The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[ellipsis]

so you go right ahead with your uninformed whining...

...I'd love to know why your opinions are so informed...ay...you must, by point of opinion be . more informed...you are still a cocksucker...

[Winston001]

Well democracy arises from universal enfranchisement = we all get a vote. National got the most votes by far and formed a government. One of their policies was to sell 49% of a few state businesses.

Its not particularly radical, it makes sense, and we still own 51%.

Personally I don't support the asset sales but they don't keep me awake at night.

[puddytat]

Logical argument - you only understand your opinion, so only those who agree with you are right.
Much favoured by adolescents the world over.
And everyone else for that matter.

[oneofsix]

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ay‎
Definition of AY. —usually used with following me to express sorrow or regret. Examples of AY. <ay me, we are doomed to listen to that noise all night!>


Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens participate equally - well that doesn't work does it, thanks to boundaries, seat thresholds and hang over seats not all votes are equal in NZ so we can't have a true democracy.


:corn:

[Oscar]

...I'd love to know why your opinions are so informed...ay...you must, by point of opinion be . more informed...you are still a cocksucker...

My opinion was in my post (i.e. it's a non-binding referendum).
Being more informed than fuckwits like you is not particularly hard.

[Berries]

I think the word that you're grasping for is "aye".
Aye should only be used by Jocks when they are agreeing to something.

Aye aye is used by sailors, and when a fit bird walks in to view.

[Oscar]

Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens participate equally - well that doesn't work does it, thanks to boundaries, seat thresholds and hang over seats not all votes are equal in NZ so we can't have a true democracy.


:corn:

In the last election the Government received 50.4% of the votes cast (with the opposition parties receiving 46.21%). 75,000* odd votes were cast for parties failing to meet the threshold or win a seat (and if these are discounted it increases the Govt vote to over 51%).
*The overwhelming majority of these votes (59,237) went to the Conservative party.
There was a one seat overhang due to the Maori & Act parties electoral seats.

Slice it anyway you like, this Govt represents a majority of the population who voted.
What part of the equation fails to meet the definition of a democracy?

[Brian d marge]

Good ole nz has no idea of the big picture. Ho hum


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[oldrider]

Asset sales is misleading, sale of asset shares is more to the point.

Sale of asset shares gives more choice to more people, it allows me as a taxpayer to leave my tax money to be distributed in other state controlled activities.

It also allows me the choice of investing my own money into the assets listed and the state still controls the major shares anyway, so nothing has changed.

Sale of asset shares also allows the government access to other outside investors money to ease up pressure on tax money for redistribution to other state spending.

The only thing opposition parties have rallied out of these share sales is scaremongering and chicken little syndrome tactics to "waste" the gains from the sales!

The referendum is a case in point ... "a disgraceful irresponsible waste of taxpayer money" IMHO! :mad:

[admenk]

Aye should only be used by Jocks when they are agreeing to something.

Jocks never agree to anything.......

[Scuba_Steve]

So you not only have a disregard for sentence structure, grammar and punctuation, you're making up your own words?
Good for you.


Definition of aye in English
aye
Pronunciation: /ʌɪ/
(also ay)

English translation of ay
ay
interj
a (expresando — dolor) ow!, ouch!; (— susto, sobresalto) oh!

What do ya know its not a made up word after all, but hey "you go right ahead with your uninformed whining" don't let me stop you.

[avgas]

In the last election the Government received 50.4% of the votes cast (with the opposition parties receiving 46.21%). 75,000* odd votes were cast for parties failing to meet the threshold or win a seat (and if these are discounted it increases the Govt vote to over 51%).
*The overwhelming majority of these votes (59,237) went to the Conservative party.
There was a one seat overhang due to the Maori & Act parties electoral seats.

Slice it anyway you like, this Govt represents a majority of the population who voted.
What part of the equation fails to meet the definition of a democracy?
"government of the people, by the people, for the people"

If Abe was the father of the modern democracy, and this was the speech of the birth of democracy. Couldn't we consider this the first principle of democracy?

Doesn't that mean that a majority of the people should say who is is power - rather than number of votes?
Using that same theory - if the people did not vote - where is the reset button that forces the govt to be formed by those who did?
i.e.
- if 70% of people vote, shouldn't government be 70% full?
- if there are 120 seats in the beehive, each seat is worth 0.8% of the people?

I could also bring up the MMP referendum where it was not the majority of 50% or more who voted to keep MMP - but infact the majority was the % who voted against it in one form or another. But because the alternatives were distributed, there was no open forum of developing better options and no clear victor was found, the largest percentage was to keep MMP.
This is the equivalent of drinking your own urine - because there are far too many other juices and drinks out there to get a consensus. Just plain dumb.

Politics will be the death of us and complacency will be its bitch.

[Oscar]

Definition of aye in English
aye
Pronunciation: /ʌɪ/
(also ay)

English translation of ay
ay
interj
a (expresando — dolor) ow!, ouch!; (— susto, sobresalto) oh!

What do ya know its not a made up word after all, but hey "you go right ahead with your uninformed whining" don't let me stop you.

Oh yeah, you're a real master of English all right. Let's have a look at the contribution in question:


thank for "democracy" ay

I can't imagine how I didn't figure out what you were on about immediately.
Your whining is not only uniformed, it's illiterate.

[Oscar]

"government of the people, by the people, for the people"

If Abe was the father of the modern democracy, and this was the speech of the birth of democracy. Couldn't we consider this the first principle of democracy?

Doesn't that mean that a majority of the people should say who is is power - rather than number of votes?
Using that same theory - if the people did not vote - where is the reset button that forces the govt to be formed by those who did?
i.e.
- if 70% of people vote, shouldn't government be 70% full?
- if there are 120 seats in the beehive, each seat is worth 0.8% of the people?

I could also bring up the MMP referendum where it was not the majority of 50% or more who voted to keep MMP - but infact the majority was the % who voted against it in one form or another. But because the alternatives were distributed, there was no open forum of developing better options and no clear victor was found, the largest percentage was to keep MMP.
This is the equivalent of drinking your own urine - because there are far too many other juices and drinks out there to get a consensus. Just plain dumb.

Politics will be the death of us and complacency will be its bitch.

I thought about that.
However, you can give people democracy, but can you make them participate in it?
There are certainly those who prefer not to participate in the election process, and is that not their right?

That path leads to compulsory voting.

[Berries]

That path leads to compulsory voting.
Having never given enough of a shit to vote I don't see what compulsion will achieve. I'd only vote for the person/party who didn't have a chance, just for a laugh. If they got in we'd be even more fucked than if any of the usual suspects did.


Possibly.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I thought about that.
However, you can give people democracy, but can you make them participate in it?
There are certainly those who prefer not to participate in the election process, and is that not their right?

That path leads to compulsory voting.

And thats an issue how?

Serious question.

In my opinion a compulsory exercise of a hard won franchise might lead to some improvement in the product. Yes, i can see the counter arguments ( dont bother reiterating them to me unless you have something other than the trite "its not democracy if you are forced to participate").

What our democracy lacks is informed, committed to the process, thougtful management. What we have is the best politicians money can buy. No, i dont think they are all Philip Field, I mean large corporates, influence groups, and particularly those associated with business sectors have the most money to spend, and weld the most influence. People are disillusioned, and the superficial attractivenes of the Russell Brand "It makes no difference so I will not participate" becomes their mantra.

If you had to participate, and things like civics ad ethics were taugt in schools, then maybe peoples qualit of participation as well as the fact of having to, migt improve?

[avgas]

However, you can give people democracy, but can you make them participate in it?
There are certainly those who prefer not to participate in the election process, and is that not their right?

That path leads to compulsory voting.
No it doesn't.
What it does force is someone to look and act on the numbers. Right now we are saying that the vote is all that counts. That logic is flawed. That is the logic that gets me in trouble with most women out there. It is not just what people say that counts. IT IS WHAT THEY DON'T SAY ALSO.

If I do 80% of a job, I am entitled to 80% pay.
So if the government gets 80% of the vote - why are we filling the house?

Why should 80% voter turn out = 100% government?

Let me put it another way - you can eat shit, or drink piss.
If you pick nothing, should I put both in a blender and shove it down your throat? Or does your abstaining actually mean you would prefer to not drink piss nor eat shit?
Which one makes more sense - allowing a govt to take power when people don't like one party over another - or allowing the same ratio of what people voted for to take the same ratio of power?

[Ocean1]

And thats an issue how?

I like the fact that people that can't be fukt voting don't unduly influence my life, they're invariably the ones least qualified to do so.


In my opinion a compulsory exercise of a hard won franchise might lead to some improvement in the product. Yes, i can see the counter arguments ( dont bother reiterating them to me unless you have something other than the trite "its not democracy if you are forced to participate").

So, you're saying: "Vote, because you must exercise your opinion no matter how well reasoned", and also: "Don't bother exercising your opinion where it contradicts mine unless it's well qualified."?

Nah, can't be fukt.

[Ocean1]

Maybe I can.


What we have is the best politicians money can buy. No, i dont think they are all Philip Field, I mean large corporates, influence groups, and particularly those associated with business sectors have the most money to spend, and weld the most influence.

What we have is the best government that VOTES can buy. Which is what any collection of people driven primarily by self interest deserve. If people voted on principle rather than what's in it for them, and if government was constrained by the resulting mandate then you'd have rather a lot more economic consequence with which to manage what is, after all an exercise in economic management.

[Banditbandit]

Extreme lefties tend to be immature mommies boys and girls but thankfully a lot them grow out of it as they experience the real world and life!

You think the Greens are extreme left ??? :rofl: :killingme; :clap: :rofl: :killingme


Asset sales is misleading, sale of asset shares is more to the point.

Sale of asset shares gives more choice to more people, it allows me as a taxpayer to leave my tax money to be distributed in other state controlled activities.

It also allows me the choice of investing my own money into the assets listed and the state still controls the major shares anyway, so nothing has changed.

Sale of asset shares also allows the government access to other outside investors money to ease up pressure on tax money for redistribution to other state spending.

The only thing opposition parties have rallied out of these share sales is scaremongering and chicken little syndrome tactics to "waste" the gains from the sales!

The referendum is a case in point ... "a disgraceful irresponsible waste of taxpayer money" IMHO! :mad:


Bwhahahahaa .. when opinion polls show 68% of New Zealanders do not want the sales to go ahead???



I thought about that.
However, you can give people democracy, but can you make them participate in it?
There are certainly those who prefer not to participate in the election process, and is that not their right?

That path leads to compulsory voting.

Al la that bunch of godless convicts across the ditch ??? (also known as Austra'ya ... )

[BoristheBiter]

Bwhahahahaa .. when opinion polls show 68% of New Zealanders do not want the sales to go ahead???



the anti smacking one, the tougher sentences one.
When they are not a binding referendum then yes, they are a complete waste of money.

The nats have already said they are going to ignore it.
Pointless wasting the postage to send it back, it has already gone it the bin (recycling of course)

[Banditbandit]

the anti smacking one, the tougher sentences one.
When they are not a binding referendum then yes, they are a complete waste of money.

The nats have already said they are going to ignore it.
Pointless wasting the postage to send it back, it has already gone it the bin (recycling of course)

Yeah .. I agree that a non-binding referendum is a waste of time .. the Government could have declared it a binding one .. but the chickenshits refused to.

[Scuba_Steve]

Yeah .. I agree that a non-binding referendum is a waste of time .. the Government could have declared it a binding one .. but the chickenshits refused to.

