Instilling a sense of conscience.

[The Stranger:Me]

I am not too sure how you can know the gixxer had right of way without being there and knowing the relevant bike positions when Shrub pulled out.

Ah, I read shrub's posts. Please correct me if I got this wrong, but I gather he was there.

[Katman]

Advocating he read and understand the road code and perform head checks is desperate and pathetic?

You provide tacit support of poor riding and at the expense of your pet speed argument. That is desperate and pathetic.

You're as bad as him.
No one (other than Shrub and you) has a barrow to push. Has anyone said or indicated the gixxer rider is without fault?
The gixxer had right of way, Shrub impinged on that and denies it flat.
He now after about 13 pages thinks he may have done a head check and tried to count helmets and headlights - yeah right.

Steady on Noel, you sound like you're on the verge of a breakdown.

[The Stranger:Me]

Steady on Noel, you sound like you're on the verge of a breakdown.

This is what I do for relaxation Katman.
But I must say though, you are a top bloke - not answering the post out of concern for my health. You're too kind.

[Katman]

But I must say though, you are a top bloke - not answering the post out of concern for my health. You're too kind.

You're welcome.

[bogan]

No, you're writing bullshit here. I was in the right hand side of my lane with my indicator on. He rode THROUGH the group behind me and passed me just as I started to pull out with around half a metre between us. He was less than a metre from the car and on the left hand side of the opposing lane as he passed him.

As for counting headlights - that is patently ridiculous. A group of experienced and competent riders ride in a staggered formation, and if you think about it it is just about impossible to see every light because they are BEHIND each other (and some of them were still going round the corner). If they were ranged across beside each other (impossible on a 2 lane highway) then it would be possible to see all the lights, but only if you were quite a long way ahead. Add to that the fact that there were several Street/Speed Triples with twin headlights, and the task becomes even more ludicrous.

And try counting to 12 in under 1 second (which is really all the time you want to be looking away from the road) - it's physically impossible, even if you did learn to count with Sesame St.

It seems that you desperately want the idiot on the gixxer to be right which leads me to believe that you're either the man concerned or that's how you ride - am I right?

well im going to apply to a post from a couple of pages ago, think it needs to be said. Shrub is the only one who was there, so we can't condemn or condone his actions, or lack of them, well not too harshly anyway.

In every near miss the most important question is not who was to blame, it is what could i have done to avoid that? sometimes the answer may be nothing other than stay home in bed (not an option obviously) but to ask is to learn.

Also, I was once passed by two cages at the same time, when I was in my cage, 3 cars wide going at 100, 110, and bout 130 made for an interesting maneuverer.

[swbarnett]

I am asking people to consider "is travelling at excessive speed and placing other road users at increased risk, morally acceptable?"

"travelling at excessive speed and placing other road users at increased risk" is very subjective. For one thing you do it every time you ride. Who's to say what is "excessive"? The definition depends on who you are, where you are and when you are. The first speeding ticket ever issued was for doing 4 times the speed limit. Sound's excessive to me! The trouble is that the speed limit at the time was 2mph. Doesn't sound so excessive now, does it?

[MarkH]

Ah, I read shrub's posts. Please correct me if I got this wrong, but I gather he was there.

Well, from what I gathered from reading his posts he was saying that the gixxer was in the same lane as him coming up past other bikes and then moved out across the centre line and passed him as he was moving out across the centre line to pass the car. If Shrub was indicating then pulled out and and the gixxer was not indicating and just pulled out to shoot past the indicating bike in front of him then I would suggest the gixxer was at fault. But this is supposition based on what I gathered from what Shrub said - without being there as an independent witness to the whole manoeuvre it is hard to be sure who was where when Shrub pulled out.

[SixPackBack]

It's funny how people attempt to construe words to suit their own purposes.

I have never said "do not exceed 100kph".

I am asking people to consider "is travelling at excessive speed and placing other road users at increased risk, morally acceptable?"

I have never bought into the theory that 100kph is safe while 101kph is unsafe.

Dude you make it up as you go along....

[boomer]

Dude you make it up as you go along....

he's not a full six pence thats for sure...

[Katman]

Dude you make it up as you go along....

Should car drivers be allowed to travel at any speed and in any manner they like?

Should truck drivers be allowed to travel at any speed and in any manner they like?

Or is it only motorcyclists that you think should be allowed to?

[boomer]

Should car drivers be allowed to travel at any speed and in any manner they like?

Should truck drivers be allowed to travel at any speed and in any manner they like?

Or is it only motorcyclists that you think should be allowed to?

What do you think Sherlock? and more importantly what do YOU DO? remembering the law says you shouldn't travel above 100kph EVER !

[SixPackBack]

Should car drivers be allowed to travel at any speed and in any manner they like?

Should truck drivers be allowed to travel at any speed and in any manner they like?

Or is it only motorcyclists that you think should be allowed to?

Most of us are well aware your opinion is the only one that counts.

[Katman]

remembering the law says you shouldn't travel above 100kph EVER !

I'm not talking about what the law says.

I'm talking about what your conscience should say.

Do you have a conscience boomer?

[boomer]

I'm not talking about what the law says.

I'm talking about what your conscience should say.

Do you have a conscience boomer?

If i were near you.. you'd be gone burger.. no second thoughts. Does that answer ya question?

[short-circuit]

Having read the last four pages I noticed that Shrub did say he did a quick over shoulder check and he also mentioned checking his blindspot (as a former truckie). The point he was making about checking helmets was that he was at the front leading a group ride. So the rider of the gixxer approaching with excessive speed may or may not have been one of a number of helmets.

I think he was making a perfectly valid point which was exactly as I observed back in post #29....

Please explain why you red repped me for that post sixpackjack(off) (post#29 that is) - Was that just hardcore Gixxer loyality or were you the grade A pillock in question?