North Auckland Street Skills - NASS

[p.dath]

...
This from a posted a thread about 'Bum Steer' in 2008...

''I've been watching and reading all the countersteering threads of late and someone's comment "... if you're getting around corners, then you must be coutersteering, can't be done otherwise ..." has prompted me to post a counter-view on counter-steering.

I believe the countersteer that initiates the turn is a bad substitute for poor body position and technique. Hence "The Bum Steer". A turn that is initiated by loading up the "inside bum cheek" does not need counter steering input. Before the howls of Indignation and Outrage gather volume, I do agree that you can use small countersteering adjustments. I just don't agree that it is the only way to initiatre a turn ... back to The Bum Steer.
...''

Maha, that article is full of misinformation. A chunk of it is just plain wrong.

I'm sure you have heard of Keith Code, head of the California Superbike School, and former professional motorcycle racer. He created something called the "No Bullshit" bike so that people who actually believe that post can prove themselves wrong. It simply has a second set of bars that you can't move. He then invites people to initiate a turn using their body weight. They can't. It's that simple.
http://www.superbikeschool.com/machinery/no-bs-machine.php

Now if you Google long enough, you can actually find people you do in fact initiate turns using only body weight - but they are on heavily modified motorbikes especially created for performing stunts and tricks. They do not have normal motorcycle geometry.


Once above 30km/h, a motorcycle can only turn my moving weight to the inside of the centre of mass. The whole point of counter-steering is to tip the motorcycle over to move the weight to the inside of the centre of mass. If you simply move your weight to one side, without countersteering, the centre of mass does not move, and you continue to ride in a straight line. If you move your weight to one side, and then tip the motorcycle over using counter-steering then you will indeed turn more aggressively, because you are now tipping more weight over.

[nzspokes]

A good way to measure this and a point shown in Twist of the wrist is that kids that ride balance bicycles (bicycle with no pedals) learn to balance and turn get the skill needed to ride a standard kids bicycle far faster than a kid on a bike with trainer wheels. They learn to counter steer to turn.

[p.dath]

I'm thinking we are going to have high wind and rain tonight. So I'm thinking I wont be along tonight.

[The Reibz]

Yeah nah notttttttt keennnnnn

[DanielM8]

Yeah nah notttttttt keennnnnn
^ ditto

[GravelRashKid]

I'm still a starter. Weather doesn't look quite so bad at the moment...
Is anyone else going?

[Juniper]

.......pub?

[Easi]

Well, that does make the seat difficult to take off!

Yeah bit of a pain in the arse. There's a quick release mod I would do but I had a look and there's SFA storage space under there anyway.


For those with recently acquired CBR600F3's wondering about suspension adjustments, check out this guide:
http://www.gostar-racing.com/information/motorcycle_suspension_set-up.htm

Special Note: The PDF version has an error to do with sag measurement. Only use the HTML web site version.
Thanks very much!


.......pub?
Pub!

[The Singing Chef]

We had a young chap on a learner ride once that had heard about this slalom tyre warming bullshit...he had to pick his bike up off the road 100mts after leaving the lunch break, you may know him Phil, he had GSX250 back then and had been riding about 4 months.

Haha least I know it wasn't me, that's probably the only place I didn't crash my bike. :innocent:

[Maha]

Haha least I know it wasn't me, that's probably the only place I didn't crash my bike. :innocent:

Na wasn't you...same bike as your old one though. He went on to buy a 600cc sports bike and dropped that at a NASS session.

[DanielM8]

So what time does NASS meet for the ride? Z Westgate, right?

[Clean_up]

Yup, Z westgate at 18:30 hours.

[Clean_up]

Which Pub is the usual now-days? Been a while since me and a few mates been along :)

[DanielM8]

Which Pub is the usual now-days? Been a while since me and a few mates been along :)

Bar Africa in Albany after the carpark session (About 8:00).

[p.dath]

So what time does NASS meet for the ride? Z Westgate, right?

We leave Z at 7pm, it says to meet up at 6:30pm, but most people only get there 10 minutes before hand.

[Jeeves]

Na wasn't you...same bike as your old one though. He went on to buy a 600cc sports bike and dropped that at a NASS session.

By nass session do you mean leaving the pub and having heaps of mud on the back tire?

[p.dath]

I've had a dentist in my mouth for a bit over an hour today, and at the moment I'm not feeling to good. I can still feel the effects of the anesthetic.

I don't think I am going to risk riding tonight.

[Juniper]

I've had a dentist in my mouth for a bit over an hour today, and at the moment I'm not feeling to good. I can still feel the effects of the anesthetic.

I don't think I am going to risk riding tonight.

I had dentist today too. :(
No drugs this time (and not too bad on the pocket either!!) all the ouchy stuff next week when he takes my wisdom teeth out. :( !!

Does anyone still want to meet at the Carpark and maybe do some basic slow speed stuff? Or emergency braking. I'm sure one of the big kids can point out any errors or improvement.

Reibz, Brian and I were wanting to chat to you about some custom made pillion attachments to go onto Tigger??

[DanielM8]

I had dentist today too. :(
No drugs this time (and not too bad on the pocket either!!) all the ouchy stuff next week when he takes my wisdom teeth out. :( !!

Does anyone still want to meet at the Carpark and maybe do some basic slow speed stuff? Or emergency braking. I'm sure one of the big kids can point out any errors or improvement.

Reibz, Brian and I were wanting to chat to you about some custom made pillion attachments to go onto Tigger??

I'll meet you guys at the car park usual time.


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[The Reibz]

What do you know I had the dentist today too lol. I will be there though. Just did the Old North Road, peak rd route. Nice and dry up there today, Need to have a play with my power commander though.

Don't be a wimp phil, you will be sweet after a couple of hours

[p.dath]

Don't be a wimp phil, you will be sweet after a couple of hours

I've had 2 or 3 hours of sleep now and some soft food and do feel much better. So I expect to come along now.

DanielM8, can you come along for the ride as well? If everyone can come then we can do a longer ride.

[Juniper]

I've had 2 or 3 hours of sleep now and some soft food and do feel much better. So I expect to come along now.

DanielM8, can you come along for the ride as well? If everyone can come then we can do a longer ride.

I can't do the ride sorry. I think in about 2 weeks my Wednesdays become free again :wings:

[p.dath]

I can't do the ride sorry. I think in about 2 weeks my Wednesdays become free again :wings:

That's fine. We might split into two groups, depending on how many people are there. One long ride, and one normal ride. I'll do the normal ride.

[DanielM8]

I've had 2 or 3 hours of sleep now and some soft food and do feel much better. So I expect to come along now.

DanielM8, can you come along for the ride as well? If everyone can come then we can do a longer ride.

EDIT: actually won't be able to get out until later so will just meet you all for the carpark session.

[angle]

Well, the weather is a bit crap today... isn't it?

[DanielM8]

Well, the weather is a bit crap today... isn't it?

Weather looks Great if the wind will back off


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[DanielM8]

Metservice says winds expected to ease this afternoon. Hooray


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[angle]

Metservice says winds expected to ease this afternoon. Hooray

Yes indeed, should be down to 26-30 km/h by 19:00, easing further to 20 km/h.

[p.dath]

Yes indeed, should be down to 26-30 km/h by 19:00, easing further to 20 km/h.

It is looking like it will be ok to me.

[GravelRashKid]

Excellent. I'm a starter for 7:30 :scooter:

[LankyBastard]

I'll be along, looks like it'll be a good night for it. At least with all the wind the shady corners will be dry :yes:

[Clean_up]

There is no such thing as bad weather, just inappropriate clothing choices :P

See you all at Westgate at 6:30 :)

[Juniper]

I'll be along, looks like it'll be a good night for it. At least with all the wind the shady corners will be dry :yes:

Too right!!!