If we had democracy they'd be binding, as well they should be.

We just need a coup d'état, that'd at-least be entertaining & cost a lot less too :devil2:

[BoristheBiter]

Yeah .. I agree that a non-binding referendum is a waste of time .. the Government could have declared it a binding one .. but the chickenshits refused to.

Actually i have no time for this as they (the nats) said exactly what they were going to do.

If 68% of the population didn't want it then they should have voted some one else in.
not that there is much of a choice but it is a bit late crying about it now.

Guess you will just have to vote Labour/ greens and let them buy it back at a massive loss to the country.
You know, like kiwi rail. but not to worry the greens will just print more money because we know that works.

[Brian d marge]

Yes they are doing exactly what they said they would do
And its a fiscally responsible short term action
It doesnt make it right though
And there may be better ways
Stephen

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[oldrider]

Yeah .. I agree that a non-binding referendum is a waste of time .. the Government could have declared it a binding one .. but the chickenshits refused to.

Yeah right! ... They didn't need too, they did that at the previous election ... you know ... the one that the real "chickenshits" lost! :whistle:

[avgas]

If we had democracy they'd be binding, as well they should be.

We just need a coup d'état, that'd at-least be entertaining & cost a lot less too :devil2:
We need a riot. I proper riot.
We need people on the streets showing the government where their power comes from.

Right now we are giving the sods whatever they ask. Why? Well it doesn't seem to affect us anymore. They can't kill us, just have us locked up. They can't starve us, just make sure things are expensive. They can't rob us, just tax us in increasing amounts.

And we bend-over for it. Better yet. We vote to get them in there and then say "thank you sir - I voted for you sir" as they fuck us in the arse.

[Brian d marge]

Hey im up for that
Just bought me some new weaponary. .
Turns out you can buy almost anything on amazon

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[SPman]

The referendum is a case in point ... "a disgraceful irresponsible waste of taxpayer money" IMHO! :mad:

But the $30 million given to Rio Tinto wasn't?


Bugger me, this place sounds more and more like an offshoot of Fox news........

[avgas]

But the $30 million given to Rio Tinto wasn't?
Bugger me, this place sounds more and more like an offshoot of Fox news........
Funny you mention that.....seems an old dog can learn new tricks.....

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/11/14/obamacare-architect-ezekiel-emanuel-blames-fox-news-websites-failure
After 3 minutes it gets quite heated.

[Banditbandit]

Actually i have no time for this as they (the nats) said exactly what they were going to do.

If 68% of the population didn't want it then they should have voted some one else in.
not that there is much of a choice but it is a bit late crying about it now.

Guess you will just have to vote Labour/ greens and let them buy it back at a massive loss to the country.
You know, like kiwi rail. but not to worry the greens will just print more money because we know that works.


Yeah right! ... They didn't need too, they did that at the previous election ... you know ... the one that the real "chickenshits" lost! :whistle:


Yeah ?? When did they make it clear ??? There were some small hints before the last election - but I don't rememebr National makign it xclear they were goign to sell state assetsd again ...

At least, with 68% agianst the sales (and the value of the shares driopping0 there's a good chance the wide boys won't win the next election ...


But the $30 million given to Rio Tinto wasn't?


Bugger me, this place sounds more and more like an offshoot of Fox news........

Yeah ... it is that ..

[oldrider]

Yeah ?? When did they make it clear ??? There were some small hints before the last election - but I don't rememebr National makign it xclear they were goign to sell state assetsd again ...

You didn't listen or read it because you were not going to vote for them anyway, you only read the things said by the people you were interested in!

Just like the other 68% that you quote ... they didn't listen either because they didn't think their (chickenshit) parties would be rejected like they were! :thud:

They probably all voted for MMP as well and now they don't like what it gives them they are crying :cry: about it!

[Banditbandit]

You didn't listen or read it because you were not going to vote for them anyway, you only read the things said by the people you were interested in!

That was .. NONE OF THEM .. I seriously consider each election whether I'm going to vote ... but too many people died getting a universal franchise ... so I don't forego the somewhat dubious pleasure ... but I don't listen to the shitheads .. I give a protest vote ..


Just like the other 68% that you quote ... they didn't listen either because they didn't think their (chickenshit) parties would be rejected like they were! :thud:

I don't have a party - I don't support any of the shitheads ... I knew Key would win .. The only question was would the Māori party stay with the Nats - and that was pretty sure they would again ... dumb dumb dumb ...

I thought Key was a bit more of a populist and might not sell assets .. but then, he's a trader by profession and that's how he runs this country - trade everything .. it's his only answer ..


They probably all voted for MMP as well and now they don't like what it gives them they are crying :cry: about it!

Voting has NEVER given me what I want ... so changing the system made no difference ... but then I hear the right crying about MMP when the left wins and the left crying about MMP when the right wins ...

Fucking politics ... all bullshit ...

[oldrider]

Fucking politics ... all bullshit ...

We are in synch ... have a happy day. :sunny:

[BoristheBiter]

We need a riot. I proper riot.
We need people on the streets showing the government where their power comes from.

Right now we are giving the sods whatever they ask. Why? Well it doesn't seem to affect us anymore. They can't kill us, just have us locked up. They can't starve us, just make sure things are expensive. They can't rob us, just tax us in increasing amounts.

And we bend-over for it. Better yet. We vote to get them in there and then say "thank you sir - I voted for you sir" as they fuck us in the arse.

Just make sure you label yourself so I know whom i'm shooting at.

[BoristheBiter]

Yeah ?? When did they make it clear ??? There were some small hints before the last election - but I don't rememebr National makign it xclear they were goign to sell state assetsd again ...

At least, with 68% agianst the sales (and the value of the shares driopping0 there's a good chance the wide boys won't win the next election ...



Yeah ... it is that ..

So you're not so informed as you like to think you are.
But you're not alone on that.

[oldrider]

Actually I would have voted for the Maori Party at the last election but I was not able to do that, I was not able to go onto the Maori roll either! :facepalm:

(Seems like separate development which used to be called apartheid in South Africa but maybe it's still required here for a little while longer yet.) :o

I like the way that the advent of the Maori Party (via MMP) has given "Maori" (right or wrong, just my opinion) a greater presence in national politics!

Unfortunately it appears that minor parties that run with the major parties carry far too much of the blame for what the major coalition partner does that's unpopular!

Hardly just criticism but that's the way it turns out, maybe the Maori party should just agree to limit their support to confidence and supply!

The best thing that Maori ever did was break their demeaning grip on the Labour party's apron strings and stand on their own two feet. RESPECT for that! :yes:

[Banditbandit]

So you're not so informed as you like to think you are.
But you're not alone on that.

I'd be intrigued to know how you know how well informed I think I am ...

[MisterD]

Yeah ?? When did they make it clear ??? There were some small hints before the last election - but I don't rememebr National makign it xclear they were goign to sell state assetsd again ...

At least, with 68% agianst the sales (and the value of the shares driopping0 there's a good chance the wide boys won't win the next election ...

Jaysus, were you under a rock at the last election? It was pretty much the central feature of their manifesto and Phil Goff declared that the election was going to be "a referendum on asset sales".

The thing about that 68% is that there's a bloody big chunk of it that's "on balance, I'd rather the government didn't sell, but I'm not so opposed that I'd risk a government with Russel Norman as finance minister".

It's like MasterD when he's told to go to bed, which he claims to be strongly opposed to the idea of. Give him a more sophisticated decision like "if you don't go to bed, you don't get to play on the iPad" and his voting pattern changes.

[BoristheBiter]

I'd be intrigued to know how you know how well informed I think I am ...

I would like to think you think you're well informed otherwise to think you think you're not well informed would make me think................ oh fuck it i hate thinking please carry on.

[SPman]

Actually I would have voted for the Maori Party at the last election but I was not able to do that, I was not able to go onto the Maori roll either! :facepalm:

(Seems like separate development which used to be called apartheid in South Africa but maybe it's still required here for a little while longer yet.) :o

I like the way that the advent of the Maori Party (via MMP) has given "Maori" (right or wrong, just my opinion) a greater presence in national politics!

Unfortunately it appears that minor parties that run with the major parties carry far too much of the blame for what the major coalition partner does that's unpopular!

Hardly just criticism but that's the way it turns out, maybe the Maori party should just agree to limit their support to confidence and supply!

The best thing that Maori ever did was break their demeaning grip on the Labour party's apron strings and stand on their own two feet. RESPECT for that! :yes:

You could have, you know - you don't have to be on the Maori Roll.
I party voted MP for 2 elections, then, when they went with the nats, and had to swallow too many dead rats to retain any degree of credibility, I voted Mana ..........
Now, I'd just like to vote out the barrel of a .308............

[HenryDorsetCase]

You could have, you know - you don't have to be on the Maori Roll.
I party voted MP for 2 elections, then, when they went with the nats, and had to swallow too many dead rats to retain any degree of credibility, I voted Mana ..........
Now, I'd just like to vote out the barrel of a .308............

MWBjwgxEawo

a song for you....

[oldrider]

You could have, you know - you don't have to be on the Maori Roll.
I party voted MP for 2 elections, then, when they went with the nats, and had to swallow too many dead rats to retain any degree of credibility, I voted Mana .............................. (Mana ...There's a dead rat right there!)
Now, I'd just like to vote out the barrel of a .308............

Ouch ... you must be having a bad day!

I made enquiries through the electoral office and some other government department (can't remember now) and they were adamant! :oi-grr:

[Winston001]

Bwhahahahaa .. when opinion polls show 68% of New Zealanders do not want the sales to go ahead???



So lets deal with this hollow argument - which many people make not just you BB.

The National Party manifesto was very clear at the last election - they proposed selling 49% of the power companies. If you didn't agree, vote elsewhere.

Most people didn't like it but overall, voted for National as the most preferred party.

There was your referendum right there.

Every political party has a set of ideas and individually there are ideas we do not like. So it then becomes a judgement as to which party you think has the best ideas despite the odd dead rat in the mix.

Then you cast your votes. FYI my votes were National and Green. I cherish our environment and do not want National and Labour to be too relaxed.

[Winston001]

...opinion polls show 68% of New Zealanders do not want the sales to go ahead!



This points up the problems inherent with opinion polls and referenda. Ask any question and you will get a populist answer.

"Should GST be abandoned?" - Answer - 93% - YES.

"Should prison sentences be fully served?" - Answer - 96% - YES.

"Should all tax rates rise to pay for the extra prisons?" - Answer 81% - NO.

You can go on and on but the central point is, the average person does not have enough information to give intelligent considered answers to simplistic questions. Which ultimately is why we elect MPs to do the worrying for us. Its not an easy job.

[Brian d marge]

Im also going with the environment as my number one issue , I mean I can eat a rabbit but , $40 us dollars , even if mixed in an omelet tastes terrible

So any party who does that gets my vote

IN THE MEANTIME you need a fiscally responsible GOVERNMENT ( not a separate treasury ) to keep the bond rates low IF we are to remain on the worlds stage using the current monetary system ( which cant last for long!)

So voting is a good thing as long as you realize they are all talking out of their arse ,,,,( as long as they /we keep pumping debt into the system were doomed I tell ye )

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Stephen

[avgas]

This points up the problems inherent with opinion polls and referenda. Ask any question and you will get a populist answer.

"Should GST be abandoned?" - Answer - 93% - YES.

