then we look at the 6 million figure

here is how many times the 6 mil has been mentioned in regards to the poor wee dears .....

1900 - Stephen S. Wise, New York Times, June 11, 1900
"There are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism."

1902 - Encyclopaedia Britannica, 10th Edition, Vol. 25, 1902, page 482
"While there are in Russia and Rumania six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded ..."

1902- Samuel W. Goldstein, New York Times, November 27, 1902
"PLEA FOR ZIONISM ... In answer I would say: Does Dr. Silverman represent the 6,000,000 Jews in Russia, 300,000 in Roumania and the 1,000,000 in Galicia?"

1903 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), September 18th, 1903, page 6
" ... six million downtrodden brethren."

1904 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), February 19th, 1904, page 2
" ... where five or six million people existed under persecution."

1904 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), October 7th, 1904, page 1
" ... the final and definite deliverance of the six millions of Russian, Roumanian and Galician Jews ... transporting five or six million people over the sea."

1904 - Israel Zangwill, New York Times, October 20, 1904
"The problem does not relate to the American Jews, but to the 6,000,000 in Russia. The Russian Government has consented to allow the Jews to leave,"

1905 - New York Times, January 29th, 1905
"He declared that a free and a happy Russia, with its 6,000,000 Jews, would possibly mean the end of Zionism, since the abolition of the autocracy would practically eliminate the causes that brought Zionism into existence."

1905 - New York Times, November 1st, 1905
"From 1800 to 1902 he caused 6,000,000 Jewish families to be expelled from Russia ..."

1906 - New York Times, March 25th, 1906
" ... the condition and future of Russia's 6,000,000 Jews were made on March 12 in Berlin to the annual meeting of the Central Jewish Relief League of Germany by Dr. Paul Nathan ... He left St. Petersburg with the firm conviction that the Russian Government’s studied policy for the “solution” of the Jewish question is systematic and murderous extermination."

1907 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), October 18th, 1907, page 13
" ... for six million people cannot emigrate.

1908 - Deseret Evening News, March 17th, 1908
" ... poverty, starvation and disease are the afflictions which now beset the six million Jews in that country and Roumania."

1908 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), August 7th, 1908
" ... when six million Russian Jews are crying ... "

1911 - Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th Edition, Vol. 2, 1911, page 145
"While there remain in Russia and Rumania over six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded ..."

1911 - Max Nordeau speaking at The 1911 Zionist Congress. Hecht, Ben. Perfidy. NY; Julian Messner. 1961. page 254
"But the same righteous Governments, who are so nobly, industriously active to establish the eternal peace, are preparing, by their own confession, complete annihilation for six million people,"

1911 - Fort Wayne Journal Gazette (IN), June 4th, 1911, page 15
"PRINCE, PRIEST AND PEASANT WAGE WAR AGAINST SIX MILLION JEWS"

1911 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), August 18th, 1911, page 14
"Very soon a fervid Russian patriotism will reign in every Ghetto, and the melting-up of the race begin. But this absorption of the five or six million Jews ... "

1911 - Max Nordeau, The Jewish Chronicle (London), August 18th, 1911, page 14
" ... the downfall of six million creatures ... for no war has ever yet destroyed six million human lives."

1911 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), August 25th, 1911
" ... six million Jews are still groaning under the most terrible yoke."

1911 - Max Nordeau, The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), September 1st, 1911, page 3
" ... the downfall of six million creatures ... for no war has ever yet destroyed six million human lives."

1911 - Max Nordeau, The Reform Advocate (Chicago), September 9th, 1911
" ... the downfall of six million creatures ... for no war has ever yet destroyed six million human lives."

1911 - New York Times, October 31st, 1911
"The 6,000,000 Jews of Russia are singled out for systematic oppression and for persecution due to process of law."

1912 - American Jewish Year Book 5672 (23 Sep 1911 - 11 Sep 1912), page 308
"Russia has since 1890 adopted a deliberate plan to expel or exterminate six millions of its people for no other reason than that they refuse to become members of the Greek Church, but prefer to remain Jews.

1912 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), January 5th, 1912
" ... more than six million Jews reside in small towns and villages there is no Sabbath question."

1912 - Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, New York Tribune, September 11th, 1912, page 9
"Russia is now asphyxiating the Jews. It does not dare to offend the nations by blood spilling, so it is slowly, but surely grinding out the lives of 6,000,000Jews."

1913 - Fort Wayne Journal Gazette (IN), October 18th, 1913, page 4
"There are six million Jews in Russia and the government is anxious to annihilate them by methods that provoke protests from the civilized world."

1914 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), July 10th, 1914, page 9
" ... where six million Jews are suffering ... "

1914 - New York Times, December 2nd, 1914, page 12
"APPEAL FOR AID FOR JEWS. ... the plight of more than 6,000,000 Jews ... upon the Jewish people, more than nine millions of whom live in the countries at war and over six million of these in the actual war zone in Poland, Galicia and the whole of Russian frontier."

1915 - New York Times, January 14th, 1915, page 3
"In the world today there are about 13,000,000 Jews, of whom more than 6,000,000 are in the heart of the war zone; Jews whose lives are at stake and who today are subjected to every manner of suffering and sorrow ... "

1915 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), March 19th, 1915
"How the casting of six million people into the deepest abyss of servitude and outlawry is to relieve tension we cannot understand."

1915 - The Sun (NY), June 6th, 1915, section 5, page 1
"Six million Jews, one-half of the Jewish people throughout the world, are being persecuted, hounded, humiliated, tortured, starved. ... six million Jews in Russia ... are being tortured so mercilessly."

1915 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), June 25th, 1915
"The annihilation of the six million Jews now congregated in the Russian domains goes on in a well defined and systematic manner.

1915 - Jacob de Hass, The Boston Sunday Globe, September 26th, 1915, page 46
Indeed the only point that all warring elements are agreed upon is that at the end of the holocaust the Jews and Palestine will be more closely related than at present.

1915 - New York Tribune, October 14th, 1915
"What the Turks are doing to Armenians is child's play compared to what Russia is doing to six million Jews, her own subjects."

1915 - The Mercury, December 4th, 1915
" ... six millions of Russian and Polish Jews are to-day the most pitiable victims of that race hatred and that race fanaticism which have been the creed of Germany ... "

1916 - The Jews in the Eastern War Zone, The American Jewish Committee, 1916
" ... where six million human beings guilty only of adherence to the Jewish faith are compelled to live out their lives in squalor and misery, in constant terror of massacre ... estimated at six million or more ... of these six million people ... a kind of prison with six million inmates ... The persons most affected, the six million Jews of Russia ... The Jews are loyal and brave, and it is most inadvisable to pursue a policy which might convert six million subjects into enemies. ... the six million Jews of Russia still continued ... nearly three of the six million ..."

1916 - Sausalito News (CA), Jan 22nd, 1916, p.1
"... six million starving Polish Jews in the war stricken countries of Europe,"

1916 - Oakland Tribune (CA), January 25th, 1916, page 1
"The President of the United States—6,000,000 Starving, Homeless, People—and January 27th Why should the President, by proclamation to the people of the nation, fix upon january 27th as the day for contributing towards the relief of over six million Jews located in the Far Eastern War Zone?"

1916 - Oakland Tribune (CA), January 26th, 1916, page 1 (FRONT PAGE ADVERT 2 DAYS RUNNING)
"The President of the United States—6,000,000 Starving, Homeless, People—and January 27th Why should the President, by proclamation to the people of the nation, fix upon january 27th as the day for contributing towards the relief of over six million Jews located in the Far Eastern War Zone?"

1916 - The Tacoma Times, February 28th, 1916
" ... there were 6,000,000 Jews in Europe absolutely without food or resources."

1916 - New York Times, February 28th, 1916
"Nearly six million Jews are ruined in the greatest moral and material misery; millions of them are refugees, dependent upon the good will of their brethren."

1916 - The Kalamazoo Gazette (Kalamazoo, MI), Wednesday, March 1, 1916, p.1.
"WAR MAVE MOVE 6,000,000 JEWS ... Nearly six million Jews are ruined;"

1916 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), March 3rd, 1916
"Nearly six million Jews are ruined."

1916 - New York Herald, March 5th, 1916, Section III, p.10.
"Six million Jews, old men, women and little children, are suffering from the greatest calamity that has befallen Israel since the Egyptian bondage."

1916 - North Devon Journal, March 9th, 1916, page 7
"In Poland, in Southern and Western Russia,six million Jews resided when the War broke out. They lived there in the pale of settlement, in poverty, and were terribly overcrowded."

1916 - Fort Wayne Journal Gazette (IN), March 12th, 1916, page 34
" ...six million Jews reported starving in the warring countries."

1916 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), March 31st, 1916, page 6
"Position of the Jews in Russia. The Jews in Russia, numbering about six million, are denied full political and civil rights and are economically oppressed."

1916 - El Paso Herald, April 22nd, 1916, page 5
"Six Million Jews Are Deprived Of Papers By Russian Censorship. ... Six million Jews have been robbed of their newspapers."

1916 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), August 4th, 1916
" ... six million Jews ..."

1917 - Corsicana Daily Sun, February 16th, 1917, page 2
"Six million Jews are living in lands where they are oppressed, exploited, crushed and robbed of every inalienable human right."

1918 - Fort Wayne News and Sentinel (IN), June 22nd, 1918, page 1
"In the war zone of Europe there are six million Jews who have been the war's worst sufferers,"

1918 - The Columbus Jewish Chronicle, June 28th, 1918, page 1
"Claims Palestine Has Room For Six Million ... "It is quite possible for Palestine to find room for five to six millions ... 800,000 hectares will suffice to produce the food of six millions of people,"

1918 - The Bakersfield Californian, July 30th, 1918, page 4
"... the six million starving Jews in Poland, Galicia and other stricken Eastern provinces ..."

1918 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), September 5th, 1918
" ... Russia, where the bulk of the Jewish people to the number of well over six million still dwell, is a land of blood and midnight darkness."

1918 - The Columbus Jewish Chronicle, September 13th, 1918, page 1
"The report describes the havoc the war has caused among the six million Jews of Russia. Driven by the invading armies, the Jews have been compelled to flee from their homes;"

1918 - New York Times, October 18th, 1918
"Six million Souls Will Need Help to Resume Normal Life When War Is Ended. ... Committee of American Jews Lays Plans for the Greatest Humanitarian Task in History. ... 6,000,000 Jews Need Help."

1919 - The Bourbon News, April 1st, 1919, p.4
"... six million Jews in Poland, Lithuania, Galicia, Palestine, Turkey and Siberia who are dying of starvation,"

1919 - The Corsicana Daily Sun, April 3rd, 1919, p.5
"SIX MILLION ARE STARVING ... It is estimated that there are six million Jewish women, children and aged men actually starving to death.

1919- The Galveston Daily News, April 4th, 1919, page 3
"Six million Jews in Poland, Lithuania, Galicia, Palestine, Turkey and Siberia are dying of starvation. ... These six million despairing souls are totally dependent on American generosity for the bare necessities of life."

1919 - The Watchman and Southron, April 5th, 1919
"Six million Jews in Poland, Lithuania, Galicia, Palestine, Turkey and Siberia are dying of starvation. ... These six million despairing souls are totally dependent on American generosity for the bare necessities of life."

1919 - The Galveston Daily News, April 5th, 1919, page 5
"Six million Jews are dying of starvation."

1919 - The Galveston Daily News, April 6th, 1919, page 8
"The American Jewish Relief Committee is endeavoring to save from starvation six million Jews who are the helpless victims of the German terror."

1919 - El Paso Herald., April 7th, 1919
" ... to save from starvation six million Jews who are the helpless victims of the German Terror."

1919 - San Antonio Express, April 8th, 1919, page 15
"The American Jewish Relief Committee is endeavoring to save from starvation six million Jews who are the helpless victims of the German terror."

1919 - The Corsicana Daily Sun, April 9th, 1919, page 8
"THE AMERICAN JEWISH RELIEF COMMITTEE IS ENDEAVOURING TO SAVE FROM STARVATION SIX MILLION JEWS WHO ARE THE HELPLESS VICTIMS OF THE GERMAN TERROR"

1919- San Antonio Express, April 9th, 1919, page 12
"At no other time in the history of the Jewish people has the need been so great as now. Six million of our brothers and sisters are dying of starvation. The entire race is threatened with extinction."

1919 - Daily Kentucky New Era, Wednesday, April 9, 1919, p.4-5
"The American Jewish Relief Committee is endeavouring to save from starvation six million Jews who are the helpless victims of the German Terror."

1919 - The Wellington Leader (TX), April 11th, 1919, page 1
"We wish to call the attention of our people to the great drive that is on to raise funds for the relief of the six million Jews who are starving in the war ridden districts of the east."

1919 - The Corsicana, Semi-Weekly Light, April 11th, 1919, page 5
"THE AMERICAN JEWISH RELIEF COMMITTEE IS ENDEAVOURING TO SAVE FROM STARVATION SIX MILLION JEWS WHO ARE THE HELPLESS VICTIMS OF THE GERMAN TERROR"

1919 - The Daily Courier (PA), August 4th, 1919, section 2, page 1
"APPEALS TO AMERICA TO ACT QUICKLY IF LIVES OF SOME SIX MILLION JEWS ARE TO BE SAVED ... The lives of some six million people are at stake."

1919 - The Fulton Patriot, September 3rd, 1919, page 4
WORLD JEWRY AT GREATEST CRISIS Leaders in America Striving to Save Race in Europe From Destruction. ... All told, many million Christians and more than 6,000,000 Jews in countries other than the United States are being directly aided by American Jewish relief funds."

1919 - New York Times, September 8th, 1919, page 6
"127,000 Jews Have Been Killed and 6,000,000 Are in Peril. ... 6,000,000 souls in Ukrainia and in Poland have received notice through action and by word that they are going to be completely exterminated - this fact stands before the whole world as the paramount issue of the present day."

1919 - The Fort Wayne News and Sentinel, September 17th, 1919, section 2, page 1
" ... six million Jews are dying of starvation and where vast numbers of them—innocent victims of the ravages of war—wander homeless, and in rags."

1919 - Trenton Evening Times (Trenton, NJ), Sunday, September 28, 1919, p. 4.
"Six Million Jews Reported Destitute in Eastern Europe."

1919 - Rushville Daily Republican, September 29th, 1919, page 4
"The thought that as I walk the streets of this properous and happy town there are 6,000,000 people in other lands without food, shelter or raiment is disturbing. ... When I read, as I have read all my life, of the persecution and slaughter of the Jews I am not proud of my own race or my religion. ... Six million people perishing!"

1919 - Tipton Tribune, September 29th, 1919, page 2
"The thought that as I walk the streets of this properous and happy town there are 6,000,000 people in other lands without food, shelter or raiment is disturbing. ... When I read, as I have read all my life, of the persecution and slaughter of the Jews I am not proud of my own race or my religion. ... Six million people perishing!"

1919 - Fort Wayne Journal Gazette, October 1st, 1919, page 4
"The thought that as I walk the streets of this prosperous and happy town there are 6,000,000 people in other lands without food, shelter or raiment is disturbing. ... When I read, as I have read all my life, of the persecution and slaughter of the Jews I am not proud of my own race or my religion. ... Six million people perishing!"

1919 - The Washington Democrat, October 2nd, 1919, page 1
"The thought that as I walk the streets of this properous and happy town there are 6,000,000 people in other lands without food, shelter or raiment is disturbing. ... When I read, as I have read all my life, of the persecution and slaughter of the Jews I am not proud of my own race or my religion. ... Six million people perishing!"

1919 - The Colorado Springs Gazette, October 2, 1919
"SIX MILLION JEWS FORM DAILY IN A BREAD LINE ... Six million Jews, men, women and children, a number as great as the population of the state of Illinois including Chicago, form the bread line in Europe every day."

1919 - Janesville Daily Gazette (WI), October 4th, 1919, page 4
" ... the Feast Day of Rosh Hashonah. It was not a feast day for somesix millionstarving Jews of Europe because every day for the past four years has been a fast day for them. ... the five year fast that has been the lot of the6,000,000Jews in Europe."

1919 - Sheboygan Press (WI), October 4th, 1919, page 2
" ... the Feast Day of Rosh Hashonah. It was not a feast day for somesix millionstarving Jews of Europe because every day for the past four years has been a fast day for them. ... the five year fast that has been the lot of the6,000,000Jews in Europe."

1919 - The Pittsburgh Gazette Times - Oct 5, 1919, section 6, p.16
"Still they live—these 6,000,000 helpless, starving, homeless people ... JEWISH WAR RELIEF COMMITTEE"

1919 - The Fort Wayne Journal-Gazette (IN), October 6th, 1919, page 3
"With six million of their population in absolute want, they are unable alone to render sufficient aid ... There are to-day to be found in the ten provinces of Russia, Poland and the fifteen provinces called the 'Pale of Settlement' six millions of these peaceful and law abiding people ... We do not see with our eyes the evidences of want and degradation into which six million Jews have been thrown suddenly through no fault of their own."

1919 - Indiana Weekly Messenger, October 9th, 1919, page 1 & 4
"Life for six millions in the shadow of death! ... Six millions mean what? ... Six million souls, old men, old women, and little children in Poland, Lithuania, Russia, Palestine, Glaicia, Turkey, Syria, Roumania, Greece, and Bulgaria are in imminent danger of starving to death this winter. ... The responsibility of maintaining life in these six million sufferers rests upon every man and woman in the United States ... Helping the Jews in their extremity is not helping the Bolsheviks," the speaker emphatically declared."

1919 - Schenectady Gazette, October 16th, 1919, page 15
"Today 6,000,000 Jews Are Facing the Darkest Days Ever Known in the Long History of the Race."

1919 - Titusville Herald, October 18th, 1919, page 4
"... Jewish Relief Fund ... Contribute Today, the Last Day and Help Save From Death Six Millions of Starving People."

1919 - San Francisco Chronicle, October 19th, 1919, page 18
"6,000,000 JEWS IN BREAD LINE, STRAUS WRITES. More Than Third of Entire Race in World Reduced to Despair in Europe. ... Six million Jews, out of the 16,000,000 in the world ... "

1919 - Cape Vincent Eagle, October 23rd, 1919
" ... there are six million people in other lands without food, shelter or raiment is disturbing. ... When read, as I have read all my life, of the persecution and slaughter of the Jews I am not proud of my own race or of my religion."

1919 - The American Hebrew, October 31st, 1919, page 582
"The Crucifixion of Jews Must Stop! From across the sea six million men and women call to us for help ... Within them reside the illimitable possibilities for the advancement of the human race as naturally would reside in six million human beings. ... In this catastrophe, when six million human beings are being whirled toward the grave by a cruel and relentless fate, only the most idealistic promptings of human nature should sway the heart and move the hand. Six million men and women are dying from lack of the necessaries of life [...] bigoted lust for Jewish blood. In this threatened holocaust of human life in the name of the humanity of Moses to six million famished men and women. Six million men and women are dying ... six million Jewish men and women are starring across the seas ... "

1919 - The Evening Tribune Providence, October 31st, 1919, page 11
"In the midst of our campaign for the relief of the six million Jews of Eastern Europe ... "

1919 - The Record (Johnson City, NY), November 1st, 1919, page 8
"There are 6,000,000 Jews in eastern Europe whom the war has left dependant upon America for aid."

1919 - Beatrice Daily Sun (NE), November 8th, 1919, page 2
"The territory which Mr. Hoover visited is but a part of that in which 6,000,000 Jews, suffers of war and war's equally horrible after-math, stand helpless today, ... The Need: SIX MILLION STARVING SOULS. Six million Jews in Poland, Lithuania, Galicia, Palestine, Turkey and Siberia are dying of starvation. ... These six million despairing souls are totally dependent on American generosity for the bare necessities of life. The Object: $35,000,000 for 6,000,000 LIVES"

1919 - Lebanon Daily News (PA), November 11th, 1919, page 2
"DISEASE AND STARVATION IN POLAND Lieut. Wright Tells of Half Starved People Clad in Rags BREAD OUT OF LEAVES Says 6,000,000 Face Death This Winter Unless Given Immediate Relief ... 6,000,000 Face Death ... Six million Jews in eastern Europe face death during the coming winter,"

1919 - Felix M. Warburg, New York Times, November 12th, 1919
"The Jews were the worst sufferers in the war. The successive blows of contending armies have all but broken the back of European Jewry and have reduced to tragically unbelievable poverty, starvation and disease about 6,000,000 souls, or half the Jewish population of the earth."

1919 - Gouvernur Free Press, November 12th, 1919
"Six Million Men and Women Are Dying... Won't You Help Them? ... From across the sea six million men and women call to us for help ... in six million human beings ... In this catastrophe, when six million human beings are being whirled toward the grave by a cruel and relentless fate ... Six million men and women are dying ... Six million men and women are dying ... Because of this war for Democracy six million Jewish men and women are starving across the seas ... Six million men and women of the race that helped do the greatest of the world's work are falling into the grave! ... six million famished men and women now turn mute eyes of appeal ... "

1919 - Chester Times (PA), November 28th, 1919, page 15
"There are 6,000,000 Jews in Eastern Europe whom the war has left dependent upon us for aid."

1919 - Ironwood News Record (MI), December 6th, 1919, page 9
"For First Time in History of Race, Jews Are Asking Others For Help. ... They are doing it because six million Jews in eastern and central Europe are actually in need of food at this moment. ... The problem of 6,000,000 starving men, women and little children ought to be the problem of all humanity."