[The Reibz]

I guess tonights ride was alright, shame about the weather. I probably wont be there next week as I will be out in the bush "instructing" trainees again.
If anyone feels like going for a ride with down old north/peak rd some time this week give us a yell. Keen on being a bit of a loose unit on some familiar bends and straights

[angle]

I guess tonights ride was alright, shame about the weather. I probably wont be there next week as I will be out in the bush "instructing" trainees again.
If anyone feels like going for a ride with down old north/peak rd some time this week give us a yell. Keen on being a bit of a loose unit on some familiar bends and straights

I'm thinking of doing that ride today after work -> Silverdale, Peak Rd, Bethells beach, Titirangi. If the weather is good.

[Juniper]

Yes indeed, should be down to 26-30 km/h by 19:00, easing further to 20 km/h.

Hey Angel,

Princess Ann thank you very much http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/Cadets-meet-Princess-Anne/story-19586672-detail/story.html#axzz2hMk5j1w7

"The Princess is Youth Commandant‑in‑Chief of St John Ambulance - See more at: http://www.royalcentral.co.uk/courtandsocial/the-royal-week-monday-29th-july-13114#sthash.NGQrI2bX.dpuf "

:yes:

Bite Me oh ye doubters :bleh:

[angle]

Hey Angel,

Princess Ann thank you very much http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/Cadets-meet-Princess-Anne/story-19586672-detail/story.html#axzz2hMk5j1w7

"The Princess is Youth Commandant‑in‑Chief of St John Ambulance - See more at: http://www.royalcentral.co.uk/courtandsocial/the-royal-week-monday-29th-july-13114#sthash.NGQrI2bX.dpuf "

:yes:

Bite Me oh ye doubters :bleh:

I have never doubted princess Anne's involvement in St. John's Ambulance. I was a bit confused with Mary Stuart's involvement though.

P.S. The website for the UK course we've discussed: http://www.learn2wheelie.co.uk/

[Juniper]

I have never doubted princess Anne's involvement in St. John's Ambulance. I was a bit confused with Mary Stuart's involvement though.

P.S. The website for the UK course we've discussed: http://www.learn2wheelie.co.uk/

OMG That is so cool.


Lets be hoping it not snowing and I could learn to wheelie!!

[DanielM8]

OMG That is so cool.


Lets be hoping it not snowing and I could learn to wheelie!!

I'd rather get a dual purpose and a beach lol

[Juniper]

No for me tomorrow. I'll be in Hamilton for work.

[p.dath]

No for me tomorrow. I'll be in Hamilton for work.

I'm not sure I can make it tonight yet either. This could be a chance for someone else to fill in tonight ...

[DanielM8]

I'll Probably be up for a ride if anyone is still going.


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[LankyBastard]

I'll be going for sure, weather looking good for a nice long ride.

[Clean_up]

Count me in too!!! I'll be there and keen for a longer ride too :)
If anyone out west wants to meet up earlier, I'll be in Titirangi at 5:45, gonna ride along Scenic Road on the way to Z :)

[The Singing Chef]

I'll be popping along tonight, keen to help out via lessons. See you guys as 6.30.

Will be cool to ride with you again Ash!

[angle]

Count me in too!!! I'll be there and keen for a longer ride too :)
If anyone out west wants to meet up earlier, I'll be in Titirangi at 5:45, gonna ride along Scenic Road on the way to Z :)

Since I live five minutes away from Titirangi village, I'll be there (across the road from the petrol station).

[LankyBastard]

I'll be popping along tonight, keen to help out via lessons. See you guys as 6.30.

Will be cool to ride with you again Ash!

You have a bike that works??? I'm impressed!

[The Singing Chef]

You have a bike that works??? I'm impressed!

No cable ties on this one either ;)

[LankyBastard]

No cable ties on this one either ;)

Damn you are getting serious

[The Singing Chef]

Damn you are getting serious

I am indeed. I think I stopped being a lunatic somewhere inbetween the no license stage. ;)

[LankyBastard]

I am indeed. I think I stopped being a lunatic somewhere inbetween the no license stage. ;)

Yes I can imagine it would have that effect.

[Clean_up]

Since I live five minutes away from Titirangi village, I'll be there (across the road from the petrol station).

Running late, be there about 6pm. If anyone had "Angle's" number can ya text and let em know?

[DanielM8]

Meet you guys at westgate at 6:30.

- The N00B on the red Gn250.

[LankyBastard]

Gonna be running a bit late (blame Becca) so don't wait up, we'll catch you up

[Morcs]

Should call this ride FAGG. Im looking at the bunch of riders at westgate, no leaners, would be awfully intimidating for one if they did turn up. And your all too scared to go on the atnr instead.

[The Singing Chef]

Should call this ride FAGG. Im looking at the bunch of riders at westgate, no leaners, would be awfully intimidating for one if they did turn up. And your all too scared to go on the atnr instead.

What the hell is a Leaner?

[DanielM8]

Should call this ride FAGG. Im looking at the bunch of riders at westgate, no leaners, would be awfully intimidating for one if they did turn up. And your all too scared to go on the atnr instead.

Hey hey, I'm a... "leaner" and I showed up!! And happily did 80km/h all the way home. Thanks Angle for leading the "slow group"... now where the hell was our usual learner group!!

And for the record, it is a learner ride - learners shouldn't be intimidated to turn up anyway. Almost every week there will be somebody along willing to lead a learner group even if the experienced ones that show up go off on their own.

[Clean_up]

Hey hey, I'm a... "leaner" and I showed up!! And happily did 80km/h all the way home. Thanks Angle for leading the "slow group"... now where the hell was our usual learner group!!

And for the record, it is a learner ride - learners shouldn't be intimidated to turn up anyway. Almost every week there will be somebody along willing to lead a learner group even if the experienced ones that show up go off on their own.

And good on you for coming. Most of the group who still show up now, were all learners at one time or another, and we are ALL ALWAYS more than happy to help out any 'learners' who ask us for anything. Plus, any motorcyclist with half a brain will realise that we NEVER stop learning.
Ive been riding for 5 years now, and by no means call myself experienced, and still learn something interesting EVERY time I go along to NASS.

[The Singing Chef]

Hey hey, I'm a... "leaner" and I showed up!! And happily did 80km/h all the way home. Thanks Angle for leading the "slow group"... now where the hell was our usual learner group!!

And for the record, it is a learner ride - learners shouldn't be intimidated to turn up anyway. Almost every week there will be somebody along willing to lead a learner group even if the experienced ones that show up go off on their own.

Was nice to meet you Daniel, and as Clean_up said, we are always learning, no matter what bike we ride. Sorry we didn't get to do any carpark work this time, maybe the next time huh?

[RUSS]

Should call this ride FAGG. Im looking at the bunch of riders at westgate, no leaners, would be awfully intimidating for one if they did turn up. And your all too scared to go on the atnr instead.

Should go back to school and learn the difference between your and you're.

[RUSS]

http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/09/16/become-a-better-street-rider-with-the-pace-motorcycle-safety-and-riding-skills/

[angle]

Hey hey, I'm a... "leaner" and I showed up!! And happily did 80km/h all the way home. Thanks Angle for leading the "slow group"... now where the hell was our usual learner group!!

No worries, that's what these rides are for. Will do it again next Wednesday. :niceone:

[Juniper]

No worries, that's what these rides are for. Will do it again next Wednesday. :niceone:

Yeay! And next Wednesday I should be able to come and play!!

[DanielM8]

Yeay! And next Wednesday I should be able to come and play!!

You'd better. Tim showed up and nobody else was there to welcome him back!!


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[The Reibz]

120km through woodhill forest in the last 3 days, straight leg power. Never broken trainees like that before, running up sand dunes with sandbags on your sholders, great fun.
Probably see you guys next wednesday. Spearing this weekend so bike def wont be getting used

[p.dath]

120km through woodhill forest in the last 3 days, straight leg power. Never broken trainees like that before, running up sand dunes with sandbags on your sholders, great fun.
Probably see you guys next wednesday. Spearing this weekend so bike def wont be getting used

Holy shit. 40km/day. You must be fit.

