North Auckland Street Skills - NASS

[Mom]

Who drinks Heiniken?

[nzspokes]

So we had 12 of us here now at the pub ...... drinkies time

Wish I was there, stupid work.

[Grant`]

Can't be to bad if you have time to post on here :facepalm:

[nzspokes]

Can't be to bad if you have time to post on here :facepalm:


Fair call. :bleh:

[Grant`]

Fair call. :bleh:

Where do you work anyways to be working in the evening hours?

Did ya have any luck with that GS you were looking at ?

[nzspokes]

Where do you work anyways to be working in the evening hours?

Did ya have any luck with that GS you were looking at ?

I just end up doing overtime all the time. Normally I just start early but couldnt today. Went for my eye test for my restricted first thing.

I applied for the finance etc which I got, but the boss there sold it out from under me not knowing my name was on it. Bit gutted.

But I got some parts from an old bike like mine from TM, dash and guages are like new, new carbs etc. I think I will be happy with her if I could find a little more top end out of the litte 250.

[Grant`]

I just end up doing overtime all the time. Normally I just start early but couldnt today. Went for my eye test for my restricted first thing.

I applied for the finance etc which I got, but the boss there sold it out from under me not knowing my name was on it. Bit gutted.

But I got some parts from an old bike like mine from TM, dash and guages are like new, new carbs etc. I think I will be happy with her if I could find a little more top end out of the litte 250.

Can you change sprockets and maybe gear for a better top end speed?

[nzspokes]

Can you change sprockets and maybe gear for a better top end speed?

Ive had it geared higher but no real difference. I did a plug chop the other day and she seems lean at high rpm.

[nzmikey]

I cant remember who it was with ......... :confused:

Logged into "crackbook" this morn & a friend had posted this .........
Class 6 (motorcycle) restricted licence

On 27 February 2012 changes will be introduced to graduated driver licensing system for motorcycles.

The restricted licence test will become longer and the full licence test will be shorter. In effect, both the test (and the test fees) will swap.

If you plan to sit your motorcycle restricted licence test on or after 27 February 2012, make sure you plenty of practice to prepare for the longer test.

The NZTA is currently developing a brand new restricted driver licence test for motorcycles. The new test will be introduced in October 2012.
So for those of you pissing around on your Learners ....... now would be the time to go get it .

[nzspokes]

I cant remember who it was with ......... :confused:

Logged into "crackbook" this morn & a friend had posted this .........
So for those of you pissing around on your Learners ....... now would be the time to go get it .

Glad im booked for this month then. Wonder if i get the shorter full test then?

[nzmikey]

Glad im booked for this month then. Wonder if i get the shorter full test then?

I would say not ......... it does not take effect untill the 27th .... I will have my full in May / June SO I thinking that I may end up with the Short test for the 6F & at the cheaper rate :clap:

[DMNTD]

Drizzle here now.

None of us melted and I managed to keep up...just

[nzspokes]

None of us melted and I managed to keep up...just

I will try for next week.

[Grant`]

None of us melted and I managed to keep up...just

With the Speed of Light :eek:

[Jezxa]

I cant remember who it was with ......... :confused:

Logged into "crackbook" this morn & a friend had posted this .........
So for those of you pissing around on your Learners ....... now would be the time to go get it .

Passed my 6R today

So essentially when I do my full, the test will be identical to the restricted I just did, but I have to wait 18 months for it :facepalm:

[p.dath]

Passed my 6R today

So essentially when I do my full, the test will be identical to the restricted I just did, but I have to wait 18 months for it :facepalm:

Well done. I would complain about your next test getting easier ...

[DMNTD]

With the Speed of Light :eek:

Nah I had the power of Gray Skull!! :niceone:

[nzspokes]

Passed my 6R today

So essentially when I do my full, the test will be identical to the restricted I just did, but I have to wait 18 months for it :facepalm:

Really? Im sitting my 6r in a couple of weeks, then after a aa course its 3 months to my full. Or so im lead to believe.

[Rehab]

None of us melted and I managed to keep up...just

Bit embarrassing when that 50cc scooter kept passing you on the straight bits, but you took it like a man.

[DMNTD]

Bit embarrassing when that 50cc scooter kept passing you on the straight bits, but you took it like a man.

I know man but more to the point, how could you see us from waaaaaaay back there? :ride:

[Rehab]

I know man but more to the point, how could you see us from waaaaaaay back there? :ride:

Someone told me about it at the pub. Well, outside the pub coz obviously it was closed by the time I eventually arrived :baby:

[DMNTD]

Someone told me about it at the pub. Well, outside the pub coz obviously it was closed by the time I eventually arrived :baby:

...and here I thought you had problems with your brakes :eek:

[Grant`]

...and here I thought you had problems with your brakes :eek:

I think I am the only one that seems to have consistent problems with my brakes being jammed on all the time <_<

[Rehab]

...and here I thought you had problems with your brakes :eek:

Edit: What I meant to say was something that hadn't been posted already above :facepalm:

[Jezxa]

Well done. I would complain about your next test getting easier ...

No complaints here, its win win for me this time

It's probably a good thing that its getting harder because it was really easy and I've only been riding for 2 months

[Virgil]

Really? Im sitting my 6r in a couple of weeks, then after a aa course its 3 months to my full. Or so im lead to believe.

Thats true for old farts like me ...

The young bucks (under 25 from memory) are stuck on the 6R for 18 months, or 12 months if they do the AA course.

[Hellzie]

Wooooooo I got my full. :first:

I have a shitty head cold as of yesterday and it was super windy, and I had a testing officer from hell, but I did it! I passed my test. Wooooooo party time / bed time... Need to get rid of this shitty cold before the track day.

Yay yay yay! My grin only momentarily disappears as I sneeze or wipe my nose. :wings:

[Grant`]

Wooooooo I got my full. :first:

I have a shitty head cold as of yesterday and it was super windy, and I had a testing officer from hell, but I did it! I passed my test. Wooooooo party time / bed time... Need to get rid of this shitty cold before the track day.

Yay yay yay! My grin only momentarily disappears as I sneeze or wipe my nose. :wings:

Well done! Thats awesome work, great feeling passing the test :first:

[gravedigger]

Wooooooo I got my full. :first:

I have a shitty head cold as of yesterday and it was super windy, and I had a testing officer from hell, but I did it! I passed my test. Wooooooo party time / bed time... Need to get rid of this shitty cold before the track day.

Yay yay yay! My grin only momentarily disappears as I sneeze or wipe my nose. :wings:


That's AWESOME!!! Congrats!!! :clap:

But I guess that still means we are not celebrating tonight? :scratch:

[Hellzie]

That's AWESOME!!! Congrats!!! :clap:

But I guess that still means we are not celebrating tonight? :scratch:

Yeh unfortunately even my high from passing the test is not doing much for my energy levels.... No partying for me tonight... Have fun without me!

Is your bike all fixed?

[gravedigger]

Yeh unfortunately even my high from passing the test is not doing much for my energy levels.... No partying for me tonight... Have fun without me!

Is your bike all fixed?


That's too bad.
I will have some extra drinks tonight to celebrate your success for you :drinknsin (isn't that completely selfless of me :msn-wink:)

Still haven't pick up my bike. They are working on it right now.

[Hellzie]

That's too bad.
I will have some extra drinks tonight to celebrate your success for you :drinknsin (isn't that completely selfless of me :msn-wink:)

Still haven't pick up my bike. They are working on it right now.

Hahaha any excuse to drink beer aye.... :bleh:

[gravedigger]

Hahaha any excuse to drink beer aye.... :bleh:

Among other things.... yes :whistle:

[LankyBastard]

Wooooooo I got my full. :first:

I have a shitty head cold as of yesterday and it was super windy, and I had a testing officer from hell, but I did it! I passed my test. Wooooooo party time / bed time... Need to get rid of this shitty cold before the track day.

Yay yay yay! My grin only momentarily disappears as I sneeze or wipe my nose. :wings:

Nice work!!! We never doubted you for a second :msn-wink:

Bring on the 675 eh????? :niceone:

[OCD Legend]

Must drink lots of bourbon, it will fix your cold.:first:

[OCD Legend]

Must drink lots of bourbon, it will fix your cold.:first:

I actually will agree with that but NOTE 2 self - log out of KB, FB, 4square and anything else before letting Chef anywhere near my computer :facepalm:

[The Singing Chef]

Must drink lots of bourbon, it will fix your cold.:first:

You booze hag :bleh:

[OCD Legend]

Wooooooo I got my full. :first:

I have a shitty head cold as of yesterday and it was super windy, and I had a testing officer from hell, but I did it! I passed my test. Wooooooo party time / bed time... Need to get rid of this shitty cold before the track day.

Yay yay yay! My grin only momentarily disappears as I sneeze or wipe my nose. :wings:

well done - time for bike shopping then?

[Hellzie]

well done - time for bike shopping then?

More like time to thieve Timmeh's street triple.. :wings:

[OCD Legend]

More like time to thieve Timmeh's street triple.. :wings:

oh yeah just DO IT!!!!!