1919 - Lima News (OH), December 24th, 1919, page 3
"Today Six Million Jews Are Facing the Darkest Days Ever Known In the History of the Race."

1919 - The Toledo News-Bee, December 27th, 1919
"Six Million Human Beings Are Suffering the Tortures of Disease, Hunger and Death ... American Jewish Relief Committee"

1920 - Van Wert Daily Bulletin (OH), January 5, 1920, page 3
"... Jewish relief work in Europe and Asia. There are six million Jews in the two continents who because of the war have been made destitute."

1920 - Manti Messenger (Utah), March 19, 1920
"Just now some six million of Jews, eight hundred thousand of them just children, are in imminent danger of starvation in eastern Europe."

1920 - Tulsa Daily World, April 11th, 1920, section B, page 14
"Today 6,000,000 Jews Are Facing the Darkest Days Ever Known in the Long History of the Race"

1920 - Utica Herald-Dispatch, April 20th, 1920, page 9
"Today 6,000,000 Jews Are Facing the Darkest Days Ever Known in the Long History of the Race."

1920 - New York Times, May 1st, 1920, page 8
"Just Another Drive, but the Lives of 6,000,000 Human Beings Wait Upon the Answer."

1920 - New York Times, May 2nd, 1920, page 1
" ... six million human beings, without food, shelter, clothing or medical treatment."

1920 - New York Times, May 3rd, 1920, page 11
"Your help is needed to save the lives of six million people in Eastern and Central Europe.

1920 - New York Times, May 5th, 1920, page 9
" ... to save six million men and women in Eastern Europe from extermination by hunger and disease."

1920 - New York Times, May 5th, 1920, page 19
"Six million starving, fever-stricken sufferers in war-torn Europe appeal to us."

1920 - New York Times, May 7th, 1920
" ... Jewish war sufferers in Central and Eastern Europe where six millions face horrifying conditions of famine, disease and death.

1920 - Reads a poster tied to a lampost in a photograph in the June 1st, 1920 edition (Vol. 1, No.3) of Jewish Relief News
"JEWISH WAR RELIEF CAMPAIGN (—) MAY 2 TO 9(—) SIX MILLION STARVING SOULS"

1920 - Montgomery Advertiser (Montgomery, AL), Tuesday, June 29, 1920, p.5.
"Must They Pay the Price? Victims of the War—In the Path of Five Armies[.] Six Million Jews have been pillaged, plundered, mal-treated, driven about the country like cattle."

1920 - Ogden Standard Examiner, August 8, 1920, page 9
"PUSH DRIVE FOR JEWISH RELIEF ... Mr. Bond declared today that there are six million jews (sic) in eastern and central Europe whom the war has left dependent upon America."

1920 - The Ogden Standard-Examiner, August 20th, 1920
" ... there are six million Jews in eastern and central Europe whom the war has left dependent upon America."

1920 - New York Tribune, August 29th, 1920
"Six million Jews were made homeless by five years of foreign and domestic wars."

1920 - Brooklyn Daily Eagle, August 29th, 1920
"Six million Jews had been made homeless, starving, naked and plague ridden by five years of foreign and domestic wars that swept Poland."

1921 - Pamphlet apparently issued in 1921 for members of American Jewish Distribution Committee, filled with "Facts to Talk About" during public meetings.
"SHARE YOUR PLENTY WITH SIX MILLION WAR SUFFERERS WHO ARE STARVED, RAGGED AND PLAGUE-RIDDEN ... JEWISH WAR SUFFERERS ... The position of the Jew in Europe today is highly precarious. There are about six million Jews in Central and Eastern Europe outside of Soviet Russia"

1921 - New York Times, July 20, 1921, page 2
"BEGS AMERICA SAVE 6,000,000 IN RUSSIA. Russia's 6,000,000 Jews are facing extermination by massacre."

1922 - The New York Call, Monday, January 2, 1922, p.2
"JEWS MEET HERE JAN. 15 TO PLAN CAMPAIGN FOR $6,000,000 FOR RELIEF"

1922 - Lowell Sun (MA), March 22, 1922, page 14
"The Jews in the immediate district for which the aid of the war sufferers' campaign is to be given numbered over six million. ... Over 300,000 orphans, over 150,000 descrated women, over six million wandering Jews walking, crawling in their misery, feeding on the bark of trees and on herbs that drow by the wayside."

1925 - Lawrence Journal-World (Kansas), June 29th, 1925, p.5
"Jewish National Fund Invests Almost $6,000,000 in Palestine"

1926 - Encyclopaedia Britannica, 13th Edition, Vol. 1, 1926, page 145
"While there remain in Russia and Rumania over six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded ..."

1926 - Canadian Jewish Review, April 9th, 1926, page 4
" ... the extreme need of 6,000,000 Jews in Russia and Poland,"

1926 - New York Times, April 21st, 1926
"In Heaven's Name, Arouse the Jews of America! New York's Quota: $6,000,000 United Jewish Campaign of New York"

1930 - The Daily Times (PA), March 15, 1930, p.5
"Will Raise $6,000,000 for Upbuilding Palestine and to Rehabilitate Jews of Eastern Europe"

1931 - The Montreal Gazette, December 28th, 1931, page 25
"SIX MILLION JEWS FACE STARVATION. ... FEARS CRISIS AT HAND. ... six million Jews in Eastern Europe face starvation, and even worse, during the coming winter."

1932 - Symphony of Six Million, film, April 29th, 1932
Directed by Gregory La Cava, written by Fannie Hurst (story), J. Walter Ruben, Bernard Schubert (screenplay), starring Ricardo Cortez.

1933 - New York Times, March 29, 1933
"It is now active in relief and reconstructive work in Eastern Europe where 6,000,000 Jews are involved."

1933 - New York Times, June 1st, 1933, page 6
"Dr. Margoshes said he had received a letter from the poet at Zurich a few days ago, stating that she had 'run away from the holocaust ... '"

1933 - The Jewish Western Bulletin, September 21st, 1933
"At this period of human persecution and of human destruction, when life, especially Jewish life has ceased to be of any value in the cruel land of bloody Germany, when the lives of hundreds of thousands are tortured and hang in the balance - during this holocaust ... "

1935 - New York Times, September 8th, 1935, page 26
"The preliminary session of the first world conference of the Federation of Polish Jews being attended by sixty delegates from eighteen countries representing 6,000,000 Jews ... "

1936 - Kabbalist & Zionist Jacob de Hass, B'nai B'rith Magazine: The National Jewish Monthly. Volume 50, Number 6, March, 1936.
"Six million Jews are affected by this omnipresent fear ("of another world war")"

1936 - New York Times, May 31st, 1936, page 14
"AMERICANS APPEAL FOR JEWISH REFUGE. The petition, in expressing the opinion of enlightened Christian leadership in the United States, favoring a larger Jewish immigration into Palestine, stressed the intolerable sufferings of the millions of Jews in "the European holocaust." ... to save these unfortunate millions from total annihilation ... "

1936 - The Jewish Western Bulletin, June 2nd, 1936, page 3
"Great Britain has it within her power to throw open the gates of Palestine and let in the victimized and persecuted Jews escaping from the European holocaust."

1936 - The Montreal Gazette, August 8th, 1936, page 5
"Delegates of 32 Nations Represent six million Hebrews."

1936 - Chaim Weizmann, speech before the Peel Commission on Palestine, King David Hotel in Jerusalem, November 25, 1936
"If one goes further afield (in Europe), and takes the Jewries of Rumania, Latvia, Lithuania, Austria, ones see practically the same picture, and it is no exaggeration on my part to say that today six million — I am not speaking of the Jews in Persia and Morocco and such places, who are very inarticulate, one hears very little of them — in that part of the world are doomed to be pent up in places where they are not wanted, ... These six million people to whom I have referred are condemned to live from hand to mouth. ... it affects the fate of six million people."

1936 - Chaim Weizmann, The Jewish Western Bulletin, December 11th, 1936, page 3
" ... where six million Jews are in a position which is neither life nor death."

1936 - New York Post, December 11th, 1936, page 19
"JEWISH RELIEF BOARD TO HEAR LEHMAN SUDAY Gathering to consider the crisis confronting 6,000,000 Jews in Central and Eastern Europe,"

1937 - Fitchburg Sentinel, February 17th, 1937, page 1 & 11
"Stating that "6,000,000 Jews in central Europe have neither life nor death because of extreme persecution," Mrs Emanuel Halpern of New York city, member of the national board of Hadassah urged ... Today there are 6,000,000 million (sic) Jews in central Europe who have neither life nor death."

1937 - The Jewish Criterion, September 3, 1937
"the position of the six million Jews of Central and Eastern Europe with whose existence the J.D.C." was "so vitally concerned."

1937 - Albany Evening News (NY), Wednesday, May 27, 1937, p.6.
"The plight of six million Jews in Europe is an outstanding indictment against the ruthlessness of dictatorships that have seen fit to utilize uncivilized and thoroughly un-Christian methods in the persecution of minorities, in order to gain their personal and selfish attainments. It is our duty to try to alleviate the perilous conditions of the youth in Germany and Poland, and it is the duty of every Jew to assist in raising the quota that is allotted to use [recte: us]."

1937 - Chaim Weizmann speech (4 Aug 37) at the World Zionist Conference, Switzerland, The Manchester Guardian (UK), Monday, August 9, 1937, p.13
"I told the Royal Commission [on Palestine, Nov 25, 1936] that the hopes of 6,000,000 Jews are centred on emigration. The I was asked: "But can you bring 6,000,000 to Palestine?" I replied: "No. I am acquainted with the laws of physics and chemistry and I know the force of material factors. In our generation I divide the figure by three, and you can see in that the depth of the Jewish tragedy—two millions of youth, with their lives before them, who have lost the most elementary of rights, the right to work." The old ones will pass, they will bear their fate or they will not. They are dust, economic and moral dust in a cruel world."

1937 - Jewish Western Bulletin, December 31st, 1937
"The number six million is often used to describe the Jewish population of Central and Eastern Europe."

1938 - New York Times, January 9th, 1938, page 12
"PERSECUTED JEWS SEEN ON INCREASE. 6,000,000 VICTIMS NOTED. ... Five to six million in all are today the victims of governmental anti-Semitism ... "

1938 - New York Times, February 23rd, 1938, page 23
"A depressing picture of 6,000,000 Jews in Central Europe deprived of protection or economic opportunities, slowly dying of starvation, all hope gone ... Now anti-Semitism has spread to thirteen European nations, and threatens the very existence of millions of Jews."

1938 - Sunday Times-Advertiser (Trenton, NJ), March 20, 1938
"The simple fact is that the fate of six million Jews in Poland, Roumania, Germany and Austria hangs in the balance."

1938 - The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), April 1st, 1938, page 15
"I shall not comment upon the first except to remind you that six million Jews in Europe are struggling between life and death."

1938 - The Guardian, April 4th, 1938, page 11
"Six million Jews at this moment are trapped like rats ... "

1938 - New York Times, May 2nd, 1938
"The rising tide of anti-Semitism in Europe today, which has deprived more than 6,000,000 Jews and non-Aryans of a birthright ... "

1938 - The Jews of Central Europe by Jacob Lestshinsky, in Jewish Frontier, Vol. 5, No.6, June 1938, page 13
"EVERY NATION is morally compelled to face the bitter truth. This article is written not with the intent of bewailing our plight but in order to arrive at a factual calculation of the status of six million Jews in Central and Eastern Europe and of the prospects that exist in the lands of immigration."

1938 - Port Arthur News, June 9th, 1938, page 1
"It is estimated that nearly six million Jews have been driven from their homes by ruthless oppressors and stripped not only of their property but their right to work for a living."

1938 - Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, June 16th, 1938, page 18
"Judge Lewis urged American members of the race to swing moral and financial powers into the channels of evacuating some 6,000,000 Jews to Palestine."

1938 - Turtle Mountain Star, Rolla, North Dakota, October 6th, 1938
"Five or six million Jews, uprooted by dictatorship and tossed about by economic storms, may have to depend upon the development of the Holy Land, under British mandate, as a solution to their difficulties. But they face the hostility of the Arabs living there, whose economic and religious interests conflict with theirs. ... protects the settlers from the raiding Arabs. ... The Arabs Are Coming! ... The dreaded Mohammedan raiders have been sighted by a neighbor settler ... "

1938 - The Times, November 22nd, 1938
"Mass emigration of Jews to Palestine for two years and the formation of a Jewish national assembly was advocated by Sir John Haslam, M.P., in a message which he sent to a public meeting at the Kingsway Hall last night held by the New Zionist Organization. The message stated that the problem now involved some 6,000,000 Jews."

1939 - New York Times, January 15th, 1939, page 27
"Rabbi Silver wanted assistance to Jewish emigration safeguarded so that European governments would realize that 'it is impossible to evacuate 6,000,000 Jews.'"

1939 - The Binghampton Press, January 18, 1939, page 8
"IRISH PLEA — Deputy Robert Briscoe, only Jewish member of the Irish Parliament, arrives in New York city to begin a campaign to enlist Americans in a plan for resettling approximately 6,000,000 Jews in Palestine."

1939 - The Canadian Jewish Chronicle, January 27th, 1939
"Only six million Jews remain at the moment safe. But they will have to carry the burden."

1939 - The Daily Sentinel (Rome, NY), January 31st, 1939, page 11
"Does Mr. X really believe that if Hitler gains control of Spain with the help of Franco, that life in Spain will be any different than it is today in Germany, Austria and Czechoslovakia where 6,000,000 Jews have been murdered, ..."

1939 - Chaim Weizmann, The Palestine Post, February 14th, 1939
"The fate of six million people was in balance ... "

1939 - The Jewish Criterion, February 17th, 1939, page 20
"The fate of six million people is in the balance. ... They supported their stand with a declaration that Jews never needed unrestricted immigration to Palestine as much as at present, with 6,000,000 Jewish refugees seeking a haven."

1939 - The Evening Independent, February 22nd, 1939, page 1
"6,000,000 Helpless. ... there are six million Jews in Europe today fighting desperately against intolerance and despair. For them the support of the united appeal is crucial."

1939 - The Jewish Western Bulletin, March 3rd, 1939
"SIX MILLION JEWS OVERSEAS FACING PERSECUTION, DISCRIMINATION AND ECONOMIC RUIN ... "

1939 - The Advocate, March 17, 1939. The Advocate: America's Jewish Journal. Vols. 95-98. 1939, page 47
"If the six million Jews that constitute the European scene were removed from the lands where they now dwell the forces of brutality and ruthlessness would still continue to operate."

1939 - The Jewish Criterion, April 7th, 1939, page 4
"Not in Hitler's Hands, In Yours ... The Fate Of Six Million European Jews"

1939 - The Jewish Criterion, April 7th, 1939, page 33
" ... six million Jewish people who are in dire need today."

1939 - The Jewish Criterion, April 14th, 1939, page 4
"Recent events in Central Europe have brought to 6,000,000 the total number of Jews in Central and Eastern European countries affected by anti-Semitic activities"

1939 - The Jewish Criterion, April 14th, 1939, page 6
" ... whether our 6,000,000 fellow countrymen will live or die ... More than a million refugees, starving, tortured, fear-dazed, have been dragged from their homes, separated from their families, expelled from their countries. Five million more, await with horror the moment this misery will strike them ... "

1939 - Chester Times (PA), April 20th, 1939, page 6
"Six million Jews are the stepchildren of fate in Europe today."

1939 - The Jewish Criterion, April 21st, 1939, page 15
" ... the distress and suffering of 6,000,000 Jews in Europe. ... HAVE YOU DONE YOUR DUTY? THE UNITED JEWISH FUND NEEDS YOUR HELP FOR THE HELPLESS 6,000,000 IN EUROPE

1939 - The Jewish Criterion, April 28th, 1939, page 3
" ... 6,000,000 fellow Jews who are in distress today."

1939 - The Niagara Falls Gazette, May 1st, 1939, page 15
"ITHACA RABBI SAYS FREE JEWS MUST AID HARASSED BRETHREN Six Million Jews Are Refugees, Members of B'nai B'rith Lodges Told. Three-eights of the world's Jewish population of 16,000,000 persons, or approximately 6,000,000 persons, are potential refugees. ... Rabbis Fischoff declared that the 6,000,000 Jews or Christians of Jewish extraction are in real of imminent danger due to the spread of totalitarianism in the world."

1939 - The Jewish Criterion, May 5th, 1939, page 9
"PLIGHT OF 6,000,000 ... The 6,000,000 European Jews ... "

1939 - The Jewish Criterion, May 12th, 1939, page 7
"The year of 1939 is the year of the most critical struggle of 6,000,000 European Jews."

1939 - Western Morning News (Devon, UK), June 8th, 1939, page 6
PLIGHT OF THE UNWANTED ... A little more than a month ago Lord Winterton, chairman of the Evian Committe, declared that the potential problem concerned five or six million Jews."

1939 - Ohio Jewish Chronicle, June 30th, 1939, page 1
"The crisis which Jews of Europe are facing today envelopes far more than six millions souls."

1939 - Contemporary Jewish Record, Vol. 2, No.5, September-October 1939, p.3 (Published by the American Jewish Committee)
" ... the coming ward would be the annihilation of the six million Jews in East and Central Europe."

1939 - The Sentinel (Chicago, IL), October 12, 1939.
" ... the coming ward would be the annihilation of the six million Jews in East and Central Europe."

1939 - The Jewish Criterion, October 13th, 1939, page 2
" ... the coming ward would be the annihilation of the six million Jews in East and Central Europe."

1939 - Samuel Broncheck, Syracuse Herald-Journal, October 30th, 1939, page 15
"... in Poland alone there are 6,000,000 Jews who are now subject to Hitler's persecution or Stalin's "communizing.""

1939 - The Southern Israelite, November 28th, 1939
" ... the coming ward would be the annihilation of the six million Jews in East and Central Europe."

1940 - Mason City Globe Gazette (Iowa), January 20th, 1940, page 16
"Mr. Tannenbaum stressed that Palestine offered the only solution to the six million Jews who are homeless, starving and sick in central and eastern Europe today."

1940 - The Southern Israelite, May 3rd, 1940
"Almost six million Jews find themselves on the brink of starvation and extermination. Their only hope is the help which the Jews of America can extend to them. The success of the United Jewish Appeal will determine their fate.

1940 - Robert W. Schiff, Ohio Jewish Chronicle, May 17th, 1940, page 1
"Over six million Jews in Central and Eastern Europe are faced with great danger of annihilation as the result of the sweep of war and oppression."

1940 - New York Times, June 25th, 1940, page 4
"Six million Jews in Europe are doomed to destruction, if the victory of Nazis should be final. ... The chances for mass emigration and resettlement of European Jewry seems to be remote, and European Jews face the danger of physical annihilation. Even the 4,000,000 Jews under Soviet rule, although free from racial discrimination, are not safe in the event of a final Nazi victory."

1940 - Joplin News Herald (Missouri), June 25th, 1940, page 3
"Six million Jews in Europe are doomed to destruction."

1940 - Ohio Jewish Chronicle, June 28th, 1940, page 1
"The lives of six million Jews have been uprooted by the psychopathic, political ambitions of totalitarian leaders."

1940 - The Palestine Post, July 1st, 1940, page 6
"Nor must we despair that six million Jews will forever lose trace of their historic heritage."

1940 - The Jewish Criterion, November 15th, 1940
"J.N.F. to Raise $6,000,000 for Palestine During Coming Year. ... the Jewish National Fund of America voted to raise $6,000,000 for the holy land's war needs during the coming year."

1941 - Salt Lake Tribune, February 5th, 1941, page 2
"Nazis Prepare Blueprint Of All World Enslaved ... Later, the survivors will all be sent to whatever "reservation" the Nazis finally decide to set up—all six million of Europe's Jews."

1941 - New York Times, October 2nd, 1941
" ... as to avoid the likelihood of another holocaust."

1941 - The Jewish Criterion, November 28th, 1941
"6,000,000 Jews in Europe Look to America for Aid, Says Warburg. Fully six million Jews in Europe ... "

1942 - The Jewish Spectator, Volume 7, 1942, page 53
"Now, too, the unspeakable tragedy of almost six million Jews under nazi domination is not considered sufficiently important to be discussed."

1942 - The Palestine Post, November 1st, 1942
"The Chief Rabbi, who spoke on behalf of Empire Jewry and Jews of the United Nations, as well as of all six million Jews in Europe, said that the deliberate extinction of the whole house of Israel was being carried out by Hitler's sadists and quislings on a scale beyond compare even in the annals of Israel."

1942 - New York Times, December 13th, 1942, page 21
"Rabbi Israel Goldstein in Temple B'nai Jeshurun, Eighty-eighth Street, near Broadway, declared: "Authenticated reports point to 2,000,000 Jews who have already been slain by all manner of satanic barbarism, and plans for the total extermination of all Jews upon whom the Nazis can lay their hands. The slaughter of a third of the Jewish population in Hitler's domain and the threatened slaughter of all is a holocaust without parallel."

1942 - The Courier-Mail (Brisbane), December 19th, 1942
"GERMAN HORROR CRIMES; ALLIES PROMISE JUSTICE. Statements issued simultaneously in London, Washington and Moscow, told at German barbarity and of proof of the Nazi determination to exterminate Jews. ... Hitler's decision to exterminate the Jews ... It is estimated that there are between five and six million Jews in Occupied Europe ... Nazi Slaughter House. ... Hitler's oft-repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe."