[DanielM8]

Weather looks kinda shit. Bar, anyone?

[GravelRashKid]

You're going to the bar early!!

I'm out for tonight anyway. Tigger is in the workshop :(

[DanielM8]

You're going to the bar early!!

I'm out for tonight anyway. Tigger is in the workshop :(

Hey hey.. Don't pick on my words.. :P Bar tonight anyone?

What's wrong with Tigger? Pillion with Juniper and Mao lol


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[Juniper]

Hey hey.. Don't pick on my words.. :P Bar tonight anyone?

What's wrong with Tigger? Pillion with Juniper and Mao lol


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NO!! Never again!!

Tigger is brokesed :( Tig Tigs has gone to the vet. :confused:

[The Reibz]

Weather aint even bad. Harden up you soft cocks

[DanielM8]

NO!! Never again!!

Tigger is brokesed :( Tig Tigs has gone to the vet. :confused:

Never again? What happened lol

Poor tigs. I hope all the miles after 14 years of resting hasn't hurt tigger too much!


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[Juniper]

You're going to the bar early!!

I'm out for tonight anyway. Tigger is in the workshop :(


Never again? What happened lol

Poor tigs. I hope all the miles after 14 years of resting hasn't hurt tigger too much!


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Mehehe Brian the kids giving it to you and I'm SOOOOO with him!! :lol:


I'll be there. As always.

[GravelRashKid]

Poor tigs. I hope all the miles after 14 years of resting hasn't hurt tigger too much!


Mehehe Brian the kids giving it to you and I'm SOOOOO with him!! :lol:

Haha, yeah I deserve that one!

[angle]

I'll be there. Don't forget the tennis balls, whoever has them.

[DanielM8]

I'll be there. Don't forget the tennis balls, whoever has them.

Note to self: bring the tennis balls. Bring the tennis balls. Bring the tennis balls. Bring the tennis balls.

Yep. Will bring the tennis balls.

[Juniper]

Hey whoever switched my LED's off, please don't. You don't go flicking switches on another persons bike.





I'll be there. Don't forget the tennis balls, whoever has them.


Hey Angle how long does it take for a chain to get that bad? The guys checked it when they put my tire on a month or so ago, they even showed me so I knew the chain wasent touching the top of the other thingy.

[angle]

Hey whoever switched my LED's off, please don't.
Actually, I believe it was me, unfortunately... but I haven't done that on purpose, I probably just switched them off when we were looking at your at your 'Ram-Air' and LED set up. I tend to always switch off all electrical circuits if a particular system is not in use (it's a subconscious safety thing). I apologise and solemnly promise not to do it again.


You don't go flicking switches on another persons bike.
Although you're correct I've known a few people who have done a lot more that flick the switches on other peoples' bikes, but I digress... You can flick switches on my bike if that will make you feel better.


Hey Angle how long does it take for a chain to get that bad? The guys checked it when they put my tire on a month or so ago, they even showed me so I knew the chain wasent touching the top of the other thingy.
If it goes that bad that fast I would say that the chain has had it (or the wheel has not been put on properly). From the top of my head I would think that some of the seals (O-rings or X-rings) got stuffed and some roller bushings have lost their internal lubricant leading on to other things (such as worn out pins). Regrettably I did not have a good look at the chain on Wednesday, so if you tighten it up we will have a look at it next week.


P.S. I reckon we should all ask The Singing Chef nicely to give a wheelie lesson next Wednesday.

[nzmikey]

P.S. I reckon we should all ask The Singing Chef nicely to give a wheelie lesson next Wednesday.

Oh god dont do that ... he will bend his wheel again .. :wacko:

[GravelRashKid]

P.S. I reckon we should all ask The Singing Chef nicely to give a wheelie lesson next Wednesday.

I've only ever lifted the front once unintentionally in the past. (except for on the CG125, but that doesn't count!)
It should be easier 2-up eh...

[DanielM8]

P.S. I reckon we should all ask The Singing Chef nicely to give a wheelie lesson next Wednesday.

I may be missing a past story but I +1 this, I want to see how miserably most of us fail with wheelies. :lol:

[ft.jd]

Give me a month and i'll bring along a homemade video on how to do them from scratch, and can answet any questions aswell.. Clutch ups ftw

[angle]

Unfortunately I won't be there tommorow as I'm going to be bikeless till about Saturday...

[Qkchk]

So the ride still meets up at Shell Westgate @ 6.30pm? I've got a new demo that needs to be scrubbed in so might pop over for a ride :scratch:

[GravelRashKid]

Unfortunately I won't be there tommorow as I'm going to be bikeless till about Saturday...
What's up with your bike? You could still watch the carpark work and talk shit at the pub.

I'm "supposed" to rest my bike until she gets the carbs stripped and a full service. Yet I'm realising how much I need to learn, so I'm taking her to the carpark tomorrow anyway.

[angle]

So the ride still meets up at Shell Westgate @ 6.30pm? I've got a new demo that needs to be scrubbed in so might pop over for a ride :scratch:
Yes, the meet up place for the ride is still the same.


What's up with your bike?
I'm getting the small holes in my rims properly fixed (i.e. welded) before the track day.


You could still watch the carpark work and talk shit at the pub.
I'd have to take the cage for that though.


I'm "supposed" to rest my bike until she gets the carbs stripped and a full service. Yet I'm realising how much I need to learn, so I'm taking her to the carpark tomorrow anyway.
Ahh, I've stripped and cleaned the carbs on a GSX600F once... It's not that difficult and there is also a guy in south Auckland who specialises in carbs and can properly rebuild and adjust them (i.e. the jets, the floats etc)

[Juniper]

Actually, I believe it was me, unfortunately... but I haven't done that on purpose, I probably just switched them off when we were looking at your at your 'Ram-Air' and LED set up. I tend to always switch off all electrical circuits if a particular system is not in use (it's a subconscious safety thing). I apologise and solemnly promise not to do it again.


Although you're correct I've known a few people who have done a lot more that flick the switches on other peoples' bikes, but I digress... You can flick switches on my bike if that will make you feel better.


If it goes that bad that fast I would say that the chain has had it (or the wheel has not been put on properly). From the top of my head I would think that some of the seals (O-rings or X-rings) got stuffed and some roller bushings have lost their internal lubricant leading on to other things (such as worn out pins). Regrettably I did not have a good look at the chain on Wednesday, so if you tighten it up we will have a look at it next week.


P.S. I reckon we should all ask The Singing Chef nicely to give a wheelie lesson next Wednesday.

Well thank you for admitting so. I think I've been taught some strict "Biker
Rules"

Please come!! I've got my chain all nicely tightened and even bled my brakes!!! I'm a real greese monkey now!! :lol:

[Juniper]

Ahh, I've stripped and cleaned the carbs on a GSX600F once... It's not that difficult and there is also a guy in south Auckland who specialises in carbs and can properly rebuild and adjust them (i.e. the jets, the floats etc)

Ooooo name and number please? Are they any good?

[GravelRashKid]

Ahh, I've stripped and cleaned the carbs on a GSX600F once... It's not that difficult and there is also a guy in south Auckland who specialises in carbs and can properly rebuild and adjust them (i.e. the jets, the floats etc)

I'm so non-mechanically minded that I probably shouldn't own a bike, lol. (In saying that I've got a lot of use out of the Haynes manual thanks!)
This time Tigger is going to Motorcycle Doctors, who have been highly recommended by someone who knows. For future reference though, who is your carbs guy?

[p.dath]

So the ride still meets up at Shell Westgate @ 6.30pm? I've got a new demo that needs to be scrubbed in so might pop over for a ride :scratch:

Most people tend to meet about ten minutes before 7pm.

I'm not sure you'll get much potential for "scrubbing in", unless we get enough people along to split the group in two and you go with the faster group.

