North Auckland Street Skills - NASS

[Evilfly]

Yeah I will be heading to the westgate first. What are we practicing tonight?

I reckon it'll be something like this...

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[p.dath]

I reckon it'll be something like this...

...

Only if you change your sprockets to get better low speed control. :)

[angle]

Unfortunately I can't make it tonight...:weep: Hopefully I'll be able to come along next week though.

[Juniper]

Bugger same as Game of Thrones night!!

May pop my head up in the summer, I figure I'll master/survive the day riding before I try seeing in the dark.

[The Reibz]

Good ride last night chaps, the higher pace and lack of learners made it enjoyable.
Won't be there next week but ahhhh.

Phill you left you Balaclava behind. Matt has got it for you, atleast it wasn't the keys in the ignition again...

[Juniper]

Is there a learner friendly time to come?

[The Reibz]

This is a learner friendly ride and all people of all skill levels are welcomed.
There is often a carpark session where essential skills are taught. Good thing to come along to if your only just starting out

[p.dath]

Good ride last night chaps, the higher pace and lack of learners made it enjoyable.
Won't be there next week but ahhhh.

Phill you left you Balaclava behind. Matt has got it for you, atleast it wasn't the keys in the ignition again...

Haha. Yeah true.

[p.dath]

Is there a learner friendly time to come?

If there are learners then it is always learner friendly.

[p.dath]

I've decided to stay nice and warm at home tonight.

[yeahnahbe]

Anyone else going?

[yeahnahbe]

I'm on my way out now, will stop by z and pub

[Jezxa]

Anyone else keen for a ride this evening?

[The Reibz]

I should be along tonight. Meet yous at the carpark though, aint finishing up here at work until late.

[p.dath]

I plan to be along as well.

[Angel_of_Metal]

Yeah I should be coming too. Would be nice to meet some of you 'lovely' peoples hehe :dodge:

Just to confirm, when/where?

[The Reibz]

The Z Service station in westgate. Meet just before 7

[G-Mak]

Back in Auckland this week so plan to be there tonight.

[The Singing Chef]

I'll be there.

[The Reibz]

oosh. All the bros there tonight, must be time for that wheelie and rolling burnout practice...

[Maha]

I'll be there.

But have you sorted out the Pub venue yet Matt?:rolleyes:

[The Singing Chef]

But have you sorted out the Pub venue yet Matt?:rolleyes:

Haha yea sorted that last week, turns out we must have just missed each other within a couple of minutes.

[Angel_of_Metal]

Thanks for the great ride today, it was great to meet you all. Picked up a few good skills today and lost my unlit road virginity :clap:

See you all again in a few weeks - Shift work means my timetable is pretty fuckin random!

Jessie

[The Reibz]

Do a wheelie on your new GSXR G-Mak, hurry up man...
Last night was a good reminder for me of what loads of horsepower and a damp cold tire can do. Mad fishtail up the road hahaha

[The Singing Chef]

Thanks for the great ride today, it was great to meet you all. Picked up a few good skills today and lost my unlit road virginity :clap:

See you all again in a few weeks - Shift work means my timetable is pretty fuckin random!

Jessie

Nice to meet you too Jessie. See ya next time :) - Matt


Do a wheelie on your new GSXR G-Mak, hurry up man...
Last night was a good reminder for me of what loads of horsepower and a damp cold tire can do. Mad fishtail up the road hahaha

God that was brutal to watch man.

[The Reibz]

Any of you chaps heading along tonight?
If it ain't raining come ride time I'm going to head out. Metservice reckons thunderstorms, should be some good fun...

[p.dath]

I'll be there. I'm itching for a ride. Actually I'm itching for some track time, but a road ride is a start,

[Juniper]

Tonight?
Game of Thrones night has been changed due to airing times in the states lol.

[Danzano]

Weather keeps up hell yeah!!!! I'm stuck till Friday Coz my passport paper work got screwed up

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[The Reibz]

Meet you guys at Coatsville again. Launch practice tonight, followed by wheelies, burnouts and stoppies.
Was just me a Phil last week in the pouring rain. Hard men alright...

[Juniper]

Meet you guys at Coatsville again. Launch practice tonight, followed by wheelies, burnouts and stoppies.
Was just me a Phil last week in the pouring rain. Hard men alright...

Errrr P/T???

:baby:

Umm maybe another time then. I can only be free about 7.15pm (something's even I cannot get out of)

[The Reibz]

The thing about burnouts and stoppies was bullshit hahaha. We mainly practice braking and riding around cones to practice various skills.
Meet up is at Z in westgate at 7. I finish work at 7 so I ride out about 7:15 and try to hit coatsville to meet the guys when they pass through around 7:30.
2nd Meetup is the albany carpark, outside noel leemings (just up from the warehouse). We usually hang around there until 8 ish then shoot off to the pub for a brew.

Always good to see new faces

[Juniper]

The thing about burnouts and stoppies was bullshit hahaha. We mainly practice braking and riding around cones to practice various skills.
Meet up is at Z in westgate at 7. I finish work at 7 so I ride out about 7:15 and try to hit coatsville to meet the guys when they pass through around 7:30.
2nd Meetup is the albany carpark, outside noel leemings (just up from the warehouse). We usually hang around there until 8 ish then shoot off to the pub for a brew.

Always good to see new faces

I finish on the shore about 7 ish. Could get to Z about 7.20 if I try hard. Where's coatsville?

[The Reibz]

Its about 10 minutes out of Albany if you ride fast. Probably best you meet us at the Albany Noel Leemings, or I can swing by there first and pick you up then we will ride out and meet the others

[Juniper]

Its about 10 minutes out of Albany if you ride fast. Probably best you meet us at the Albany Noel Leemings, or I can swing by there first and pick you up then we will ride out and meet the others

Heh who am I kidding...me ride fast???

Albany Noel Leemings it is then. 7.15? I'll be coming from Milford.

[The Reibz]

Yep thats the one. If im a little bit late don't worry, I will still be coming.

[p.dath]

Albany Noel Leemings it is then. 7.15? I'll be coming from Milford.

It is closer to 7:30pm, sometimes a little bit later (depends on how well the ride goes).


Some tips for everyone coming on the ride tonight; it's going to be cold and probably foggy, so some tips are:

Wear three of four layers of clothing under your gear.
Wrap something around your neck to keep the cold air off.
If your gloves are not good at keeping water and wind out try wearing a pair of cheap latex gloves (get them from super market, Repco, Super Cheap) under your normal motorcycle gloves. It makes the world of difference having warm and dry hands.
Clean your visor so the water droplets can run off easily. A lot of riders like to use Pledge on the outside, and ordinary car wax also can help the water run off. Use a cloth to polish your visor, not a paper towel.