1942 - Barrier Miner (Australia), December 23rd, 1942
"Mr. Silverman suggested that Australia and Canada could each absorb 6,000,000 Jews. ... MOST ARE DOOMED ... The Jewish Congress declares that 2,000,000 Jews have been exterminated so far."

1942 - The Massacre of a People: What the Democracies Can Do, 1943. The following article is an except from "Let My People Go," a pamphlet written on Christmas Day, 1942, in London.
"Of the six million Jews or so who were living at the outbreak of the war in what is at present Nazi-occupied Europe, a high proportion—between one and two million—have been deliberately murdered by the Nazis and their satellites. ... Unless something effective is done, within a very few months these six million Jews will all be dead,"

1943 - American Zionist Emergency Council (from 1970: American Zionist Movement) - "Palestine" - Volumes 1-5 (1943)
"Jewish civilian casualties will be close to six million ... "

1943 - "Debates: House of Commons, official report, volume 5, Canada, 1943
"I should like to read a bit from a pamphlet entitled "Let My People Go," written by Victor Gollancz: Of the 6,000,000 Jews or so who were living at the outbreak of the war in what is at present nazi-occupied Europe, a high proportion -say between one and two million- have been deliberately murdered by the nazis and their satellites. ... within a very few months these six million Jews will all be dead ... "

1943 - The Canberra Times, January 25th, 1943
" ... Jews are being subjected as part of Hitler's plan to exterminate six million Jews in occupied Europe."

1943 - The (London) Times, January 25th, 1943
"They note further that the extermination already carried out is part of the Carrying into effect of Hitler's oft-repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe, which means in effect the extermination of some 6,000,000 persons in the territories over which Hitler's rule has been extended.

1943 - Lowell Sun (MA), January 26th, 1943, page 9
"Of these six million Jews, almost a third have already been massacred by Germans, Rumanians and Hungarians and the most conservative of scorekeepers estimate that before the war ends at least another third will have been done to death."

1943 - The Guardian, January 27th, 1943, page 4
"A PROPOSAL TO SAVE THE JEWS ... Some six million lives remained in imminent peril."

1943 - The Canadian Jewish Review, January 29th, 1943, page 1
" ... Hitler really intended to exterminate 6,000,000 more human beings."

1943 - The Zionist Review, January 29, 1943, page 3
"A statement calling on the Government to declare its readiness to co-operate in finding an immediate refuge for all Jewish refugees from death at the hands of the Nazis has been issued by the Archbishops of Canterbury (Dr. Temple), York (Dr. Garbett), and Wales (Dr. Green). ... They note, further, that the extermination already carried out is part of the carrying into effect of Hitler's oft-repeated intention to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe, which means in effect the extermination of some 6,000,000 persons in the territories over which Hitler's rule has been extended.

1943 - Hull Daily Mail, January 30th, 1943, page 3
"Mr Gollancz states that of the six million Jews living at the outbreak of war in the present Nazi-dominated areas, between one and two million have been deliberately murdered."

1943 - Contemporary Jewish Record, Vol. 6 No. 1, February 1943 (Published by the American Jewish Committee)
"Suddenly, during the summer of 1942, world public opinion was shocked out of its lethargy by the realization that the Nazis had decreed the complete extinction of six million Jews and that a third of the victims had already perished."

1943 - Western Morning News (Devon UK), February 5th, 1943, page 2
"There are some who hold that Hitler's set purpose is the extermination of the Jews in Occupied Europe, numbering about six millions. ... We can neither accommodate six million Jews here nor dictate the attitude of other Governments."

1943 - Ben Hecht, Reader's Digest, February 1943, page 108
"Of these 6,000,000 Jews almost a third have already been massacred by Germans, Rumanians and Hungarians, and the most conservative of the scorekeepers estimate that before the war ends at least another third will have been done to death."

1943 - New York Times, March 2nd, 1943
" ... appalling is the fact that those who proclaim the Four Freedoms have so far done very little to secure even the freedom to live for 6,000,000 of their Jewish fellow men by readiness to rescue those who might still escape Nazi torture and butchery."

1943 - The Canadian Jewish Review, March 14th, 1943, page 8
"Two millions of Jews have already been done to death. Six millions in mid-Europe are sentenced to die."

1943 - Wallace R. Deuel, Cumberland Evening Times, March 23rd, 1943, page 1
"The Nazis set out in the beginning to destroy whole peoples. They expected to obliterate from the earth not less than 6,000,000 Jews as a beginning."

1943 - The Advertiser (Adelaide, Australia), May 15th, 1943
" ... the possibility of the complete wiping out of six million Jews if something is not immediately done to secure a harbour of refuge."

1943 - The Canadian Jewish Review, August 13th, 1943, page 8
"Two million Jews out of Europe's six million have already been slaughtered by the Nazis; most of the remainder seem doomed,

1943 - Toledo Blade, August 27th, 1943
"3,000,000 Jews Left In Europe - 5,300,000 Reported To Have Perished. Europe's Jewish population has been reduced from 8,300,000 to 3,000,000 during the 10 years the Nazis have been in power, says the Institute of Jewish Affairs."

1943 - July 21, 1943, Ben Hecht's show 'We Shall Not Die' staged at the Hollywood Bowl, California
"The Germans murdered 2,000,000 Jewish civilians without trouble; the Germans are murdering the surviving 4,000,000 Jewish civilians of Europe without trouble."

1943 - The Yorkshire Post and Leeds Mercury, Tuesday, December 7, 1943, p.1.
"Hitler had pronounced a sentence of death on the 6,000,000 Jews of Europe. The Nazis had already murdered two millions by machine-gun and lethal chamber, by torture and hunger, and were now busy exterminating the third million."

1944 - The Palestine Post, January 23rd, 1944
"Only a handful of Polish Jews survived the extermination. They were now either with the partisans in the forests or living as Crypto-Jews. The death toll was six million, they declared."

1944 - The Polish Jewish Observer (Section of The City and East London Observer), Friday, February 4, 1944, p.1.
"6,000,000 JEWS SLAIN? THAT the [sic] appalling total of 6,000,000 Jews have been slaughtered in Poland was testified to by the two members of the Polish underground movement who have just arrived in Palestine. [...] The figure of 6,000,000 slain, it was said, included Jews deported to Poland from various European countries."

1944 - The Montreal Gazette, March 18th, 1944, page 11
"There must be insurance that the Germans, unrepentant as they were after the last war, do not prepare another holocaust."

1944 - Rabbi Michael Dov Ber Weissmandl, May 15th, 1944
"And you - our brothers in Palestine, in all the countries of freedom, and you, ministers of all the kingdom - how do you keep silent in the face of this great murder? Silent while thousand on thousands, reaching now to six million Jews, were murdered. And silent now while tens of thousands are still being murdered and waiting to be murdered? Their destroyed hearts cry to you for help as they bewail your cruelty. Brutal you are and murderers too you are, because of the cold-bloodedness of the silence in which you watch."

1944 - Rabbi Michael Dov Ber Weissmandel, May 31st, 1944
" ... heads of government and radio must announce what was done to our people in the slaughter house of Belzec, Malkinia (Treblinka), Sobibor, and Auschwitz. Till now six times a million Jews from Europe and Russia have been destroyed."

1944 - Moshe Sharett future Israeli PM, June 15th, 1944. Quoted in a telegram (same day) from the British High Commissioner of Palestine to the Colonial Secretary in London (TNA Kew, T 161/1167)
"Shertok derived the impression that enemy motives were mixed, and might be all or any of the following:- (a) the purely realistic object of getting various commodities from us through the only medium of exchange available; (b) hope that by obtaining some credit in our eyes for not slaughtering 2,000,000 Jews they would get away with the fact that they had slaughtered 6,000,000 Jews already;"

1944 - United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America Convention Proceedings, September 25th-29th, 1944
"WHEREAS: History records no parallel to the bestial cruelties inflicted on the Jewish people of Europe by the Nazis and their satellites, whose coldly calculated program of extermination of all European Jews very nearly succeeded, almost six million Jews having been murdered in cold blood ... "

1944 - Youngstown Vindicator (Ohio), November 27th, 1944
"A five-volume "black book" containing a documentary record of the German massacre of approximately 6,000,000 European Jews is being prepared by the state publishing house."

1944 - The Pittsburgh Press, November 28th, 1944, page 5
"Six Million Jews Listed Slaughtered. A five-volume "black book" containing a documentary record of the German massacre of approximately six million European Jews was being prepared today by the State publishing house. ... The work was under the general editorship of Ilya Ehrenburg and the editorial board included Poet-Playwright Konstantin Simonov, Writer Vsevold [Vsevolod] Ivanov and Poetess Vera Imber.

1944 - The Leader, November 28th, 1944
"Russian "Black Book" lists German crimes. The first volume of a five-volume Russian "black book" recording the documentary form of the German massacre of approximately 6,000,000 European Jews has been completed by the Soviet state publishing house ... The five-volume work is under the general editorship of Ilya Ehrenburg, noted Soviet writer and war correspondent, with an editorial board that includes poet-playwright Kanstantin [Konstantin] Simonov, writer Vsevold [Vsevolod] Ivanov and poetess Vera Imber. Editors of the work -which will be published in both Russian and English in press runs of hundreds of thousands of copies- estimate from data now available that the Germans killed between 5,000,000 and 6,000,000 Jews in Russia, Poland and western Europe. They believe an additional 500,000 now are being murdered in Hungary."

1944 - The Palestine Post, November 28th, 1944
"SIX MILLIONS MURDERED. The Soviet State Publishing House is preparing the publication of another "Black Book," a documentary record of the German massacre of approximately six million European Jews. ... According to the Soviet editors, the Germans killed between five and six million Russian, Polish and Western European Jews, and an additional half million are being murdered in Hungary now."

1944 - The Jewish Criterion, December 1st, 1944
" ... 5,500,000 Jews have been killed in Germany and German-occupied territories since the outbreak of the war. ... Yes, the Germans murdered close to six million Jews ... "

1944 - President of the Chester Zionist Organization, Rabbi Naphtali Frishberg, Chester Times (PA), December 2, 1944, p.6
"With six million dead abroad, how can the Council on Judaism ..."

1944 - Springfield Republican (Springfield, MA), Monday, December 4, 1944, p.2
"6,000,000 JEWS DEAD, RESULT OF THE WAR ... The war losses of world Jewish [sic], including those killed in action, now total more than 6,000,000, Dr Nahum Goldman told members of the executive committee of the New England division of the American Jewish congress today."

1944 - Nahum Goldmann, Jewish Western Bulletin, December 8th, 1944
" ... apart from Jewish losses in combat service, 5,500,000 Jews have been killed in Germany and German-occupied tesritories [recte: territories] since the outbreak of the awr [recte: war]. These figures exceed the number anticipated even by the most pessimistic. ... Yes, the Germans murdered close to six million Jews ... "

1944 - Ilya Ehrenburg, Soviet War News, December 22nd, 1944
"In the regions they seized, Germans killed all Jews, from the old folks to infants in arms. Ask any German prisoners why his fellow countrymen annihilated six million innocent people ... "

1945 - Ilya Ehrenburg, Soviet War News, January 4th, 1945
"In regions they seized the Germans killed all the Jews from the old folk to infants in arms. Ask any German prisoner why his fellow countrymen annihilated six million innocent people and he will reply quite simply : "Why, they were Jews."

1945 - New York Times, January 8th, 1945
"6,000,000 JEWS DEAD. The Jewish population in Europe has been reduced from 9,500,000 in 1939 to 3,500,000. Of the 6,000,000 European Jews who have died, 5,000,000 had lived in the countries under Hitler's occupation."

1945 - New York Times, February 11th, 1945, page 10
"1,200,000 Jews survived of the 6,000,000 who had been under German rule during the war, and that most of them were eager to come to Palestine."

1945 - New York Times, February 17th, 1945
"Dr. Joseph Schwartz, European director of the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, estimated today that 500,000 of Europe's 6,000,000 Jews had escaped destruction by emigration and that only 1,000,000 to 1,500,000 of Europe's 6,000,000 Jews were now left on the Continent."

1945- Ilya Ehrenburg, Pravda, March 1, 1945
"The world now knows that the Germans killed six million Jews. They killed all Jews - from infants at the breast to the aged."

1945- Ilya Ehrenburg, Soviet War News, March 15, 1945
"The world now knows that Germany has killed six million Jews."

1945 - Joseph Thon, president of the National Organization of Polish Jews in America, March 22nd, 1945
"I accuse the whole German people that in the years 1939 to 1945 they slaughtered upward of 15,000,000 men, among which there were 6,000,000 Jews. ... The German people murdered, in cold blood, in excess of 6,000,000 European Jews, among them over 3,000,000 Polish Jews."

1945 - Ilya Ehrenburg, The Advertiser (Adelaide), March 27th, 1945
" ... the Germans tortured the last handful of Jews. The Germans killed six million Jews -all the Jews of Poland, Hungary, the Ukraine, Lithuania, Byelo-Russia, West Europe and of course Germany."

1945 - Army News (Darwin, Australia), April 11th, 1945
"NAZIS HAVE MURDERED SIX MILLION JEWS. Of a population of 16 million Jews in the world before the war, more than six million had been murdered by the Nazis."

1945 - New York Post, April 21st, 1945, page 9
"The Nazi leaders felt they had nothing to fear. "They murdered six million Jews, but nothing was done. In the words of the Czech delegate to the London War Crimes Commission,"

1945 - Stephen S. Wise, May 1945; Friends Indeed: The Special Relationship of Israel and the United States, Norman Finkelstein, 1998, page 33
"The Christian world, and I include England, of course, in the Christian world, suffered six million of the people of Jesus of Nazareth to die in a most horrible manner. The Christian world owes the Jews some reparation."

1945 - New York Times, May 2nd, 1945
" ... estimated that only 1,000,000 of 6,000,000 Jews in Europe in 1939 were still alive."

1945 - The Pittsburgh Press, May 13th, 1945
"Nazis Destroy six million Jews. ... Of the eight million Jews living in Germany and German occupied countries before the war, 6,200,000 have died from either execution, cruel treatment or starvation, according to latest figures compiled by Jewish welfare organisations here."

1945 - New York Times, May 20th, 1945, page 7
" ... seemingly endless streams of former "slaves" from all parts of Europe and by the huge cantonments of liberated victims of Nazism. More than six million of them have been liberated ... "

1945 - Dr. Jacob Robinson (lawyer), June 11th (12th), 1945; Nuremberg: The Last Battle, David Irving, 1996, page 61
"How great were these losses, inquired [Robert H.] Jackson, seeking a figure to use at the coming trial. 'Six million,' responded Dr. Robinson, and indicated that the figure included Jews in all Nazi-occupied lands 'from the Channel to Stalingrad' ... Jackson noted that day: 'I was particularly interested in knowing the source and reliability of his estimate as I know no authentic data on it.'"

1945 - Chaim Weizmann, president of the (World) Zionist Organisation, speech in London at the World Zionist Congress on August 1st, 1945. "An Answer to Mr. Bevin by Chaim Weizmann" Jewish Spectator, Vol.X, No.5, September 1945
"The Jewish people, with its six million victims in Europe,"

1945 - David ben Gurion, speech in London at the World Zionist Congress on August 2nd, 1945. Footage viewable at criticalpast.com
"The six million slaughtered Jews."

1945 - The Canadian Jewish Chronicle, August 3rd, 1945, page 7
"This commission is gathering all materials, documents, and photographs illustrating the martyrology of Polish Jews and of the Jews of all Europe. This proves that the Germans murdered six million European Jews in Poland."

1945 - Alexander L. Easterman, Political Secretary of the World Jewish Congress, letter to the head of the British war crimes trials Brigadier General Henry Shapcott, 8th August, 1945, in UK NA: WO 309/424, p.102B.
"As I inform you, the World Jewish Congress has been in relations with the United nations war Crimes Commission and with various Governments on the question of the Jewish aspect of war crimes. In formal memoranda and in many discussions with these authorities, the Congress has expressed their views upon the specific character of the crimes committed against the Jews in Europe by the Nazi Government of Germany and their satellites, crimes which have culminated in the extermination, as a result of a calculated and planned conspiracy against the Jewish people, of some six million Jewish men, women and children."

1945 - The Canadian Jewish Review, August 10th 1945, page 1
"while the Jews, who had lost 6,000,000 victims to Nazism in Europe,"

1945 - The Times (London), August 14th, 1945
" ... some 6,000,000 men, women, and children - were put to death by the Nazis and their satellites."

1945 - The Evening Post (New Zealand), August 21st, 1945, page 5
"Two-fifths of all Jewry-nearly 6,000,000 men, women and children-were butchered."

1945 - The Guardian, September 5th, 1945, page 8
"Altogether, it is estimated that six million Jews have been killed."

1945 - The Canberra Times, September 6th, 1945
"SIX MILLION JEWS KILLED BY GERMANS. Throughout the war the Germans killed 6,000,000 Jews, the number left in Europe being approximately 1,600,000 ... most surviving Jews desired to emigrate to Palestine. The agency plans to send six groups of six men each to help Jews in German camps. ... It is planned to erect a monument on the summit of Mount Scopus to commemorate the Jews who died. It will bear the names of all the 6,000,000, including soldiers, partisans and ghetto fighters. All the Jewish cultural documents and religious objects left in Central and Eastern Europe are to be collected in Palestine."

1945 - The Evening Post (New Zealand), September 6th, 1945, page 7
"The Germans killed 6,000,000 Jews during the war, said Mr. Eliahu Dobkin, head of the Jewish Agency's immigration department, on his return to Jerusalem from Central Europe."

1945 - Jewish Western Bulletin, September 7th, 1945, page 43
"Almost 6,000,000 Jews were wiped out during these years,"

1945 - Jewish Western Bulletin, September 7th, 1945, page 47
"Throughout the world there is a growing indignation over the barbarism and the unspeakable cruelty of the mass murders of six million Jews by the Nazis,"

1945 - New York Times, September 17th, 1945
"Six million Jews have died as martyrs and their blood cries up from the ground."

1945 - Dr. Joseph Tenenbaum President of the American Federation of Polish Jews, The Jewish Criterion, September 21st, 1945, page 7
"Due to German atrocities and Allied neglect six million Jews have been slaughtered."

1945 - American Zionist Emergency Council, New York Post, September 27th, 1945
"It was our very unhappy conviction all along that the responsibility for the extinction of six million Jews in Europe was not Hitler's alone. The Entire Christian world shares that responsibility."

1945 - The Canadian Jewish Review, September 28th, 1945, page 8
"We mourn six million dead adults, the aged, the young and the little Jewish children. We remember them."

1945 - September 30th, 1945. At a Zionist rally at Madison Square Gardens NYC, a huge banner approximately 50ft long and 2.5ft high, hung above the stage on which the speakers addressed the audience. The banner said:
"AREN'T 6,000,000 JEWISH DEATHS ENOUGH?"

1945 - New York Post, October 1st, 1945, page 15
"While "we waited patiently for the fulfiliment of Great Britain's pledges to the Jewish people," they said, "six million Jews were killed in Europe. ..." ... Aren't 6,000,000 Jewish Dead Enough?"

1945 - The Evening Post, October 2nd, 1945, page 7
"The 6,000,000 Jews who had been killed ... "

1945 - The Manhattan Zionist Club, New York Post, October 3rd, 1945, page 21
"For years we waited patiently for the fulfilment of Great Britain's pledges to the Jewish people, We waited in vain. In the meantime, six million Jews were killed in Europe,"

1945 - The Canadian Jewish Chronicle, October 5th, 1945, page 6
"You now propose to continue to keep these doors shut against our survivors, after six million of our people perished, for whose death your country [Britain] is not without blame."

1945 - The Chester Times, October 10th, 1945
"It was our very unhappy conviction all along that the responsibility for extinction of six million Jews in Europe was not Hitler's alone. The entire Christian world shares that responsibility."

1945 - The Observer, October 14th, 1945, page 5
"At the entrance to its office, a large poster asks the searching question: Six million Jews have been murdered-world, where is thy conscience?"

1945 - The Canadian Jewish Review, October 26th, 1945, page 12
"They look about and behold the tragic suffering of Israel during the past decade in which six million Jews perished and they seen to see Israel as a defeated nation."

1945 - The Observer, November 2nd, 1945, page 10
"The horror of the Middle Ages with all forms of torture was brought down upon European Israel with the result that six millions of Jews perished."

1945 - Lebanon Daily News (PA), November 9th, 1945, page 11
"Six million Jews have perished—victims of the Nazis"

1945 - Peter Gay, The Gateway (Uni. of Alberta), November 9th, 1945, page 2
"... six million Jews have been murdered and the few remaining ones are denied a haven ..."

1945 - Chaim Weizmann, president of the WZO, speech on November 19th, 1945, at the convention of the Zionist Organization of America in Atlantic City. 'Weizmann's Rebuke to Bevin', The Jewish Chronicle, November 30, 1945, p.1.
"after the slaughter of six million Jews, the remnant of a million and a half implore the shelter of the Jewish homeland? What a sorry epitaph the new declaration of policy seeks to write over the graves of six million of our dead. The soil of Europe is saturated with their innocent blood."

1945 - The Indian Express (Madras) - Nov 19, 1945, p.4
"The world will have no peace as long as Jews have no opportunity to determine their destiny in their own land. We know from bloody experience that mass murder of six million Jews was made possible only because of their homelessness and statelessness."