"Should prison sentences be fully served?" - Answer - 96% - YES.

"Should all tax rates rise to pay for the extra prisons?" - Answer 81% - NO.

You can go on and on but the central point is, the average person does not have enough information to give intelligent considered answers to simplistic questions. Which ultimately is why we elect MPs to do the worrying for us. Its not an easy job.
Common misconception.
Many things are driven by the people. The banks we choose, the food we eat, our entire lives.

While you will never get a consensus about a topic - doesn't mean you should hand your responsibility for that topic for someone else to decide. Instead a compromise should be found. In a compromise both parties lose a little and the middle ground is found.

Should GST be abandoned? No - but is it right the way it is - possibly right. So perhaps we look at what we are spending GST on before trying to remove or reduce it.

Should full prison sentences be served - definitely. Otherwise why have a judge? May as well have a machine that spits out a random number for the amount of time of prison. Fact is that if the full sentence is consistently not served, we need to change the amount given - not fudge it at the other end.

Should tax pay for more prisons? Is tax the only way to make money? Could the prisons not become factories with a free workforce? Or are we being blind and deaf as well as dumb when it comes to topics?

People are smarter that they have ever been - but their choices are limited to "yes/no" or "Vote". Rather than "submit a proposal".
Until this changes we will continue to make dumb choices due to poor questioning.

But no - keep voting and placing your entire faith in someone else. I am sure they will do a wonderful job for you and if they don't you can always bitch and moan about how the world hasn't changed in your lifetime and you face the same problem your parents did.

Or we could have real change in society.

[avgas]

So voting is a good thing as long as you realize they are all talking out of their arse
That is the same as saying serial rapists are good people once you get past the rape bit.

[Banditbandit]

So lets deal with this hollow argument - which many people make not just you BB.

The National Party manifesto was very clear at the last election - they proposed selling 49% of the power companies. If you didn't agree, vote elsewhere.

Most people didn't like it but overall, voted for National as the most preferred party.

There was your referendum right there.

Every political party has a set of ideas and individually there are ideas we do not like. So it then becomes a judgement as to which party you think has the best ideas despite the odd dead rat in the mix.

Then you cast your votes. FYI my votes were National and Green. I cherish our environment and do not want National and Labour to be too relaxed.

Oh the idealism of the Right ... do you seriously believe that ??? After all these years of election promises which are then broken or misplaced or ignored ...

Do you seriously believe what the parties say at elections - which is just to get elected ??? Said to gain power ???

And here I thought that the left was idealistic ..

[Brian d marge]

That is the same as saying serial rapists are good people once you get past the rape bit.

Yup bad aint it

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[Ocean1]

Oh the idealism of the Right ... do you seriously believe that ??? After all these years of election promises which are then broken or misplaced or ignored ...

Do you seriously believe what the parties say at elections - which is just to get elected ??? Said to gain power ???

Either National are a bunch of cunts for not following through on their election promises to sell asset shares, or they're a buch of cunts for keeping that promise?

Good to see the loony left continue to want to eat their cake and keep it.


Or was that someone else's cake?

[SPman]

Or was that someone else's cake? No, it was our cake, but the idealogues sold half to their mates to eat.


You can go on and on but the central point is, the average person does not have enough information to give intelligent considered answers to simplistic questions. Which ultimately is why we elect MPs to do the worrying for us. Its not an easy job.

To quote Thomas Jefferson....

- Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.

- I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.

Given the current track record of politicians, I think a lot of average people have more information and are making more intelligent considered answers than the pollies are - shit some of them are thick! (that's apart from ego-centric, venal, sly, condescending, sociopathic, etc etc.....)

[BoristheBiter]

No, it was our cake, but the idealogues sold half to their mates to eat.



Given the current track record of politicians, I think a lot of average people have more information and are making more intelligent considered answers than the pollies are - shit some of them are thick! (that's apart from ego-centric, venal, sly, condescending, sociopathic, etc etc.....)

No it was my cake not yours....... see where this thinking ends up ends up.


So just like KB then.

[Banditbandit]

Either National are a bunch of cunts for not following through on their election promises to sell asset shares, or they're a buch of cunts for not keeping that promise?

Good to see the loony left continue to want to eat their cake and keep it.


Or was that someone else's cake?

Oh sorry - I wasn't just referring to the Nats ... sorry if you gained that impression ... I meant ALL parties .. both left and right ...

[Akzle]

I mean I can eat a rabbit but , $40 us dollars , even if mixed in an omelet tastes terrible


so youre suggesting rabbits as currency?


So just like KB then.

i reckon kb would be an epic government. Smokey can have the immigration portfolio, i got dibs on drugs and transport/roading, mashy gets education...i think rastus can have policing.
You. You can clean the toilets.

[Brian d marge]

Whom ever controls the quantity of money has the power
Though the inflation rate might be a touch high when using rabbits

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[Ocean1]

Oh sorry - I wasn't just referring to the Nats ... sorry if you gained that impression ... I meant ALL parties .. both left and right ...

No you weren't. You were replying to a comment about National's election manifesto, referring to "the idealism of the Right".

And you claimed that their election promises were "broken or misplaced or ignored". Which, with regard to the asset share sales you're bitching about is a load of codswallop.

[BoristheBiter]

so youre suggesting rabbits as currency?


i reckon kb would be an epic government. Smokey can have the immigration portfolio, i got dibs on drugs and transport/roading, mashy gets education...i think rastus can have policing.
You. You can clean the toilets.

No i'll have justice and bring back the death penalty. You will be the first cunt i shoot.

[mashman]

No i'll have justice and bring back the death penalty. You will be the first cunt i shoot.

Calm down judge dredd. Although I agree with you in regards to the death penalty.

[Akzle]

Whom ever controls the quantity of money has the power
Though the inflation rate might be a touch high when using rabbits

So. Nature/god would control it....surely only jews would have a problem with that....

No i'll have justice and bring back the death penalty. You will be the first cunt i shoot.
fair High aspirations for a fuken janitor...

[avgas]

Given the current track record of politicians, I think a lot of average people have more information and are making more intelligent considered answers than the pollies are - shit some of them are thick! (that's apart from ego-centric, venal, sly, condescending, sociopathic, etc etc.....)
"The smart money is not in politics. It's out of politics."
-Anon

I still think the majority is relatively stupid. They vote other people to think, and think the world will be benefited by their voting in other people.
The rest will vote with their actions (often just feet).

[BoristheBiter]

"The smart money is not in politics. It's out of politics."
-Anon

I still think the majority is relatively stupid. They vote other people to think, and think the world will be benefited by their voting in other people.
The rest will vote with their actions (often just feet).

You should come up with your own quotes instead of posting everyone else's, makes you look like you can't think for yourself.

[BoristheBiter]

So. Nature/god would control it....surely only jews would have a problem with that....

fair High aspirations for a fuken janitor...

Say's the POS that isn't part of society.

[MisterD]

So. Nature/god would control it...

No, I reckon it'd be the men with guns, same as now.

[Banditbandit]

No you weren't. You were replying to a comment about National's election manifesto, referring to "the idealism of the Right".

Yes - I can see how you misunderstood what I said The 'idealism of the right" was a somewhat ironic comment - referencing similar comments about the left ... But yes, I did mean all parties ...


And you claimed that their election promises were "broken or misplaced or ignored".

I'm not sure that comment was meant only about the nats either .. but hei aha ...


Which, with regard to the asset share sales you're bitching about is a load of codswallop.

I accept that my comments about the Nats not saying they were going to sell assets was wrong ..

[BoristheBiter]

Yes - I can see how you misunderstood what I said The 'idealism of the right" was a somewhat ironic comment - referencing similar commetns abotu the left ... But yes, I did mean all parties ...



I'm not sure that commtn was meant ionly about the nats either .. but hei aha ...



I accept that my comments about the Nats not saying they were going to sell assets was wrong ..

Yours drugs must be good today, all this agreement will get us nowhere.:spanking:

[Banditbandit]

Yours drugs must be good today, all this agreement will get us nowhere.:spanking:

:rofl: "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BoristheBiter again."

[Akzle]

No, I reckon it'd be the men with guns, same as now.

would contol rabbits?
Lmfao. It'd be funny to watch.

[avgas]

You should come up with your own quotes instead of posting everyone else's, makes you look like you can't think for yourself.
Have you met that anon dude - he is fucking everywhere.
Smart too.

[BoristheBiter]

Have you met that anon dude - he is fucking everywhere.
Smart too.

I think he just nicks them too........ :facepalm:sarcasm just doesn't work on here.

[Brian d marge]

Go the pope !

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Stephen

[Ocean1]

Go the pope !

You're quoting the leader of the most wealthy organisation on the planet about the evils of material gain?

And I assume you're quoting this in support of your usual rant about the evels of a fiscal concept thousands of years old?

In which case it's got to be up there as one of your least enlightened observations.

Though even your most hypocritical efforts pale beside any comment whatsoever from the Vatican about the acquisition of wealth. Indeed, if others with the wherewithal to indulge in those same activities were permitted to do so you'd be bleating a damned sight louder about their efforts than you currently do. At least you would be until you were, shall we say: supressed.

[oldrider]

The learned elders of the banking system of the world will be scratching around in their basements looking for suitable wood and nails with which to despatch this Pope!

I wonder if they will want to scourge him and all that jazz as well ... it's going to be interesting I'm sure! :corn:

[Brian d marge]

You're quoting the leader of the most wealthy organisation on the planet about the evils of material gain?

And I assume you're quoting this in support of your usual rant about the evels of a fiscal concept thousands of years old?

In which case it's got to be up there as one of your least enlightened observations.

Though even your most hypocritical efforts pale beside any comment whatsoever from the Vatican about the acquisition of wealth. Indeed, if others with the wherewithal to indulge in those same activities were permitted to do so you'd be bleating a damned sight louder about their efforts than you currently do. At least you would be until you were, shall we say: supressed.
So you missed the irony in it and fail to see the significance

At least you are constant

They should abandon physical constants use u as a bench mark

They would be able to land a rocket on a postage-stamp on cirrius minor


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[Zedder]

The learned elders of the banking system of the world will be scratching around in their basements looking for suitable wood and nails with which to despatch this Pope!

I wonder if they will want to scourge him and all that jazz as well ... it's going to be interesting I'm sure! :corn:

They're probably wondering what drugs he's on more like.

The Institute Of Religious works (Vatican bank) made 86.6 million Euros profit last year and has 4.98 billion Euros in assets and 769 million in equity funds plus 41.3 million in gold coins and other precious metals. Also, they have a stake in an Italian real estate company and received 2 million Euros worth of property inheritances as well.

[avgas]

heh
The Pope vs The Banker

Two men enter, one man leaves.......the world wins

[Ocean1]

So you missed the irony in it and fail to see the significance


If you try again, a bit harder perhaps, you'll see that I made particular note of the irony of you quoting the pope ranting about wealth acquisition.

But then, trying as you often are it's not something you often actually do...

[Ocean1]

heh
The Pope vs The Banker

Two men enter, one man leaves.......the world wins

Why stop at two? I've got a comprehensive list of candidates.


And some really sharp stuff to throw in after them.

[mashman]

Go the pope !
Stephen

The Pope, Brand and Paxman?

[Brian d marge]

If you try again, a bit harder perhaps, you'll see that I made particular note of the irony of you quoting the pope ranting about wealth acquisition.