Always be kind to your tyres for the first 5 minutes of riding, otherwise they wont be kind to you. And remember, tyre grip can be used for braking OR accelerating OR cornering, but mostly if you are using them for one thing you can only use them a little bit for the other - so choose wisely next time you are on a wet slippery road. For those interested in a bit more theory, check out the "Traction Circle":
http://www.sportrider.com/riding_tips/146_0909_traction_circle_riding_skills/

[Juniper]

Ok keen for next time.... At the right carpark lol

[The Reibz]

Got pulled over last night. Warrant was out by a few days, got compliance. Good thing he didn't get the speed on radar hahaha

[Juniper]

Got pulled over last night. Warrant was out by a few days, got compliance. Good thing he didn't get the speed on radar hahaha

Oooo lucky.

I always have this feeling that they are out to get me. Only been done once for speeding in my car. But still hmmmm. Never there when you need them. And always there when you don't want them.

I'm über paranoid about my WOF and Rego. Mainly for insurance purposes.
A friend got pulled over by a bike cop and they got talking, turns out the cop had just bought the same bike as her......because he wrote off his old one dangerous riding lol.

[The Reibz]

Wouldn't have been attending Nass for a few months if he got the speed :p
Lucky it wasn't a traffic cop, just a detective that happened to see me drag off a skyline then tear up the albany on ramp. Probably the last time I do that, got lucky.

[Juniper]

Wouldn't have been attending Nass for a few months if he got the speed :p
Lucky it wasn't a traffic cop, just a detective that happened to see me drag off a skyline then tear up the albany on ramp. Probably the last time I do that, got lucky.

Trying to copy Mikenz video? :p

[Danzano]

Lol must of been the night for boy racers there where de tours around west gate Coz they closed a section of the motorway and I had some guy pull up next to me and start revving at the lights felt good to smoke him haha

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[The Reibz]

Giz us a drag Daniel....

[Danzano]

Giz us a drag Daniel....

Lmfao

Yeah me full throttle and you can only use idling lol

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[p.dath]

Ok keen for next time.... At the right carpark lol

For those of us longing for better fitting motorcycle gear you can get custom leathers made by Kerry at Motorcycle Safety Wear.
http://www.msw.co.nz/
She is *very* good, but you might be seperately with $1500 to $2000.


Got pulled over last night. Warrant was out by a few days, got compliance. Good thing he didn't get the speed on radar hahaha

I just got my warranty renewed yesterday before coming to NASS!!!


Wouldn't have been attending Nass for a few months if he got the speed :p
Lucky it wasn't a traffic cop, just a detective that happened to see me drag off a skyline then tear up the albany on ramp. Probably the last time I do that, got lucky.

The trick is to stop powering on once you hit the limit .... :)

[The Reibz]

Passed my warrant but need new tires. Probably just go for the same ones. Headstem bearings also need slight re-adjustment

The trick is to stop powering on once you hit the limit ....
No fun in that Phil hahahaha.

[Juniper]

The trick is to stop powering on once you hit the limit .... :)

The limit of the bike or the limit of the road?


Yeah, when the time comes it will be custom made leathers.

[Angel_of_Metal]

The limit of the bike or the limit of the road?


Yeah, when the time comes it will be custom made leathers.


Methinks the speed limit ;)

[Juniper]

Methinks the speed limit ;)

Now I'd say where's the fun in that, except go the fact I like the speed limit. It's scary enough at the speed limit lol I don't need to push it...just yet.

Loved going for my ride on Sunday. Because of the public holidays and all the cops out to ping you it kept the boys in check lol.

[The Reibz]

Anyone heading out tonight? Just got a box of parts from the states that im about to start installing. Will head along if the rain aint to bad

[Juniper]

Anyone heading out tonight? Just got a box of parts from the states that im about to start installing. Will head along if the rain aint to bad

Depending on weather and if bike wants to work. Still can only get there at 7.30 really.

[p.dath]

The limit of the bike or the limit of the road?

Neither. The legal limit. :) The limit that comes with financial penalties is you get caught crossing it.

The next ART day will probably be around November, and that is a great time to find your own limits.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/AMCC_Advanced_Rider_Training


Anyone heading out tonight? Just got a box of parts from the states that im about to start installing. Will head along if the rain aint to bad

Yes, I'll be along.

[The Reibz]

Just finished installing my new gauges. Was going to put the fairing on but the colour is far from matching so it looks like im going to have to paint it myself.
Weather looks like it might hold... MIGHT...

[Juniper]

Just finished installing my new gauges. Was going to put the fairing on but the colour is far from matching so it looks like im going to have to paint it myself.
Weather looks like it might hold... MIGHT...

Is it worth me coming if I can only get there 7.30?


Though I could always do with a drink lol

[The Reibz]

Tonight was a good learning experience. Picked up alot of points to work on with my low speed riding as well as my open road speed (and greater). Also was a good reminder of how fiddly 250s can be.
I might try and get a ride sussed out for Friday afternoon is anyone is keen. Duration of around 1.5 - 2 hours at medium pace. PM me if your interested or I will post more details in here tomorrow.

[Torment3d]

People coming out tonight?

[Juniper]

May just meet you guys at the pub. I can never get to NASS on time :(

[Torment3d]

May just meet you guys at the pub. I can never get to NASS on time :(

You just need to ring a few more ponies out of that 250, then you might be able yo keep up with the traffic =P

[G-Mak]

should be there tonight

[Juniper]

You just need to ring a few more ponies out of that 250, then you might be able yo keep up with the traffic =P

Errrrrrr umm ok?

[p.dath]

People coming out tonight?

Dress warm for the ride. I'll be there.

[The Reibz]

Wont be there tonight chaps and chapetes, my country needs me...

[p.dath]

This story is for you Juniper.
http://www.rockthegear.org/index.php?/testimonials/view/brittany_morrow_the_roadrash_queen/

[Juniper]

This story is for you Juniper.


Ouch, your a dick lol. I'm cringing.

Never riding naked on my bike again.

[thehovel]

Required reading for all two wheeled vehicles.

[p.dath]

Required reading for all two wheeled vehicles.

Good to see you back. How is retirement going?

[Danzano]

Back in nz now so definitely coming tonight :-D

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[thehovel]

Good to see you back. How is retirement going?

Never really went away.