1945 - Randolph Churchill, Winston Churchill's son, Daily Boston Globe, November 22nd, 1945, page 9
"Six million Jews have been murdered in the past six years and the problem of finding a home for the two or three million European Jews who remain is one of urgent importance."

1945 - Herbert Seliqmann, Chief of the Jewish Telegraphic Agency Bureau in Washington, The Jewish Criterion, November 30th, 1945, page 7
"... after the massacre of six million Jews in Europe ..."



Shall I continue ?????? or is there enough to sow a seed of doubt ....

One more me thinks

90 % of polish jews ....damn all we need to do is find out how many polish jews were living after the war ....

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/killedtable.html

(https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/killedtable.html)
Or what about this little doozie .....the red cross figures from the camps which kinda is in the SAME ball park as my rough as guts estimate 313598

Shall I stop now .....?????? or shall I continue to the births and deaths .......

or should I quote one of the numbers from me wee list
1943 - July 21, 1943, Ben Hecht's show 'We Shall Not Die' staged at the Hollywood Bowl, California
"The Germans murdered 2,000,000 Jewish civilians without trouble; the Germans are murdering the surviving 4,000,000 Jewish civilians of Europe without trouble."


Gosh those numbers look familiar ..........


Stephen

[TheDemonLord]

Shall I continue ?????? or is there enough to sow a seed of doubt ....

One more me thinks

90 % of polish jews ....damn all we need to do is find out how many polish jews were living after the war ....

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/killedtable.html

(https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/killedtable.html)
Or what about this little doozie .....the red cross figures from the camps which kinda is in the SAME ball park as my rough as guts estimate 313598

Shall I stop now .....?????? or shall I continue to the births and deaths .......

or should I quote one of the numbers from me wee list
1943 - July 21, 1943, Ben Hecht's show 'We Shall Not Die' staged at the Hollywood Bowl, California
"The Germans murdered 2,000,000 Jewish civilians without trouble; the Germans are murdering the surviving 4,000,000 Jewish civilians of Europe without trouble."


Gosh those numbers look familiar ..........


Stephen

What you have posted there - is this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Xv7I8W21XaM/UwnpUTcgYuI/AAAAAAAAAjA/pqrEfMLwjoI/s1600/straw+man.jpg

Even if the 6 million number had been used infinitely before it does NOT invalidate or dismiss the evidence I presented. You need to refute the actual evidence, Character assasination of the SS officer is not refuting it - although I will grant that Oral testimony on it's own isn't very strong

Dismissing the Jewish historian because of a view held a priori and then using the dismissal as evidence of your position is again, a massive logical fallacy (circular reasoning: Y isn't true because X, Because Y isn't True, X is correct)

And what about the German Historian?


all we need to do is find out how many polish jews were living after the war ....

Cool - cite your source to make such a claim - a Link, a reference, anything - until then - that which is presented without evidence (you know the rest)

[TheDemonLord]

Hey shitforbrains, emaciated bodies didn't step off a train into a gas chamber.

The bodies you're gloating over more likely died from disease or starvation.

Ad hominems - Check
Strawman argument - Check
No citation or presentation of Evidence - Check
Faith based anger in the face of empirical evidence - Check.

Conclusion: The views held are not backed up by evidence and are confirmed as Anti-Semitic.

But seeing as you made the claim about Emaciated bodies:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%92%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%9D_%D7%99%D7%90% D7%A9%D7%99_5.jpg

Look at the thickness of some of the Limbs in the picture - whilst some are reasonably healthy, there are some emaciated people on that Train.

And even if they died of Starvation and/or disease - that completely absolves the Nazis of any responsibility right? I mean all they did was round them up, put them in cramped conditions (you know, the same ones that are perfect for the spread of infectious diseases) and barely feed them.

So even if I were to agree that they weren't Gassed (which was not the point of my argument at all - there is your Strawman) it does not in anyway disprove that the Nazis were not responsible.

[Katman]

So even if I were to agree that they weren't Gassed (which was not the point of my argument at all - there is your Strawman) it does not in anyway disprove that the Nazis were not responsible.

I have already stated that I don't deny that the Jews were treated appallingly by the Germans.

I also don't deny that countless thousands (quite possibly hundreds of thousands) died from the effects of their deprivation.

What I'm questioning is the claim that millions were gassed in a deliberate attempt to annihilate a race of people.

There seems to be a distinct lack of irrefutable proof to support a story that we've had rammed down our throats for the last 70 years.

And it makes me wonder whether there is an ulterior motive for doing so.

(And your suggestion that simply questioning an unsupported claim equates to anti-Semitism is laughable and demonstrates the complete lack of rationality you bring to the discussion).

[TheDemonLord]

I have already stated that I don't deny that the Jews were treated appallingly by the Germans.

I also don't deny that countless thousands (quite possibly hundreds of thousands) died from the effects of their deprivation.

What I'm questioning is the claim that millions were gassed in a deliberate attempt to annihilate a race of people.

There seems to be a distinct lack of irrefutable proof to support a story that we've had rammed down our throats for the last 70 years.

And it makes me wonder whether there is an ulterior motive for doing so.

Do you even know what the word irrefutable means?!?

We have the following:

Eye witness testimony from the Victims (and so you can't claim Jewish Conspiracy - This is from the many non-jews who were also targeted - like Gypsys for instance)
Eye witness testimony from the people involved (the Nazis themselves)
Eye witness testimony from the Allied forces
The documented evidence from the Nazis
The picture and video evidence from the Nazis AND from the Allies
The structures that were built
The Gas Chambers where you can visit and see the staining from Cyanide and Zyklon-B on the walls and the shower heads (I believe the colour is Prussian Blue)

(I could go on)

How much more irrefutable can you get?!?!

[Katman]

How much more irrefutable can you get?!?!

You really haven't done any reading, have you?

And I think it's you who doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'irrefutable'.

The very fact that many historians and learned scholars do actually refute the evidence you've listed indicates that it is certainly not 'irrefutable'.

[husaberg]

Perhaps you should start listening to yourself instead of forming an opinion based on the lies that history offers. History has been proven to be an exceptionally shit teacher and why anyone would rely on it to decide the future, let alone in order to claim victory in an internet argument after all but all from the incident are dead defies belief. Still, some folk indoctrinated.

Dragged straight out of TheDemonLord's plaguebook. That, and you simply aren't mentally elastic enough to handle the truth.

I form opinions based on weight of evidence, not on one or two easily explainable co-incidences, I don't go looking into a subject assuming I know there is a conspiracy.
I find it funny what you say, Simply because it is clearly made without examining what it is you are indoctrinated with.
You hassle a few on KB about religion totally oblivious to the fact your own religion is conspiracy

History is a great teacher you just need to observe what and why events occurred.
I have yet to see a single fact to support any argument you have ever raised on KB conversely you ignore all facts presented to you, why because they don't suit your argument, Simply Mashy you can't win an discussion with any reasonable person based on your opinion backed by your opinion reinforced by your own opinion.
When you have no facts offer no evidence. you will gain the support of like minded people who like you need to believe events did not occur.

[husaberg]

So far Ive spent all of three min
Shall I continue ?????? or is there enough to sow a seed of doubt ....
One more me thinks
90 % of polish jews ....damn all we need to do is find out how many polish jews were living after the war ....
Gosh those numbers look familiar ..........[/FONT]
Stephen

Stephen a simple question for you why is it that all the pro WWJCTB (World wide Jewish conspiracy theorists believers) need minimise and deny the existence of the Holocaust.

Why simply because the last lot of people that believed in the same theory (yes the exact same theory Nazi Germany used) used that same clap trap to justify the murder of millions of Jewish people.
Bluntly put, its a bad look PR wise, So WWJCTB need to put a bit of spin on it.

As evidenced by Katmans assertion that maybe only only thousands of people died and that was only maybe due to disease.
He places different levels of evidence requirements on either side.
To support his assertions a rumour is enough to prove his side.
Where as documents photos witness testimony physical evidence is all never enough to be any sort of proof its laughable


I also don't deny that countless thousands (quite possibly hundreds of thousands) died from the effects of their deprivation.
There seems to be a distinct lack of irrefutable proof to support a story that we've had rammed down our throats for the last 70 years.
And it makes me wonder whether there is an ulterior motive for doing so.
(And your suggestion that simply questioning an unsupported claim equates to anti-Semitism is laughable and demonstrates the complete lack of rationality you bring to the discussion).

Its the same reason Why Oldie can't answer a simple question.
I will give you the same question again as he has still not answered it. despite it being asked of him repeatedly


All dependent upon protection by the myth of anti-Semitism


The myth of anti Semitism?. I would like an explanation of this comment Oldie, is it just a myth were Jews and other religions ever striped of nationality or persecuted or prevented from owning land or had all there assets seized. Was this all really just a myth?

Seems they were treated pretty much like we here in NZ treated the Chinese in the goldrush.
There is also strong parallels with how the Australian aborigines were also treated.
The treatment of the American Indians seems eerily similar also.
This is not even comparing the treatment of the Black South Africans.
Or the white Zimbabwean's or the native Zimbabwean's a hundred or so years prior to this.

[Brian d marge]

Stephen a simple question for you why is it that all the pro WWJCTB (World wide Jewish conspiracy theorists believers) need minimise and deny the existence of the Holocaust.

Why simply because the last lot of people that believed in the same theory (yes the exact same theory Nazi Germany used) used that same clap trap to justify the murder of millions of Jewish people.
Bluntly put, its a bad look PR wise, So WWJCTB need to put a bit of spin on it.

As evidenced by Katmans assertion that maybe only tens of thousands of people died and that was only maybe due to disease.
May very well be true
But I think there are 2 many un answered questions
Or questions for that matter
And even the simple numbers dont stack up

All ive done is raise a few questions what u do with them is your matter

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[husaberg]

May very well be true
But I think there are 2 many un answered questions
Or questions for that matter
And even the simple numbers dont stack up

All ive done is raise a few questions what u do with them is your matter

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You have yet to raise anything that proves what occurred did not.
Its pretty simply a fact that has been proven in court multiple times. Feel free to prove it did not occur with evidence rather than innuendo.

[Brian d marge]

You really haven't done any reading, have you?

And I think it's you who doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'irrefutable'.

The very fact that many historians and learned scholars do actually refute the evidence you've listed indicates that it is certainly not 'irrefutable'.
I also think that is the case

Based on my experience a single body of similar sze and wieght took 20 min
Quick calc i got 160 000

Three min on google i found a red cross document showing a figure of 275 000

Then when shown the document . . Oh yes but . .

I will dig deeper because if any money is invovled the same names should appesr
Hahaha

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[TheDemonLord]

You really haven't done any reading, have you?

And I think it's you who doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'irrefutable'.

The very fact that many historians and learned scholars do actually refute the evidence you've listed indicates that it is certainly not 'irrefutable'.

On the Contrary - I have presented my Evidence, Present yours to refute that which I have presented.

In fact, don't bother - Go to Birkenau, Go visit the Gas chambers (They are still there) Go see the Scratches in the walls, Go see the Staining on the walls from the ZyklonB

Once you have done that, you will need to present a Theory that can explain all of things that you have witnessed AND you will need to provide evidence to support your alternate theory AND you will need to present evidence that refutes the currently held theory.

It was a shame that when I was last in Germany I didn't get a chance to go to the concentration camps and see the ruins.

[mashman]

I form opinions based on weight of evidence, not on one or two easily explainable co-incidences, I don't go looking into a subject assuming I know there is a conspiracy.
I find it funny what you say, Simply because it is clearly made without examining what it is you are indoctrinated with.
You hassle a few on KB about religion totally oblivious to the fact your own religion is conspiracy

History is a great teacher you just need to observe what and why events occurred.
I have yet to see a single fact to support any argument you have ever raised on KB conversely you ignore all facts presented to you, why because they don't suit your argument, Simply Mashy you can't win an discussion with any reasonable person based on your opinion backed by your opinion reinforced by your own opinion.
When you have no facts offer no evidence. you will gain the support of like minded people who like you need to believe events did not occur.

I'm indoctrinated in both worlds... as I understand the position of both sides of the argument. Evidence is what is presented outcome for our pallet gets the big tickaroony in regards to taking a side.
Hassle :killingme... each to his own.

It's a shit teacher.
You choose not to see my side of the argument until I have seen yours. I have lived your side of the argument, I decided to see what the other side was like too in order to form a more balanced opinion, yet you remain mentally inelastic and point blank refuse to budge from your position. I'm not looking to win anything :facepalm: There is no such thing as a like minded human! See, your base psychology is fucked from the get go because of the singular indoctrinated position you have chosen to take. Meh.

[Brian d marge]

You have yet to raise anything that proves what occurred did not.
Its pretty simply a fact that has been proven in court multiple times. Feel free to prove it did not occur with evidence rather than innuendo.
At whst point did i say that it did not occur
A tragedy occured caused by both sides but I THINK is being milked by a small group
Kinda like 9 11 to many hang on a miniutes



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[TheDemonLord]

I also think that is the case

Based on my experience a single body of similar sze and wieght took 20 min
Quick calc i got 160 000

Three min on google i found a red cross document showing a figure of 275 000

Then when shown the document . . Oh yes but . .

I will dig deeper because if any money is invovled the same names should appesr
Hahaha

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I pointed out the holes in your Calculations - but keep setting up those Strawmen.

Your arguement is as fallacious as saying 'It takes me an Hour to bake a loaf of Bread at home, so there is no way a bakery could bake 100 loaves a day, there isn't 100 hours in a day.

I will re-look at the Red Cross document, but I noticed something - it is written in German - Sprechen sie Deutsch?

[Katman]

On the Contrary - I have presented my Evidence, Present yours to refute that which I have presented.

In fact, don't bother - Go to Birkenau, Go visit the Gas chambers (They are still there) Go see the Scratches in the walls, Go see the Staining on the walls from the ZyklonB

Once you have done that, you will need to present a Theory that can explain all of things that you have witnessed AND you will need to provide evidence to support your alternate theory AND you will need to present evidence that refutes the currently held theory.

It was a shame that when I was last in Germany I didn't get a chance to go to the concentration camps and see the ruins.

I've been to Dachau.

It is certainly not disputed that each Concentration Camp had rooms suitable for fumigation purposes.

"Scratches on the walls"? Please. :facepalm:

Can you state with 100% absolute certainty that they were made by dying Jews?

They could just as easily have been created by some other means or at a later date.

[Brian d marge]

I pointed out the holes in your Calculations - but keep setting up those Strawmen.

Your arguement is as fallacious as saying 'It takes me an Hour to bake a loaf of Bread at home, so there is no way a bakery could bake 100 loaves a day, there isn't 100 hours in a day.

I will re-look at the Red Cross document, but I noticed something - it is written in German - Sprechen sie Deutsch?
My simple argument raised a question the later seemed to be supported
At this point one might be going hmmmmm why is that

Heres another hmmmm according to thr jewish press 90 percent of jews in poland were killed
A simple before and after head count should tell us something

Red cross should have those figures

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[TheDemonLord]

My simple argument raised a question the later seemed to be supported
At this point one might be going hmmmmm why is that

Heres another hmmmm according to thr jewish press 90 percent of jews in poland were killed
A simple before and after head count should tell us something

Red cross should have those figures

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Stop dodging the burden of Proof - Either submit your sources for Peer Review or stop making Baseless Claims.

[bogan]

True , People have told you this before , I have said it a few posts back .... ITS NOT THE WIDER GROUP PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT ..... see post 1



See post 1 and if you knew anything about them you wouldnt have ask the second part of your question ..... is there any part of .... SEE POST 1 ,,,,, that you dont understand , with my shit writing and all ...



I dont think you understand Zionism or the Zionist movement ...SEE POST 1



The same testimony that were later found to be false ...but I will answer this in detail for demonlord



SEE post 1 , ( me and mashie disagree on units of trade , nowt to do with this conversation)



WTF are you reading , See post 1 and then look up socialism .....



I posted rather badly as I was eating Sushi in a conveyer sushi bar using a phone .... Ill edit it later



ff sake see post 1 are you seriously saying Zionism is a movenment for ( the ) good ?


yes I tried ....but Fail.org.com



because you seem not to know what you are talking about ...see the above text ....



Is it clear now ?

Zionism ( or the people that are using it for there agenda ) bad fairy haters
just to clarify ..........

re-quoting your first point

What I am reading about though? You made vague-ish claims that perhaps I would dislike Jews if I read about how much things they own? Is that where I start?

No, Zionism is where u should start

Stephen


Post 1 is about the GCSB, not sure how that ties in with zionism.

Why do you go to such lengths to avoid unambiguously stating your position? You keep telling me I'm wrong, how about showing it? instead of using this beige fucking go-an-read-some-more cop out.

Simple questions, do you think zionism is evil? do you think all zionists are bad people?

[TheDemonLord]

I've been to Dachau.

It is certainly not disputed that each Concentration Camp had rooms suitable for fumigation purposes.

"Scratches on the walls"? Please. :facepalm:

Can you state with 100% absolute certainty that they were made by dying Jews?

They could just as easily have been created by some other means or at a later date.

https://furtherglory.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/nailmarks2.jpg

Here they are - If not the dieing struggles of people then What? And again, Submit the supporting Evidence for said Theory.

[Katman]

Here they are - If not the dieing struggles of people then What? And again, Submit the supporting Evidence for said Theory.

:facepalm:

Your argument consists of nothing more than "someone told me these marks were made by dying Jews so that's what they must be".

[Brian d marge]

Post 1 is about the GCSB, not sure how that ties in with zionism.

Why do you go to such lengths to avoid unambiguously stating your position? You keep telling me I'm wrong, how about showing it? instead of using this beige fucking go-an-read-some-more cop out.

Simple questions, do you think zionism is evil? do you think all zionists are bad people?
Post1 is not about gcsb I not sure which post one you are reading

Try the big black letters at the bottom


Finally
Yes and then no

The the last 2 questions

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[bogan]

Post1 is not about gcsb I not sure which post one you are reading

Try the big black letters at the bottom


Finally
Yes and then no

The the last 2 questions

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Post 1, as in the first post in the thread.

So if all zionists are not bad people, why does it matter if they are a zionist or not?

[Brian d marge]

Stop dodging the burden of Proof - Either submit your sources for Peer Review or stop making Baseless Claims.
Havent made any claims
I just raised the point that you could be wrong
Simple
And it wasnt difficult to do
which then raised the issue of you may not know what your talking about




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[Brian d marge]

Post 1, as in the first post in the thread.

So if all zionists are not bad people, why does it matter if they are a zionist or not?
I simply dont know what to say


Yes to the second question

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[bogan]

I simply dont know what to say


Yes to the second question

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We've noticed.

Yes is not an acceptable answer to a question of 'why'.

[TheDemonLord]

Havent made any claims
I just raised the point that you could be wrong
Simple
And it wasnt difficult to do
which then raised the issue of you may not know what your talking about




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let me make it Clear:

Saying this:


I just raised the point that you could be wrong

That is a Claim.

It was made without Evidence.

[Katman]

I simply dont know what to say


You may be confusing this thread with the 'USA and Israel' one.

[Brian d marge]

let me make it Clear:

Saying this:



That is a Claim.

It was made without Evidence.
No its not
And i even gave you the quote the ss guard said a direct quote with reference

Your wasting both mine and your time

Try harder

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[Brian d marge]

You may be confusing this thread with the 'USA and Israel' one.
No I was lost for words

As simple as that

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[Brian d marge]

We've noticed.

Yes is not an acceptable answer to a question of 'why'.
True but all other methods have failed

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[bogan]

True but all other methods have failed

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Not all, not by a long shot.


That is a Claim.

It was made without Evidence.

[TheDemonLord]

:facepalm:

Your argument consists of nothing more than "someone told me these marks were made by dying Jews so that's what they must be".

BTW - Thanks for the positive Rep, It makes a change from your usual Tactic....

Okay.

What else could they be?

Could they be caused by an Industrial or Construction process? No, otherwise we would see marks like these on other concrete structures
Could they be caused by decay or the ravages of Time? No, otherwise we would see marks like these on other Concrete structures that are left over from World War 2
Could they be caused by Day-to-day usage of the structure? No, assuming that the structure isn't a Gas Chamber and has an innocent purpose - we would expect to see similar marks in similar structures as a result of day-to-day usage - we don't
Could they be caused by Animals? No, Animals don't care unless there is something to gain (food, Shelter etc.) or they are marking territory - yet the only animals of a big enough size to scratch in concrete don't live in Germany any more and if it were marking territory, we would expect to see them at a consistent height

The theory that they are made by the dieing, desperate people trying to escape their fate, when backed up with the other evidence (you know, all that Evidence that you haven't refuted yet) makes it the most plausible explanation.

However, if you have a competing theory - let me know your theory and submit your supporting evidence.

So Katman - what else could it be?

[TheDemonLord]

No its not
And i even gave you the quote the ss guard said a direct quote with reference

Your wasting both mine and your time

Try harder

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You gave a conflicting viewpoint - That is a Claim.

Claims require EVIDENCE, of which you presented none when making your Claim.

[Katman]

So Katman - what else could it be?

Could they perhaps have been put there to support a story?

[Brian d marge]

BTW - Thanks for the positive Rep, It makes a change from your usual Tactic....

Okay.

What else could they be?