But then, trying as you often are it's not something you often actually do...

If you had stopped at the end of the first sentence
Maybe i would have had a fighting chance


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[avgas]

Why stop at two? I've got a comprehensive list of candidates.
And some really sharp stuff to throw in after them.
Because I have learnt a thing or 2 from the Romans. Namely discretion and patience is required to do something properly.

[Ocean1]

Because I have learnt a thing or 2 from the Romans. Namely discretion and patience is required to do something properly.

Meh. Nothing succeeds like excess.

[Swoop]

Nice to hear about the reaction of the PM, when Cunliffe was voted in as leader of the liarbour party...

[Scuba_Steve]

meh seems as good a place as any for this...

These guys usually talk games (behind the scenes of games) but this one's politics tho from a kinda game design prospective; admittedly this is about US politics but it's equally relevant here, so have a listen to some sensible wisdom


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa-vQ0L77LY

[avgas]

and if 80% of government is voted for, they should receive 80% pay.
That would make some sense wouldn't it?

[BoristheBiter]

and if 80% of government is voted for, they should receive 80% pay.
That would make some sense wouldn't it?

Only if the 20% that didn't vote is removed from the country for "not giving a shit".

[Akzle]

Only if the 20% that didn't vote is removed from the country for "not giving a shit".

i give ten kinds of shit. Fuck knows what that has to do with politicians tho...

Maybe the 80% that vote should be put on a little island with those they vote for, then it becomes some kind of survival game, and they can vote every week, and they could film it and put it on television....

[Banditbandit]

Only if the 20% that didn't vote is removed from the country for "not giving a shit".

Naaa .. voting is a non-contributory exercise ...


That 20% still pay taxes and contribute ..

[Banditbandit]

i give ten kinds of shit. Fuck knows what that has to do with politicians tho...

Maybe the 80% that vote should be put on a little island with those they vote for, then it becomes some kind of survival game, and they can vote every week, and they could film it and put it on television....

Yeah right .. like, we need another game show on that format ..

[BoristheBiter]

i give ten kinds of shit. Fuck knows what that has to do with politicians tho...

Maybe the 80% that vote should be put on a little island with those they vote for, then it becomes some kind of survival game, and they can vote every week, and they could film it and put it on television....

Only in your own mind.

Funny we do live on a few little islands. maybe we should have teams called the north and south.

[BoristheBiter]

Naaa .. voting is a non-contributory exercise ...


That 20% still pay taxes and contribute ..

But do they?

[oldrider]

Only in your own mind.

Funny we do live on a few little islands. maybe we should have teams called the north and south.

Why do we in NZ always refer to "The" South Island or "The" North Island? They are simply named "North Island" and "South Island" ... no the!

We don't go round saying "The Stewart" or "The Australia" or "The Tasmania" or "The Kapiti or "The Fiji" so why say "The" South Island? :rolleyes:

North Island and South Island sounds much better! :niceone: ... (Not a criticism of BoristheBiter by the way, he didn't actually say that. TV and radio do!)

[BoristheBiter]

Why do we in NZ always refer to "The" South Island or "The" North Island? They are simply named "North Island" and "South Island" ... no the!

We don't go round saying "The Stewart" or "The Australia" or "The Tasmania" or "The Kapiti or "The Fiji" so why say "The" South Island? :rolleyes:

North Island and South Island sounds much better! :niceone: ... (Not a criticism of BoristheBiter by the way, he didn't actually say that. TV and radio do!)

Who knows just one of those things we pick up like why do most people say john keys or we have a road up here that everyone calls east coast bays road when its only east coast road.
I think it's called bad English.

[Oscar]

Why do we in NZ always refer to "The" South Island or "The" North Island? They are simply named "North Island" and "South Island" ... no the!

We don't go round saying "The Stewart" or "The Australia" or "The Tasmania" or "The Kapiti or "The Fiji" so why say "The" South Island? :rolleyes:

North Island and South Island sounds much better! :niceone: ... (Not a criticism of BoristheBiter by the way, he didn't actually say that. TV and radio do!)

I vaguely recall having some of that explained to me once - why we say "The Waikato" and "The Taranaki", but not "The Otago".
Pity I can't fucking remember...:weep:

Edit.
I think I found it - the definitive article is used in front of descriptive geographical names for areas "The Middle East" "The North". In the case of places like Waikato and Taranaki, these used to part of a larger province (Auckland and Wellington respectively), and weren't officially entities in their own right. So they were "The Waikato" (as in "I'm going down the Waikato" or "..up the Taranaki")

[oneofsix]

I vaguely recall having some of that explained to me once - why we say "The Waikato" and "The Taranaki", but not "The Otago".
Pity I can't fucking remember...:weep:

could be that you are refering to objects not just names. The Waikato comes from the river, easily transferred to the region. There is no Otago object. The south island refers to the main island to the south where as South Island is its name and just as often used. Steward Island would be the southern island or the little island but its name doesn't have a double usage. Just a theory.

Actually do people really refer to the Taranaki? I have heard "the Naki" as a nickname for Taranaki but can't recall anyone saying "the Taranaki". Perhaps that one is more to due with "the Naki" and people backwardly porting the phrase.

[Oscar]

More Edit:
http://www.grammarly.com/handbook/grammar/articles/12/geographical-use-of-definite-article-the/


Geographical Use of Definite Article The

English uses the definite article the in front of some geographical names but not in front of others. If in doubt, your best bet is to look it up in a dictionary or online. Here’s a general list of guidelines:

Do not use the before the name of:

most countries or territories (e.g. Canada, China, New Zealand)
towns, cities or states (e.g. Ottawa, Paris, California/
streets (e.g. Front Street, Lakeview Avenue, Dogwood Crescent)
lakes (e.g. Lake Ontario, Lake Placid, Bear Lake)
bays, where the term bay comes after the name (e.g. the Bay of Fundy)
mountains (e.g. Mount Everest, Mount Kilimanjaro)
continents (e.g. North America, Africa)
islands (e.g. Fiji Islands, Prince Edward Island)

Do use the before the name of:

rivers, oceans, seas (e.g. the Mississippi River, the Atlantic Ocean, the Mediterranean)
bays, where the term bay comes first (e.g. the Bay of Fundy, the Bay of Bengal)
gulfs and peninsulas (e.g. the Persian Gulf, the Arabian Peninsula)
mountain ranges (e.g. the Rockies, the Dolomites, the Laurentians)
points on the globe (e.g. the Equator, the North Pole)
geographical areas (e.g. the Middle East, the South)
deserts and forests (e.g. the Gobi Desert, the Black Forest)

N.B. Language is always changing. Fifty years ago, Argentina was known as the Argentine, and the Balkan Islands always had the definite article in front of it. In many places, formal writing may accept the use of the word Argentina, and people may say, “I come from Balkan Islands.”

[Oscar]

could be that you are refering to objects not just names. The Waikato comes from the river, easily transferred to the region. The Taranaki is the mountain. There is no Otago object. The south island refers to the main island to the south where as South Island is its name and just as often used. Steward Island would be the southern island or the little island but its name doesn't have a double usage. Just a theory.

Yup. If you add that to my much less elegant and more long winded explanation, you have it.

[ellipsis]

...if you say, "cunts in the North Island (or South Island), it seems to signify all those who live therein, whereas, "the" cunts in the North Island (or South Island), leaves it somewhat up to those who may wish to own up to being one of the aforementioned people (cunts)...

[pete376403]

[QUOTE=Oscar;1130651961]More Edit:
[URL="http://www.grammarly.com/handbook/grammar/articles/12/geographical-use-of-definite-article-the/"]http://www.grammarly.com/handbook/grammar/articles/12/geographical-use-of-definite-article-the/[/URL
Geographical Use of Definite Article The

English uses the definite article the in front of some geographical names but not in front of others. If in doubt, your best bet is to look it up in a dictionary or online. Here’s a general list of guidelines:

Do not use the before the name of:

bays, where the term bay comes after the name (e.g. the Bay of Fundy)

Do use the before the name of:

bays, where the term bay comes first (e.g. the Bay of Fundy, [QUOTE]

Not a good choice of examples.

[Brian d marge]

from that article
N.B. Language is always changing. Fifty years ago, Argentina was known as the Argentine, and the Balkan Islands always had the definite article in front of it. In many places, formal writing may accept the use of the word Argentina, and people may say, “I come from Balkan Islands.”

and just because I can, I’m going to boldly go + use :)

Stephen

[Scuba_Steve]

meh seems as good a place as any for this...

These guys usually talk games (behind the scenes of games) but this one's politics tho from a kinda game design prospective; admittedly this is about US politics but it's equally relevant here, so have a listen to some sensible wisdom

[Vid goes here]

And the last vid related to the one in the post above, I skipped out the 2nd one as it doesn't really relate to NZ at all but if you want to see it I'm sure you know how to find it, anyways video time


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X2es__Wtuk

[Scuba_Steve]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1531881_398801573587961_1508927608_n.jpg

[avgas]

Only if the 20% that didn't vote is removed from the country for "not giving a shit".
So you would be left with the unemployed and the government. Good luck.

[avgas]

But do they?
Possibly. Seeing as they are too busy working trying to fix the country rather than trying to vote for people they don't care about.
But no keep relying on your belief that everything that happens in NZ does so because the beehive ordered it.

I mean they are the government - everything must go through them. Right??

Out of interest if I gave you 3 colours, red, blue, green and told you that you had to pick one. But didn't tell you why or what it means - who would you pick?
(Hint this is like one of those pick a path books - I will tell you the page number when you tell me your choice......exciting isn't it)

[avgas]

And the last vid related to the one in the post above, I skipped out the 2nd one as it doesn't really relate to NZ at all but if you want to see it I'm sure you know how to find it, anyways video time
I wouldn't say that is 100% true. When I watched the second vid the first thing that came to mind was certain politicians who forgot who paid them in the past or what shares they held in particular firms.
Also I always laugh at the Labour / UN connection.......its almost creepy now.

[mashman]

Possibly. Seeing as they are too busy working trying to fix the country rather than trying to vote for people they don't care about.
But no keep relying on your belief that everything that happens in NZ does so because the beehive ordered it.

I mean they are the government - everything must go through them. Right??

Out of interest if I gave you 3 colours, red, blue, green and told you that you had to pick one. But didn't tell you why or what it means - who would you pick?
(Hint this is like one of those pick a path books - I will tell you the page number when you tell me your choice......exciting isn't it)

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3109570816/h257451F9/

[BoristheBiter]

Possibly. Seeing as they are too busy working trying to fix the country rather than trying to vote for people they don't care about.
But no keep relying on your belief that everything that happens in NZ does so because the beehive ordered it.

I mean they are the government - everything must go through them. Right??

Out of interest if I gave you 3 colours, red, blue, green and told you that you had to pick one. But didn't tell you why or what it means - who would you pick?
(Hint this is like one of those pick a path books - I will tell you the page number when you tell me your choice......exciting isn't it)

Got anything to even remotely back that up?

Sorry I wont pick a colour as I'm changing the system by doing nothing.

[mashman]

Sorry I wont pick a colour as I'm changing the system by doing nothing.

Finally someone who admits that their vote changes nothing.

[BoristheBiter]

Finally someone who admits that their vote changes nothing.

Just like your rantings.

[avgas]

Got anything to even remotely back that up?

Sorry I wont pick a colour as I'm changing the system by doing nothing.
Backing up possibilities?
No sorry I am not in politics.