[OCD Legend]

You booze hag :bleh:

you little SHIT

[GPXchick]

Whats the name of the gas station again please :) Trying to convince a new rider friend of mine to come along. I no longer work Wed nights YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY WOWOWOWOWOWOWO. Work was really getting in the way of my riding :D

[p.dath]

Refer to the first post ...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/77111-North-Auckland-Street-Skills-NASS

[Jeeves]

Ok I'm coming tonight so lets not all drive off as i get gas this time. :bye:

[p.dath]

Ok I'm coming tonight so lets not all drive off as i get gas this time. :bye:

Don't arrive late then ... :)

[GPXchick]

HI guys thanks for the great ride tonight, awesome bunch of people. See you next week :):yes:

[PeteMun]

has it changed from albany to a diff location or did you go for a ride instead ? :ride:

[p.dath]

has it changed from albany to a diff location or did you go for a ride instead ? :ride:

We went for a long ride instead,

[The Singing Chef]

We went for a long ride instead,

It was gooood!

[Hellzie]

Just going to put it out there... That wasn't a good ride for a few people. I suggest everyone doing group rides should read this thread.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/107628-The-Group-Ride-Guide

[English Kiwi]

Just going to put it out there... That wasn't a good ride for a few people. I suggest everyone doing group rides should read this thread.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/107628-The-Group-Ride-Guide

Some interesting techniques for group riding then was there?

I was going to come but was catching up on sleep and had the interview this avo! lol

[The Singing Chef]

Just going to put it out there... That wasn't a good ride for a few people. I suggest everyone doing group rides should read this thread.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/107628-The-Group-Ride-Guide

What happened? PM me

[English Kiwi]

What happened? PM me

I wanna know too....:blink:

[Qkchk]

Was wondering where you guys were.

Dropped in to say boo after training and ..... Nobody was there, even at 1950.

Never mind, I'll bring my flash new wheels down another night. :lol:

[The Singing Chef]

Was wondering where you guys were.

Dropped in to say boo after training and ..... Nobody was there, even at 1950.

Never mind, I'll bring my flash new wheels down another night. :lol:

Yea we should be at the carpark next week and so on. Or just drinking :drinkup:

[Qkchk]

Yea we should be at the carpark next week and so on. Or just drinking :drinkup:

Unfortunately I spend more time clocking up airpoints instead of being home... I might be around home next month.
I'll make sure I bring some drink. Raro anyone?

[The Singing Chef]

Unfortunately I spend more time clocking up airpoints instead of being home... I might be around home next month.
I'll make sure I bring some drink. Raro anyone?

Bugger and that means less seat time too!

[Qkchk]

Bugger and that means less seat time too!

I guess I make it up in other ways.... but yeah, I don't have many weekends either. But its rewarding in the long run.

[Ntoxcated]

Never mind, I'll bring my flash new wheels down another night. :lol:

New wheels? Tell us more :yes:

[Rehab]

What happened? PM me

I wanna know too....:blink:

Me too :confused:

[Hellzie]

What happened? PM me


I wanna know too....:blink:


Me too :confused:

Nothing happened.. more what could have happened. Mainly I just wanted to point out the group riding thread as I think it's really useful and knowing what's contained in it would help make the experience even more enjoyable than it already is!

:Punk:

[nzspokes]

Nothing happened.. more what could have happened. Mainly I just wanted to point out the group riding thread as I think it's really useful and knowing what's contained in it would help make the experience even more enjoyable than it already is!

:Punk:

But different groups have different rules. :facepalm:

I mucked one up on a cycletreads ride and Toto got grumpy with me. :shutup:

I didnt bother to tell him im deaf and couldnt hear what he said. :confused:

[RUSS]

Or anywhere please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PZ_d5IIdRZI

[p.dath]

Or anywhere please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PZ_d5IIdRZI

They should have contrasted it by showing the same bike with a motorcycle tyre. But yes, I don't think there is much comparison between using a tyre designed for the application of using it on a motorbike, to that designed for a four wheeled vehicle being mis-used on a motorcycle.

[thehovel]

Car tyres have a flat contact area,even in the vidio you can see that most of the tyre is off the ground. A sports tyre has a pointy contact area this gives the tyre less foot-print when upright but when leant over in a turn there is the maxim foot-print when you need it. I would like to see the demistration done at pace in the wet.
The only time that you fit car tyres to a bike is when it has a side car,I think the reason is obvious.

[Clean_up]

Hey all, earlier in the month I mentioned the possibility of a ride up north. I am not doing this now, instead, my wife and I are riding down to Napier to see family. If anyone else wants to organise a ride up north over Auckland anniversary weekend, feel free :)
If anyone knows of a nice way to go to napier on the bike, in one day, I would welcome suggestions other than the normal via taupo route.

[nzspokes]

This a happening thing tonight? do you go far? Need a full tank?

[p.dath]

This a happening thing tonight? do you go far? Need a full tank?

We meet at a service station, so if in doubt ... fill up. :)

We might split the group in two tonight. A might take a shorter ride (30 minutes) so the car park session happens, and some people might like to go for a longer ride (sometimes an hour).

[nzspokes]

Sweet, I will try to make it. I will be up for the hour ride.

[rickstv]

OK, listen up people. It would be wise to avoid OLD North Rd. there is new seal laid today between the one way bridge and just before the bottom of the nice S bends that wind up to Peak Rd intersection.

AND there is pea gravel all the way up the S bends hill almost to Peak Rd.

I don't think this would be a good time to test the newbies on gravel.

Rick.

[The Singing Chef]

OK, listen up people. It would be wise to avoid OLD North Rd. there is new seal laid today between the one way bridge and just before the bottom of the nice S bends that wind up to Peak Rd intersection.

AND there is pea gravel all the way up the S bends hill almost to Peak Rd.

I don't think this would be a good time to test the newbies on gravel.

Rick.

Been waiting for that to be resealed! :Punk:

[JustNick]

Hey guys special guest appearance tonight. me. 6.30 at westgagate shell? black yammy 250.

[The Singing Chef]

Hey guys special guest appearance tonight. me. 6.30 at westgagate shell? black yammy 250.

Yep that's the one mate. Good to have Taupoian with us! :woohoo:

[nzspokes]

Hey guys special guest appearance tonight. me. 6.30 at westgagate shell? black yammy 250.

Good to meet ya Nick. Hope you had a good ride.

[JustNick]

Good to meet ya Nick. Hope you had a good ride.
cheers mate and you too. It was good to see the extremely custom cibby in the flesh. and thanks for the warm welcome tonight guys it was fun.

[nzspokes]

cheers mate and you too. It was good to see the extremely custom cibby in the flesh. and thanks for the warm welcome tonight guys it was fun.

Was a nice wee pootle.

Sorry for holding you up guys on the longer ride.

[The Singing Chef]

Since it's the New Year I thought that we could take a more structured approach to our weekly sessions, so that we can plan out a course that enables us to work on our base range of skills and improve on harder areas as we progress through the year.

We would incorporate our lessons with theory which would be printed off each week that would go alongside our lessons and you can keep as a reference to each lesson.

A brief idea that I wrote up earlier goes like this.


Week 1: Emergency Braking (theory - Braking)

Week 2: Stop and Go, Gymkhana

Week 3: Slow speed control (Theory - Throttle, clutch, brake control.)

Week4: Slow and Fast Gymkhana with Emergency Braking.

Week 5 : Weight Balance - Cornering and steering whilst the weight balance on the bike is upset, Ie.. standing on one side of the bike etc...

Week 6: Braking in corners to a stop

Week 7: Controlling rear wheel skids

Week 8: G's square, Full lock turns.

Week 9: Slow speed control.

Week 10: Lines

Week 11: Bike maintenance night

Week 12: Group Ride

Week 13: Line and Bike control - Tight line with balls with a curve in it, keep inside the line whilst looking up.

Week 14: Using peripheral vision - Course 13 ^ and have 3 people standing around with numbers that whilst doing the course they have to look around and memorise the numbers.

Week 15: Changing your line - Weighting pegs and trailing brake to tighten the line.

Week 16: Emergency braking, Stop and go, Gymkhana.

Week 17: Decreasing radius practice

Week 18: Braking in corners, Lines.

Week 19: How you sit on your bike - touch points, relaxed position?

What are your guys ideas and how do you feel about that approach to NASS, we can also incorporate lessons that you all feel you need to work on or would like to learn so that we are keeping everybody happy.

Ideas please.

Regards,

Matt

[Grant`]

You have forgotten....

Burnouts -Standing still and rolling
Stoppies
Wheelies
& how to do mean drifts and skids that impress the ladies!

:innocent:

[The Singing Chef]

You have forgotten....

Burnouts -Standing still and rolling
Stoppies
Wheelies
& how to do mean drifts and skids that impress the ladies!

:innocent:

Oh I thought I had forgotten something! <_<:laugh:

[newhere]

Week 13: Line and Bike control - Tight line with balls with a curve in it, keep inside the line whilst looking up.

I had to read this twice.........thought you just wanted to get your gear out :laugh:

[p.dath]

Since it's the New Year I thought that we could take a more structured approach to our weekly sessions, so that we can plan out a course that enables us to work on our base range of skills and improve on harder areas as we progress through the year.

It sounds good. We have started on slow riding, so I'd like to spend the next two weeks finishing that off if we can. We did straight lines last week. Next week I'd like to move onto a Gymkhana, and the week after that the Police style motorcycle riders test, which is an ultra hard Gymkhana


We would incorporate our lessons with theory which would be printed off each week that would go alongside our lessons and you can keep as a reference to each lesson.

I'm not sure you'll going to get people dedicated enough to print out some theory material to study in advance ...


Week 1: Emergency Braking (theory - Braking)

Make that theory and practical on the night.


Week 2: Stop and Go, Gymkhana

Week 3: Slow speed control (Theory - Throttle, clutch, brake control.)

You need to do slow speed control before you can do the Gymkhana.