[The Reibz]

Back in nz now so definitely coming tonight :-D

Giz a drag Daniel...

[Danzano]

Giz a drag Daniel...

Your on!!!! Same rules apply though you can only use 1st

Be good to catch up man see the new parts you got for the beast

Also I'm well overdue a beer haha

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[The Reibz]

Overdue for a beer? You just spent 2 weeks in the UK. Don't tell me you were actually sensible and did the tourist thing instead of seeing the entire thing through the bottom of a glass...
Still haven't fit my tail fairing bro, colour matching was shocking so I'm waiting for a good day to repaint it myself. Hopefully my power commander arrives in the post today though :)

[Danzano]

Overdue for a beer? You just spent 2 weeks in the UK. Don't tell me you were actually sensible and did the tourist thing instead of seeing the entire thing through the bottom of a glass...
Still haven't fit my tail fairing bro, colour matching was shocking so I'm waiting for a good day to repaint it myself. Hopefully my power commander arrives in the post today though :)

Don't worry I had one good night out that I felt for like 2 days after lol

You will have to let me know how the power commander is I'm thinking of getting one myself

And are you sticking with the current colour scheme or mixing it up a bit?

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[Danzano]

Glad I'm getting those tyres

Had a look at my current set when I got home and after the skid up the backs on the wear indicators so off to cycletreads tomorrow for me lol

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[The Reibz]

You have my respect for the skid. I have noticed it is much harder for me to do them now my tires have been replaced, Definetly not as fun though...

[Danzano]

You have my respect for the skid. I have noticed it is much harder for me to do them now my tires have been replaced, Definetly not as fun though...

I vote the end of this set we get a video of the turbo hyabusa skidding it up till they almost pop :-D

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[Juniper]

I vote the end of this set we get a video of the turbo hyabusa skidding it up till they almost pop :-D

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I'm good at holding cameras :p

[nzspokes]

I vote the end of this set we get a video of the turbo hyabusa skidding it up till they almost pop :-D

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Well Nass has changed since I last went. :eek5::gob:

Sent from my couch with fingers up my nose to keep them warm.

[Juniper]

Well Nass has changed since I last went. :eek5::gob:

Sent from my couch with fingers up my nose to keep them warm.

There's NASS and then there's After NASS. :p


This set of training wheels wouldn't be going if they were that crazy.

[The Reibz]

I vote the end of this set we get a video of the turbo hyabusa skidding it up till they almost pop :-D

You pay for tires. $350 metzler rears just aren't made for that. Maybe a Shinko :)
Postie still hasn't arrived yet, hopefully tonight. That way I can start welding up the manifolds over the next week. Boost by November :2thumbsup

[Danzano]

You pay for tires. $350 metzler rears just aren't made for that. Maybe a Shinko :)
Postie still hasn't arrived yet, hopefully tonight. That way I can start welding up the manifolds over the next week. Boost by November :2thumbsup

If there dead it doesn't matter right?

Also offers still there if you need any help if not at least record it the first time you fire it up :-)

And aren't shinkos made to burn in some form then chuck? :-P

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[Juniper]

Anyone going tonight? Metservice is saying that there could be a few showers (so in reality it could be either thunder storms or drought)

I can't come play but I can eat drink and gossip! :p

[nzmikey]

You pay for tires. $350 metzler rears just aren't made for that. Maybe a Shinko :)


Nothing wrong with fecking Shinko .... :bash:

[p.dath]

Alas it looks like I wont be able to attend tonight. One of my distant relatives looks like they are going to die (old age) and we are all going to the Hospital instead.

[Danzano]

Alas it looks like I wont be able to attend tonight. One of my distant relatives looks like they are going to die (old age) and we are all going to the Hospital instead.

Stay with the family man my best regards i cant say i know the feeling but i know the circumstance my condolences to you

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[Danzano]

Reibz you coming tonight? Anyone coming im still keen for a ride and a beer if not might check out sass :-)

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[The Reibz]

Yes I will be out my bro, providing the weather holds off. Ain't keen for a torrential ride this week. Origin tonight though so I won't be staying at the pub as long as I usually do, unless I decide to watch the game there.

[Juniper]

I can never get to you guys before 7.30 at the earliest. And that's me rushing.
But I love their cider!!


My condolences my dear, never pleasent even when expected. :(

[G-Mak]

Sorry to hear that Phil, all the best mate.

Will be along tonight, and probably stay at the pub to watch the game .....go the blues..

[Juniper]

Hehe don't know anything about sport, but I like the cider!!

[Danzano]

Still cant decide to come out tonight or try out sass

Anyone here been?

[The Reibz]

Nah not me man. Mrs jabs me in the face if I stay out past 10pm. Bit far for me to ride, but I have met a few people that go out there and they seem choice as bru.

[Danzano]

Nah not me man. Mrs jabs me in the face if I stay out past 10pm. Bit far for me to ride, but I have met a few people that go out there and they seem choice as bru.

Sweet will see who is going and if its a long or short ride if its a short one ill see you at 7 at Z :)

[The Reibz]

I feel a first gear pull coming on...

[Danzano]

I feel a first gear pull coming on...

SASS is now on Tuesdays so I will see you shortly

[The Reibz]

Another successful ride last night. Fun factor was there for me most of the way.

Fuck Queensland...

[p.dath]

For the first time ever, I don't think I'm going to be able to make it two times in a row.

One of my daughters is having her birthday party tonight, and my great aunt who is threatening to pass away has managed to hold on for another week.

I might be able to come along for just the ride and car park, but not very confident.

[Juniper]

For the first time ever, I don't think I'm going to be able to make it two times in a row.

One of my daughters is having her birthday party tonight, and my great aunt who is threatening to pass away has managed to hold on for another week.

I might be able to come along for just the ride and car park, but not very confident.

Great Aunt is an impressive title to have. Hope all goes well.

How old? Giving her a motorbike for her birthday? We need more chicks!!!

I'm use to having my ass handed to me by younger kids.

[The Reibz]

I will be there tonight. Lots of time behind the welding helmet this week, time to put the motorcycle one on.
Power commander is in and bike is ready to go

[p.dath]

Great Aunt is an impressive title to have. Hope all goes well.

How old? Giving her a motorbike for her birthday? We need more chicks!!!

I'm use to having my ass handed to me by younger kids.


She's 92, heading towards 93.

[Juniper]

She's 92, heading towards 93.

I meant your daughter. :)

[Juniper]

I get Mao back tomorrow

You guys Africa again?