But it would be great to see you along again.

[Qkchk]

Most people tend to meet about ten minutes before 7pm.

I'm not sure you'll get much potential for "scrubbing in", unless we get enough people along to split the group in two and you go with the faster group.

But it would be great to see you along again.

I'll be on a tight 250 so wont be breaking any records ;)

[digger02]

I'm hoping to make it along tomorrow night for the first time to see what it's all about and meet some new friendly people. I'll be on my little black hornet.
Adam.

[p.dath]

I'm hoping to make it along tomorrow night for the first time to see what it's all about and meet some new friendly people. I'll be on my little black hornet.
Adam.

That's great Adam. Do you think you can make it along for the ride as well?

[digger02]

That's great Adam. Do you think you can make it along for the ride as well?

Yip I'll be able to go for a ride as well, how long do they usually go for?

[p.dath]

Yip I'll be able to go for a ride as well, how long do they usually go for?

The ride is for 30 minutes, and then 30 minutes in the car park.

[MarkW]

Greetings all,

Wednesday 20th November

Not only will I be in Auckland but I'll be on a motorcycle as well so to NASS I will come. If the weather is fine and the car park dry I'd like to run a session on how to bring your motorcycle to a halt whilst continuing to ride through a corner. This exercise, from a practical point of view, won't be suitable for a complete beginner but if you are a beginner please still come along and watch. If you want to join in having watched then please feel free to do so. If wet I'll probably run a braking session instead. I'll rock up to Z Westgate at about 6.45pm and would really like to get the training under way by 7.30pmto take advantage of the daylight.

Mark W

[Juniper]

Greetings all,

Wednesday 20th November

Not only will I be in Auckland but I'll be on a motorcycle as well so to NASS I will come. If the weather is fine and the car park dry I'd like to run a session on how to bring your motorcycle to a halt whilst continuing to ride through a corner. This exercise, from a practical point of view, won't be suitable for a complete beginner but if you are a beginner please still come along and watch. If you want to join in having watched then please feel free to do so. If wet I'll probably run a braking session instead. I'll rock up to Z Westgate at about 6.45pm and would really like to get the training under way by 7.30pmto take advantage of the daylight.

Mark W

Yeay!!!!! I was going to ask you in the weekend if you would come to a NASS session again. :wings:

[Qkchk]

Greetings all,

Wednesday 20th November

Not only will I be in Auckland but I'll be on a motorcycle as well so to NASS I will come. If the weather is fine and the car park dry I'd like to run a session on how to bring your motorcycle to a halt whilst continuing to ride through a corner. This exercise, from a practical point of view, won't be suitable for a complete beginner but if you are a beginner please still come along and watch. If you want to join in having watched then please feel free to do so. If wet I'll probably run a braking session instead. I'll rock up to Z Westgate at about 6.45pm and would really like to get the training under way by 7.30pmto take advantage of the daylight.

Mark W

Its a shame they no longer have to do this as part of the BHS... its a good exercise.

I'm actually home this week, stuck with a migraine :facepalm: will try to get out if I feel up for it.

[p.dath]

It is such a perfect day for a ride I would prefer to do a long ride tonight. Is anyone only going to the car park?

[Juniper]

It is such a perfect day for a ride I would prefer to do a long ride tonight. Is anyone only going to the car park?

There are a few people who don't come on here that will probably be there.

[The Reibz]

I would prefer to do a long ride tonight

You best keep up then Phil

[p.dath]

You best keep up then Phil

Haha. I'll leave my ego parked in the garage at home. :)

[The Reibz]

So whos dropping a burnout next week?

[DanielM8]

So whos dropping a burnout next week?

I vote the Kymco 125 does hahaha


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[DanielM8]

Who's coming tomorrow? The weather looks awesome for a good ride tomorrow!

[Juniper]

Maybe :cry:

[angle]

I might come, if I get my bike back tomorrow.

[The Singing Chef]

I'll be there mate.

[Juniper]

I will be there for Carpark. Unless my breathing gets worse.

[angle]

The bike will not be ready until tomorrow, thus I won't be coming today, unfortunately...

[GravelRashKid]

Tigger is purring again (many thanks to Motorcycle Doctors!), so I'll be there for the carpark (can't do any earlier tonight).

[p.dath]

As I trashed my bike at the track on Saturday I wont be along for the ride, but I'll come to the car park.

[Juniper]

As I trashed my bike at the track on Saturday I wont be along for the ride, but I'll come to the car park.

You WHAT????

I heard Reibz did too?

[The Reibz]

As I trashed my bike at the track on Saturday I wont be along for the ride, but I'll come to the car park.

Eah phil ratttshhhetttttt. I have just about welded and bogged my fairing back together. Just need to put paint down and make sure its all smooth and shit. I got loads of spare fiberglass left if you want to have a crack at repairing yours, aint as hard as people make it out to be.


I heard Reibz did too?
Came off at 160 in the breaking area of meremere. Dan was behind me and I believe he was much more scared than I was. Video of my crash is in the racing section

[Danzano]

Doing long ride with the guys meet at the pub Phil?

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[Juniper]

This is the bike I'm looking at getting: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=598187630



After further investigation.... seat hight: perfect.....weight: 100kg more than mine.... :(

[p.dath]

This is the bike I'm looking at getting: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=598187630



After further investigation.... seat hight: perfect.....weight: 100kg more than mine.... :(

Looks very nice in the photo.

[Juniper]

Looks very nice in the photo.

Is that the polite way of saying I'm silly. :weep: Cause I'll take it from you guys.

[Danzano]

Good choice for a step up would feel a lot better on long rides to I say go for it :-)

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[Lazyninja]

This is the bike I'm looking at getting: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=598187630



After further investigation.... seat hight: perfect.....weight: 100kg more than mine.... :(

Wow, not sure how they managed to get that thing to weigh more than mine...
I would be interested to take one out for a test ride for comparisions sake. It would seem I was right about the handle bars, although I'm not entirely sure how aggressive the ZXR feels to start with.

[The Singing Chef]

Is that the polite way of saying I'm silly. :weep: Cause I'll take it from you guys.

Heavy pig of a bike, underpowered for what it is :p Go DRZ

[gunnyrob]

A good step up. You will be sweet with it

[p.dath]

I am still without my bike, but I'll be along in my car tonight. Also don't forget that we have MarkW coming along showing how to do the more complicated emergency braking in a corner.

It would be great to get as many along as possible to the car park around 7:30pm.

MarkW, are you only coming to the car park, or did you plan to go for the ride as well?

[DanielM8]

I am still without my bike, but I'll be along in my car tonight. Also don't forget that we have MarkW coming along showing how to do the more complicated emergency braking in a corner.

It would be great to get as many along as possible to the car park around 7:30pm.

MarkW, are you only coming to the car park, or did you plan to go for the ride as well?

So I guess it's the short ride tonight to get there in time :( Oh well, I haven't gotten a good car park session in weeks!! It will be cool to meet Mark, having met Phil and Dawn already. Is there anybody else who has taken lead for NASS before?

[p.dath]

So I guess it's the short ride tonight to get there in time :( Oh well, I haven't gotten a good car park session in weeks!! It will be cool to meet Mark, having met Phil and Dawn already. Is there anybody else who has taken lead for NASS before?

Richard, BigDog. Many others as well.

[nathanwhite]

I am still without my bike, but I'll be along in my car tonight. Also don't forget that we have MarkW coming along showing how to do the more complicated emergency braking in a corner.


Bloody hell, that's why he told me to check my will and life insurance!

[MarkW]

Bloody hell, that's why he told me to check my will and life insurance!

I need some ballast to keep the back of the bike on the road.

And I'll be at Z Westgate first but would like to be at the Carpark as soon after 7.30 so that as much time as possible is available for practice.

It would be good if the socialising could begin AFTER the practice rather than before or during.

After a couple of years away it will be good to indulge in a NASS session.