Could they be caused by an Industrial or Construction process? No, otherwise we would see marks like these on other concrete structures
Could they be caused by decay or the ravages of Time? No, otherwise we would see marks like these on other Concrete structures that are left over from World War 2
Could they be caused by Day-to-day usage of the structure? No, assuming that the structure isn't a Gas Chamber and has an innocent purpose - we would expect to see similar marks in similar structures as a result of day-to-day usage - we don't
Could they be caused by Animals? No, Animals don't care unless there is something to gain (food, Shelter etc.) or they are marking territory - yet the only animals of a big enough size to scratch in concrete don't live in Germany any more and if it were marking territory, we would expect to see them at a consistent height

The theory that they are made by the dieing, desperate people trying to escape their fate, when backed up with the other evidence (you know, all that Evidence that you haven't refuted yet) makes it the most plausible explanation.

However, if you have a competing theory - let me know your theory and submit your supporting evidence.

So Katman - what else could it be?
We do have peer review evidence for this do we not?

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[TheDemonLord]

Could they perhaps have been put there to support a story?

So - Your evidence for denying the Holocaust is the Jewish Conspiracy Theory.
One of the Key points of your Jewish Conspiracy theory is downplaying the Holocaust.

Can you say Circular reasoning?

[TheDemonLord]

We do have peer review evidence for this do we not?

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Peer review requires you to submit your evidence to be reviewed - something so far you have been reluctant to do.

[FJRider]

Peer review requires you to submit your evidence to be reviewed - something so far you have been reluctant to do.

What evidence have YOU submitted to substantiate your viewpoint .. ?? ;)

[TheDemonLord]

What evidence have YOU submitted to substantiate your viewpoint .. ?? ;)

See post: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/158073-The-fascist-regime-that-made-you-a-moron-Thanks-dJonkey?p=1130881592#post1130881592

For where I submitted the evidence used to confirm the number of 6 million

and here:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/158073-The-fascist-regime-that-made-you-a-moron-Thanks-dJonkey?p=1130881664#post1130881664

And here:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/158073-The-fascist-regime-that-made-you-a-moron-Thanks-dJonkey?p=1130881685#post1130881685

Although admitedly the latter is simply stating the sources that we have available as opposed to posting the actual sources up.

[husaberg]

I'm indoctrinated in both worlds... as I understand the position of both sides of the argument. Evidence is what is presented outcome for our pallet gets the big tickaroony in regards to taking a side.
Hassle :killingme... each to his own.

It's a shit teacher.
You choose not to see my side of the argument until I have seen yours. I have lived your side of the argument, I decided to see what the other side was like too in order to form a more balanced opinion, yet you remain mentally inelastic and point blank refuse to budge from your position. I'm not looking to win anything :facepalm: There is no such thing as a like minded human! See, your base psychology is fucked from the get go because of the singular indoctrinated position you have chosen to take. Meh.

You have no evidence to support you stance, that's the problem you have, ergo to people that are intelligent that is not a balanced opinion.
It the world of the conspiracy theorist though, that is not an issue.


At whst point did i say that it did not occur
A tragedy occured caused by both sides but I THINK is being milked by a small group
Kinda like 9 11 to many hang on a miniutes



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Milking is one thing reinventing history is another.
Funny enough pretty much all those that claim it never happened also think the 911 was also a Jewish conspiracy.


Still waiting on Olde''s explanation


All dependent upon protection by the myth of anti-Semitism


The myth of anti Semitism?. I would like an explanation of this comment Oldie, is it just a myth were Jews and other religions ever striped of nationality or persecuted or prevented from owning land or had all there assets seized. Was this all really just a myth?

Seems they were treated pretty much like we here in NZ treated the Chinese in the goldrush.
There is also strong parallels with how the Australian aborigines were also treated.
The treatment of the American Indians seems eerily similar also.
This is not even comparing the treatment of the Black South Africans.
Or the white Zimbabwean's or the native Zimbabwean's a hundred or so years prior to this.

[FJRider]

So ... you base your evidence on (unsubstantiated) in court statements by a murder accused. An accused that cannot (or wont) give accurate numbers. Hearsay I think it is called.

Wiki' has never been seen as total fact either ...

"Eyewitness" accounts outside a court of law ... usually have little credence ... if a precieved "Axe to grind" exists ...

[husaberg]

So ... you base your evidence on (unsubstantiated) in court statements by a murder accused. An accused that cannot (or wont) give accurate numbers. Hearsay I think it is called.

Wiki' has never been seen as total fact either ...

"Eyewitness" accounts outside a court of law ... usually have little credence ... if a precieved "Axe to grind" exists ...

FJ it has been proven to have occurred, feel free to produce evidence that it has not occurred or feel free to prove what is bloody apparent by simply posting rhetoric

[FJRider]

FJ it has been proven to have occurred, feel free to produce evidence that it has not occurred or feel free to prove what is bloody apparent by simply posting rhetoric

I never doubted that it occured ... but the degree to which it occured ... is yet to be proved by that member.


War does provide oppurtunity for those in a position to meet their own agenda ... to do so. It still happens in this day and age.


Is/was it worse then ... or now .. ??

[husaberg]

I never doubted that it occured ... but the degree to which it occured ... is yet to be proved by that member.


War does provide oppurtunity for those in a position to meet their own agenda ... to do so. It still happens in this day and age.


Is/was it worse then ... or now .. ??

well lets just say this how many million people does it take what is the evidence you need to see.

[Katman]

For where I submitted the evidence used to confirm the number of 6 million.

Why do you keep posting pictures of piles of bodies that have clearly died of starvation and disease and which offer no proof of the gassing of millions?

[TheDemonLord]

Wiki' has never been seen as total fact either ...

"Eyewitness" accounts outside a court of law ... usually have little credence ... if a precieved "Axe to grind" exists ...

2 Things here:

1: You do agree though that I provided evidence for my claim - Correct?
2: Eye witnesses are still a source of Evidence, certainly if other evidence contradicts or invalidates the testimony, then it may be dismissed. If the other evidence supports the testimony, it may be validated as a true and accurate version of events.

[husaberg]

Why do you keep posting pictures of piles of bodies that have clearly died of starvation and disease and which offer no proof of the gassing of millions?

He probably forgot you were a WW2 medical expert telepathist.
Tell us more about the dancing Jews from 911.
Show us all some evidence of anything accept your gullibility for a conspiracy theory.

[TheDemonLord]

Why do you keep posting pictures of piles of bodies that have clearly died of starvation and disease and which offer no proof of the gassing of millions?

Did you miss the part about the chemical stains from Cyanide/Zyklon B in the Gas Chambers?

And anyway Did you perform an Autopsy on those Bodies? What Proof do you have that the ones I posted died of disease or Starvation?

Bearing in mind that the pictures I posted were used as evidence that not all of the 6 million were Cremated, so the argument that it is impossible to have cremated 6 million Jews is demonstrably false

[mashman]

You have no evidence to support you stance, that's the problem you have, ergo to people that are intelligent that is not a balanced opinion.
It the world of the conspiracy theorist though, that is not an issue.

Of course I have evidence. It's growing around the world as we speak. Just coz you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening for extra bonus points.
How the fuck would you know if you don't know that world?

[Katman]

He probably forgot you were a WW2 medical expert telepathist.


Are you seriously telling us that those bodies look like victims of gassing to you?

[TheDemonLord]

Are you seriously telling us that those bodies look like victims of gassing to you?

Because no one that was emaciated could be shot/gassed/strangled/hung/drowned right?

[Katman]

Did you miss the part about the chemical stains from Cyanide/Zyklon B in the Gas Chambers?

Did you miss the part about fumigation chambers?

[FJRider]

well lets just say this how many million people does it take what is the evidence you need to see.

Does it matter if the millions of deaths are "In the course or war" ... or the "Whim" of those (one) in power ... ???

[husaberg]

Are you seriously telling us that those bodies look like victims of gassing to you?

Are you seriously asking me to form an opinion on how someone died from a photo. Bearing in mind that even though have experience with Cyanide poisoning I think it would be pretty stupid to think anyone could with any degree of certainty.

Other than you of course, just add them to the Katman total what was it again maybe only tens of thousands that died of disease and malnourishment anyway.

[husaberg]

Does it matter if the millions of deaths are "In the course or war" ... or the "Whim" of those (one) in power ... ???

It does when 70 years later a few idiots try to make out it never occurred.

[Katman]

Because no one that was emaciated could be shot/gassed/strangled/hung/drowned right?

So you think the Germans said "see all those emaciated people who look like they're about to die, we're going to round them up and gas them to death - and then leave them there for the victors to photograph"?

[husaberg]

So you think the Germans said "see all those emaciated people who look like they're about to die, we're going to round them up and gas them to death"?


Of course I have evidence. It's growing around the world as we speak. Just coz you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening for extra bonus points.
How the fuck would you know if you don't know that world?

I was talking actual tangible evidence. I can see why that question might confuse you a bit but feel free to show us all.

[TheDemonLord]

Did you miss the part about fumigation chambers?

Okay then - Submit your Evidence that was a fumigation chamber.

[husaberg]

So you think the Germans said "see all those emaciated people who look like they're about to die, we're going to round them up and gas them to death"?

Do you really think the sick and diseased and those unable to work were not gassed as well as the women and children and old people.
Yeah the Germans were far more likely to let them linger around take up space and eat food.

[FJRider]

2 Things here:

1: You do agree though that I provided evidence for my claim - Correct?
2: Eye witnesses are still a source of Evidence, certainly if other evidence contradicts or invalidates the testimony, then it may be dismissed. If the other evidence supports the testimony, it may be validated as a true and accurate version of events.

!. NO

2. Eyewitnesses in a Court of law can be expected to not be be forthcoming with actual fact.

Supports testimony ... does not prove testimony.

Your own use of the word may speaks volumes ...

[Brian d marge]

Peer review requires you to submit your evidence to be reviewed - something so far you have been reluctant to do.
Pot kettle me thinks

Stand by for some more . . .tis mighty intersting reading

So far your peer review highly quantifiable evidence seem to be akin to a chocoholic in a sweet shop denying that chocolate could be bad for you

Just been reading a. About yale and b. About that woman author

And if those are some of your sources . . . .you might need to have another look

Unless you have ya white cane in which case i appologise in advance

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[Brian d marge]

What evidence have YOU submitted to substantiate your viewpoint .. ?? ;)
He did . , . But
But see my reply above .




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[mashman]

I was talking actual tangible evidence. I can see why that question might confuse you a bit but feel free to show us all.

That you don't know my position is concerning when thrown into the context you changed it to. :yawn:

[FJRider]

It does when 70 years later a few idiots try to make out it never occurred.

Millions died in Aisa/Africa/Gulf states ... and forgotten after their time allowed for on tv ... expires.

Is it not important that they be remembered too .. ???

[husaberg]

Millions died in Aisa/Africa/Gulf states ... and forgotten after their time allowed for on tv ... expires.

Is it not important that they be remembered too .. ???

Yeah but is there people claiming here it never happened? because they are to uncomfortable to have to admit why it happened.

[Katman]

Do you really think the sick and diseased and those unable to work were not gassed as well as the women and children and old people.
Yeah the Germans were far more likely to let them linger around take up space and eat food.

Ok, I'll spell it out for you.

Those bodies are from the clean-up of the liberated camps of those dead from disease and starvation. They do not show bodies dead from gassing.

[husaberg]

That you don't know my position is concerning when thrown into the context you changed it to. :yawn:

Your position has been made clear by you in other posts and anytime you are asked to show what evidence you have, or to read anything you don't want to you burry your head in the sand and go LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALAL.
So your position is pale winging pom with his Bum in the Air:msn-wink:

[puddytat]

Yeah but is there people claiming here it never happened? because they are to uncomfortable to have to admit why it happened.

Sounds a lot like the Climate Change problem....

[Brian d marge]

Sounds a lot like the Climate Change problem....
Solar flares caused by jewish zionists

Next

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[TheDemonLord]

So you think the Germans said "see all those emaciated people who look like they're about to die, we're going to round them up and gas them to death - and then leave them there for the victors to photograph"?

Yes.

Those deemed fit for work were sparred. The rest were sent to the Gas Chambers.

Sources:

http://time.com/3684757/the-selection-at-auschwitz/

(which you will no doubt dismiss)

http://www.amazon.com/Auschwitz-New-History-Laurence-Rees/dp/1586483579
Which has 100+ original Interviews

And from the man that ran the camp:

http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1946Hoess.html

Here is a rather relevant excerpt:


2. I have been constantly associated with the administration of concentration camps since 1934, serving at Dachau until 1938; then as Adjutant in Sachsenhausen from 1938 to 1 May, 1940, when I was appointed Commandant of Auschwitz. l commanded Auschwitz until 1 December,1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease, making a total dead of about 3,000,000. This figure represents about 70% or 80% of all persons sent to Auschwitz as prisoners, the remainder having been selected and used for slave labor in the concentration camp industries. Included among the executed and burnt were approximately 20,000 Russian prisoners of war (previously screened out of Prisoner of War cages by the Gestapo) who were delivered at Auschwitz in Wehrmacht transports operated by regular Wehrmacht officers and men. The remainder of the total number of victims included about 100,000 German Jews, and great numbers of citizens (mostly Jewish) from Holland, France, Belgium, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Greece, or other countries. We executed about 400,000 Hungarian Jews alone at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944.

4. Mass executions by gassing commenced during the summer 1941 and continued until fall 1944.1 personally supervised executions at Auschwitz until the first of December 1943 and know by reason of my continued duties in the Inspectorate of Concentration Camps WVHA2 that these mass executions continued as stated above. All mass executions by gassing took place under the direct order, supervision and responsibility of RSHA.31 received all orders for carrying out these mass executions directly from RSHA.

[FJRider]

Yeah but is there people claiming here it never happened? because they are to uncomfortable to have to admit why it happened.

Why it happened ...

Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. An observation exists that a person's sense of morality lessens as his or her power increases.


Regardless of if it's the death of millions ... or the pulling of a pig-tail. If you can believe you have a right to do so ... who has the right to stop you ... can stop you ... ???

[Katman]

And there is evidence that many statements and confessions used in the Nuremberg Trials were obtained by means of torture.

[TheDemonLord]

Pot kettle me thinks

Stand by for some more . . .tis mighty intersting reading

So far your peer review highly quantifiable evidence seem to be akin to a chocoholic in a sweet shop denying that chocolate could be bad for you

Just been reading a. About yale and b. About that woman author

And if those are some of your sources . . . .you might need to have another look

Unless you have ya white cane in which case i appologise in advance

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I have posted my sources. We can absolutley have a discussion about whether they are credible or not (in the spirit of Peer Review).

Have you posted yours?

[TheDemonLord]

And there is evidence that many statements and confessions used in the Nuremberg Trials were obtained by means of torture.

Evidence for your claim please.

[Brian d marge]

Yes.

Those deemed fit for work were sparred. The rest were sent to the Gas Chambers.

Sources:

http://time.com/3684757/the-selection-at-auschwitz/

(which you will no doubt dismiss)

http://www.amazon.com/Auschwitz-New-History-Laurence-Rees/dp/1586483579
Which has 100+ original Interviews

And from the man that ran the camp:

http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1946Hoess.html

Here is a rather relevant excerpt:
3 000 000 at one camp
Not work for the other then

And he used the word estimate . . .could have been 6 mill

But then he was there wasnt he and had no incentive to raise the figures at all

This thread just keeps givin

When I get home I will forfill your desire

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[husaberg]

And there is evidence that many statements and confessions used in the Nuremberg Trials were obtained by means of torture.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html

Bummer for them, torture aye shit fuck naughty them.
Imagine using torture. oh the humanity.
In case you don't get it who used the most torture on the greatest scale of the two parties.............
Did they used torture to make the documents and the physical evidence.

[TheDemonLord]

3 000 000 at one camp
Not work for the other then

And he used the word estimate . . .could have been 6 mill

But then he was there wasnt he and had no incentive to raise the figures at all

This thread just keeps givin

When I get home I will forfill your desire

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6 Million Jews, is not the sum total of people killed in the holocaust. There were gypsys, Romanis, other undesirables

[Brian d marge]

Bummer for them, torture aye shit fuck naughty them.
Imagine using torture. oh the humanity.
In case you don't get it who used the most torture.............
My wife been cooking again . Sorry bout that

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[Katman]

Evidence for your claim please.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html

https://www.radioislam.org/historia/really/05.htm

[oldrider]

Information that may or may not be pertinent to this thread.

Notes on the Canadian Zundel trials (1985 and 1988): http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p417_Faurisson.html

Video clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbBWIx1AhAU

[Brian d marge]

6 Million Jews, is not the sum total of people killed in the holocaust. There were gypsys, Romanis, other undesirables
No it was 11 mil 9 mil were jewish of which 2/3 were killed . . 2/3 of 9 is um 6
Of which according to u 3 mill went at one camp

Someones telling porkies

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[husaberg]

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html

https://www.radioislam.org/historia/really/05.htm

Katman that is not evidence.
That fact you think it is says a lot about your ability to read.
Why would an innocent man change his identity and hide.

Then again I guess the tapes of the prisoners talking to each other were made under duress as well.


Details of the Holocaust

The transcripts contain comprehensive details about the exterminations, including the mass shootings, the killings with carbon monoxide in specially prepared trucks, and the later disinterment and incineration of the bodies as part of "Operation 1005," with which the SS sought to eliminate the traces of the Holocaust starting in 1943.

Hardly any soldier says that he was directly involved, but many talk about what they saw or heard. The accounts are often astonishingly detailed and, in any case, much more precise than the information German investigators could later glean from witness testimony. In April 1945, Major General Walter Bruns describes what happened during a typical "Jew operation" he witnessed.

Bruns: "The trenches were 24 meters long and about 3 meters wide. They had to lie down like sardines in a can, with their heads toward the middle. At the top, there were six marksmen with submachine guns who then shot them in the back of the neck. It was already full when I arrived, so the ones who were still alive had to lie on top, and then they got shot. They had to lie there in neat layers so that it wouldn't take up too much space. Before this happened, they had to turn in their valuables at another station. The edge of the forest was here, and in here there were the three trenches on that Sunday, and here there was a line that stretched for one-and-a-half kilometers, and it was moving very slowly. They were standing in line to be killed. When they got closer, they could see what was going on inside. Roughly at this spot, they had to hand over their jewelry and their suitcases. A little farther along, they had to take off their clothes, all except their shirts and underpants. It was just women and little children, like two-year-olds."

Of the around 6 million victims of the Holocaust, no more than half died in the death camps. About 3 million people died in the ghettoes or were killed by hand, often by a shot to the back of the neck, which made it necessary to create special firing squads. In principle, soldiers in the Wehrmacht were exempt from performing these tasks, which were handled by special SS units and police battalions.

No Attempt to Keep It Secret

Many of the reports revolve around the unreasonable demands imposed on the marksmen, the monotony of the work, in which the firing squads had to be relieved every few hours "because of overexertion," and the special challenges of this type of piecework. The shooting of small children was seen as problematic, not for ethical reasons but because they wouldn't stand as still as the adults did.

Many Wehrmacht soldiers became witnesses to the Holocaust because they happened to be present or were invited to take part in a mass shooting. In one cell conversation, army General Edwin Graf von Rothkirch und Trach talks about his time in the Polish town of Kutno:

"I knew an SS leader pretty well, and we talked about this and that, and one day he said: 'Listen, if you ever want to film one of these shootings? …I mean, it doesn't really matter. These people are always shot in the morning. If you're interested, we still have a few left over, and we could also shoot them in the afternoon if you like."

It takes some sense of routine to be able to make such an offer. The fact that the people involved did not try to keep their activities a secret demonstrates how much the perpetrators took for granted the "mass shootings of Jews," as one of the POWs in Trent Park called it. In fact, something resembling execution tourism developed in the conquered territories. In addition to soldiers who were stationed nearby, local residents also came to witness the killings, sometimes even bringing along their children.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/rape-murder-and-genocide-nazi-war-crimes-as-described-by-german-soldiers-a-755385-5.html

[Katman]

The thing I find most incredible is that even though there have been people questioning the story right from day one it took till only about 6 months ago for me to even realise that there are people who question the Holocaust story.

How's that for successful spin-doctoring.

[husaberg]

The thing I find most incredible is that even though there have been people questioning the story right from day one it took till only about 6 months ago for me to even realise that there are people who question the Holocaust story.

How's that for successful spin-doctoring.

What I find incredible is you actually do believe you have any credibility at all.
You should write a book about holocaust "how it never happened, Its Just a fucking moronic conspiracy" by Steve White

[TheDemonLord]

And there is evidence that many statements and confessions used in the Nuremberg Trials were obtained by means of torture.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html

Well Fuck Me Sideways!!!!!

A Source is given!!!!

So - lets review your source - as an FYI, I already found that, and it seems to be the only cited source on other sites claiming torture was used - funny that no other evidence is used, just this one.

The Page is an excerpt from a publication written for the organization who owns the site. Nothing like a self-referential source to start with.

Next, we have the Publication - the Journal for historic review - which is a non-peer reviewed publication.
Then we have the site which is primarily a site for Holocaust denial - So we can expect unbiased research, obviously.

But all that is ad hominem and character assassination on my part.

Lets see the evidence cited in the source shall we?

There is an excerpt from the man's memoirs indicating some abuse but also I find this line interesting:


Although the conditions in prison were, in every respect, good -- I read whenever I had the time, and there was a well stocked library available -- the interrogations were extremely unpleasant, not so much physically, but far more because of their strong psychological effect. I cannot really blame the interrogators -- they were all Jews.