[p.dath]

I meant your daughter. :)

This particular one, 15.

[The Reibz]

Any other riders tonight? Keen for another run like last week

[Juniper]

Any other riders tonight? Keen for another run like last week

:( ?

I don't like drinking by myself. I get my bike tomorrow!!

[G-Mak]

i will be heading out

[Danzano]

Ill be a little late

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[The Reibz]

Sweet will be waiting in coatsville at the usual corner

[Danzano]

May not make it stuck at work will try if i get off soon

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[G-Mak]

I got stuck in the office too.....may see u guys at the pub if i can get outta here soon

[Juniper]

Lol pub night for all.

[The Reibz]

Waited in carpark last night for about 40 mins. No one came. Churr
Went to pub, G-Mak and Juniper were there. Not a bike to be seen. Atleast I know im committed (NASS 1%'er).

Got wet as. Was mean.

Anyone keen for a drag sometime on the weekend?

[Danzano]

Waited in carpark last night for about 40 mins. No one came. Churr
Went to pub, G-Mak and Juniper were there. Not a bike to be seen. Atleast I know im committed (NASS 1%'er).

Got wet as. Was mean.

Anyone keen for a drag sometime on the weekend?

I get Sunday off but not sure what the haps is also got stuck at work the other night till like 8pm

I'll give ya a pm

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[The Reibz]

Myself and "The Mak" are planning on doing scenic drive this Saturday. Finishing off somewhere on the Northshore after going down the usual NASS route. Anyone one thats interested please contact me on PM

[nzspokes]

Myself and "The Mak" are planning on doing scenic drive this Saturday. Finishing off somewhere on the Northshore after going down the usual NASS route. Anyone one thats interested please contact me on PM

Be careful on Scenic dr. Mossy as hell up there at the moment.

[The Reibz]

Noted. Thanks for the heads up. Negative knee dragging

[The Reibz]

Ride report for today.

Was nice and sunny with only a few wet patches along scenic drive. It was quite mossy, would have been a major hazard if the ground was wet. Lucky for us it wasn't.
Got some ok footage on the Go Pro. Rather shaky but out of the 30mins I got, 10 or so minutes of good quallity.

Came back down the Standard NASS route and finished up at Backyard Bar in Northcote.

Pretty keen to do it again. Might head out by myself this week if I get some free time.

See everyone on wednesday

[p.dath]

I can't seem to win lately. I have a job running till around 6:30pm on the other side of Auckland. I'm hoping to make it along, but might not be able to make the ride. Will see how it goes.

[JiB]

I have my first Wednesday night free in ages today :2thumbsup

....Does one just turn up to Noel Leeming at 7.30?

[Juniper]

If it's raining I'll see you at the pub. If its not then I'll see you at the Carpark. :p

[Juniper]

Yeay not working late tonight!!!!!!!!!

Is it 7pm @ Z?

[The Reibz]

I have my first Wednesday night free in ages today :2thumbsup

....Does one just turn up to Noel Leeming at 7.30?

Pretty much no. I was there by myself last week and no one showed up.
I will be at the Z at 7 tonight for the ride. Look for the Blue and Gray Suzuki

[Juniper]

Pretty much no. I was there by myself last week and no one showed up.
I will be at the Z at 7 tonight for the ride. Look for the Blue and Gray Suzuki

Z in Westgate?

[Maha]

Winter gloves a must, I went down to the North Shore last night wearing my summer gloves (as you do in winter) well it was lovely when I left. Really noticed the cold on the way back :cold: body good/hands not so much, dumbass me.

[The Reibz]

Z in Westgate?

Affirmative

[Juniper]

Winter gloves a must, I went down to the North Shore last night wearing my summer gloves (as you do in winter) well it was lovely when I left. Really noticed the cold on the way back :cold: body good/hands not so much, dumbass me.

So it's the game of how many layers can Juniper wear whilst maintaining movement of the limbs?

WADDLE TIME!

[Danzano]

I'll be here I mean there lol see you guys soon hopefully a few people show up tonight :-D

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[p.dath]

I'm looking forward to tonight people. See you all there.

[The Reibz]

Appologies chaps. Can't make it tonight. Got work... Arse...

[Juniper]

Appologies chaps. Can't make it tonight. Got work... Arse...

But but but I was going to ask you about wielding

[Juniper]

Hopefully meet you guys at the Carpark. Not at Z though sorry.

[Danzano]

My shift goes till 7 so will probably have to meet at carpark or skip this week

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[Jezxa]

I'm keen to come for a ride tonight. Its been too long!

[Juniper]

Looks ill see you at z.

[Danzano]

Lucky I know I can't get there on time but I can try catch up or meet at the carpark maybe a little late though

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[The Reibz]

But but but I was going to ask you about wielding

What was the question you had?

[Juniper]

What was the question you had?

You know the rear break peg, is it possible to wield about 1" onto it so sticks out further. Because as is I can't quite touch my toe onto it.

[The Reibz]

LOL. Has it been ground down?
Just move you toe in a little more or stop wearing heels while you are riding.

[Juniper]

LOL. Has it been ground down?
Just move you toe in a little more or stop wearing heels while you are riding.

Haha doubt it!

I'm not wearing heels! I've got my SportsTour TCX on. I could almost reach it in my heels!!!
I can just get it but then my ankle is twisted round.

If in doubt Duct Tape!

[Juniper]

The entire way to work this morning was "relax the elbows, relax the elbows"

[Danzano]

Right who is coming tonight then aye?

Sent from whatever Danzano was using at the time :-D

[Juniper]

Meet you in car park. Not at Z.

[The Reibz]

I will be there. Will have to take a break from the fabrication

[DanielM8]

New guy... will see you all at the car park tonight for a bit of practice and mingling.

[Danzano]

Sweet been meaning to have a chat with you Reibz fabrication wise :-)

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[The Reibz]

Chur, if the weather holds out I will be there. Aint keen for a cold right now.
My manifold is coming along nice, hopefully will have it all tacked up and ready to by the end of today. Got some 8mm stainless, god that shit is heavy

[Danzano]

Sweet still looking forward to the result also need to ask you something about that turbo :-) but yeah had some questions regarding my exhaust to that I wanted to pick your brain about

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[The Reibz]

Hahaha no worries man, will see you tonight weather permitting

[p.dath]

I'll be along. See everyone tonight.

[Juniper]

But but but I'm going to fall off!!

Lesson learnt Sir, do not polish bike to make it look purdy lol.

Had funs!!


Ouch my bike is loud without my earplugs in.