Mark W

[The Singing Chef]

I need some ballast to keep the back of the bike on the road.

And I'll be at Z Westgate first but would like to be at the Carpark as soon after 7.30 so that as much time as possible is available for practice.

It would be good if the socialising could begin AFTER the practice rather than before or during.

After a couple of years away it will be good to indulge in a NASS session.

Mark W

I'll have a ballast you can borrow ;) Might be a big bouncy in the wind on the DRZ hahaha.

See you at Z Mark.

[Maha]

Heavy pig of a bike, underpowered for what it is :p Go DRZ

Come on Matt, you need a decent pair of legs for one of those things, or a catcher?

[The Singing Chef]

Come on Matt, you need a decent pair of legs for one of those things, or a catcher?

Hahaha yea I know, stilts perhaps?

[Juniper]

Come on Matt, you need a decent pair of legs for one of those things, or a catcher?


Hahaha yea I know, stilts perhaps?

Haha I sat on that KTM the other week and couldn't touch the ground at all with the side stand down and me hanging off the seat. :(

[Juniper]

Thank you Mark for coming out to teach us! A great skill that I/we will really need one day!!

Someone asked if my pride hurt. Nope only my finger, I'm a Learner I don't have a pride to hurt yet.

:)

[Riddler]

Haha I sat on that KTM the other week and couldn't touch the ground at all with the side stand down and me hanging off the seat. :(

That was a slightly ammusing sight seeing you on my KTM, but don't feel bad you're not the first person to do that (male or female). :)

[Juniper]

That was a slightly ammusing sight seeing you on my KTM, but don't feel bad you're not the first person to do that (male or female). :)

It made me feel so.....inadequate...... as did you towering over mine :bleh:

[ultraforce]

Where is the meeting point for the 27th?

New to thread and may have missed something.

[GravelRashKid]

Where is the meeting point for the 27th?

New to thread and may have missed something.

Post #1 covers most of the details. I think the only change is Shell Westgate has become Z Westgate.

[cracker300]

Hey guys returned from germany just got a zx10r, trying meet some new riders, is it ok if i tag along on the 27th ?

[DanielM8]

Hey guys returned from germany just got a zx10r, trying meet some new riders, is it ok if i tag along on the 27th ?

Anybody who can leave their ego behind and is willing to learn is ofcourse welcome! We do still meet beteen 6:30 and 7 for a 7:00pm departure at the Z station in Westgate - just look for the large amount of bikes and you've found us!

[cracker300]

Anybody who can leave their ego behind and is willing to learn is ofcourse welcome! We do still meet beteen 6:30 and 7 for a 7:00pm departure at the Z station in Westgate - just look for the large amount of bikes and you've found us!

ahah awsome and nope no ego. see you there.

[DanielM8]

ahah awsome and nope no ego. see you there.

Cool. I'm Daniel on the red GN250 - puttputt

[p.dath]

With the weather improving is anyone coming along tonight?

[cracker300]

its not out helensville way. whats it like on the shore?

[Juniper]

With the weather improving is anyone coming along tonight?

Keen as always. Emergency braking in the wet practice is it? :p

[Juniper]

its not out helensville way. whats it like on the shore?

Wet......

Glad I waterproofed the leathers.

People usually still go to the pub if it wet. I'll rock to the Carpark at 7.30 and if no ones there off to the pub it is.

[DanielM8]

With the weather improving is anyone coming along tonight?

Rain is not very inviting for a ride .... But Bar Africa is always inviting so I'll be there.


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[Juniper]

Pub for me now.

[Red Dog]

Im too sleeeppppy for tonights ride

[Red Dog]

Pub for me now.

I want :drinknsin

[bosslady]

I might try and come

[Juniper]

Yes, No, Maybe?

[DanielM8]

Yes, No, Maybe?

No :( weathers too shit for me to bother riding and Jeremy's too sick to drive.


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[Juniper]

Yes no maybe?

[f2dz]

Heading along to SASS next week but keen to try out NASS this week if anyone is going along.

Who generally leads these things? Is it like SASS with a ride around to start followed by some slower speed stuff?

[DanielM8]

Heading along to SASS next week but keen to try out NASS this week if anyone is going along.

Who generally leads these things? Is it like SASS with a ride around to start followed by some slower speed stuff?

Should be a good few out - weather looks good. I'll be there.

Usually Phil (p.dath) leads it, though if he's not along, Angle sometimes leads.. Otherwise whoever volunteers to lead. Yup same as SASS ride then slow speed, then to the bar.


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[p.dath]

I'm still bike-less at the moment, but should be along at the car park.

[Juniper]

I'm still bike-less at the moment, but should be along at the car park.

When is you becoming not bike less?

[The Reibz]

I will be back next week. Busy tonight

[p.dath]

When is you becoming not bike less?

I am planning on bidding on a bike on Trade Me where the auction closes on Sunday. Getting a pre-purchase inspection for it on Friday. So hopefully next week I might have a bike again.

[The Reibz]

I am planning on bidding on a bike on Trade Me where the auction closes on Sunday. Getting a pre-purchase inspection for it on Friday. So hopefully next week I might have a bike again.

Thats far to smart mate. You should just buy it out of instinct then iron out all the problems with it later.
Worked out well with the car I brought, 2 years later shes finally a daily driver...

[p.dath]

Thats far to smart mate. You should just buy it out of instinct then iron out all the problems with it later.
Worked out well with the car I brought, 2 years later shes finally a daily driver...

The bike is at the top end of what I can afford, so I can't afford to find problems that need ironing out later. :)

Ye hah. You have the car all fixed up!

How is the fibre glass'ing going?

[The Reibz]

I just finished laying out the clear yesterday. Putting the body work back together tonight after work. I will chuck a thread up tonight explaining how I did it later on tonight.
Bled the brakes and checked the disks yesterday, no warpage but looks like they aren't going to be raced on until a replacement is sourced

[DanielM8]

Is the last NASS happening tonight? Weather looks decent for a ride :)


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[The Reibz]

Yeah im going to show up

[p.dath]

Yeah im going to show up

It will be good to see you along!

This will be the last NASS for the year. Then we'll take a break for 3 weeks or so.

[BenAs]

Hi, I'm new to riding, would it be OK to come along to a NASS ride. I see that you're taking a break for a few weeks, but it would be great to come along in the new year. Can I just turn up?

thanks.

[p.dath]

Hi, I'm new to riding, would it be OK to come along to a NASS ride. I see that you're taking a break for a few weeks, but it would be great to come along in the new year. Can I just turn up?

thanks.

Yes, you can just turn up. :)

[GravelRashKid]

When do we want to start up NASS again?

[p.dath]

I'm away next week, but perhaps next week and everyone can meet up for a ride?

Are there many people back yet?

[TheDemonLord]

I would very much like to attend one of these - pretty sure it was Dawn that I did my BHS with too

[Juniper]

Keen, Red Dog is too...maybe (hes such a pansy)

[Timmeh:P]

Keen to come along to more of these... I may be able to provide a pointer or two. :2thumbsup

[Riddler]

Anyone riding tonight if the weather stays fine? :whistle:

[The Reibz]

Possibly. Sounds like most people will be there

[TheDemonLord]

I won't be there - but once bike is fixed, will try and make it (evidently need more Skills!)

[Juniper]

I'm in :Punk:

[GravelRashKid]

Can't make it tonight, screening a new flatmate. Getting in the way of my riding, already one black mark.

[p.dath]

I'll be along this Wednesday, and looking forward to seeing everyone again!

[Juniper]

I'll be along this Wednesday, and looking forward to seeing everyone again!

Yeay!!! :woohoo:

[DanielM8]

I'll be along this Wednesday, and looking forward to seeing everyone again!

It'll be good to see your new bike in action, Phil. :)

[p.dath]

It'll be good to see your new bike in action, Phil. :)

I'm hoping to have a dry car park, because I'd like to practice emergency braking on my new bike to learn its new handling.