It suggests not so much Torture in the physical sense, but the use of psychological pressure. but lets see what else they present, It's not like Hoss had anything to gain by claiming coercion.

Then the source has an Eye Witness testimony on the capture of Hoss - however it sets up a strawman in implying that because physical force was used in the capture, so too must it have been used in the interrogation.

It then details 3 days of sleep deprivation. Which is up for debate whether it is totrure or not:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation#Interrogation

Bearing in mind that the above is all Eye witness testimony and supposedly by Jews (whose evidence you dismiss out of hand)

Finally we have a section form Mark Weber, which I think is the most telling bit:


Thanks to a document that I obtained from American researcher Mark Weber, who gave me a copy of it in Washington in September of 1983 (a document whose exact source I not yet authorized to indicate)

This would be the same Mark Weber who is a noted White Supremecist - but I see a curious similarity between the above "I have done the research and have the evidence, you just can't have it" and those posting in this thread.

so there you have it - A single source riddled with strawmen, from a biased organisation, citing only eye witness accounts that has not been peer reviewed.

You will note in all the sources I provided - I provided 3 separate and independant (and where possible) unbiased sources.

[Katman]

That's wonderful dear.

[Katman]

It suggests not so much Torture in the physical sense, but the use of psychological pressure.

Did you read the comments quoted from Senator McCarthy in the other link?

[TheDemonLord]

Did you read the comments quoted from Senator McCarthy in the other link?

To be honest - no. Because everything you submitted was from biased, disreputable, non-peer reviewed sources. I did you the courtesy of looking at one of your sources and found it to be piss poor (for the reasons stated above)

but anyway - I am growing tired of the circular reasoning, strawmens and non-existant or biased sources, So please post up something worthy of debate or be dismissed as the despicable human beings you are so far making yourselves out to be.

[Katman]

Did you read the comments by Justice Wennerstrum who called into question the integrity of the whole Nuremberg Trials?

(In much the same way that Thomas Keen and Lee Hamilton called into question the integrity of the 9/11 Commission).

[TheDemonLord]

Did you read the comments by Justice Wenersturm who called into question the integrity of the whole Nuremberg Trials?

(In much the same way that Thomas Keen and Lee Hamilton called into question the integrity of the 9/11 Commission).

Did you post something peer reviewed, unbiased and reputable? No?

However - a quick search shows Justice Wennersturm did criticize the Nuremberg trails, but I couldn't find anything reputable to give any details except for his Wiki Page:


'The trials were to have convinced the Germans of the guilt of their leaders,' he said in 1948. 'They convinced the Germans merely that they lost the war to tough conquerors.'

Which was from his Obituary - I couldn't find anything else on any reputable site.

[husaberg]

Did you read the comments by Justice Wenersturm who called into question the integrity of the whole Nuremberg Trials?

(In much the same way that Thomas Keen and Lee Hamilton called into question the integrity of the 9/11 Commission).

Fuck they must be related, so how do we tie in the moon landings and JFK.
Funny how you only see what it is that suits
Remember when anyone shows you trial and hearing results, You so fuck off who cares that proves nothing. and now when a judge says something may have been not right it proves your point...................I just love what a total retarded hypocrite you are. You are epic.;)

[Akzle]

The thing I find most incredible is that even though there have been people questioning the story right from day one it took till only about 6 months ago for me to even realise that there are people who question the Holocaust story.

How's that for successful spin-doctoring.

yw .

[Katman]

However - a quick search shows Justice Wennersturm did criticize the Nuremberg trails, but I couldn't find anything reputable to give any details except for his Wiki Page:


He made his comments in the Chicago Daily Tribune of Feb 23 1948.

Look it up.

[Akzle]

Wiki Page:

- I couldn't find anything else on any reputable site.

:laugh::laugh:

[mashman]

Your position has been made clear by you in other posts and anytime you are asked to show what evidence you have, or to read anything you don't want to you burry your head in the sand and go LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALAL.
So your position is pale winging pom with his Bum in the Air:msn-wink:

You're sadly mistaken boy.
Sweet irony.

And if your evidence is popular opinion... then Katman wins.

[husaberg]

You're sadly mistaken boy.
Sweet irony.

And if your evidence is popular opinion... then Katman wins.

Katman loses that is why he believes everything is a conspiracy. He needs to.
Reminds me of a few others.............

[TheDemonLord]

He made his comments in the Chicago Daily Tribune of Feb 23 1948.

Look it up.

Okay - lets take all his comments at face value

(and since you are too lazy - here is the source http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1948/02/23/page/1/article/nazi-trial-judge-rips-injustice)

Does it prove The Holocaust didn't happen? No.
Does it prove Torture was used to get confessions? No.
Does it prove some giant Jewish Conspiracy? No.

What he says is that the the trial had inherent bias in as the Allies were conducting them and the Allies had won the war, that the prosecution didn't make all the records available to the defense, only those that they themselves submitted as evidence, That some of the lawyers involved in the trial were grandstanding in the hopes of career advancement, That some of the prisoners had been subject to multiple interrogations throughout the duration of their incarceration without legal counsel present, and that finally that there was no formal appeals process.

All of which could be perfectly valid critiques - as I said, lets take them on Face Value, but they still don't prove any of the statements that you have made.

Interesting to note is that the other 2 judges vehemently disagreed with him.

[Katman]

Does it prove Torture was used to get confessions? No.


Have you read the comments from Senator McCarthy yet?

[mashman]

Katman loses that is why he believes everything is a conspiracy. He needs to.
Reminds me of a few others.............

No he doesn't. He seems to be saying that he has reason for doubt, and in some cases there's a fuckload of evidence to show that history has been unduly manipulated in some way, or written based on one "knowledge" set and passed on as a version of history. People died. Millions of them. Lots of 'em more than likely gassed. Lost of 'em from typhus, malnutrition, hunger etc... fuckin shit.
Yeah, some people don't like the idea that history may well have been tampered with by people very capable of doing so at the time. No email trail, very little paperwork, lashings of myth, all potentially with degrees of merit, yet all inherently guesses at what really happened. Claiming conspiracy is a double edged sword if you're unwilling to accept that you're potentially wrong.

[TheDemonLord]

Have you read the comments from Senator McCarthy yet?

As I said before, No.

Every source you have submitted either has more holes than a sieve or doesn't actually support any of the claims you make. And I grow tired of having to search for the sources you allude to.

If you want me to read something - present the quote with the relevant source - $5 and a packet of Crisps says it won't be with code the website is written in.

[Katman]

If you want me to read something - present the quote with the relevant source - $5 and a packet of Crisps says it won't be with code the website is written in.

Did you go to the same university of laziness that Bogan did?

[TheDemonLord]

Did you go to the same university of laziness that Bogan did?

I must have, and Graduated with Honours (except for all those times I supplied the evidence for my position and cited a reputable, unbiased and peer reviewed source for them - it would have been much easier just to use the Jewish resources as they came up first)

Hows your Doctorate in 'Confusing Skepticism with blind faith-based denials of any evidence that contradicts your bigoted views whilst using Circular logic, strawmen and accepting as truth any fallacious drivel that supports your bigoted views' working out for you?

Surely you must be coming up to be Nominated as a Tenured professor in this field at the University of Redneck, Yeehaa and White Supremacy

[Katman]

Ah well, if you're interested enough you'll look for it.

If you're not interested enough.....who gives a fuck?

The world will continue to turn.

[bogan]

Did you go to the same university of laziness that Bogan did?

Same uni of enlightened awesomeness more like. Evidence based conclusions are just the logical way to go. It's why society as a whole tends to shun you foolish conspiracy nutters.

[husaberg]

No he doesn't. He seems to be saying that he has reason for doubt, and in some cases there's a fuckload of evidence to show that history has been unduly manipulated in some way, or written based on one "knowledge" set and passed on as a version of history. People died. Millions of them. Lots of 'em more than likely gassed. Lost of 'em from typhus, malnutrition, hunger etc... fuckin shit.
Yeah, some people don't like the idea that history may well have been tampered with by people very capable of doing so at the time. No email trail, very little paperwork, lashings of myth, all potentially with degrees of merit, yet all inherently guesses at what really happened. Claiming conspiracy is a double edged sword if you're unwilling to accept that you're potentially wrong.

Well I have seen the records (well what's left of them) 2/3 of fuck all died from typhus at Auschwitz. Millions arrived by train most of those trainloads of people never made the official camp records. why is this............ f-all left the camp alive.
Some people only see what they want too, what is convenient.
Katman only believes in conspiracies. He needs them. Hense his "well maybe 10 of thousands" may have died statement.
The burden of proof lies with those trying to disprove history, the denial camp his huge on rhetoric slim on any actual evidence as can been seen here by a total lack of any evidence at all.
History is not proven by Katman's gut feeling.

[Brian d marge]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/11/d0514340755579004617f7ad7edd2d99.jpg
And
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/11/62068744ea238d06cabbc2398f2664dd.jpg

Oh noes using a well and trusted jewish almanac
We find the population went down by 2/5th of fk all . . But hang werent 90 % wiped out 6 mill at least

More hang on . Something need chips to go with this fishy

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[Brian d marge]

Ah well, if you're interested enough you'll look for it.

If you're not interested enough.....who gives a fuck?

The world will continue to turn.
And thats about it

Right there . . .

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[husaberg]

And thats about it

Right there . . .

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Only a wee problem


The University of Alberta library has the World Almanac issues for the pertinent period for 1941, 1944, 1947, 1948, and 1949. The figures listed for total world Jewish population are as follows:

1941 15,748,091
1944 15,192,089
1947 15,688,259
1948 15,688,259
1949 11,266,600

Now you may be wondering what happened to all those Jews in 1948-49. No fresh estimates were made between 1938 and 1947. The figures listed for 1941, 1947, and 1948 are identified as estimates made in 1938. The source for the estimate for 1944 is not given, and the numbers are listed differently than in other years. In 1944, the numbers are given as a part of a list of various world religions rather than standing on their own with a country-by-country breakdown as in the other years.

Only in 1949 are postwar estimates employed, the figures given are for estimates made in 1948. A year or two lag seems to be common for various other population estimates given by the World Almanac.

The difference between the 1938 and 1948 figures is thus 4,481,491.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/worldalmanac.html



The Times later explained that their data had come from the 1948 World Almanac in this letter to Morris Kominsky from the author of the piece:

"Dear Mr. Kominsky,
"Thank you for your letter of inquiry of January 6.
"The world Jewish population figures printed in this
story came from the 1948 edition of the World Almanac.
Later we checked it with the American Jewish Committee and
other sources and said in the correction, as I noted to you
in my previous letter, that the authorities agree that
Hitler's wholesale massacre of Jews during the war reduced
the Jewish population to perhaps 12 million today (2/26/48).
"If Mr. Freedman met with me I do not remember it.
The problem is of course, that you are talking about events
that took place 19 years ago. I see hundreds of people per
year, many of them only for a few minutes so I could not
swear that I did not see Mr. Freedman but if I did it made
no impression either upon me or upon my assistant.
"I do not know what Mr. Freedman means by examination
of documents but to my knowledge we had no particular
documents bearing on the issue in question.
"I hope this answers your questions; if there is
anything else you wish to know please do not hesitate to
write again.
"Sincerely, Hanson W. Baldwin (Military Editor)"
That's right bummer for you.


"On February 22, 1948, the New York Times published
figures taken from their 1947 secret census indicating
a minimum of 16,150,000 and a maximum of 19,200,000
so-called "Jews" in the world for 1947. Through the
courtesy of Mr. Arthur Hays Sulzberger, publisher of
the NY Times this author conferred on February 23,
1948 with Commander Baldwin [NOTE: He refers to Hanson
Baldwin, military editor of the Times at the time who
wrote a weekly column for the Sunday paper -- this
will be important later on in this discussion] in his
office where this author examined documents fully
supporting the figures published by the NY Times on
February 22, 1948. This author was allowed to examine
the file containing the results of the searching
investigations conducted by the NY Times through its
own offices throughout the world and with the
collaboration of governments and religious bodies in
those foreign countries."

WHO WAS BEN FREEDMAN, BY THE WAY?
Benjamin Harrison Freedman was the originator of the
theory that today's Jews are not the descendants of the
Jews mentioned in the Bible, but rather descendants of the
Khazars, an Asiatic people who occupied Southern Russia
(Mongolians, no less) during the seventh century, who had
converted to Judiasm. He was born a Jew in New York in
1890, but called himself a fascist and an "honorary Aryan".
When WWII broke out he supported of Hitler and predicted
Germany would win the war. [More about Freedman and a
debunking of the Khazar theory avalable on request.]

WHY IS FREEDMAN'S NUMBER IMPORTANT?
Ben's number of "a minimum of 16,150,000 and a maximum
of 19,200,000" were intended to show that the number of
Jews had risen after the war, thus proving the Holocaust
death numbers were exaggerated. It was picked up (usually
rounded off to 15 to 18 million for some reason) by various
Holocaust revisionists over the years.

FOR INSTANCE:
George Lincoln Rockwell, late Fuehrer of the American
Nazi Party, gave an interview to "Playboy" magazine in
April, 1966, where cites Hanson's figures--but just the
higher one (18 million) -- Then he adds the 6 million Jews
exterminated by Hitler, and comes up with a total of 24
million world Jewish population for 1948. He compares 24
million with the 1939 World Almanac figure for world
Jewish population: 15,688,259 in an attempt to prove that
8,311,741 Jews appeared on the planet between 1939 and
1948.

Another (more relavant) example: In 1976, Arthur Butz
wrote "The Hoax of the 20th Century"--a book that supposes
that the Holocaust is a Zionist plot and that 6,000,000
Jews did not die at the hands of the Nazis. In that book,
in a discussion of pre- and post-war population figures (p
13) Butz stated:

"Hanson Baldwin, N.Y. Times Military expert, in an
article written in 1948 dealing with the then forthcoming
Arab-Jewish war on the basis of information available at
the UN and other places, gave a figure of 15 to 18 million
world Jewish population, as well as figures for such things
as Jews in Palestine, Jews in the Middle East, Arabs in
Palestine, total Arabs, total Moslems,etc. (footnote 6)."

Hanson's 02/22/48 article (NY Times, page 4) was
entitled "Armies for Palestine: Need for International
Force of 70,000 Believed Indicated as U. N. Faces Decision"
(this was an article about a possible Arab-Israeli war).
Buried in the text was this:

". . . The Jewish areas of Palestine are an enclave
surrounded by Arabs. There are 650,000 to 700,000 Jews in
Palestine and about 1,250,000 Arabs. Another 500,000 Jews
inhabit other Arab countries in the Middle East. The Arab
population these states, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria,
Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen and Trans-Jordan, is more than
30,000,000. In these countries, the Jews are tied by
bonds of religion to the rest of the fifteen to eighteen
million Jews of the world, and most of the Arabs share
their religion with the rest of the world's 221,000,000
Moslems..."

[NOTE: in context, we see that while Baldwin provides
literal numbers for the various population figures (i.e.
1,250,000), he gives figurative numbers (i.e. "fifteen to
eighteen million") for the estimated population of Jews.
It would seem he didn't think it was important to get the
number exact for this article. Ironically, he was trying to
show how FEW Jews there were compared to Moslems, but
that's another story.]

Getting back to Mr. Freedman. Remember his "secret
census", his visit with Mr. Sulzberger and Mr. Baldwin, and
his search through a "file containing the results of the
searching investigations conducted by the NY Times through
its own offices throughout the world and with the
collaboration of governments and religious bodies in those
foreign countries"? NOTE: Mr Freedman says he went to the
Times office on Mon. Feb 23 (the paper came out on Sunday,
Feb 22). Pretty fast footwork, no?


WHAT ELSE DO WE KNOW ABOUT THIS AFFAIR?

Morris Kominsky, author of "Hoaxers" (Branden Press,
1970) [NOTE: this is BEFORE Butz's publication date of
1976], wrote a letter to Mr. Balwin and recieved the
following reply:

"Dear Mr. Kominsky,
"Thank you for your letter of inquiry of January 6.
"The world Jewish population figures printed in this
story came from the 1948 edition of the World Almanac.
Later we checked it with the American Jewish Committee and
other sources and said in the correction, as I noted to you
in my previous letter, that the authorities agree that
Hitler's wholesale massacre of Jews during the war reduced
the Jewish population to perhaps 12 million today
(2/26/48).
"If Mr. Freedman met with me I do not remember it.
The problem is of course, that you are talking about events
that took place 19 years ago. I see hundreds of people per
year, many of them only for a few minutes so I could not
swear that I did not see Mr. Freedman but if I did it made
no impression either upon me or upon my assistant.
"I do not know what Mr. Freedman means by examination
of documents but to my knowledge we had no particular
documents bearing on the issue in question.
"I hope this answers your questions; if there is
anything else you wish to know please do not hesitate to
write again.
"Sincerely, Hanson W. Baldwin (Military Editor)"

IN SUMMATION:
There was no "secret census", no "file containing the
results of the searching investigations conducted by the NY
Times through its own offices throughout the world and with
the collaboration of governments and religious bodies in
those foreign countries". Just a beleagered ex-military
man appointed editor who looked up some numbers in an
almanac. Mr. Freedman, in his eagerness to prove a point,
unwittingly caused a chain reaction of errors that were
perpetuated by people who didn't bother to check the facts.

A lot of times, when I'm verifying claims made by
revisionists and racists, I find errors, quotes out of
context and selective presentation of data. It's hard to
take the revisionist postion seriously when it's this easy
to debunk the basic tenents


Of course good old IBM already has the exact figures for the Jewish population of western Europe in the WW2 era.
you may want to google that Stephen
I see like Mashy you like vinegar on your chips...........and FUSH

[Brian d marge]

Only a wee problem

That's right bummer for you.
Hang on they checked with the jewish community to see if they made a mistake
And sure enough they had because the sums anit matching

Fish sauce

But i will look into it

Too many un clear what the fks for my liking

It always seems to be Jewish historians offfering evidence
Or germans with ropes around there necks

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[husaberg]

Hang on they checked with the jewish community to see if they made a mistake
And sure enough they had because the sums anit matching

Fish sauce

But i will look into it

Too many un clear what the fks for my liking

It always seems to be Jewish historians offfering evidence
Or germans with ropes around there necks

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NO read it again Stephen.
the figures you source quoted were 1948 figures that were based on 1938 data.
the times printed it and they were then retracted and used the correct data from 1949.
To be fair Stephen there was a war on I don't think the priorities were with census data collection.
I note you ignored the tapes of the german POW conversations they had in the cells as being any sort of evidence.

As for the Germans or the jewsh giving the evidence
They were the ones that were there Stephen............Had you considered that wee gem.

[Brian d marge]

NO read it again Stephen.
the figures you source quoted were 1948 figures that were based on 1938 data.
the times printed it and they were then retracted and used the correct data from 1949.
To be fair Stephen there was a war on I don't think the priorities were with census data collection.
I note you ignored the tapes of the german POW conversations they had in the cells as being any sort of evidence.

As for the Germans or the jewsh giving the evidence
They were the ones that were there Stephen............Had you considered that wee gem.
Yes
But not in a position right now to give a decent reply
But it seems when i do dig the evidence doesnt stack up

Be home soon

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[husaberg]

Yes
But not in a position right now to give a decent reply
But it seems when i do dig the evidence doesnt stack up

Be home soon

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It must be a conspiracy then.;) I note you data was missing the dates, also I note it has been proven to be wrong.........
It is still shown on a few sites missing that we gem of information.
Even Irving never used those figures FFS, as they had been proven to be misleading many many years prior.

[Brian d marge]

It must be a conspiracy then.;) I note you data was missing the dates, also I note it has been proven to be wrong.........
It is still shown on a few sites missing that we gem of information.
Even Irving never used those figures FFS, as they had been proven to be misleading many many years prior.
Probably

At rhe moment my spidey powers are weak
And uour right and im wrong

Still dont change the facts that there are 2 many hang on a min

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[Brian d marge]

Only a wee problem




That's right bummer for you.



Of course good old IBM already has the exact figures for the Jewish population of western Europe in the WW2 era.
you may want to google that Stephen
I see like Mashy you like vinegar on your chips...........and FUSH
Even reading that 4k people . . Bit short of 6k
These figures are like a mad woman shittin
All over the place

As usual the truth will be half way between more or less but itseems to me you have taken hook line and sinker

Vote for national they will see ya right

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[Brian d marge]

Only a wee problem




That's right bummer for you.



Of course good old IBM already has the exact figures for the Jewish population of western Europe in the WW2 era.
you may want to google that Stephen
I see like Mashy you like vinegar on your chips...........and FUSH
Oh god
Sorry god but
Theres me thinking this might be a link of some importance

But no jewish media promoting jewish fact

Disclaimer for the stupid. . . I dont mean all just rotton ones and the brain washed


So i read husaburghs article ,
And at rhe bottom we find


© The Nizkor Project, 1991-2012

This site is intended for educational purposes to teach about the Holocaust and to combat hatred. Any statements or excerpts found on this site are for educational purposes only

Just have a look around that web site and and who they endorse

Snip

The Nizkor Project (Hebrew: נִזְכּוֹר‎ we will remember) is an Internet-based project run by B'nai Brith Canada which is dedicated to countering Holocaust denial.[1]

And we know who b nai brith is dont we


Did you even read that before you posted

Probably not
Im really trying to resist derogatory words here but trust ne that was schoolboy research . .