Week4: Slow and Fast Gymkhana with Emergency Braking.

Since emergency braking has been done once, it might be an idea to change it to brake and escape. Remember we only have a car park available to us as well ...


Week 5 : Weight Balance - Cornering and steering whilst the weight balance on the bike is upset, Ie.. standing on one side of the bike etc...

I'm not sure I get this one. So weighting one peg, and practice cornering either way while doing that?
Weighting the inside peg, leaning the bike into a corner, and leaning the other way at low speed is the skill for ultra tight low speed turning. I'm not sure we can do any other skills apart from this in a car park. Anything else involving peg weighting I can think of is done at pace.


Week 6: Braking in corners to a stop

I have no idea how to teach that. I would have told you not to do it ... don't brake mid corner from road pace in a corner to a halt. Normally if your in a corner and you see a problem you have to avoid the object, not try and stop short of it.



Week 7: Controlling rear wheel skids

That is probably quite a bit above the level of NASS (meant for beginners).


Week 8: G's square, Full lock turns.

This is good to do around the Gymkhana training sessions as it is highly related.


Week 9: Slow speed control.

Week 10: Lines

Sounds great.


Week 11: Bike maintenance night

I can show simple chain lubing and brake bleeding (only need a small amount of stuff that I can carry in my jacket). We can talk about chain tension, tyre pressures, and checking fluids.
But this would only take 10 mins. Anything else you can think off that can be done easily in a car park?


Week 12: Group Ride

We do a group ride every week. Do you mean a longer ride?


Week 13: Line and Bike control - Tight line with balls with a curve in it, keep inside the line whilst looking up.

We tried that before and it didn't work so well. It seems to work better using just two balls. One to be on the outside of before starting the turn, and one to be on the inside of at the "apex".


Week 14: Using peripheral vision - Course 13 ^ and have 3 people standing around with numbers that whilst doing the course they have to look around and memorise the numbers.

Week 15: Changing your line - Weighting pegs and trailing brake to tighten the line.

That is quite advanced. Not sure it is NASS level. I'm not confident that routine use of trail braking for road use is the way to go either. It's more of a get out of jail card when you are too hot in a corner.


Week 16: Emergency braking, Stop and go, Gymkhana.

Week 17: Decreasing radius practice

Sounds good.


Week 18: Braking in corners, Lines.

Same comment as above.


Week 19: How you sit on your bike - touch points, relaxed position?

This is quite advanced as well. I would personally like to do it if Greg is available for my own interest. My personal thoughts are you need to have quite a few other skills "down pat" before being concerned with touch points.

[The Singing Chef]

It sounds good. We have started on slow riding, so I'd like to spend the next two weeks finishing that off if we can. We did straight lines last week. Next week I'd like to move onto a Gymkhana, and the week after that the Police style motorcycle riders test, which is an ultra hard Gymkhana Yea that sounds good too, wouldn't want this to come in till it is all sorted.




I'm not sure you'll going to get people dedicated enough to print out some theory material to study in advance ...

I can print them off at work, say ten copies or so and people can just share them around etc...






Since emergency braking has been done once, it might be an idea to change it to brake and escape. Remember we only have a car park available to us as well ... It would be part of the gymkhana course, so at the end of the course have an emergency braking, or brake and escape type thing.




I'm not sure I get this one. So weighting one peg, and practice cornering either way while doing that?
Weighting the inside peg, leaning the bike into a corner, and leaning the other way at low speed is the skill for ultra tight low speed turning. I'm not sure we can do any other skills apart from this in a car park. Anything else involving peg weighting I can think of is done at pace.

Yea so what Mark W had me doing one time is standing on both LH side pegs and doing an offset course going down the car park, then on RH side, pillion pegs etc. Just helps you to master the bike in odd circumstances and seeing how it feels when it is not settled and stable.




I have no idea how to teach that. I would have told you not to do it ... don't brake mid corner from road pace in a corner to a halt. Normally if your in a corner and you see a problem you have to avoid the object, not try and stop short of it.

Greg has agreed to help out on these ones, it was an idea that Mark W said when I asked what harder stuff could I use to improve my riding, so I would use it in the sense of you go around a corner and there is a pile up of cars leaving no escape route except into a bank or what not. It is preferable to ride around the object but I have friends that have been in the situation as mentioned above and if they had those skills there is a higher possibility they wouldn't have crashed.




That is probably quite a bit above the level of NASS (meant for beginners).

We could do it for the more experienced riders in the group where they could go off to the higher car park and practice. I was also thinking of doing split groups with one being for beginners and then one being advanced.




This is good to do around the Gymkhana training sessions as it is highly related.

Yea that could definitely be incorporated.





I can show simple chain lubing and brake bleeding (only need a small amount of stuff that I can carry in my jacket). We can talk about chain tension, tyre pressures, and checking fluids.
But this would only take 10 mins. Anything else you can think off that can be done easily in a car park? We could do things like they check for in scrutineering at track days, I.e. Smooth throttle cables, tightening brake and clutch levers and adjusting levers into a comfortable position, learn what to check over on your bike and what to keep lubricated and clean. Maybe if everyone has a request for something they want to learn that we are able to achieve in a carpark then we could go off that.




We do a group ride every week. Do you mean a longer ride?


Yea it would be a long ride and what I was thinking is doing a line formation and following the lead riders lines so as to get the best lines for corners.

We tried that before and it didn't work so well. It seems to work better using just two balls. One to be on the outside of before starting the turn, and one to be on the inside of at the "apex". What didn't work so well about it? We have to do it for BSHT(Bullshit handling test) but just longer with a very slight curve. we could possibly try both.




That is quite advanced. Not sure it is NASS level. I'm not confident that routine use of trail braking for road use is the way to go either. It's more of a get out of jail card when you are too hot in a corner. It can help to settle the bike down in a corner even at normal speeds, but yes, it is also used as an aid for being to hot in a corner. But say there is something that makes you need to change your line, then you have the ability to do so, and safely and camly, and if you do enter into a corner too hot then you also have that skill instead of grabbing the front hard and flying off. They are all essential safety skills that whilst not occurring every day, can be of some use, just like emergency braking.




This is quite advanced as well. I would personally like to do it if Greg is available for my own interest. My personal thoughts are you need to have quite a few other skills "down pat" before being concerned with touch points.

I wouldn't have thought it too advanced, it is taught in group 1 at the ART days and is relatively easy go comprehend and once learnt, makes cornering a whole lot safer and understandable, I have applied it into my own riding and have become a lot better because of it.

They are good questions and thank you for asking them, thinking about it more I think it would be good to have 2 groups, so that people that are competent with the basic saftey skills can then go on to upskill themselves even more. Greg has said that he will help to produce a course and with training etc.. so I think it is a viable option.

Does anybody else have any issues or comments on the above ideas?

[The Singing Chef]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M2keWo5R6_Q

Here is a video of what it includes and the speed differences they practice from.

[p.dath]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M2keWo5R6_Q

Here is a video of what it includes and the speed differences they practice from.

I see. Simple straight line rear wheel skid control. There isn't much involved in this. It doesn't start getting tricky until you are leaned over a bit or not travelling in a straight line. I must get myself some off road experience to learn that art ...

It can be easily done with emergency braking (and we can probably deal with it there, rather than having a whole session on it) when it is common (you commonly get rear wheel skids with emergency braking since the rear tyre has diminishing traction as the front wheel loads up). A lot of people end up doing it when they practise emergency braking and come to realise it is nothing to worry about.

[p.dath]

So how about we do weeks "2" and "4" over the next two weeks?


Week 2: Stop and Go, Gymkhana
Week4: Slow and Fast Gymkhana with Emergency Braking

[The Singing Chef]

I see. Simple straight line rear wheel skid control. There isn't much involved in this. It doesn't start getting tricky until you are leaned over a bit or not travelling in a straight line. I must get myself some off road experience to learn that art ...

It can be easily done with emergency braking (and we can probably deal with it there, rather than having a whole session on it) when it is common (you commonly get rear wheel skids with emergency braking since the rear tyre has diminishing traction as the front wheel loads up). A lot of people end up doing it when they practise emergency braking and come to realise it is nothing to worry about.

Yea off road would be good, I see your point. We would probably end up with a pile of bikes if we tried it leant over :shutup:


So how about we do weeks "2" and "4" over the next two weeks?

Sounds good too me.

[thehovel]

Your main group is the learners. If you scare them away NASS dies. Games for the experienced riders are great BUT secondary. NASS has nearly died a couple of times before by just this problem and I would hate to see 5 years work go down the tubes!!!!!!!

[The Singing Chef]

Your main group is the learners. If you scare them away NASS dies. Games for the experienced riders are great BUT secondary. NASS has nearly died a couple of times before by just this problem and I would hate to see 5 years work go down the tubes!!!!!!!

But if we had a second group in the above carpark and then just run 2 different sessions with different lessons then wouldn't that mean that the Learners can still learn safely and not be scared by the more experienced riders training?

[nzspokes]

But if we had a second group in the above carpark and then just run 2 different sessions with different lessons then wouldn't that mean that the Learners can still learn safely and not be scared by the more experienced riders training?

Is that not already happening? I thought i was in the "fast" group last week?

[The Singing Chef]

Is that not already happening? I thought i was in the "fast" group last week?

That was just for the group ride, been doing that while Nass has been off for christmas and till it picks up a bit. What I am looking at is a more advanced and scheduled training programme for the more experienced riders. Whilst keeping the new guys down doing the easier stuff.