[Juniper]

I'll be along. See everyone tonight.

I'm trying to do what you said, is it meant to hurt so much????

[p.dath]

I'm trying to do what you said, is it meant to hurt so much????

What are you doing that is actually hurting?

[Juniper]

What are you doing that is actually hurting?

Feet on the pegs back a bit more. Sitting back in seat a bit more. Relax arms and hold on with knees. Absloutly great as my open riding and cornering has greatly improved, but damn my middle and lower back and legs lol.

[Maha]

Feet on the pegs back a bit more. Sitting back in seat a bit more. Relax arms and hold on with knees. Absloutly great as my open riding and cornering has greatly improved, but damn my middle and lower back and legs lol.

What works for others is not necessarily the correct method for all, find your own comfort zone.

[Juniper]

What works for others is not necessarily the correct method for all, find your own comfort zone.

It's improved my riding and cornering heaps. And watched "Twist of the Wrist ll" which though confused me has helped a lot. I think my body just needs to catch up lol. It's only used to the comfy positions of the car and couch!!

Having the L's Angels ride is giving me a target to train towards. I don't want to be the slow or panicking one!!

I is getting better!!

[Maha]

It's improved my riding and cornering heaps. And watched "Twist of the Wrist ll" which though confused me has helped a lot. I think my body just needs to catch up lol. It's only used to the comfy positions of the car and couch!!

Having the L's Angels ride is giving me a target to train towards. I don't want to be the slow or panicking one!!

I is getting better!!

You wont be either (after 15 minutes) the settling in period when riding within a group is over pretty quick.
On our northland ride last November, an noob ended up leading the ride at one stage...:blink: not sure how that happened, when I had caught up and saw what was going on, I did wonder when a more experienced rider was going to get in front, eventually it happened, but I must say that Tara was doing good out in front, nice and constant. She was shitting when I asked her about it. I was about seven bikes back so unable to do anything from there.

Short of it all is, you'll be fine, you will learn a lot over the two days.

[The Reibz]

So whos coming tonight?

[p.dath]

Feet on the pegs back a bit more. Sitting back in seat a bit more. Relax arms and hold on with knees. Absloutly great as my open riding and cornering has greatly improved, but damn my middle and lower back and legs lol.

I'll show you an exercise to do at home, if you come along tonight. You may just need a touch more core strength in your body.

[p.dath]

So whos coming tonight?

Had to start at 5:30am today, but I should be along.

[Juniper]

I'll show you an exercise to do at home, if you come along tonight. You may just need a touch more core strength in your body.

I'm coming tonight.

Looks like the kids are coming too!!

Riding is fun and gets me fit. What more could a woman want !! Next it will cause weight loss.

[G-Mak]

i will be along.

[DanielM8]

I'm coming tonight.

Looks like the kids are coming too!!

Riding is fun and gets me fit. What more could a woman want !! Next it will cause weight loss.

Yep, I'm coming and bringing 2 others.. fun!

[The Reibz]

Phil you ain't going lead rider tonight either... hahaha

[Danzano]

Lol see you guys tonight :-)

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[DanielM8]

I had fun tonight & it was nice to meet you all. I'll definitely be a long next week. P.S Thanks Phil for sharing your knowledge and the free lessons!

[The Reibz]

Good turn out last night. Good to see all you guys on your L's taking advantage of free training offered by Phil. Stick with it, I wish I knew about this ride when I started riding.

[Easi]

Thanks Phil and everyone else. Today in traffic I was using the technique we learned. Looking forward to next week. :)

[p.dath]

Thanks Phil and everyone else. Today in traffic I was using the technique we learned. Looking forward to next week. :)

Yep, that is a perfect place to use it.


Juniper, are is that physical exercise going that I showed you? Try and do it every day ... it only takes 1 to 2 minutes.

[Juniper]

Yep, that is a perfect place to use it.


Juniper, are is that physical exercise going that I showed you? Try and do it every day ... it only takes 1 to 2 minutes.

I

Hate

You

Ouch


Thank you

This
Better
Work

Grrrrr

Ouch

[DanielM8]

I

Hate

You

Ouch


Thank you

This
Better
Work

Grrrrr

Ouch

A little cleaner than the language you promised...


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[DanielM8]

See you all tonight!


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[p.dath]

See you all tonight!


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I should be along. Can someone bring along some chalk for the main ride?

[Juniper]

I should be along. Can someone bring along some chalk for the main ride?

Chalk??? Why chalk?

[p.dath]

Chalk??? Why chalk?

To measure how much lean angle is being used, compared to how much your brain thinks is being used. Only for the ride, not the car park.

[Maha]

Chalk??? Why chalk?

Ever seen Phil play Hop Scotch before?

[Juniper]

Ever seen Phil play Hop Scotch before?

I would bring some just for that!!


To measure how much lean angle is being used, compared to how much your brain thinks is being used. Only for the ride, not the car park.

Awwww. Hmm. Well I can listen to what you guys say when you get in and then try it at home.

Ps my body dislikes you lol. But it seems to be working.

[The Reibz]

Late Appologies for not attending to night guys. Been up in the bush all week harrassing one of the command courses. One of the perks of the new position, good to be back in the fresh air again and wasting lots of the queens ammunition...

[Juniper]

I should be along. Can someone bring along some chalk for the main ride?

You'll be so proud of me!! I used my back brake to slow and stabilise myself on the harbour bridge!!

[p.dath]

You'll be so proud of me!! I used my back brake to slow and stabilise myself on the harbour bridge!!

The effort you are making is all starting to pay off! You'll be surprised how many people never use their rear brake at all.


I should be along tonight.

[Juniper]

The effort you are making is all starting to pay off! You'll be surprised how many people never use their rear brake at all.


I should be along tonight.

I'm even cleaning my chain today........ I honestly didn't know it wasn't meant to be black!!!! My arm hurts!! I like it.

[The Reibz]

Good Weather so I will be there tonight. No burnouts though...

[Glowerss]

Good night for a ride! Was a good bit of carpark practice too. Had to bail on the bar, start work at 10pm these days :no: Hopefully weathers good for next week too:niceone:

[The Reibz]

You didn't drop a burnout last night Phil. I was disapointed...

[p.dath]

You didn't drop a burnout last night Phil. I was disapointed...

I don't like separating with cash. :)

[The Reibz]

If this weather keeps up I def won't be showing up tonight. Metservice says it won't be getting any better...

[DanielM8]

Anybody meeting at the pub tonight for a drink and a chat regardless?

