The ACC saga - a new approach.

[MSTRS:Me]

Anyone care to attempt to prove me wrong?

There's a few prepared to put themselves out there. The many look, listen and think "You don't represent what I want, so fuck off" and then continue to do nothing, except grizzle when the next nasty is foisted on us all.

Get used to the new comfort zone, peoples, but don't get too comfortable. For it won't be long...

[Katman]

There will always be a small percentage of motorcyclists who see motorcycling as nothing other than being synonymous with rebellion. While there's no doubt a time and place for rebellion I don't believe that motorcycling deserves the ignominy of being the barrow to push it.

Make no mistake, over the coming years motorcycling will be subject to change - and frankly I believe that motorcycling needs to be subjected to change in order for it to survive and grow.

We can either sit back and do nothing and allowed uninformed and ill-conceived changes to be imposed upon us or we can show ourselves to be a mature, reasoned and integral part of society and grab hold of the initiative before the powers that be set about consigning us to history.

[PrincessBandit]

And so it goes on. I reckon any of tptb who undoubtedly regularly view these threads will be laughing so hard at the kiddies squabbling in the sand pit.

There is proof aplenty on here that we will remain fractured and easily conquerable because there is so little room for negotiation and compromise between us. On the one hand we have people trying to come up with ways in which to halt the erosion of our rights to afford and enjoy riding, on the other we have the "fuck off and stop trying to tell me what I should or could do to help" (as if the government isn't gonna have the final say in that case).

Nick Smith must be laughing all the way to the proverbial. He is counting on the losers (btw, to those "loosers" out there, it only has one o) to be his stalking horse and win the day for him.

[Mom]

Nick Smith must be laughing all the way to the proverbial. He is counting on the losers to be his stalking horse and win the day for him.

I hope he is enjoying a laugh reading this, because it will distract him from the real agenda of a large and growing number of "people" that have had enough. Enough of the sly and underhand way that the government of the day, or any day for that matter, seem to think is acceptable to make changes for the supposed greater good of all, by sleathily eroding a system that is respected and envied around the world. The arrogance of "the man" is staggering, us sheeple will simply roll over and take it time and time again afterall.

Laugh away Minister Myth, there is a storm brewing make no mistake.

[fossil]

That day is closer than you think... in fact its within 6 months by my estimate
Processes are already being put in place to make this a reality... and resume again this coming Monday when i have a formal meeting with ACC personnel

And while ATGATT cannot reduce crashes it certainly CAN reduce injuries, and therefore is a valid point in this whole debate. Also note, (thread title above) as the thread is actually about a 'new approach' to working WITH ACC and not about 'reducing crashes' ATGATT is extremely relevant

I for one would love to see riding in shorts on any two wheeled vehicle powered by a petrol motor made an offence, as should riding with no gloves on... but I will leave that alone for now.

The outcome of your meeting with ACC was?

[Katman]

The outcome of your meeting with ACC was?

You may be waiting a while.

Stoney's sulking.

Had enough of the double standards on here
I will focus on BRONZ issue's from now on and KB can whistle dixie for all I care

See ya all round on the roads...I aint comin back to this website or forum again, I will work on promoting BRONZ and other road safety initiatives I am involved in with TPTB eslewhere

[caseye]

You may be waiting a while.

Stoney's sulking.

Sulking? Stoney! na mate his reply will come soon enough.Come on you lot lets actually try to keep this going straight ahead instead of making it "the crusades"
First prority, getting as big a concensuss as we can.

[DEATH_INC.]

Jesus, once again a fairly sensible and constructive thread has deteriorated in to a bunch of childish name calling and shit.
Back to paying yer rego's/acc, or what will no doubt be soon massive fines for not having one.
As you were kiddies.

[MSTRS:Me]

Jesus, once again a fairly sensible and constructive thread has deteriorated in to a bunch of childish name calling and shit.
Back to paying yer rego's/acc, or what will no doubt be soon massive fines for not having one.
As you were kiddies.

Have to agree with this.
Mind you, expecting concensus and co-operative behaviour from the Me Generation is a hiding to nothing

[Katman]

Jesus, once again a fairly sensible and constructive thread has deteriorated in to a bunch of childish name calling and shit.

That sort of thing seems to follow me around. (And don't call me Jesus - you'll have Flyingcrocodile wanting to erect a cross).

I suppose we could take heart from the fact that of the 40 members who have posted in this thread only 4 seem vehemently opposed to the idea of compromise and working with ACC.

[mashman]

Have to agree with this.
Mind you, expecting concensus and co-operative behaviour from the Me Generation is a hiding to nothing

It's not stopped the govt from doing what they want, irrespective of submissions... could be a way to go

[MSTRS:Me]

Good point. Are you saying that pollies are part of the Me Generation...their actions suggest it is so. They just do what they want, regardless of all 'advice'.

[mashman]

Good point. Are you saying that pollies are part of the Me Generation...their actions suggest it is so. They just do what they want, regardless of all 'advice'.

absolutely... how else would you explain their lack of thought when it comes to doing what's right for the majority, but doing what's right for business instead... personal rewards.

[davereid]

I suppose we could take heart from the fact that of the 40 members who have posted in this thread only 4 seem vehemently opposed to the idea of compromise and working with ACC.

All because you know its going to happen, and you help choose the lube does not mean its not rape....

I appreciate that you honestly believe that bringing in more rules for bikers will protect us from being taxed out of existence.

I am of a more cynical school of thought...

Its my opinion that motorcycles will never be safe.

And so like smoking, drinking, hamburgers and jungle-gyms more than 4 ft tall, Nanny will seek to tax, ban, legislate, and otherwise end the nasty things existence.

Personally, I tell Nanny to get fucked. I'll pay the fine when she catches me. And maybe one day, she will have good enough systems to make me pay her safety levy.

But, until then, I'll spend the money on beer, and other stuffs she hates.

[Katman]

Personally, I tell Nanny to get fucked.

That probably won't phase her too much.

She'll still smile as she takes your toys off you.