[BoristheBiter]

That was just for the group ride, been doing that while Nass has been off for christmas and till it picks up a bit. What I am looking at is a more advanced and scheduled training programme for the more experienced riders. Whilst keeping the new guys down doing the easier stuff.

Come out on a Sunday.
NASS should be left for the learners, or like a few others, a chance to brush up on a few basic skills.

You have just out grown NASS, Be happy that it is now time to move to another group or get a one on one mentor.

Remember we all learn at different speeds.

[The Singing Chef]

Come out on a Sunday.
NASS should be left for the learners, or like a few others, a chance to brush up on a few basic skills.

You have just out grown NASS, Be happy that it is now time to move to another group or get a one on one mentor.

Remember we all learn at different speeds.

I go mainly for the company now so wanted to try challenge myself more. One on One mentoring sounds good, and I go to the ATNR now just for a bit of fun and I should be able to come along on Sunday, just need to see what I am actually doing.

[nzspokes]

Come out on a Sunday.
NASS should be left for the learners, or like a few others, a chance to brush up on a few basic skills.

You have just out grown NASS, Be happy that it is now time to move to another group or get a one on one mentor.

Remember we all learn at different speeds.

Agreed.:niceone:

[BoristheBiter]

I go mainly for the company now so wanted to try challenge myself more. One on One mentoring sounds good, and I go to the ATNR now just for a bit of fun and I should be able to come along on Sunday, just need to see what I am actually doing.

Sunday's are just like ATNR but just a longer ride, sometimes.
Just ask some of the better riders on how to improve as most are more than happy to give pointers.
A lot of it is now just practice and that can be done anywhere, anytime.

[offrd]

Been thinking about what was talked about at nass last week, If there are fewer learner/less experienced riders turning up, perhaps its time nass advertised.. after all.. unless you stumble upon KB... and then the nass thread... how else do you know whats available.

Like Richard said, NASS is for the less experienced riders and he put a hell of a lot of effort into nass and that would suck to turn it into an advanced group and loose what nass is all about - from the get go.

Advanced group can go off on another night.

There are plenty of other places for more advanced riders to go and play and ride.

Just my .02c

[The Singing Chef]

Been thinking about what was talked about at nass last week, If there are fewer learner/less experienced riders turning up, perhaps its time nass advertised.. after all.. unless you stumble upon KB... and then the nass thread... how else do you know whats available.

Like Richard said, NASS is for the less experienced riders and he put a hell of a lot of effort into nass and that would suck to turn it into an advanced group and loose what nass is all about - from the get go.

Advanced group can go off on another night.

There are plenty of other places for more advanced riders to go and play and ride.

Just my .02c

that's what we are doing bro, but we are just waiting for new riders to come now, till then we are catering to what we have.

[Grant`]

Just some constructive criticism for you guys - do what you will with it.

Now I don't know how you guys normally run these things, but being a new guy attending if TSC hadn't known me, I kind of got the feeling everybody would of just stared at me the entire night which is not exactly the most friendly or welcoming environment to enter into and wouldn't have been something I would of felt like attending again. (yes I was trailering my bike and not riding so little bit different to the norm I guess)

Also those tennis balls seemed to closely spaced to me, 2 people out of 7? who attempted it were able to do it at all and one fell off (I didn't see how it happened as I had my back turned) - maybe some lead in so it gets tighter towards the end of the slalom as its aimed at learners. But no one was giving any guidance or reminders/tips on how to actually improve, couple of people were looking where there handle bars were and right in front of there bike instead of where they were wanting to go (alot of the time people don't even realise they are doing those things so keep repeating same mistake) maybe someone or a few people could be passing on constructive criticism to people?

I don't even know if I could make it through that slalom :no:

Please don't take offense to the above, not trying to have a go but you guys seem keen on improving and thats just a couple of things from an outsider looking in.

[offrd]

Just some constructive criticism for you guys - do what you will with it.

Now I don't know how you guys normally run these things, but being a new guy attending if TSC hadn't known me, I kind of got the feeling everybody would of just stared at me the entire night which is not exactly the most friendly or welcoming environment to enter into and wouldn't have been something I would of felt like attending again. (yes I was trailering my bike and not riding so little bit different to the norm I guess)

Also those tennis balls seemed to closely spaced to me, 2 people out of 7? who attempted it were able to do it at all and one fell off (I didn't see how it happened as I had my back turned) - maybe some lead in so it gets tighter towards the end of the slalom as its aimed at learners. But no one was giving any guidance or reminders/tips on how to actually improve, couple of people were looking where there handle bars were and right in front of there bike instead of where they were wanting to go (alot of the time people don't even realise they are doing those things so keep repeating same mistake) maybe someone or a few people could be passing on constructive criticism to people?

I don't even know if I could make it through that slalom :no:

Please don't take offense to the above, not trying to have a go but you guys seem keen on improving and thats just a couple of things from an outsider looking in.

Thats not the best!

It had been a long while since i had been going to nass, I just toddled along with the missus back then who was/is learning to ride (pre baby) and was happy to lend a hand. After last week i relate to what you say above..... Was not able to get there last night...

It was Pdath Todd and the hovel running the show back then, not sure who is at the helm these days.

Ride right, ride safe courses start back up next month, 18th march http://bronzauckland.org.nz/bronzword/?page_id=10 Its a worthwhile course for the cost, may see some of you there...

[Grant`]

Thats not the best!

It had been a long while since i had been going to nass, I just toddled along with the missus back then who was/is learning to ride (pre baby) and was happy to lend a hand. After last week i relate to what you say above..... Was not able to get there last night...

It was Pdath Todd and the hovel running the show back then, not sure who is at the helm these days.

Ride right, ride safe courses start back up next month, 18th march http://bronzauckland.org.nz/bronzword/?page_id=10 Its a worthwhile course for the cost, may see some of you there...

Yeah as I say, i was a little bit different as I wasn't riding on the night just heading back home from trip down the line and I could of made some effort myself as well which I didn't as I was to exhausted, but being the new guy its very much a bunch of people who know each other versus one new guy which can be intimidating for a lot of people.

But its just food for thought, if people want these things to be successful then the likes of introductions to everything/everybody is probably valid and guidance assistance of some sort has to be rendered.

[The Singing Chef]

Just some constructive criticism for you guys - do what you will with it.

Now I don't know how you guys normally run these things, but being a new guy attending if TSC hadn't known me, I kind of got the feeling everybody would of just stared at me the entire night which is not exactly the most friendly or welcoming environment to enter into and wouldn't have been something I would of felt like attending again. (yes I was trailering my bike and not riding so little bit different to the norm I guess)

Also those tennis balls seemed to closely spaced to me, 2 people out of 7? who attempted it were able to do it at all and one fell off (I didn't see how it happened as I had my back turned) - maybe some lead in so it gets tighter towards the end of the slalom as its aimed at learners. But no one was giving any guidance or reminders/tips on how to actually improve, couple of people were looking where there handle bars were and right in front of there bike instead of where they were wanting to go (alot of the time people don't even realise they are doing those things so keep repeating same mistake) maybe someone or a few people could be passing on constructive criticism to people?

I don't even know if I could make it through that slalom :no:

Please don't take offense to the above, not trying to have a go but you guys seem keen on improving and thats just a couple of things from an outsider looking in.

hey grant,

yea usually its much more learning based with an easier course and more people making it, I wasn't watching most people go through so didn't think to widen the balls at all.

managed to show one guy how to balance the throttle, clutch and break though.

re no one taking to you, is a bit shit I think it was a really off night all in all.

thanks for your feedback though grant :-)

[Grant`]

hey grant,

yea usually its much more learning based with an easier course and more people making it, I wasn't watching most people go through so didn't think to widen the balls at all.

managed to show one guy how to balance the throttle, clutch and break though.

re no one taking to you, is a bit shit I think it was a really off night all in all.

thanks for your feedback though grant :-)

Yeah like I said, I didn't make any effort myself as I was rooted surprised I was still standing.... But you get somebody shy along and that may be the only time although everybody loves ya Chef so.........

Nek Minnit :Police:

plus I look a bit like a dodgey mofo so people probably don't want to talk to me hahaha.

[The Singing Chef]

Yeah like I said, I didn't make any effort myself as I was rooted surprised I was still standing.... But you get somebody shy along and that may be the only time although everybody loves ya Chef so.........

Nek Minnit :Police:

plus I look a bit like a dodgey mofo so people probably don't want to talk to me hahaha.

well I didn't want to say anything... but you smelt like an old cum sock :bleh: haha

yea I'm surprised you were still standing too! I make sure to give the new girls a great welcome... lol

[Grant`]

well I didn't want to say anything... but you smelt like an old cum sock :bleh: haha

yea I'm surprised you were still standing too! I make sure to give the new girls a great welcome... lol

I put on that 'old cum sock' scent just for you, didn't you like it ? :confused:

[BoristheBiter]

well I didn't want to say anything... but you smelt like an old cum sock :bleh: haha

yea I'm surprised you were still standing too! I make sure to give the new girls a great welcome... lol

to be so young as to remember what a cum sock smells like

[The Singing Chef]

I put on that 'old cum sock' scent just for you, didn't you like it ? :confused:

:shit: I knew it!


to be so young as to remember what a cum sock smells like

:laugh::laugh: If ya wanna remember, just ask Grant. :msn-wink:

[Grant`]

:laugh::laugh: If ya wanna remember, just ask Grant. :msn-wink:

I only did it for you, no one else :no:

[p.dath]

Now I don't know how you guys normally run these things, but being a new guy attending if TSC hadn't known me, I kind of got the feeling everybody would of just stared at me the entire night which is not exactly the most friendly or welcoming environment to enter into and wouldn't have been something I would of felt like attending again. (yes I was trailering my bike and not riding so little bit different to the norm I guess)

That is a two way street - only one party has to come over to say hello. You could've come over to everyone else .... :)

I normally make a point of introducing myself to everyone new so they feel welcome. In your case I noticed that you weren't riding a bike, were hanging back, and was talking to someone you seemed to know off to one side. So I got the impression you just wanted to watch rather than join in.