Do you have something that states everyone who doesn't vote doesn't pay tax? Or care?
Cos man do I have a statistic for you.......

I am not asking you to change the system or even influence it........all I ask is that you pick a colour. Red, Blue or Green?
Or do you not like any of these colours? If so what are you going to do about it?

[BoristheBiter]

Backing up possibilities?
No sorry I am not in politics.

Do you have something that states everyone who doesn't vote doesn't pay tax? Or care?
Cos man do I have a statistic for you.......

I am not asking you to change the system or even influence it........all I ask is that you pick a colour. Red, Blue or Green?
Or do you not like any of these colours? If so what are you going to do about it?

Nothing, as like you the question is irrelevant.

[avgas]

Nothing, as like you the question is irrelevant.
Ok.
Pick a card:
http://img.ehowcdn.com/article-new-thumbnail/ehow/images/a02/5m/37/do-pick-card-any-card-800x800.jpg

[Banditbandit]

Queen of Spades ...

[avgas]

Queen of Spades ...
A fine choice sir.

You get a reduction of government expenses but reducing costs in mines inspection and allowing OSH to be avoided for high risk projects. Economy is boosted.
29 Miners die.

You repurchase previous government assets at 10 times value they were sold for and 100 times the value they are worth. But now the NZ people own the asset.

Anyone else want to try their luck? 51 possible governments left to go. Or if your really brave - actually vote and risk the real world.

[BoristheBiter]

Or if your really brave - actually vote and risk the real world.

Why not some of us actually live in the real world.

And 5 of clubs

[avgas]

Why not some of us actually live in the real world.

And 5 of clubs
I thought you weren't playing :drinkup:

Lets see what the beehivatron spits out as 5 clubs answer.....
http://www.motherandchildschool.com/astalavista/comp-therapy-pic.jpg
The yellow peril is prevented. Thus employment remains static. A pension is introduced so that people can retire. Even though it is publicly addressed - Women fail to get recognized enough to vote however.

(oh and the asians came, women voted, employment levels dropped and people can no longer retire anyway)

Now guess your government!?

[BoristheBiter]

I thought you weren't playing :drinkup:

Lets see what the beehivatron spits out as 5 clubs answer.....
http://www.motherandchildschool.com/astalavista/comp-therapy-pic.jpg
The yellow peril is prevented. Thus employment remains static. A pension is introduced so that people can retire. Even though it is publicly addressed - Women fail to get recognized enough to vote however.

(oh and the asians came, women voted, employment levels dropped and people can no longer retire anyway)

Now guess your government!?

I would guess at the Mr Peters party.
Or a Christchurch street party.

[Banditbandit]

A fine choice sir.

You get a reduction of government expenses but reducing costs in mines inspection and allowing OSH to be avoided for high risk projects. Economy is boosted.
29 Miners die.

You repurchase previous government assets at 10 times value they were sold for and 100 times the value they are worth. But now the NZ people own the asset.



Well - that would be just typical of the black bitch ...

[HenryDorsetCase]

bump because there is a thread bagging Cunliffe on the front page. and fairness means we need to bag donkey too.

[BoristheBiter]

bump because there is a thread bagging Cunliffe on the front page. and fairness means we need to bag donkey too.

Nothing's fair in love and war, or in this case politics, just ask Colin.:killingme

But really all cuntlip needs to do is learn to keep his mouth shut and he will be fine.

[mashman]

But really all cuntlip needs to do is learn to keep his mouth shut and he will be fine.

I see you have high standards and principles when it comes to those who are chosen to lead you. They're all shite.

[BoristheBiter]

I see you have high standards and principles

You do know we are talking about politicians right?

[mashman]

You do know we are talking about politicians right?

You use any excuse you like in order to feel comfortable with the fact that a human being is taking the piss. Essentially, they're human first... or at least, ideally, should be.

[BoristheBiter]

You use any excuse you like in order to feel comfortable with the fact that a human being is taking the piss. Essentially, they're human first... or at least, ideally, should be.

You don't get satire do you?

[Banditbandit]

People here do satire ??? Fuck .. where will it all end ....

[mashman]

You don't get satire do you?

Sometimes I choose not to... but satirical or not, you said it and still really don't give a shit. Which makes you worse than them.

[BoristheBiter]

Sometimes I choose not to... but satirical or not, you said it and still really don't give a shit. Which makes you worse than them.

??????? what are you on as you are making even less sense than normal?

[mashman]

??????? what are you on as you are making even less sense than normal?

Bit close to home eh... denial's healthy in ways.

[BoristheBiter]

Bit close to home eh... denial's healthy in ways.

No I just have no idea what the fuck you are dribbling on about.

[mashman]

No I just have no idea what the fuck you are dribbling on about.

Ahhhhhh well.

[Banditbandit]

No I just have no idea what the fuck you are dribbling on about.

Don't worry - denial is just a river in Egypt ...

[puddytat]

Some questions you will ask.....

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/03/08/the-questions-you-will-ask-in-about-the-order-you-will-ask-them-next-month-when-you-open-your-power-bill/

[Ocean1]

Some questions you will ask.....

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/03/08/the-questions-you-will-ask-in-about-the-order-you-will-ask-them-next-month-when-you-open-your-power-bill/

Not a single question in sight, reads more like a set of instructions.

[pete376403]

I'm sure I recall Max Bradford promising us how much we'd all benefit from the "reforms" that broke up the old NZED. Why would any want just one organisation doing the whole business, from generation, transmission, distribution,when it could be split up into numerous different business, each with its own (very highly paid) management structure? Oh yeah, because the "invisible hand of the marketplace" competition would introduce efficiencies and drive down prices. Yeah f*ckin right.

I suppose it worked out very well for Max, though.

[mashman]

Some questions you will ask.....

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/03/08/the-questions-you-will-ask-in-about-the-order-you-will-ask-them-next-month-when-you-open-your-power-bill/

I think the top comment just about sums it up. Investors gotta get paid somehow.

[Brian d marge]

I'm sure I recall Max Bradford promising us how much we'd all benefit from the "reforms" that broke up the old NZED. Why would any want just one organisation doing the whole business, from generation, transmission, distribution,when it could be split up into numerous different business, each with its own (very highly paid) management structure? Oh yeah, because the "invisible hand of the marketplace" competition would introduce efficiencies and drive down prices. Yeah f*ckin right.

I suppose it worked out very well for Max, though.

I posted a link about the rise , but I posted in stupid world

Never could figure out what was wrong with the old power board

but could see straight through the bullshit under market reforms

Why dont they just say , we broke it up so we can flick it off to balance
the books in the short term

or , we followed accepted practice

the zionist agenda forced us

anyone of the above excuses would have been better

Stephen

[oldrider]

I'm sure I recall Max Bradford promising us how much we'd all benefit from the "reforms" that broke up the old NZED. Why would any want just one organisation doing the whole business, from generation, transmission, distribution,when it could be split up into numerous different business, each with its own (very highly paid) management structure? Oh yeah, because the "invisible hand of the marketplace" competition would introduce efficiencies and drive down prices. Yeah f*ckin right.

I suppose it worked out very well for Max, though.

The government controlled NZED (etc) was full of make work and excessive training costs and was subject to continuous political interference!

The whole electricity industry was desperately in need of reorganisation ... did it work? ... Well we all have our opinions don't we!

As I recall ... it didn't work out very well for Max at all (politically) but it should have!

Consumers now know exactly what services they are getting and paying for and at least have some flexibility in choice of supplier.

[Scuba_Steve]

Consumers now know exactly what services they are getting and paying for and at least have some flexibility in choice of supplier.

Say what?
Here in the real world 90% of consumers would not have a fucking clue what they pay for & most of what we're paying for isn't disclosed

[BoristheBiter]

Say what?
Here in the real world 90% of consumers would not have a fucking clue what they pay for & most of what we're paying for isn't disclosed

I think that's more like 90% of consumers don't care.

[Winston001]

I'm sure I recall Max Bradford promising us how much we'd all benefit from the "reforms" that broke up the old NZED. Why would any want just one organisation doing the whole business, from generation, transmission, distribution,when it could be split up into numerous different business, each with its own (very highly paid) management structure?

Oh yeah, because the "invisible hand of the marketplace" competition would introduce efficiencies and drive down prices. Yeah f*ckin right.




The government controlled NZED (etc) was full of make work and excessive training costs and was subject to continuous political interference!

The whole electricity industry was desperately in need of reorganisation ... did it work? ... Well we all have our opinions don't we!

Consumers now know exactly what services they are getting and paying for and at least have some flexibility in choice of supplier.

I agree with you both.

New Zealand is long skinny mountainous islands with a small population and not much concentrated industry. If you were starting out planning electricity generation and distribution in such a country, you wouldn't create 30 different businesses to make, distribute, and sell the power.

So I have always thought we should have kept the NZED. As a nation we would be far better off with a controlled planned electricity generation structure - run the dams when there is plenty of water, use gas and thermal in the dry times.

[mashman]

I think that's more like 90% of consumers don't care.

That's about as much of a fuck as I give. We get "confused" when the bill change by $30 every few months and we've done nuffink different... but meh, pay anyway.

[Ocean1]

I think that's more like 90% of consumers don't care.

The perfect description of someone with more money than sense.

Speak of the devil...


That's about as much of a fuck as I give. We get "confused" when the bill change by $30 every few months and we've done nuffink different... but meh, pay anyway.

[mashman]

The perfect description of someone with more money than sense.

Speak of the devil...

heh... some things just don't matter.

[Akzle]

The perfect description of someone with more money than sense.

Speak of the devil...

well. Whaddaya gonna do?
Go off grid, retire to a caravan in teh wops, live on a boat, bus?
Nope. You need title to an house and a good credit rating. Otherwise youre subhuman.

[Ocean1]

well. Whaddaya gonna do?
Go off grid, retire to a caravan in teh wops, live on a boat, bus?
Nope. You need title to an house and a good credit rating. Otherwise youre subhuman.

In response to an unclear invoice? Ask them to explain it.

If asked for credit references I usually point out that I didn't ask for credit, and if they consider having to supply me goods before I pay for them credit then they're both wrong and they're no different to anyone else I deal with. If they insist, (and business accounts payable usually do) then I use their main local competition as a reference.

Fuckem, I'm the customer and I'm fucking right, if they don't agree then I'm not their customer, real simple.

[BoristheBiter]

The perfect description of someone with more money than sense.

Speak of the devil...

Sorry you're assuming again.

I do care, that's why I have a fixed contract.



heh... some things just don't matter.

Or just can't control, like dealing with council.

[BoristheBiter]

well. Whaddaya gonna do?
Go off grid, retire to a caravan in teh wops, live on a boat, bus?
Nope. You need title to an house and a good credit rating. Otherwise youre subhuman.

There was a guy that lived in the Kaweka's, was there for quite a few years if I recall.

[mashman]

Or just can't control, like dealing with council.

I need electricity, so I pay for it. I don't care if they overcharge me, primarily because I'll never know why and they could easily make up some bullshit that I won't be able to argue against... and I wouldn't challenge them without evidence. However I have "beaten" the council before.

[Ocean1]

Sorry you're assuming again.

I do care, that's why I have a fixed contract.

You're the one that said 90% don't care. Which sounds more like an assumption to me.

I was simply pointing out that those that don't care if they're being charged correctly or not deserve everything they get. Or fail to get.