[Timmeh:P]

Will be there on my new 1200! Might go to the car park rather than the long ride, get used to handling this MASSIVE bike. :shifty:

[The Reibz]

I'm hoping to have a dry car park, because I'd like to practice emergency braking on my new bike to learn its new handling.

Emergency launching, to help you get away from the traffic lights sooner...
I sould be around tonight. Body isn't in madddd pain like it was last week

[DanielM8]

Emergency launching, to help you get away from the cops sooner...
I sould be around tonight. Body isn't in madddd pain like it was last week

Fixed it for you.


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[angle]

Emergency launching ... On the rear wheel. You should be able to accelerate faster as there will be half as much friction in that case.

[digger02]

With half as much friction you would accelerate slower wouldn't you? Friction is traction after all

[GravelRashKid]

Both points have merit. There will have to be tests carried out this evening at the carpark.

[gotopaz50]

Wanted to see what this was all about but need to make a hefty donation to ACC. Maybe next week. :-)

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[Juniper]

Had a good time.

Had a few braking mishaps lately, nothing bad! Just being told I use too much rear brake has made my braking a little off.....and last time we did emergency braking I chipped a knuckle!! So was a little apprehensive to do the exercise. :(

Thanks Mr White Triumph for the feedback, really helpful! :)

[Timmeh:P]

Was good fun!

Just remember a few little things...

Back brake provides very little braking power in an emergency situation... (Cruisers are a different story). As soon as you apply pressure to your front brake the back wheel will have very little traction as your front wheel takes most of it due to weight shifting forward. I would still use a bit of back brake, as most of you probably won't be using 100% of the available front traction, and in an emergency situation use everything at your disposal!

When practising it is best to concentrate on your front brake. Try to be smooth and gradual with the front brake, slamming it on will overload your forks and possibly create a front wheel slide. It is all about training yourself to apply it gradually. Then just add light pressure to the back brake.

If the frontwheel does chirp and lock up, then release and reapply gradually. If the rear locks up, just hold it. If you are upright and straight the rear wheel will naturally slide in a straight line.

Also, let your body slide forward on the seat. If you hold yourself off the tank while emergency braking then you are increasing the load on your front forks. I would rather stop faster and have sore nuts than find myself crashing into something.


*******

For the person leaning off your bike on the way to the carpark... (this is a little advanced for new riders :pinch:)

I noticed while following someone to the car park they were trying a little leaning off the bike. I don't normally lean off the bike on the road as I am not usually cornering quickly enough, however... if you want to learn, just ask and I can help. Best to try it at track days of course! :D

Some observations: I noticed you were crossed up, and shifting your bum off to the side a little too much. Best to shift your upper body across and pretend you are looking in your mirror and only have one bum cheek off the seat. It is also about touch points and keeping your body low on the bike, using your elbow and outer leg to hold yourself on the bike. Trying to keep as little weight on the inside leg as possible. See attached... You can see I am holding myself on the bike with my left elbow and left leg. My right leg is taking very little weight as I am actually on tip toes. I am leaning my upper body over and looking through the corner where my mirrors would be.

If you are at any ART days and want to learn a little about it, feel free to come chat! Happy to help where I can. Just look out for #83 :D

[The Reibz]

For the person leaning off your bike on the way to the carpark... (this is a little advanced for new riders :pinch:)

I noticed while following someone to the car park they were trying a little leaning off the bike. I don't normally lean off the bike on the road as I am not usually cornering quickly enough, however... if you want to learn, just ask and I can help. Best to try it at track days of course! :D

Some observations: I noticed you were crossed up, and shifting your bum off to the side a little too much. Best to shift your upper body across and pretend you are looking in your mirror and only have one bum cheek off the seat. It is also about touch points and keeping your body low on the bike, using your elbow and outer leg to hold yourself on the bike. Trying to keep as little weight on the inside leg as possible. See attached... You can see I am holding myself on the bike with my left elbow and left leg. My right leg is taking very little weight as I am actually on tip toes. I am leaning my upper body over and looking through the corner where my mirrors would be.

If you are at any ART days and want to learn a little about it, feel free to come chat! Happy to help where I can. Just look out for #83 :D

Think you are talking about me bro. I do lean off from time to time as I get sick of sitting flat footed.
Most of the time I ride street, Im right up on my toes.

I know what your saying about the crossing over thing. Its a habbit I need to ween out. Still havent got a knee down, been pretty close.
Im blasting down to the Bay of Plenty tonight and taking the Kaimais road after Matamata. Will give some of your tips a practice

[Timmeh:P]

Think you are talking about me bro. I do lean off from time to time as I get sick of sitting flat footed.
Most of the time I ride street, Im right up on my toes.

I know what your saying about the crossing over thing. Its a habbit I need to ween out. Still havent got a knee down, been pretty close.
Im blasting down to the Bay of Plenty tonight and taking the Kaimais road after Matamata. Will give some of your tips a practice

No problem, happy to give tips if you want to hear it. The track is definitely the best place to get your knee down. ;) Once you have mastered the knee, then move to your elbow! ;)

[Timmeh:P]

Most of the time I ride street, Im right up on my toes.

Small suggestion... all good riding on your toes on the road if that is what you like doing, but if you need to emergency brake then having your foot closer to the rear pedal could be a life saver! :D

Just like covering your front brake while riding on the road, covering your back brake could shave valuable time getting to it and decrease braking distance.

[LankyBastard]

Had a good time.

Had a few braking mishaps lately, nothing bad! Just being told I use too much rear brake has made my braking a little off.....and last time we did emergency braking I chipped a knuckle!! So was a little apprehensive to do the exercise. :(

Thanks Mr White Triumph for the feedback, really helpful! :)

Glad I could help, you did make massive improvements to your braking technique in very short time, I was impressed!

I must admit I thought everyone was going really well, it was great to see!

Looking forward to next week :niceone:

Oh and Timmeh, did you not see me hanging off completely whilst taking a very slow left hander?? I was looking totally badass with my knee 2 metres away from the road :laugh:

[GravelRashKid]

Also, let your body slide forward on the seat. If you hold yourself off the tank while emergency braking then you are increasing the load on your front forks. I would rather stop faster and have sore nuts than find myself crashing into something.
Great tip(s), thanks Tim. I think I was the main offender for this one. Definitely something to work on, to place less value on my nuts.

Another tip that's been mentioned before, is to keep your eyes up. Helps with the low-speed stuff, as well as the attaining-low-speed-quickly stuff.
btw I'd guess my balance is more thanks to Yoga than riding skill.

Very good point about riding on the toes too. I've recently changed from having the arch of my foot on the pegs, to the ball of the foot on the pegs.
My reason for this change in riding position, was due to getting my foot caught under the brake/gear lever then jammed between the road and the bike on corners. Just a little too exciting for my liking.
The change has allowed me to improve my riding in a number of ways, however this has introduced a weight transfer and subsequent instability every time I brake or change gear. Plus of course the delay you mentioned in getting to the rear brake pedal.
One option I haven't explored is adjusting both the brake and gear levers, so my feet can rest comfortably above the levers without activating them. Perhaps if I had a cruiser - but then I wouldn't be going around corners anyway.

[GravelRashKid]

Here's one for a future session...

How to handle the situation when you go from "Oops, I've misjudged this corner getting tighter on me", to "Oh Crap, no matter how hard I strain, the edge of the road is getting closer!".

I understand that ideally you should:
a) Keep your head and eyes up and aiming to the exit of the corner, as opposed to the gravel on the edge of the corner.
b) Generally not decelerate or brake mid corner.
c) Relax the outside arm, and steer with the inside arm on a corner.
However 'understanding' is different to 'doing' when you discover yourself in that Oh Crap moment.

Any ideas on how to practice these skills safely in the carpark?