[Juniper]

Rain doesn't bother me. I'm kinda getting used to it.

[p.dath]

Anybody meeting at the pub tonight for a drink and a chat regardless?

I'll be along.

[DanielM8]

forget this weather, see you all next week!!

[p.dath]

I'll be along.

I change my mind. I'm not in the mood. Will be along next week.

[Juniper]

We had fun.

Straight to the bar that was.......... very wet lol.

I'm starting to like riding in the rain.

[DanielM8]

We had fun.

Straight to the bar that was.......... very wet lol.

I'm starting to like riding in the rain.

You crazy kids!! Try riding in the rain in jeans and Nike runners though, the water goes straight through! That's why Friday's downpour was so much fun for me lol

[p.dath]

...Try riding in the rain in jeans and Nike runners though, the water goes straight through!...

If the rain goes straight through, imagine what the road surface would do. :)

[DanielM8]

If the rain goes straight through, imagine what the road surface would do. :)

I try not to imagine it.. Heheh... Good riding pants are on the shopping list for next payday!


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[The Reibz]

PM sent. Have a spare pair of pants

[DanielM8]

Who's coming tomorrow? Metservice says "Few showers develop afternoon, rain evening. Northwest." and accuweather says "Occasional rain and drizzle in the evening; otherwise, mostly cloudy"... in any case, I'm coming unless it starts pouring!

[Juniper]

Who's coming tomorrow? Metservice says "Few showers develop afternoon, rain evening. Northwest." and accuweather says "Occasional rain and drizzle in the evening; otherwise, mostly cloudy"... in any case, I'm coming unless it starts pouring!

Eh you know I'll be there. We even went last week!!

[DanielM8]

Eh you know I'll be there. We even went last week!!

I wanted to come last week! But the weather just looked so miserable. Me and Jeremy were like "we're going.. we're going" all day then it come close to the time and we both went "ahh on second thought... no"

[p.dath]

Who's coming tomorrow? Metservice says "Few showers develop afternoon, rain evening. Northwest." and accuweather says "Occasional rain and drizzle in the evening; otherwise, mostly cloudy"... in any case, I'm coming unless it starts pouring!

The weather forecast means nothing in Auckland. I'll be there.

[The Reibz]

Do a wheelie phil...

I will be there, might do a bit of training of my own sometime tonight. Drags on the 8th of September and need to get some launch training in...

Jeremy's bike on the road yet or is he still on the 50?

[DanielM8]

Do a wheelie phil...

I will be there, might do a bit of training of my own sometime tonight. Drags on the 8th of September and need to get some launch training in...

Jeremy's bike on the road yet or is he still on the 50?

It's on the road pretty much. We haven't gotten the clutch adjustment right yet, it seems to slip or only work on the last bit of the lever and we cant find the balance.. But it works.


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[p.dath]

Everyone is very quiet. Who is a along tonight?

[The Reibz]

Due to tonights weather, The Reibz will not be in attendance.

I'm keen on a beer though...

[DanielM8]

Everyone is very quiet. Who is a along tonight?

I'll be having a few drinks at home tonight - too wet!! see you all next week.

[Juniper]

Everyone is very quiet. Who is a along tonight?

I will be!!

So wet weather skills it is??

[G-Mak]

See you guys at the pub

[p.dath]

p.dath has just got home from work. p.dath did not like the cold. p.dath did not like the rain. p.dath is going to stay home tonight.

[Juniper]

Someone come to pub with me!! I'm all alone

[nzmikey]

In regards to a convo a few weeks ago .... : http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/how-abs-works

[The Reibz]

Anyone coming along tonight? Weather may, or may not be arse.
Been 2 weeks since I have rode more than 5km in one trip. Pretty keen...

[Juniper]

Maybe in the car..........

[p.dath]

Anyone coming along tonight? Weather may, or may not be arse.
Been 2 weeks since I have rode more than 5km in one trip. Pretty keen...

I plan to be along, rain or dark.

[DanielM8]

Ill come along. Just to the pub if the weathers shit.


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[The Reibz]

I plan to be along, rain or dark.

Skids in the wet?

[Juniper]

I plan to be along, rain or dark.

Awwww wet riding skills when I don't have my bike. :(

[The Reibz]

Weather is actually looking alright. Might see how it is after training then boost over to the Z.
Phil you are nominated as TEC mate. I will take lead again hahaha

[Juniper]

Bringing Red Dog

[angle]

It looks like the weather might hold out this Wednesday. I will pray to the gods so they may finally let me attend this fine gathering!

[Juniper]

It looks like the weather might hold out this Wednesday. I will pray to the gods so they may finally let me attend this fine gathering!

Hehe that bits at the pub later!! :p

I'm coming 2up

[DanielM8]

It looks like the weather might hold out this Wednesday. I will pray to the gods so they may finally let me attend this fine gathering!

ooo a new person

[p.dath]

It looks like the weather might hold out this Wednesday. I will pray to the gods so they may finally let me attend this fine gathering!

No need to pray. Just come along.

[Juniper]

It looks like the weather might hold out this Wednesday. I will pray to the gods so they may finally let me attend this fine gathering!

Don't forget to sacrifice the virgins.

[angle]

Don't forget to sacrifice the virgins.
Why would I sacrifice such a valuable resource?

[p.dath]

Why would I sacrifice such a valuable resource?

That's like not drinking the last beer in the fridge so you always have something to drink.

[The Reibz]

Might be there tonight. Had to go pick up and US Admiral at 0330 this morning and drop him out to a private jet in Whenuapai. He gave me his personal coin though as he liked my driving.

High speed cornering has picked up dramatically since last week. Cheers for the tips Phil, its getting there

[G-Mak]

Looks like i wont be able to make it to any more NASS sessions - the move to Welly is happening earlier than i thought and time is fast running out.

Great to meet you guys, and thanks for your time and advice Phil.

[p.dath]

Might be there tonight. Had to go pick up and US Admiral at 0330 this morning and drop him out to a private jet in Whenuapai. He gave me his personal coin though as he liked my driving.

High speed cornering has picked up dramatically since last week. Cheers for the tips Phil, its getting there

Next time you come along I want you to ride behind me so we can get the cornering lines cemented into your brain.

[p.dath]

Looks like i wont be able to make it to any more NASS sessions - the move to Welly is happening earlier than i thought and time is fast running out.

Great to meet you guys, and thanks for your time and advice Phil.

That's a shame, it's been great having you along. Hopefully Wellington will work out a bit better for you.

[Juniper]

Why would I sacrifice such a valuable resource?