I had high hopes to . . .wrong
So
All we have got so far is lesbian in a lickfest with unlimited supply of chocolate telling the world that chocolate is bad for the health


Any chance of an untainted non jewish bit of evidence such as the red cross

Ill supply the chocolate

Fkin ell

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[TheDemonLord]

Ah well, if you're interested enough you'll look for it.

If you're not interested enough.....who gives a fuck?

The world will continue to turn.

If it exists and supported the claims you are making - you would post it up.

But we both know it doesn't, so you don't.

I was interested about 5 pages ago, but I grew tired of having to ask for sources and when finally one was presented it was full of glaring holes, from a disreputable, extremely biased and non-peer reviewed source.

You were quite happy to dismiss some of the Eye Witness testimony I presented (which is fine, if it wasn't backed up by other corroborating evidence) yet the minute there is Eye Witness Testimony that supports your bigoted views, you swallow it, Hook, line and Sinker.

From this it is clear that the standard of evidence you would require to disprove your ideas is Impossibly high - no evidence ever presented will be enough to Refute your ideas

and the standard of evidence you require to 'prove' your ideas (to yourself) is laughably low....

Wait a minute - this is sounding eerily familiar with another type of group of people.....







Welcome to the church of Katman, where all ideas are based on Faith, Questioning the teachings of his eternal Conspiracyness Katman is considered Heresy on pain of being subjected to hours of Circular reasoning, Strawmens and assorted fallacious evidence.

Soon you will be moving on to preach a 10,000 year old earth and Evolution is a hoax....

[Katman]

Welcome to the church of Katman, where all ideas are based on Faith, Questioning the teachings of his eternal Conspiracyness Katman is considered Heresy on pain of being subjected to hours of Circular reasoning, Strawmens and assorted fallacious evidence.

Soon you will be moving on to preach a 10,000 year old earth and Evolution is a hoax....

You're husaberk's twin brother, aren't you?

The child-like petulance is a dead giveaway.

[husaberg]

Oh god
Sorry god but
Theres me thinking this might be a link of some importance

But no jewish media promoting jewish fact

Disclaimer for the stupid. . . I dont mean all just rotton ones and the brain washed


So i read husaburghs article ,
And at rhe bottom we find


© The Nizkor Project, 1991-2012

This site is intended for educational purposes to teach about the Holocaust and to combat hatred. Any statements or excerpts found on this site are for educational purposes only

Just have a look around that web site and and who they endorse

Snip

The Nizkor Project (Hebrew: נִזְכּוֹר‎ we will remember) is an Internet-based project run by B'nai Brith Canada which is dedicated to countering Holocaust denial.[1]
And we know who b nai brith is dont we
Did you even read that before you posted
Probably not
Im really trying to resist derogatory words here but trust ne that was schoolboy research . .
I had high hopes to . . .wrong
So
All we have got so far is lesbian in a lickfest with unlimited supply of chocolate telling the world that chocolate is bad for the health
Any chance of an untainted non jewish bit of evidence such as the red cross
Ill supply the chocolate
Fkin ell
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Stephen now where was your information from then? I included the source of the information for a reason as I was being upfront.
I was well aware where the information was coming from.
by you not including your own source what does that suggest?
So Stephen please provide the source of you own information.
If it is a source that can be relied on it, It will have foot notes to the data sources will it not.
Here is what I know this information you posted as being "a smoking gun" has been know to be based on information actually from 1938 propertied to be 1948.
We know the information was corrected a year later.
Yet here we are 70 odd years later this same selective use of information is attempted to be used to prove something why use that information when the 1949 data is known to be a correct.representation.

[husaberg]

The child-like petulance is a dead giveaway.
YIP:nya:...........

Don't go mistaking contempt for anger.

No, I'm just wondering how fucking stupid you're prepared to make yourself sound.

You wouldn't recognise fact if it fucked you up the arse.

Debating with fucking morons is becoming tiresome.

What a fucking condescending dickhead.
Fucking moron.

You really are a bitter piece of work, aren't you?

You seem to struggle when it comes to answering questions

Fuck off dickhead, debating with the likes of me is the only exercise your excuse for a fucking brain gets.

I would challenge everyone to sit through this movie with an open mind.(I realise that rules out Bogan and Ed).

Maybe I'm the only one paying attention. :msn-wink:

Can I slag you off on here if you get it wrong?

You're just looking at them all wrong..

Seriously man, you're as fucked in the head.

You have repeatedly shown you are not interested in debating evidence.
You simply attempt to wear down your opponent by talking in circles while not actually saying anything..

So you'll be happy to outline your reasons (or provide evidence) why a shadowy organisation is conspiring .

So why would you feel the need to try to appear superior to anyone who holds a different view of 911 to yours?

No. What's misguided is burying your head in the sand and pretending that there's nothing wrong.

It doesn't surprise me that you'd struggle with the concept of right versus wrong.

Sometimes you're "spectacularly" wrong.

You sound confused.

Your assumption is wrong.

Don't worry cunt - we'll come face to face one day.

You're a sensitive wee thing, aren't you?

Fuck, you guys are going to run out of tissues at this rate.

You're jealous.

Go back and find the fucking link for yourself.Lazy cunt.

Fuck me, you've suddenly become a genius.

Wrong way round Oscar.If you said he was a kiddy fiddler it would be up to you to prove it.
The same as when you call 'bullshit' - you should have something to back that claim up.

The greatest irony of this post is that you probably don't even recognise the irony that's just come out of your own gob.

Your superiority complex is rather amusing.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but you sound mentally unbalanced.

See, that's what makes you a fucking moron. What the fuck has him being sent to a nuthouse have to do with the theory of what we're discussing?

Fuck you're a sensitive emo, aren't you?.

[husaberg]

Even reading that 4k people . . Bit short of 6k
These figures are like a mad woman shittin
All over the place

As usual the truth will be half way between more or less but itseems to me you have taken hook line and sinker

Vote for national they will see ya right

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Stephen you are so hung up on an exact total all the deniers are why is that?
Like I have said how many Million deaths does it take.

[Katman]

YIP:nya:...........

I rest my case.

[husaberg]

I rest my case.

You have no case, otherwise you would have actual evidence, other that cat ESP



Katman 'evidence' = vague generalisations and obscure physical estimates, often gleened from agenda-focussed internet sites.
Some people would call it gossip. But I'm not that nasty

Katmans preoccupation with 6 million. he claims its everywhere but fails to notice the everywhere is only on denial sites he fails to notice that he is the one who repeats it ad nausea

We have most certainly been bombarded with the figure of 6 million for the last 70 years.
So what about if the real number was more like 1 million with a very significant proportion of those being deaths by typhus or starvation?
Why are we being fed the figure of 6 million?

So why are we still being told '6 million'?

What a silly question Oscar.
Of course it matters if it was 7 thousand instead of 7 million.
Why would they say 7 million if it was only 7 thousand?

Hey, they were your numbers Oscar.
I'm just pointing out that 'somewhere between 7 thousand and 7 million' is a rather tardy approximation.

You really do need to learn to read.
Do I believe that 6 million Jews were gassed in extermination camps? Up until relatively recently I had no reason to question what we've always been led to believe.
Nowadays though I tend to question a whole lot of things we've been told over the years.

Like the figure of 6 million?

Like the figure of 6 million?

Ok, so let's assume the figure of 6 million is full of shit.
What's the real number?
I haven't claimed anything 'as gospel'.
I'm just asking questions.

So if the figure of 6 million is inaccurate, when do we get to hear the revised figure?
(And why has the quoted figure been 6 million for the last 70 years)?

Well now I'm confused.
You seem to believe the figure of 6 million but Husaberk says it's shit.

Like the figure of 6 million?

Are you suggesting that the figure of 6 million is just a figment of my imagination?

Ok, simple question - is the figure of 6 million right or wrong?
Because, to my way of thinking it sounds like it's been grossly exaggerated.
And could the repeated use of the figure 6 million possibly be an example of attempted indoctrination?

So if it was 2 million instead of 6 million, wouldn't you start to wonder why you've been led to believe the figure was 6 million for your entire life?

Like the figure of 6 million?

[Oscar]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/11/d0514340755579004617f7ad7edd2d99.jpg
And
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/11/62068744ea238d06cabbc2398f2664dd.jpg

Oh noes using a well and trusted jewish almanac
We find the population went down by 2/5th of fk all . . But hang werent 90 % wiped out 6 mill at least

More hang on . Something need chips to go with this fishy

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Wow, that's an accurate source.:facepalm:
You didn't happen to compare the Christian populations did you?

Moron.

[Brian d marge]

Wow, that's an accurate source.:facepalm:
You didn't happen to compare the Christian populations did you?

Moron.
Put ya glasses on dear

Stop listening to talk bback radio . .we have to becareful with ya blood pressure

And have another look


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[husaberg]

Put ya glasses on dear

Stop listening to talk bback radio . .we have to becareful with ya blood pressure

And have another look


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I seem to have a large number of unanswered questions I posed to you Stephen awaiting replies.

[Brian d marge]

I seem to have a large number of unanswered questions I posed to you Stephen awaiting replies.
I think ive answered them

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[husaberg]

I think ive answered them

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You have not given your source of that information.
You have not answered why it was your source would use the information from the 1948 figures when now as then it was known to be based on 1938 figures.
Nor have you answered why would they use the 1949 figures when it is known to be based on data collected after the war.
You have also not answered why the tapes and transcripts of the prisoner conversations in cells secretly recorded can be dismissed as being incorrect.
Nor have you answered why the exact figure of those killed is so important to the denial camp.
So where did all the prisoners that we know arrived by train to the camps go


Oldie still hasn't answered the questions posed of his comments either

All dependent upon protection by the myth of anti-Semitism


The myth of anti Semitism?. I would like an explanation of this comment Oldie, is it just a myth were Jews and other religions ever striped of nationality or persecuted or prevented from owning land or had all there assets seized. Was this all really just a myth?

Seems they were treated pretty much like we here in NZ treated the Chinese in the goldrush.
There is also strong parallels with how the Australian aborigines were also treated.
The treatment of the American Indians seems eerily similar also.
This is not even comparing the treatment of the Black South Africans.
Or the white Zimbabwean's or the native Zimbabwean's a hundred or so years prior to this.

[Swoop]

It does when 70 years later a few idiots try to make out it never occurred.
There was a reason that the Allied liberators of concentration camps impressed locals into work gangs. They did this to indelibly remind the population that these events actually occurred, even within the close boundaries of their community.
Sadly we are seeing the modernistic retards who actively choose to deny these events ever happened.

An interesting turn of events and which adds credence to the "collapse of knowledge" theorem.

[Brian d marge]

You have not given your source of that information.
You have not answered why it was your source would use the information from the 1948 figures when now as then it was known to be based on 1938 figures.
Nor have you answered why would they use the 1949 figures when it is known to be based on data collected after the war.
You have also not answered why the tapes and transcripts of the prisoner conversations in cells secretly recorded can be dismissed as being incorrect.
Nor have you answered why the exact figure of those killed is so important to the denial camp.
So where did all the prisoners that we know arrived by train to the camps go


Oldie still hasn't answered the questions posed of his comments either

Did
Red cross its written on the top of the page

See my reply about your source . . .

And finally the numbers aint important

But and here where and why i get animated

The holocaust tm happened but so have others

The brits invented the game in south africa . . Not reported

Now if

The holocaust is being used to further an agenda
Not cool bad juju

And even worse if its was created to further an agenda . .that really bad juju

This is why doubt is important

Otherwise ya start believing that 2 planes knocked down 3 buildings

The were weapons of mass destruction

And the removal of black jelly babies was a zionist plot

Stephen

Ps

When I have finished reading I will post a link that will most probably shoot meself in the foot
Is the best one stop shop ive found



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[Oscar]

Put ya glasses on dear

Stop listening to talk bback radio . .we have to becareful with ya blood pressure

And have another look


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Then explain why there is a difference of 26,000,000 Christians in North America.

[Katman]

Then explain why there is a difference of 26,000,000 Christians in North America.

Have you got any theories as to why the International Red Cross wouldn't make any mention of systematic, deliberate genocide (or gassings) in their reports on the camps?

(The reports that resulted from the Germans inviting the Red Cross into the camps in an attempt to regain some degree of control over the chain of events that were happening in the later days of the war).

[Brian d marge]

Then explain why there is a difference of 26,000,000 Christians in North America.
Ya lost me on that . . . I dont understand wtf u are on about

Your english is grammatically correct the words are in the correct order andable to be read

But

What you on about willis

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[husaberg]

Have you got any theories as to why the International Red Cross wouldn't make any mention of systematic, deliberate genocide (or gassings) in their reports on the camps?

(The reports that resulted from the Germans inviting the Red Cross into the camps in an attempt to regain some degree of control over the chain of events that were happening in the later days of the war).

Yes the Red cross was only admitted to the camps on the permission of the Germans if the red cross was to piss off the germans in anyway they were denied access to the camps. The Germans made the rules not visa versa.
On the contrary to your last statement, the Gemans refused access later in the War.

[Katman]

On the contrary to your last statement, the Gemans refused access later in the War.

What are you talking about?

In the later days of the war each camp was assigned a Red Cross delegate.

[husaberg]

Did
Red cross its written on the top of the page
See my reply about your source . . .
And finally the numbers aint important
But and here where and why i get animated
The holocaust tm happened but so have others
The brits invented the game in south africa . . Not reported
Now if
The holocaust is being used to further an agenda
Not cool bad juju
And even worse if its was created to further an agenda . .that really bad juju
This is why doubt is important
Otherwise ya start believing that 2 planes knocked down 3 buildings
The were weapons of mass destruction
And the removal of black jelly babies was a zionist plot
Stephen
Ps
When I have finished reading I will post a link that will most probably shoot meself in the foot
Is the best one stop shop ive found
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Stephen not one of my questions above was answered by you. Not a single one.
I asked the source of your material. The web site it was from.
Are you trying to say it was from the Red cross website now I say it was not.
I would say it was from a "Holocaust never happened website"
Hence your reticence to say where it was from.;)


You have not given your source of that information.
You have not answered why it was your source would use the information from the 1948 figures when now as then it was known to be based on 1938 figures.
Nor have you answered why would they use the 1949 figures when it is known to be based on data collected after the war.
You have also not answered why the tapes and transcripts of the prisoner conversations in cells secretly recorded can be dismissed as being incorrect.
Nor have you answered why the exact figure of those killed is so important to the denial camp.
So where did all the prisoners that we know arrived by train to the camps go


Oldie still hasn't answered the questions posed of his comments either

[Oscar]

Have you got any theories as to why the International Red Cross wouldn't make any mention of systematic, deliberate genocide (or gassings) in their reports on the camps?

(The reports that resulted from the Germans inviting the Red Cross into the camps in an attempt to regain some degree of control over the chain of events that were happening in the later days of the war).

I asked a question about the "proof" that the idiot posted.
I have no interest in your stupid ravings.

[Oscar]

Ya lost me on that . . . I dont understand wtf u are on about

Your english is grammatically correct the words are in the correct order andable to be read

But

What you on about willis

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You posted it, read the fucking thing.

Between the two figures for Christians in North America, there is a huge difference.
I would say the numbers aren't very accurate.

[Katman]

I asked a question about the "proof" that the idiot posted.
I have no interest in your stupid ravings.

I'll take that as a "sorry, I have no theories".

[husaberg]

There was a reason that the Allied liberators of concentration camps impressed locals into work gangs. They did this to indelibly remind the population that these events actually occurred, even within the close boundaries of their community.
Sadly we are seeing the modernistic retards who actively choose to deny these events ever happened.

An interesting turn of events and which adds credence to the "collapse of knowledge" theorem.

Yes I have seen the reports that they were made to go through the camps to see.
But to the denier they are just in on the conspiracy. Eye witness accounts mean nothing unless they are the 1 percent that say what they want to hear.
The thing I find the most funny is for a conspiracy to work it has to have only a few people involved that know what is the truth.
The conspiracy is everywhere idiots can't seem to fathom how that works. Ie the more people involve the less secret it is.
It says a lot about a person who feels the need to deny evidence in favour of rumour wrapped in innuendo

[husaberg]

I'll take that as a "sorry, I have no theories".

That because theories in your opinion over ride evidence..........:violin:

[Katman]

I would say the numbers aren't very accurate.

Fuck, I reckon.

It's almost like you could make up any old number.

[Brian d marge]

I asked a question about the "proof" that the idiot posted.
I have no interest in your stupid ravings.
No you didnt. . .

Unless i missed it

But I always lookfor your posts in order to see the state of the nation



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[Brian d marge]

You posted it, read the fucking thing.

Between the two figures for Christians in North America, there is a huge difference.
I would say the numbers aren't very accurate.
Ahhh these the rest of the sentence
And you complain about me

Damn

So . . See if you can find any substantiated figures

You cant . . . .why

Now put the sherry down and read this carefully

Why. . . . Certainly the 6 mill is questionable

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[Brian d marge]

Stephen not one of my questions above was answered by you. Not a single one.
I asked the source of your material. The web site it was from.
Are you trying to say it was from the Red cross website now I say it was not.
I would say it was from a "Holocaust never happened website"
Hence your reticence to say where it was from.;)

Have a look at the american jewish committee
No go back and have a look at what I have said
And when i get near a computer i will help you in your quest




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[Brian d marge]

Fuck, I reckon.

It's almost like you could make up any old number.
6 million is a good numbe its been used since 1900

Why change it [emoji41]

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[husaberg]

Have a look at the american jewish committee
No go back and have a look at what I have said
And when i get near a computer i will help you in your quest
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I did twice you just had a dig at where I gathered the information from (while hypocritically forgetting where your information was garnered from)

You then evaded the questions I asked of you some more. Kind of like you just did again.:laugh:
There is a defined pattern emerging here Stephen.
The denial camp is big on questions slim on answers. Huge on rumour, skinny on evidence.

[Brian d marge]

I did twice you just had a dig at where I gathered the information from (while hypocritically forgetting where your information was garnered from)

You then evaded the questions I asked of you some more. Kind of like you just did again.[emoji23]
There is a defined pattern emerging here Stephen.
The denial camp is big on questions slim on answers. Huge on rumour, skinny on evidence.
What part of

I gave u the answer do you not understand

Wait I got it

Wait until I get home and Ill make all yiu dreams come true



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[mashman]

Well I have seen the records (well what's left of them) 2/3 of fuck all died from typhus at Auschwitz. Millions arrived by train most of those trainloads of people never made the official camp records. why is this............ f-all left the camp alive.
Some people only see what they want too, what is convenient.
Katman only believes in conspiracies. He needs them. Hense his "well maybe 10 of thousands" may have died statement.
The burden of proof lies with those trying to disprove history, the denial camp his huge on rhetoric slim on any actual evidence as can been seen here by a total lack of any evidence at all.
History is not proven by Katman's gut feeling.

Like I said, history is a shit teacher... because those who regurgitate it do so they way they saw it or have researched it, and given that the true numbers are sketchy, and, as you state, an unknown number "vanished", how can anyone claim that they have THE undeniable single version that proves anything other than millions of people died? Therefore it's all open to individual interpretation as to what happened to what quantity of people and why, not just because of the evidence available, but because it feels right. Meh.

[Oscar]

Ahhh these the rest of the sentence
And you complain about me

Damn

So . . See if you can find any substantiated figures

You cant . . . .why

Now put the sherry down and read this carefully

Why. . . . Certainly the 6 mill is questionable

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There are plenty of substantiated figures.
Stop asking stupid questions and admit that the figures that you psoted wer shit.

[Brian d marge]

There are plenty of substantiated figures.
Stop asking stupid questions and admit that the figures that you psoted wer shit.
No they were exactly in context if you read what I said

Btw I assume psoted means posted and there are 2 e in where


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[husaberg]

Like I said, history is a shit teacher... because those who regurgitate it do so they way they saw it or have researched it, and given that the true numbers are sketchy, and, as you state, an unknown number "vanished", how can anyone claim that they have THE undeniable single version that proves anything other than millions of people died? Therefore it's all open to individual interpretation as to what happened to what quantity of people and why, not just because of the evidence available, but because it feels right. Meh.

Oh contraire It is not exactly unknown how many vanished what I was saying is we know they arrived on trains we have the schedules The deniers have never accounted for where these people went at all.

[mashman]

Oh contraire It is not exactly unknown how many vanished what I was saying is we know they arrived on trains we have the schedules The deniers have never accounted for where these people went at all.

My school attendance states that I was at school a lot more than I actually was.

heh.. read your deniers line again and think about it ;). Then consider how big the planet is and the need to hide one's name/faith for fear of being persecuted.

[husaberg]

My school attendance states that I was at school a lot more than I actually was.

heh.. read your deniers line again and think about it ;). Then consider how big the planet is and the need to hide one's name/faith for fear of being persecuted.
Too easy Mashy.
Yet again read what you posted. The survivors are easy to find the German staff at the camps were the ones who went into hiding and changed their identities.
Think about it.
I am pretty sure if you didn't turn up at home after school whether truant of not someone would have gone looking for you.
But if you were gassed and burned to ash and then the ashen remains were scattered about, it would be pretty hard to say how you died. But rest assured you would be still dead.

[bogan]

Btw I assume psoted means posted and there are 2 e in where

Mate, if he can put up with your gibbering, bastardised version of the english language, the least you can do is allow him some spelling mistakes.