[GravelRashKid]

Once you have mastered the knee, then move to your elbow! ;)
Then once you have mastered the elbow... Have you seen the clip of the guy getting his shoulder and then helmet down? :eek5:

Do you know of anyone who manufactures magnesium strips for helmets? There could be a marketing opportunity...

[DanielM8]

Perhaps if I had a cruiser - but then I wouldn't be going around corners anyway.

Hey... okay it's true

[Timmeh:P]

Any ideas on how to practice these skills safely in the carpark?

Yup, I know of something... However it is only as safe as the fact there wont be traffic and nothing to hit other than what is in the car park. Potential for a low-side is still there.

This exercise is good to practice turning on windy roads and when the corner is tighter than expected.

Using the car parking lanes we mark out this particular shape - points 1 - 6.
Then travelling at around 15kph you adjust your speed and lean angle when entering the corner and apply steady throttle when riding around the points. Idea is to keep the throttle steady.

If you wash wide - then look for the exit point and apply more pressure on the appropriate handle bar.
Cutting the corner - look for exit point, DONT look down (usual reason for cutting a corner) and apply more pressure to the appropriate handle bar
Exit Wide - Look where you want to go and apply more pressure to the appropriate handle bar.

It is all about entry points, apex points and exit points. looking where you want to go, and learning to be steady on the throttle and leaning with the bike.

Also, biggest mistake I see riders doing ALL the time is entering a corner too early. They end up cutting the corner and usually have half their body hanging over the lane markings. (not so fun if a car happens to wash a little wide coming the other way). The later you enter the corner, the further you can see around that corner and less likely to cut the corner. It takes practice, but try and be concious of it while riding and take it slow at first! :D

[GravelRashKid]

Legend!
I'd rather low-side at carpark speeds than, let's say for a random example, on Woodcocks Rd...

[Timmeh:P]

Legend!
I'd rather low-side at carpark speeds than, let's say for a random example, on Woodcocks Rd...

HAHA, yeah... Low siding at Woodcocks wouldn't be fun at all... **looks in the direction of Lanky** Especially if you are trying :yawn: to keep up with a fellow rider. :facepalm:

[cdmdotnet]

Now to grow some balls and try this out. I wonder how busy a BK carpark is on a Friday night....

[The Reibz]

We need to do a ride one night where we practice riding in a staggered formation.
Im used to riding this way during my club rides and runs. We got a few learners coming through at the moment that seem to fuck the formation up a bit, I do it from time to time when im rough on the throttle. If you ever plan on doing charity runs or poker runs where more than a 100 bikes are involved you need to be switched on and learn how to ride staggered. It can be shit scary for newbies but I feel alot safer riding staggered down the motorway. Moving as a unit rather than just a mess of individuals gives a greater road presence and generally cars will stay out of your way and slow down for you to pass. My 2c for NASS this year.

Time to hit the back roads on the busa now. Seig.

[GravelRashKid]

HAHA, yeah... Low siding at Woodcocks wouldn't be fun at all... **looks in the direction of Lanky** Especially if you are trying :yawn: to keep up with a fellow rider. :facepalm:

LOL, that's it exactly! My thought process went something like:
"Yeah OK, it appears that I can match the current pace of this rider I'm following..."
"Must remember that the posted speeds on Woodcocks are very different to the rest of NZ, take it easy..."
"But I should be able to match his pace through that corner..."
"Oops..." to "Oh Crap..."
To discover later that the rider I was following had also seriously overcooked that corner. :facepalm:

[Timmeh:P]

I feel alot safer riding staggered down the motorway. Seig.

Yep, staggering riders is good practice on straight roads, but as soon as they become twisty roads it is always best to drop back further behind the rider in front and turn into corners at a point which you do not cut the corner. I wouldn't suggest riding staggered on twisty roads.

[LankyBastard]

HAHA, yeah... Low siding at Woodcocks wouldn't be fun at all... **looks in the direction of Lanky** Especially if you are trying :yawn: to keep up with a fellow rider. :facepalm:

Yep, oh this corner is tighter than I expected, no worries, apply more lean, look where you want to go, peg is down, all good, keep throttle steady, big bump in road mid corner that hits your peg, unweights rear wheel, less friction due to less weight, rear decides it'd be way more fun to be a front wheel instead, you slide down the road thinking hmmmmmmm best stand up I suppose, so you do, using your sliding momentum (looks way more badass that way) watch you bike decide to give itself and oil change in the middle of the road, and at the end of it all, you just think



FUCK

[Juniper]

Also, biggest mistake I see riders doing ALL the time is entering a corner too early. They end up cutting the corner and usually have half their body hanging over the lane markings. (not so fun if a car happens to wash a little wide coming the other way). The later you enter the corner, the further you can see around that corner and less likely to cut the corner. It takes practice, but try and be concious of it while riding and take it slow at first! :D

:shit: I thinks you is the psychics......
Me: right handers not my friend, too scared of hitting the loose metal/shit on road on the outside of the corner so have a tendency of taking it to close to the centre. And windy is my phobia. The only time I've feared for my life on a bike was in the wind.



It is all about entry points, apex points and exit points. looking where you want to go, and learning to be steady on the throttle and leaning with the bike.


Yep heard that one before. And think of it every time I corner.....but knowing the theory and doing are two TOTALLY different things!!


Yup, I know of something... However it is only as safe as the fact there wont be traffic and nothing to hit other than what is in the car park. Potential for a low-side is still there.

This exercise is good to practice turning on windy roads and when the corner is tighter than expected.

Using the car parking lanes we mark out this particular shape - points 1 - 6.
Then travelling at around 15kph you adjust your speed and lean angle when entering the corner and apply steady throttle when riding around the points. Idea is to keep the throttle steady.

If you wash wide - then look for the exit point and apply more pressure on the appropriate handle bar.
Cutting the corner - look for exit point, DONT look down (usual reason for cutting a corner) and apply more pressure to the appropriate handle bar
Exit Wide - Look where you want to go and apply more pressure to the appropriate handle bar.


So you're taking next Wednesday.......... Please.....




LOL, that's it exactly! My thought process went something like:
"Yeah OK, it appears that I can match the current pace of this rider I'm following..."
"Must remember that the posted speeds on Woodcocks are very different to the rest of NZ, take it easy..."
"But I should be able to match his pace through that corner..."
"Oops..." to "Oh Crap..."
To discover later that the rider I was following had also seriously overcooked that corner. :facepalm:

And the 2 riders behind us!!

[bosslady]

Is anyone going tonight?

[GravelRashKid]

I expect quite a few will be turning up.
I can only make it to the car-park session, not the ride.

[p.dath]

Is anyone going tonight?

Bound to be. I've had a bit of a shit day, and feel like hiding in the corner at the moment. Hopefully Timmeh will come along as well.

[bosslady]

Bound to be. I've had a bit of a shit day, and feel like hiding in the corner at the moment. Hopefully Timmeh will come along as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28A9Jgo92GQ

[GSeX]

Bound to be. I've had a bit of a shit day, and feel like hiding in the corner at the moment. Hopefully Timmeh will come along as well.

Riding will help


Is anyone going tonight?

Yep for :scooter: and :apint:

[bosslady]

I know this gets asked a million times but I can't remember what time the meet up is? 7pm? Westgate?

[GSeX]

I know this gets asked a million times but I can't remember what time the meet up is? 7pm? Westgate?

Departing Z Westgate at 7pm

[bosslady]

Departing Z Westgate at 7pm
Sweet thanks will try and make it.

Edited to add: Think I might go to BK beforehand!

[Juniper]

Yep I'll be there. Trying to rehydrate after sunning myself.

[LankyBastard]

Yep Timmeh and I will be along tonight, I'll bring some small orange cones to so we can set up the cornering practise lanes easier :yes:

[The Reibz]

Edited to add: Think I might go to BK beforehand!