Also those tennis balls seemed to closely spaced to me, 2 people out of 7? who attempted it were able to do it at all and one fell off (I didn't see how it happened as I had my back turned) - maybe some lead in so it gets tighter towards the end of the slalom as its aimed at learners. But no one was giving any guidance or reminders/tips on how to actually improve, couple of people were looking where there handle bars were and right in front of there bike instead of where they were wanting to go (alot of the time people don't even realise they are doing those things so keep repeating same mistake) maybe someone or a few people could be passing on constructive criticism to people?

The difficulty of the lesson is tailored based on how many times everyone has been before. All except one person has been coming along for over a year. All except one person has been to a lot of the slow riding courses. As a result, the difficulty level was increased on the night.
The one newer rider I personally spent some one on one time with. He had recently done an ACC class and spent quite a bit of the lesson time on slow riding skills. In his case I mostly gave him some extra tips to work on.

We also spent some time looking at some of the brake pads on the bikes, and identified one bike in urgent need of replacement pads.

The comments about giving guidance are noted, but most of those who attended last night had attended a lot of times, and already know full well where to look. No excuse. I guess I feel more reluctant to tell the more experienced riders what they should do. I guess I should view it more as giving them a reminder.

The one person who fell off did so because they stalled their bike while doing the slow manoeuvring. Their speed was below walking pace. We don't have it happen often, but it does happen when people are learning new skills. Just a fact of life. I would much prefer they fell off in the car park, than trying to do the same thing around a round-a-bout or in traffic.

I'm not sure when you counted, but I saw just about everyone do the exercise. Certainly more than 2 people.



I don't even know if I could make it through that slalom :no:

It wasn't meant to be easy. I wasn't able to make it either. Doesn't mean that it wasn't a worthwhile exercise because not everyone could do it easily.



Please don't take offense to the above, not trying to have a go but you guys seem keen on improving and thats just a couple of things from an outsider looking in.

Thanks for your comments. All input gratefully accepted. :)

[Sharry]

All input is helpful, although I as well saw you standing by your vehichle and talking to someone and as I have only been thrice in the last year had no idea that you did not know anyone else. I'm sorry you felt a bit on the outside, maybe you could have asked your good friend to share you around :yes:

[Grant`]

That is a two way street - only one party has to come over to say hello. You could've come over to everyone else .... :)

I normally make a point of introducing myself to everyone new so they feel welcome. In your case I noticed that you weren't riding a bike, were hanging back, and was talking to someone you seemed to know off to one side. So I got the impression you just wanted to watch rather than join in.

But this is where you guys need to make the effort - Its 1 new person in a group of 8+ people someone shy is going to say fuck all and possibly not come back becuase of it.... You guys are ones who don't want to see Nass die.



The difficulty of the lesson is tailored based on how many times everyone has been before. All except one person has been coming along for over a year. All except one person has been to a lot of the slow riding courses. As a result, the difficulty level was increased on the night.
The one newer rider I personally spent some one on one time with. He had recently done an ACC class and spent quite a bit of the lesson time on slow riding skills. In his case I mostly gave him some extra tips to work on.

Doesn't mean to say that a slalom couldn't ease in even if just first couple were little wider rather than straight into a full lock turn?



We also spent some time looking at some of the brake pads on the bikes, and identified one bike in urgent need of replacement pads.

This I commend, thats great to see you are also throwing in routine inspection maintenance to the attendance.



The comments about giving guidance are noted, but most of those who attended last night had attended a lot of times, and already know full well where to look. No excuse. I guess I feel more reluctant to tell the more experienced riders what they should do. I guess I should view it more as giving them a reminder.

I just think there needs to be someone to be there keeping an eye on things even if just passing on praise for a job well done...



The one person who fell off did so because they stalled their bike while doing the slow manoeuvring. Their speed was below walking pace. We don't have it happen often, but it does happen when people are learning new skills. Just a fact of life. I would much prefer they fell off in the car park, than trying to do the same thing around a round-a-bout or in traffic.

I don't disagree about anything here, I appreciate what you guys are trying to do with it but i guess above reply comes into play, people don't realise a lot of the time they are doing something wrong and most people take Constructive Criticism well and if they don't they are not there to learn anything as they already know it all.



I'm not sure when you counted, but I saw just about everyone do the exercise. Certainly more than 2 people.

Like I say, I only saw 2 people complete the whole course, I was gas bagging for a lot of it.



It wasn't meant to be easy. I wasn't able to make it either. Doesn't mean that it wasn't a worthwhile exercise because not

Never said it wasn't worthwhile, I just said it could of been eased into - like anything you warm up before a sports event, you warm up your tyres before you push them to there limits etc.


All input is helpful, although I as well saw you standing by your vehichle and talking to someone and as I have only been thrice in the last year had no idea that you did not know anyone else. I'm sorry you felt a bit on the outside, maybe you could have asked your good friend to share you around :yes:

Heh, its all good I didn't feel outside, I felt like if I hadn't known anybody nobody would of made the effort to really come and talk to me unless I made the effort and If it was someone shy they possibly would of carried on driving or never come back again and they don't want nass to die so i just feel the collective group who know each other should make that effort to welcome new people....

But as I say its all observations not picking on anyone or saying its wrong how you do things this is just my perspective. :love:

[Grant`]

God damn multi quoting takes ages :laugh:

[LankyBastard]

If my bike wasn't f'd I'd have said hi Grant.

Sounds like a good discussion though, many valid points brought up! All will help to improve NASS.

Catch you all soon.

[OutForADuck]

Guys, Sorry I didn't make it Wed night. I had some VP's over from India and Aust and that was that.

Grant to put this into perspective, the guys are normally very welcoming and there is a lot more instruction (Again sorry to let you guys down). Just the week before it had been discussed tha the level of riders was raising and we didn't seem to be getting new riders through as much as usual over the last year.

I suspect there are lots of reason for that but a lot of discussion was had about how to at track more and also how to cater for the more skilled riders that are there currently.

Your right because of the above it has become a tight knit group of regulars. But I think you also hit a night where it sounds like phil was on his own as far as instruction goes as us others were missing in action.

Lanky, heard about the lay down... hope your not too sore and the bike is on the fast route to being back on the road.

[Jeeves]

All input is helpful, although I as well saw you standing by your vehichle and talking to someone and as I have only been thrice in the last year had no idea that you did not know anyone else. I'm sorry you felt a bit on the outside, maybe you could have asked your good friend to share you around


Heh, its all good I didn't feel outside, I felt like if I hadn't known anybody nobody would of made the effort to really come and talk to me unless I made the effort and If it was someone shy they possibly would of carried on driving or never come back again and they don't want nass to die so i just feel the collective group who know each other should make that effort to welcome new people....

It was a good Chat tho. Time to go order new rear sets. :laugh:

[lidra]

Hi All,

I am a new rider, and I would like to join you.
Can you please tell me if you are going to meet this Wednesday (15 of Feb) ? Also where about (Meet at Shell Westgate or Albany Noel Lemming Carpark ?).

Regards,

Liviu

[p.dath]

Hi All,

I am a new rider, and I would like to join you.
Can you please tell me if you are going to meet this Wednesday (15 of Feb) ? Also where about (Meet at Shell Westgate or Albany Noel Lemming Carpark ?).

Regards,

Liviu

Yes, we will be there. We start at the Shell Westgate if you are up for a ride, otherwise meet us at the car park in Albany.

[OutForADuck]

Guys, I'm stuck at work today.. so will not be making it tonight. Be happy to just get home before too long :facepalm:

[The Singing Chef]

Guys, I'm stuck at work today.. so will not be making it tonight. Be happy to just get home before too long :facepalm:

Yea I won't be along either, thanks to my demerits going over 100 and losing my license for 3 months. Also I am selling my bike so I will try and send along the new guy, depending on where he lives.

If anyone wants to pick up the balls flick me a PM.

[nzspokes]

If anyone wants to pick up the balls flick me a PM.

You want some body to pick your..........:shit:

[The Singing Chef]

You want some body to pick your..........:shit:

Yes, you are correct :innocent:

[Rehab]

Also I am selling my bike so I will try and send along the new guy, depending on where he lives.

If anyone wants to lick my balls flick me a PM.

Selling it or sold it? That was quick!

[The Singing Chef]

Selling it or sold it? That was quick!

Sold, as of just now! $1800 and a laptop haha. Was only on TM for 4 hours.

[nzspokes]

Sold, as of just now! $1800 and a laptop haha. Was only on TM for 4 hours.

The GSX? Thats not bad money for it.

[The Singing Chef]

The GSX? Thats not bad money for it.

Na not at all! I was expecting 1.5 for it. More like hoping really! Yea the GSX. When I get my license back I will just get my Sv650 as I only have 3 months left till full and I don't want to buy a bike and then sell a bike and then buy a bike again. Too much hassle, just have to stay under the radar!