No one likes a noob lol.

I hear though that they will take 2 chickens and a goat. But you have to do the dance or well get bad weather for a month and your bike will break down.

[angle]

No one likes a noob lol.

I hear though that they will take 2 chickens and a goat. But you have to do the dance or well get bad weather for a month and your bike will break down.


Well, it's the first time in quite a while I've been called a noob... It feels good (refreshing almost)!
What sort of gods do you worship!? My relationship with the higher deities is based on mutual understanding and respect :)

[Juniper]

Well, it's the first time in quite a while I've been called a noob... It feels good (refreshing almost)!
What sort of gods do you worship!? My relationship with the higher deities is based on mutual understanding and respect :)

I meant in relation to virgins being a valuable resource lol.

Me? All of them. (Thats a really really long discussion!!)

[The Reibz]

Looks like i wont be able to make it to any more NASS sessions - the move to Welly is happening earlier than i thought and time is fast running out.

Great to meet you guys, and thanks for your time and advice Phil.

Good luck down there George. Was always a pleasure riding with you.
Sorry I didn't make it last night. Was way to tied and a bit sunburnt from being out in the sun all day

[angle]

Well, it looks like it's not that simple to take the seat off a CBR600F3 after all:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_remove_the_seat_from_a_cbr_600_f3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDWQHdWudvE

Whoever it was on the GSX600F yesterday, I've a really good Haynes maintenance manual for this bike (and associated GSX models) if you need one.

[Juniper]

Clutchless shifting up- sweet

Blipping on the other hand is not as easy as it sounds. I did a few successful on my way to work this morning.

Ooo cheers for that Angel I'll get Brian to check in here.

[GravelRashKid]

Whoever it was on the GSX600F yesterday, I've a really good Haynes maintenance manual for this bike (and associated GSX models) if you need one.

Hi Angel, that was me (Brian). Awesome, if I could borrow your Haynes manual that would be great thanks. I'll be at the next NASS event (more low speed training required lol).

[Maha]

Clutchless shifting up- sweet

Blipping on the other hand is not as easy as it sounds. I did a few successful on my way to work this morning.



...and not necessary, only for effect. Same effect can be had by clutchless shifting down, which is so piss easy that it's almost a natural thing to do.
Another thing that makes me smirk is that slalom carry on that some do, thinking they are warmer the tyres up, when most would agree, its done because of boredom.

[Juniper]

...and not necessary, only for effect. Same effect can be had by clutchless shifting down, which is so piss easy that it's almost a natural thing to do.
Another thing that makes me smirk is that slalom carry on that some do, thinking they are warmer the tyres up, when most would agree, its done because of boredom.

Yes Phil has explained why it doesn't work to warm up tires. Tbh yeah I do it to practice counter steering or 1 handed. Or just cause I'm bored lol

[p.dath]

Well, it looks like it's not that simple to take the seat off a CBR600F3 after all:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_remove_the_seat_from_a_cbr_600_f3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDWQHdWudvE

Whoever it was on the GSX600F yesterday, I've a really good Haynes maintenance manual for this bike (and associated GSX models) if you need one.

Well, that does make the seat difficult to take off!

[p.dath]

For those with recently acquired CBR600F3's wondering about suspension adjustments, check out this guide:
http://www.gostar-racing.com/information/motorcycle_suspension_set-up.htm

Special Note: The PDF version has an error to do with sag measurement. Only use the HTML web site version.

[Maha]

Yes Phil has explained why it doesn't work to warm up tires. Tbh yeah I do it to practice counter steering or 1 handed. Or just cause I'm bored lol

That's what tyre warmers are for, there is not enough rubber connecting to the road to have any effect, unlike F1/V8 Supercars where they use the technique to great effect. Motorcycle tyres warm up by going around and around :cool:

Counter steering happens naturally, it is simple geometry. Some firmly believe they are making it happen, as long as they make a 'conscious' effort to lightly pressure the inside bar whilst cornering, then maybe they are.
Legs and or arse can aid a bike to corner with ease.

[p.dath]

That's what tyre warmers are for, there is not enough rubber connecting to the road to have any effect, unlike F1/V8 Supercars where they use the technique to great effect. Motorcycle tyres warm up by going around and around :cool:

Tyre warmers are used on track tyres because track tyres are typically design to operate from 65 degrees Celsius and up and don't work effectively below this temperature. Additionally you don't want your tyres cooling off between sessions, and using up a heat cycle. Tyres designed for the road have more typical operating ranges starting at 30 degrees Celsius, and hence don't require the assistance of tyre warmers.

The majority of motorcycle tyres are constructed radially. As a result weaving wont warm them up. Breaking and accelerating will warm them up. They need the force applied in the direction of travel.

The amount of tyre touching the road has little to do with the tyre temperature. Tyre flex is what causes the majority of the eating effect. Hence the need for breaking and accelerating to heat the tyre.


Counter steering happens naturally, it is simple geometry. Some firmly believe they are making it happen, as long as they make a 'conscious' effort to lightly pressure the inside bar whilst cornering, then maybe they are.
Legs and or arse can aid a bike to corner with easy.

Sure counter steering happens naturally when everything is working how your brain is expecting. This approach doesn't work when your brain is confronted with a new situation. It's just the way the human brain is built, and we can't change it.
When you are required to think for yourself you can't access those pre-stored "automatic" reactions. And if you don't know how to consciously counter-steer you won't.

Even the simple act of wanting to turning in tighter may not be able to be served by our sub-conscious brain if it hasn't learned this ability yet, and if that is the case, only the conscious brain will be able to respond.

[Maha]

We had a young chap on a learner ride once that had heard about this slalom tyre warming bullshit...he had to pick his bike up off the road 100mts after leaving the lunch break, you may know him Phil, he had GSX250 back then and had been riding about 4 months.

[angle]

Clutchless shifting up- sweet

Blipping on the other hand is not as easy as it sounds. I did a few successful on my way to work this morning.

Ooo cheers for that Angel I'll get Brian to check in here.

"Angel"?! Well, that's not the worst nickname I've had. I might actually take a liking to it, unless of course, you're dyslexic (in which case I apologise in advance).

'Blipping' is quite simple, most people don't even realise that they're doing it. If you are riding at 60km/h and need to stop at a stop sign 100m away, deciding to deccelerate by changing down (from fourth to first/neutral) you will 'blip' automatically in order to keep the bike running smoothly. So if in such cases you deccelerate smoothly, keep the bike in full control and within normal operating limits, you're doing it right.