You got the vouchers in the mail ay

[bosslady]

You got the vouchers in the mail ay
No? lol mmm so hungry should leave work soon I guess

[DanielM8]

Good ride tonight- the largest group since I've been here. :)

[Juniper]

I will not hit the instructor, I will not hit the instructor, I will not hit the instructor.

[GravelRashKid]

Awesome session guys, thanks heaps! Again! Again!
That really highlighted some areas for me that need attention.
It's great to watch the rapid improvement in a lot of the fresh riders too.

[Timmeh:P]

Was a massive turn out! Far out... was a little overwhelmed by the numbers.

A few observations from last night.

When performing the offset cone weave, make sure you look up and do not focus on the cone you are about to corner around. Some of you were looking down at the cone while making the turn, which will throw you off balance and will mean you are then not in the right position for the next cone. Make sure you look up, and when you know you can make the turn, focus on the next cone in the sequence. Not at the cone right in front of you.

Straight weave, focus on the furthest cone, not the cones in front of you, trust your peripheral vision.

U turn... some of you were cutting the corner to make it easier, rather than riding around the corner (hence why I put myself in the way). When performing a tight U turn like that, make sure you start the turn by performing a small dip. Some of you were just taking the turn (which is fine at slower speeds), but if you want to perform the task quicker, add a little dip before you make the turn. See image:

http://www.thecarolinarider.com/Stories/upload/117_Scan0003.jpg

Lastly if you want to learn more slow speed techniques check out this guy. (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=motorman857&view=videos)

He may talk too much, and have one of those really irritating american ascents, but his ride like a pro dvd is very useful and has many exercises to practice. If you can get your hands on it. I have the DVD floating around somewhere, will see if I can find it.

[GravelRashKid]

Lastly if you want to learn more slow speed techniques check out this guy. (http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=motorman857&view=videos)

Didn't know this one (although I bet most other at NASS did!): At low speeds, don't lean with the bike, in fact lean your body in the opposite direction to the bike.

[Timmeh:P]

Didn't know this one (although I bet most other at NASS did!): At low speeds, don't lean with the bike, in fact lean your body in the opposite direction to the bike.

I would say that depends on the size and type of bike and the speed of the manoeuvre. There is some contradiction around this depending on the teacher. Keith Code (Twist of the Wrist) would say that leaning with the bike is better. I am in two minds. I find one way works better for me over the other. I lean opposite to the bike will I set up my dip into the corner, then set my body up to lean with it while making the turn.

Edit: This is regarding slow speed manoeuvres... not high speed turns!

[The Reibz]

At low speeds, don't lean with the bike, in fact lean your body in the opposite direction to the bike.
I have to maneuver my busa this way unless its under power. Quite difficult to use power in turns that tight when you have 160 odd horsepower to play with in a touchy first gear. Was doing most of the shit we did last night in 2nd

[grover-nz]

I've got to move out west so I can practice this stuff.

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[p.dath]

Didn't know this one (although I bet most other at NASS did!): At low speeds, don't lean with the bike, in fact lean your body in the opposite direction to the bike.

When you are travelling really slow around a corner you will need to lean the opposite way to turn tightly. You need to lean the bike over to get onto its outside tyre edge to reduce your turning diameter. However at this point there is not enough speed to push the bike up, so you have to lean the opposite way with your body to balance out the bikes weight.

[angle]

Very good point about riding on the toes too. I've recently changed from having the arch of my foot on the pegs, to the ball of the foot on the pegs.
My reason for this change in riding position, was due to getting my foot caught under the brake/gear lever then jammed between the road and the bike on corners. Just a little too exciting for my liking.
The change has allowed me to improve my riding in a number of ways, however this has introduced a weight transfer and subsequent instability every time I brake or change gear. Plus of course the delay you mentioned in getting to the rear brake pedal.
One option I haven't explored is adjusting both the brake and gear levers, so my feet can rest comfortably above the levers without activating them. Perhaps if I had a cruiser - but then I wouldn't be going around corners anyway.

Boots have toe sliders for a reason, you should embrace the excitement and live the moment to the full :yes: I keep my feet on the pegs right by the heel but before I corner, to the right for example, and I think I might lean in that corner I put my right foot's toe onto the peg. Having the left foot firmly planted on the left peg on the arch of my foot (as you put it) attaches me to the bike more securely than having the left foot on it's toe as well.

[Timmeh:P]

Boots have toe sliders for a reason, you should embrace the excitement and live the moment to the full :yes:

The only time I ever use my toe sliders is when I am dragging my pegs. :eek:

If you are dragging toe sliders on the road without getting your knee down, peg down and going like the clappers, you probably should change your foot position. :niceone:

[angle]

The only time I ever use my toe sliders is when I am dragging my pegs. :eek:

This depends on the bike an it's peg positions. Plus, there is nothing wrong with dragging pegs... until you snap one that is... quite easily done on the older Katanas:devil2:


If you are dragging toe sliders on the road without getting your knee down, peg down and going like the clappers, you probably should change your foot position. :niceone:
GravelRashKid drags his pegs like crazy :first:

[GravelRashKid]

until you snap one that is... quite easily done on the older Katanas:devil2:
Not so keen on snapping a peg on the old girl. :shit:



GravelRashKid drags his pegs like crazy :first:
Doesn't scare me quite so much any more. Which is a very good thing for my kidneys, given most scrapes are while two-up...

[Juniper]

Not so keen on snapping a peg on the old girl. :shit:



Doesn't scare me quite so much any more. Which is a very good thing for my kidneys, given most scrapes are while two-up...

Are you calling me fat!?!?!!

[GravelRashKid]

Are you calling me fat!?!?!!

:pinch: Hell no, I value my balls too.

Due to your pillionability (cool new word) and maybe the suspension setup, Tigger sits a lot nicer on the road two-up. :shutup:

[angle]

Are you calling me fat!?!?!!

I think he implied that you can be quite violent.

[Juniper]

I think he implied that you can be quite violent.

Me? Never! :innocent:

[Timmeh:P]

Unfortunately won't make it tonight as I am off to the track early tomorrow morning.

If anyone here is doing the Playday at Hamptons tomorrow, come say hi!! Look out for number 83. I will be testing for Paeroa... EEEK! :crazy:

[p.dath]

Unfortunately won't make it tonight as I am off to the track early tomorrow morning.

If anyone here is doing the Playday at Hamptons tomorrow, come say hi!! Look out for number 83. I will be testing for Paeroa... EEEK! :crazy:

I'll be along tonight, even if it is raining. I hope to have a quick chat on compression damping and braking.

[Red Dog]

Me? Never! :innocent:

I agree your a delicate petal.....looking forward to tonight il be there hoorah :woohoo:

[p.dath]

So who's coming along tonight?

[GravelRashKid]

So who's coming along tonight?

I'll be on for the carpark at least, not sure if I can make the ride in time.

[Juniper]

So who's coming along tonight?

Me me me me me me me me me me me. We needs a runs!!!

[DanielM8]

So who's coming along tonight?

I'll be there for the ride if I can make t in time.. Otherwise see you at the carpark :)


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[angle]

I am not able to attend tonight, unfortunately.

[Timmeh:P]

Lanky and myself will be there. I am thinking of going for a longer ride, then the pub!

[The Reibz]

Gotta go and see a man about a tent this afternoon but I should be there

[LankyBastard]

Lanky and myself will be there. I am thinking of going for a longer ride, then the pub!

Sounds good, the F3 sucks at car park stuff. Well it excels at looking awesome parked up.... but that's about it ;)

[Smallfishnz]

Yep plan on being there tonight

[Juniper]

One will not hit the instructor....one will not hit the instructor....... It doesn't help when he moves in my way!!!!

[NuCleaRex]

Hey ppl,

Do you still have these sessions every week?

I'd like to improve my riding skills :woohoo:

Thanks

[The Reibz]

Yeah they still happening every week mate.
Taking the week off this week chaps. Did 1100kms this weekend all up and down the north island