[The Singing Chef]

257649
I am slightly aroused.

[Grant`]

257649
I am slightly aroused.

That was quick then! Now its here, now its gone. :shutup:

[The Singing Chef]

That was quick then! Now its here, now its gone. :shutup:

Yea tell me about it! It disappeared so quickly! Look forward to my new bike though!

[Grant`]

Yea tell me about it! It disappeared so quickly! Look forward to my new bike though!

Have you found one or still looking at different models/types?

[Rehab]

Sold, as of just now! $1800 and a laptop haha. Was only on TM for 4 hours.

Shit, well played! Now just hope that you don't look back and regret selling it - like I do with all but 2 of the bikes I've sold....:bye:

[The Singing Chef]

Have you found one or still looking at different models/types?

Will be a little while till I get one so still browsing, I am pretty certain on the Sv650 since I already know the bike, but also considering the thou version and a couple of other bikes.


Shit, well played! Now just hope that you don't look back and regret selling it - like I do with all but 2 of the bikes I've sold....:bye:

Na I won't regret it, I would just be tempted to ride it if it was still here.

[Grant`]

Will be a little while till I get one so still browsing, I am pretty certain on the Sv650 since I already know the bike, but also considering the thou version and a couple of other bikes.


The thousand will be thirsty compared to the 650, although you were getting same mileage as i get out of my thou on your 250 lolz... However big thing to take into account is that thou will chew tyres a shit load quicker than a 650 and your 250.

650 still best bang for buck, fuel/power/tyre ratio in my eyes :yes:

[The Singing Chef]

Have you found one or still looking at different models/types?


Shit, well played! Now just hope that you don't look back and regret selling it - like I do with all but 2 of the bikes I've sold....:bye:


The thousand will be thirsty compared to the 650, although you were getting same mileage as i get out of my thou on your 250 lolz... However big thing to take into account is that thou will chew tyres a shit load quicker than a 650 and your 250.

650 still best bang for buck, fuel/power/tyre ratio in my eyes :yes:

Yea that's what's holding me back. The thou looks a hell of a lot nicer though. Yea it would chew everything quicker haha

[Grant`]

Yea that's what's holding me back. The thou looks a hell of a lot nicer though. Yea it would chew everything quicker haha

Decisions, Decisions :shit:

[The Singing Chef]

Decisions, Decisions :shit:

I know! Cause I can get a damn nice thou for cheaper than the 650 as well. Haha just depends on what I get really...

[The Singing Chef]

The firestorms are pretty sexy. Hmmm

[OCD Legend]

The firestorms are pretty sexy. Hmmm

NOT pretty - they are DAMN sex on WHEELS - I miss Mike's Firestorm (the ladies like firestorms...)

[The Singing Chef]

NOT pretty - they are DAMN sex on WHEELS - I miss Mike's Firestorm (the ladies like firestorms...)

Quite cheap as well, definitely another option.

[Grant`]

The firestorms are pretty sexy. Hmmm

This would be better!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFwpfGxlaHc&feature=related

[The Singing Chef]

This would be better!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFwpfGxlaHc&feature=related

That is cool! good luck finding one in NZ though.

[Grant`]

That is cool! good luck finding one in NZ though.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/videos/2011/July/jul2011-video-honda-nr750-onboard/

Sounds kind of funky also. dreams are free eh.

[p.dath]

Yea I won't be along either, thanks to my demerits going over 100 and losing my license for 3 months. Also I am selling my bike so I will try and send along the new guy, depending on where he lives.

If anyone wants to pick up the balls flick me a PM.

What suburb do you live in? Which suburb do you work in?

[The Singing Chef]

What suburb do you live in? Which suburb do you work in?

live in waterview and work in cbd.

[Grant`]

live in waterview and work in cbd.

Avondale :shifty:

[Rehab]

Avondale :shifty:

Ponsonby West innit? Gay bogan anyone....?

[Hellzie]

Ponsonby West innit? Gay bogan anyone....?

I saw you on Krd today. :yes:

[Rehab]

I saw you on Krd today. :yes:

Usually the short skirt and lipstick mean that people don't recognise me, so well played.

[Grant`]

Usually the short skirt and lipstick mean that people don't recognise me, so well played.


Short Skirt, Lip Stick - Must be a Honda thing eh :confused:

[OutForADuck]

Hope the weather improves for you guys... but I am yet again unable to make it tonight.

For those that try their luck in the weather... have a good one and hopefully I'll make it back next week :weep:

[D3ADLYTuna]

so how many people usually turn up to this thing eh! ????

[Sharry]

Somewhere between 6 and 26 :)

[p.dath]

so how many people usually turn up to this thing eh! ????

Tonight, for the first time ever, just me. But I had a great ride, so I'm glad I went.

[The Singing Chef]

Tonight, for the first time ever, just me. But I had a great ride, so I'm glad I went.

If I had my bike I would have been there! As long as you had fun!

[RUSS]

Tonight, for the first time ever, just me. But I had a great ride, so I'm glad I went.

I totally would have been there had I not been off work sick. Really.

[p.dath]

I doubt I'll be along tonight. I have a family medical situation to deal with.

[Jeeves]

Thanks for the ride guys, had a blast

[Glowerss]

Is this still going on? :) Only been riding 3 weeks (though probably 600km in those 3 weeks lol) and this looks like a fantastic place to learn =) Be quite keen to meet some expericed riders :)

Cheers!

[Sharry]

Sure it is, and a new newbie is what it is all about :niceone:

We meet at shell Westgate at 6:30 pm to leave at 7pm and go up Riverhead Coastville Rd to Albany mega Centre carpark. After that we head off to Bar Africa for a chat.

[Glowerss]

Rock on :) I live in Glen Eden so Westgate is just out my neck of the woods :) looking forward to it :)

[Sharry]

Lovely, I live in Glen Eden as well :)

[Jeeves]

I'll be there guys. hopfully work doesn't hold me up to late.

[nzspokes]

Good ride for you Nass L platers.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/147511-Learner-Three-Day-North-Ride-%28Friday-April-20th%29

Great fun and you will learn. :cool:

[OutForADuck]

I'm planning on being there tonight as long as work agrees :( been getting in the way a lot recently:baby:

The Beemer will be out to play for the first time as well!!!!

[imw-hornet]

Lovely, I live in Glen Eden as well :)

Hay Sharry , looks like you are looking for a date , ha ha :rolleyes:

[Sharry]

Not sure that I will be turning up, It's starting to drop water from above, and I don't fancy playing in the rain for the fun of it.

[OutForADuck]

I'm also not going to make it along in the rain way too many other things to do in wet weather :(

[Glowerss]

Was wet but heaps of fun and learned some important stuff :) Thanks for the help fellas, was cool meeting you guys =D

[imw-hornet]

Was wet but heaps of fun and learned some important stuff :) Thanks for the help fellas, was cool meeting you guys =D

Was Great meeting you and having a chat.
Should have stayed a bit longer , after every one left it got real interesting ,,,, my mates bike battery died and did not want to start :weep: , so trying to push a 900 in a wet car park started off fun but was short lived :nono: anyway had to go home and lucky had a spear battery that we put it ,,, gave it a jump and he headed off home .
Still have to check the battery as i think that it has a dead short .

Anyway had fun and hope to see you next week :banana:

[p.dath]

Was Great meeting you and having a chat.
Should have stayed a bit longer , after every one left it got real interesting ,,,, my mates bike battery died and did not want to start :weep: , so trying to push a 900 in a wet car park started off fun but was short lived :nono: anyway had to go home and lucky had a spear battery that we put it ,,, gave it a jump and he headed off home .
Still have to check the battery as i think that it has a dead short .

Anyway had fun and hope to see you next week :banana:

You sure it didn't just get wet? Try a bit of CRC to get rid of the moisture.

[D3ADLYTuna]

So who is keen tonight. weather is looking very nice so far.
Put me down for westgate.

[p.dath]

I'm keen.

Is anyone going to the car park for sure? A longer ride might be nice.

[Armi]

I'll be there tonight for the first time in ages

[Jeeves]

I'll be there for sure. And keen for longer ride.

[Glowerss]

I'll be there as well for the second time :) Longer ride would be pretty cool.

[D3ADLYTuna]

Great ride guys. Cheers to whoever was leading. Nice roads that i haven't been on in ages. ( 5 years )
Good to see so many people still active with KB and getting into biking! There is always something new to learn.
If anyone is keen for rides during the week or weekend then feel free to PM or txt me on 021 979 311.
Also for those of you who live on Facebook here is a group that is bikers only to organise rides around and meet ups.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/357715987574525/

Join up and lets see some people come out for a cruise for lunch and a chat.

Am also thinking of organising a BBQ for all those riders who are keen to meet up. Meet some new bikers and make some new mates.

Keep an eye on Meetings and Events for a Thread regarding this later!

Ride safe!

[Westy_mate]

So anyone coming out tonight? i finally got my Bike roadworthy and finished!!

[p.dath]

So anyone coming out tonight? i finally got my Bike roadworthy and finished!!

I expect to be along.

[D3ADLYTuna]

im down if its not raining. just put new tires on and dont wanna drop my beast.

[p.dath]

There was a large turn out of 1 last night, including myself. However I still had a great time learning.

I chose to wear my nylon rain over-suit. In case you haven't ridden with such a rain suit on before, they are like ice skating. You get no grip against the bike at all. So you tend to adopt a riding style that doesn't require you to need to apply pressue with your body against the tank as a result. In my case, I tended to put a little bit more weight on the pegs so my bum doesn't put as much weight on the seat. That helps stop me sliding around so much (otherwise your bum just ice skates over the seat).
I also made sure to keep my arms loose and nice and relaxed.