Now, you figured out why we should care who is a zionist or not, given that they're not all bad people?

[Brian d marge]

It seems that some , Especially ones who fly low , Have the intellect of a baboon

So for the sake of the remedial readers , below please find my complete set of posts which, from what I can see say
the same thing, over and over again
And finally here
A one stop shop , for this whole debate .....

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=8204bdbb05d85354cb7f4b56a3ae2b9c
(http://forum.axishistory.com/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=8204bdbb05d85354cb7f4b56a3ae2b9c)
NOW How can I put this politely , IF ya cant gather my position on this whole debate .... just be happy with anything that on the TV at 7pm ,
and good luck .

Stephen

Sorry for length of post ...no other way I could see



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No one is deriding a whole group
I have and others have been very careful to point this out

Unfortuantly the actions of a few are tainting the name of the many good bastads

But the narative that this small group want to impose is NOT what actually happened or is Happening

Such is life

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I know the views of those in question

Stephen

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Sorry thought you were up to speed on jewish history and the khazars
Sorry
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And the fact that people leaving germany were paid to resettle in the promised land
Only took a small hit on savings actually

Too many . . . Hang on a minite . . .for my likin
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Just dismiss it then

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Which is what we are talking about

There were groups that supported hitler

Why was that , . . . . .dot dot dot

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Ok what would you like

When i come back from the dump . . Im all yours

Promise

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The opposite also can apply

Ya beat me on the stupidity

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Right back from the dump , what would you like to know
Stephen


His first , well the finance minister he inherited Hjammmer Shmitt or what ever his name was .. , He was switched on ( but was replace by ( why ????) , Uncle Herman , who was under orders to get ready for war and was given 4 years ( the original 25 point plan was kinda lost along the way )
It then became a command economy, the banks were still privatised , ( this answers , dumbarses question) , but now the banks were capped under the command economy and asset stripped after the war .

Snip; Strange how the same name keep popping up ...Im sure Morgan aint a Greek name .....

During the first half of 1922, the Mark stabilized at about 320 Marks per Dollar. This was accompanied by international reparations conferences, including one in June 1922 organized by U.S. investment banker J. P. Morgan, Jr. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._P._Morgan,_Jr.)[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic#cite_note-10) When these meetings produced no workable solution, the inflation changed to hyperinflation and the Mark fell to 800 Marks per Dollar by December 1922. The cost-of-living index (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost-of-living_index) was 41 in June 1922 and 685 in December, a 15-fold increase.

( gini is at 42 for America and was 44 when Rome collapsed .....hey ho ...)

Stephen


Oz cars is right in that that Daily express, and other newspaper set up a narative to influence an agenda.

The conspiricy theory or scuttlebut is; Hitler was a illegitimate Rothschild and was funded by the European ( swiss ) banks in order to help facilitate the creation of israel

Why wasnt the ball bearing factory in Cologne left untouched , and what about Switzerland ???

The banks funded Hitler , UNTIL , He removed himself from the gold standard and created and wanted German independence ( total , independence incl money and raw materials )

The banks??? or the 1% , ( Follow the money the same names will appear ) said OXI .

either by design or by reaction who knows ....

Either way the narrative was built and still is being built, Germany and silly moustaches are bad , and Jewish people are the victims ........

may be the case .....

but there are too many " hang on a minutes "

A simple question ( I don't care either way Just for the record , ) ....where did the figure 6 million come from? and my uncle died last month here in Japan. He was cremated using the latest equipment ,,,, that took 20 min .... one body .....

you do the maths ....something aint right

Anyway Uncle Oz cars is right in the fact that; one must be careful of the narrative ....

At the moment its Greece ....... Why would the banks hang out to dry a country such as Greece ...as someone else said: that would be like America , hanging out Rhode Island out to dry

Makes no sense unless there is a bigger picture ......

IMHO.

Stephen


Fixed it for you

Go back and read what ACTUALLY has been said

Stephen


Start with zion follow that and see what happens

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Good on ya

I will look at those points
And as others know I WILL get back to u
But just on those photos Ive heard one suggestion that some of them were german dead

Still thanks for spending the time . .

Now I dont really care which way this goes my main concern is getting or at the very least asking the questions


But without spending the time . . Because right now im in a sushi bar

You quite rightly noticed
That the references you gave are jewish

And yes they the nazi did keep records but off top head there was a discrepancy with either the record or the use

But I ll look into it and reply in due course

Finally with a coffin an a walking skeleton . .he had cancer . .20 min

The war lasted 6 year that will give u a number of people

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Yes those are stock photos and the are some questions behind them
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Ive just been reading the post YOU posted in gene pool i think the thread was titled and was quoted earlier

What side you on willis

I dont care either way but i should quote your post as a good place to start to support my stance

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Ehhhhhhhh
Zionism and what we are talking about
We might be at crossed communications here

Can you elaborate

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Ill see if i can cut and paste on this phone

Just as an aside
If there are 1440 min in a day and the war 6 years
My uncle took 20 min incl coffin

With modern tech

I roughly 157 000 were creamated

Numbers just aint stacking up


Anyway ill try and quote your post

Hang on

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Please please at least be familiar with the topic before replying

Wtf do you think zionism is

Fr gawd sake just google it

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You are right

Even if one person died thats enough
But when the number is being used to push an agenda

Now its a different kettle of fish

There were 500 000 brits and 600 000 germans killed at the battle of the somme

Nah something aint right

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So far Ive spent all of three min

I will go throught the list you gave , Slowly as you will see why ...

I started at the top and worked down

old Hotteee was a character , work as an SS officer , up thee with the elite ..then goes on to a spying career in the us of an A .... after being party to 6million deaths .......

Snip;Höttl was first stationed in Vienna with the SD foreign bureau and then moved to Berlin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin) where he was promoted to the rank of SS-Sturmbannführer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmbannf%C3%BChrer) (major). In 1944 Höttl became the Ausland-SD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicherheitsdienst#Ausland-SD)'s acting head of Intelligence and Counter Espionage in Central (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe) and South East Europe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_East_Europe). In March he was assigned to Budapest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest), where he served as second in command to Reichsführer-SS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsf%C3%BChrer-SS) Heinrich Himmler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler)'s SS representative in Hungary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary). In addition, Höttl served as political advisor to Hitler's ambassador there, Edmund Veesenmayer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Veesenmayer), who reported to Berlin, for example, on the large-scale deportations in 1944 of Jews (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew) from Hungary. During his stay in Budapest he was in contact with the Americans in Bern (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bern), Switzerland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland).


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_H%C3%B6ttl#cite_note-MOUNT_VERNON-3)
"Eichmann said at that time six million people have been killed, four million in concentration camps and similar set-ups, and two million by shooting, Einsatzkommandos. And he told me at that time, it was fantastic really, 'I had thought a lot of people had been killed, but six million!' And he said 'Just imagine, that was still too few for Himmler. Himmler said to me, 'There must be more than that.' And he set up his own statistics unit (today we would say 'computer people') who were to check up on this.'"


- Wilhelm Höttl (quoting Eichmann quoting Himmler)


Im not saying nowt .......but if you are in the SS up in front of a judge who may string you up ......do you think you might stick to the truth , especially if the judge is ..looking for an specific answer??? Just saying thats all ???

then we look at the 6 million figure

here is how many times the 6 mil has been mentioned in regards to the poor wee dears .....

1900 - Stephen S. Wise, New York Times, June 11, 1900
"There are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism."

1902 - Encyclopaedia Britannica, 10th Edition, Vol. 25, 1902, page 482
"While there are in Russia and Rumania six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded ..."

1902- Samuel W. Goldstein, New York Times, November 27, 1902
"PLEA FOR ZIONISM ... In answer I would say: Does Dr. Silverman represent the 6,000,000 Jews in Russia, 300,000 in Roumania and the 1,000,000 in Galicia?"

1937 - The Jewish Criterion, September 3, 1937
"the position of the six million Jews of Central and Eastern Europe with whose existence the J.D.C." was "so vitally concerned."


1939 - The Jewish Criterion, April 7th, 1939, page 33
" ... six million Jewish people who are in dire need today."

1939 - The Jewish Criterion, April 14th, 1939, page 4
"Recent events in Central Europe have brought to 6,000,000 the total number of Jews in Central and Eastern European countries affected by anti-Semitic activities"

1940 - The Southern Israelite, May 3rd, 1940
"Almost six million Jews find themselves on the brink of starvation and extermination. Their only hope is the help which the Jews of America can extend to them. The success of the United Jewish Appeal will determine their fate.


1944 - Nahum Goldmann, Jewish Western Bulletin, December 8th, 1944
" ... apart from Jewish losses in combat service, 5,500,000 Jews have been killed in Germany and German-occupied tesritories [recte: territories] since the outbreak of the awr [recte: war]. These figures exceed the number anticipated even by the most pessimistic. ... Yes, the Germans murdered close to six million Jews ... "

1945 - Jewish Western Bulletin, September 7th, 1945, page 47
"Throughout the world there is a growing indignation over the barbarism and the unspeakable cruelty of the mass murders of six million Jews by the Nazis,"

1945 - New York Times, September 17th, 1945
"Six million Jews have died as martyrs and their blood cries up from the ground."

Or what about this little doozie .....the red cross figures from the camps which kinda is in the SAME ball park as my rough as guts estimate 313598

Shall I stop now .....?????? or shall I continue to the births and deaths .......

or should I quote one of the numbers from me wee list
1943 - July 21, 1943, Ben Hecht's show 'We Shall Not Die' staged at the Hollywood Bowl, California
"The Germans murdered 2,000,000 Jewish civilians without trouble; the Germans are murdering the surviving 4,000,000 Jewish civilians of Europe without trouble."


Gosh those numbers look familiar ..........


Stephen

May very well be true
But I think there are 2 many un answered questions
Or questions for that matter
And even the simple numbers dont stack up

All ive done is raise a few questions what u do with them is your matter

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I also think that is the case

Based on my experience a single body of similar sze and wieght took 20 min
Quick calc i got 160 000

Three min on google i found a red cross document showing a figure of 275 000

Then when shown the document . . Oh yes but . .

I will dig deeper because if any money is invovled the same names should appesr
Hahaha

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At whst point did i say that it did not occur
A tragedy occured caused by both sides but I THINK is being milked by a small group
Kinda like 9 11 to many" hang on a miniutes "
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My simple argument raised a question the later seemed to be supported
At this point one might be going hmmmmm why is that

Heres another hmmmm according to thr jewish press 90 percent of jews in poland were killed
A simple before and after head count should tell us something

Red cross should have those figures

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Havent made any claims
I just raised the point that you could be wrong
Simple
And it wasnt difficult to do
which then raised the issue of you may not know what your talking about
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No it was 11 mil 9 mil were jewish of which 2/3 were killed . . 2/3 of 9 is um 6
Of which according to u 3 mill went at one camp

Someones telling porkies

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And

Oh noes using a well and trusted jewish almanac
We find the population went down by 2/5th of fk all . . But hang werent 90 % wiped out 6 mill at least

More hang on . Something need chips to go with this fishy

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Hang on they checked with the jewish community to see if they made a mistake
And sure enough they had because the sums anit matching

Fish sauce

But i will look into it

Too many un clear what the fks for my liking

It always seems to be Jewish historians offfering evidence
Or germans with ropes around there necks

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Oh god
Sorry god but
Theres me thinking this might be a link of some importance
But no jewish media promoting jewish fact
Disclaimer for the stupid. . . I dont mean all just rotton ones and the brain washed
So i read husaburghs article ,
And at rhe bottom we find

© The Nizkor Project, 1991-2012

This site is intended for educational purposes to teach about the Holocaust and to combat hatred. Any statements or excerpts found on this site are for educational purposes only

Just have a look around that web site and and who they endorse

Snip

The Nizkor Project (Hebrew: נִזְכּוֹר‎ we will remember) is an Internet-based project run by B'nai Brith Canada which is dedicated to countering Holocaust denial.[1]

And we know who b nai brith is dont we


Did you even read that before you posted

Probably not
Im really trying to resist derogatory words here but trust ne that was schoolboy research . .

Any chance of an untainted non jewish bit of evidence such as the red cross

Ill supply the chocolate

Fkin ell

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Did
Red cross its written on the top of the page

See my reply about your source . . .

And finally the numbers aint important

But and here where and why i get animated

The holocaust tm happened but so have others

The brits invented the game in south africa . . Not reported

Now if

The holocaust is being used to further an agenda
Not cool bad juju

And even worse if its was created to further an agenda . .that really bad juju

This is why doubt is important

Otherwise ya start believing that 2 planes knocked down 3 buildings

The were weapons of mass destruction

And the removal of black jelly babies was a zionist plot

Stephen
Ps
When I have finished reading I will post a link that will most probably shoot meself in the foot
Is the best one stop shop ive found

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Ahhh these the rest of the sentence
And you complain about me

Damn
So . . See if you can find any substantiated figures

You cant . . . .why

Now put the sherry down and read this carefully

Why. . . . Certainly the 6 mill is questionable

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No they were exactly in context if you read what I said

Btw I assume psoted means posted and there are 2 e in where


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Wheeeeee ........go back to top

[Brian d marge]

Mate, if he can put up with your gibbering, bastardised version of the english language, the least you can do is allow him some spelling mistakes.

Now, you figured out why we should care who is a zionist or not, given that they're not all bad people?

True , but is it one rule for all , or just when you fellas have trouble ?

Stephen

[husaberg]

True , but is it one rule for all , or just when you fellas have trouble ?

Stephen

Remember you were going to answer some questions for me Stephen you know answers not a documentary on what you are doing in your daily life in Japan.


I think ive answered them

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You have not given your source of that information. Still waiting
You have not answered why it was your source would use the information from the 1948 figures when now as then it was known to be based on 1938 figures. Still waiting
Nor have you answered why would they use the 1949 figures when it is known to be based on data collected after the war.Still waiting
You have also not answered why the tapes and transcripts of the prisoner conversations in cells secretly recorded can be dismissed as being incorrect. Still waiting
Nor have you answered why the exact figure of those killed is so important to the denial camp. Still waiting
So where did all the prisoners that we know arrived by train to the camps go. Did they disappear like smoke.Still waiting

[bogan]

True , but is it one rule for all , or just when you fellas have trouble ?

Stephen

No. It is according to ability, this is why every reply to you is not pulling you up on grammar issues. Yet if I relaxed mine down to your standard, I would expect to be pulled up on it a lot.

This is perhaps why quoting yourself is not as good an option as simply answering some basic questions that are put to you so your position or evidence or logic can be clarified.

The sharing of information in a debate is a simple concept, and the failure of conspiracy theorists to adhere to it is why you are shunned; it has little to do with what you think, but so much to do with why you think it (illogically). Which is of course not to say everyone who thinks as the 'official line' does so logically, but a lot do; others just tend to follow, perhaps based on this logic they have seen employed before...

[Brian d marge]

See post 2234
I think Ive made my position clear and some good info in that forum


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[bogan]

See post 2234
I think Ive made my position clear and some good info in that forum


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Seen it, still didn't explain the hullabaloo about zionism.

Forum link is just more of your lazy arse 'read this shit until you agree with me' style of debate.

Like I said, it isn't what you believe that gets you shunned, just the illogicality in which you reached those beliefs.

[Brian d marge]

Seen it, still didn't explain the hullabaloo about zionism.

Forum link is just more of your lazy arse 'read this shit until you agree with me' style of debate.

Like I said, it isn't what you believe that gets you shunned, just the illogicality in which you reached those beliefs.
who has been shunned .... not feeling the love are you?

That link as you quite astutely observed aint nothing to do with Zionism ...never said it was ...

That be a whole different link ..

As for illogicality ..hands up on that , When I said post 1 ...I didnt expect anyone to go back to the beginning of the whole forum .... Ya got me on that one

anymore questions ?

Stephen

[husaberg]

anymore questions ?

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/11/d0514340755579004617f7ad7edd2d99.jpg
And
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/11/62068744ea238d06cabbc2398f2664dd.jpg

Oh noes using a well and trusted jewish almanac
We find the population went down by 2/5th of fk all . . But hang werent 90 % wiped out 6 mill at least

More hang on . Something need chips to go with this fishy

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Stephen
You have not given your source of that information. Still waiting what website this was gleaned from
You have not answered why it was your source would use the information from the 1948 figures when now as then it was known to be based on 1938 figures. Still waiting
Nor have you answered why would they use the 1949 figures when it is known to be based on data collected after the war.Still waiting
You have also not answered why the tapes and transcripts of the prisoner conversations in cells secretly recorded can be dismissed as being incorrect. Still waiting
Nor have you answered why the exact figure of those killed is so important to the denial camp. Still waiting
So where did all the prisoners that we know arrived by train to the camps go. Did they disappear like smoke.Still waiting

[bogan]

who has been shunned .... not feeling the love are you?

That link as you quite astutely observed aint nothing to do with Zionism ...never said it was ...

That be a whole different link ..

As for illogicality ..hands up on that , When I said post 1 ...I didnt expect anyone to go back to the beginning of the whole forum .... Ya got me on that one

anymore questions ?

Stephen

I was quite clear in my assertions about who was shunned. How can you not get that?

So why refer me to a place that has nothing to do with what we are debating?

Well if there is two post 1s in a thread, it's news to me.

Nothing new because you are still completely failing to answer those that have already been given to you.

[Brian d marge]

You have not given your source of that information. Still waiting what website this was gleaned from
You have not answered why it was your source would use the information from the 1948 figures when now as then it was known to be based on 1938 figures. Still waiting
Nor have you answered why would they use the 1949 figures when it is known to be based on data collected after the war.Still waiting
You have also not answered why the tapes and transcripts of the prisoner conversations in cells secretly recorded can be dismissed as being incorrect. Still waiting
Nor have you answered why the exact figure of those killed is so important to the denial camp. Still waiting
So where did all the prisoners that we know arrived by train to the camps go. Did they disappear like smoke.Still waiting
You might want to get a cup of coffee , them your questions and the answers will be in that Forum , ( seems legit, so far , to me )
As Im pretty sure , You havent understood, my position or indeed what Ive said , So off you go to post 2234 , the big long one, and in red ,,, lies your answer . ( IF you want a more in depth answer , I refer you to the forum ...they have really been at it , in a neutral stance as far as I can see )

Stephen.

[husaberg]

You might want to get a cup of coffee , them your questions and the answers will be in that Forum , ( seems legit, so far , to me )
As Im pretty sure , You havent understood, my position or indeed what Ive said , So off you go to post 2234 , the big long one, and in red ,,, lies your answer . ( IF you want a more in depth answer , I refer you to the forum ...they have really been at it , in a neutral stance as far as I can see )

Stephen.

No Stephen the time has come to put out or pull out as your position is a little skewed. Maybe less self medication with the Rohypnol.
In case you forget while you brew your own coffee (made with free trade beans.)


We find the population went down by 2/5th of fk all . . But hang werent 90 % wiped out 6 mill at least




You have not given your source of that information. Still waiting what website this was gleaned from
You have not answered why it was your source would use the information from the 1948 figures when now as then it was known to be based on 1938 figures. Still waiting
Nor have you answered why would they use the 1949 figures when it is known to be based on data collected after the war.Still waiting
You have also not answered why the tapes and transcripts of the prisoner conversations in cells secretly recorded can be dismissed as being incorrect. Still waiting
Nor have you answered why the exact figure of those killed is so important to the denial camp. Still waiting
So where did all the prisoners that we know arrived by train to the camps go. Did they disappear like smoke.Still waiting

[Katman]

Meanwhile post #2210 goes conspicuously ignored.

[Brian d marge]

I was quite clear in my assertions about who was shunned. How can you not get that?

So why refer me to a place that has nothing to do with what we are debating?

Well if there is two post 1s in a thread, it's news to me.

Nothing new because you are still completely failing to answer those that have already been given to you.

Yup , sorry I just dont know how to answer , completely lost for words

All I can say is , go back to post 2234 ( my one the long one) read that. The link under that is all about THAT topic

IF you are on about Zionism , it IS linked to post 2234

here is a start .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism)
drop down to 8.4 ....

[husaberg]

Meanwhile post #2210 goes conspicuously ignored.

2212 answered it with an actual answer, I Know you are unfamiliar with those. SFB.

Picking Stephen is never going to answer as it makes him looks pretty hypocritical for posting a few of his replies.

[bogan]

Yup , sorry I just dont know how to answer , completely lost for words

All I can say is , go back to post 2234 ( my one the long one) read that. The link under that is all about THAT topic

IF you are on about Zionism , it IS linked to post 2234

here is a start .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism)
drop down to 8.4 ....

You're not listening stephen. My question is why does it matter if one is a zionist given that not all zionists are bad people (by your own assertion). A large proposition of religions have various parts of scripture that can be held up as justification by bad men to do bad things; I'm not saying there is none of that in zionism.

What I want to know is why it matters so much is somebody is zionist, or jewish; and do you consider that to be a bad thing? (even just answering this last bit with a simple yes/no would be a great improvement from you current evasionary tactics).

[TheDemonLord]

All I can say is , go back to post 2234 ( my one the long one) read that. The link under that is all about THAT topic

I'd rather not, it was bad enough reading it the first time round.

[Brian d marge]

I'd rather not, it was bad enough reading it the first time round.
As long as you are up to speed thats fine

There should be no need for me to refer back to it then ?

Stephen