[oldrider]

True, half of the people who get their power bills haven't got a clue what it's about but that is not the power companies fault.

In our own case power is one of the lesser monthly items, Telecom is the biggy for us, god knows why their charges are so high!

Off grid power is expensive and can not compete with price or reliability when the power company supply lines run right past the door.

As the distance from the supplier increases so does the benefit of off grid power plants because the line establishment and maintenance charges are so high.

Most of the worlds off grid or even grid conected power supplies are heavily subsidised by their respective governments but not here!

Whats more subsidy was never offered by the last Labour/Green government iether and they owned more of the power supply system than any previous government.

[Akzle]

etc

the peace of mind is worth it.
Not reliant on any number of shit not to break. Naturally or otherwise.
Probably makes quite easy target for the orbiting lasers though...

[mashman]

I was simply pointing out that those that don't care if they're being charged correctly or not deserve everything they get. Or fail to get.

WTF is wrong with you? You forgot to add: "and worse yet, because those who don't complain about being incorrectly charged set a precedent that allows a company to carry on their questionable practices. They are directly responsible for me having to validate my bills and therefore are directly responsible for me having to complain that I have been charged more for a service than I believe I should have been charged. Everything they do is wrong, they should all be like me." Edit: "waaaah waaaaah waaaaaahh"

[BoristheBiter]

I was simply pointing out that those that don't care if they're being charged correctly or not deserve everything they get. Or fail to get.

So hows that worked out for ya then?

[Brian d marge]

Ive posted this before

under the old electricity board , you bill would 14% up

under the " new reforms " its into the hundreds of %

If ya dont "say up " ya pay up

Stephen

[Ocean1]

WTF is wrong with you? You forgot to add: "and worse yet, because those who don't complain about being incorrectly charged set a precedent that allows a company to carry on their questionable practices. They are directly responsible for me having to validate my bills and therefore are directly responsible for me having to complain that I have been charged more for a service than I believe I should have been charged. Everything they do is wrong, they should all be like me." Edit: "waaaah waaaaah waaaaaahh"

Why the fuck should I complain about how other people spend their money? That's your specialty.

[mashman]

Why the fuck should I complain about how other people spend their money? That's your specialty.


The perfect description of someone with more money than sense.

Make your mind up... or throw out some weasel words.

[Ocean1]

Make your mind up... or throw out some weasel words.

That wasn't a complaint dude.

If I'd pointed out that you'd have more money than sense if you were stone broke it still wouldn't amount to more than an observation of the blatantly obvious.

[puddytat]

I think that's more like 90% of consumers don't care.

And/or that is the least of their worries or just another one.....

Meanwhile in 10%erville they are doing o.k. :stoogie:

[mashman]

That wasn't a complaint dude.

If I'd pointed out that you'd have more money than sense if you were stone broke it still wouldn't amount to more than an observation of the blatantly obvious.

Weasel words then.

[HenryDorsetCase]

What a gutless cock donkey is for not sacking that bitch Collins.

I did enjoy seeing her eat shit on the telly last night after being a total cunt all week.

Fuckers. All of them.

[puddytat]

She'll no doubt be haunting us long after Dear John is gone....

[Brian d marge]

John has said he would resign if the pension age was raised

the treasury has just announced

Snip
"The ageing population presents risk to the medium-term fiscal position particularly to the extent that demographic forecasts may be too low or high," Treasury warns in the mountain of Budget documents issued on Thursday.


Bye John


Stephen

ps told ya the oldies were costing too much !

[oldrider]

ps told ya the oldies were costing too much !

You forget that it was the aging population that got you to where you are now and as yet "you" are untested! :corn:

Your ungratfull attitude makes abortion on demand something that our age group should never have resisted! :bash:

[Brian d marge]

You forget that it was the aging population that got you to where you are now and as yet "you" are untested! :corn:

Your ungratfull attitude makes abortion on demand something that our age group should never have resisted! :bash:

Not my generation,,,,

It was your old mans "urges" after he was demobbed ,,,,, and now "We" the fruits of "your" loin must bear the burden

Free health , free dental, free education , a job in the railways ...for life ....and a state house ...( ok ya had to put the drive way in ya selves ) ......

and now ya want .... a pension because ya worked hard and paid your taxes , so ya deserve to be look after in ya dotage

Yeee gods what IS the world coming to


Ill let ya have ya pension , but I want something in return , ....... You lot to protect MY pension and to try and redress the health and dental ..etc ..:bleh:

OR its <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/LSUAAKFLoL0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



Stephen

[oldrider]

Funny thing Logans Run often gets a reference in our conversations, my wife used to watch it on black and white TV while I was on shift work!

Pension has always been a political football, the understanding when I started my apprenticeship, was that social security was collected to pay for it!

National super was like a life insurance you pay the premium and expect it to be paid out at it's agreed maturity date, no questions asked!

Various politicians fucked about with the super fund but they still collected the premiums so I expect to get mine as paid for all those years!

Muldoon was the worst of the robbers who stole the national super fund and mixed it into the general tax take for his own gain.

Yes I did an apprenticeship with the Railways, went to sea as an engineer for a few years and then came back and worked for the NZED.

Didn't have any free shit, had to pay for my handicapped kids education and care for most of his life and cover my own medical with Southern Cross.

Haven't had fuck all claims on ACC but now can not afford a bike because of ACC and my little diesel 4x4 truck costs a bomb to register because of ACC content!

My father was not allowed to go to the war and had to put up with a lot of shit from some of those that did and did fuck all but played big shot when they returned!

Everything is not always as it seems, the oldies have paid their premiums and should get their pension as contracted, unfortunately there may not be enough "earners" left to pay for it later when it comes time to collect!

There would be enough money if the politicians had left it alone and not robbed it to pay for bribes for the younger generation to keep themselves in power!

If the younger generation had used their brains and voted with their heads instead falling for all the "bribes and handouts" we might have been OK!

I'm sticking with "John" the dear leader on this one! :yes:

[mashman]

Your ungratfull attitude makes abortion on demand something that our age group should never have resisted! :bash:

So it was you that allowed it to happen. Hey, ya don't just wake up and watch a system not work overnight ;).

A bone for the plebs (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/23632268/john-banks-election-fraud-trial-to-start/#)

[oldrider]

Banks is just the fall guy for this, they have all (political parties) been doing this for years ... could be repercussions if he loses big on this! :psst:

[mashman]

Banks is just the fall guy for this, they have all (political parties) been doing this for years ... could be repercussions if he loses big on this! :psst:

Meh. If he gets nailed he gets nailed. I'm sure he'll be looked after.

[pritch]

J
ps told ya the oldies were costing too much !

Yeah, get back to work you buggas, I need you paying your taxes to keep me in the manner to which I have grown accustomed.:devil2:

[mashman]

Banks is just the fall guy for this, they have all (political parties) been doing this for years ... could be repercussions if he loses big on this! :psst:

Now they're throwing compost at him (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/23637473/compost-thrown-as-john-banks-arrives-at-court/#)

I had to lol at the homepage picture for the story, if looks could kill. It totally shatters the Norman Wisdom look I had him going for.

https://s.yimg.com/dh/ap/yahoonz/editorial/johnbankssorrowcourtsnpa375.jpg

[Ocean1]

Yeah, get back to work you buggas, I need you paying your taxes to keep me in the manner to which I have grown accustomed.:devil2:

To which whom has accustomed you? :laugh:

I recall an article last year that reported a rapidly growing number of eligible retirees plodding on regardless because there simply wasn’t qualified replacements for their jobs.

But I’m sure all those McDiplomas in tourism majoring in underwater basket weaving will start producing the funds required to finance my very reasonable retirement requirements by the time I get there. :rolleyes:

[pete376403]

Funny thing Logans Run often gets a reference in our conversations, my wife used to watch it on black and white TV while I was on shift work!

Pension has always been a political football, the understanding when I started my apprenticeship, was that social security was collected to pay for it!

National super was like a life insurance you pay the premium and expect it to be paid out at it's agreed maturity date, no questions asked!

Various politicians fucked about with the super fund but they still collected the premiums so I expect to get mine as paid for all those years!

Muldoon was the worst of the robbers who stole the national super fund and mixed it into the general tax take for his own gain.

Yes I did an apprenticeship with the Railways, went to sea as an engineer for a few years and then came back and worked for the NZED.

Didn't have any free shit, had to pay for my handicapped kids education and care for most of his life and cover my own medical with Southern Cross.

Haven't had fuck all claims on ACC but now can not afford a bike because of ACC and my little diesel 4x4 truck costs a bomb to register because of ACC content!

My father was not allowed to go to the war and had to put up with a lot of shit from some of those that did and did fuck all but played big shot when they returned!

Everything is not always as it seems, the oldies have paid their premiums and should get their pension as contracted, unfortunately there may not be enough "earners" left to pay for it later when it comes time to collect!

There would be enough money if the politicians had left it alone and not robbed it to pay for bribes for the younger generation to keep themselves in power!

If the younger generation had used their brains and voted with their heads instead falling for all the "bribes and handouts" we might have been OK!

I'm sticking with "John" the dear leader on this one! :yes:

You sound like you have about 7-8 years head start on me. I agree with what you say here (maybe a few less !!!!)

So which way did you vote when Muldoon promised everyone could have superannuation for free instead of via the compulsory savings scheme that the Kirk labour government introduced?

Its been estimated the kirk scheme would be worth $300 billion by now. That could pay for a few oldies retirements.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/opinion/political-report-25feb-2014

[oldrider]

I was born at the start of WW2 - I never voted for Muldoon he was the most socialist prime minister NZ ever had!

My first vote ever went to Labour vowed never ever again - voted for Social Credit for years - voted for National once against Clark!

Don't like any of them currently but think I would rather run with Key as the best of a bad bunch - probably vote Social Democrat again.

Don't believe National Super is an entitlement it was bought and paid for over a long time like ACC but like most things government controlled:

"When you get there the cupboard is bare"! :kick:

We scrimped and scratched to pay for Government super as well and they fucked with that as well. :stoogie:

Politicians are the worst breed of legal thieves in the country but every post war generation has alowed them to screw the future for our young ones - cunts! :brick: :o

[Brian d marge]

"When you get there the cupboard is bare"! :kick:

We scrimped and scratched to pay for Government super as well and they fucked with that as well. :stoogie:

Politicians are the worst breed of legal thieves in the country but every post war generation has alowed them to screw the future for our young ones - cunts! :brick: :o

agreed , but don’t forget the oldies dress in strange fashion and are shifty feckless and idle ... AND play bowls on a SUNDAY !

Stephen

[BoristheBiter]

agreed , but don’t forget the oldies dress in strange fashion and are shifty feckless and idle ... AND play bowls on a SUNDAY !

Stephen

Are they mad, that's bike riding day.

[Banditbandit]

Are they mad, that's bike riding day.

You only ride on Sundays? What's wrong with ya ???

[BoristheBiter]

You only ride on Sundays? What's wrong with ya ???

i have to work.

[Banditbandit]

Me too .. So I ride to work most days .. It's a fine sunny day out there and coming to work was great (a little nervous as the road's a bit twisty and the cops can be on top of you before you know it ...) Now I get to ride home again ..

[BoristheBiter]

Me too .. So I ride to work most days .. It's a fine sunny day out there and coming to work was great (a little nervous as the road's a bit twisty and the cops can be on top of you before you know it ...) Now I get to ride home again ..

two words....Auckland traffic.