I think I am going to try and glue some rubber strips on the rain suit around the inside of the legs to help in the future.

The old Riverhead-Coatesville ride we normally did had a lot of water on the road. So I tended to ride a modified line staying to parts of the road that I could see (as opposed to all the shiny patches covered in water).

Even so I still managed to have one fun moment around a corner with a small amount of lean on. First I heard the engine RPM drop. Then I heard a "woosh" sound, then a saw a spray of white out of the corner of my eye, and finally the sensation of the rear wheel stepping out. About 2 seconds later all of this information arrived at my brain ready for a decision to be made, but alas by then the bike had already corrected itself and there was nothing to do as I pulled out of the corner.

I also managed to get the back end twitching coming up to one intersection when changing down (note to self - need more blipping when changing down in heavy rain as compared to the dry - or to change down more gently).


For the second Wednesday in a row the car park had quite a few cars in it. I noticed that Spotlight and Kathmandu were open (Kathmandu was just closing). It doesn't seem like enough stores to explain all the cars though, especially in such terrible weather. If it happens a third Wednesday in a row we might need to start looking for another safer car park.

[Ntoxcated]

Even so I still managed to have one fun moment around a corner with a small amount of lean on. First I heard the engine RPM drop. Then I heard a "woosh" sound, then a saw a spray of white out of the corner of my eye, and finally the sensation of the rear wheel stepping out. About 2 seconds later all of this information arrived at my brain ready for a decision to be made, but alas by then the bike had already corrected itself and there was nothing to do as I pulled out of the corner.

YeeHaa! I think it is when we try to correct it, sometimes it makes it worse :)



For the second Wednesday in a row the car park had quite a few cars in it. I noticed that Spotlight and Kathmandu were open (Kathmandu was just closing). It doesn't seem like enough stores to explain all the cars though, especially in such terrible weather. If it happens a third Wednesday in a row we might need to start looking for another safer car park.

I believe it was Spotlight's grand opening so perhaps a few more cars than usual.

[bc.worldlive]

whoa this thread is old, but do they still run these training sessions?
i'd love to come along

[p.dath]

whoa this thread is old, but do they still run these training sessions?
i'd love to come along

Sure do...

[bc.worldlive]

alright! just show up then? oooh rats, id better get my wof first ay, hehe

[p.dath]

alright! just show up then? oooh rats, id better get my wof first ay, hehe

Yes, just show up. It's that easy.

Meet us at the service station mentioned in the first post so you can do the ride as well.

[RUSS]

Well I am actually working tomorrow evening so hope to make it along to the car park. If the weather is good I'll allow a little longer on the assumption people will be out enjoying the weather on a longer ride. See you there unless I get stuck at a crash or something.

[The Singing Chef]

Well I am actually working tomorrow evening so hope to make it along to the car park. If the weather is good I'll allow a little longer on the assumption people will be out enjoying the weather on a longer ride. See you there unless I get stuck at a crash or something.

Ahh the red bull girls, just a quick "check" huh? :shifty: Is that Heath on the right?

[RUSS]

Ahh the red bull girls, just a quick "check" huh? :shifty: Is that Heath on the right?

Yes it is. And they found us. It was fashion week I think and thery were out giving the product out. Had a boot full of ice and drinks. Yummy.

[The Singing Chef]

Yes it is. And they found us. It was fashion week I think and thery were out giving the product out. Had a boot full of ice and drinks. Yummy.

Haha can spot that mug anywhere! Mmm the Red Bull giveaway, they came out to an ART day once, made my day.

[Jeeves]

I'll be there tomorrow, Got my hands on a sound meter as well so bring your noise bikes people and we will see if they will pass the proposed noise restrictions at pupuke.

[Virgil]

Weather is looking good, I'll be out tonight, see you all there!

[Jeeves]

anyone riding?

[The Singing Chef]

Greg and I should be out.

[gravedigger]

anyone riding?

If I'd make it out of the office in the next hour... but I somehow doubt it :crybaby:

[Jeeves]

Hey matt, I'll have to come then.

[The Singing Chef]

Hey matt, I'll have to come then.

Damn straight, I will be pillion though, one more month! :woohoo:

[D3ADLYTuna]

im keen to come. will meet at westgate

[JamesRoberts]

I'll be there and same with will

[D3ADLYTuna]

See you boys there then. ill prob arrive about 650ish, depending on traffic.

[Qaz]

Anyone reckon this would pass scrutinizing for a Art day?

http://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/2DPRTN0FG/title/demon-flex-force-pro-spine-guard

Saw it there and thought pretty cheap , wonder if it'd be any good?;)

[p.dath]

Anyone reckon this would pass scrutinizing for a Art day?

http://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/2DPRTN0FG/title/demon-flex-force-pro-spine-guard

Saw it there and thought pretty cheap , wonder if it'd be any good?;)

Personally, I'd buy something designed for motorcycling. I suspect it is "cheap" because it was not designed with motorsport in mind. This is what it says about this on their web site:


The Demon Body Armor is ideal suited for Snowboarding Body armor, Skiing Upper Body Protection, Snowmobiling Protective Gear.

My guess though is that it would pass inspection. You can buy an Oxford bakc protector from Cycletreads. I see the "M" size is on special for $99 at the moment ... plus their is the Easter sale on at the moment.
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/295-protection_road_and_sport_ridi/3138-oxford_mens_impax_back_protect.aspx

[p.dath]

I'll be along tonight if anyone is crazy enough to join me.

Because of the poor weather I am only going to do the ride and skip the cark park session.

[Sharry]

I, for one, found that not an inch of my leggings is water proof after the weekend wash :cry:

So won't be putting them on again tonight, or a dry pair actually as one set of wet gear is enough for the dehumidifyer at a time :yes:

[p.dath]

I, for one, found that not an inch of my leggings is water proof after the weekend wash :cry:

Time for the bees wax ...

[The Singing Chef]

Time for the bees wax ...

Good idea, might do mine up and get it ready for when I can ride.

[D3ADLYTuna]

so to ride in an art day you HAVE to wear a PROPER back protector?
strange.
MOTO TT doesnt require it.

[The Singing Chef]

so to ride in an art day you HAVE to wear a PROPER back protector?
strange.
MOTO TT doesnt require it.

Yep you are correct on that one, and yea I noticed that on the MOTO TT site, found it a little odd.

[p.dath]

so to ride in an art day you HAVE to wear a PROPER back protector?
strange.
MOTO TT doesnt require it.

+1. You require a proper back protector. ART days are run under MNZ (http://www.mnz.co.nz/) rules. AMCC is an affiliated club.

I imagine being a commercial organisation Moto TT has no affiliation to the national body for motorcycle racing, and no requirement to follow its rules.


And just to clarify some mis-understandings around back protectors. Back protectors are not designed to provide abrasion resistance. A back protector can not be relied upon to protect your back should your jacket and pants separate. They are usually made from a plastic that will wear through very very quickly.

Back protectors are only designed to provide impact protection. Specifically the standard provides two classes of back protection, class 1 and class 2. Class 1 protectors must limit the impact energy transferred through to your back to 16000N. Class 2 protectors must limit the energy transfer to 8000N.
It is commonly accepted that you back is guaranteed to break if it is exposed to more than 4000N, and it is highly probable (more than 99% from memory) that you will experience death at the same limit.

So to be clear, a back protector will not save your back, or even your life, if you take a direct hard impact to your back.


What a back protector does do is reduce bruising to your spine and back, and reduce the seriousness of injury should be have a light hit to your back.

[p.dath]

Personally, I am not convinced of the value of back protectors - but I do have one, and wear it when I am on the open road.


If you had the choice of spending $200 (entry level cost of a back protector) on a back protector, or getting $200 more of boots, jackets, pants or gloves (such as armoured boots, armoured apparel or gloves or leather), than I would tell you to spend your $200 there first.
I feel spending $200 extra in those areas will probably result in an increase in protection that would make a greater difference than a back protector.

However if you already have good gear, and you want to spend even more money on gear, then sure, start looking at back protectors.


The racing fraternity is a little different. You would have to be a mad man to go racing at speeds up to and over 300km/h and not already have really good gear. And what's more, you would probably have spent 2 to 4 times more on that gear than a typical non-racing road rider. So once you have made that investment, investing a small extra faction in a back protector is not such a big deal.


So now back to ART. So there is a requirement to have a back protector. Personally I am saying that for group 1 I don't think it is going to make much difference. HOWEVER imagine if you were making that safety decision on behalf of everyone in group 1, and after repealing that requirement someone *did* back a back accident. There would be no way to tell if a back protector could have prevented it (for the reasons mentioned above), but it would play terribly on your mind. Also bear in mind if there was such an accident OSH would almost be certain to investigate. Would the AMCC be able to pass the test of "had it taken all reasonable steps to ensure the safety of participants". And removing such a requirement would certainly make it easy for an OSH official to say "no".
So for those reasons I think it will always be a permanent requirement to wear a back protector at ART days.

[D3ADLYTuna]

so who is heading along tonight? or is it even on?

[zealchick]

We are hoping to....depending on what time we finish work :-)

[Sharry]

I am too. Havn't been along to NASS much latelty so thought I would make what I could of the weather :sunny:

[D3ADLYTuna]

turns out i cant come as i need to go check out flats lol. fail.

[p.dath]

I should be along.