...and not necessary, only for effect....

Depends on your riding style. Quite a few riders (i.e. performance oriented L4 riders) prefer this technique when accelerating out of corners. I personally use the clutch for all gear shifts, but than again, I don't often have to change down when entering corners.


Hi Angel, that was me (Brian). Awesome, if I could borrow your Haynes manual that would be great thanks. I'll be at the next NASS event (more low speed training required lol).

Brian, you can have the manual. I'll take it with me next time I come along.

[Juniper]

"Angel"?! Well, that's not the worst nickname I've had. I might actually take a liking to it, unless of course, you're dyslexic (in which case I apologise in advance).

'Blipping' is quite simple, most people don't even realise that they're doing it. If you are riding at 60km/h and need to stop at a stop sign 100m away, deciding to deccelerate by changing down (from fourth to first/neutral) you will 'blip' automatically in order to keep the bike running smoothly. So if in such cases you deccelerate smoothly, keep the bike in full control and within normal operating limits, you're doing it right.
.

Oh shoot, sorry!! Um just a little, auto correct usually fixes most things for me. But Angel could suit you. Why do they have to make the word dyslexic so difficult to look at!

I have come to the conclusion to not try it on purpose in the wet. What I was doing before (which as you describe I may already be doing it to a degree) works fine while riding in wet at night. bumpity bumpity locking up is not overly fun. May also be because I tried it from 2nd-1st?

[nerrrd]

...and not necessary, only for effect. Same effect can be had by clutchless shifting down, which is so piss easy that it's almost a natural thing to do.

Blipping is the only way I've found to smooth out the downshifts (with clutch) on my tractor, otherwise it feels like I'm clunking gears. Don't always get it right, though, not much comes naturally.

Saw the inside of a gearbox for the first time on the weekend, didn't really understand exactly what was going on but he too said the clutch wasn't really necessary for changes.

[The End]

We had a young chap on a learner ride once that had heard about this slalom tyre warming bullshit...he had to pick his bike up off the road 100mts after leaving the lunch break, you may know him Phil, he had GSX250 back then and had been riding about 4 months.

I remember this, I wonder how warm the tyres got in that 100m though... Silly silly...:laugh:

[p.dath]

Who would have thought that the method to change gears would provoke so many [good] comments.

[Maha]

Sure counter steering happens naturally when everything is working how your brain is expecting. This approach doesn't work when your brain is confronted with a new situation. It's just the way the human brain is built, and we can't change it.
When you are required to think for yourself you can't access those pre-stored "automatic" reactions. And if you don't know how to consciously counter-steer you won't.

Even the simple act of wanting to turning in tighter may not be able to be served by our sub-conscious brain if it hasn't learned this ability yet, and if that is the case, only the conscious brain will be able to respond.

When you lean into a corner, physics dictates that the leading arm/wrist/elbow combo will apply pressure to that bar, causing the front wheel to counter steer, it is not a conscious (sub or otherwise) decision.

[DanielM8]

When you lean into a corner, physics dictates that the leading arm/wrist/elbow combo will apply pressure to that bar, causing the front wheel to counter steer, it is not a conscious (sub or otherwise) decision.

I don't want to argue what you're saying, as you know a lot more than me, but after the counter-steering lesson at NASS, I began trying it on every ride i go on to try and understand it. You're right, it does happen naturally, however it's given me a lot more control being able to ALSO consciously apply counter steering, which I know would help me if I had to swerve around something (e.g a dog) at high speed.

[Maha]

I don't want to argue what you're saying, as you know a lot more than me, but after the counter-steering lesson at NASS, I began trying it on every ride i go on to try and understand it. You're right, it does happen naturally, however it's given me a lot more control being able to ALSO consciously apply counter steering, which I know would help me if I had to swerve around something (e.g a dog) at high speed.

Sure, making a conscious decision the weight either bar in a straight line in a car park will give you the sense of belief that it works, and it does, I am not denying that.

This from a posted a thread about 'Bum Steer' in 2008...

''I've been watching and reading all the countersteering threads of late and someone's comment "... if you're getting around corners, then you must be coutersteering, can't be done otherwise ..." has prompted me to post a counter-view on counter-steering.

I believe the countersteer that initiates the turn is a bad substitute for poor body position and technique. Hence "The Bum Steer". A turn that is initiated by loading up the "inside bum cheek" does not need counter steering input. Before the howls of Indignation and Outrage gather volume, I do agree that you can use small countersteering adjustments. I just don't agree that it is the only way to initiatre a turn ... back to The Bum Steer.

Watch the top racers, watch the best of them Casey Stoner. Their bodies are on the inside of the bike before they tip in for the corner. In other words, they have loaded up the inside bum cheek and their weight is on the inside of the bike. They are pushing the bars up to hold the bike straight waiting for the tip in. It is poised like a cat and being help up from falling into the corner. As soon as the tip in point is reached, the arms are relaxed and the bike falls into the corner using the weight of the rider. Power is applied to hold it from falling too far thus getting the power down early and the bike under perfect control for driving out of the turn.

Think about the dynamics of this. The counter-steer is using gyroscopic precession to apply a directional force from the application of opposing forces. Doing so unsettles the bike, you are applying a side-load to the front tyre that doesn't need to be there. The Bum Steer on the other hand is simply letting the bike fall into a position to cut the corner in a totally natural way. All the forces are acting in unision and towards the apex of the corner. If it didn't work, racers wouldn't be using it (watch the MotoGP slow motions to see it in action).

So, how does this apply to the road. Well I've been using the technique for a year and perfected it on my daily runs over Paekakariki Hill Rd - there's not a better test.

On the road it's not about getting off your seat (but I do that too), it's just about leaning your shoulders to the inside just a fraction as you approach the corner. This loads up the inside bum cheek. When you feel the apex has arrived (and with this technique you can go in much deeper) all you have to do is pull the bike down with you. It's fluid, very quick and brilliantly confidence-building.

The counter-steer by its very nature tips the bike into the corner but leaves the rider upright with the outside bum cheek loaded up! This puts the rider's weight in a place where it is trying to stand the bike up while everything else is trying to get around the corner. It just can't be right.

Again, this is not a Ban Countersteering message. I use it all the time for small adjustments and positioning but I truely believe it is a dangerous practice for tipping into corners - there's too much physics working against the natural dynamics of the bike. You can tell the obsessive counter-steerers, they're the ones who look like motorcrossers when you're following them on the road - body upright while they push the bike down in a desperate attempt to carver the corner.''