Also it is hard to fit 200kg worth of tools, parts and a ladder on a gixxer. (yes i have looked at it)

[imdying]

If the younger generation had used their brains and voted with their heads instead falling for all the "bribes and handouts" we might have been OK!No, the younger generation hasn't been voting, so it can't have been them.

[BoristheBiter]

No, the younger generation hasn't been voting, so it can't have been them.

I know a lot of oldies that voted for herr helen when he used the "no interest for student loans" bribe so their kids had it easier.

[Brian d marge]

Funny that they should have joined just after the imf lent or world bankster （i forget where rob got the money from)
Anyway they could have called the national labour front of jewdea would have made voting easier

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[Banditbandit]

two words....Auckland traffic.

Also it is hard to fit 200kg worth of tools, parts and a ladder on a gixxer. (yes i have looked at it)

Yeah - OK we might let you off then ...

But then again ... ('cept it's not a Gixxer)

http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbiker/newspics5/Scooters-and-a-ladder.jpg

[BoristheBiter]

Yeah - OK we might let you off then ...

But then again ... ('cept it's not a Gixxer)



:clap::2thumbsup:clap:

Or a 4m extension ladder.

If it was as light as my surf board i could use the push bike mounts.

[oldrider]

Yeah - OK we might let you off then ...

But then again ... ('cept it's not a Gixxer)


That looks like a ladder looking for a snake ... wouldn't be long before he found one iether I guess! :Police:

[Robert Taylor]

two words....Auckland traffic.

Also it is hard to fit 200kg worth of tools, parts and a ladder on a gixxer. (yes i have looked at it)

You reminded me of the need for a decentralisation policy. Most of Aucklands and the countrys problems would be solved if there was a concerted mindset that not everything has to go to Auckland. Why keep adding to the problem when many provincial cities have the capacity to expand with a whole lot less grief.
But Auckland can keep its lower grade immigrants. Its skilled Europeans that we need most, and I dont give a damn if that sounds racist.

[Brian d marge]

Its urban drift
The hollowing out of the countryside due to the centralized and consentrated sharing of data years ago ot was auckland as the big smoke now auckland is a branch office and sydney is the new big smoke

Rushed reply sorry

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[BoristheBiter]

Its urban drift
The hollowing out of the countryside due to the centralized and consentrated sharing of data years ago ot was auckland as the big smoke now auckland is a branch office and sydney is the new big smoke

Rushed reply sorry

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There is nothing more frustrating then dealing with a company whose head office is in Aussie.
Some go one about bad service here but the aussies takes it to a whole new level of ineptitude.

[Brian d marge]

U wait until they move it to england

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[Banditbandit]

Its skilled Europeans that we need most, and I dont give a damn if that sounds racist.

Why ??? (Apart from the racist shit) The world is in the mess it is in now precisely because of those "skilled Europeans".

The mess that was former Yugoslavia ...

The mess that is Ukaraine ...

The mess that (former ) Europeans and their contemporary European allies are making in the Middle East ...

The mess in the (former) European colonies ...

So much for "skilled" Europeans ...

(Not to mention the whinging poms who've come here in the past ...)

[oldrider]

You reminded me of the need for a decentralisation policy. Most of Aucklands and the countrys problems would be solved if there was a concerted mindset that not everything has to go to Auckland. Why keep adding to the problem when many provincial cities have the capacity to expand with a whole lot less grief.
But Auckland can keep its lower grade immigrants. Its skilled Europeans that we need most, and I dont give a damn if that sounds racist.

Well the Aucklander drift to Queenstown sure put paid to the decentralisation of Auckland for me ... don't encourage it any more FFS! :oi-grr:

[Winston001]

Why ??? (Apart from the racist shit) The world is in the mess it is in now precisely because of those "skilled Europeans".

The mess that was former Yugoslavia ...

The mess that is Ukaraine ...

The mess that (former ) Europeans and their contemporary European allies are making in the Middle East ...

The mess in the (former) European colonies ...

So much for "skilled" Europeans ...

(Not to mention the whinging poms who've come here in the past ...)

Understood but truthfully, the world is not in a mess. There are currently about 7 billion people living on the planet and half of them owe their lives to 20th century medicine and food technologies. All of which have been discovered and shared by First World nations.

We can localise that knowledge:

"In 1964, gastric cancer was noted in a Maori tribal family in New Zealand, following an autosomal dominant pattern of inheritance.4 CDH1 gene mutations were first described in patients from three Maori families in 1998. At this time, the International Gastric Cancer Linkage Consortium (IGCLC) was formed, and the name “Hereditary Diffuse Gastric Cancer” was introduced. Families with multiple cases of diffuse gastric cancer, lobular breast cancer, or both may be affected by the hereditary diffuse gastric cancer syndrome."

http://www.nostomachforcancer.org/gastric-cancer/hereditary-diffuse-gastric-cancer

[Akzle]

Understood but truthfully, the world is not in a mess. There are currently about 7 billion people living on the planet...

yet, 70 children starve to death every minute. :niceone:

[BoristheBiter]

yet, 70 children starve to death every minute. :niceone:

70 children :facepalm:

That even more BS than normal, even for you.

[Akzle]

70 children :facepalm:

That even more BS than normal, even for you.

prove it.
Cuntface.

[Oscar]

prove it.
Cuntface.

You posted it, you prove it.


So are you changing your sig line to Cuntface?
Will it be your username?
It suits you...

[Banditbandit]

The World death clock puts the current total death rate at 106.6 people die every second

http://www.medindia.net/patients/calculators/world-death-clock.asp


This site says one child every four seconds ... (2011)

http://www.globalissues.org/article/715/today-21000-children-died-around-the-world

[BoristheBiter]

prove it.
Cuntface.

Like Oscar said, you posted it you back up you bullshit with some facts.

But just for you you wank stain.

70 children a minute?
Then 101k a day, 36 million a year.
Like I said bullshit you utter piece of shit.

read you oxygen thief.

http://www.bread.org/hunger/global/

[BoristheBiter]

The World death clock puts the current total death rate at 106.6 people die every second

http://www.medindia.net/patients/calculators/world-death-clock.asp


This site says one child every four seconds ... (2011)

http://www.globalissues.org/article/715/today-21000-children-died-around-the-world

but doesn't say it is from hunger.

[Banditbandit]

but doesn't say it is from hunger.

Exactly - and it means 15 every minute ... so it can't be 70 every ..

Hang on ... I'm using the figures to show Akxle is wrong ... not that he is right ... I agree with you ..

[Akzle]

http://www.bread.org/hunger/global/


"Each year, 2.6 million children
die as a result of hunger-
related causes."

2.6mil/year
divide 8760 hours/year....
Thats liek 300 an hour...

[Voltaire]

Does cuntface mean clean shaven these days?

The provinces need to get some attractions to get immigrants, maybe a Casino, and a better selection of beers on tap.

[BoristheBiter]

"Each year, 2.6 million children
die as a result of hunger-
related causes."

2.6mil/year
divide 8760 hours/year....
Thats liek 300 an hour...

You need to go back to school and learn math.

Your 300 an hour is 5 a minute not 70 a minute that you posted.:nya:

What a fucking retard.

[BoristheBiter]

Exactly - and it means 15 every minute ... so it can't be 70 every ..

Hang on ... I'm using the figures to show Akxle is wrong ... not that he is right ... I agree with you ..

:facepalm: i was in a hurry and didn't post right.

[Akzle]

not 70 a second that you posted.

yet, 70 children starve to death every minute. :niceone:

What a fucking retard.

. .

[Ocean1]

Understood but truthfully, the world is not in a mess.

Which he'd know, if he simply looked back a mere hundred years and compared his life to those then living.

So much festering negativity about modern life can really only be driven by a complete lack of knowledge of historic living conditions.

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Within our kid's lifetimes dying may very well become optional. And there's people that see nothing but bad shit. Unbelievable.

[BoristheBiter]

. .

There you go retard fixed it for ya

Now what peals of wisdom do you have?

fuckwit.

[mashman]

Which he'd know, if he simply looked back a mere hundred years and compared his life to those then living.

So much festering negativity about modern life can really only be driven by a complete lack of knowledge of historic living conditions.

Within our kid's lifetimes dying may very well become optional. And there's people that see nothing but bad shit. Unbelievable.

:killingme...


Now what peals of wisdom do you have?

Your 300 an hour is 5 a minute

There goes another 5.

[BoristheBiter]

:killingme...



There goes another 5.

Tell someone that gives a shit.
Better still, why not go be one of them.

[mashman]

Tell someone that gives a shit.
Better still, why not go be one of them.

Aha... at least it ain't yer own aye.

[BoristheBiter]

Aha... at least it ain't yer own aye.

Yep, take care of you own instead of expecting others to do it for you.

[Akzle]

Within our kid's lifetimes dying may very well become optional. And there's people that see nothing but bad shit. Unbelievable.

dying is entirely optional. all you have to do is open your mind.

[mashman]

Yep, take care of you own instead of expecting others to do it for you.

What you really mean is giving them money. Sigh.

[oldrider]

When we finally get off this planet and are free to roam intergalactically as an organised species, we will probably learn that earth was established as penal colony! :rolleyes:

[Shadowjack]

When we finally get off this planet and are free to roam intergalactically as an organised species, we will probably learn that earth was established as penal colony! :rolleyes:
And right there is why we'll shortly be getting a visit from The Warden...

[Banditbandit]

When we finally get off this planet and are free to roam intergalactically as an organised species, we will probably learn that earth was established as penal colony! :rolleyes:

Naaa .... I'd put my money on a lunatic asylum ...

[oldrider]

Naaa .... I'd put my money on a lunatic asylum ...

Chuckle chuckle :rofl:

[BoristheBiter]

What you really mean is giving them money. Sigh.

No. What i mean is you should be in a position to proved for your family and not expect others to do it for you.

[mashman]

No. What i mean is you should be in a position to proved for your family and not expect others to do it for you.

I agree. But you will always rely on others.

[Robert Taylor]

Naaa .... I'd put my money on a lunatic asylum ...

The epicentre is Green party HQ

[BoristheBiter]

I agree. But you will always rely on others.

Why is that?

[mashman]

Why is that?

Coz that's how a society is supposed to work.

[Ocean1]

Why is that?

It's his favourite fantasy.

THE BIN MAN WILL PROVIDE!!!

[awa355]

An article from the Herald. Certainly a gap between need and greed. I can see why Don key is greaseing up to the Americans.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11263109

[SPman]

Within our kid's lifetimes dying may very well become optional. And there's people that see nothing but bad shit. Unbelievable. Through advances in knowledge and science....possibly.
However - isn't it acknowledged now that the current new generation is the first in the developed world to have a shorter expected life span than the previous generation?
Bad shit - yes, but looking at the size of the people on the street in the US and Aus - I'd quite believe it - it's like standing outside a pub in Waitara!

[Brian d marge]

An article from the Herald. Certainly a gap between need and greed. I can see why Don key is greaseing up to the Americans.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11263109

I think they are hedging their bets between China and America ....

Snip from the article;


The stock rally has been fueled in part by historically low interest rates engineered by the Federal Reserve. Those rates led many investors to shift money out of low-yielding bonds and into stocks.


This cant go on, may are diversifying into hard assets as they know the market will fall ,,, and the weathly will ride out the storm

When their financial wizardry has worked its wonders ... , ie when QE has a zero return (* oh they are *tapering* right now , tapering as in slightly reducing QE :whocares:) and the debt ot gdp becomes a gulf ......