[p.dath]

Looks like it might be a nice evening ride. Not sure who's going to be along, but I plan to be there tonight.

Remember to where an extra layer. It will get cold on the ride home.

[Gremlin]

Still at shell westgate? There right now. :)

[MarkW]

It just so happens that I am down from the winterless north this week and Wednesday night has been kept free so that I can drop into Albany around 7.30 this week (May 2nd) and then on to the eatery afterwards.

[The Singing Chef]

It just so happens that I am down from the winterless north this week and Wednesday night has been kept free so that I can drop into Albany around 7.30 this week (May 2nd) and then on to the eatery afterwards.

Pity I won't be riding, would be good to catch up! Might see if I can pillion out.

[nzspokes]

It just so happens that I am down from the winterless north this week and Wednesday night has been kept free so that I can drop into Albany around 7.30 this week (May 2nd) and then on to the eatery afterwards.

What day are you heading back up Mark? Few of us still doing this http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/147511-Cancelled-Learner-Three-Day-North-Ride-%28Friday-4-May%29?p=1130314094#post1130314094 . Its mostly cancelled but a few of us are still doing it.

Still remember a few of your lessons from the last ride. :Punk:

[p.dath]

I hope the weather is good this Wednesday with MarkW coming along.

I have a good exercise I want to try that I have read about in a physchology book. I want to put something flat down, like a coaster, and get people to try riding over it (if it is too easy, we'll use more than one coaster).
We can try this in a straight line, and then in a corner.

The book I'm reading says if you look at the coaster you'll keep missing it (due to the way the brain works), and that to hit it you have to look beyond it, and only observe the coaster in your lower peripheral vision.


ps. Does anyone have some flat paper/card coasters that don't mind having some tyre marks over?

[Maha]

Last time I looked at a Coaster he had dreads and only three teeth....or was it a she? :confused:

[nzspokes]

I hope the weather is good this Wednesday with MarkW coming along.

I have a good exercise I want to try that I have read about in a physchology book. I want to put something flat down, like a coaster, and get people to try riding over it (if it is too easy, we'll use more than one coaster).
We can try this in a straight line, and then in a corner.

The book I'm reading says if you look at the coaster you'll keep missing it (due to the way the brain works), and that to hit it you have to look beyond it, and only observe the coaster in your lower peripheral vision.


ps. Does anyone have some flat paper/card coasters that don't mind having some tyre marks over?

Pfft, At Sass we do that with 2x4s. With nails in em. And land mines either side. :oi-grr:

:bleh:

[p.dath]

Pfft, At Sass we do that with 2x4s. With nails in em. And land mines either side. :oi-grr:

:bleh:

Pfft. 2x4's? How could you miss something as huge as that!

[p.dath]

I'm trying to get hold of MethaneBirds, but alas he has disabled emails, private messages and visitor messages - so I can't message him.

Does anyone have his contact details?

[The Singing Chef]

I'm trying to get hold of MethaneBirds, but alas he has disabled emails, private messages and visitor messages - so I can't message him.

Does anyone have his contact details?

I'll message him on Facebook to talk to you.

[The Singing Chef]

From Facebook as well, seems to be M.I.A will ask another mate about him.

[Mom]

I'm trying to get hold of MethaneBirds, but alas he has disabled emails, private messages and visitor messages - so I can't message him.

Does anyone have his contact details?

He has changed his name and joined the witness protection programme apparently :yes:

[nzmikey]

I'm trying to get hold of MethaneBirds, but alas he has disabled emails, private messages and visitor messages - so I can't message him.

Does anyone have his contact details?

I just called his phone ..... it is now disconnected , I will head over after work as I know where he lives .....
I do hope he is ok

[p.dath]

It's a bit of a worrying sign when a biker suddenly goes very quiet. A disconnected phone doesn't sound good.

[The Singing Chef]

It's a bit of a worrying sign when a biker suddenly goes very quiet. A disconnected phone doesn't sound good.

it's worrying when anyone does that. I hope he is ok too, contact from a couple of days ago said he was doing alright

[Timmeh:P]

Hmmm... Saw him at Pukekohe, and I know Hellzie has seen him riding around on his courier bike recently.

Wonder whats up! :blink:

[Grant`]

He is still alive, I talked to him via text. :-)

[Hellzie]

Stalkers, the lot of ya! :shifty:

I saw his bike on Monday.

[Virgil]

Stalkers, the lot of ya! :shifty:

I saw his bike on Monday.

Nah, just concerned ... it is a trifle unusual behaviour.

I for one got to quite like the wierd prick, and hope that nothing untoward has befallen him.

Although bike sightings are a good sign...

God, I hope he hasnt gone and gotten involved with ... a girl ...:shit:

[Maha]

Spoke to Birdie yesterday....his reasons for having a clean out were aired and he is very very ok with life at the moment.
The ''virtual'' world can get timesome and I totally understand where he is at right now.

p.dath?...if you want his number to contact him re bike parts..just ask, its ok by Birds.

[p.dath]

There is about a 10% chance I wont be along tonight, as I'm just finishing off some work on my bike.

[Jeeves]

seems like a good night here.

[p.dath]

I'm going to have my bike in at the workshop this Wednesday, but I should be able to come along in the car to help out.

On the flip side, I have seen a bike in Cyclespot that I quite like the look at, so I might just end up on a completely different bike next week ...


And then for some added pressue I need to make sure I have something for the Hampton Downs ART day this Sunday ...

[OutForADuck]

I'm going to have my bike in at the workshop this Wednesday, but I should be able to come along in the car to help out.

On the flip side, I have seen a bike in Cyclespot that I quite like the look at, so I might just end up on a completely different bike next week ...


And then for some added pressue I need to make sure I have something for the Hampton Downs ART day this Sunday ...

Phil if it's not pouring with rain want to come out on the back of the Beemer, if your bike less ?

[p.dath]

Phil if it's not pouring with rain want to come out on the back of the Beemer, if your bike less ?

I would say yes ... but I'd still have to get there. So I'll take the car and play support vehicle this time. Thanks for the offer.

[The Singing Chef]

Phil if it's not pouring with rain want to come out on the back of the Beemer, if your bike less ?

I see how it is...

Filthy slut...:shifty:







:bleh:

[p.dath]

For those coming out on Wednesday (and that don't have a pinlock visor) you may want to consider coating your visor (very lightly) with a polish like a Coruba wax product or pledge. It'll help the rain run off, and help stop with the fogging.

[thehovel]

For those coming out on Wednesday (and that don't have a pinlock visor) you may want to consider coating your visor (very lightly) with a polish like a Coruba wax product or pledge. It'll help the rain run off, and help stop with the fogging.

Make sure it is silicone free. Not sure why though???? I've found that cake is better that airosol. Regards Richard

[p.dath]

Make sure it is silicone free. Not sure why though???? I've found that cake is better that airosol. Regards Richard

Great to see you still watching over things! :)

[p.dath]

I'm going to give tonight a miss.

I had an early start, a late job, was up half the night with a sick child, the bikes in the shop, the weather is shit, and all I can think about is bed.

[MarkW]

Greetings all,

I'm in Auckland again, complete with tennis balls this time. If any one is feeling adventurous this Wednesday I was thinking that, if fine, stopping in a corner could be a useful new skill. And if it is wet then ordinary straight line braking practice would be a good idea with winter almost upon us. If by chance it is snowing then a social theory lesson can be organised for the warmer climes of Bar Africa.

Cheers,

Mark W

[p.dath]

Greetings all,

I'm in Auckland again, complete with tennis balls this time. If any one is feeling adventurous this Wednesday I was thinking that, if fine, stopping in a corner could be a useful new skill. And if it is wet then ordinary straight line braking practice would be a good idea with winter almost upon us. If by chance it is snowing then a social theory lesson can be organised for the warmer climes of Bar Africa.

Cheers,

Mark W

Sounds excellent to me!!! Plus I also have a new bike, as of last Friday.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=459754564

[LankyBastard]

Sounds excellent to me!!! Plus I also have a new bike, as of last Friday.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=459754564

Congrats mate, looks awesome!

I'm hoping to come along (finally), need to sharpen up my skills having been off the bike due to injury (aka crashing)

Cheers!!

[p.dath]

I'm going to bring some chalk along for the ride.

One of the things I've been reading about recently (with regard to the physchology of riding) is about riders being able to accurately access their riding (which we mostly can't do).
One of the simple tests is to draw a chalk line across your tyre, go riding, and when done compare how much chalk is left versus how much leaning you thought you were doing.

The trick is not to get rid of the chalk - just to try and match how you "think" you are riding to how you actually are riding.

Apparently newer riders often think they are leaning right over "at the limit", and this shows how much lean was actually left.

[Onetap]

Ill be there :)

On the new R6!!

Oh its Dane btw

[Jeeves]

see you all there

[numbersixteen16]

Apparently newer riders often think they are leaning right over "at the limit", and this shows how much lean was actually left.

If my pegs are scraping through corners, am I leaning over enough?
I want to test your chalk idea anyway, I reckon the bike could lean further.. just need smaller pegs.

[The Singing Chef]

If my pegs are scraping through corners, am I leaning over enough?
I want to test your chalk idea anyway, I reckon the bike could lean further.. just need smaller pegs.

Yeah... I would start moving my body off the bike now so that it doesn't need to lean as far, keep in mind that the more tread you have the more grip you will have and the safer you will be.

Search up on how to lean off a bike or go onto www.abbiss.co.nz for some great riding info.

But hey, at least you aren't afraid to lean over!