Those on fixed incomes and the great unwashed people of walmart will whip out the lube and take like a trooper ,,,,,



Stephen

[Swoop]

Does cuntface mean clean shaven these days?
So... Hitler ha a "landing strip"?:scratch:

When we finally get off this planet and are free to roam intergalactically as an organised species, we will probably learn that earth was established as penal colony!
Maybe this world is another planet's hell. ~Aldous Huxley.

[Ocean1]

Through advances in knowledge and science....possibly.

What else is going to create better outcomes for the human race?

Fuckwits bleating about the redistribution of benefits in their direction is sure as fuck not on the horizon, let alone in the running.


However - isn't it acknowledged now that the current new generation is the first in the developed world to have a shorter expected life span than the previous generation?

It's a problem, innit? How do you motivate future generations towards self-actualisation when the behavioural corrections we're designed to react to like hunger, exposure and disease have largely been taken care of BY SOMEBODY ELSE. We may well be looking at the begining of the end of civilisation.

Well, for all those fat lazy bastards anyway...


Bad shit - yes, but looking at the size of the people on the street in the US and Aus - I'd quite believe it - it's like standing outside a pub in Waitara!

Nevermind, you can't make other people's decisions for them. Not ever the fuckwits. That's what caused the problem in the first place, eh?




But just in case, I'm be organising an END OF WORLD party for all of us non-fat persons.

[BoristheBiter]

Coz that's how a society is supposed to work.

No, that is what has fucked it up.

With everyone relying on others nothing gets done.

[mashman]

No, that is what has fucked it up.

With everyone relying on others nothing gets done.

:rofl:... kind of unavoidable and just as well really, else nothing really would get done.

[BoristheBiter]

:rofl:... kind of unavoidable and just as well really, else nothing really would get done.

I don't know why you think it is so funny. I guess you're just one those entitlement people that thinks you're owed something for just being born.

[mashman]

I don't know why you think it is so funny. I guess you're just one those entitlement people that thinks you're owed something for just being born.

Coz I find your silliness amusing. Yeah, sure, that's me all over, me me me. I am owed for being born. So is everyone else. Go project your reality elsewhere, it's ugly and offends my senses.

[BoristheBiter]

Coz I find your silliness amusing. Yeah, sure, that's me all over, me me me. I am owed for being born. So is everyone else. Go project your reality elsewhere, it's ugly and offends my senses.

Good, job done then.

[Banditbandit]

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[Oscar]

<snip leftie propaganda>

Sold our assets did he?
All of them?

Thanks for the tax cut BTW.

[Banditbandit]

Sold our assets did he?
All of them?

Thanks for the tax cut BTW.

I would rather pay more tax and have free education and health ...

[oldrider]

I would rather pay more tax and have free education and health ...

Free anything just means "someone else" is paying! :yes:

[Oscar]

I would rather pay more tax and have free education and health ...

I don't mind paying for things like education and health.
I do tire of people referring to "free" education however.
It's not free and someone has to pay.
Whereas it is a right, it is also privilege and I’m sick of hearing people whine about student loans (and the use of this reasonably fair system as an election bride).

[Banditbandit]

I don't mind paying for things like education and health.
I do tire of people referring to "free" education however.
It's not free and someone has to pay.
Whereas it is a right, it is also privilege and I’m sick of hearing people whine about student loans (and the use of this reasonably fair system as an election bride).

Don't get me wrong - I do realise that "free education" means someone is paying ...

By "free" I mean free to the students ...

The argument is really over who benefits from education ... the individual or the society ...?? The neo-liberal argument is, of course, always that it is the individual ...
one of the other argument that both society and the individual benefit ... so the cost should be spread (and it is - about 70% Government/30% individual)) ...

The further argument is that society benefits the most - and so it should be a societal cost ..

My answer to the neo-liberal argument is that if education is an individual benefit then the government should stop interfering and it will all be sorted out on an individual level .. the fact the neo-liberals want to interfere in education "for the good of the country" shows that there is a major societal benefit .. if, as the neo-liberal actions suggest, education is primarily a social benefit then it should be funded by the society that benefits ..

And please note - I do not agree that there are such things as "rights" ... nor do I agree that education is a privileged.

[Ocean1]

Don't get me wrong - I do realise that "free education" means someone is paying ...

By "free" I mean free to the students ...

The argument is really over who benefits from education ... the individual or the society ...?? The neo-liberal argument is, of course, always that it is the individual ...
one of the other argument that both society and the individual benefit ... so the cost should be spread (and it is - about 70% Government/30% individual)) ...

The further argument is that society benefits the most - and so it should be a societal cost ..

My answer to the neo-liberal argument is that if education is an individual benefit then the government should stop interfering and it will all be sorted out on an individual level .. the fact the neo-liberals want to interfere in education "for the good of the country" shows that there is a major societal benefit .. if, as the neo-liberal actions suggest, education is primarily a social benefit then it should be funded by the society that benefits ..

And please note - I do not agree that there are such things as "rights" ... nor do I agree that education is a privileged.

Education is no less free now than it's ever been.

And my you do get hung up on labels doncha?

Course, you do have a certain dislike of all dem rich pricks to maintain if you're to feel at all adequate in your failure to achieve as much...

[BoristheBiter]

Don't get me wrong - I do realise that "free education" means someone is paying ...

By "free" I mean free to the students ...

The argument is really over who benefits from education ... the individual or the society ...?? The neo-liberal argument is, of course, always that it is the individual ...
one of the other argument that both society and the individual benefit ... so the cost should be spread (and it is - about 70% Government/30% individual)) ...

The further argument is that society benefits the most - and so it should be a societal cost ..

My answer to the neo-liberal argument is that if education is an individual benefit then the government should stop interfering and it will all be sorted out on an individual level .. the fact the neo-liberals want to interfere in education "for the good of the country" shows that there is a major societal benefit .. if, as the neo-liberal actions suggest, education is primarily a social benefit then it should be funded by the society that benefits ..

And please note - I do not agree that there are such things as "rights" ... nor do I agree that education is a privileged.

All costs of education up to 18 years of age should be free (the government picks up the tab).
After that it should be fully funded by the student.
If the student can not pay for this then they can ask for a loan, if it is a "good for the country" (i.e doctors, dentists etc) then it will be fully funded and you are bonded for 15 years (or so to state health care) and then free to do what you please.
If it is "good for the country" (i.e. engineers, mechanics etc) then you can take a loan out but it will have interest charged and you are free to work where you please.
if it is not classed as this (i.e. Sunday golf, lawyers etc) you can pay for it yourself.

[Oscar]

Don't get me wrong - I do realise that "free education" means someone is paying ...

By "free" I mean free to the students ...

The argument is really over who benefits from education ... the individual or the society ...?? The neo-liberal argument is, of course, always that it is the individual ...
one of the other argument that both society and the individual benefit ... so the cost should be spread (and it is - about 70% Government/30% individual)) ...

The further argument is that society benefits the most - and so it should be a societal cost ..

My answer to the neo-liberal argument is that if education is an individual benefit then the government should stop interfering and it will all be sorted out on an individual level .. the fact the neo-liberals want to interfere in education "for the good of the country" shows that there is a major societal benefit .. if, as the neo-liberal actions suggest, education is primarily a social benefit then it should be funded by the society that benefits ..

And please note - I do not agree that there are such things as "rights" ... nor do I agree that education is a privileged.

I don't understand why education funding can't be tuned a bit.
For example, the idea that some graduates can't be given the opportunity to reduce their loans by helping where there are shortages of that occupation.
Doctors and Teachers in out of the way places are a good example.

Also the concept that you can accept an education from society and then piss overseas to avoid paying your loan, really, really annoys me…
Of course this leads to the ridiculous situation where we train Doctors, who then fuck off overseas to either get better money and/or avoid their loan obligations, so we pinch replacements from third world countries.

[mashman]

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa

[Oscar]

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa

...and there we have it - Internet Tourette's Syndrome.
Poor Lamb.

[bogan]

I don't understand why education funding can't be tuned a bit.
For example, the idea that some graduates can't be given the opportunity to reduce their loans by helping where there are shortages of that occupation.
Doctors and Teachers in out of the way places are a good example.

Also the concept that you can accept an education from society and then piss overseas to avoid paying your loan, really, really annoys me…
Of course this leads to the ridiculous situation where we train Doctors, who then fuck off overseas to either get better money and/or avoid their loan obligations, so we pinch replacements from third world countries.

Need to add performance criterea in there I reckon, used to be bursary would pay a year's fees, now (if NCEA even has it) would barely cover one textbook. And scaling for need, so don't just get fuckaround degrees like BAs. So 100% free if you're smart enough, and doing a degree which would benefit the country.

[Banditbandit]

Course, you do have a certain dislike of all dem rich pricks to maintain if you're to feel at all adequate in your failure to achieve as much...

I'm sorry - but that is a massive judgement - and it is wrong.

As I have repeatedly said - I earn what I think is an obscene amount of money - and I certainly pay tax in the highest tax bracket.

I have just turned down a job with higher pay - I value my sanity, freedom and my relatively stress-free lifestyle more than I value the money to make me "rich" ...

I have certainly achieved more in this life than I expected too ... I believe I leave a richer legacy than simply money ..

I reject your assumptions of "achievement" ... my value base is quite different to yours ...

(And no, I don't hate "rich pricks" I hate the system that allows such an uneven distribution of wealth ...)

[Brian d marge]

I don't mind paying for things like education and health.
I do tire of people referring to "free" education however.
It's not free and someone has to pay.
Whereas it is a right, it is also privilege and I’m sick of hearing people whine about student loans (and the use of this reasonably fair system as an election bride).

who reached into their pocket when you got yours

Stephen

[Oscar]

who reached into their pocket when you got yours

Stephen

As a resident non-citizen I had to pay for my own University courses.

[SPman]

All costs of education up to 18 years of age should be free (the government picks up the tab).
After that it should be fully funded by the student.
If the student can not pay for this then they can ask for a loan, if it is a "good for the country" (i.e doctors, dentists etc) then it will be fully funded and you are bonded for 15 years (or so to state health care) and then free to do what you please.
If it is "good for the country" (i.e. engineers, mechanics etc) then you can take a loan out but it will have interest charged and you are free to work where you please.
if it is not classed as this (i.e. Sunday golf, lawyers etc) you can pay for it yourself.
Back when I were ' lad, people who wanted to teach were put through University and training college by the government - then, all they had to do was teach for X number of years, (5?) and the cost of their education was wiped. Of course, if you didn't fulfill the obligations of the bond, you had to pay everything back (I know of one girl who did that - ran off and married a possum trapper in her last semester at uni.....:facepalm:)

It always seemed like a good scheme to me - wonder why it was dropped - probably Roger Douglas and his band of hell hounds.......

[BoristheBiter]

Back when I were ' lad, people who wanted to teach were put through University and training college by the government - then, all they had to do was teach for X number of years, (5?) and the cost of their education was wiped. Of course, if you didn't fulfill the obligations of the bond, you had to pay everything back (I know of one girl who did that - ran off and married a possum trapper in her last semester at uni.....:facepalm:)

It always seemed like a good scheme to me - wonder why it was dropped - probably Roger Douglas and his band of hell hounds.......

I didn't go as i had to fund uni myself, apparently my folks earned to much tui add there.